SMITE 2's Biggest Problem Right Now...

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[@Inters3ct]

Seen a lot of comments essentially saying 'small playerbase makes decent matchmaking impossible' and rather than respond to each one individually, I'll summarize it here: Yes, a playerbase this small WILL lead to worse matchmaking outcomes than a game with 100s of thousands of concurrent players. However, SMITE 2 is averaging basically the same player numbers as SMITE 1 rn and while S1 matchmaking has taken a hit due to declining player numbers, S2's matchmaking is definitely way worse, so it's not JUST a player count issue. Better can be done than what is being done right now.

[@ajzorger93]

A tracker that wouldd place people who have S1 linked in with others that have it linked and the new players that dont have S1 linked into their own pool until level 40 or something would be really nice.

[@HelloHelloe]

Can you make some content on deadlock? Maybe it will light a fire under Hi-Rez' ass and they'll consider curtailing their greed and stupidity for a year or two lmao

[@ragn594]

Smite 2 does not average about the same players. Smite 1 has double the amount of players on peak. The ranked system is bad, the regular matchmaking system is bad. Which makes the game bad. Also its the system thats failing to find appropriate links, aka the logic when it fails to find is shit. You can tell smite 2 isn't properly coded, and u can't let them get off the hook by stating "It's just an alpha man." being able to get 4 different modred ult bugs, shouldnt be a thing. The coding is already shit and the game will just fail because of it. The mmr system is coded poorly and most other things are too. I mean how the fuck have I played a 4v4 ranked conquest game??? Does that make any sense ? I didnt q siege, like?

[@HelloHelloe]

@@ragn594 Yeah the system changes are meaningless, the graphics are unimpressive and the issues are the same as before... This new engines done them 0 favors, I don't think they have the talent on-board to use the new engine or something?

[@ragn594]

@@HelloHelloe Just seems to me like they have junior devs on board, cus unreal engine 5 allows them to hire new people. Who seem to just fuck up the base coding of the game. Which just causes more issues down the line.

[@humblecanadian4206]

I think adding ranked was a bad idea its an alpha and having ranked in an alpha just splits the player base even more

[@POWDERPACKS]

They needed it or the pros would be even bigger doomers than they already are

[@bobertobobino2372]

If there was no ranked unironically the good/ important people wouldn't be playing it. This is fucked MM dont get me wrong but the game is still quite barebones, you see the same 5 gods everygame if there wasnt a dopamine tracker for the 10hour a day queuers they wouldnt be doing it and without them there's no streams and there's no interest. Sure Incon would be playing because he genuinely hated and was so over smite1 (he had been since artifact came out lol) but SoT and Haddix for example wouldnt be grinding it. It would all just be private vegas scrims and people playing the new wow expansion.

[@calebowens693]

It's arguably a good thing. With the small playerbase, casuals give you somewhere that you aren't likely to have to play people like Adapting or Paul (nothing against them as people, they're just so good that I wouldn't want to play them; Michael Jordan is a cool guy, but I wouldn't want to 1v1 him in basketball when he was in his prime). Splitting the playerbase will give some lifeblood to the casual gamer (which is most of the money for the game comes from) while also giving somewhere for the pros to play (which is where most of the information for character/item/map balance comes from).

[@daxxad6]

​@calebowens693 fluff Adapting

[@POWDERPACKS]

@@daxxad6 the 🐐

[@One_vile_gt]

I had a yimir support who started mid never left mid, never helped, left at 15minutes, we then won a 4v5… matchmaking is wild

[@Heemsgg]

i solo que alot and the amount of people who dont know lanes is actually making this unplayable solo literally losing at the pick screen in most cases

[@jochnes8832]

sounds exactly like my normal game experience in smite1 right now

[@KONSACZ]

This is literally impossible to fix at this point considering how low player base is. It's this, or waiting 30+ minutes for match. And majority want faster queues.

[@illitaret8780]

@@SirLexionI believe you misread the comment

[@allste626]

Well, if they weren't charging everyone $30 to be alpha testers that provide the feedback they need to fix this type of stuff then maybe they would have a higher player base.

[@allste626]

@@SirLexion Every ranked game I've played has been over a 10 minute queue... but I'm queuing with a friend and he says it's about 5 minutes on average for a solo queue.

[@KONSACZ]

@@SirLexion ??????????? That's literally my point

[@KONSACZ]

@@allste626 Yeah, that's another mistake they do. But I guess they want to have another "premiere" when going to F2P which is popular with current smaller games.

[@chiefbigbelly1498]

This literally just happened to me. My first ranked game had Inbound on my team and my second had Inbound on the enemy team

[@GunShark0]

Yeah I mean there's probably 20 people total playing.

[@virgil4221]

the matchmaking is shit because of the low player base. the low player base is due to the fact that you have to pay 25 bucks to play the game currently

[@colbyhunt2257]

33$ after tax

[@yeabuddy9091]

$41 in Canada

[@fl45hbrg]

And few are going to want to pay $25 to play a game with unbalanced matchmaking.

[@bobertobobino2372]

game shouldnt be free. It has to be good when it goes free because early access lets you release your game 2x Smite2 needs a big big wave on free to play if were all gonna live in smite land for the veritable future. but dont disagree dogshit MM

[@yubel2713]

I got Xbox codes left if anyone of you want access for it

[@sirbbq2403]

With this type of ranked experience, they should be paying us to test their alpha because it is absolute torture to even play. I think I'm done playing ranked. Watching made-up numbers go down because of griefing team mates just hurts me too much.

[@PumaPants248]

I also think damage is too high, building full tank doesn’t feel like it because gods like Susano and Loki still full burst you

[@BayBlends]

True and I feel like there isn't a just tank. Everyone deals damage, even if they build full tank support.

[@thbran7417]

Yeah too much damage

[@s66733]

Yeah but full tanks also one shot people not building full tank so just outplay them? I actually really like the idea of a full support ymir being able to solo kill a Loki ulting on a teammate instead of having to rely on someone else to kill him after you peel them off.

[@Acusumano25]

it's almost like the same issues that led to 9.5 adjustments are bubbling back to the surface post-revert. weird, who couldve seen that coming

[@nightwing8794]

Yeah i noticed this too when i first launched smite 2 i noticed in practice mode that a lvl 20 loki can one shot a lvl 1 tank with a 1-3 ticks from a single ability which isnt possible in smite 1 from my testing. The characters base power/level scaling must be like triple what it normally is in smite 1

[@pureloser2526]

I have played probably 25 games of casuals so far and I would say in about 20 of those there is at least one troll/DC. Its so brutal

[@fatcat2015]

That’s just smite 1

[@pureloser2526]

@@fatcat2015typical for a game at the end of its life cycle not the beginning. Nearly 80% of games ruined is borderline unplayable.

[@AlterKirbo]

@@pureloser2526 i think this follows the issue of, smite 2 could be the best thing ever but the community atp still quits at anythinf even slightly wrong happening whjch ruins the game

[@prophet8087]

Just wait till you play ranked and your solo laner is 0-15-0 at 12 mins

[@AlterKirbo]

@@prophet8087 thats just a team issue thats not really bad for the game

[@HarbingerOfTruth1]

This is what is called a playerbase issue. As of writing this steamdb shows 2004 players on Smite 2 right now. These kinds of numbers cannot sustain healthy matchmaking. If 100 000 people were playing Smite 2 right now the matchmaking would turn out fine, but due to how small it is currently the matchmaking will be shit.

[@sololaneyonko]

Does 2004 number account for PSN and XBOX?

[@dragonis9609]

@@sololaneyonko doesnt matter ..

[@ScottieSavedMjsCareer23]

@@dragonis9609it’s does matter😂

[@Xcody2323]

Its too bad hirez couldnt solve this problem by making the alpha f2p. At least they're acknowledging the problem by giving away keys in mass 😂

[@greltheghost]

right now 2500 people are online on steam, this is after a week from all time high of 12,549 that is ruff

[@Arxaion]

Personally, as a casual who comes and goes, I'm still grinding Divine Legacy in Smite 1.

[@marcocharbonneau2416]

You make great points throughout the video that definitely need to be addressed, but this is a closed alpha with a small devoted playerbase. I think we should still be providing feedback and pushing for change, but in a way that a knowledges that the game is not even close to out yet.

[@yungflipdadon]

My biggest complaint is that (as a support main) Bacchus is banned every game by the enemy team and im usually top two mmr on my team (as a gold 3-1) and the enemy team picks sol/jing and hyper farms my carry once i leave lane and my team usually has another absolute bot elsewhere causing me to be in 3v5 or 4v5 matchups

[@ocean44432]

Most Smite streamers have a 90% win rate in ranked with a lower win rate in casual games. People usually tell you to play ranked because matches should be fairer but matchmaking is completely broken. Smite 2 is unplayable at this point. They have had 12 years to fix this in multiple Hirez games. They have no excuse for this to be a problem at this point.

[@urswanderer745]

For now I would make it as simply as "players can't have more than 2.000 MMR difference in one lobby". It doesn't need to be super fair for now, Smite 2 has quite a few spaces it need works on. But it should feel quite a bit better then.

[@BestGeb]

Big wrong ranked biased. It should be a priority but it should not take a majority of their resources to fix the queues.

[@sofiabruiz17]

Genetics, Vaporish and Nika were in the opposite team playing as a party. And it was exactly what you showed. Literally 3 of us had never played, and the other two I think they hadnt because geez... edit: Loool thats me sofi.13, glad to be a useful example. I didnt realize I played twice against Nika. Shingurux and I have played quite a lot in Smite 1. But it was our first ranked, and they all went like that. At least in casual everyones bad, it's easier to carry and make something of it.

[@ImmortalMarshmallow]

Well it's called "Ranked Test Season" for a reason. There's just is not enough players at all right now to sustain quality matchmaking. It's a ranked game mode in a Closed Alpha. There's no incentives to play ranked at all. There's no onboarding systems to help new players learn. And there's only 20 something playable characters. The only people playing ranked atp are the top 100 players in the world, or people who have never played a MOBA before trying their first game. Not much in between. It's not like there's a level floor, or a god mastery floor even implemented yet. That alone would filter out 90% of the people who can play Ranked rn. It just needs more time and more players to start dropping in. So many ppl are still waiting to play Smite 2

[@allste626]

They never should have released a ranked queue without any matchmaking or in game chat. It's unacceptable. Maybe if they weren't charging people $30 to test their game and give them the feedback they need to make actual improvements, they'd be doing better. Everyone I started playing the game with is done with it until matchmaking and in game chat are a thing.

[@ImmortalMarshmallow]

@allste626 as I said, it's called "Ranked Test Season" for a reason. If you don't expect there to be issues, bad matchmaking, bugs, etc. Then you shouldn't be playing a literal test mode in a game that's in closed alpha. The game isn't even close to finished, and is not being advertised as finished in the slightest. Every screen in the game says "Alpha-Not Final" and the Devs have given FULL transparency since the very beginning. They released the mode for the specific purpose of finding huge issues such as these, and because it's in closed Alpha, they can do so with minimal people having to experience it. That's literally the point of a closed Alpha. And they're not charging ppl $30 to test their game. They're charging $30 for a bunch of limited cosmetics, every single god in Smite 2 forever, and 2x all legacy gems. Early access to the testing phases of Smite 2 is just a bonus you get for helping to support the game. There are plenty of people who have gotten free codes to play Smite 2, also

[@allste626]

@@ImmortalMarshmallow There is *no* matchmaking. SR is not even considered when matching players. Most of my games have been average 5k+ SR on enemy team and almost all under 1.5K SR on my team. They are choosing to not have an in game chat. It's silly. These are not bugs. They are terrible decisions. There is a big difference. Shill more.

[@ImmortalMarshmallow]

@allste626 when did they ever say they weren't going to add in game chat? Nobody ever said that. Not having it in a pre-alpha makes sense, because why would you want people being even more toxic in an Alpha? And there is matchmaking. There have been issues of course, and they've already tried implementing fixes for them. If it still has been having issues, then they clearly know about it and are actively working on it. It's been 2 weeks into the very first implementation of this matchmaking system, These things will happen consistently in a game that's in the earliest state of development possible. If you aren't ready to experience these issues, then don't play a mid-test mode In an unfinished game. Or have some patience and continue giving real feedback.

[@allste626]

@@ImmortalMarshmallow Not wasting more time with the ultimate HiRez shill. Take your meds and stop messaging me.

[@timothyfloyd3269]

i see a few issues with smite 2 right now. 1. tower bounties. not only does this make game stale cause people will just sit under towers and just wait till you need to back and poke your tower down as your jungler refuses to stop them. it makes it so you can get seriously behind if you ever rotate promoting stale gameplay. cause the bounties are enough that you can get a whole half item ahead start out clearing the enemy laner and just snowball lane. it used to be a strategy to not kill towers it was better to keep them alive and just push wave under make enemy lose farm. its less viable now. 2. picking up multiple buffs. promotes selfish game play. ive gone whole matches and get to pick up 1 buff all game on my side of the map. i had to steal enemies cause jungler just takes all buffs whether he needs them or not. 3. i really think they need to remove the small back camps. if your not getting them you can fall behind but if you get them on que you wont have time to gank enough and team can fall behind. not mention loki can abuse them as he can just steal and leave getting 8 free camps to farm. and power level game right now. in smite 1 you do like camps for 1 min then choose a lane to gank (super fun). in smite 2 you just yellow 2 back camps mid side camps 2 back camps red camp then maybe gank if your teams still alive. there are 2 mid side camps if enemy is at 1 you go to other cause if you die you will get severely behind.

[@AdityaKumar-hg6wm]

They should take party function out untill enough people play

[@snip3rkodak]

No one gonna play then

[@jetvoidweller]

nah 5 mans should play against 5 mans only. even if its a 30 min queue

[@th3exceptionexception452]

The closest match I've had was one where we were destroying the other team, but then 2 players on my team dc'd or left and the other team slowly almost came back

[@Godfadda]

The matchmamking may be off. But they built a system for the player count they want, not the player count they have.

[@slicedice5123]

This problem is caused by a multitude of reasons. 1) The player base is far too small. They NEED to make this alpha open to all. Just go the smite 1 route and make 5 gods free to play and rotate them out every week 2) The pros/tryhards need to realize they are not helping by sweating every single match. They need to just chill and solo que. Having the top player in the world against someone who's playing their 2nd match ever is stupid, and the match outcome is already set before the game even starts. They really shouldn't even have ranked at this point in the game. Remove it so the player base is less split. I'm honestly amazed that people are even queing ranked with how the game is. People should know the experience will be shit 3) This isn't just a problem with ranked. The same shit is happening in casuals also. I've played probably like 50-60 matches of Arena/Casual Conquest and I've had maybe 2-3 actual GOOD games that were close, it's always a fucking blowout on one side or the other. 1 team always has 1 or 2 people who are just clearly fucking lost without a clue what's happening. I get in the lobby and choose support role, pick Athena and then have 3 other teammates not choose a role and pick random shit. The game starts and I have 4 people on my team in fucking due lane........like wtf? They then die 6 times in 3 minutes, then quit the game, rinse, and repeat for 6 games in a row. 4) They need to go back to how smite 1 items and gods were classified. They need to get rid of this intelligence/Strength shit and just go back to magical or physical with gods having actual classifications...... I'm tired of seeing someone pick Ymir support, then building full damage crit and feed their fucking brains out. It's just confusing for new people and annoying for veteran players. Give gods an identity again and make items better balanced based on if they are magical or physical. Building crit on Anhur should have different power and scaling then Building crit on Sol 5) The game is missing so many basic features right now, like I cant role que, I cant type in game to help all these new people who are just walking around clueless, I cant even surrender at 5 minutes when my troll Solo dies 7 times at 4 minutes then rage quits, I have to wait till 10 minutes? Like why is this stuff missing when its been in smite 1 for year's? There is much more but thats just a taste of what I think the problem is. I have probably 8-9k hours in smite 1 so i'm not new by any means but stuff needs to be changed asap if they want this game succeed. The game's been out 1 week and I'm already bored and fed up with the BS

[@HelloHelloe]

Step 1- forget smite exists because DeadLock

[@GeneralJerrard101]

I played Smite a few years back and am considering getting back into it very casually, and Smite 2 just so happens to be coming soon. My question with Smite 2 is, why should I bother playing it over Smite 1? If the graphics are the biggest reason, then I can stay in Smite 1. Really the biggest pull for ME I see so far is that I don't know what all these new fangled weirdos do, and the most I can process is that cartoon Cthulhu rolls over people with *some* abilities, whatever they are.

[@MiChAeLoKGB]

Didn't devs say that the match making providers backend had some issues where it could crash and currently they have it implemented in a way where if it crashes like this, it would just throw in any game, rather than nothing. Edit: ofc this probably isn't the reason why so many games were horribly mismatched, but along with low population and their algorithm still not being polished, I could see how it would lead to this clustermuk.

[@caydenreiniger697]

My biggest issue with the game is the shop active items, and why they changed so much between smite 1 and smite 2. I was hopeful, thinking smite 2 will be smite 1 but with better graphics and more quality of life changes

[@christianaguilar722]

It’s a closed alpha that’s not free so the amount of players will be scarce compared to smite 1. Unless you want to queue into small matches like 4v5 which has happened to me already since I play SMITE 2 as well, then that’s what you’re gonna have to deal with. constant new players. Or you fight with the same people over and over which is not likely since one smite game usually lasts 20-45 min. When the player base increases on full launch, and it’s free to play, the ranked queue will be wayyy better.

[@VinylZGamingHub]

I’m getting 87 SR for a win and -50 SR for a loss regardless of individual performance, how does everyone feel about that? They should reward some points to players for how you perform individually or else you’re almost always guaranteed a 50/50 win rate.

[@calebowens693]

Honestly, I never played much conquest in Smite 1 (even then it was just casuals, not ranked) for that reason: most of my games had someone either spawn DC from not getting the role they wanted or ragequit if they died a time or two early game. Whatever penalties they had in the first game just weren't enough to actually deter people. Winning a 5v4 isn't even very fun and playing a 4v5 out with F7 warriors is pure pain. I'll probably get into Smite 2 when more game modes come out (back in the day, I mained casual joust from 2014-19 and mostly clash/slash or assault since then).

[@tyronemagnus1736]

I think the game still looks off compared to smite 1. They need to do whatever they did with their visual changes alittle more

[@GunShark0]

Yes! I can't put my finger on it either but it's just, "off," imo.

[@HelloHelloe]

@@GunShark0they will never have it quite on either I’m afraid, serious lack of talent on display by hi rez art team; also skins costing upwards of 10k to produce? How much are they paying these talentless crap bags

[@DestroAzureDx]

This is thier attempt to front load people into ranked. Ranked has currently better mmr than casuals, which isnt saying much but adding skins and a ranked mode this early into alpha is an awful idea especially when optimization is a larger issue and god pool/reworks is a bigger goal.

[@numeritos1799]

I HATE so much the "low player base" excuse, when people assume that the matchmaking is perfect and that it doesn't work well because of the playerbase. The ranked playerbase is probably similar to SMITE 1's, but the matchmaking is 10x worse. Hell, in SMITE 1 even the Brazilian servers have better MM than what we have in SMITE 2 in bigger regions (NA/EU).

[@vvarui]

its literally is a low player base issur or really the same player base from smite 1- a good chuck of them with weak mental and terrorists. The only solution is to bring new players but i dont think that will happen. Well we will see next year when its in full release.

[@numeritos1799]

@@vvarui You underestimate how bad the matchmaking actually is. SMITE 1's is much better.

[@HelloHelloe]

@@vvaruithe new playerbase that’s already hooked on Deadlock which is free to play and MILES ahead in terms of balance and quality? Yeah best of luck 😂

[@vvarui]

@@HelloHelloe oh yea for sure, I think Valve trying to bury smite 2 before it even comes out.

[@vvarui]

@@numeritos1799 the common denominator is the feeble playerbase

[@projack5617]

the main issue with smite 2 and 1 is that a game takes around 50 min to end since the objective are pretty meaningless if you do not count the FG, winning the obelisk or smth should destroy all the first line of towers not just tickle them, or even better make a obj will push lanes with you to speed the game up

[@revenge3265]

No game in SMITE 1 lasts that long unless it's a low mmr lobby or the people playing carry/mid/jung just aren't that good. SMITE 2 matchmaking is all over the place and is filled with new/low mmr players, so it makes sense there too. This is a non issue IMO.

[@whtquake]

in smite 2 there are plenty of obj’s to push lane, if the adc gets the naga buff they can split push and kill atleast 1 or maybe even 2 towers, if you kill the gold fury (i’ll be it takes awhile) 4 times it shuts all of the towers and phoenixes down. Again at that point the adc can kill whatever they want. a big problem with new players is that they want to fight every. five. seconds. i cant tell you how many times my team literally just fights in mid lane just cause. i dont even know why there isn’t anything there just STOP FIGHTING so much!

[@growingagainstthegrain2165]

As a rusty Smite 1 player, I wish we could have a conquest vs Ai mode to practice in... Would benefit new players too, but I realize that would only make the pool of players Q-ing for ranked MM even smaller.... Even so, at least it would be a pool of experienced players and less first time Q-ers....

[@Arritay]

If adapting and coast couldnt carry as a duo stack in a bronze lobby they def got tilted and didnt play to their strengths as players and yea if you party up your match quality is gonna be terrible, is why league duo q isnt how the top players climb, just climbing solo gives way more good matches than bad, i occasionally have a lobby with someone with 6 total games of smote 2 and all are them hard feeding. People need to relax, let the player base grow and focus on learning instead of complaining the closed alpha has matching problems. We have so much smite ahead of us and once the game opens to the public itll be way better.

[@xpitohui]

I think the biggest problem is how bad it feels to use kb&m on console I mean it's impossible to play Morrigan because you can't use her ult on console. You also can't see the keys for any abilities in the game it only displays controller inputs. And it bugs out when you try to buy items. It just feels way worse than smite 1 kb&m on console, making the game unplayable to many, including myself.

[@mr.darknight416]

Yh its also a big issue in smite one. There are times where I win 6-7 games in a row and then lose 10-15 in a row. Yes some of them are the games that I sucked at, but most of them I swear have been duo to my team. The jg isnt ganking or ignore, the solo feeding etc etc. its people making like below bronze level mistakes. Like I am not shitting on them, but they have no business being in that match, while getting matched against gm players with 3k plus hours (I have 1500h),

[@jasonsavage8494]

Smite 1 several years ago: *tries implementing parties / 5-stack queues in ranked, all matches are catastrophically imbalanced and it fails completely* Smite 2: *tries implementing parties / 5-stack queues in ranked...* 🙃🙃 If only there was SOME way they could have known this is what would happen lol. Parties in ranked always have been, and always will be, an absolute death sentence to any hope of even vaguely passable matchmaking (unless the ranked playerbase ends up practically being orders of magnitude larger than it has ever been before, and even then the problem of 'people with wildly different skill levels queueing in a party' would still persist).

[@LoganZeigler]

Not going to lie, Being able to get Qed with people higher than me has helped to pull me out of elo hell cause if I’m paired with any pro and not against other masters players it’s just a win.

[@bohottie]

I mean, do you want bad matchmaking or very long queue times? This is what happens when they run a limited alpha. They need to open it up and let more people join. It would help immensely with the matchmaking problem. I played Smite for a very long time before taking a break for 8 or so months at this point. I’m interested in Smite 2 but not enough to plop down money if I’m not sure I’ll be into it yet. Tons of people are in the same boat.

[@Bigcockcarlos]

I have zero problems waiting for a good match if it means my teammates don't insta lock Loki, refuse to play a role, and go 0-4 in 5 minutes just to leave the game.

[@LocalCatgirl0689]

The other big issue is trolls. It’s not even just people who want a role or god, I’ve seen people who instalock a god and role and then blatantly troll, and it IS NOT new players like everyone keeps telling me.

[@yrtel1599]

Legit this is a massive problem. I have seen some players that were worse than bots. I get that in order to get a higher rank you gotta carry people, but some people are uncarryable when they are against players who know how to beat them and they have no idea as they are clearly new. nothing against them, just makes the game a lot less fun.

[@4373fg]

This is why I'm taking a break from the game atm. I'm bronze 2 and played 3-4 ranked matches in a row where there were diamonds on the entire team where the 4 other players were playing their first moba game ever.

[@marcusgoldstein3672]

Ranked isnt out yet, as in they tell you that they dont use your rank in the matchmaking algorithim yet 😅 thats obviously gonna happen. Just wait till ranked id fully out

[@HelloHelloe]

@@marcusgoldstein3672why would anyone stick around for a half assed copy of a game that already ran its course? Deadlock has 100% executed Smites hopes of ever becoming a contender again

[@vincentlaw9992]

SMITE2 is fun, but it's because of the changes in ,items, and power/intelligence buildings, which have nothing to do with the game itself. This can be fully reflected in SMITE1. I still don't know what the point of SMITE2 is? It further divides the player group, and the game screen looks too saturated. In short, it's a mess. Hirez doesn't know how to operate at all, he just keeps changing the game. The gods background of this game is so strong, and he can just keep launching gods and skins. The changes in items and power/intelligence buildings in SMITE1 will definitely be better than the current results.

[@The_Grackler]

they explained there would be no matchmaking to start and its being updated as we go. this is the ranked test season as they say so i dont know what the point of the video is lol.

[@tzkdragscope6380]

I applied for the alpha with my email the day the alpha started and still have no access code 😫😫😢😢

[@Shmuckett]

This was my fourth game of ranked and my 6th game ever. Needless to say I was disgusted when I saw the enemy team

[@fortayseven]

Ranked doesn't use SR for matchmaking (see the info blurb under the ranked section in your profile) so you get brand new players mixed with top level players and everything in between.

[@thelaststein6807]

I was put into a ranked game with 4 people on my team and 3 on the other so there's definitely bugs rn

[@monte113bc]

The matchmaking truly is horrendous ive got about 2.5k hours in smite across console and PC but no matter how many game me and my friends win on Smite 2 we still get people on the other team who have never played smite or a moba in general with 3 enimies staying in mid the whole game to people to just leaving lane and going elsewhere if the get killed too many times... Its very frustrating

[@jettblade]

This is a problem that doesn't really have a quick solution. As pointed out it will take a while to get people where they need to be. I know first hand the problems of matchmaking. Back in season 8 I attempted Conquest for the first time and was against someone I had zero chance against. It was a really bad experience. My second attempt at Conquest, this was some time later, I had got immediately harassed because I picked Baba Yaga and got Sands of Time before their main buffs. I haven't tried Conquest again. I might have tried it again if matchmaking was good enough to put me against people I actually could have had a chance against. I do think they're doing the best they can and it will get to a good point, it will just take a while.

[@nathaniels9141]

This is the only possible way this is going to end. You’re never going to get good match making with small player base, 3 game modes, and party queues only. It’s literally impossible there isn’t a single thing the devs can do to solve the issue. Since the player base can’t be increased. The one solution is allow parties to queue into non parties in conquest and arena. While deleting ranked conquest. The other solution is make everyone solo queue for ranked and get rid of casual conquest.

[@canadianhaz3173]

Way to much grass wards last like 15 seconds so what’s the point

[@daxxad6]

The problem are people like inbowned, Icon, weajen and many pros and high level PC players que ranked, first thing in the morning when they wake up. Not to kention Forced Crossplay is what ruins both Ranked and Casual MM.

[@OneDivineShot]

The match making with improve with more match data to pull from for the algorithm and when it is truly an open alpha rather than being locked down.

[@abelgonzalez158]

It will improve once it goes free and the player numbers go up

[@aqwDIGEDO]

Most of the bad players & all the whales have moved to smite 2, I haven’t had a bad teammate in smite 1 ranked since the 24/7 alpha is out.

[@HelloHelloe]

Smite 1 will stand the test of time, in a year or 2 they will give up on the sequel and farm smite 1 in maintenance mode until they shut down as a studio. They’ve literally killed their company after all these years of impossibly stupid decisions, the one time they don’t chase a trend and play copycat it blows up so horrendously that they go bankrupt 😂 talentless hacks

[@aqwDIGEDO]

@@HelloHelloe not to mention the uncanny overall feel smite 2 has. I know all these content creators are being paid to hype it up & promote it but it just feels and looks off. The honeymoon phase will be over before the game is even fully released.

[@cupid1313pr]

Matchmaking is really bad right now. Personally I cant justify playing this game until its in open alpha/beta because they are truly just the most dogshit matches ever. We need more players.

[@MrHihihiji]

for how minimal this alleged leap in 2 generations of UE were, the game looks barely better imo and it controls significantly worse than smite 1, the UI is also a complete mess. you can argue its still alpha or whatever, but as the product stands right now, it's god awful in comparison to smite.

[@SnowHelation]

The fact I lost 700 sr for losing to 4 masters at 1,400sr made no sense.

[@cubandarknez]

I hope this is just a playerbase issue, but as someone who briefly tried SMITE 1 when I heard SMITE 2 was in the works, the matchmaking at new player MMR for conquest almost made me quit the game. I had a blast in arena and 3v3, then almost quit after 4 games of conquest where every game was a stomp one way or another, or had leavers / griefers. They really need to put in some work to make matchmaking function better for new account mmrs, since that is the first impression many will get. I understand in smite 2 play test it could be more of a player base issue, and I hope that's all it is.

[@rhythm-peko9408]

3v3 was the only thing i played for smite 1 cuz I found it way more fun. I hope they have it in Smite 2

[@revan5293]

@@rhythm-peko9408 just got ruined for me because everyone just runs 2 tanks and adc. Actually annoying

[@rhythm-peko9408]

@@revan5293 fair

[@deathghost65]

Me and my friends have been playing Smite 1 since beta. We all got a Smite 2 Founders pack but my friends don't really wanna play because there isn't enough gods and none of the current ones are any of our favorites, so we're pretty much waiting till they add more gods. Plus, the game is extremely buggy which is to be expected. Only thing we all want thats currently in Smite 2 is the Thanatos Clown global emote

[@deathghost65]

​@@rhythm-peko9408I was like that too for 8 years. Then I got tired of the comps in casual, so I played conquest. Now I don't wanna play anything but conquest because gods feel better and allows more room for more gods compared to the other gamemodes

[@25_seindytanudjaja28]

Hi-Rez should give vs. A.I opponent for newcomers at lower rank.

[@lucashaughton252]

The main problem is it looks the same, it plays nearly the same, and it wont draw past players back. I was masters back in 2020, i feel no desire to return to the same game. If they brought none of the old gods to the new game, started fresh, completely new mechanics/base principles that would be different. Or just make another MOBA all together.

[@REF_1.34]

The only reason I'm not playing is none of the characters I like have been moved over yet 😂. I don't care for Chaac or Bellona, gimme Herc or Wu Kong and then I'll head over.

[@childpeanut5095]

Fr. Not even ra is in yet 😭

[@Mystx24]

Yes!!! Herc my boy bring him back 🎉

[@ITSRICHTIME]

I wish the matchmaking was the only problem

[@l3m0npl3dg3]

I just think that releasing a new moba in 2024 was a bad idea like nobody’s playing mobas anymore and smites community is not welcoming if there were new players who want to try it out

[@revan5293]

Once it goes free to play and they start adding some of the gods but a lot of people really like. The player base will grow

[@TheWoolyninja4]

The game literally made a 4 v 3 last night and I don't know how that happens.

[@talawanda5164]

just had a game where we were with 3 vs 4 instant F6 i don't think smite 2 at all has a large playerbase currently. best would be to open it up free to play sooner than later.

[@HelloHelloe]

Deadlock has 100000 active and hirez is coping and seething blaming valve of industry sabotage 😂 Smite 2 is dead on arrival

[@dadylan4622]

I have 2k hours in Smite and haven't paid a cent to Hi-Rez, once Smite 2 is no longer pay to play the player base will see some amount of reform if the game doesn't just die which I highly doubt.

[@HelloHelloe]

It’s doomed now that Deadlock just snapped up the entire market share and literally every major streamers platform for days on end. Smite 2 isn’t making it to 2025, they need to can it and upgrade smite 1 into a new overhauled Smite entirely for free. Only way they unfuck the situation

[@dadylan4622]

@@HelloHelloe For sure, I be on that Deadlock grind now 💪

[@jetvoidweller]

The issue tends to fix itself at peak hours so its 100% a player base things. Which is fine right now, given the limited access alpha has

[@the_prophecyyy]

Deadlock. That’s SMITE 2’s problem.

[@HelloHelloe]

It’s smites death sentence, 2 weeks ago smite had my attention and I’d even give the sequel a chance but deadlock is free and 50x as polished. Hope hi rez goes under they don’t deserve their playerbase

[@the_prophecyyy]

@@HelloHelloe same. I was actually very excited to play smite 2. Got into deadlock the same day smite 2 came out, haven’t touched it.

[@HelloHelloe]

@@the_prophecyyy Yeah me and my friends did this, we were THIS close to buying into Smite 2 when Deadlock dropped lmao

[@willwallace4373]

my arena games are more competitive than conquest in smite 2

[@POWDERPACKS]

Arena sucks tho

[@alexturner7545]

Just playing arena why my team lose by 40 plus every game? Like it's insane how teams seem to not be even a little balanced players getting 30 pl

[@starfoxmoore6037]

I was diamond in smite 1 then got out in amber in smite 2 and I have been crushing every single game

[@richie6793]

My biggest problem is the "connect error" message 🔥🔥

[@JACKWEASEL]

I’ve played vs 5 5k sr players with amber players on my team every game for the last few days. Had to play vs BennyQ, rexsi, auto speed, zap man, aror, ect. WTF!

[@ryankrebes4190]

It's great to highlight the imbalance, but Hi-Rez already discussed their plans for Ranked matchmaking, with role specific SR. Are you expecting them to implement that after 1-week of closed alpha? I hope they continue to use Closed Alpha to try these extreme/wild/unbalanced ideas. If they mess it up later (and they very well could), so be it, but we're only 1-week in...

[@HelloHelloe]

Why does a closed alpha have ranked mode? They are slaves to the biggest whiners on Reddit now, it’s why smite 2 is soulless buggoid shit and Deadlock is kino 😂

[@greltheghost]

in 3 days the playerbase on steam halved

[@Ace....]

😂🤣

[@HelloHelloe]

Deadlock is picking up steam breaking 6 figure player counts whilst smite 2 a sequel to a decades established mainstay can barely garner 5k players at any given time 😂😂😂😂

[@germanvsusa]

Smite 2 rn is either stomp or get stomped and no in between from my experience.

[@mustnotgetowned]

Wouldn't this be because they are implementing role specific MMR and they don't have the role queue in yet?

[@24kam48]

Evern with role queue, the matchmaking isnt working effectivly enough to even out the sr between both teams or the player base is just to small atm for the system to work properly. Either way this doesnt look like something easily fixed untill actuall release wit a larger player pool.

[@fatcat2015]

For me it’s been impossible to queue a single game with a friend in my party. Idk if anyone else is having this issue.

[@cupid1313pr]

Yep its like 10+ minute queues for a party of 2.

[@Lmaofunnyman]

No the biggest issue is that is horrible on console

[@cliffordmartin6000]

I’m amber2 and I played with dashboard earlier, the matchmaking is wild

[@GunShark0]

Well there's probably only like 20 people total playing the game so...

[@Dopaco10]

I have been a smite player since late 2014, I had to buy the founder pack twice because hirez support just refused to help link the right smite 1 account to smite 2, the same dday the beta came out I got a Deadlock invite, I have no touched smite 2 since then. The launch of Deadlock might be the smite 2 killer, I dont see a way for Hirez to bring players back like this.

[@HelloHelloe]

This happened to me exactly and I talked about 3 of my friends out of 5 from buying into the new smite, we are enjoying deadlock so much and FOR FREE 😂 Suck my balls Hi Rez your game blows

[@Mitch98079]

They did say SR based matchmaking hasn’t been implemented yet

[@nazzify6417]

Considering the peak players for smite 2 is at like 7.5k, i dont think the matchmaking is even fixable atm unless we want 15 minute queues

[@zx7t300]

This has been smite 1s biggest problem for the past few years too.

[@autumnvalentine3674]

The problem is the amount of characters in the game is so low. They need to release 3 gods or more every patch .

[@richardstith1176]

yeah the playerbase and match making is so bad every single game I've played for the last 5 days have been filled with trolls or people who don't know how to play

[@kenw.1520]

There just aren't enough players right now. And you'll definitely be waiting longer for more balanced queues. Now how long? Well good luck with that.

[@sleihbeggey1992]

I think you’re just misunderstanding the sheer difference between a top 500 player and a casual. Just about every single top 500 Smite 1 player is playing Smite 2 right now. Many of them for 6+ hours a day 4+ days a week. Who else is likely playing ranked conquest? Well I don’t have the data but I personally have thousands of hours in Smite 1 but never enjoyed solo que ranked and simply don’t have more than a handful of friends who want to play ranked 30+ min games in an Alpha test if they want to play in a paid Alpha at all. So when i que ranked in Smite 2 I consistently get matches with pros and masters players. I’m fine with it, it’s an Alpha, but it does mean I’m only going to play a couple matches. I was likely only going to play a couple matches anyways though. I’m a casual player and there’s only 20 characters. They shouldn’t have done a god pack if they were planning to do a long paid alpha. Especially if they’re going to charge you for an ascension pass to unlock skins for a god after you paid for the pack to have access to the god in the first place. That’s a massive gatekeeper to player base size and idk frankly a poor accounting decision. They’ve got several different levers they could pull to increase player base size but they’re either not pulling them or they’ve passed the point of course correcting.

[@HelloHelloe]

It’s way too late now, if they made it free to play 2 weeks ago at launch and made money off skins they’d have MORE players and MORE money. Instead they were greedy and lazy, valves dropped a F2P gem in deadlock and SNATCHED the new player base smite DESPERATELY needed to survive 😂 GG!

[@doomerman965]

The matchnmaking is part of the problem the other problem is the game gets boring after a while because of the limited god pool making match ups boring and predictable and playing the game 3-4 gods also gets boring.

[@davidgee4048]

I just want some AA gods for jungle, there really isn't much for options in that regard.

[@jtdarelli2362]

The game is just built around a ridiculous snowball system. Invades are not only common - they're standard. _Not_ invading at this point damn near guarantees a loss. Buffs camps spawn too early and too often and are way too weak, making invading even more prevalent as well as diminishing the value of jungle focused builds. Come back potential is nonexistent, with the team that gets the early lead easily carrying on to a win. The game is gimmicky. It's not built around skill, but around meta gods and items. Copy-paste strats used to suck the fun out of games in favor of easy w's. In short, it's hilarious unbalanced and better match-making isn't going to fix it. The whole system needs a serious overhaul.

[@HelloHelloe]

Play deadlock instead bro it’s free and balanced and actually enjoyable which is a rarity these days

[@Hostobi]

I waited since AW2 for 3 patches to test 24/7 now ill just wait for another 3 patch cycles to test game again cya in like December

[@nightwing8794]

Coming from a smite 1 player for 8 yrs smite 2 can easily be better than smite 1 and the player base problem for smite 2 is because it isnt yet. Theyve gotta simply the ui’s navigation through through the stor menu is so convoluted especially on controller, fix the sharpness of the game that makes it look pixelated and fuzzy, honest remove actives it add to many button presses to and already control bloated game,reinvent the strength and int concepts to where they dont bloat the store and game. The game already has alot to keep track of so having to do 50 button inputs to buy an item and keep track of int and strength is exhausting

[@BeautyBeastRC]

Smite 2's biggest problem is NO SCYLLA YET

[@LastDescendant100]

Can't blame the company for the player base

[@nuggies2959]

I think the items are a big problem it gets my head in a bunch