INTERVIEWING A FORMER PLEXUS AMBASSADOR | The friend who inspired my anti-MLM content

[@veggiebeat8375]

Mad respect for your friend for putting herself out there and to the both of you for keeping your friendship alive through all of this.

[@mayaflici374]

This shows one thing: don't push MLMers to leave their company, because they might need more time than you think. Be there for them and stay present until they're ready

[@karenneill9109]

As with any cult, separate out the cult from the person. Keep in contact, let them know your thoughts, but don’t push too hard.

[@VanessaChats]

Also, the other thing I would add to this is to also NOT PURCHASE A CENT from their business. "Just say no" and if they do not accept it, say no again. Keep saying no I am not interested and would like you stop asking. Do not block or unfriend unless it's really awfully persistent however at the same time. Holding firm to not spend a cent on this person's business will eventually also assist them to eventually see the light.

[@Nallenoodles]

😮😢❤😮😢🎉🎉😢😢😂

[@mikaylaroyals9415]

Thank you!! My friend recently joined an MLM and has been pushing hard for me to join and telling her no really made our relationship different. still trying to be in her life and love her through her MLM journey without her pushing me to join or buy.

[@katekramer7679]

This is called the "backfire effect". Thanks, Mormon Stories!

[@eveliinatakkala5389]

If possible, I would love a part 2 where the husband would tell his side on what he saw, thought and experienced when his wife was in Plexus. I think that would be super interesting!

[@kelseygaddy3332]

🙌🏽 And I think it may cause some reflection in anyone currently in an mlm that may watch that.

[@theBestElliephant]

I'm always super curious too. It's one thing to go through it first hand, it's another thing to watch your partner go through all the stages. Especially if he never really got lost in the sauce, his pov would be interesting to hear.

[@stephaniebillman5673]

YES. The whole time I was wondering if it effected the relationship in anyway since we hear that from a lot of ex-MLMers

[@fc7307]

I hope the 2 Hannahs can make this happen. Not just her husband, some other family members like her 3 sisters too.

[@katelynnclark5345]

Yes that would be so interesting!!

[@StonedHunter]

So much respect to your friend for being so open not only with the internet, but with you about what she was feeling about your videos while she was trapped in that MLM mindset. I hope she's doing well.

[@sarahfromtexas]

I'm only halfway through but this is one of the best anti MLM videos ever. I think it really shows how the average distributor doesn't see how deceptive the business model is because it is so widely accepted as how it works.

[@schrdngrskat3847]

And I think since they don't have very many people under them, if any (I never did), they don't see the full impact of being towards the top vs towards the bottom.

[@earlgreyt123]

32:00 I only got this far!😅 She's expressing shame that by recruiting people she was benefitting too. It's great that she's so self aware, but honestly if she's putting in the hours and effort it takes to recruit that many people, surely she deserves her 'wages'?! This is pitched as a business opportunity,, not something entirely altruistic, so I don't blame her for not seeing it how it was. Really feel for her 💞

[@Justkelseyagain]

Omg - no wonder why we feel so close to you! Your speech about how you imagine talking to Hannah through your videos made it all fall into place. You have made so many of us feel so loved and welcomed, to a point where you probably don’t even realize, but WE felt it. Thank you for being our friend, too.

[@nakeychels]

I was literally tearing up. She’s the sweetest, most genuine KZbinr for sure. 🥹

[@cailinanne]

@@nakeychels 🥲🫶🏻 I was too and all I could think was “What a good friend!”

[@Anna-Rose-]

This morning a video came up in my feed about how this one KZbinr conned several other KZbinrs who did collabs with her. She targeted mostly guys and was involved with at least one of them. Apparently the _con_ had a lot of followers so the others trusted her. She was an admin on at least one (I believe it was more than that) and deleted a lot of videos effectively deleting his monetization along with them. At one time the she was doing anti-MLM content but would flip-flop to whatever got the clicks. I remember thinking about how many KZbinrs I would trust with my money like that. Hannah was the first one I thought of. Like you said, it all fell into place.

[@HellsFurby]

THIS THIS THIS! Hannah is amazing already (also your friend Hannah seems so sweet and lovely!) but this really helped click it into place. When you say we felt it, WE SURE DID. Now having the bigger picture it clicks into place and I adore the work Hannah does now even more. ❤

[@JamesQMurphy]

This. Hannah is one of my favorite KZbinrs and hearing how she kept her friend in mind, well it all makes sense.

[@DovahKiink]

I know Hannah has expressed a lot of shame in regards to her time in Plexus, but I hope she also takes pride and comfort in just how STRONG and self-aware she is. What she's done is extremely important (speaking up publicly like this) and I can only hope it will help others - Thank you for being vulnerable with us

[@devoncampbell4161]

When she says she wants to bury herself in a hole thinking about how much she cold messaged.. I felt that in my soul.

[@hannahfinephotography8429]

kindred spirits. haha

[@stephaniethesoprano]

I was a marketing major who had to cold call for one of my class assignments... I too also want to bury myself in a hole tbh, even though it was part of the industry training! To this day, I can't stand cold callers in any capacity, and once I finished my program I really realised how predatory and manipulative marketing in general is, no matter how "normal" it may be. I left that field right after, although I still use the skills I learned in other ways lol

[@itsalayna5416]

Honestly, it takes a strong person to say, "these are the things I did; I thought I was helping, but I was really causing pain." So if you're willing to do that kind of introspection & then come here and tell me, "I know I'm a good person, I know my intentions are good," I'm highly inclined to believe you

[@dianasimplifies]

She is a good example that we need to remember. People who have gotten duped into being in a MLM are not "bad people". Thx for telling your story Hannah! ❤

[@gracelevorse8867]

A 2-hour video? Double Hannahs? Can't wait! Thanks for always making my Mondays more informative. And thanks to both of you for being willing to have these difficult conversations!

[@SarahForeman]

This is so crazy, I was with Plexus for 5 years from 2013-2018 and was 1 rank below Hannah. I continued watching other Plexus reps after I left and I recognize Hannah and knew the team she was on. I was very excited to watch this today!

[@Light-tc8xc]

Dang, how’d you get out after so long?

[@massagetherapymandie]

The keeping your rank, but paying you as a lower rank is so crazy to me! This is clever on the part of Plexus because then they don't have ambassadors "losing rank" in front of their downline, and exposing the flaws of the business plan. It would likely keep people in their funnel longer, because the perception that the business "works if you work it" would take a lot longer show the cracks, because everyone would assume it is just them this happened to! Kind of an 'emperor's new clothes' type story there. Really appreciate you sharing this Hannah!

[@blueviolet-ev8hx]

Yes, that's why they "allowed" to let her go on the emerald trip. They couldn't show that all their reps were losing, it would expose their flawed structure.

[@Hexatomb]

I worked there in IT for years, they specifically set up the system to focus on the highest rank you've achieved and everything is enrollment based. It's not about building a "business", it's about pushing more "welcome pack" sales with enrollments.

[@earlgreyt123]

And everyone at the convention who sees your emerald lanyard think so many other people are achieving it, so can I!🤦🏼‍♀️

[@susanmacmaster5804]

You are truly a class act, Hannah. There are so many anti-MLM people out there, but you deliver the goods in a compassionate, mature and truthful way. Thank you and happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!

[@acatnamedm4529]

Wow, 'paid as' is super sneaky system. Props to Hannah for sharing her story.

[@thomasvaldez8566]

People like Hannah here are why I never hate the distributors, but do hate the companies for preying on people.

[@QueenofMarine]

Well, some of them are pretty vile. Like the woman who was in a "Top Fails" video for exploiting her children for MLM content, just to give 1 of many examples. But yeah, Hannah's friend, Hannah, is a lovely person who made a mistake and I'm sure many of the women who find themselves in MLMs are as well.

[@shelby477]

Interesting that Hannah is in Utah. Hannah A, I think it would be fascinating if you did a video looking into how the Mormon Church is at the heart of so many MLM's.

[@mollyedwards7494]

Bingo!

[@karinaz8756]

MLM- Mormons losing money. It’s a hot market because there are sooo many full time stay at home moms.

[@shannonsampson3267]

​@karinaz8756 A lot of MLMs are owned by Mormons and a lot of Mormons get wealthy from them. Scentsy for example. Their founders are Mormon and they are actually really amazing people. I love the company and the products tbh. I loved my time with Scentsy even if it wasn't majorly lucrative.

[@filiaaut]

I heard the laws in Utah were also very lenient towards MLMs (as in, it's not that much of a risk to start one, and there are very little safeguards to prevent the most predatory practices compared to other US states and countries in the world, I don't think the laws are particularly helpful to the people at the bottom of the pyramid). And since there are so many MLMs there, that's a lot of rich, powerful founders who can lobby for the laws to stay as advantageous as possible for them. @@karinaz8756

[@skylarkkralyks4496]

Hannah has mentioned and focused on the Mormon/MLM connection in several videos. This one has the most that I recall: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKCVe5SLp5V7f5Ysi=aXvppGTTkSOQMacr

[@Ponder_Wonder]

I am so impressed by your friend Hannah. It is so amazing how open and honest she is with this video. I still struggle to talk about my very short time in Mary Kay with people close to me. She is so incredibly brave to share her experience with a bunch of strangers!

[@ridinwithjake]

Yep. She seems like a cool and genuine person. I hope she doesn’t get too much hate from her old Plexus “mates”.

[@PraiseAra]

The fact that you guys are friends makes this such a powerful conversation! This was such a good, well thought out discussion ❤

[@ladidaohoh3168]

Friend Hannah, I don’t think it was a pity invite, I think you were not the only one struggling and how does it look if only 4 ppl go on the Emerald trip, I guarantee the invite from the company was 100% self serving, so you had nothing to feel bad about ❤️

[@massagetherapymandie]

That was my thought exactly. They need you as an "emerald" more than you needed the "free trip".

[@mightyowl1800]

EXACTLY!! Like that was covid year, everyone was already struggling, MLM or not. They absolutely needed folks to help hype up everyone and continue the cycle to keep members involved. Friend Hannah certainly had nothing to feel shame about the "pity invite".

[@ka8544]

Exactly what I was thinking. And what are the odds the reason for SO many people not going was renewing their passports during covid. I’m sure that happened to some, but the company also has a lot of reasons to lie.

[@phactress891]

I'm insanely jealous of this. I dream of the day that my parents finally leave Amway, but they've been in for decades, so I hold very little hope for it.

[@ambermariestewart]

"I just want to make bread and walk my dog" -Hannah ❤ this

[@jessieelliott3157]

My 2 favourite activities😊

[@callie17472]

I think the word Hannah was looking for is ✨embellished✨

[@SerenityNow22]

Or exaggerated

[@caitlinhulsman380]

Exaggerated.

[@mightyowl1800]

The "Paid As" system is so insidious omg. Even when people were struggling to maintain a rank, you would never know and the whole system looks "stronger" because of it. Absolutely wild!!

[@tamie4504]

My friend sold plexus also. She became a different person that I didn’t recognize. Your friend is a sweet soul and got wrapped up in a dishonest company. My friend is also a sweet soul and I hope she gets out like your friend did.

[@cinaprncess]

I relate so much to her story. At least at the beginning when she got involved. And that’s how I got roped into plexus as well. I thought I had a customer account but I was added as an ambassador account. It was so deceiving

[@kartgal]

Hannah joined plexus when she was 20. 20 year olds are essentially children in some aspects, or at least I was when I was 20🤪 I could’ve been duped so hard to join an MLM and not understand why it’s wasn’t a good idea.

[@QueenofMarine]

Definitely. And she said the woman who recruited her was much older which makes me think that she intentionally preyed on Hannah being young, naive, and looking up to her. So gross.

[@winterkeptuswarm]

In high school (18-19) I was giving my email/address away to all these colleges and companies at a job fair.... Right afterwards, there was an MLM that wrote a very business-like email that says I was "accepted" to sell knives. Luckily my parents knew it was an MLM but I remember being salty I wasn't allowed to take this amazing business opportunity to earn money 🙃

[@yolandaponkers1581]

I absolutely adore your friend!!! Such a sweet soul and so brave of her for coming on here to talk about her experience. Sending her tons of hugs and sending you tons of hugs for what you two did here! ❤❤

[@brittanylee723]

I’m 33 minutes in, and I LOVE this video! The self reflection from your friend, your direct but also incredibly kind questions. It’s nice to see someone lead with compassion first, that’s what anti-mlm should be!! Not making fun of people that get manipulated. Education and compassion first, always!

[@katelynnclark5345]

You are one of the only anti-mlm creators I watch consistently because you always have a compassionate, yet honest approach. It makes so much more sense now seeing your friend Hannah and how she was always in the back of your mind. I’m so thankful she decided to share her story! That was so brave and vulnerable of her.

[@cordellchronicles]

I wish I could anonymously send this to a friend of mine who is in her 3rd MLM. I hope she sees the light one one day like Hannah has.

[@dianekiko4504]

If you don’t mind me asking, which ones was/is she in? I just left Color Street after doing Homemade Gourmet, Silpada, and Advocare. Never again

[@cordellchronicles]

@@dianekiko4504 It Works, Beachbody, and currently in Arbonne

[@GeoffreyLaureate]

Same

[@TwoSistersAndSomeYarn]

Thank you Hannah for sharing your story and being honest about it all!! Your story actually gives those of us are are anti mlm hope. We really are not trying to just be evil wenches trying to ruin a friends business. We are trying to SAVE our friends from losing money and friendships!

[@miriah3247]

"It's freaking dark in there man" was my favorite line. 🤣 Your friend Hannah seems so genuine and sweet!

[@rissaallen6298]

Well this was a wild video for me. I started watching your content probably 6 months ago and always thought it was kind of fun we both grew up on Washington. Never did I expect we went to the same high school and had a mutual friend in common 😂 Guest Hannah’s family and mine were very close growing up and our little brothers remain BFFs. The whole reason I starting watching your videos was because the only things I knew about MLMs was from years of seeing your guest Hannah post about Plexus and was curious about what it was all about. I’d always thought it definitely wasn’t for me, but if it worked for Hannah, great for her, and we weren’t close enough anymore to me to have a good conversation with her about it. So this was… fascinating to finally hear the whole story. Thanks for sharing and opening up Hannah, and I’m always wishing the best for you 💙 and thanks KZbin Hannah for your lovely and informative content!

[@HannahAlonzo]

Oh wow! What are the odds! 😱

[@rissaallen6298]

@HannahAlonzo the way my jaw dropped when I saw the thumbnail 😂😂😂

[@yolandaponkers1581]

I know that you’ve heard this a million times, but your approach is truly why you are my favorite anti-MLMer and one of my top five favorite KZbin personalities of all time. I’ve watched so, so many anti-MLM creators who claim not to be making fun of the huns, but they blatantly and repeatedly do. It’s gaslighting, basically. “Ew, look at her teeth. No, I’m not making fun of her. I’m just pointing out her gapped teeth.” I don’t like that and I don’t respect that. It’s not kind and it’s totally unnecessary. You are so humane and so gracious with this and now we can see why. Sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU for what you do and for clearly being a kind friend!

[@libertymedicalcommunicatio4908]

Second

[@schrdngrskat3847]

I completely agree! Hannah is so kind and compassionate, and she can be snarky at times, but you can tell that she's still separating the behavior from the person. I sometimes like watching CC Suarez, but it does bother me when she makes comments about people's looks or other ad hominem comments because I think it detracts some from her valid points about the behaviors. She does show compassion, but I think making that type of comments takes away from the message.

[@yolandaponkers1581]

@@schrdngrskat3847Not to start drama, but CC is actually who I was referring to 😂 I don’t like how she’ll make fun of their eyes, hair, clothes, etc. and then try to convince us that she’s not actually making fun of the person. Like, we have ears and a brain, ma’am. Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

[@HolldollMcG]

1:46:37 "I just wanna make bread and walk my dogs" Omg I relate on a cellular level!

[@Just.a.girl.named.Kristy]

The things that is never really explored is after all that time, did Hannah understand that recruiting and manipulating people into the mlm was the way to go? I mean yes she was innocent the way she was recruited and started. But after some time she had to have realized that being the "bad guy" is the way to go higher up in the mlm. The pressure to do all you can to hit rank is a lot on a person, but that means the downline usually get late the pressure too. I figured out what I was doing a few months into my mlm. I was the bad guy and I made sure I picked my words carefully, I knew who to target and who to talk to. Me, my upline, and a bunch of my direct downline (those I personally recruited) knew exactly what we were doing and we all planned how and what was working and then passed that info around. I wish this is discussed more because that needs to be exposed to show how the mlm structure turns good people into the not so kind "hun bot"

[@karinaz8756]

I think she touched on it. She mentioned that she started seeing people as “potential recruits “ and not as friends or just meeting someone new. The MLM penetrated her entire mindset.

[@Chyaz]

I think this is the single best piece of anti-MLM content I’ve ever seen. Hannah, you were a fantastic interviewer, and I say this as someone who was a TV news anchor interviewing people daily myself. Your questions were so respectful but you really got to the heart of the issues, and that’s so commendable. Friend Hannah, I think you are amazing. I don’t know many people who would have the guts to open up like you did, I think you did a fantastic job of explaining what those years were like for you. Thank you both for this important and insightful video ❤

[@shae113]

This was such a powerful conversation. The thing I kept realizing was how much your friend Hannah talked about the negative feelings that surrounded so much of her time in Plexus. The stress, the guilt, the shame, the strain it put on relationships, all of these underlined every story she told. I can see how easy it is to get caught up in a whirlwind of activities and then suddenly realize that it's not the shiny, happy facade that it looked like. I wish her the best!

[@LisaDaVonne]

I clicked so fast I can’t wait to listen to this on my 2 Hour drive!!! Thanks Hannah for making my Mondays feel like Fridays!!!!

[@alyt413]

Being stuck in a hospital bed with pneumonia stressed AF about spending the night away from my 4 yo for the 2nd time EVER and this pops up to distract me a bit. THANK YOU!

[@sammie_dee]

I hope you are feeling better!

[@majkentheswordfighter]

Great to see that you guys remained friends. ❤

[@mykamcgane6726]

This is a love letter and it made me cry at several points 💚 you are both so genuine and lovely

[@zettabat]

Hearing the talk about the cult mentality, knowing these videos I binged on this channel were literally what helped me wake up out of my cult I was raised in... Its really shocking how similar they get

[@SolaireHighwind]

The discussion about motives is really interesting. People in other types of work (actual business owners, employees, contractors, etc) are usually pretty upfront that they're trying to make a living, it's strange how some MLM people will avoid that "I'm making a profit" angle - there isn't anything wrong with making a living on its own, just with doing it in a predatory way.

[@Jaxmusicgal23]

I’ve had friends that do this to me or churches, in order to convince me to do things that aren’t in my best interest, but in theirs…. Even my last social circle I noticed that we were only going to one person‘s house all the time and it was 40 minutes away from most of us and so I brought up the fact a hole that we should be sharing the location or going to to a central location that’s equal for all of us. The person who is “hosting” turned down initially with the idea that “it was in her heart” to have mom’s come to her house so they could relax… but that never really happened because all the kids would run amok, and we would end up having to discipline them. I finally started asking more questions and directly told her that I needed to have the social events at my house once in a while … she finally broke down and tried the “my heart is” discussion, but I pressed further, and she admitted that she just didn’t want to be bothered to get her kids together to go to somebody else’s house. That’s when I politely told her none of us feel that way and we are getting burned out. At least I’m getting burnt out constantly having to bring my kids 40 minutes away every single week and sometimes twice a week. It would be helpful if she would be willing to sacrifice like we are, and come to the other women’s houses. She refused quoting “her heart” . I knew at that point was the end of the social group because this was unsustainable, especially for me … my other other friend is willing to sacrifice in order to “keep the group together“… but a lot of the other people don’t have husbands and I saw a quote in the group chat I stayed in about how people were so willing to go long distances to keep churches/social groups together in poor countries. We aren’t in a poor country and I can build a new social structure around my local area … in fact, I reached out to some friends in my neighborhood. I had lost touch with, and things are going a lot better because we take turns…. it’s so much better when people share the load instead of try to prove everybody what they want is everyone else’s best interest when in fact, it’s just in their best interest. I feel like we can get this way sometimes when we aren’t honest with ourselves … and that’s fine because we all do that. The problem arises is when someone kindly shows you that it’s not fair or equal that you continue to insist people do it your way… that’s when it gets dysfunctional and can hurt others. I feel like women can sometimes trick themselves and be tempted into this kind of pattern in more than just business or MLM’s … it’s definitely present in some social groups as well. We should really be doing better at holding ourselves personally accountable, and thus holding others accountable for a give-and-take in any kind of relationships. We are in and to be willing to be honest with ourselves, when we are the one taking advantage of others, and not realizing it… go ahead and make it right and reach out and apologize… it does help

[@earlgreyt123]

Yep, salespeople have been making exaggerated claims for generations, we all know the game and understand they're just making a living. Hiding the motive as altruism probably makes it easier for non-sales trained people to justify selling to their mom ....😱

[@mars4697]

I am a huge anti MLM follower and my BFF is in one. We have had chats about it and it comes down to our friendship is more important than each of our perceptions of MLM’s.

[@BluEyedGrynch]

(Friend) Hannah is so strong for being so vulnerable. So much respect for how open she is willing to be.

[@tia-wald]

I was an"ambassador" in Plexus. Never even reached "Silver". Almost but never quite had enough pv. But I remember my friends going to convention, because we were encouraged to go cause of the energy you can then take with you and grow ur business. My friends were very low on the totem pole and were basically left to their own devices while the high ups on our teams went to all the events and parties and special things that were only for higher ranks,and got all the gifts and swag. And they went in search for food,and of course it's Vegas and everything was SOOOOOO expensive. I can remember being glad I hadn't gone. Didn't need those charges on my cc, thank you !

[@Sarahhannahtx]

SAME

[@Itsmysoapbox]

A friend of over 10 years has quit her job to become a „lifestyle coach“ which is it’s own cult and she also joined 2 MLM‘s. She is living in a toxic positivity bubble, she spent $ 10’000 on a so called masterclass and says it was an invest in herself, she also thinks that having zoom calls and creating „experience packages“ for her website that get more more expensive is actually working. She has no skills or credentials in this field but is a lovely person and it makes it even harder to watch. I am watching those anti MLM videos to educate and prepare myself for the moment she weaks up and needs support. Keep up the good work, it‘s so helpful ❤

[@jacquelinediramio8438]

I hope that your friend gets out before too much damage is done to herself or those around her. You sound like a good friend.

[@Itsmysoapbox]

@@jacquelinediramio8438 thank you for your kind comment. I feel quite powerless and we don‘t meet as much as we used to, maybe I am less important to her and an „outsider“. I‘ll be there for her if she needs me.

[@Bab3Bat3]

Ugh but the fact shes hurting so many ppl who don't realize shes not qualified for anything hits me hard

[@erinw8435]

Wow. So many great points to make about this video ❤ - Hannah (your friend) is amazing for having the courage to do this public interview - She seems like such a genuine and kindhearted person - This is proof that Hannah’s videos are truly out there making a difference in people’s lives! - The topic of life after leaving the MLM is so interesting and doesn’t get talked about enough! - We all need a friend like Hannah Alonzo ❤️

[@agasha21]

I’m usually a silent watcher but just wanted to say that I enjoyed watching this raw and compassionate conversation very much, it was so refreshing to hear a first hand experience from someone so relatable. Good job and thank you both 🤍

[@FireVixen164]

Hannah is so brave coming onto the channel and being so honest :). It's really interesting to hear some of the lingering brainwashing ideas that she, I presume, will work through slowly as time goes on :). Soooooo glad she's escaped the trap and can focus on honest friendships again!

[@nikkilovesbooks27]

I'm 20 seconds in, and I'm already in tears. I'm so excited for this video. I'm so proud of your friend for leaving Plexus

[@kalikakanitkar]

This is SO WELL DONE. Your emphasis on education and compassion informs my own content as well, for similar reasons. Thank you both for this vulnerability ❤️

[@Rando911]

Well said! Totally agree!

[@rachelsmith298]

I got happy tears for Hannah when she verbalized how messed up the structure in an MLM is and how she did nothing wrong but still couldn't make it. She had quit but in that moment she really saw it wasn't her fault, it was designed to fail eventually. Thank you both for sharing.

[@AppalachianAllegory]

Your friend Hannah's kindness just shines through her. She seems like such a sweet person.

[@sueb]

Your ability to talk about this topic with so much care and compassion is impressive!

[@ExtraHecticana]

The problem i see with a lot of anti-MLM creators is they say "statistically, it's unlikely people will make money" but thats a bad way to describe it... they are DESIGNED for the people at the bottom lose money just so the people at the top can make money. 90+% of people losing money is BY DESIGN, it doesn't just happen by chance. And when you say "most people don't make money in MLMs", they easily just say "that's because those people don't work hard enough"... but they are designed so it doesn't matter how hard people work, the vast majority have to lose money so those at the top can get it

[@nuovosalario]

Yes because most of the money flows within the pyramid, therefore the money flows from the bottom (monthly purchases by distributors) to the top. Well said

[@Jaxmusicgal23]

The day I learned that looking at Arbonne and plexuses financial statements, and the income statements was the day I refuse to ever be a part of another “recruitment” for any business

[@kiterafrey]

MLMs are ran like cults (thus the term commercial cult) and as someone raised in Pentecostal cult, you can't pull anyone out before they're ready. It is why logic and compassion are so important.

[@carmendavila272]

I just can’t fathom how people can afford to spend $300+ on supplements a month, especially when a lot of the women buying/selling Plexus are stay at home moms. I tried to make sense of the compensation plan, and I couldn’t figure out how sellers could possibly sell plexus and not lose money every month.

[@aw4417]

they're in the red and live on their spouse's income. The husbands/boyfriends are the real victims

[@carmendavila272]

@@aw4417 Plexus needs to lower their absurd prices (their “triplex” supplements cost as low as $25 together at the grocery) and stop using an MLM “employment” model that just screws people out of their money. Even this sweet lady who was an EMERALD, is on here saying that over the six years she worked for Plexus she overall LOST money, even being at the second highest “rank” and having 200 people working underneath her. She even said that within a month, HALF (100) of those people dropped out, and she lost her emerald status just like that.

[@Jaxmusicgal23]

We don’t and we believe we are until we actually look at the truth and then it’s so embarrassing. People either quit completely or they continue on trying to prove they can make money…. I didn’t drink the full Arbonne Kool-Aid, so luckily when I never made money, I didn’t go on trips to make more money and spend more money to make money… But man it can suck you in if you’re not careful, I almost got sucked in . I feel bad I wasted my savings on it too 🤦‍♀️…. Granted, that was 15 years ago. I was also working full-time and making my own money and investing my own money in Arbonne but I definitely wasted my income … it could’ve gone to so many other things. Lesson learned …. Now I am the stay at home mom and you can’t convince me to do anything like that… I sooner have habitual yard sales of my leftover extra stuff and sell it on eBay rather than another MLM.

[@carinaraymond2]

I love this, because friend Hannah inspired anti-mlm Hannah and is kind of the reason for the content creator we have today!

[@RuthLang]

You were both so kind and loving with each other. To the Hannah who bemoaned the time you lost: I’m in my 40s and finishing my second bachelor’s degree and planning on starting a masters program soon. It isn’t too late!

[@hcwally]

I once got a message out of the blue from an acquaintance in an MLM who was trying to meet her task goals for contacting people. She sent me an obviously copy and pasted message, and then in second message she literally accidentally included the instructions and the third message 😂 it said something like" * wait for them to respond, then send: * " in the middle of it. It made me laugh but also cleared up why so many MLM cold message conversations I've received or seen posted online feel so bizarre and disjointed. It doesn't matter what you say, they're responding the same way if they have a script like that from their upline. I'm so grateful Hannah got out. She really does seem like a very sweet person.

[@bethanybsoprano]

OMG you could've interviewed me about my time with BODi and it would've been almost identical. The tasks they give you to do, the conventions, the "lifetime" vs "paid" rank, the end of month hustle. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.

[@Beth71410]

Ex plexus hun here! Hi! I have a friend still in it and she asked her friends who quit buying products from her to sign up again under a different email to help reach her rank. And she definitely had uplines buying under her as well. She practically begs on fb for people to help her reach her goal. I’m glad I finally realized I was losing money and theres no free trips. I watched my friend cry wondering how she was going to get to her free trip bc she couldn’t afford it and then have her mom repeatedly bail her out financially many times for similar situations. She brags on fb about how much the extra incomes helps her family which is not true. Plexus is very deceitful. Hopefully she realizes she’s supporting the business model by buying products. Baby steps tho. I get it. It took me awhile to finally quit them and cancel my ambassador account.

[@lina95992]

Props to her for being willing to do this to maybe help someone else. That must take a huge amount of strength. Loved the video as always with your videos, but this might be a new favourite!

[@Jenna_Miles]

Shoutout to Hannah! Can’t have been easy to talk about all this so publicly but she may well be helping many people by doing so, so kudos to her! 💫💫💫

[@kay.smi2424]

I appreciate Hannah’s willingness to speak her truth. I think it’s important for people to see that you can leave and still have things that you loved about your experience. I’m sure this video will be helpful to a lot of people.

[@TheMeganExperience]

She brought up a good point at the end and it's the one I always think about when it comes to folks who try REALLLLLY hard to succeed at an MLM; imagine if they used that same tenacity and sales acumen to actually sell a product for a legitimate company. There ARE sooo many high paying/high commission sales roles for legitimate companies that provide benefits, retirement, and growth opportunities.

[@maryannsy4129]

This was a lovely and very informative conversation between two friends. Obviously, you respect each other.

[@galactics]

hannah seems like a really kind person - i feel bad that she had so much guilt and stress for the final few years over ranks, the car...so glad she's out! wishing her the best going forward

[@luckdragon333]

hannah, you need a podcast!!! this conversation is amazing!!

[@erinw8435]

Would totally be down for another interview with Hannah! Even after this amazing interview, I still have so many questions I’m curious about :)

[@karantha333]

This is an amazing interview. While listening, I found a "master list" of MLM's and copied it to my phone, just in case for research. I just can't believe there's a MLM around Diamond Dot Painting pictures. Some of the companies are bizarre! Great work to both of you!

[@lilycollegemythbusters5532]

How frustrating that people are losing years of their life and ruining so many relationships with friends and family and for what? The ego of these people who think it does not apply to them. Ugh! That is the source of so much damage! I am glad that these friends can still be friends. Best of luck to both of them! Keep the positive message going!

[@Zimzum93]

It's not ego that makes people think it doesn't apply to them - it's hope and brain washing and cognitive dissonance. They're victims even if they're unlikeable as ffff and also victimising their own downline as well, they are still victims of the mlm.

[@karinaz8756]

A lot of these women have the people pleaser gene. They care too much about what other people think.

[@JustARandomInternetUserHere]

People are just really really bad at predicting chance. It's why raffle tickets work so well, or scratchers. Nobody is completly immune to this. It's just not something we're good at as a species.

[@PopChanx]

This might sound weird, but I'm so proud of Hannah! She seems like an incredible person, and so astoundingly honest and straightforward. This video was great, and I'm glad you two shared this conversation with us. Much love to all!

[@sarahclay7982]

I am blown away by Hannah 2's strength in talking so openly and honestly here, and I can see why you love her so much, what an amazing soul she is!

[@ameliacoburn4787]

This was really great and infomative! Thanks so much to your friend Hannah for being willing to share so much! I was in a MLM for a shorter time, I can so relate to the "cringe". And yes all her experiences are very normative!!!!

[@galactics]

"you can't see when you're in the black hole" "yeah, cause it's freakin dark in there man!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@andrealai2807]

I love this. My sister did the same thing with me - waited and loved on me until I was ready to leave my MLM and now we chat about it together and there is so much closeness there - so much respect for you Hannah and also your friend for being so strong and sharing her story. I relate to a lot of it!

[@michellethemotherofboys9950]

Growing up with parents who were in an mlm since before i was born, this interview helped me understand some things and some choices my parents made, so thank you for this video!

[@annakout]

I just finished watching this video and man my heart broke for her several times, especially when she was talking about her “free car” and her relationship with her sister. Such a great video.

[@the_ben_keen]

I normally don't watch videos that are over 60 minutes except when I have KZbin playing in the background, but this video is TOTALLY worth the time. The insight provided in this video is amazing! I give you both credit for not allowing the MLM rip your friendship apart like we see happening time and time again. This might be the best anti-MLM video from any creator this year!

[@eleniantoniou8287]

It’s mind blowing that it took your friend so long to admit to herself that she was being manipulated and blind-sighted. I hope she does not endure any backlash from Plexus. This was so brave and hope this helps many others who know deep down the reality that MLM’s will never make you rich and open their eyes! Thank you for your videos Hannah! 🙏🏼❤️❤️

[@tash4270]

19:13 I’m not very far in but thank you so much Hannah and Hannah for doing this together! Well done to you ex-Plexus Hannah for coming forward to talk about your experience and answering those burning questions and thank you other Hannah for just being the kind compassionate human that you are throughout this interview. Not a shred of ‘mean girl’ energy here ever and I, and I’m sure many others, love you for that.

[@horsenroundstudio]

This was amazing. I didn't even realize it was 2 hours when I started watching and just sat here working on product for my next show. Mad props to you both. I do want to comment on one of the early conversations where you feel guilty about being happy that something also benefits you. As a handmade small business owner and educator, I want to say that it is totally fine to feel this way. You can be excited about helping others AND furthering yourself. There aren't enough actual small business owners who are artists who think this way. I teach fiber arts to help others find a relaxing way to spend their time, but ALSO because it can add potentially regular buyers and because they pay me to teach those classes. I get excited when I see someone sink into one of my shawls and feel pretty and comfortable and warm, but also because they're handing over money for one of my creations that others may also see and covet. You can be both, in any business situation! Much love and respect, ladies. Well done.

[@wanwan2180]

more than the MLM aspect, you show such a good example of how to be friends with someone with opposing views. I feel like nowadays too often people view those with different views as the enemy that you have to call out and shun and if you are friends with them it makes you bad too. You really show that friendship is more than just agreeing on everything, and compassion for each other is so much more important. It makes me want to show this video to people who are in a similar situation even if the differing view isn't about MLMs.

[@rrachelbeann]

2 hours and not interrupted by Zeke or Cooper once! They were on their best behavior.

[@shelby477]

This is lovely! I'm only a few minutes in, so I know none of the details yet, but I have such admiration for your friend Hannah doing this. It's a testament to a great friendship. Also I love that she referred to stage of life rather than "season", haha. There are great new phrases and words that truly fill a need, but I see no need to replace perfectly good words that work perfectly well. I do realize I'm being needlessly critical of a stupid thing. But your friend using stage was heartwarming. ❤ Also, I would blame my age for being a slang weirdo, but alas, a few classmates using groovy in the 6th grade set my teeth on edge. I think that was 67, or 68. 🤷‍♀️

[@alexisk8888]

2 hours?! Oh my gosh I’m so excited. What a different type of video. Can’t wait!

[@ryannkaplan]

I just finished watching and wow this is an awesome video. a lot of great insights from both Hannahs. Kudos to both of you for your vulnerability throughout.

[@kparham]

Congratulations to Hannah for getting out of Plexis and props for being brave enough to make this video!

[@haruuuuu1115]

this is such an insightful and valuable interview. so many creators in the anti mlm space are entitled, self centered, and mean under the guise of being truthful and giving out tough love. with hannah, you can just tell in all her videos how compassionate and understanding she is, especially in this interview. ❤

[@plaguemaiden]

this makes me so emotional??? your friend seems like a huge sweetheart and im so glad she has you here for her on the other side. the part where you told her about picturing yourself talking to her when you make your videos made me tear up :')

[@The_Spicy_Bajoran]

This is great!! Hannah and Hannah are lovely people, and I think that the other Hannah is really brave for being so open to strangers about her MLM journey.

[@-c3202]

All the kudos to your friend-such an incredibly brave and vulnerable thing to share with the internet. As many others have said, having someone you know who is a member of the group you are criticizing can be an important piece of recognizing the humanity of those individuals, a thing that is so often ignored

[@HolldollMcG]

Thank you both for exemplifying how we can all be civil and have respectful boundaries and kind relationships even though we may come from/be in totally different spaces. Anti MLM doesn't have to be a war against people *IN* MLM, and being in one doesn't have to mean you cut off everyone who isn't fully behind it, although these groups nearly always try to push that idea. We can disagree and still coexist. Glad Hannah is out now and that your friendship wasn't ruined bc of it.

[@soggytortillla]

Major props and respect to Hannah for coming on here and speaking, im sure it took a lot of courage and vulnerability❤️

[@BlueEyedSkinner]

Big hugs to Hannah. Hang in there girl. You got off a roller coaster/rat wheel you didn't even realize you were on. Thank you for being brave and telling your side of things. I bet there are a lot of people who will listen to you and relate. And thank you Hannah for giving her a safe space to learn why MLM's are harmful. ❤

[@hibaaqahmed9099]

Wow, this was a very mature and respectful conversation. If only people who have differences in life talked like this. Thanks you two for this video. ❤