Intel Just Solved PC Performance Bottlenecks (How to easily find CPU limits)

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Intel just did a yet ANOTHER major update for their Arc graphics cards. HUGE uplifts in all DirectX 11 games. BUT, they also introduced a new way of looking at GPU data with in Intel PresentMon- that is "GPU Busy". This shows the amount of time it takes the graphics card to render a frame, then if you combine it with a frametime graph (CPU render time) you can see whether or not your GPU is moving faster than your CPU. Or in some cases, if your GPU is just waiting on other system factors. Basically how to find the performance bottleneck in your PC/system.
This is REVOLUTIONARY! We can easily confirm CPU limitations in games and for the average gamer, also just see ig you're leaving performance on the table. Intel just changed GPU reviews and testing forever! And solved the issue of not knowing what the problem is.
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0:00- INTEL ARC UPDATE
0:33- Sponsor Segment
1:08- Overlays that are already available
2:20- Frametime vs GPU Busy time
3:10- Showing system bottlenecks
4:12- Using this to find optimal settings
6:18- Complaints about Intel PresentMon currently
7:10- A Game Changer

[@vextakes]

The first step to finding a solution, is knowing the problem 😉

[@EnemyDwarf-TTV]

Vex, reason it was choppy is you need to go in to the settings of PresentMon and set the dispay to 60fps or so, defult is 10 for display and results in choppy graphs.

[@mealot7613]

Problem is games do not use 12 cores and 24 threads. They use way less cores and threads. Some indy games use like 1 core. Its the single core performance that counts. Games dont care for high core count cpus, they just want a few really fast cores.

[@masternobody1896]

yooo lets start a pc master race company and crush amd,intel and nvidia completely for giving us poor products

[@JustAGuy85]

@RAM_845 Yeah, I have a 5900x, myself. Sure, it's great at never worrying about maxing it out (unless you encode or compress with the right settings) BUT... I'm thinking of swapping in a 5800x3D down the road when I upgrade my 6700XT. 5800x3D is a boss at gaming, but then again, it can't do work like the 5900x. Almost like ya need 2 PC's lol. Because I'm not buying a new board, DDR5 and a Zen4 when the 5800x3D is such a boss. So, at least that option is in my back pocket. I understand why they came back and released the 5600x3D. They had plenty of bad 5800x3D's to turn into 5600x3D's. But omg.... wouldn't a 5900x3D be a dream chip lol? But ONLY if they made both CCD's 3D stacked. Not this new stuff they did where CCD0 is 3D cache and CCD1 isn't. And since the 5900x has 2x CCD's, it'd probably turn out like that. Then, again, if they had limitless time and money, they could just combine 2x 5600x3D's and have a 5900x3D. Okay... okay.. done dreaming.

[@mealot7613]

@@JustAGuy85 Well yes that is why there are gaming pcs and workstations. Workstations have many, kinda slow, cores and tons of ram... Something thats pretty much useless for gaming. Gaming just needs a few really fast cores and a tiny bit of ram. Game engines are made for the masses, dictated by consoles like xbox/ps5. Pc gaming is just a small piece of the pie.

[@DeathMetalSon]

It's honestly impressive what Intel is able to do when they are trying to be competitive

[@CHA0SBLEEDS]

I thought it was impressive that they were able to stay somewhat competitive sticking to 14nm for so long.

[@_nom_]

​​@@CHA0SBLEEDS14nm != 14nm It doesn't even mean anything much these days. Different components within 4nm are all over the place in nm. Plus there's more to fab size, say 3d stacking.

[@d0x360]

​@@_nom_7 uhm... it absolutely matters what node you're on. Smaller node means more transistors means more performance. Do some learning before making authoritative statements.

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

@@d0x360 It's matters but not "absolutly"

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@d0x360 Probably meant that transistors aren't shrinking any more because of quantum tunneling and newer nodes are improved designs such as FinFet, GAA etc. Ofc 7nm is much better than 14nm but the term is an umbrella one. Intel 7 ( 10nm ) has transistor density comparable to TSMC N7 while Samsung 5nm is worse than TSMC N5, probably comparable to N7 instead.

[@anarchicnerd666]

PresentMON is awesome tech by Intel, glad it's open source! MSI Afterburner might be the standard for tech enthusiasts and reviewers but I have a feeling PresentMON will find a userbase. Especially among maybe less informed PC gamers and normies. Being able to diagnose bottlenecks and make better balanced price / performance builds can only be a good thing, especially in a recession. It's also going to be interesting moving forward with technical analysis of PC ports, we've now got this piece of software we can point to and say "yep, crap CPU utilisation" or "yep, crap optimisation, driver overhead". Awesome video Vex, keep 'em coming :)

[@VintageCR]

i love PresentMon, couldnt be happiper with it. though i just learned that my cpu is basically overspec for my application e.g. using only 40-50% of its CPU power yet presentMon says it could pump out more FPS on the CPU side aka frametime... so how does that work lmao is my CPU lazy? PS: presentMon got 'fixed' after a restart and is now showing proper stats.

[@user-ch6zy8hg2q]

Afterburner stats are nice if your GPU is already overclocked and you're running Afterburner anyway. But PresentMon gives more detailed statistics when it comes to the GPU

[@Alexander_X_]

Vex, as I understood Frametime is the whole time of the system to generate a frame and put it on the screen. It's the same as in Afterburner and in any other software. Not CPU only as you mention. And GPU busy is a time of GPU only to generate a frame. So Presentmon shows only when GPU is not fully loaded. You can say that it's a CPU bottleneck but it's not factually correct. It could be a GPU driver issue, bad game optimization, or anything not only a CPU.

[@EmilKlingberg]

Yes, this is true. The graph essentially just tells you how well your gpu is synced with the rest of the system, and that includes every process from, PCI-E transfer speeds, System Memory, Gpu Memory, Cpu speed, Software limitations, etc.

[@pawelkapica5363]

It's actually really weird that a 5900x is bottle necking a game at 1440p. The argument is usually that at higher res the CPU won't matter that much because it will sit there waiting for the GPU to render the high res frames, or something like that.

[@НААТ]

Indeed weird, im still running a 1080ti with a amd fx 6350. The fx is oced to 4.8ghz but still is the bottleneck. When i switch to 1440p things smooth out

[@CUBEoneVX]

thats because its only using a few cores, and the cores are not fast enough to handle the game

[@xCynFR]

@@НААТ1080ti is a beast of a card I just recently upgraded to a 6800 and I have a 5600x3d on the way

[@TooBokoo]

To be fair, It is Remnant II. When you need a 4090 to get 70fps at native 4k, your game optimization sucks. The 5900X is still a monster, assuming you're playing a normal game where the devs gave a shlt.

[@wolfstorm5394]

​@@НААТMy guy you need to change that CPU asap, the FX lineup was probably the worst from AMD, it's not even a real 6 core processor, in reality you've got 3 cores 6 threads but depending on what you use to check it it'll show up as 6 cores 6 threads, not to mention the terrible single core performance on the FX lineup

[@luizhitmano]

For me this shows that Intel is going to invest a lot on the GPU section, might be a strong competitor in the market.

[@frankytanky5076]

I mean arc is like their first gen. I fully expect them to be super competitive by about the 3rd one and they have the resources to do it.

[@StrixWar]

@@frankytanky5076I mean they are already quite competitive in the budget market

[@LSUfan4life97]

I hope in 5-6 years when I build a new PC Intel is still in the game. They are adding a fascinating angle ATM in the market and actually seem very serious to push all competition to do better

[@mojojojo6292]

Gpu utilisation already gave us that information. If it wasn't close to 100 percent you are cpu limited.

[@shanent5793]

If the GPU fans aren't screaming for their lives it's CPU limited

[@Zxanonblade]

Don't know if you covered this already but Intel also boosted Stable Diffusion performance on the a770 by 54% (according to a Tom's Hardware article from 2 days ago), meaning it even beats the 4060 in some tests. The 4060 also usually costs more than the a770 so uhh... 4060 is even more useless than before? Pretty cool to see Intel actually trying to compete with Nvidia in the professional space, unlike some other companies lol

[@picklechin2716]

Frametime 20ms gpu busy 10ms. Thank you for the diagnosis doctor.

[@Darkhalfcustoms]

the reason the crystal is so CPU intensive is because it has to do all the math for all the floating particles. All those are rendered as separate items so much more math going one in that picture.

[@pawelkapica5363]

Cant wait for battle mage

[@MarkoMood]

How does this provide any more value than a simple usage percentage for the GPU? All I need to know is that it's less than ~99% utilized.

[@4doorsmorewhors]

That dude made a 9min video on nothing at all

[@Schytheron]

Watch GamersNexus video on this tool where he actually interviews a Intel GPU engineer and he goes in depth on the topic. Long story short, they explain that GPU/CPU utilization does not tell the whole story and can be misleading at times, whereas "GPU Busy" gives a lot more insight into HOW the game actually utilizes the CPU/GPU.

[@4doorsmorewhors]

@@Schytheron yes that's what we are saying, you only need GPU usage.

[@Schytheron]

@@4doorsmorewhors Did you even read my comment? I said the exact opposite.

[@MarkoMood]

@@Schytheron Thanks for the info

[@TommyBeingaDik]

Great video Vex. Now we want better value gpus

[@uconsaa]

i will finally be able to know if my ryzen 5 4600g is being limited by my 1650 or vice versa since i got a single stick of 8gb ddr4 3200mhz

[@ag8912]

Dude that comment was a wild ride lol At least get a second stick of RAM. It's literally 20 bucks and makes a huge difference

[@mediumplayer1]

Please buy a second stick of ram💀

[@ag8912]

@mediumplayer1 everything limits everything in his build lol

[@DodgyTodger]

I've a similar conundrum on my kids PC. Phenom ii 965 with 8gb of ddr 2 800mhz ram and a 768mb(aka 3/4 of a GB for the kids) GTX 460 GPU.... I can overclock that processor Or get 16gb of 1066mhz ram or a Radeon HD graphics card 2gb

[@mediumplayer1]

@@ihatelols wise words, a setup like that will run pre-2019 games no problem and will be fine in most newer titles too.

[@snakeplissken1754]

Doesn't really change anything. Common sense tells you that whenever your GPU doesn't go up to 100% usage it's either capped by max fps,vsync or CPU bottleneck. Most games are sh*t when it comes to multi core usage so you end up bottlenecked quite quickly with 2-4 cores being utilized only.

[@BladeDoomer86]

Tthe biggest problem is that games never fully use Cpus. Always 2-4 cores, terrible... Then you have to upgrade a perfectly decent cpu for no good reason!

[@technologicalelite8076]

Mans pulling off an LMG style sponsor segue 💀

[@tytanis]

I mean you could always look if your GPU is at 98-100%. If you have 70% usage it means you are CPU limited.

[@MsTatakai]

Its not MSI afterburner, its RTSS that does that overlay... MSI Afterburner just simplify a way to config and give CPU stuff to the overlay ... so what you can do is use RTSS and configure it to use that software as capture instead of msi afterburner and you have the GPU busy ... many ppl use RTSS with Aida64 or HWinfo instead of msi afterburner ... i use just rtss nothing else, usually by usage is ez to know what i want

[@asdfag557]

This could also help COMPETITIVE gamers look for best graphical settings

[@thecanunu2647]

Totally not going to test it out now and see if it's going to take over where I've used MSI/RTSS since I started PC gaming lol

[@blasiansauce3125]

Wouldn't

[@paulboyce8537]

I think prelude to Battlemage and pairing with the right CPU. It also shows if the memory bus is not coping. Some of these cards come with 128 and 192 vs 256 bus and you can show with this how 4k for example where the performance really is because FPS alone won't give the true performance. And as you can pick up the INTEL video also talks about completely new drivers for the ARC. To me this might be optimized drivers for INTEL CPU. As it is now the drivers are a compromise to work on AMD also. I don't where but I have a picture of 20% of performance is still on the table for INTEL CPU optimized drivers. Also DX9 is claimed to all working. DX11 has a big boost. 70 XeSS supported games now and number getting bigger fast. 30 driver updates and the card has been out about 1 year. A770 $350 the value is getting better and better and it does 4k in most of the games well enough for an entry level card for 4k. Overclocking from 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W to 2786MHz 271W. There are not many cards that have 16gb VRAM and 256 bus or better to enable 4k. Then there is XeSS 1.2 just launched. It was already good and getting better. And what has AMD/Nvidia done in the same time? AMD discontinued the top cards. Nvidia 50 series maybe 2025. INTEL Battlemage maybe 2023 Q4 to 2024 Q1-2 with 14th gen CPU. Performance on paper on bar with 4080 or even 4090 and price maybe around $500-600. Of course speculation but I'm just parroting what is the general feeling.

[@NubAnSkrub]

Alchemist+ late 2023 and early 2024 and battlemage afterwards

[@4doorsmorewhors]

Name me one single card that is limited by bus width lol I don't get why people are starting to talk about bus width

[@paulboyce8537]

@@4doorsmorewhors 4070ti 12gb VRAM 192 bit bus 285W 4070 12gb VRAM 192 bit bus 185W 4060ti 8gb VRAM 128 bit bus 160W 4060 8gb VRAM 128 bit bus 115W 3060 12gb VRAM 192 bit bus 170W 6500xt 4gb VRAM 64 bit bus 107W 6600xt 8gb VRAM 128 bit bus 132W 6700 10gb VRAM 160 bit bus 220W 6750xt 12gb VRAM 192 bit bus 250W 7600xt 8gb VRAM 128 bit bus 120W

[@paulboyce8537]

@@NubAnSkrub Q3 2023 has been the original road map for Battlemage. I haven't see INTEL giving any other dates. I'm fully aware what youtube speculate. No one has real information. A770 was discontinued to make room for Battlemage manufacturing. At least this is the rumor. Alchemist+ will be made by Acer maybe. AMD announcing they quit making top end cards. That to me tells INTEL is close. Also INTEL can't wait. Market is open. All new drivers are coming, tools are already here. INTEL XeSS 1.2 just got launched. So much is happening and INTEL has really been pushing. The Intel 14th gen release date is Thursday, October 19, 2023. Vital for Battlemage. So expect the GPU launch to be near that date because if you are you build a new computer for 14th gen CPU you want to have the suitable GPU also available. It would be silly not to.

[@NubAnSkrub]

@@paulboyce8537 Didn't they just discontinue the limited edition because it's yknow limited a770 is still sold from different manufacturers

[@ClayWheeler]

Morale of the story: To you guys who bought Intel GPU, Please please enable the Telemetry. The reason is very simple. Intel can't possibly test millions of hardware combination possibilities. So the fastest way for them to deliver Driver Updates, by using Telemetry. Because Intel Telemetry is actually monitoring the Driver behaviour. Not your activity. That way, they can gather hundreds of thousands data everyday to analyze for future Driver updates. Radeon & NVidia Telemetry is totally different story. You might want to disable that. Because they had decades of experience in writing GPU driver. You want Intel to succeed in Affordable high performance GPUs? Enable the Telemetry.

[@Xodius96]

loving the doki doki in the background xD

[@paulmers9112]

61% cpu usage,means that your cpu uses all cores and its in hyperthreading status.The 5900x has enough cores,not enough power for 3080

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

Agree with you Blue, my 5800X3D says 50% usage but when one/3th cores at 80% usage and others below 10%

[@muhammadraihan5149]

Love work you are putting out. These small things makes ton difference.

[@vKILLZ0NEv]

Was super excited to try this as to see if I am in a gpu or cpu bottleneck, but unfortunately the cpu busy option does not appear, and I can't find any mention of this issue on google.

[@aria.e]

You mean I can finally check if my i5 9400f is bottlecking 4060ti?

[@JaseHDX]

yes, yes it is..

[@Remu-]

It's a pretty neat piece of software but GPU utilization % is all you really need to determine whether you're CPU or GPU bound. 99-100% utilization = GPU bound, under 99% utilization = CPU bound.

[@susdane9649]

Yo great video to pop up in my feed! Cool tech looking forward to it thanks for sharing the details on how it will influence making setting changes!

[@astreakaito5625]

Um, to be honest, I don't see the point. It's cool to have a GPU wait stat now, but you could always pretty much see if your CPU bottleneck by looking at GPU utilization anyway. If it's not 99M% then something else must bottleneck and it's often, but not always I guess, the CPU. But it's still cool, I just don't think it's gonna change much. People who actually care about PC gaming and performance never neglect their CPU part.

[@hinchlikescake7592]

Its giving you indepth information to see how much a CPU limited performance of the GPU. And by quantitive numbers relative to frame times. Can see it being a really useful tool for reviewers like GN, HU and DF. But also helps people visually see what they need to improve to reduce bottleneck in their systems. Granted what you can do now if obvious this gives you a more precise way to measure that. In a real world scenario.. lets say you have a new game and your PC hits a shade under 60fps in a game and you can see you are little CPU bottlenecked you can make a decision from other peoples benchmarks and reviews if going up to more performant CPU of lets say 15%+ IPC and improved clocks will give you (say from Zen 3 to 4) and you can make a educated guess on how much FPS you could potentially gain. Just by calculating frame times between fps, and how many frames in the gap between GPU busy and calculate from there.

[@RAaaa777]

Vex, it's simple to know if you are CPU limited when the GPU usage is below 100 percent. Then you know you are CPU bound, I think this feature is nice to have but not a game changer imho

[@sunilnarine6313]

yeah, he needs some views.

[@arthurbonds7200]

No, because what he didn't mention is that the gap between 'GPU Busy' and 'Frametime' is not necessarily a CPU bottleneck - it simply means the CPU is in a wait state for something to happen, which could be anything including loading data from storage, VRAM limitations, etc. In a perfect world, they should be the almost same if nothing is bottlenecking either side. GN's video with Intel's Tom Petersen mentions this.

[@4doorsmorewhors]

It's impossible for both to not bottleneck

[@RAaaa777]

​​@@arthurbonds7200directstorage is not yet supported by games. So there are only two options, either it's a GPU or cpu(ram is CPU bound) bottleneck. So currently this feature is useless, might be more useful in the future maybe

[@arthurbonds7200]

@@RAaaa777That's not how Directstorage works. Regardless of DS or not, both CPU and GPU have to wait for certain external factors (HDD or SSD to load data to RAM or to VRAM, swapping, eviction, etc), or perhaps for certain devices to signal (some stutters come from polling game controllers for example).

[@KaeIthas]

I will try the Tool because i have High frametime Spikes with my rtx4080 + r9 5900x

[@SCARaw]

this vex guy does pretty detailed videos

[@DaemonForce]

Oh wow, cool new feature that only took us like 6-7 years to get to the same spot I was at in Unity performance monitoring and certain in game benchmarks. Way to go Intel. I'm very proud. 🐇

[@StainlessPot]

As a dev I'm just sitting here shocked that consumers weren't able to look at GPU and CPU ticks separately for decades now. Seriously, what? This isn't new. This wasn't just invented, it's an everyday thing, and none of you had it before?

[@skywalker1991]

Intel has fell so far behind , now they started doing open source software, lol I remember 10 years ago how arrogant intel was , everything was overpriced and 3% to 5% improvement between new and old cpus , their gpus were only igp but had over 70% marketshare in gpus , crazy how much they have fallen , bigger you are harder you fall. But im ok they came down to ground and started working hard , we need those battlemage gpus now , we need 3 players in gpu arena.

[@knowpai9432]

If its open source cant msi implement it on afterburner?

[@SUCHMISH]

Why my next graphics card is going to be a ARC card!! Intel really changing the GPU landscape, and it's past time for a third party in this 2 GPU type ecosystem!!

[@Kyzerii]

intel really being the goats of the gpu industry rn

[@toddmclaughlin8153]

Could you do a video on the workings? I can't see half the settings you had on screen. a walk through would be nice.

[@TheMrRadish]

So, it doesnt change anything? It just shows the same think in ms instead of percentage?

[@lilpain1997]

love this and 100% going to use when starfield releases to get the best visuals to performance out of my rig

[@gtx1650max-q]

Bro be showing innocent benchmarks with no so innocent background music :P

[@marijanovic191x7]

Maybe use a 5800X3D for the game benchmarks? I did switch from the 5900X to the 5800X3D for gaming and it's quite a nice jump for most games, the 0.1% and 1% low frame rates and smoother frame times.

[@jeroen5736]

can't you overclock the 5900x to be @5ghz all the time ?

[@puffyips]

Yeah I tried to tell my friend who went with the 5900x for mostly gaming but he said he wanted to get into streaming tho but idk I think the 5800x3d would still do fine but better in games like you said

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

5900x 5.1Ghz posable as one core but all core will never be higher than 4.9Ghz even try to overclock to 4.9Ghz all cores is not hard but expensive becuze of aio 360mm will not even keep up and needs to be water loop about 360mm at last. 5800X3D way better and getting even better when overclocked my 5800X3D goes 4.54Ghz and stock is 4.45Ghz. All my cores goes on 4.54Ghz at heavy load.

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

5600x old owner and clocked 1.4Vcore at 4.85Ghz all cores manually and my 65W CPU goes up to 150W is huge, then 1 year later I used PBO at 4.96Ghz one core boost and all cores PBO goes 4.77Ghz was good enough but upgraded to 5800X3D for 1 month ago

[@revanmercury]

Very useful information thank you Vex!

[@krisspkriss]

You will never "solve PC performance bottlenecks". All systems have a limiting subsystem or component, AKA bottleneck. Improve that component or subsystem and the bottleneck will move somewhere else. For example in ecology you will often see population growth bounce between growth being limited by carrying capacity and it being limited by predation, often forming two equilibrium states at two distinct population levels, and each being limited by a different factor, or bottleneck. Also, there is far more than just "CPU" or "GPU" to limit and bottleneck performance. For example around the crystal it most likely was limited by the CPU itself, probably from the increased number of particles and other elements to calculate. But there is also the memory, the PCIe lanes, etc. For example I can show a distinct and measurable difference in FPS in Cyberpunk depending on whether it is on my NVMe drive or my SATA drive. In Kingdom Come : Deliverance, I can go from almost no noticeable pop-in of textures on my NVMe raid drive to a couple seconds or so on my NVMe drive that runs through my north bridge to "oh my god, everyone is naked and has no head for several seconds" on a SATA drive. What were the limiting factors? The bus systems themselves.

[@Sekiro-3.14]

Hello VEX! Thanks for your videos! I don't understand how an R9 5900x 12 core bottlenecks an RTX3080 at 1440p, both being top-of-the-range products from the same year of manufacture, 2020. It seems to me that there are more optimization errors that generate it. What do you think?

[@justjoe5373]

It's Remnant, optimization is the antithesis to that game

[@Abyss-Will]

Shit happens, I have a 12100f and it gets taken to its limits with BeamNg in certain scenarios and that's a 10 years old game. Modern games still haven't implemented its physics because it's too demanding to be included in a modern game where the graphics alone are already pushing the gpu and processors

[@elliottsalt]

This is all very cool, but is no one going to comment on the use of DDLC music in this video at some point? Man, I forgot about that game.

[@Arzack711]

good thing about open source thing, somebody with decent graphic design skill can make an even better ui overlay for presentmon that include both frametime and gpu busy graph.

[@godssoldier597]

awesome i tried it and it's amazing thanks u rock

[@timvanranderaad7833]

I hope game developer's will use this to hopefully actually optimise their games. So the requirements wouldn't have to be so stupidly high for some games

[@alessiolazzara78]

forget it, they're trying to selling upscaling technics as "optimization" for poor performances. :(

[@arthurbonds7200]

They already have tools better than this (like Nsight) that tells devs exactly what part of the pipeline is stalling. The gap between 'Frametime' and 'GPU Busy' is simply an abstraction of how long the CPU spent waiting for all tasks to complete before proceeding with the next frame, it doesn't really directly tell you that it's the CPU speed that's bottlenecking.

[@guilhermedamata7964]

Some games already have this type of monitoring system like Warface

[@edwardecl]

Why are modern games written like crap these days... 60FPS CPU bottleneck for a crappy third person shooter, what the hell is the game doing? If you want to see the absolute worse game for being CPU limited, play Age of Wonders 4, that game gets 35FPS on all lowest settings on my Ryzen 2700, 4FPS if you zoom the map all the way out. No excuse for it.

[@kevinerbs2778]

I cannot get intel GPU busy to work for me at all. Show me why? I have two RTX 2080ti's are they too old?

[@heatsflamesman6080]

Explained easy and fast. Better than any other "scientific" channel

[@jonesy66691]

When intel gpu's can run DCS in VR I will buy one.

[@Gekihen_]

ok so i know i will have bottleneck but i want to ask it anyways. How bad of a bottleneck would i have with a ryzen 9 8000x3D and a RX7800XT im waiting for next gen gpus so imma rely on this graphics card instead while waiting for the next gen to realese ( I know the RYZEN 8000 arent out yet but based on curent gen what would it look lilke) ( and is gpu bottleneck that bad ?)

[@bagelbytes69420]

Been trying to figure out why RTSS/Afterburner doesnt have the monitor for my 5800X's frequency. I have an almost identical system to you, 5800X and 3080 10G and you seem to have that statistic shown in afterburner. Can you take a look for me and see if you can see anything that might add that ability or w/e to afterburner? I dont recall having this issue before, but evidently something has changed. Thanks man!

[@kevinerbs2778]

If you've ever changed boards or Cpu's you have to complete uninstall & delete all data from any previous M.S.I afterburner. I couldn't get the frame times to ever show up without doing all that.

[@Agp1597]

i hope this make sure the devs dont have shitty games that runs bottlenecks

[@Betonoszlop]

Performance bottlenecks is still there but now you know what causing it as i see.

[@phx4669]

Thanks, downloaded the Present Mon and tested in heavenly bench mark. Graphs and monitoring looked good until I realized the benchmark was a bit low and this is right after the driver update. I have a ARC750 with 12600K. It benched at ave 266 fps. I compared that to my last bench and it was at 302. I was like what? I closed Presentmon and reran the test and it came back at 298. Not sure if you have seen this in your testing or not but it appears that Presentmon is hitting the performance pretty hard.

[@evergreatest7644]

It is not showing any data for my RX 480. Why is that? The default adapter for telemetry says no data.

[@kaleb51]

Thanks for the informative video as always

[@K9PT]

But you can put GPU BUSY also in RicaTuner

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

Picking up the 16GB Acer A770 version is turning out to be a solid call.

[@thetheoryguy5544]

Same

[@PapaJoes-we6hh]

if u want a 16gb a770 go for asrock. they recently relaunched the 8gb model with 16gb vram

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

@@PapaJoes-we6hh I already have the Acer and actually prefer its design to the Asrock.

[@xcomlongwarvlongwarrebalan8178]

Oculus debug tool has CPU time and GPU time. But there is even more detailed tool like Nvidia Nsight

[@martin22336]

Intel is a real ducking threat for Nvidia and AMD. Am glad to see it.

[@imperatorpalpatine3978]

I think it's really cool, but with caveats... It doesn't recognise my laptops' CPU (i5 8250U) and my integrated graphics, so I only get frametime, fps and 99% fps

[@TechButler]

Frankly, I don't care about any of this. I just want my system to be able to play all games at the highest settings. I could care less about this data. There's more to it than GPU and CPU anyway.

[@Joelbrace2]

Cant you just see if your GPU is at 100% usage when on an uncapped framerate?

[@xpodx]

how did you enable it? i tried to display the overlay, and it isn't showing up.

[@halrichard1969]

Whats the cost of this app? That would be very helpful.

[@alessiolazzara78]

from the gamersnexus video seems to me that intel made a presentation layer for an opensource framework made by an engineer, they're supporting it not made it. Am I wrong?

[@Paelmoon]

Damn, I never even saw that sponsor segue coming LMAO

[@suryanshmalviya6315]

Should I buy an Intel card (a750) in India for 22k(275 dollars)

[@aerodynamics_sweden]

while it is a good deal, i think u can find cheaper ones

[@johndrippergaming]

but u need a good cpu to pair it with like ryzen 5 5600 ryzen 7 5700 etc or else u will get low fps drivers are not very good i am plsanning to get ryzen 7 5700. or u can just buy rx 6600

[@suryanshmalviya6315]

@@johndrippergaming I have an Intel i3 12100f

[@starlightHT]

Vex, I have an R9 5900X and even if I put it at 4Ghz it manages to keep up with my 7900xtx and have more than 90 fps stable (limited by rivatuner to 90 if not limited balance from 144 to 80fps) most of the game with 1440p ultra on Remnant 2. Are you saying the 5900x can't power a 3080? It seems to me that you have the misconfiguration or something wrong in the pc as memory.

[@starlightHT]

Answering my own answer. I confirmed with PresentMon my 5900X (now I have 4.65Ghz on the first ccd and 4.5Ghz on the second ccd 1.3V) is more than enough to maximize the 7900XTX even with OC at 1440P Ultra if not using FSR upscaler. In that area I get an average of 130fps walking around the perimeter. For me the problem is really the Nvidia drivers or something related. It's impossible to max out a 7900XTX and not a 3080.

[@mojojojo6292]

A 5900x is definitely massively bottlenecking a 7900xtx. There's a lot of games out there that are very cpu demanding especially more modern titles. It's a better match with the likes of a 3080 or 4070 but even there it will bottleneck some games. Especially the 1% lows. You would probably see as much as 30% average higher frames with a 7800x3d with an even higher number on the 1% lows. Why would you pair a 1k gpu with a 300 cpu?

[@starlightHT]

@@mojojojo6292 It explains there, where is the bottlenecking in having 220/250 FPS a whole game in Bf2042 with a resolution of 1440p normal quality and without use of upscaler or 140/180 fps in cyberpunk in ultra in the same resolution, Assassins Creed Valhalla I have 170+fps the whole game without dropping fps with a maximum quality of 1440p. if you prefer synthetics have more than 31 thousand in 3dmark times without oc. Do you know what kills your gaming experience with AMD products? Too much voltage on cpu or gpu. It's my fault they don't know how to tune a Ram or fine tune a cpu or tune the motherboard bios. When I had the 3080 on the rig it was the same thing. It had the same fps as those using the new 7000 or 13000 cpu. By the way I don't know how my 3080 behaves in Remnant2. I don't feel like switching.

[@samueldaccache1322]

I think Doom's benchmark has something like that

[@xcomlongwarvlongwarrebalan8178]

BTW, the MSI afterburner % GPU usage is exactly the "GPU busy" metric.

[@Nameless-qe9hu]

An open source program from a modern company? Is it 1980?

[@1cecreampize197]

In the future I'm gonna build a pc with Intel gpu

[@charvelgaming2975]

Should i disable msi afterburner while running this?

[@Viking8888]

Wow! If you are having CPU limits with a 5900x looks like I'll be having a worse time with my 5800x. (When I can finally get a better GPU that is. I currently have an RTX 2070 Super). Thx for the heads up on the intel performance monitor.

[@ampere_man]

Just tested this software on my 5700X and 6700XT, unless there is some sort of framerate limit (vsync or in-game or radeon chill) there was no game where I could spot any issues

[@Viking8888]

@@ihatelols I may need a platform upgrade along with the GPU. Guess I'll keep saving.

[@marufulislam4311]

5800x can handle rx-6800/ rx-6700xt without any bottleneck Rtx GPU usually have driver overhead

[@princekatana8792]

just get a 5800x3d and you're set so long you're gaming on am4

[@LKNear]

I wish we could get an option to display all this information on my second monitor instead of using the overlay

[@pajasan]

Isnt this the same thing which id software engine based games offer for cca a decade?

[@Ludak021]

you don't ahve to go through the whole menu, you can just type in the field...

[@8ending8ranches]

This mean everyone who has said for the last 5 years that the cpu is not that important was all very wrong. Huh. I guess it wasn’t just Linus giving bad info lol

[@VagabondGFG]

If a 5900X can't handle this game then its really sad how devs are so bad at optimizing.

[@user78405]

maybe it wasn't meant for use for gaming when game was from ps5 configuration of 8 cores ...not 12 , and PBO shouldn't be on for this game, devs made game on same clock speeds but since everyone doing this new terrirorty of frequency curvature math that nvidia also doing it would result more headaches for devs than solving the problem, in their mind gonna say, what is this...dynamic clocking ?? WTF

[@Eondragon]

Hi your results with your 5900X processor are strange, I have the same CPU mine goes up to 4975Mhz and the bottleneck with the GPU is only 3 to 4% with a resolution of 3440 x 1440p, the GPU is an RX6950XT.

[@alilokhd4638]

Imo This is a game changer for budget pc builders

[@defnotatroll]

This video has taught me that my i5 12500h is limited at around 60fps

[@MrSofazocker]

people forget ue5 + nanite is a software rasterizer.

[@guily6669]

I thought it was something much better to do with their GPUs... Anyway some games have that built-in. Doesn't affect me much cause I can just drop visual settings and check what's going on in terms of CPU\GPU usage and FPS change... Anyway I'm sure it's not CPU limited but more like not 100% optimised and to fully use all multithreading available to push frames...

[@brianrobinson3961]

Great content Vex!

[@Azureskies01]

Intels highest preforming Arc card is a 406 mm² die, it came out in oct 2022. The 7900XTX has a GCD of 309 mm², it came out on dec 12th 2022. The 6650XT has a 237 mm² die, is on the 7nm process and came out before the Arc 770 and preforms the same as it (slightly above). The Arc cards were DoA my guy. They (hopefully) are building their drivers for BM so they don't have the same issue that the Arc ones did (meaning huge dies and super low performance + high power draw for the performance) GN just came out with a video that goes over this overlay and they have used it for a while now. Nothing particularly new but good video to get the word out I guess.

[@molochi]

I don't know that Intel's 3rd attempt (the first being the infamous i740 "Starfighter" at the end of the 90s) at a "3d" video card line is DOA. It's in the range of Entry Level gaming cards and the fastest of their current cards should probably be a $149 8gb/$199 16gb part, but the tech is there even if its a powerhog. Intel has said that Battlemage would double performance, which would give them a competitor for a current 399-599usd card. That's not going to show up until about this time next year, so a lot could happen between now and then. NVidia and AMD are trying very hard to make a "midrange" card cost more than 750bucks. Everyone is competing within the limited production of TSMC because they aren't fabbing their own chips. Which IMO is really why we are seeing the price increase. I would say that Intel has its own adherents that will pay for the name and that if you offer them an all Intel system that is decent, they will buy it. Most of these people are buying low end Nvidia cards currently.

[@REgamesplayer]

Your die size measurements are outright wrong.

[@Azureskies01]

@@REgamesplayer then techpowerup's die sizes are wrong

[@Azureskies01]

@@molochi BM may prove that they can sustain in the GPU market (if it sells and the drivers are finally not terrible) but with all of their problems.. along with ballooning wafer costs I don't see it. Not if they need another 400-450mm2 die to make it to the low end again. But I stand by my stance on Arc, it really didn't need to come out at all. They got useful feedback on what games needed drivers but at that point the consumer is just beta testing their product for them.

[@REgamesplayer]

@@Azureskies01 I just checked info from that site. You have completely wrong sizes for all non-Intel GPUs.

[@LexDreyer]

Hey Vex, I just ordered 4070ti and I still cancel the order but what is the bottleneck on o512600kf and 4070ti aero oc at 2k... should i go for 4070 non ti instead/

[@djsproject7567]

how to set this program properly?

[@kittenburger_prime]

Lol I hope they've got proof. Like, can you independently verify any of this?