Intel Meteor Lake... Still weird, but is it any good?

[@JeanPierreVenson]

Correction: Jellyfin supports QSV or VAAPI just fine ;-) so it can work with the GPU totally fine.

[@CraftComputing]

Oh heck yes! Glad to hear it's finally supported.

[@YTHandlesWereAMistake]

Containerised it might be a bit of a nuissance to set up but you (or someone less skilled, i.e. me, with some googling) can definitely use it. Been using vaapi with an older chip and /dev/dri/renderD128 set as the device for a couple years now ​@@CraftComputing

[@YaKillaCJ]

Been using it for AWHILE now. Picked up an Intel Arc A310 for $100 back in March 2024 and has been great. Works for Transcoding, H264 Acceleration and Frigate Models, etc.

[@b0ne91]

@@CraftComputing been like that for at least a year, if not close to 2. I was using my A380 as far back as ~2 years ago.

[@leotolosky7904]

Jellyfin works perfectly on my 7840hs N17 board. 9w idle with only boot drive. 25w with three 14tb hdds. No issues transcoding Av1/x265 though most devices I have direct play the media.

[@citizensteve6713]

Oh the irony, “glued together” was the term used when Intel attacked AMD for doing this; now they are doing the exact same thing.

[@raphi_sch]

And they were the first to do it with Celeron D and Pentium D !

[@rmcdudmk212]

a perfect case of "if you can't beat em join em." lol

[@aaaalex1994]

@@raphi_sch And the Core 2 Quad

[@remainsmemories626]

Well, not "exactly", AMD passes signals over PCB, but Intel uses silicon for this. Though I don't have an in-depth knowledge of how much they differ, the silicon way should be better in theory. But it's all the other things being equal, and only in theory, so...

[@citizensteve6713]

They all use silicon. In the substrate of the processor is a chunk of silicon with the interconnects.

[@fredbompard7097]

I'm surprise that you didn't try to open the case to show us internal arrangement. 😅

[@pinsandscrews6459]

The lack of user control is the reason I walked away from ARC. Being completely limited to the basic display options in the Windows settings after being able to make personal adjustments in the NVidia control center just left me very disappointed.

[@ezforsaken]

don't worry it's worse for us in linux, intel still needs to work a ton of this

[@deeeezel]

What did you think you were getting from a company thats never made a gpu before ever in history?

[@ezforsaken]

@@deeeezel ? most gpus in the world are made by Intel, until recent years most gamers were just kids on integrated graphics playing whatever game their potato could muster

[@jothain]

Please in future get something like Shelly Plug or something and show us power usage from wall with hardware, please.

[@whette_fahrtz]

My kingdom for one of these miniPCs that list ECC support on their spec sheet. in fact, I'd love one that doesn't try to skirt this line of "its a miniPC for your desk! dual monitors and tons of I/O for accessories!" and "It's good enough for server class workloads". So many of them are good enough for that, in raw compute, but fall short in storage redundancy (just give me two m.2 slots) and 2.5GbE as the best networking you're probably gonna get. That Minisforum thing that has a low-height PCIe slot gets close, but Intel is still trying to screw over consumers by gating ECC behind "enterprise" SKUs, and Minisforums AMD version of the same box...gets rid of the PCIe slot!!! Gah!

[@melovescotch]

Agreed, only tiny form factor with ECC I've found so far is odroid H4

[@MoraFermi]

On intel's side, it's not ever going to happen. ECC has always been the exclusive domain of Xeons. On AMD side.. well, desktop parts do support it, so there's a good chance it will work. Laptop parts? Probably not.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@MoraFermi ECC on AMD needs to be enabled by BIOS, unless the manufacturer enables it it will not work. Even on desktop motherboards only some manufacturers/boards allow you to use ECC

[@marcogenovesi8570]

It's DDR5 so it's on-die ECC at least.

[@melovescotch]

@@MoraFermi Intel might be changing, there is Inband ECC now in some of their chips just need to flip an bios bit. yeah AMD builds with certain MB support ECC, but never NUC form factor.

[@eksquirrel1879]

I still feel like an MS-01 from minisforum is a better option here cheaper with similar usability. Though I don't know if the 12th gen CPUs have AV1 (en/de)code so maybe toss in like an A310 and it would still be cheaper.

[@alex75hgft]

How does it look inside? Would be good to see how the cooling it, how well it is designed, contact pads, etc... VRM cooling

[@ecu4321]

I think the latest miniaturized mac mini will give these nuc clones some competition. It doesn't even need a power brick

[@dhcpy]

Is it good for home CCTV video management? maybe with a specialized VMS? I wonder how can I take advantage of that H264 H265 capabilities...

[@rmcdudmk212]

Very cool little machine. If i had the cash i would love to have something this powerful in that form factor. Thanks for sharing CC 👍

[@ChromeBookChuck]

I was just watching your video on the 9800x3D and it stopped, said it was private and now is gone. Not even in my history. Did I hallucinate it?

[@C0SSTY]

Yeah I saw it too. It was probably a mistake because embargo ends in 2 days, so he wasnt allowed to make that video public, lets hope he will not have problems because of it.

[@gijoeljamesmaldonado]

I was just thinking that before I saw the gaming benchmarks.

[@CraftComputing]

It was mistakenly posted early.

[@gijoeljamesmaldonado]

@@KimBoKastekniv47 It's all he had. give him a break.

[@ChromeBookChuck]

@ I apologize if drawing attention to the situation will have a negative impact on the channel. I love your content (not always the beverage choices) and can’t wait for its official release.

[@denvera1g1]

I love the idea of this little box, would work well at my sister's house For my house I'd love something in the form factor of a 1U switch 14900T(but really i want it to be all E cores trading those 8 P cores for 32 additional E cores) 4 DIMMs 20 M.2 slots all with 1x link dual 10g Single qsfp+ a single PCIe slot with a 4X link Heck, those E cores on the arrow lake seem nice, i'd take a 285k trading those 8 P cores for 32 of the new E cores.

[@mikemason3776]

I’m wondering about what would be the best or most intuitive comparison for graphics benchmarks for those of us who don’t know too much about other similar CPUs, especially as many of us start homelabs out of frustration with modern tech services and it feels like more people are getting into it every day. I would have thought maybe comparing 3DMark and maybe even Cinebench scores with a Steam Deck? I know it doesn’t ship with Windows so it’s not 1:1, but it seems like a more intuitive comparison than relatively niche APUs. Not because this is a gaming machine necessarily but you get what I mean.

[@MegaStupidMonkeys]

The LP E-cores are not on the compute tile. They are directly built into the SOC tile.

[@basix250]

No PassMark score seems to be submitted yet so I’ll hold back for now but looks quite nice nonetheless

[@TheAsjdj]

The price is still to High imho.but that’s mostly due to where I live. I can buy the part of something that is a bit bigger but still cheaper. Its really annoying as I just want something small. Even power prices here is dirt cheap.

[@CraftComputing]

Meteor Lake 185H tray pricing is $606 by itself, so $989 for the complete PC actually isn't that bad.

[@TheAsjdj]

@@CraftComputing it’s not a bad price if you live US, as soon as you go to Denmark or Sweden the price goes insane. Import duty goes nuts and it kills it all. After duty it should cost around 700 euros and above sadly. It’s the sad life of getting these here in the Nordic area.

[@Cinghia117]

​@@TheAsjdj the situation is the same throughout Europe, even going further south, otherwise it would be enough to buy it in a shop in southern Europe

[@TheAsjdj]

@ IT stuff here is even considered “cheap” compared to what people earn here. It’s weird.

[@TheAsjdj]

When it comes to windows 11 home edition. If you plug-in whatever login and password at the login promted and it fails it will go over to the local account creation setup. At least that’s what happens to the EU version of windows 11 home version. It’s the only reason I still buy hole editions because I can bypass the setup with that.

[@thegeekykitten4689]

You can bypass the Online-Only accounts on any version of windows 11 as far as I am aware. OOBE\BYPASSNRO is a great option for this

[@CraftComputing]

US version forces online account. The EU actually has some consumer protections in place.

[@manicmarauder]

Looks interesting, but sad they don't offer it as a barebones. Looks like they have that extra profit cream baked in on the provided drives, ram, and OS.

[@kadancomputers]

Plex does work with the AMD encoder

[@SaarN1337]

Sometimes OEM drivers are different than official ones. If I install the OEM drivers for my Asus x13, it lets me tweak the wattage of my 4070, while any official nvidia driver has this feature locked (as in changing the tdp via CMD). I'm not using it because it's quite old (around a year old~), but it outperforms newer drivers.

[@Legaxy-ot7cg]

Since it's fall and soon winter, are you switching over to Stout beers? I'll take some beer suggestions :)

[@danieldougan269]

Left Hand milk stout and Breckenridge vanilla porter (I know, not a stout, but close) are great choices.

[@CraftComputing]

Those are both solid recommendations. If you want to go heavy for cheap, there's also the new Kirkland Vintage Stout from Costco. This year's is made by Deschutes, and is fantastic, especially for $10.

[@Z-GRADT]

3:25 harsh dig at old Xeons.

[@CraftComputing]

Truth hurts sometimes, and a lot has changed since 2017.

[@Z-GRADT]

@CraftComputing at least they're not $900. I'm not sure what people do with tons of CPU these days though. GPU kind of took over compute

[@bradeinarsen]

I want that cider so bad.

[@flying_rabbi]

Imagine this form factor with a sas controller onboard and a mini sas connector on the back, and somone like Orico making a compatible Jbod array. Homelabbers everywhere would be in a frenzy. I know I would 😁

[@jhautz817]

oops 9800x3d. LOL I saw half of it before it was gone anyway. Hope I get to watch the rest tomorrow !!!!

[@CraftComputing]

You didn't see anything 👋

[@jhautz817]

@CraftComputing see what? 😉😜

[@bluesquadron593]

What's up at 00:04? 😂 aaa now I see the beer glass is empty

[@DarthV506]

Be interesting when the cheaper models come out. Would make a great truenas scale cpu/gpu for plex transcoding. Or Plex could get off their asses and get hdr-sdr tonemapping under linux actually done!

[@makouille495]

im looking for a glass bottle to replace plastic (PET/G) bottles at my desk, if you ever have the time to add this kind of item to your merch i will get some for damn sure ! (thanks for sharing knowledge with us, from a French tech enjoyer !)

[@CraftComputing]

I don't plan on carrying any glass bottles, but I've done stainless steel waterbottles before. I was considering adding them to the store again.

[@makouille495]

@CraftComputing that would be lovely too ! (even better as it would be less breakable hehe) thanks for the reply ! looking forward to get one !

[@jadhal6649]

I want engrave . Inside of metal glass . Ex place a metal glass. Inside it engrave. , And put a metal glass outside glass ( SI ). So if we see watter . And engrave is outside of glass layer.

[@tvojejbabkydedko]

lets hope these arent oxidizing and killing itself

[@deeeezel]

You mean overvolting and killing itself? Im pretty sure you meant to say overvolting. Because the oxidation issue was just a theory 😂

[@mattrogers6646]

​@@deeeezelOxidation definitely happened in 2023, and was quietly corrected by Intel.

[@unclerubo]

Make this into an ITX motherboard with PCIe expansion and SATA ports and I'm listening.

[@Nelevita]

Im very very sick to hear p and e cores from intel.

[@agw5425]

Is there anyone in this community that can/has make/made a 2024 update for win xp? I would love to see a update that enable win xp to once again work as well as it once did (not expecting win 10/11 funktionality) so all my old cd/dvd pc games can work once again, perhaps even online. I think the ease of use would make xp updated be a viable option for us that can´t use linux (yet). What would it even require to make XP compatible with win 10 software/hardware without killing the old games in the proses like win 10 did.

[@superangrybrit]

Would be nice if we could buy MTL CPUs with a mini-itx mobo combo. 😐

[@philosoaper]

there's a 13500 in my server, it'll have to do for the time being

[@TC-hl1ws]

This or the new Mac Mini M4?

[@CraftComputing]

I've definitely got my eye on the new Mac Mini.

[@TC-hl1ws]

@@CraftComputing I'll be watching!

[@BenjaminSchollnick]

@@CraftComputing Definitely worth examining. I'm seriously considering upgrading from m1 Mac mini, and making the m1 my plex server.

[@ezforsaken]

so wait, this is a good homelab node, but theres no power management at all except for windows apps? this is ridiculous, why would i use this a a powerful node 'more powerful than stacks of old xeons systems' but I can't even say hey i want this to run at 35w!

[@repatch43]

Wow, that's just too much money for my lab

[@ewenchan1239]

At close to $989, you can DEFINITELY get a cheaper AMD system for SIGNIFICANTLY lower cost and not lose much in the way of performance. (And you save on power as well.) The $989 variant of this has 32 GB of DDR5-5600 RAM, and a 2 TB NVMe SSD. Compare and contrast that with the Minisforum MS-A1 with the 8700G, also 32 GB of DDR5-5200 RAM, and a 1 TB NVMe SSD, but that's priced at $729, which is a whole $260 less (or 26.3% cheaper) for only ~6.5% lower performance based on 3DMark Fire Strike. That's a pretty good deal if you ask me. I do recognise those, that I think with the MS-A1, you can only drive three displays rather than four, natively, out of the box. If you go with the MS-01 instead, at $839 for the 13900H, 32 GB, 1 TB, that's 15.1% lower price, and only 6.7% lower performance (in Cinebench R23), and the MS-01 has dual 10 GbE SFP+ ports, but again, also only supports upto 3 displays.

[@CraftComputing]

All good options. And it's nice to have options. Just because a product isn't the BEST deal on the market doesn't make it a bad product. This is less than half the size of the MS-01 or MS-A1, draws less power than the 8700G, is faster than both, and has a much smaller power brick. That might be worth $100-200 to someone over raw specs or 'value'.

[@ewenchan1239]

@@CraftComputing 100% agree.

[@smakfu1375]

It's not really a good soho/lab server option due to the very limited internal storage options and 64GB RAM max config. It's also overpriced, by about 200 bucks. As a general purpose mini-desktop, it's not bad, but I can't help but feel like it needs to be cheaper.

[@dionelr]

Yeah, Thanks Microsoft. My mother in law bought a laptop and it forced her to make a Microsoft account and somehow (don't ask me how, but my family always finds the loopholes) got their brand new account locked as a child account and they were unable to login. She never got in the laptop to begin with, so how that happened is beyond me. I reformatted it to Win10, created a local account, and was done with it.

[@KlausMingo]

Don't buy a product that has no BIOS tweaking, they're selling this to kids or something?

[@syswolf]

my MS-01 is still better.

[@MoraFermi]

2x2.5Gb in a server with this kind of a cpu is a significant bottleneck.

[@meatbyproducts]

Bluesky? Who uses that?

[@mattrogers6646]

Everyone abandoning the dumpster fire of misogyny and bigotry on Xhitter.

[@meatbyproducts]

@mattrogers6646 well it isn't that. X is actually petty nice now. Bluesky is a left leaning echo chamber. I steer clear of left and right echo chambers as they are horrible for mental health.

[@DangoNetwork]

2nd

[@ychto]

1st

[@ecu4321]

Facts

[@CraftComputing]

Wait, where NetGuy?

[@ychto]

@@CraftComputinglook all I wanted was to beat him to it :D