Intel Core Ultra 9 285K Review, It's A Mess.... Probably A Flop

[@GamersNexus]

Thanks for the "Thanks, Steve," Steve. Back to you, Steve. Signed, Steve. Edit: Wow, even the video lengths are the same. Steves really do have cross-continental telepathy.

[@WayStedYou]

Steveception

[@valuehunter5544]

Someone get Steve a chair, he's still standing

[@vincentlee7937]

Steeeeeeve

[@mz1929]

Someone time stamp it

[@ALph4cro]

Into the Steveverse

[@omegajvn1]

Takeaways: 1) Steve was standing at the beginning of the video, so I knew this was going to be bad. 2) The 5800X3D is still showing up to be the BEST PC purchase I've ever made. Period. Side note: The fact that the 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU that uses only 58 watts compared to Intels 14900K's 214 is just obscene. That's damn near a quarter of the power while getting better performance......OOF!!

[@NJ-wb1cz]

It's a good thing Intel didn't outbid AMD for consoles this cycle. We could've been stuck with a dud generation

[@gustavoalmeida1579]

AMD: Nobody can make a messier CPU launch than us. Intel: Hold my beer...

[@AshtonCoolman]

Windows 11 is the majority of the problem here. AMD and Intel are both hamstrung by Windows 11. We have to look at Phoronix's Linux testing to see how they should perform...

[@brandonunger1689]

LOL!! That is a good one! I can't believe these launches either! What the hell are they doing? And here I thought the Arrow Lakes were going to be a real threat to AMD..... wow

[@dreadcthulhu6842]

@@AshtonCoolman Just gave Phoronix a quick glance; the Ultra 9 285K is a bit slower than the Ryzen 9900x on the overall average score.

[@szybkacebula3167]

@@dreadcthulhu6842 Good lord.

[@ΠάνοςΒασιλειάδης-ω7φ]

Hold my chips 😂

[@JBrinx18]

Arrow to the Knee Lake, and he's standing for this one

[@ithelp-cm5bi]

The only way is to radically reduce prices. Or Intel will be sold for Qualcomm and the entire management board and accountants will be fired. I don't see any other options. The situation is catastrophic.

[@AgentMetalKid-qj7ym]

🤣

[@user-pi4qo3zc2e]

@@ithelp-cm5bi They use newer and more expensive manufacturing process from TSMC than AMD does. Intel cannot win a price war without selling at a loss.

[@Recycled]

Whateverlake

[@ithelp-cm5bi]

@@user-pi4qo3zc2e What does that matter to me as a potential customer? Intel has to deliver a good product so I'll be willing to buy it. If they're paying TSMC a lot, then they should cut their margin. I'm not a charity that's going to whine about corporate costs. The current price-to-performance ratio is absolutely unacceptable. Period.

[@elu5ive]

AMD: trying to reinvent the wheel and ending up with Zen 5% Intel: "hold my beer and watch my negative gains"

[@PineyJustice]

zen 5 absolutely crushes zen 4 in non gaming tasks though, in linux it's 20% faster on average. While windows latest update made things better, it's still quite a ways behind linux for performance and there are still issues.

[@ΠάνοςΒασιλειάδης-ω7φ]

@@elu5ive How sweet! That is the meaning of bromance! 👉When one rises, the red team helps the blue team rise. On the other hand when some of them fails dramatically the other fails too so they don't stay behind! How sweeeeet!!! 😍😍😍 Ps. No, it is NOT sweet, that is just the phenomenon of oligopoly and the lack of competition!! 😡

[@rattlehead999]

@@PineyJustice Zen5 beats Zen4 in some specific server tasks, it doesn't beat it by more than 3-8% in rendering, compiling, zipping, etc. Only datacenter tasks. By up to 50% btw, not 20%.

[@markhackett2302]

@@rattlehead999 But it DOES beat it, not by "enough". And what counts as "enough" is "Whatever makes AMD not enough". Meanwhile, Intel fails (worse) but not a peep....

[@Captaine_Crunche]

@@PineyJusticeidc about that I need gaming perf

[@jeffreypaul9428]

Intel - Watch what happens when WE use TSMC! oh, nm.

[@darreno1450]

😂

[@tyr8338]

Damn, it`s slower then Ryzen 5800x3d. The legend still lives!

[@1Grainer1]

*insert gigachad meme*

[@Aeis77]

@@tyr8338 yeah, the world revolves around gaming performance. Surely there are no more important tasks a computer does

[@Foukez]

And it cost triple!

[@zam1007]

​@@Aeis77tasks yes, important no. 😂

[@hoodcate]

God forbid someone uses a computer for something productive! ​@@Aeis77

[@nipa5961]

I was joking when I said the 5800X3D would tie Arrow Lake in gaming. Well, here we go... And the 7800X3D is 20% ahead at half the power draw...

[@charizard6969]

Yeah.. No competition unfortunately, amd is going ro slack off now bc intel suucks

[@TheDude50447]

@@charizard6969 You think? With Arm pushing into the market and Intel still being close in performance AMD cant really slack off atm. Like their x3d chips have a decent lead but thats just extra cache and nothing to do with the actual cpu cores. Anyone could implement that within a generation.

[@DCS.1-1]

That CPU is never going to die. AMD may as well start making a 5900x3d in one chiplet at this point. 🤣

[@tubaeseries5705]

@@TheDude50447 Anyone could implement that within a generation? yeah no, apple in their first M series processors had issues with, like everything, they didn't put 8gb of ram in almost all laptops just because its enough, their architecture couldn't handle more, there were also issues with PCIE connectivity and so on, it's not an easy feat to engineer these systems, that's why ARM won't really get popular outside of systems on a chip, not soon at least

[@Traumatree]

@@DCS.1-1 I'd love to have a single 16-core CCD 5950X for AM4 and 3D-vcache on it.

[@kerotomas1]

Slower than 14th gen and still not even close to Ryzen's efficiency. Clown hats on.

[@Rasenmaehermann89]

from what I had red, this was their desgn goal. performance parity with 14th gen + large efficiency gains.

[@Bot-on-Tapwater]

*read ​@@Rasenmaehermann89

[@kerotomas1]

@@Rasenmaehermann89 well they failed, it’s slower not on par overall and the efficiency gains are only meaningful in full all core load other than that it’s pretty negligible

[@NJ-wb1cz]

​​@@Rasenmaehermann89 No one makes a "goal" to make a slower CPU than your own, and much slower than competition. It's the spin your marketing guys decide to settle on when they realize they can't possibly massage this turd into any sort of desirable form. "We totally intended a downgrade! Also instead of looking at this real CPU, please imagine some non existent CPUs in a year or 2 or 5 that are actually great!"

[@vickie_g]

Zen 5% seems very competent now. Intel closed the node gap & still couldn't reach AMD.

[@LegendaryPhenom]

9800X3D going whip the floor with the new intel gen, even by being better by 5% haha.

[@chriswright8074]

Zen 5 was designed for servers if you watch any epyc benchmark

[@solidsnake5051]

@@LegendaryPhenom them phasing out the 7800X3D supposedly means that this will just take it's place. Could be a good spot to get one 7800X3D for quite cheap next black friday though.

[@Jojo_Tolentino]

With the new architecture seeing improvements especially on AVX512 and pipelines to accommodate it, AMD really does focus on chasing the datacenter market. It's better to wait for 2026 or 2027 where the next zen architecture would be used for the next console generation, seeing actual improvements for gaming.

[@Definedd]

zen 5 isnt even a bad product it was just underwhelming in gaming for the price, but its productivity is great. hopefully prices keep coming down.

[@anonnomnom3282]

Steve is a trooper, still standing even though he took an arrow to his Knee Lake

[@NJ-wb1cz]

I used to stand like him before I took a knee to my Ball Lake

[@Dazzxp]

Intel has now decided to glue their CPU's together now, how ironic...

[@PT-rg2vo]

Used to glue them with Core Quad series but hypocrisy is a b1tch.

[@mikem9536]

@@PT-rg2vo They glued the Pentium D together.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Seems when it comes to silicon, glue is more effective than a more monolithic wafer.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

@@mikem9536 At least the Core 2 series had them able to _talk_ to each other. The Pentium D had to have both chips talk to each other, through the front side bus. So the northbridge/memory controller had to perform double/triple duty to make multitasking viable.

[@jonathanwilliams5329]

@@ZeroHourProductions407 I thought all the Core 2 quads used the FSB for die to die coms.

[@RobertleeEtn]

oh no Steve is standing

[@sj1547]

😂

[@mikem9536]

Another Windows update to help intel this time?

[@undergrounder]

Is this cannon? 🤣

[@Navi23Gamer]

Intel trying hard to compete with AMD for the most disappointing cpu line-up of 2024

[@chriswright8074]

Again zen 5 is decent

[@hungnguyenBánhMìBùKhu2612]

@@chriswright8074 zen 5%*

[@dotjaz]

They won

[@dotjaz]

​​@@hungnguyenBánhMìBùKhu2612 only for gaming. 9900X is faster than 7950X for me. That's Zen 30%+.

[@RXC13]

Nah, intel won the disappointment crown by a huge margin.

[@Avarent01]

The 5800X3D still being competitive after 3 generations, nice.

[@bwellington3001]

As it should be. Best CPU's should stay competetive for at least 5 years in my opinion, i will probably hold on to it until AM5 end of life.

[@mikem9536]

This is only because the new gens are incredibly bad in performance uplift, but good for the consumer, might as well keep looking for bargains on older gen stuff.

[@jackealmonistar251]

7800x3d is far better

[@JAnx01]

*2 generations later and it's only a 2 year old CPU.

[@juno1597]

Hail to the King baby.

[@theyoungjawn]

Intel warned us it was going to be bad, but damn….some of these results are downright shameful in gaming.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

thats one thing, and true, but this is different demand by others, i dont have anything to say abt it, to clarify

[@Vincent-bw8vv]

Holy Shit, what an absolute flop for gaming. And the 7800x3d is absolutely crushing fucking everything...😮

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

I mean all zen cpus got like a 9% FREE UPLIFT AFTER THE WINDOWS UPDATE

[@markhackett2302]

Then again, since it is entirely likely that you will get only this chipset for one CPU series, ANY gamer should skip it anyway, making it moot, and only data customers that require a new architecture should apply, and that would be mostly servers, no gamers. This is released to market "for gamers" ONLY to sell new CPUs (and hence boards) for Dell et al, who could just sell more 12thGen instead but want "new hotness" to make people pay them, not actual work selling a 12th or 13th gen "old Intel" to people.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

It's a flop for basically everything. Except maybe you want that AI chip for some reason?... Which is inccomparably worse than Nvidia videocards.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

​@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Linux benchmarks for 285 are already in, and it still flops there as well, just to a slightly lesser degree. Still nowhere near Zen 5 gains. So no evidence of Zen 5 type of improvement on Windows in the future.

[@letssmiletogether5463]

​@@NJ-wb1cz Which distro, Arch or Debian based? and it's also depends on the Desktop Environment

[@ebenezer8058]

7800x3d Supremacy showcase

[@rust2156]

It will soon be dethroned

[@RafitoOoO]

​@@rust2156by its successor, so it's more of a pass of the torch than dethroning.

[@TotalXPvideos]

@@rust2156 I mean, will it? Or will it "dethrone" by 5%?

[@tringuyen7519]

@@TotalXPvideosDepends on the game. Leaks show that 9800X3D offers 5 to 13% increase in performance over 7800X3D.

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

@@ebenezer8058 Wrong. It will pass its inheritance, but not to 9800X3D, but to 9950X3D.

[@Dexion845]

lol they freakin titled it arrow in the knee lake.😂😂😂 You guys are awesome.

[@ThunderingRoar]

Imagine if Microsoft actually spent some resources making windows optimzed and run well instead of countless AI/Copilot/Recall features that no one asked for

[@phillgizmo8934]

I've imagined, nothing changed, now what?

[@Shane-Phillips]

They did, a most recent Zen processors got quite a big performance uplift on 24H2. It also helped Intel in a couple of places.

[@apricotmadness4850]

Say it louder for the people in the back!

[@ThunderingRoar]

​@@Shane-PhillipsAnd it took them how long? And now compare that to the resources they ve dumped into the Snapdragon Arm windows project which is pretty much a flop

[@Shane-Phillips]

Do enjoy a good goalpost shift. Computing on ARM isn't going away, why wouldn't they try and get in on that market?

[@samiyanes1598]

I upgraded a month ago from i7 9700f to 7800x3d and feel proud of the decision form my "mainly" gaming pc 😊

[@arthurion]

Lol, and why do you need such a powerful processor for the old woman 1660 SUPER?

[@samiyanes1598]

@@arthurion i got a 4070 🤔

[@aggies11]

Kudos to Steve for spending the effort to find and test cpu demanding parts of games. This is the data we come to HUB for.

[@singular9]

If you cant buy 13th/14th gen because they blow up, and you can't buy amd 7000 because its out of stock, then this makes the recent prices drops to ryzen 9000 look AMAZING

[@tringuyen7519]

Yes, with the price drop & updated BIOS, AMD 9000 CPUs are a steal compared to ARL. If you’re staying with Intel, find a 12900k & revel with the last decent CPU that Intel ever had!

[@mikem9536]

@@tringuyen7519 My 12700kf is doing fine, and you can pick them up cheap. (mine even has avx-512)

[@antiwokehuman]

@@tringuyen7519sad, but facts

[@ommaraftab594]

Ultra Processors, ULTRA PERFORMANC.... Wait

[@Herr_Affe]

16x the detail.

[@Matticitt]

@@Herr_Affe "it just works" 😂

[@valentinvas6454]

So it seems to perform really well with Starfield's ancient engine that was mostly designed in the low core count eras but it completely falls apart in multi core heavy games like Cyberpunk or Homeworld.

[@dreadcthulhu6842]

Waste of good TSMC N3 wafers; imagine if those same wafers were being used to make die-shrunk Zen 5 chips.

[@lharsay]

AMD is using 3nm for the 16 core Zen 5C chiplets on their new 192 core Epyc chips.

[@lharsay]

And there are also Apple and MediaTek on 3nm both beating Intel and AMD in GeekBench single core performance.

[@dreadcthulhu6842]

@@lharsay They are indeed, and those Epycs are really good, which is why it is a shame TSMC wafers are being used for these Arrow to the knee Lake chips and not more Zen 5 ones.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

​@@lharsay You can't just compare completely different architectures like that. You have to use the same real apps that you will be using on both.

[@Saurion1]

It's like Intel only cares about topping cinebench performance charts. Kind of an odd hill to die on, considering it doesn't translate to performance anywhere else. What a stupid thing to do.

[@Hugh_I]

Esp. hilarious if you remember how Intel did their whole ridiculous "real world benchmarks!" marketing schtick when zen2's vastly higher core count crushed them in MT benchmarks with cinebench in particular.

[@windfire5380]

I love my 7950X3D. What an amazing blend of good productivity performance (Handbrake, etc) and gaming. The 9950X3D would only be superior if it has cache on all the CCDs, eliminating the one concern with messing up the core parking on 7950X3D (no issues so far on that BTW).

[@arthurion]

Yes, and you can also disable half the cores to make it the same as the 7800X3D.

[@HoretzYT]

9900X3D and 9950X3D will have 3DV cache on both CCDs, im waiting what AMD brings up with these two

[@NJ-wb1cz]

The likes of handbrake are likely to benefit massively from AVX in the near future, and on Linux encoding can be up to 20% faster even without it already. I'm pretty sure the people stuck on Windows will realize in a year or so that Zen 5 was actually an excellent cpu once the optimizations in apps start rolling in

[@ramonzaions7522]

OMG... HE IS STANDING!

[@ivanbrasla]

is*

[@ramonzaions7522]

@@ivanbrasla THANKS S2

[@ryujinshimada]

yay zen5% and intel core ultra 9 -2.85%!!!

[@CRF250R1521]

with a large gain in efficiency are you stupid? probably not an engineer lmao

[@solidsnake5051]

AMD: we got at least a little bit of moar performance! Intel: You guys got more performance???

[@chriswright8074]

​@@solidsnake5051zen 5 was built for servers

[@auritro3903]

More like Intel Core Ultra -5%

[@arizona_anime_fan]

it's a lot more then -2.85%... closer to -10%-15%

[@SeekerOfTux]

They didnt even manage to bring down the power consumption by a significant amount, which paired with good pricing could've at least made for a compelling alternative. But since they didnt, this CPU is basically DOA, especially since consumer trust has been completely eroded thanks to the issues with 13th and 14th gen.

[@Ivan-pr7ku]

"Core Ultra 9 285" as if the marketing team was paraded naked under a gun barrel, until they came with this.

[@Herr_Affe]

More loose numbers = more better.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

With that Ultra in there looks to be a lower model than Core 2

[@CossackHD]

Intel when 5800X3D releases: "Those chips are a trouble. We should make note of it moving forward." [a few years and release of 7800X3D later] "We've closed the gap between us and X3D. Wait, that's the wrong X3D!"

[@lharsay]

The i9 12900K was on the market for 6 months when the 5800X3D was released and the i9 was winning at the time on average.

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

​@@lharsaytrue but the windows update boosts performance by like 10%

[@antiwokehuman]

@@lharsayit was a new technology and the architecture has since then aged really well

[@dave_r]

Congrats to Balin on his performance in the Manscaper ad spot - he looks as though he's a pro at it.

[@SugarDad]

Waste of sand basically

[@wololo10]

☝👏👏👏👏

[@balajig1261]

👌👌👌🤣🤣🤣

[@mungojerrie86]

Not if you're big about setting world records in Cinebench, I guess.

[@EmuQuest]

Kids in africa could've eaten that sand

[@arthurion]

There are more grains of sand on planet Earth than stars in the sky! And you're feeling sorry, really?

[@asysjr]

I used to be a benchmarker like you...

[@zam1007]

.. But I took an arrow to the knee..🤣🤣

[@Artanis5]

So arrow lake -2.85% was too optimistic?

[@WayStedYou]

Minus 20 percent cyberpunk 2077. Amazin'

[@nipa5961]

Intel wasn't so honest afterall.

[@aos32]

-20% in some cases is catastrophically bad. It really has to be some issue causing this.

[@DesRabe]

well but more power efficient, still worse than Amd 3DVcache Cpus

[@NJ-wb1cz]

​@@aos32 There isn't. That's the saddest part, it's not a bug. They revamped the entire CPU around chiplets, and this is simply how they perform. We should've expected wild swings, problem is there are no positive positive swings. It's just worse

[@LordApophis100]

Used to be you bought Intel with a premium for the stable platform and AMD for the value… how the tables have turned.

[@szabolcsnyiraty]

Now value, performance and stability is on AMD's side.

[@haukionkannel]

Not much… AMD still offer better value…

[@EmuQuest]

AMD for value, stability, efficiency and performance and intel if you want a room heater

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Intel has an AI chip and color blue is objectively better than red

[@LordApophis100]

@@NJ-wb1cz Yeah, I mess the Green AMD

[@winj3r]

All of a sudden, Zen5 doesn't look too bad...

[@Edward135i]

Buying a 7800X3D for $350 in January is making me feel like a genius 😂

[@jose131991]

9000 iQ play 😂

[@joeykeilholz925]

13:46 just saw a 12600KF + board + 16 GB ram for $230 at micro center. So I can buy that and be better off in photoshop instead of brand new and exponentially more expensive Intel AI PC garbage. MSRP $589. But at least they'll hide their self destructing CPUs and try their damndest to not honor the warranty, so really that's what you're paying for ♥️

[@nicane-9966]

I would try to get an 8 core. The 12700k doesnt look bad at all and is barely any more expensive.

[@jamesleicher]

Can i ask should i still get 12 gen with the windows stability issues? Started buying pc parts for my teen kids, was going get 12400.​@nicane-9966

[@100500daniel]

Me, a 7800X3D owner after watching this video: 🌚☕

[@maremarkoni]

Same 😂

[@obst3085]

absolutely. i feel like i've made a 1080 TI type purchase. "omg you're overpaying for a 350€ processor in a 1400€ build" nah bro that thing is STAYING

[@AshtonCoolman]

Except for Starfield's stupid ahh....they have to be crippling AMD on purpose in that game, LOL. I have a 7800X3D and a 4090 so I have skin in the game as well.

[@nipa5961]

The 7800X3D is 20% ahead. Even if the 9800X3D is only 5% faster than the 7800X3D it'll be a bloodbath.

[@darcrequiem]

You an me both man. I'm glad I snagged mine back when they were going for $360.

[@bearfather54]

Ultra 9 -2.85% (3nm) is slower than 7700X (5nm) in gaming, wtf?

[@apricotmadness4850]

Intel is lost at this point. 😂

[@defnotatroll]

intel are so used to their crap node they didnt know what to do when they actually got ahold of a competent fabricator

[@bigbolbo]

There’s a size matters joke in there somewhere lmao

[@tringuyen7519]

@@defnotatrollActually, ARL CPU tile used the Intel 20A node until Intel cancelled it & went with TSMC 3nm. Maybe Intel thought same design in a different process would be fine?

[@dashy90210]

Being the first Intel launch after AMD on Win11 got fixed, this was always going to be a hard fight for Arrow Lake to win. Having said that though, if this is supposed to be the first step into the future for Intel, we'd all better get used to an AMD monopoly in the coming years.

[@Glim92]

9000X3D might be a bloodbath for Intel If the leaks of better gaming without sacrificing productivity are true

[@lharsay]

at this point AMD could even charge $600-800 for the 9800X3D due to the lack of competition

[@dkindig]

so far I've heard that multi-core on the 9800x3d is on a par with the other 9000-series multi-core performance, which sounds like it could be a great multipurpose cpu.

[@tringuyen7519]

@@lharsayAMD will stay with $450 msrp for the 9800X3D. But given Intel’s poor value, don’t be surprised if sellers charge you $550.

[@cobra2994]

So disappointed with intel had a 14900k had to rma it and now selling because I switched to amd and love it so much more and seeing ultra cpu fail as well just doesn’t even surprise me after the dealing with intel’s instability for almost a year…. And he is standing which is another sign 😬

[@AdrusFTS]

i knew it was gonna be "arrow in the knee lake"

[@myroslav6873]

7200Mhz and 8200Mhz memory. Damn, I'd rather buy 6000Mhz cl30 for 85$ and pair it with Ryzen 7600 or 7700 and get similar gaming as this core ultra wowza chip that costs how much, 600 or more dollars?

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

I run the same G-Skill Trident Z5 Neo kit in DDR 5 6000Mhz Cl30 that HUB uses, it was a 32GB kit bought in 2023 prices, still about the same at $112.99 on Newegg.

[@nateTrh]

Issue is Intel kneecapped the ring bus clock because it was probably the reason why 13th and 14th gen chips were frying themselves to death. This just means that memory speed just doesn't do much for gaming and daily tasks anymore. I'm just happy that Ryzen is optimized for cheap stuff like 6000-6400 low latency ram.

[@manmansgotmans]

The 6000MHz cl36 DDR5 will probably be the memory sweetspot until DDR6 ram arrives, it's basically the 3600MHz DDR4 all over again in the sense that you know it will be good til it's phased out

[@dkindig]

Those 6000 kits scale to 6400 EASILY using buildzoid's timings as well. I plugged in his numbers for timings and haven't had any problems whatsoever.

[@darcrequiem]

CODE RED!! Steve is standing, I repeat Steve is standing!!!

[@fwixgamer4796]

it's a crime against intel fanboys , loosing in heavy rendering application , losing to even ur old gen of cpus in gaming and still loosing in power consumption by more than 50% vs the 3d chips , oh the misery .....

[@evilpotatoman9436]

Dont worry they will find an excuse! drivers maybe?

[@mraltoid19]

Geez, the 5800x3D IS the 1080-Ti of CPUs.

[@GoodGamer3000]

Intel definitely won this generation. They top all the disappointment charts in averages and 1% lows.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

"Arrow in the knee lake" Lmao, just when I thought CPU market couldn't get any worse.

[@mleise8292]

That Cyberpunk/Homeworld data looks like Intel is trying to help Longsoon beat them in the midrange faster.

[@lharsay]

Yeah having one of the P cores randomly drop to 800MHz from 5.7GHz certainly doesn't help when all of them are in use.

[@mmadevgame]

amd X3D for gamers is just wow

[@Jojo_Tolentino]

Oh man, this CPU generation is something else

[@WayStedYou]

The spaghetti code of starfield cancelled out the 285k and it did okay

[@MLWJ1993]

Like it was made specifically to run Bethesda code! 😂

[@gauravrai2736]

Creation engine loves intel for some reason.

[@arizona_anime_fan]

@@gauravrai2736 that's because it's a dx9 engine. meaning it's meant for a single core. they might sell starfield as a dx12 game, but at it's heart the game engine is still basically a single core engine.

[@NormLenhart-v4l]

@@gauravrai2736 Skyrim success matrix: L2 cache and clock speed, followed by IPC.

[@balajig1261]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

My Ryzen 7 7700x cost $210 new on Amazon with Warhammer free, already had a working AM5 system.

[@hasiktak1544]

GN and HU are the most trusted tech channels on youtube, thanks steve

[@RobBCactive]

The last time I was this early Meteor & Arrow Lake both sounded good on MLiD's channel. Sapphire Rapids fix seemed to consist of reducing tile count to 2 or 3, basically glueing together monolithic sized dies. Presumably the problem with Sapphire Rapids, Meteor and Arrow Lake is down to the special brew low latency glue Intel cooked up.

[@barlevi5683]

somehow instead of evolving we keep going backwards

[@BUDA20]

what a mess, from Intel as a premium company to a something that seems completely improvised, everything seems a patch of a patch, first the "efficiency cores" and removing AVX512, then removing SMT ... while still using lots of power and not able to compite on gaming performance ...

[@Ivan-pr7ku]

Well, they left AVX-VNNI at least (one of the gazillion AVX512 extensions), although that NPU kind of nullifies its use case.

[@lharsay]

I heard they removed HT because the development team couldn't get it working it was so broken.

[@markhackett2302]

@@lharsay But by "Broken" I suspect it was the Ring Bus couldn't get the faster speed needed to keep those cores fed, and trying to force it was why 14th Gen and the voltage fried (permanently) the raptor cove chips, and to avoid that, they had to dial back the bus speed, to keep the voltage in check. And therefore it was either starve those threads OR not have SMT.

[@Osprey850]

This seems to confirm what Moore's Law Is Dead reported yesterday: "The worst part about Arrow Lake is, according to every single tech tuber and game developer I spoke to who has their hands on it, the thing doesn't work. [...] I've had other people tell me that they've had constant blue screening issues, and even issues with games booting them out of online servers, because the Ultra 9 was detected as running some kind of cheating code even though it wasn't. It's so bad that I happen to know that multiple reviewers are even wondering if there's a hardware flaw in Arrow Lake causing these instability problems."

[@kuekejuu5057]

i'm surprised how accurate his report is after watching the other steve's video

[@n9ne]

like a memory issue? ryzen 1 had memory issues maybe this thing has similar issues.

[@dkindig]

Wow. After the 13th/14th gen fiasco it's starting to look like a pattern with hardware flaws.

[@tringuyen7519]

@@n9neEven Zen 1 did blue screen on you or trigger cheating code protection. Intel ARL is a complete mess. It outdid the 14900k, but not in the way Intel hoped for!

[@Simi69]

There 7800X3D using the same amount of power as an old timey lightbulb to deliver that much performance is insane!

[@HP4L16]

Now give Ryzen tuned low latency DDR5 6400 and intel gets demolished even worse.

[@Prince-ox5im]

Steve's Standing again 😭🙏

[@adal7758]

If I understand correctly...the Intel benchmarks were done on Windows 23H2...and the AMD ones on 24H2...because the Intel processors on Windows 24H2 were even slower!!

[@goUkraine]

yes, by 10% per Steve. Yikes.

[@AssassinIsAfk]

The Ryzen 7 7800x3d has set the bar for gaming CPUs, the 9800x3d is zen 5's last hope of setting a new bar and not completely making 2024 look like a very bad year for CPU upgrades.

[@pivorsc]

Intel lives in their own world where they need to release new CPUs each year no matter what

[@NJ-wb1cz]

It may be literally true simply due to the production process. What they should've done, is price the models according to their performance, not some made up positioning

[@LegendaryPhenom]

Steve is standing, RIP INTEL.

[@FilthyGopher]

Intel on the TSMC's newer fab node vs AMD and still behind. Just shows what the real issue is.

[@haukionkannel]

New node is not nesessary faster… but it should help in power usage.

[@jackealmonistar251]

Once 7800x3d sat on the throne there is no one can make him leave it

[@nasron88]

‘Too much creativity may kill the practicality’ - quote by my senior engineer. Seems like intel just did it. 😢

[@low_etc]

Zen 5 deserves much more credit now that we have seen what Intel has managed.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Cant wait for the benchmarks for the 9800x3d.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

It's a good thing it's done already and AMD can't retroactively cheap out on it because they are only competing with themselves

[@Md_Firaz]

here comes the same intel 11th gen situation guys! (waste of sand)

[@sheratedis]

Steve is standing: Oh No... bad news

[@Itsyesfahad]

Yeah except, they are competing with the monitors naming now !

[@Khalidd7]

from 10 nm to 3nm = -5% performance 😂😂😂😂

[@christophermullins7163]

Why do i feel like the 14900k power limited to the 250watt would still be a better setup than 285k? I wasnt expecting much but damn. Intel is making it so easy for amd.

[@damara2268]

If intel just ported 14900K to tsmc 3nm it would be much better cpu than whatever mess arrow lake is lmao

[@gizmo104drives7]

Not a damn manscaped sponsor... you guys were doing so well! 😅

[@Osprey850]

At least the ad showed a guy using it on his face. It could've been worse.

[@celeridad6972]

Is it bad quality products?

[@gizmo104drives7]

@celeridad6972 I have no idea about the quality but I will never buy one as they flood youtube with their cringey ads

[@you2be839]

Manscaping isn't an add, it's a trimmed lifestyle!

[@irenemengouli590]

I think a CPU should also be benchmarked in DCS / MSFS which are CPU demanding games.

[@blkspade23]

No one benches DCS, but DCS gets like 300FPS on a monitor anyway.

[@sureberferber9101]

PC Builders: I've got 99 problems, using Intel ain't one... 🤣🤣🤣

[@0Harriz0]

Glue manufacturers will make a lot of profit now that Intel finally switched its manufacturing procedures

[@flxdrv5020]

nice ryzen 7000 3D ad lmao

[@Chrissy717]

Oh shit, gotta check prices!

[@tringuyen7519]

@@Chrissy717Already did. Most of 7800X3D are going above $500. Only 1 seller was giving the msrp of $450. Thanks Intel. Gamers really needed this!

[@jose131991]

@@Chrissy717they went up naturally. No competition

[@john066]

obligatory thanks for including the 5800x3D in the review comment!

[@riven4121]

Intel to pat: "Pat... steve is standing"

[@bradjohnson5323]

I noticed the Microcenter bundle deal for the 7950X3D went up $30, I bet AMD got the early reviews saw Arrowlake was so bad they could take some extra profit.

[@cheshirster]

It's not AMD, its Microcenter themselves.

[@zackp3442]

Manscaped must've put in some WORK to get on an ad slot with HU! 😂

[@calebrio02]

That's what I thought as well hahaha

[@WayStedYou]

But they sponsor almost anyone

[@zackp3442]

I know, HU did a video where they talked about how picky they are to take sponsorships​@@WayStedYou

[@zackp3442]

@@WayStedYou I know they do but HU did a video about how picky they are with sponsors

[@klti0815]

I'm surprised they got rid of HyperThreading, it was a long-standing optimization to avoid parts of cores sitting idle while the core itself is busy with other things. I'd be very curious to know what motivated that change, have they come up with a radically different pipeline that can parallelize much better, or did they just trade the die space for other components like more L1 cache?

[@markhackett2302]

What motivated them? Ring bus. Throttling CPU cores at high speed.

[@BtappinHD]

It probably has something to do with the hyper threading. The system is now limited to 8 p-cores, 8 threads with options to shovel other things to the e-cores. The problem is previously, the system used to be able to use 8-pcores, 16 threads, so it has more space to efficiently schedule tasks on the p-cores. E-cores are handling tasks that used to be on the p-cores' threads, so now we're seeing slowdowns in CPU intensive areas. The only solution would be to fine-tune the tasks that go to the p-cores and the ones that are allowed to go to the e-cores since they're working with less p-cores now. This reminds me of the downgrade from a 4-core 8-thread i7-4670K to a 4-core 4-thread i5-4570K. i7 obviously performs much better. Hopefully a windows update is enough for this, but I'm nervous that developers will be required to update their games to efficiently use this new architecture.

[@douglasmurphy3266]

No doubt, I wonder if you could take a quad-core, like an i3-14100 and see the same games that take a giant hit here have a similar relative loss in performance versus the games it excels at.

[@JakkoTB]

Great video. What stands out is that in the CPU intensive gaming benchmarks where Arrow Lake performs way under expectations, both power draw and cpu temperature follow the downward trend, yet cpu usage does not. It all points towards Windows/Intel/Game Engines not scheduling cores in the most effective way, similarly to what we saw on Ryzen/Windows not too long ago. I expect patches to be incoming, or that's what I hope at least, for the sake of healthy competition.

[@thegamingone-thegamingone]

Intel: You want Cometition?! Let me get my Bulldozer!

[@cheshirster]

I'm taking it.

[@yeahyeah3atweb]

came for the inteljokes, stayed for the ballshaver

[@necrotic256]

Thank you AMD for actually delivering performance improvements with Zen5

[@dadgamer6717]

Wow so complicated. Must have driven you nuts! Great you all helped each other out.

[@QALibrary]

0:26 wonder how Intel glueing the tiles together to make this CPU?

[@BLCKVD]

Oh good to know so I can keep rocking with my superior i9-12900K ❤

[@augustomartins9516]

Starting to watch, Steve is standing, not a good sign...

[@gw7624]

Ordinarily my first instinct would be to head over to Anandtech when a new arch drops. Sad times.