Interview with a Software Engineer without CS Degree

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[@Wingcusa]

6:10 John: "It was terrible" Joma:"oh nice"

[@jonnykvids]

Kurtis Chau lol

[@mmasteak]

Joma wasn't really listening the whole interview and got busted! lmao!

[@GangsarSwaPurba]

hahahaha ya i think it's weird too

[@otocinclus]

hahahah

[@2Eliminator]

LMAO xD

[@colinkotar]

John: "...I ended up working for a small Korean firm. It was terrible." Joma: "Oh nice! Ok, Cool!"

[@davidg2479]

Oh, I thought he said he worked for a small Korean farm. This makes much more sense.

[@markiel55]

He simply did not want to get into mentioning the name of the company and humiliate it =P

[@Arbnor93]

This actually gives me so much hope man, im loving the studying with programming, even thought its difficult in some cases

[@toxicburn1]

I'm privileged to work with this dude! Sharp, on point, and sake bombs smasher ;)

[@charon132]

What’s up Joma. I’m a senior SE also at C1 without a cs degree. My background is also in finance (lol why) and I can attest to what this man is saying. It doesn’t matter so much where you start, many employers value your portfolio more than your theoretical college credentials.

[@Hallden_]

Your stuff is great, could you make a video about what one needs to know to be a programmer in your opinion, how to structure your own learning. That would be quite helpful for someone learning to program.

[@bikehandle]

Fast forward to 3 years later...

[@alexanderburton5990]

I just found your channel yesterday. I will be coming back for more great information and good vibes!

[@paoloa6703]

I just enjoy your videos...funny as hell but also brings a lot of value. Especially, to aspiring coders. Thank you...keep up the great work.

[@mathematicssolved]

Your videos are actually well done, keep it up!

[@Lup3r]

I think I'm going to follow a similar route as this guy. Really inspiring to hear that it can be done. Thank you so much for this video man!

[@marshallmathers7865]

Hey what happened How did the journey go? Im planning the same so can you please answer

[@AKIBASTYLE01]

​@@marshallmathers7865he busy working

[@RatherBeCancelledThanHandled]

He's going to be an amazing parent, a lot of parents who force their kids to live a certain way end up breaking their kids mentally, unfortunately a 3rd year mechanical engineer I use to know ended up committing suicide due to the pressure of feeling the need to be a certain way, so I have a lot of respect for those parents who can unconditionally love their children.

[@signaltv4059]

my parents are the opposite of him...so you're totally right man...

[@arvin6409]

These tech interviews are so dope

[@razin275]

These are really helpful Joma, please do more!

[@ledifchalang2035]

O wow this is really inspiring, I too is an accountant and recently hooked up with web programming.

[@JavierMercedes]

Is this video part of another whole plan? Joma Tech's got his path figured out to 1 mil subs already.

[@8sunwukong]

Don't be fooled. Even the "biggest" youtuber, pewdiepie only makes what a typical senior Engineer makes. Only produce videos for YT if you like doing it as a hobby. Make a "living" out of it ------ grow up and stop fantasizing. :)

[@doesitmatter3788]

Sun Wu Kong You must be joking Pewdiepie makes 500k a month And probably works 20 hours a month You don't have to work all day at some company to make decent money I have a friend that codes that makes around 96k a year I believe I use fb to run ads for online sales and I made 68k in my first year 2017 and I don't even know what coding is , I also work a regular job but the pay is shit. I only stay so I can pay bills without drawing from my business Im certain i will make more than her this year in half the time she spends coding or whatever they have her doing over there, idk tbh Life is about grinding and if his channel blew up id bet he would probably switch to yt fulltime hopefully he does his content is great But yt money is miles longer than the salary life

[@peyastig6371]

You'll never be rich working for someone. Doesn't matter f you're a senior developer or a Doctor

[@Scythe1337]

Thank you for this video. Extremely valuable stuff.

[@MrBranh0913]

I've been a software engineer for close to 20 years. And I dont have a degree at all. However I studied like crazy for close to 8 years before landing a dev job. I also worked my way up the tech ladder starting at a pretty low level and building on my experience. It is very possible to have a good tech career without a degree. But you need to be prepared to study like a madman/woman. And be prepared for several years of not being considered good enough. Eventually it does pay off.

[@MrBranh0913]

Steven Lee I think your attitude is the wrong one to have. I studied for 8 years because I liked computer science and it was interesting. Being able to do it professionally is a bonus. But when I started learning there was no idea of a career path. I studied because the topic intrigued me. If I didnt work in tech, I would probably still be writing code and studying the subject. Outside of terrible body shops. Most companies want passionate people. People who enjoy this stuff and enjoy solving interesting problems. And typically what will drive you is a passion for tech. If the only reason you study is because you only hope one day they'll be a job, then that's the wrong approach. This is why a lot of bootcamp graduates and even CS graduates are striking out in the market. I have also never got a job because I knew people. I do have a huge network of people in the industry. But I rarely hit them up for jobs. I hate being that guy who only calls people when he needs work. I'm good enough to get jobs on my own without any existing connections with the management team. When you're good enough you dont need internal referrals. You work speaks for itself.

[@themultigamer5682]

That sounds awful, I'm glad the market for developers has grown a bit since you started. I got an apprenticeship for software developmemt right out of highschool with only 2 years of Java and 1 year of python experience(granted I was still in highschool, and I didn't care about any other subjects, so 2 years of doing nothing but studying CS 18 hours a day VS 8 years of having to balance a life while studying CS), but still to have to wait that long for a chance at a job would've killed me.

[@akshatsingh8953]

Are you rich?

[@EarthIsFlat456]

I assume you had another job during these 8 years?

[@jixu7146]

Im about to college in software engineering. What should I start learning before hand?

[@mirandamanriquez1947]

"I happen to know my brother" XD

[@sarahli6425]

Joma is such a great interviewer, his editing, humor and question asked are so enjoyable

[@cesaredecal2230]

Yes please interview the TechLead. He's awesome!

[@devonpeters5655]

Just wanna say, I appreciate not only your questions and content, but all the unique snippets you add in really make it interesting. Thanks!

[@mahmoudtokura]

Awesome interview. As a parent myself, I'm not crazy about the whole "School is compulsory for success". As along the my kids have a good understanding of basic literacy, they can study however they see fit. I didn't go trough the usual university path but i work as a full-time programmer. I got a bunch of certificates then an advanced diploma in Software Engineering with Java before transferring credit for a one year top-up degree all while working as a developer. There are many paths to success in our time and as long as you have a realistic plan, its all good.

[@MadeyBytes]

I agree with this. I am also an engineer and my degree is in Economics.

[@user-ev5sf7ci3p]

18:46 tells that you have a great place for your parents. Being asian i loved that..god bless u bro

[@ijasdeen3809]

Only Asians can understand that............

[@StokesDaddy]

Blacks and Jews and Hispanics understand that too

[@AnonymousQwerty]

Vegan Pakistani transvestites understand it too

[@ashutosh.sharma]

That was pretty informative and entertaining..Make more of these

[@richardikin]

I have zero computing qualifications and, before I retired, I made it all the way to Software Team Lead. Pretty pleased with that.

[@jakenikol5558]

Damn nice, informative video. Keep that parenting segment!

[@LittleTurtle1011]

thanks for the video. I am a big4 accountant and looking to change career and this gives a lot of insights!

[@marcoscabrinirianidosreis6655]

I just graduate in Economics and I’m learning how to code, it’s nice to see your story

[@MadaraUchiha-ov2ov]

Did you learn bro?

[@GetBackTrolling]

@@MadaraUchiha-ov2ov +++

[@extrix3039]

I love that you guys started talking about wavedashing

[@deanzixinchen2810]

awesome interview, I like how all your questions coincide with I wanted to hear from the guest

[@bltech1703]

Interview the TechLead please :D

[@anishladdha8144]

Y E S

[@mahmoudtokura]

Yes please!!!!!

[@ozolc]

We are waiting for this, Joma.

[@GilletteGaming]

Yeah, this would be cool.

[@gauravchauhan1645]

That guy is a beast super quick and with a busy schedule.. There is very less possibility he would ever come and waste his precious time like this...

[@ntenzz1808]

Inspiring. Though every one of us consider have a different path and opportunity for their own journey. But this is open my mind about struggle to shifting career. I am an accountant too now, just started self-taught myself a code.

[@PhilippeCarphin]

A lot of skills I learned in my degree can be learned online by someone who is disciplined enough to do it on their own. One thing it did give me is that we had a lot of assignments and every single one of them was in teams of two or more. During my whole degree I constantly had important things that would affect my grades depending on other people and my relationships with them. And myself always being responsible for my part in the success or failure of other people. All that means is that if you're a self learner, one of the things you might want to self learn is collaborating with others. Even if you're the superior coder, just having a better solution doesn't mean that your teammate you got paired with is going to be down with that particular solution.

[@jiayoongchong2606]

Yo Joma, UofToronto kid here. You look a lot like Stephen Chow in Tech. Thanks for bringing insights from a much more comedic perspective. The Startup series you made is something I find good at times like this. Those funny quirks , like putting your leg up real high LMAO. You did great and most importantly you don't sound like a Canadian Asian who have real impostor syndrome in our generation. God bless you.

[@EllyTroi]

“I happen to know my brother” me too

[@martinpangan138]

Don't mind all these Sunmi comments Joma, just keep doing your thing man. It's your channel after all.

[@jorgellanque7704]

I love this interview, congratulation guys

[@neversayjello]

5:19 lol, i feel his pain. fuck the CPA exam too, even though I am a CPA. recession was brutal

[@binhxnguyen]

QUALITY VID. Keep it up.

[@PeejFrias]

Enjoyed this chat, and geeked out with you guys about the wavedashing. Retired D.Mario user here heheh. Also, I feel you on the way you might raise a kid in a way that you weren't able to experience. Subscribed fo' sho

[@James-bx2wn]

Very useful information. Wish I looked into this kind of stuff years ago :/

[@techandnavid]

Joma: "I just happen to know my brother"

[@aliasghar907]

Hi Joma, nice vid....congrats on the balling career. Bro, but he still has an ECON degree that prolley helped him get in there....BTW, how many hours a week would you guys say it takes on average to learn pretty O.K level of coding, data, or even web, type of stuff..? or even when you're a fresh junior in the field with a job. Like, do you have to pour your freetime into it to the point you get sick of looking at any computers.....Or is it possible to have some kinda other life things going on while on the journey to becoming a developer? many thx.

[@kevinchoi222]

Great interview! Being an aspiring software engineer from an Econ/Finance background, this video is really helpful and encouraging :)

[@acousticallysane7703]

Why do I see many Economics/Finance people switching careers to Software Development or Technology in general? What's the problem there ?

[@jasonw9251]

@@acousticallysane7703 The pay doesn’t justify the brutal working hours in high finance so people started to look for a job that has similar pay with better work life balance. And that job happened to be software or tech related. No special reasons tbh

[@calvincruzada1016]

"No, I just want to go to Stanford!" lol

[@shawnkoh5195]

Hi Joma, what do you think about information systems vs computer science?

[@Thakko]

Joma, you're motivating me...

[@healthychemical]

That asking dumb questions segment really hit home... it’s hard cuz there are some really brutal people out there

[@kamaladdinahmadzada9965]

Hello Joma i want to ask question: what kind the programs or sites you recommend for adding portfolio?

[@rubbermanburningflowers9204]

Can’t agree more on the Connection thing Many people I know who working on big company were actually get their interview opportunity via Employee referral or recommendation and reference from college professor and tutors You can be super nerdy during college but make sure you have the minimum social skills I think college is the best time to build up connections and get to know some big deal

[@smh6234]

This is crazy. My father went to school for Electrical Engineering. I graduated in Accounting a few weeks ago. Now, i'm learning SQL and Python

[@matejsandor6025]

Hey Joma! I have been watching your videos for a few weeks now and I really enjoy the content. I find your videos very entertaining and also enlightening. I have a few years to choose what universities I am going to apply to but University of Waterloo seems like a pretty interesting idea ( because of the internships ). You appear like a positive and inspiring person and I would like to meet you someday ( hopefully as an intern at Facebook :D ). PS: when you think you are finally good at something there is always Sunmi that is better. Be careful or she might takeover all your subscribers and "fame" :D. Nonetheless, she is a great person :).

[@vanalfredd]

whats poppin master joma !!!!!

[@runningpancakes]

Which was the internship where you got hired without knowing what ls does and how did you manage to get in?

[@Naton]

you know you succeed in parenting when your kids say "i wanna go study" rolf man i love these interviews

[@brun0xbass]

node.js is my jam too

[@sobeidalagrange7129]

Min 7:30 "connections are really important." The beginning of this interview shows how cool John really is!!! He loves JavaScript, uses both PC & Mac, uses Atom... :) Yay, me too!!! :)

[@sobeidalagrange7129]

Min 15:00

[@sobeidalagrange7129]

Min 16:33

[@chosenstatus]

Joma plays Melee? Shit boy I found my new favourite content creator

[@jeffreypaula1405]

I have a minor in CS but i feel overwhelmed what to learn so im just reading some programming books to get more comfortable with it then try to use what i learn by testing it out in action. Hopefully someday create a website to really gain an understanding and confidence in the field. Hardest part is finding time between full time job and family.

[@akemumoren4133]

Watch the KZbin videos about Joma. He’s just for fun don’t buy anything from him.

[@BULLSHXTYT]

Can you put Sunmi as backdrop no matter she will talk or not? It makes the video looks better

[@bruce.lee.]

😂😂😂😂

[@TheCrusaderRabbits]

This interview was really depressing. So basically as a self-taught programmer, I am pretty screwed. I do not know anyone and I did not go to school. My resume will just be passed over. So sad for me.

[@MadeyBytes]

That is not true! If you work on a lot of projects and put them on your resume and on Github/LinkedIn people will pay attention to you! People care more about what you can do FOR them so you should be finding ways to show people what you can do. The best way to do this is usually by building things, which is what you would be doing in the job and this proves you can actually do the work. Also, if you don't know people, go to Meetups, find people on LinkedIn and Twitter and invite them to coffee. Find ways to solve your problems and those of others.

[@kingoftech]

There are so many ways you can get into a tech career: - Contribute to open source, reference the pull requests you have made - Go to bootcamps, hackathons, anything team-based to help network - Get internships under your belt. Don't aim for the large companies (they have so many applicants they will just filter), but getting a foot in any smaller firm will be easy. Work your way up from there, since once you have an internship they will care less about other stuff. Good luck.

[@natckwan]

better get a degree i guess.

[@jackvu.hustle]

My macbook is really cool. Thanks for God!

[@schrodingerscat3912]

i love Joma Tech but that cartoon cut-out doesn't look a daaamnn thing like him lol

[@oleggolovkov784]

Probably I fell in love with your channel)

[@seoulkimchi50]

Hey joma can you interview ux designers and perhaps other variety technical careers?

[@targetful3950]

5:08 when you wanna be cool and think of cool words *Dude man*

[@BAOSSGaming]

I'd love to hop on to talk to you about App Academy if you'd like. I graduated from it last year and now I'm working at Dropbox.

[@Lmao-ke9lq]

BAOSS where?

[@babyluv6514]

Could you recommend a university that I can study software engineering masters? I have a java programming background but no bachelors in CS

[@generalz101]

Yooo Joma you play melee??!! Come get the 4 stock bro

[@PoTommyPo]

19:38 I see that subtle jab at Sunmi’s alma mater

[@philipphilip5472]

such helpful tips thx

[@christianmorera4127]

Capital one seems to always need software engineers in my area but their listings always require a degree

[@cwang9915]

hope the "what is ls" didn't come up at Citadel when you were building a web server..

[@sabianf]

2:42 The conversation did NOT get too nerdy! I understood everything; wheres the rest of the clip?!

[@RandomInternetDude01]

Always love these interview type videos on your channel....They help give me a better perspective when it comes to my career path in the CS field

[@DarwinBetancur]

Hey, can you make a video with developers over 40? that could be interesting, I think.

[@markmanning2921]

taught myself 6502 assembly language in the late 80's in 2 weeks without a computer. been coding ever since. Moved back to the states and LITERALLY made up a complete and utter B.S. resume. The only job on there was a forth coding job with Joy Mining Machinery for 8 months :). Started doing consultant work and every time a contract finished I would add that job to the top of my resume and remove a BS item from the bottom... That was 30 years ago. I have NO degree in anything - i would never have survived career academics trying to tell ***ME*** what was good coding practices or how to do something back then lol... am the author of one of the fastest compilers of any non trivial programming language (there are some now that can compete but not many).

[@b.b4229]

Also a function of the times...I do hope that modern companies judge on capabilities rather than my education.

[@xeofela]

I'm a BCA student and your channel really motivates me in going forward....keep up the good work.....

[@amans6504]

Its been two years, how is it going?

[@xeofela]

@@amans6504 ive completed and now im trying to study data sc

[@amans6504]

@@xeofela you indian? Don't go with data science, you won't get job without MS, phd, no space for freelancing in this niche, and many more.. its kind of research area for mathematic nerds unlike usual programming

[@xeofela]

@@amans6504 what about AI?AND ML then ill learn python and some other stuffs and try to become a fulltime developer

[@xeofela]

Yes im indian

[@HisLostSheep]

I'm planning on doing bootcamp this year. I need to take a full stack JS program and pick up PHP soon after to complete some big projects I've invested 10s of thousands into. Edit: And if my projects don't pan out maybe i can ask my Korean aunt to give me a good reference at the bank she works at, haha.

[@1ycx]

CryptoChat And Then You Might Get Bored Of The Whole Accounting Thingy A Do A Redo ;)

[@hoony30]

Hey Joma, could you interview some people or a person who is in graphics / rendering programming field?? especially AAA game industry? If you could, i will DO express a lot of appreciation... Thanks!

[@tictoc900912]

you dont know ls but you know LogiStics regression.... data sciencing hard joma love from korea

[@imnotgaygay1253]

So is this realistic for an average person working towards it without a degree or is it a small percentage of really intelligent people getting these opportunities? I really want to get into programing, I have no experience atm, but plan on doing a learning program for the certification an education. Would I be able to land a regular high paying programing job after gaining couple years of experience and education? I’m scared of working towards this and not getting anywhere with it or making poop salary due to no degree or something.

[@qwertmom]

“I happened to know my brother” lol

[@dougl4s]

Great vid :)

[@fnv870]

Please tell me this :- So he made his entry into coding after getting a job in whatever degree he did? So he must have been how many yo when he made the effort to learn coding?

[@jibbss5286]

Can we please have a link for the nerdy smash talk?:)

[@912gowtham]

Hey Joma, Can also interview Computer Hardware engineers and share their experience? I am a computer engineer and would like people to know about this field too...

[@Machin396]

This!!!!!

[@stephenchew1665]

AYEEE I'm gonna start working at capital one in August!

[@saad.5323]

Congrats!

[@r3nd3rm4n]

17:36 "My kids like 3 months, he just had his 100th day" Joma: "Is it a he or a she?"

[@steveymcneckbeard]

Some of the best programmers I've worked with had no degree and are self taught.

[@SirLemonizer]

Self taught is continuous learning, which is just being a professional. No?

[@johnhorton3727]

Lemon_Drop self taught != to continuous learning

[@hahhahiaduw]

Would love to see ux designers interview if possible

[@sapito515]

Common dude, I really wanted to see that smash bros conversation...

[@alwaysthelegend9984]

Can you interview a UX Researcher if you know any :)

[@godmakoto1041]

I have a related cs how difficult it would be if I want a soft engineer job?

[@stilixweb3280]

Joma please need your help am confused if i should specialize as a developer i am a web developer now thinking of moving to mobile development please what is your idea about this

[@daphenomenalz4100]

I also want to learn Mechanical Engineering but i have interest in coding, so i am not sure what to choose

[@lunardestruction]

im quite dissapointed u cut the melee discussion short. was in mang0s stream 20 minutes ago

[@ianpalencia3672]

Soo what if you don’t have connections?

[@TheShreyrooney]

Can people having a degree in engineering other than C.S get an internship at any Untitled Large company as a backend developer?