International Iron Man: Tony Stark's New Origin | Comics Explained

[@chrisclarke4665]

"Bendis writes a good story". Now that's a big fat lie right there.

[@VideoGameLedgen]

Christopher Clarke He can write good stories if he really tries/wants to, it's just sometimes Bendhis doesn't try as much or overestimates himself. He also really likes doing what he likes even if it doesn't fit the story. Civil war 2 has a perfect example of that, having miles and venom talking and fighting even though it has nothing to do with the story.

[@Dawings21]

Bhendis is good at laying foundations, the problem is that he never seems to be able to tie everything together neatly (like say Hickman or Johns)

[@jasonthomas5805]

He does when he actually thinks about what he's doing

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

I think the last good Bendis story he wrote was in 2003 in the book Alias with Jessica jones.

[@VideoGameLedgen]

Johnny Skinwalker You just gonna ignore his only consistently amazing series, ultimate spider-man?

[@wadewilson7000]

His brother might just not be mentioned because Bendis doesn't care about continuity

[@ironlordshellhead3415]

Wade Wilson That's so true.

[@batmanishere2093]

He fucking hates it and it's annoying as all shit.

[@donovanlarsen7982]

+Wade Wilson His brother probably won't be mentioned because he doesn't really have any relation to this story arc.

[@Brevincampbell12]

Donovan Larsen I agree

[@oscrmc8496]

changing Tony Stark's origin like this is a bad move. Tony is so much like Howard how can he be adopted?

[@josersreviews137]

Yep, Looks just like Howard, has his intelligence and other traits...but he's adapted, yep that makes a whole lot of sense...bah, I hope this is retconned with a quickness when a new writer takes over.

[@xero3251]

it has been official that he was adopted before this story, and adopting a kid that looks similar to you and is also super smart like you is unlikely, but not as unlikely as being bitten by a radioactive spider and gaining a bunch of powers that are roughly based on spiders or gamma rays turning you into a green rage monster that gains mass as it gets angrier, soooo

[@MANTLO-hv5di]

@@xero3251 you did a whole lot of mental gymnastics to justify bad writing

[@MRDUDE10373]

The song in the end is We'll Meet Again by Daniel Kadawatha. ;)

[@MarkusZM]

you know what's funny? Tony kept his mother's last name but in German. Stark means Strong in german xD

[@joerodriguez5079]

I am betting it's a great read but I really, really dislike these re-origin stories. Why this need to change something that already makes perfect sense. Tony is a Stark and like his father Howard in hurt his genius capability..... everything makes sense

[@TheTheDontae]

Joe Rodriguez often times in the comic books do you have to update classic origins so they make sense within the modern context with characters like Batman Superman and Spiderman that's unnecessary there Origins are timeless. but with heroes like ironman, Wonder Woman, daredevil and the punisher theres a challenge

[@joerodriguez5079]

Amazing Zero I completely agree with you. IF retelling/reimagining their origins are all we’re talking about then absolutely yes. I thought MCU Ironman was a perfect example of how to do that right though. They basically took the same origin and applied it to a modern day conflict setting in the Afghanistan area as opposed to where it originally happened, Vietnam. It’s still the same story so old folks can relate to it because it’s essentially the same and we understand the need to update it and young folks can relate to the events but are still blessed with receiving the, for all intents and purposes, the original origin. This however is not that. It’s rewriting, retconning Tony’s origin, maybe not the events that led him to take on and create the mantle of Ironman but arguably something even more important, his genetics. I mean it’s silly too think that a super scientist genius inventor like Howard Stark would be fortunate enough to adopt a super scientist genius inventor baby. I’m sorry but that’s just TOO much coincidence for me, even if it is in just a comic book. NOW if Tony Stark were say a clone of Howard adopted by Howard and named Tony then at least from a story telling perspective it at least makes sense. Sadly enough it’s easier to believe someone might try to clone Howard versus Howard miraculously being lucky enough to adopt a super genius baby….. that or Howard took the Terry McGuiness route and rewrote young Tony’s DNA as a baby to inherit not only Howards genius but his general physical look and characteristics too.

[@TheTheDontae]

Joe Rodriguez as of right now they are playing a little fast and loose with a few things involving Tony Starks individual aspects. but as for his genius they may be implying a nature versus nurture thing where being around Howard. Tony growing up to idolize his father and then becoming a reflection of the very dad he wanted to surpasses very young Tony Stark into applying himself to become a genius. Your biological clone theory would've been cool, but they kinda have a complicated past and the genetic upgrade origin covered with his step brother.

[@LeAndre_McCoy]

That's not how genetics works, so no, that doesn't make sense. You don't inherit genius DNA.

[@LeAndre_McCoy]

That's not how genetics works, so no, that doesn't make sense. You don't inherit genius DNA.

[@jakobsrensen1684]

Bendis has not removed Arno he has simply forgotten him like he does with most things

[@Blxckstar]

They've changed Tony Starks origin literally 3 times in the last 3 years

[@captaincomic8678]

"Bendis hasn't lost his touch?" Since when did he even have a touch to begin with?

[@jokerz7936]

I call Bullshit Marvel, Tony looks like Howard and is a genius like Howard. Maria should had demanded some DNA test.

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

Jason Trickle Same with Quicksilver. He looks EXACTLY like a young Magneto....but they're not related anymore...

[@zetarise9376]

"looks like Howard" I look like some others latinos from time to time, does that mean I'm somehow related to all of them? No. A lot of people look alike, doesn't mean everyone is closely related.

[@someguynamedtrevor6081]

Tony's stark dad looks Howard stark does that mean Jude is Howard's son too

[@thejordyoshi]

In the MCU, both Doctor Strange and Tony look like Sherlock Holmes. They must be related.

[@zetarise9376]

Gwen Stacy and Emma Frost have blond hair, they also must be related! Oh and Marry Jane and Pepper Potts! Wait a second, Tony Stark and Doctor Strange have facial hair, they're totally related as well!

[@darthvader421]

No just no I can't see Tony being adopted. It ruins the character for me.

[@ultra4488]

I dont mind :/

[@ultra4488]

Besides its cannon so unless the universe collapses again u have to stick with adopted tony

[@elinicoritale6384]

Why? Does that make him any different?

[@BadBeard27]

I dont like that either

[@dr2407]

i like that he was adopted it really puts the nature vs nurture argument into the forefront

[@daemonblackfyre3238]

Tony and Peter both have agent parents. Future team up?

[@Dawings21]

I am always up for anything Tony related, he is one of the few characters I actually enjoy from Marvel. I think a lot of people (myself included) are just worried that with the death of Rhodes, Tony's name was written on the wall and we were going to just get a somewhat lazy Cap 2.0. I don't know how I feel with him taking a back seat as it only just feels like they have stopped trying to drag him through the dirt.

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

Aww I hope they don't completely get rid of Arno (or however his name is spelled), I liked him.

[@joluoto]

Typical Bendis. "If it's not written by me it's not continuity" attitude. Can't really say if I like it or not, was not that attached to Tony's old origin, and I'm not sure if the fact that he's adopted will have any importance at all.

[@elinicoritale6384]

It doesn't xD

[@HSlSerathis]

I always like it when the characters are more in depth and not only combat action.

[@tromusic7815]

Tony, Tony, Tony Stark-uh He been working on his armor

[@tromusic7815]

Bendis needs to be removed from the writing staff like he removed Arno from existence.

[@thebananamelon5065]

I love how DC and Marvel starting dealing with real problems again. Like being adopted, or learning to cope with the loss of losing your parents, or taking responsibility.

[@officepaperclip3688]

I have never read a comic in my life and your videos are seriously on the verge of changing that. you make it far more interesting than I've ever been shown. and quite concise. I've already subbed!

[@TheTheDontae]

This is were Bendis is at his strongest in which he has tunnel vision for single character tony stark has needed this arc. His Origin has only been updated but hasn't been modified or touched and this is really fantastic this what I wanted marvel all new and all different thank you.

[@sempai4056]

So basically he was adopted. That's lame.

[@nabhanq]

eyyy lmao

[@azozazoz2131]

I honestly don't like this re-origin story to be honest.

[@azozazoz2131]

Wait, i said both honestly and honest....darn grammars, my bad.

[@62cents]

You want cancer? Cause that's how you get cancer.

[@azozazoz2131]

+62cents No, but I got a Batanit-troll spray to fix your nonsense

[@MrAicex3000]

funny.

[@plsdontbeahero]

ALEX JR ESCALANTE he's not funny...

[@justwungo]

It's Bendis making Stark a Bendis character. I'm kinda sick of Bendis characters.

[@thunderlordpikachu9537]

How much did they pay you to say nice things about this?

[@SuperShanko]

Rob: "I have no idea what you're talking about, now please excuse me, I have to polish my solid gold rocket car again.... _peace!_"

[@zetarise9376]

Why assume he's being paid, it's pretty insulting to think of such a thing, have you not seen his other videos of how critical he can be towards Marvel? Don't be so blinded.

[@thunderlordpikachu9537]

***** I was being humorous.

[@zetarise9376]

Kinda hard to figure that out with simple texts

[@thunderlordpikachu9537]

***** That's the internet for you.

[@Gasobone]

the auto-generated subs work really well with your videos, I love that

[@dparkertex]

I like this story ...very deep ...we need more like it marvel

[@markherron1407]

Tony Stark aka IRON MAN of the AVENGERS is 3 of Clubs ♣♣♣Happy Birthday to IRON MAN Blessings and HUGS! 👑💜

[@DerektheDalek]

Personally I think this origin was far too boring, especially since after all the hype it's two people we've never heard of and don't care about. It would have been far more interesting to have Tony's father turn out to be Phillip Watson, MJ's drunk and deadbeat hack writer father who at a younger age had been incapable of raising Tony and given him for adoption. This would allow a greater reason for MJ's inclusion and set up a new and interesting sibling relationship between Tony and MJ as half brother and sister, and a reason to bring the Iron Man and Spider-Man books closer together.

[@greatvaluebleach2370]

Bruh.

[@bigpimpin1345]

DerektheDalek that shit would have been dope asf

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Or Tony's dad was the Ancient One in Tibet.

[@theretronerds2011]

excellent idea

[@Doctor_Odin]

what is Tony's dad was still Howard Stark with Tony being made in a vat as a result of a failed super soldier project. trying to make him a super soldiers from birth. make the drama about him not actually being born but made.

[@papajcina]

Karen Gillan? Like...Amy Pond and Nebula

[@donovanlarsen7982]

Fun Fact: Tony Stark's biological mother's name is Amanda Strong; Stark also means strong.

[@fkamhawi]

whats the name of the song at the end of the video?

[@aaronstieglbauer3030]

could someone please write down the name of the song that is played at the end of the video?

[@FUBLU3]

I know this is a L-O-N-G shot, but I really feel as though MARVEL Studios could use this storyline when it comes time to recast Ironman. It works damn near perfectly for new and old audiences!

[@thomasardis467]

That was great rob! I really love how in depth you get with your videos and this explained a great deal and gave more depth to Tony stark made him a better character! keep up the great work good sir

[@AkzidenzGrotezk]

Rob, gota say, really loving the content lately. Keep it up!

[@bradleykramer2824]

I remember an Iron Man Annual from I believe the 70s or 80s where King Arthur's wizard, Merlin, transported both Iron Man and Doctor Doom into the future. In one sequence, Tony in armor confronted Arno Stark also in armor. Tony, wielding Excalibur, was able to defeat Arno Stark in a vastly more powerful Iron Man armor. Doctor Doom learned that Tony was inside the armor, but Merlin wiped that knowledge from Victor.

[@4wheelstalking]

wow man I am loving this story line it is so down to earth , just like real life with its twist and turns ups and downs etc , etc it's just real .

[@princelitex]

could you tell the name of the song that was played towards the end(12:04) please. Thanks.

[@5599Psalm23]

I have never heard a more interesting comic since WWH in My opinion I hope to see more on this series.

[@1nders1]

I can gravitate towards the idea that Tony was self-destructive because he was never really himself.

[@greatvaluebleach2370]

I actually missed Arno but Arno has disappeared without a trace in the comics ever since a few years ago. He started fading a little before Superior Iron man. All of a sudden Brian Bendis finally refrains from shying away the secret origin story like it never happened wayyy later. I only remember Arno in Secret origins, Secret wars: Armor wars, Original sin and maby some other comic and then Arno just went X-Files. Boy was I so disappointed when I figured out that Arno was gone when I started reading Superior Iron man a while back.

[@emilepetersen4492]

the song playing at 12.04, what is the name of the song and artist please?

[@arthurdotson9579]

After the approach with Superior Iron Man, showing how dark Stark could get, this story is a nice touch to show a more "feels" side to the character, and it hits all the right spots. (Rob, did you ever do a Superior Iron Man video???)

[@terancemelvin8048]

Great video👍. in your videos explain everything so well it seems like you do hours of research for each video. That is why you're on of my favorite channels on KZbin

[@mastermike890]

whats that song at the end from?

[@aleksandarsidnjenko1648]

It is very nice story. Thnx for explanation this side comic of Ironman and side storyline of a Avenger.

[@bensweet7025]

Really like this!! Arno was cool and all, but the origin was a bit loco - I really like the more grounded approach, I think it touches home more

[@963essential]

bendis is the best marvel villian ever

[@Masebennetts]

hell shit, we dont know the outro song

[@xero3251]

The song in the end is We'll Meet Again by Daniel Kadawatha

[@Haskin225]

Woah woah you just glazed over her killing Jude. That's crazy out the blue.

[@RusselEvans13]

Pretty cool actually. A fresh origin isn't always a bad thing.

[@alexseitsinger]

“Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath borne me on his back a thousand times;" We can't help but be reminded of Hamlet with the cover.

[@williambrown873]

I like the idea of Tony Stark having living family members. I liked this story a lot more than the one they introduced Arno in.

[@sarkastikleader4708]

I never knew why Bendis took so much flack from people. I really like his writing, especially, with GoTG and of course, Ultimate Spider-Man. Some stories aren't that great but for the most part, he's good at laying groundwork for a character.

[@indrajitray1414]

great video Rob!!

[@JordanEromonsele]

What is that outro song?! I can't find it anywhere!!

[@xero3251]

The song in the end is We'll Meet Again by Daniel Kadawatha

[@zetarise9376]

Sometimes I don't understand the viewpoint of something being terrible writing when they themselves don't even read it and base their thoughts on second hand resources. But aside from that, the writing has been really spectacular for Tony for a good while, although I am more of a fan of his 250-320ish issues, I am down for this too.

[@user-rp2jo2yu3r]

What's the song used at the end?

[@travispollett2120]

Great video and an interesting retelling. I'm not positive how I feel about it but I also haven't read the actual story; just watched this video. I would definitely love a complete in depth history of shield. The more in depth the better as far as I'm concerned.

[@jovskyolidemz]

do you have idea what is this song being play by at the end of the comics of your?

[@RickyLawrence8100]

The genetic engineering of Howard Starks not present in Tony's Starks DNA makes the whole Stark name Moot. Can't believe Marvel will go there

[@brocktonsfinest20]

12:04 - BEST PART! Can anyone ID it?

[@xero3251]

its called we'll meet again, I forget the artist's name though

[@brocktonsfinest20]

​@@xero3251 Correct. Shazam ID' the artist as Volcano Peaks. In case anyone wants to know.

[@mikemann9304]

what artist plays the music at the end of this video

[@Mrsierramist1]

The problem with comics in general is that fans want change, but they don't want change. It is the ultimate paradox.

[@AJZulu]

I like the idea of doing a more personal story of Tony Stank....:D

[@kylerrariden8909]

At first, I thought this story was a bad idea. I think that has to do mainly to my attachment to what I had already known about Stark's heritage. However, I think it means to point out the shock and denial that Tony would feel, just like how the readers feel. This I think is clever because the story relates to the reader in this way. This way being the shock and denial we feel about knowledge that defies logic. I also really like this story because it really grounds Tony into a more humanistic and relatable character despite his badass exterior. Besides, could you imagine if this story fit into the Marvel Cinematic Universe? A perfect plot for another Iron Man movie. It's after Captain America: Civil War, and Tony is left to deal with the shock of everything revealed to him in the film about himself and who he thinks his parents are. On top of that, Pepper seems to be leaving him. With this, Tony goes into an existential crisis and embarks on this personal journey where he finds out who his real parents are. Then in Infinity War, Tony will be ready to team up with the Avengers again, and finally move on.

[@johnlemus7921]

I really liked Arno and Tony's dynamic.

[@SteveJonesGamingGWO]

Secret warriors confirms that SHIELD is a Hydra subsidiary so it's technically always been deeper than Jude.

[@ipodkillzz]

What's the song at the end? I've been looking so hard for it but I can't find the name

[@Brojest]

So far, all I could make out is "you should never doubt it's true" and "you're the one on my mind". What did you come up with? Maybe we can find it together if nobody here knows the song.

[@brocktonsfinest20]

Even shazam couldn't ID it -__-

[@NutronicAtomic]

Yeah I've been looking everywhere. I think it might be from a youtuber, but no idea where to look if it's not Monstercat :/

[@JordanEromonsele]

Brojest it's I have not forgotten you

[@brocktonsfinest20]

Felt like I tried every method and still cant find it & the only one who knows is the the guy who uploaded the video. We could spam his page or the comment section demanding it i guess? lol

[@ipodkillzz]

Song at the end?

[@xero3251]

The song in the end is We'll Meet Again by Daniel Kadawatha

[@likenem]

They stole Seto Kaiba's orgin story.

[@antwan1357]

That is like Bruce Wayne discovering that he was adopted ,and he finds his genetic parents ,which would be a very big deal.

[@antwan1357]

Soap opera, boring ......

[@whatduexpect4585]

I hate when multiple writers keep changing and retconing origins and then try to run with someone else's origin but modify it a little. Reminds me of moon knight. Too much past not enough future. But this wasn't bad i think its plausible but doesn't interest me. Iron man has already done so much with one origin its hard to think a new origin will change his character or his future at all so it seems pointless change his past.

[@infamoswordz]

Rob thanks for this one! I remember requesting this a while back. Great video! OK I'm not being greedy well maybe I am lol could you please cover the story where Archangel becomes Apocalypse and the madness that follows? It was a pretty awesome story in my humble opinion. Actually there was another one where Wolverine became Apocalypse and I don't mean a horseman lol. It was an age of Apocalypse follow up.

[@jamesgarcia6675]

great video! thanks brotha!

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

This was a better paced story than CWII, but it doesn’t change the fact that this basically a tweaked version of Peter Parker's parents' story. It was a completely benign story. It changes nothing (he's name will still be Stark, for one), and thus means nothing.

[@sirtaffe]

I Like the story just can't wrap my brain around that he ish incredibly smart just because of his upbringing and chance

[@HeavyHandsHistory]

sweet video man

[@notsosmartguy6254]

Maybe it's cause I am adopted myself and am curious about my own parents I really liked this new origin. While I agree it's kinda convuluted with the Gillen stuff I think him not being Howards biological son doesn't change nearly as much as people think it does.

[@EmmanuelAniTheSchism]

the concept of Arno Stark in all new all different Marvel is that the his parents would never mention him

[@coryphilippe4364]

Can you start making more videos on the old man Logan comics please

[@Griezz]

The weird thing about this, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that for most of Marvel's live-action movie history, when they have a popular character, and changes are made to the character for the movie, Marvel has a habit of changing the comics to reflect the movies. Remember how, during the period of the initial X-men movies, Marvel not only switched the X-Men's colorful costumes for black leather uniforms, but actually temporarily changed the appearance of both Mystique and Toad to reflect their movie appearances. Similarly, when the original Sam Raimi Spider-Man films gave Peter organic webbing, rather than the traditional web-shooters, Marvel redid the comics so that their Spidey also had organic webbing. But this case seems to be completely different. It has long been established that Tony Stark is the only child of Howard and Maria Stark; he had to be, or the effects of the Barnes revelation wouldn't mean as much to him. Yet whether or not Arno Stark still exists, we see that Tony is still adopted., something going completely away from the movie history. So I have to wonder... is this a case of Marvel not caring any more, since they have plans to eliminate Tony Stark entirely?

[@Nickknows00]

eh what a lame story, nothing exciting here

[@derekwst3-YGO]

read the story, its better than this video could offer

[@RayXGames]

+Derek I read it and, with respect to all the people that enjoyed it...to me it was utter garbage. I'm not gonna touch the fact that Tony being adopted feels very stupid and unnecessary to me. It's just that we got another boring story about shield agents who had a kid. It happened many times already and I would really like a character, whose parents were just regular guys.

[@manilastreetsweeper5890]

+RayXGames guys?

[@saiyan1485]

great job sir great video

[@Alistair3900]

interesting that you brought up the edge Hydra typically has over SHIELD, I'm assuming you know, but have you read Jonathan Hickman's Secret Warriors?, As that story is all about how Hydra has controlled SHIELD, and was partially adapted for the winter soldier film. It's not a concept referenced as often as it should, mostly because of how it's sort of hard to use, but there's no reason that it's not still in continuity, and characters from it have popped up recently in Spencer's captain America run.

[@shaneedmundson7506]

I love this series. I'm currently enjoying Sam Wilson: Captain America and The Amazing Spider-Man, both #CivilWar2 tie ins. This is where Rob and I disagree on the CW2 series and tie ins.

[@paulbrown5941]

Rob do a run down on step and wolf as we know he is the next villain and people will get a quick heads up

[@mitrikgaduk347]

I actually don't mind this at all, actually I think it might be a good thing for Tony. There's something about heroes that most of them either have very little family (Peter Parker and Aunt May) or have none at all at a biological level for the most part (Bruce Wayne, not counting Batwoman or the Talon, forgot his name). Seeing Tony being able to get to know his Mother might actually prove beneficial to him, my question is what he takes from this, and if it changes him as a person.

[@DaytonDavinchi]

Great Work

[@treshawnsimmons6221]

could u do a vid on whose technology prowess is better between tony stark and bruce wayne? i know tony has his suit bur bruce reverse engineers extraterrestrial tech

[@majinsole8554]

Maybe I missed this, but do they explain how he just happens to be a genius like Howard Stark? Billionaire, playboy, philanthropist while adopted I can see, but the genius doesn't just happen... ~_~

[@papajcina]

Maybe that's where Tony went in Marvel NOW!... to meet his mother

[@T.K.Fischer]

It's funny. IIRC, it was Tony Stark who originally convinced Nick Fury to join SHIELD.

[@EmptyBuddha92]

As Caped Joel and That C-Monster say, "Honey Bendis don't give a fuck"

[@whatduexpect4585]

By the way, when are you finally gonna make a comic book rob? If u could have any artist and cowriter who would u pick.

[@jayslay2770]

The white nick fury is a beast....now the black 1 his adopted son...kinda cheesy but i like all 3 nick furys

[@rem_gamez]

Martha!!!

[@p-series3929]

Exactly why the movies are better than the comics now

[@NelsonStJames]

International Iron Man was a great read. I wish the book could have continued, because the line that the story continues in the Invincible Iron Man comic was a lie. I have the feeling that the threads left by this series will never be picked up again.