Internet is Divided - Do We Have TOO MANY GARAGE OUTLETS?

[@ulbebulbe]

These videos make for a perfect example of why hiring a pro, actually saves money :/

[@jamessutherland2011]

Fire Safety, I don’t see where you have a fire separation between your garage and your living space. You should have two layers of sheet rock on the garage ceiling and the stairwell before you take occupancy. Also, the door for the stairs should be fire rated with a closer installed. You should not store any flammable liquid or chain saws in your garage until this is complete. As I see it, your upstairs living space has only one exit and this is close to the stairway. I know your beautiful house is not done yet but please don’t put your beautiful family at risk. I’m not criticizing, I do this for a living. You guys are the greatest!

[@MikeZMonroe]

Plus a temporary handrail at the least

[@trevor33jan1]

Another day of wiring, Jesse its only a garage mate, just run the wires and boxes and get it done...... a week already......really !!!!!!

[@jamesallen8838]

50 years as an electricrian, contractor and engineer. Mostly in high rise buildings. Love you two and your life plans. BUT You are scaring me with your wiring. A number of things ( I think you said ) don’t make sense 😱

[@richardclapp9875]

A little knowledge is dangerous, I feel bad for who ever buys this house years from now

[@jcross8380]

There's a reason that an electrician's apprenticeship is 8,000 hours and about 600 classroom hours before they can even test to see if they can do the work. Think about that for a minute. Also does your home owners insurance sign off on you wiring it

[@selmo666]

Likes his own voice....

[@peterj5869]

Better with the sound off!

[@NuclearSavety]

Short answer Yes ... long answer yyyeeeessssss

[@Ps114REXIVD]

Woah that's a lot of outlets...🤣🤣

[@crazyboy-gz3jm]

Mistakes are part of learning. The only people who don't make mistakes don't do anything.

[@ELIRAXPRT]

I’d surface mount in the garage with conduit. Makes adding or changes much easier later on for tools. No such thing as too many outlets in a garage

[@michaelmeek2457]

46 years as an electrician I knew you were in for a lot of headaches using sips. Everyone remember Rome wasn't built in a day. It takes time and alot patience building a home the way you are. Get your self a double tool pouche so you can have your tools and wire connectors handy. Anyway keep up the good work. Want to see your little helper soon.

[@SFCRambo60]

Why do you shut the whole power off? You should run all the wiring and hook up the circuit breaker than set it into the main box with circuit breaker in the off position than flip the breaker without shutting down all the power. I am scared to death of electricity but as I know, there is no power until the circuit is finished when you flip the circuit breaker on. You are doing 20 times to much work.

[@Rambizzle454]

Stop killing us with the music

[@Rl469]

Hill Bros. I love the music!

[@RoyBlumenthal]

It's such a pity you don't have enough outlets in that garage!

[@dangooding1925]

I think you should have built the entire wall out of outlet boxes. Then wait a year and just spackle over whatever you don't use.

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

Given the number of outlets on different circuits may I suggest you label each individual outlet with its supply point to reduce future errors.

[@jamesjacobs7612]

you never have enough outlets, even if you rarely use them you will be glad they are there.

[@petski999]

For someone who lived for several years on a single extension cord, you do seem to be overcompensating😉

[@williamosteen5500]

Agreed !!

[@crazycrittersranchallcritt5348]

In my opinion there are never enough outlets in a house or garage. As long as your breaker can carry all of those boxes if they are being used at same time...go for it! If you have the power and money to support each box it is up to you no one else!

[@stefen1946]

You can never have to many outlets in a garage. If you plan on running tools or maybe a little wood shop later on it will be well needed.

[@benwoodhams4784]

I don't care how many outlets you put in , you still won't have one where you need it.

[@altonwren7890]

So true it's called Murphy's law

[@kahvac]

For a garage I like to have 2-3 receptacles per breaker and also some dedicated beakers to specific outlets for heavier loads... up to you.

[@williamosteen5500]

Agree !

[@vxnova1]

There is no such thing as too many outlets, the more the better and the bigger current the better. There is always new and innovative ways to make use of electricity

[@Printer471]

You can never have too many outlets, too much money or too many M&Ms.

[@mattivirta]

normal garage today have outlet both side wall and ewery 5 meter. live normal room only ewery corner have 2-socket one outlet box,thats have 2 socket x 4 corneri= 8 socket /room =one fuse/room outlets, mean normal have 2-4 outlet/room ewery corner. light have minmum 2 light to roof ewery room and ewery light line own fuse mean 2 fuse minimum one room light, if fuse break no stay black room newer have second fuse and light on if first fuse break off.

[@johno186]

Living in a house with way too few outlets, means I drool over any house that has many outlets! Even the garage has only 1 quad plug set, on a full 20amp circuit. Love that you are putting in quads every 4 ft on the 2 main walls.

[@kurtarmbrust]

When you come off of the GFCI on the post, do it from the unprotected hot side. When that wire gets to the wall, install another GFCI. Same for the inside/outside outlets by the garage.

[@royeyk]

If all you are going to do in your garage is park cars, you have too many outlets. If you want to have a shop or several different types of work area and want to store and charge tools, you don't have enough and they are in the wrong places. Don't ask me what the right number of outlets is or where they should be placed. I got my dream garage 23 years ago with room for four cars or two and a nice shop with room for gardening stuff, and even big power tools. 12 inside outlets and I have nowhere to put anymore bike, tool, yard tool, etc battery chargers.

[@OlavvanGerven]

The only concern I have is, that there might be to many outlets in one circuit. Check if there is a regulatio about the nominal power to calculate with the circuits (i.e. 200 Watt per outlet), that way you can simply calculate how many outlets you can have in a circuit. Another concern is, if there is a regulation on how many outlets you can put in a chain. There might be a restriction on that too.

[@stephensaines7100]

There certainly are regulations. And not just on the number of duplex outlets (nominally ten, depending on a number of factors and the jurisdiction), but what also comes into play is the number of *splices*! Again, local jurisdictions may vary, but none will be far off of the ten. 12 duplex is the max I'm aware of for 20A circuits.

[@williamvanderven4672]

The next time I see I see that shirt better be you burning it.

[@edwardkie380]

When I built my house ... I went every 4' on my walls for outlets... I added a box for cable /TV and phone hook ups on the 6' ... I had a under stair brain center .. all my security two wire's went there and all my TV wires ended there upstairs in my master bed closet had a box for total home phone patches ... If you install a deep fiberglass "Roman" tub be sure to wrap it in insulation on the underside, it keeps the water warmer longer if ya do ... Loved having more outlets once in the house loved having phone / sterio speaker connections and Multiple TV signals all available on every wall it's nice .. at the time we were young not much in furnishings ..I wasn't sure what and or where "things" would end up on walls .. so having multiple outlets for support long term worked out very well and it wasn't gaudy looking ... Tables chairs cabinets shelves and cradenzas could move with out a ton of wires showing ... Now days with hung flat screen TV's power and signal boxes up high mid wall or above keep more wires out of view also ... Things to keep in mind as you lay out the upstairs ..love from Phoenix Ed writes..

[@lenc7416]

Suggestion: While you are adding cricuits to the garage--how about a wall light over the outside access power panel. Presently a step ladder and flashlight is needed for the outside power panel.

[@robbates3309]

I believe Franklin said nothing certain except for death and taxes....and never enough plugs in a garage

[@daleatkinson3453]

Amount outlet is great but not on all the same circuit.

[@williamosteen5500]

Agreed !!!

[@chrishelms1967]

Ummm whats up with that shirt??

[@broncosis]

In my jurisdiction it might be a pain to have this many every 3 of those boxes would require a home run. If your garage was detached and not part of your dwelling space that part changes. But here you are limited to 12 devices per circuit if it has a plug in it.

[@johnnaylor4348]

Only thing I'm worried about is the position of the receptacle box at your stairs . You may be in for a big surprise when you get the drywall and paint done and go to put up a grab rail and code put's it crossing through the face of your receptacles

[@brianschmitt5227]

they are putting a wall up there and its only a temp I believe.

[@barrynicholls3467]

no problem with lots of outlets, just to much load! In the UK (my country) we use a ring main. Where we run a cable in and out from each outlet which then returns to the same breaker. Then if part of the ring fails its only normally only one outlet that fails. But you can run one wire to an outlet from the ring (a spur) but only the number you can run from a ring is limited. We are not allowed to daisy chain outlets. The normal cable size is 2.5mm T&E (twin & earth). for a ring main 230V ac 50Hz 30A lighting is 1.5mm or 1mm. Not sure if its any better that USA!

[@dessilverson161]

With you Barry. I too UK sparky and I think the US way is a bit strange to say the least. Its a bit like the old radial systems. Wire nuts ???

[@michaelholliday100]

Are you stating 30 Amps at 220 volts/circuit? (6,600 Watts) That is the insane. That equals 55 Amps at 120 volts. In the US a standard home circuit is 15 Amps for most circuits and 20 Amps in a few specific situations.

[@trwsandford]

You can't have too many outlets! That's like complaining about too much beer in the fridge, or too much money in the bank!

[@parsonroy]

Never can have too many outlets!

[@chrism2042]

Too many receptacles is no problem, too many on a circuit is a problem. 10 max on a 20 amp circuit, I seldom go over 8 general purpose receptacles on a 20 amps circuit in buildings that I engineer. Then have a few dedicated circuits in the garage. Each receptacle is counted as 180 volt-amps, (20A x 80% = 16A x 120v = 1920 volt-amps) Never load a circuit, panel or disconnect greater than 80% of it's capacity

[@joephillips6634]

Looks like he did 12 receptacles eh?

[@michaelholliday100]

Yes... Thank you for stating it so clearly. I cringe when I see some wiring by others...

[@chrism2042]

@@michaelholliday100 - I have cringed watching this from slab up.

[@wmrg1057]

Never too many outlet, but you don't have enought circuits. GFI in the breaker pannel and call it a day

[@davesmewing2534]

I have been watching all the problems regarding the rules and code of electrical wiring in the US. I am so happy to live in the UK our wiring system is much more logical and easier to install. I have seen electrical systems in many countries where I have worked and the UK system is better than any I have seen. I wish Jessie good luck with his wiring I am sure it will be worth all the effort in the end.

[@KevinCoop1]

Dave Smewing Please do not base your decisions on these videos. He really has no idea what he is doing.

[@davesmewing2534]

@@KevinCoop1 HI Kevin, I have worked in the US on electrical equipment and am familiar with the systems and therefore speak from first hand experience. It was just a personal observation.

[@wallykramer7566]

Our 1950s house was originally wired as though copper was as precious as gold. It was all electric (baseboard heaters, electric water heater, etc.) yet the kitchen had just four outlets in it, one for the electric 240 volt range, one behind the refrigerator, and two behind the counters (one at each end). We moved in about 12 years ago and after less than a year, we'd had enough: demolition to studs, walled over an extra kitchen doorway, ran a water line for refrigerator with an icemaker and installed an actual hood over the range instead of a dubious ceiling exhaust fan. There is now an outlet every 8 inches over the counters (power strips) for a total of 21 outlets (on four 20 amp circuits). And no, it wasn't that hard to do though it did seem overkill at times. But it most definitely is not. We can have two blenders, a food processor, toaster, microwave, stand mixer, computer, and many other devices all running at once! Life is great now.

[@spencertaylor144]

You can NEVER have too many outlets!! One thing that I like to do is use a label maker to make a sticker to put on the back of every face plate for every outlet and switch marking exactly which breaker will shut it off. That way their is no guessing, just take the face plate off and boom I need to shut off breaker "C-2".

[@paulstephenson9664]

When i was an apprentice electrician here in the UK my tutor ALWAYS taught me " better to be looking at the cable it than for it" in other words better long than short. 👍

[@Gizmologist1]

This is why learning to run conduit will save you time and money in the long run.

[@lanehilton2360]

Just wondering if Jess will show how many violations he gets on his first rough-in inspection. I see no grounds being tied together in the boxes and that is a big problem. Hope he got some greenies when he got more yellow wire nuts, me I prefer the tan ones.

[@maikvogel6632]

Some time there will be a workbench on one wall, and then you are happy of every outlet! Keep on! Greetings from Germany!

[@wlanmike]

Wall outlets are better than extension cords for safety. try using Electrical Wire pulling Soap when pulling in the SIPs, it should help reduce the friction, during the pull.

[@dcbowling80]

If it were me, I'd have 4 dedicated 20 amp outlets for compressors, table saws, etc. I'd also probably only put 4- 6 per circuit, unless they're only there so you know you can always reach one with the majority not being used.

[@prohrerjr]

Running wire while wearing a skid mark tee-shirt. Priceless! :)

[@marcdedouallier3209]

Anyone that says you have too many outlets is deluded :-) You can never have enough outlets... The only thing you might struggle with is overloading a circuit.... But if you plan it out right you can just move some of the plugs to a new circuit..

[@ghos282]

Only the Homeowner can determine for themselves, if they have enough outlets for Their purposes in Their Own House. (As long as they satisfy the requirements of the local Electrical Codes).

[@glennsibbitt6729]

Yeah there are lots... your home, your decision, easier now than later. Screw the haters !!

[@vaalrus]

In a garage/workshop? No such thing as too many outlets. Perhaps not enough circuits, but never too many outlets.

[@debbienavratil8299]

I would like you to start using the ladder correctly and not stand on the top step. The is not working safely on this type of ladder.

[@weels1886]

Can never have too many in a garage (as long as they're not all on one breaker)!

[@willieobermann5305]

I wonder why he has to rebuild the stairs? What have I missed?

[@adiefender]

GFCI can be done in the wall or at the panel. Thing is the panel GFCIs are more spendy. Instead of the twisty wire nuts, use the push connectors. $8 for 100 isn't bad pricing and they are reusable. IMO they hold the wires better and you can see if the wires are embedded all the way.

[@stephensaines7100]

[Thing is the panel GFCIs are more spendy.] Multiples more, and they require more work installing, as the neutral pigtail must also be connected. There's reports of them being more problematic than the outlet ones too. Quite often the unbalance in the line is detected less accurately in the breaker...or at least, with only one leg of a feed being behind a GFCI outlet, the chances of being tripped by false leakage detection is less. Perhaps some of the newest ones are a lot better than those available a decade back?

[@jaynehemmings8552]

Did I hear you correctly that you have to replace the stairs as well? My OCD is on high alert with all those wires. Better you than me 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@mfarends]

Yes you do.

[@knitvids]

Never too many outlets! By the way..love the music selections!

[@taylorlightfoot]

Anything connected to the LOAD side of the GFCI is now protected by that GFCI. Install the GFCI at st first outlet in your circuit run and connect everything downstream to the LOAD terminals on the GFCI outlet.

[@selightfritz642]

You can never have to many outlets in a workshop/garage.... I wish more builders understood this! if you use them once they are paid for!

[@williammiller7543]

You NEVER have too many outlets. You might find you'll run out of AMPS first. One high amp plugin makes the other outlets sketchy.

[@larrywilliams3620]

You can never have too many outlets😎😎😎

[@CemlynJones1952]

It has nothing to do with anyone else. Put in as many as you want. You will not be using them all at the same time anyway.

[@wphubert]

You can never be too rich, too thin and have too many outlets.

[@hnobleh]

All youu need at the top of the conduit is bushing. Get a split plastic bushing and you won't have to pull the wire out.

[@KevinCoop1]

hnobleh NEC specifically calls out a fitting. Article 334.

[@ke5kqc]

NO it is your house do what ever you like period......

[@seecarlashoot3661]

I love you guys, but that harpsichord music up to 8:18 was making my skin crawl. Please do not use that again!

[@Bubblegoose]

If your code requires an RCD/GFI outlet to be the first on the run, and you can't use a RCD/GFI Breaker, that's actually insane. What if you drill into the wire between the outlet and the breaker? You should just have all RCD/GFI Breakers (or what we call RCBO's which are a circuit breaker and RCD in one) for all circuits in the panel and be done with it.

[@stephensaines7100]

[What if you drill into the wire between the outlet and the breaker?] Then it's always the breaker itself that will trip, not a GFCI. Are you British or South African/Australian? Your acronyms aren't North-Am. What you propose would jack costs way up unnecessarily.

[@Bubblegoose]

Stephen Saines forger drilling. What happens if you touch the active wire somehow, and you’re touching ground somewhere else? The breaker isn’t going to do anything. You are going to get a boot. Having the “GFI” in the panel prevents that from being an issue. It wouldn’t Jack costs up significantly. The difference between a standard breaker and a combo is only a few dollars...

[@Dragonited]

Wouldn't it be better if you have the GFCIs in the electrical panel? That is at least how we do it over here in Europe. Might be different over there since you have lower mains voltage which means higher Amps which makes it a bit more dangerous than the 210-240 we have here in Europe and in most of the world as well.

[@garymccoy2888]

Can’t imagine how much an electrician would charge to wire this house.

[@grounded-b937]

GFCI breaker would be fine to protect outlets in garage. As long as you have a 2 wire homerun

[@SMichaelDeHart]

Nope...you can never have to many, especially in a garage or work shop. All the 'extension cord' lovers need to realize the fire and shock danger that is clearly noted on the cord. Having 38yrs in the fire service as a Firefighter/EMS and certified fire investigator, I have seen way to many structure fires caused by extension cords.

[@AhmetMurati]

Actually, people do not read how much Amperers and Watts can be carried by a extension cord. If the devices connected to the extension cord overpass the Amperes and Watts then there is a danger of fire

[@MrFlashx1]

Where's Alissa these days?

[@mitchellgourley3653]

Why aren’t you guys working on the upstairs in the house I don’t get it but all his money into garage and not the house

[@toddscanlon6714]

not to many outlets too many on one circuit

[@KevinCoop1]

Todd Scanlon Your comment is based on what?

[@litasimpson1794]

I am sure you will find a use for all the outlets. I like the height of the outlets. Bending over all the time to plug and unplug things is a pain. Great work!

[@knis01]

What's with the skid mark down you back and up your front! LOL

[@RevMarket]

knis01 Look at the previous video,about that!

[@MrDMeans]

I would use multiple branches for the garage with two different branches in each double gang box that way you can run like a shop vac and a chop saw at the same time. Single 20 AMP circuit wouldn't be enough for a shop vac and a heavy load like a chop saw/table saw/etc. Unless your planning to have a whole house vacuum system for garage power tools on it's own home run.

[@raymondhinds3539]

Two different circuits in the same box requires a divider between the devices. All wires for each circuit must stay on their own side of the divider.

[@MrDMeans]

@@raymondhinds3539 thanks didn't know that.

[@taylorlightfoot]

@@raymondhinds3539 This isn't correct. But dividers are required if you want low voltage such as phone or Ethernet in the same box.

[@raymondhinds3539]

@@taylorlightfoot Correct or if 277 and 120 are in the same multi-gang box. I confused it with the code of only one circuit to a device.

[@helmuthschultes9243]

My experience is that there are never enough outlets. The only issue becomes the legal supply capacity of the power source and fuses/circuit breakers provided. In old times it was presumed each out COULD run at maximum load, say 2.5KW. Do source must be capable of that sum maximum, these days with few exceptions most plugged loads are far under that demand. Depends an legal definitions.

[@eugeneseib5974]

Definitely not to many outlets. In no time at all you will wonder why you didn't install outlets every 3 feet. : )

[@matthewgroff433]

GFCI = Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter Someone with more knowledge than I have, can correct me if I am wrong, they are designed to prevent a human from getting electrocuted or getting an electrical shocke when there is a problem in the circuit such as a "short" whether caused by water splashing into an outlet, an appliance falling into water, someone nailing or drilling into electrical wires, etc. They also protect against "faults" such as a 'faulty' appliance that may cause an electrical shock or cause a fire, When an appliance is plugged into a GFCI outlet or on a GFCI Breaker line.

[@soloban81]

Matthew Groff I believe you are correct. My recollection is that the GFCI is looking at the amount of current on the hot and neutral lines and making sure they are the same. If there is less current going back on the neutral line that means there is some returning via ground wire in some manner (hence a ground fault).

[@williamdegnan4718]

Only if you plan to plug space heaters into each one. Otherwise -- you have flexibility. I'm fine with the height, as you will probably have some worktops against the wall at some point. When the basement is no longer a work zone, can the fridge be non GFCId?

[@nodak81]

Can never have too many outlets, you just have to be aware of the total load on the circuit.

[@mattivirta]

if have many outlet need many fuse too, simple no problems.

[@thewiLik]

You can never have too many outlets.... i'd also consider running some cat5e cable for future computer network requirements

[@Sqtgdog]

I dunno why you would pre-wire a garage with cat5e. In that environment you are probably only using WiFi, and that is a single drop to a transmitter from the floor above.

[@KeithDiSarno]

@@Sqtgdog True, it seems everything is WiFi today. Better to pull it and leave it, then not have it though. I could see how having a hardwired CNC router, computer, garage door opener would be convenient. Who knows what the future holds for heaters, cameras, furnaces. Speaker wire might not be bad either.

[@stephensaines7100]

And what North Am code permits that exactly?

[@dalerodas1509]

use the hole in your wire strippers to bend the wire for the screws on the outlets

[@rjkdev]

In one of our houses we had a GFI breaker on the first floor that hooked up with circuits on the 2nd level (or visa-versa?). Drove me nuts one day when the GFI tripped, and nothing was working upstairs, and couldn't figure out why!

[@soloban81]

rjkdev Common way their wired the homes in my neighborhood was to have a gfci outlet in the hallway bathroom and then have a quad receptacle in the master bath above the vanity on the same circuit. People frequently trip the GFCI in the hall bathroom with shavers or other motorized devices in their master bath and then can’t figure out what happened. They don’t realize they have to reset the GFCI in the other bathroom.

[@RVthereyetmemaw]

Yes I have an outlet in my shed every 2/3 foot. I didn’t do that but it works... lol

[@erlwindegans3954]

Whilst you are at it would it be worth running some CAT6 cable as well to a few spots?

[@HepauDK]

For WiFi hotspots Hooked up to a PoE switch... :)

[@ShadowRifft]

I call designer/worker fatigue😛 just a little. It's cool to see you still take on the vast challenge it looks to be without tons of previous experience and "up to code" practice.😛👍💪 take a breather when ya can😎👌

[@michaelmueller8976]

Day by day. You have acquired many skills and much knowledge. I very much admire you for learning all you have done. A wise man seeks wise council. You do that. If you have a lock problem don’t hesitate to ask me.

[@Dave52732]

Here is an idea that may hold value. Make a wiring map of your garage, and later upstairs, taking note of all the outlets on any given breaker. At the outlet/switch boxes, you can write the breaker number on the inside of the outlet/switch covers, noting what breaker protects that box.

[@pfenlon]

you can NEVER have too many outlets. That would be in the same class as too many clamps -- there is no such thing!

[@carols1030]

Its not the number, its how high they are on the wall. Some need to be lower so when you have a cord running across the garage when you are doing a project in the middle, the cords are low to the groundout of the way.

[@helmutzollner5496]

You can NEVER have too many electric wall outlets.

[@gpazbyte8553]

You never can have to many outlets in the garage, do it the way YOU want not what the rest of us say!!! You know the way you like to work in your garage so build it for yourself not KZbin !!!

[@mwolfer1]

"Too many outlets?" That's as self-contradictory a statement as "Too many tools".

[@rwhitenz]

Can never have too many outlets but they need to be spread over more circuits to the main board.

[@PhotonHerald]

I am in full agreement with this statement.

[@Carlzday]

you can have as many outlets on a circuit as you want , as long as you don't go over 80% of the circuit load. to do this you simply multiply the amperage by the voltage, you’ll get the total wattage capacity... ie:15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts Safe Wattage Capacity: 1,800 watts x 80% = 1,440 watts Safe Amperage Capacity: 15 amps x 80% = 12 amps before a fuse with 80% load capacity will blow 20-amp Circuit : Total Wattage Capacity: 20 amps x 120 volts = 2,400 watts Safe Wattage Capacity: 2,400 watts x 80% = 1,920 watts Safe Amperage Capacity: 20 amps x 80% = 16 amps 30-amp Circuit : Total Wattage Capacity: 30 amps x 120 volts = 3,600 watts Safe Wattage Capacity: 3,600 watts x 80% = 2,880 watts Safe Amperage Capacity: 30 amps x 80% = 24 amps keep in mind there's volt drop as well, over the course of a circuit s length

[@stephensaines7100]

And there's a limit to the number of breakers per amp service entrance.