Interviewing Hate Preacher Steven Anderson's Son

[@isaacanderson2152]

Quick message for any NIFB members/ supporters who found this and are now angry: Watch the entire interview in context before getting mad at something I said. Everything I said about my life and childhood, with the exceptions of when I added my opinion, was objective fact and not exaggerated or embellished. I think I was as fair and unbiased as I could be discussing some truly reprehensible things that happened. If after watching everything you're still mad I dared say not everything about your churches and the pastors you practically worship was perfect, then I have nothing for you because you are clearly unreasonable. Any of you can feel free to approach me with your questions or concerns and l'd happily take the time to explain everything.

[@sfbcvancouver3167]

All that talking and not one of you complimented eachother on your hair.

[@fuchsfarbe7660]

I know this video focused heavily on your father, but what is your relationship like with your mother currently? Has she ever expressed remorse or apologized for anything? I know she didnt personally do the beatings, but she had to realize maybe at some point that maybe her children were in danger, at the very least, worried. You mentioned your brother, Solomon, bleeding profusely and then given yardwork, I dont think you may realize how serious that could have been. Sure he is okay now, but he could have had a concussion on top of dehydration. I am merely just asking some follow up questions. In some ways, your upbringing was fairly relatable to mine and I appreciate how vocal you have been about it, as well as unapologetic. - An ENBY named Oliver

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@sfbcvancouver3167I wish this was a real account because it's such a sick burn, thanks for the laugh

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@fuchsfarbe7660She has apologized and regrets past mistakes. We get along, we recently went to Germany with my wife to visit family, her and I have a good relationship.

[@ashlieleavelle]

I am curious if your dad ever apologized for being over- the- top in discipline? Did people in your church and family know how you guys were beat?

[@AdamBarnett256]

"It happened to me and I turned out fine" is something I hear a lot from people who absolutely did not turn out fine.

[@nathangrant1824]

i didn't have an upbringing anything like as bad as isaac's but there are some parallels with his religious life and the corporal discipline. i was fine. until i wasn't.

[@madeofwax92]

that's always a huge red flag

[@mastersquinch]

@@parkcrashers5922you really going to put those two comments one after another like they don't directly contradict each other? lmao you loser. go troll somewhere else

[@Shane-hx4xp]

@@parkcrashers5922you need to seek therapy bud

[@KavsLockedOut]

@@parkcrashers5922 shut up ya bellend

[@rachelhuitsing1876]

Honestly, the way Isaac spoke about his dad not remembering his violent outbursts reminded me of parts of my childhood. My dad was a cop while I was growing up, and he had severe but un-diagnosed C-PTSD for years *while I was still at home. My father never got physically violent, but would yell and verbally abuse us (especially me, as the oldest) and then blissfully state that he had never yelled, or ever gotten "that mad". As a child this was completely disorienting and terrifying. I'm not alleging anything about anyone, just noticing patterns.

[@Tree-House69]

Oh hey, same hat, mine was a cop and a wannabe cult leader, whenever these things overlap its wild just how identical the abuse usually is. I've known more than one other person who had a wannabe cult leader cop dad who was violently abusive, which for me is completely mind boggling, but it's good to know I'm not alone in a way.

[@grumpysphinx4911]

That part really made me tense up bc it reminded me of my own father, who was a narcissist (an actual person with NPD, not just using a buzzword) and also had C-PTSD. Every time he was abusive and hurt someone he would claim not to remember it, that he hadn't done anything, we were misinterpreting or distorting / exaggerating his actions, etc.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

"and then blissfully state that he had never yelled, or ever gotten 'that mad' " oh wow, I had kinda forgotten about that part! Did you ever get the impression that your dad genuinely _believed_ what he just said, somehow? Because that was my experience.. it was so strange. As if he had somehow completely severed the connection between himself and recognition of his actions. Maybe he was literally [metaphorically] blind with rage? And I had never really thought about that aspect of things too much, but you're right: it DID make it more disorienting and scary! After long enough you start to second guess yourself.. "maybe he wasn't yelling, and I'm just losing it?" But then you remember you just had to wipe spit globules off your face because he was screaming six inches from you, so that's a pretty good indication you're not "just being a baby". Anyway, I appreciate you saying that. it was really insightful :) I hope your monday is as decent as a monday can strive to be 🤗

[@rachelhuitsing1876]

@@idontwantahandlethough oh yeah, I think he was having blackout rages. He truly could not conceive that he had been anything less than calmly rational. He started to believe that he would act in ways he needed to apologize for, but he would do the thing where he would call himself a horrible father and make us feel guilty and like we had to reassure him after his apology, which, like totally not appropriate. I'm glad you felt seen on this Monday.

[@TreagDonaldson]

Can relate. Similar childhood. Dad was law enforcement and a veteran. Not the easiest parent child relationship back then lol. We're cool now. He's gotten help and it's been like 20 years since then.

[@PatrickWDunne]

_NOTICE: I don't want ANY personal attacks against Isaac in my comments. I have been in contact with Isaac since the interview and he has shown nothing but good faith and a willingness to learn more about my own beliefs and worldview._ You're waaaaaayyyyyy more understanding and forgiving than any of the self-proclaimed Christians on the Right. Someone like Matt Walsh or Steven Crowder would never discourage their audience from sending personal attacks to ideological opponents featured on their channels. Honestly, I'm very impressed by your ability to have these difficult conversations.

[@deaddomain]

Doing my best 💕

[@THE_TROLLS_WIN_BOY]

Lol

[@TheLocomono9]

It’s not our job to pull these people out but we should reach out if we can. Isaac seems level headed at the moment so why not try

[@grmpEqweer]

​@@TheLocomono9I have to go to work, but I both agree and disagree. I think his fascism is more than, ahem, skin deep. I'm hearing big dog whistles ...Although I WANT to like him. Even if he would despise me, in person.

[@BlaireSnorlax]

​@@TheLocomono9 I'd argue it kind of is our duty. People who are raised in extremist environments or have extremist parents deserve for someone to come by and help them see things in a different, more positive light. If people hadn't done the same for me, I'd be a transgender woman who is also a slur-throwing, right-wing christian extremist. Instead, people helped me see things differently. I learned I was trans in June of 2019. I started to change as a person in February of 2020 because of not only having that weight lifted from my shoulders, but from the fact that people around me were helping me find my way. 2015 is where I found my extremist qualities, because I was a stupid, easily-fooled and even more easily convinced child who "knew" that trans people were bad. That all trans people were calling everyone bigoted for the smallest things imaginable. I believed trans people were just doing it to be special. Even with all that above, it's not mentioning my slur usage, the amount of hate I spread about stuff like ACAB, BLM, and all the things I believed that were so cosmically wrong that I'm embarrassed to have memories of my life from 2014 to 2019. I know I was wrong. I was so, so wrong, and I'm happy that people helped me find my way no mayter howw indirectly that they did. I lost friends who weren't worth much as friends, but I gained more friends and now am a good bit happier since I'm not consumed by bigotry and hate. Moral of the story is this: Without people seeing it as their duty to help pull bigots out of that hole of extremism and hate, I wouldn't exist as I do now. I would be all the worse for it.

[@shummers]

His parents let their children watch the Mario movie, and he's a lifelong plumber. The plumber agenda, smh.

[@isaacanderson2152]

Solomon is a plumber too, you have no idea how deep this goes...

[@thethirdchimpanzee]

​@@isaacanderson2152There's an "unplumbed depths" joke there but I am too tired to work it out...

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@thethirdchimpanzee 💀💀💀

[@XavierDonaldCalibur]

​​@isaacanderson2152 What jobs do John, Miriam, and Becky do? (Assuming the last two are even allowed to work because Women must cook and clean or something)

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@XavierDonaldCalibur All three have jobs outside the home, their professions are none of your business

[@mrbubbies_]

I’d never talk to this guy personally if I had the chance, but there’s a particular deep sadness I feel when I hear stories of abuse from cis men, and the way they speak about it with a chilling kind of acceptance, or “peace”? No one deserves that.

[@isaacanderson2152]

It's not so much acceptance, I know it was very wrong and unacceptable. But it's in the past, feeling sorry for myself will accomplish nothing, I'm a happy guy, why should I dwell on unhappier times when I'm doing well now?

[@grmpEqweer]

@@isaacanderson2152No intrusive memories? No nervousness for no legit reason? No easy irritability? ...If so, cheers.

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@grmpEqweer Am I supposed to? I'm a pretty happy guy, I definitely have bad days, but my life is chill.

[@aliciadalbey1201]

I think that’s a really powerful outlook

[@hyliastone286]

​@@isaacanderson2152That makes sense. I believe there are two reasons to dwell on such times - working through them in therapy to unpack and heal from your trauma, and then advocating for change to help victims or prevent more people from being victimized - but outside of that, you're absolutely right, there is nothing to be gained from dwelling in resentment

[@birdy-black]

I remember when you did the church. Your channel has grown so much, if I was you, u would be so proud of my contributions. I'm so excited and happy with you that your able to do what you do with such effect. Definitely one of the content creators who I most admire, thank you for doing you. You bold being. Loving it❤

[@deaddomain]

Thank you. I really appreciate it 🙏

[@birdy-black]

@@deaddomain xoxoxoxoxoxoxo

[@mitzzzu_tigerjones444]

That’s easily what brought me into this channel❤

[@surpriseimblack]

​@@deaddomain You're a true journalist. It appears that you're taking a naked, unbiased look at the situation before dissecting and reporting back. This whole video could have been one shouting match...

[@dianetigert1310]

when will Isaiah 8:20 ans Matthew 7:12 ever be talked about with those who profess to believe??

[@avery1703]

Fuck, hearing the stories Isaac tells about getting beaten... absolutely heartbreaking, both for him and every other child growing up in that church. It absolutely is barbaric and inhumane, as he says. Really impressive of both of you to do this talk tbh. Obviously I disagree heavily with many of Isaac's views, but I'm genuinely impressed at his willingness to talk to you and his openness. He mentions several times not questioning his circumstances at the time, and says that he just recently watched The Truman Show, and I'm reminded of the line Christoph says: "We accept the reality with which we're presented."

[@deaddomain]

Thank you for watching. 💕

[@Pickles9999]

​@@deaddomainGreat, hearts are breaking for this actual nazi. He was open to talking to you because of your whiteness. You thought this was an okay idea because of your whiteness. Nazism is not a trait, nor a product of abuse. We cannot entertain trying to rehabilitate these people. I've seen you compare nazism to addiction, which is not true, and it is harmful to assert. Delete this video. Rethink your whiteness.

[@rosiejl2798]

Yeah hearing the details as someone whose parents were never abusive, it made me feel physically sick. It sounds like his dad absolutely could kill one of his younger children.

[@Tree-House69]

Oh absolutely, the last part hits the nail on the head so much.

[@suspiciouswatermelon7639]

You are supposed to be at your kids. The Bible literally says "thou shalt beat"...

[@lukewest5577]

This is excellent journalism. Your willingness to meet him where he’s at and not trick him into something he wouldn’t want to be part of his inspirational. Regardless of if you continue to interview people in the future, I am very glad this video exists. Love from the Palouse!

[@deaddomain]

Thank you so much!

[@Rain-Dirt]

Willingness from both sides*

[@Tree-House69]

​​@@Rain-Dirtwillingness from both sides is obvious, people though could be willing to talk etc, but not willing or versed in meeting others where they are at, especially not mutually, but here both did their best, try not to assume you know better yea? I'd want someone to be willing to meet me where I'm at if I'm doing as much for them.

[@Rain-Dirt]

@@Tree-House69 I must confess I'm somewhat puzzled by your comment. Especially this "try not to assume you know better yea?" confuses me. The original comment did not specify his part in the interview and I think that should not be left out if we want to be truly objective and not just be a "fan". The point I was trying to make had everything to do with liking to see credit given where credit is due. I'm absolutely fine with you dissagreeing with me on this, but pls do not confuse it with me assuming I know better, because that would be an assumption on your part.

[@LMironono]

This is incredibly well done, and I cannot imagine being in your shoes. A lesson in keeping steady in the face of grisly, churning, overconfident hatred. Good work as always.

[@deaddomain]

Thank you ❤️

[@Pickles9999]

​@@deaddomainthis is incredibly awful and you should take it down. You are quite literally platforming and infantilizing an adult man who is a nazi. Our duty is not to help them heal. Our duty is to not platform nazis, and stop them from being in public discourse. Your nazi friend is here replying to Jewish people in the comments. You have apologized for his nazism. You should delete this and apologize to your audience.

[@thebeardedlady76]

Yeah for real! I’m black, and every time he threw out one of those, “Nothing racist, but…” lines, everything in me was jumping up and down. I would NOT have been able to keep my composure through this. Well done!

[@Justaguywithtruth]

😂the Woke 🤣😆🤡🎪😆

[@Justaguywithtruth]

​@@thebeardedlady76well your mind is in Chaos so..🤡🎪🔍🤔🤨🤷‍♂️

[@gracewalter6766]

I grew up in the IFB (the "less extreme" version of the NIFB, basically the same teachings minus slurs and calling for outright violence) and your coverage of this has been really (not to sound churchy but) healing for me as a queer person. Thanks for what you do.

[@saylemayoub]

sending love ❤

[@wryginger2307]

Hey. Don't let Christo- fascists have the word 'healing.' Take it back and don't apologize for it. You heal. Find what's really healing and make it yours.

[@sassylittleprophet]

I grew up in the IFB as well, and I agree 100%. I'm also a non-binary queer person. Also if you ever want to, I'd love to chat. It's such a specific experience that you only get if you've been through it

[@k.j.greenwood6473]

​@@sassylittleprophet I'd love to chat with you guys to get insight into growing up IFB. I'm writing a novel about a teenage gay boy whose dad is a pastor of an IFB church and would love to chat with folks who've lived it.

[@sassylittleprophet]

@k.j.greenwood6473 Absolutely! I'd love to provide some context. How should I get in touch with you?

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

"Suffering builds character" mmmmmmmmm to some degree sure. It also builds mental illness and physical health problems that can last a lifetime.

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

Yeahh there are much less traumatic ways of building character. You could just have your kids do sports or something instead lol

[@CryofSphere]

"muh mental healf"

[@xXEGPXx]

@@CryofSphere Your criminal record is impressive, clearly your mental health is not good otherwise I would not see your sex offender status

[@ladylaurus8493]

Suffering can last more than a single lifetime. Trauma can be passed down because it can alter the way genes are expressed.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@CryofSphere are you trying to make a point?

[@j82themo]

I am shocked by how fast things pivoted from "I think my dad did an ok job" to descriptions of his dad violently attacking him and his siblings. I'm hoping Isaac can come to terms with the abuse and heal from it. That stuff leaves you scarred and can affect you the rest of your life.

[@tach-uq5tw]

It is really painfull to see people so used to abuse that they can mention in passing their parent assauling and beating them

[@Rain-Dirt]

Right, but two different subject were being discussed. Doing ok in the sense of food, clothing, him having a job and his own life now, but not okay in the barbaric outbursts which is a different aspect. Isaac "got through it", he says, condemns it but choses to see the benefit it brought him, rather than to focus on the damage done. It gave him a thicker skin (and you can clearly tell that it is true!) And I think that is the reason why he can easily not care about something or aknowledge both factors from different angles. He's not going to waste time worrying about it, trust me. Isaac seems like a hands-on approach kinda guy, not making stuff too difficult and solving problems quickly without going to deep into it.

[@SonsOfThunder229]

Sounds like you didn't really affect him so I'm pretty sure he is healed already

[@lindajakub624]

What abuse? Wow sounds like abuse.😢So sorry.

[@Rain-Dirt]

@@lindajakub624 Your response is annoying in the sense that either you have not watched the whole video or you think what actually is abuse, you'd consider justified behaviour.

[@Funnylittleman]

I’m honestly shocked at how normal and friendly seeming he is. All the exposure I’ve had to his dad has shown me his dad is not like that. He will not have curteous, common ground conversations with people he seems “reprobate” or whatever. I’m glad his son is at least willing to engage with the world and learn things for himself, even if ultimately he doesn’t change his mind on anything. He’s at least doing the work, which is so much more than most will do.

[@mikey-wl2jt]

frustratingly, the overwhelming majority of hateful assholery comes from...well, just plain folks

[@TheReallDonaldTrump]

I didn't even know he was married? Why didn't his mom post pics of his wedding like she did with solomans??

[@Pickles9999]

This man is not normal, he's a nazi. He's friendly because he's talking to a white non-Jewish person. These people are the most dangerous because they blend in with average people. This portrayal of him as a sympathetic victim who's nazism is understandable is reprehensible.

[@acratatriphalia7165]

don't let him fool you

[@llynxfyremusic]

He's still a nazi. In fact his normal-ness can be dangerous. It allows a dangerous ideology to spread without people noticing the filth below the "reasonable" outer shell

[@marymac3572]

This was fascinating. As someone who lives in Arizona and who is queer, I promise you he sees queer people frequently with no idea. It's not like we all have the same haircut. I can appreciate that he doesn't care about us or what we do, that's better than the hate his father spews. I do not understand knowing that corporal punishment is objectively bad for your kids and still planning on doing it, though. Maybe he'll change his mind when he has kids. It's a lot easier to parent hypothetical kids than real ones. Thank you for doing what you do! I find your calm demeanor and ability to engage in a levelheaded discussion with people who disagree with you so impressive. And thanks to Isaac for being willing to speak candidly about his beliefs on camera, whether we like and / or agree with them or not. I'd love to see another interview like this with him in a few more years.

[@isaacanderson2152]

That was literally my point, that something I barely notice that does not affect me is not something I'm going to care about

[@jackoh991]

@@isaacanderson2152it probably did affect you in some ways. On one hand you come across as very articulate and bright. On the other hand the "I don't care" line is typically said by people a few years younger than you, maybe this is just lack of peer access and you're still maturing, but it made me curious if you've learnt not to get too invested in things so you don't get emotionally hurt. You measure "doing great" in terms of money, jobs home, which is an excellent base. I wonder how mental health, and long term happiness is. I equally feel like I struggle to get someone can be fully happy without being able to be comfortable with being queer. Maybe that's bias on my part though. Regardless I hope you continue to grow in the same direction you've already been doing so. And I wish you a happy family for you and your wife

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@jackoh991 While I measure "Doing great" by metrics of personal success and health, I'm a happy person. It seems like people keep telling me I shouldn't be happy, or it's just a matter of time until I implode into a state of misery. I don't know why they think their inability to cope and move on from hardships in their lives is relevant to me, but oh well, I'll keep being happy. I have a wife who's pregnant with our son who's due in several months, things are good.

[@jackoh991]

@@isaacanderson2152 that's very exciting and I'm glad you're happy

[@rileymachelle4088]

​@@isaacanderson2152I think it's more so that it's just truly unpleasant to hear about how your father treated you and your siblings. Especially the story of you seeing your brother being beaten. You're right though in that we shouldn't be psychoanalyzing you or projecting our own feelings on to you. Thank you for doing the interview btw, it was extremely insightful and I'm glad I watched it.

[@justmyluck624]

It's fascinating to hear this guy speak about the things he believes, I can't fathom believing that "most white people want their kids and grandkids to look like them", its completely foreign to my entire viewpoint as a person. Hearing him talk about "normal pastors" in the NIFB and call out the "crazy ones" is so interesting to me because from my perspective, they're all completely insane. But despite these things, this guy somehow makes me believe that he could be brought over on some issues. I mean, he agreed to talk with and interview a Queer individual, which is significantly more than I can say for any member of 4chan. It's just really interesting to watch.

[@helvete_ingres4717]

by 'brought over' you mean..come to think the same as you do..? b/c you believe all the 'right' things? your 'viewpoint as a person' is exactly the mainstream media programming, there's not as much 'person' there as you think

[@harpsdesire4200]

Most people of all races wants this. It's only politically incorrect to point it out about about Whites. And for the record before you call me a notsee, Idgaf who anyone dates but i'm not about to deny reality

[@LainKaplan]

Jordan does explicitly mention at the end that he is a Nazi. I wouldn’t have watched if that had been mentioned at the beginning.

[@lkblondie8061]

Yeah that really shocked me. I don't see my parents caring enough to hope I'd have children with someone of one race over another for any reason. Yeah they'd probably enjoy to be able to see their features on their grandchildren but I'm sure my parents could pick out features that are shared and be happy with that no matter the skin tone.

[@meiimacca4054]

Yeah he said he did thus ubtwrvuew so people could see he wasn't an insane nutcase but yeah, no. All that ilk is mad.

[@dermotfenster9980]

Isaac still has a lot of growing up to do, so the book isn't closed on what kind of a person he will turn out to be. It's sad that he thinks he deserved Corporal punishment, because nobody does. It never helps. Many of his perspectives that he thinks are his own are leftover influence from his father. Nothing against that, I'm around 40 years old and I still haven't completely shed the influence of mine. Fathers cast a long shadow and one of the toughest tasks we are presented with in life is stepping out of that shadow and figuring out, "Who am I really?"

[@a.valentine1273]

His beliefs are reprehensible but when someone is open to redemption we should facilitate that.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@a.valentine1273 I agree wholeheartedly. All I really care about is that someone is willing to grow. If they're genuinely down with that, then I'm rootin' for em! We are all products of our environment, after all. It's not anyone's fault that they were born to shitty bigoted parents, or live in an isolated hyper-religious bubble. Nobody chooses that, and when we are children we all trust that the adults in our lives are responsible, ethical, kind, and open-minded. But sometimes, they aren't! Personally, I grew up in a fairly conservative community and went to a tiny Catholic private school. In the grand scheme of things, my upbringing wasn't bad at all, but it definitely negatively impacted me in terms of religious and political beliefs (and a ton of other ways). I probably figured things out quicker than most of my classmates, but definitely slower than most people. But hey, I got myself out of there eventually because it was important to me! I very gradually [and painfully] figured out that both my faith and conservative beliefs were utter nonsense. It wasn't fun or easy, but it was easily one of the most worthwhile things I've ever done. obviously, Isaac is going to have a much harder time wading through the depths of toxic beliefs, shame, and fear than I did. Dude has had a really horrible, unfortunate upbringing. He's also probably hurt a lot of people, and that doesn't help much. If he can continue to learn and grow and make it and come out the other side a half-decent human being, that would be the kind of strength that I could only ever dream of having. But if he can do it (and i think he can), then that means that literally anyone can do it if they set their mind to it! Idk, I guess I just think that forgiveness and redemption are absolutely *_crucial_* to the future of this country. It might very well be that a lot of these people don't "deserve" redemption; I don't personally believe that at all (I think everyone deserves that), but I know other people do. Even if that's true, it's just not practical. If we want this country to.. you know.. _exist_ in the future, then we need to allow these people the grace to be wrong. We're never going to be able to heal our country's wounds otherwise.. we'll all just get more and more bitter and polarized. They're not going to change overnight, so it's going to be *real* frustrating. Probably for years on end. Some of them will never change! But most people generally try to do the right thing, so I have faith they'll get there. For those that are willing to admit that they messed up and put it the work to better themselves, I think it's super important that we encourage them and cheer them on when they do the right thing. ~rambling mode disengage~

[@joshuagharis9017]

Sometimes, having a not so good Dad, then becoming a Dad can help you become more than him...at least in my life as a 37 year old Dad

[@joshuagharis9017]

On a serious note: the hair and shades combo, heck ya 😎

[@a.valentine1273]

@@joshuagharis9017 good on you for breaking the cycle of abuse

[@soliipsiism]

as someone who also came from a giant family in a small house, who grew up surrounded by a ton of alt right religious weirdos, i feel weirdly proud of isaac. dudes doing the best he can with what he was given and seems way less hateful than the majority of the congregation. hope he has a great life

[@derAtze]

I mean, to be fair he insulted nearly every person except his parents (which beat him, once to death if they had their wish) and siblings, so he still seems to have a lot of disdain

[@A1-Odyssey]

I'd say it's still better than far leftist upbringing

[@FubblerCo.]

​@A1-Odyssey lets see hmm whats worse, being a little sensative towards things that other people might not be? Or being drastically affected by horrific beatings given to you by your parents? Hmmm i wonder

[@AlexsGoogleAccount]

I watched all 3 of these videos in reverse order, which I guess is from most disturbing to least disturbing. I found myself surprised that they're all such different people despite their same background and they all seem so confident and level-headed and well-rounded. They're all relatable and powerful people. I think there's something to be said about your interview style, that these 3 different people, with a background so different than yours could feel comfortable being so open and honest with you.

[@hollyhaunted6502]

I just want to say, to Isaac or anyone else who needs to hear this: you absolutely can reason with a three year old and you don’t have to threaten hitting to get them to do things like brush their teeth or avoid danger. I’m a parent and I have never hit my kid for any reason. My kid brushes their teeth twice a day and is very well behaved in general. It took a lot of patience, consistency, and clearly defined rules, consequences, and rewards but no hitting was ever required. Rewards for brushing teeth are things like 5 extra minutes of playtime before bed. Nothing huge. And we have explained many times that not brushing leads to “ouchy teeth” (we explained cavities in greater detail as they got older) and other bad things that we want to protect them from. Kids aren’t stupid. It takes work but non-violent parenting is great! Our kid trusts and respects us and we trust and respect them. Editing to add, now that I’ve watched more. Isaac, if you’re reading this, you didn’t deserve to get beaten, at any age. I’m sorry that your parents did that to you. I hope you feel safe now.

[@jermanijohnson.3481]

Bless you, for treating your child like a human being, so many parents don't even think that sometimes maybe a kid takes up space and even, have they're own mind or can understand concepts of sharing, caring, loving, and learning all in one. I say to everyone I know that patience is a beautiful virtue.

[@alexwyatt2911]

Thank you so much for taking the time to write out this comment as well as be a wonderful parent. My heart sank when Isaac said that he knew of no way to parent small children without corporal punishment. No one should hit children. Isaac needs to know that if kids are too young with which to reason, then they are too young to understand why they’re being hit. That means they’re not learning anything from the violence, which is allegedly the purpose.

[@tayzk5929]

If completely non-violent parenting was superior it would be the cultural norm of many societies for centuries. But that's not the case. I think many understandably have this hope/desire to believe you can achieve such things without any suffering. But you can't always.

[@alexwyatt2911]

@@tayzk5929 If corporal punishment is so effective to the learning process, then why isn’t it used in schools? Or the workplace?

[@tayzk5929]

@@alexwyatt2911 It used to be more common in schools, when western civilization was at a higher level than now. Are modern schools really something we look to as very effective? No they're not.

[@theworldbreaker]

Top 10 craziest crossovers of 2024

[@isaacanderson2152]

Nothing wrong with people of differing opinions having a civilized conversation.

[@UsenameTakenWasTaken]

@@isaacanderson2152 Finding folks willing to do that with us is far more rare than you may imagine from your position. However, I get the vaguest feeling that you at least know what that, specifically, feels like, if only due to what your public ideology implies should be done with those of differing opinions to yours.

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@UsenameTakenWasTakenI can't speak for others, but I can have a conversation with almost anyone regardless of our differences.

[@two0215]

It was kinda heartbreaking to hear him not be able to fully realize the damage that his parents have inflicted upon him and his siblings....

[@KJV1776WASP]

He seems to be doing just fine lol

[@AnthonyMorris-pg9xj]

​@@KJV1776WASPhe seems to have gotten over some of it. He hasn't gotten over all of it. I hope he does a much better job with his kids. Small children don't deserve to be hit. No matter what. All that does is teach them to not trust their parents.

[@Waspinmymind]

@@KJV1776WASPYou can’t tell that in an hour long interview video. It takes years to come to terms with shit your parents did to you. And you may not even notice how damaging it was till later in life.

[@mastersquinch]

@@KJV1776WASPexcept for the fascism and the literal physical scars and head trauma, and the extreme likelihood of psychological/emotional trauma

[@XavierDonaldCalibur]

​@@AnthonyMorris-pg9xjI like Steven Anderson but I would never hit my future child.

[@ambersummer2685]

“3 year olds are kinda stupid” I don’t disagree that a 3 year old doesn’t understand right and wrong, it’s the choice of words that concern me. I couldn’t look at my child and think to myself that they’re stupid. They’re 3 for crying out loud.

[@isaacanderson2152]

Yes, I could've phrased that one better. My baby son knows basically nothing, but he's not stupid. Uninformed, maybe?

[@ambersummer2685]

@@isaacanderson2152 Perhaps so. Thanks for clarifying.

[@JenniSeven7]

And a lot of them will believe you and avoid touching the stove if you say “that’s a big owie!” and point at the stove and act out almost burning yourself.

[@ambersummer2685]

@@JenniSeven7 My niece is one and learned quickly that there are certain items she shouldn’t put in her mouth. She’d just pick it up and hand it to you after observing. And I mean micro things on the floor (yes we keep our home clean) like pieces of hair or crumbs as well.

[@derpkipper]

"He's not a nazi, he just hates Jews" said unironically is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time

[@miscellaniac3367]

Its possible to hate Jews and not be a nazi, because naziism includes political ideologies. Heck, the foundational texts of modern antisemitism, the protocols, were written by pre-soviet Russians. There are theocratic, democratic and monarchical Muslim countries in the Middle East that hate Jews.

[@madeofwax92]

Honorable mention to when he said he disliked the church members because they were prudes, meaning they had a problem with racism lmao

[@XavierDonaldCalibur]

You don't have to be a NatSoc to hate Jews.

[@getschwifty5537]

Well, I suppose it is entirely possible to be antisemetic while also not wanting to associate with said historical German faction that lost their war. In fact one could think Nazis were lame and strive for their own unique fascist identity. A "stronger" faction of antisemitism with distinct ties to one's own country instead of appropriating Germany's. There can be different breeds of bad guy who share the same bigotry. But yes the dissonance in the quoted statement is still funny since Nazis and hating Jews goes hand in hand.

[@jennaxoxox4821]

He is right about anti-semitism pre-dating Nazis. We just go there in our minds because the Nazis took it to an inevitable extreme that is only possible with the power of the State.

[@wordscapes5690]

Does anyone else notice the paradoxical emotional responses to trauma and happiness? He smiles describing heinous violence. Excuses the violence and condemns it, then tells us it helped him. And the clear love-hate relationship he has with the abusers both in his church and his home. Stockholm Syndrome 101. A clear sign of escapist emotive “ticks” that victims of abuse use as a coping mechanism. I started watching this expecting to be angry. And as he spoke, I realized the scars this young man has had to endure at the hands of abnormal parenting. It really is quite heartbreaking.

[@jamieadler7083]

I noticed, he believes he has moved on but he still has much trauma to unpack.

[@isaacanderson2152]

No need to be heartbroken, I'm not

[@wordscapes5690]

@@isaacanderson2152 I am glad. Hope it continues. All of the best, sir.

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@wordscapes5690 🙏

[@MrTockTick]

@isaacanderson2152 even if you are fine, even if these memories never come up in a bad way again, even if the experiences you are describing truly never negatively impact you (which I truly and desperately pray for), I still find this heart-breaking because you describe this type of intense punishment as being applied to all the children you grew up with overall, including other families in the church if I understand you correctly. If the extreme methods of corporal punishment you described were applied to dozens of other children you knew, it is extremely likely at least one of those other children will wind up struggling a lot more emotionally to overcome and process their experiences of childhood trauma than you have described experiencing yourself. They might just have more vulnerability based on genetic differences or another traumatic incident in their childhood that caused them to feel more emotional scarring from similar experiences that did not scar you in the same way or any other reason for it to be harder for them to overcome this, and that is a likelihood I find heart-breaking. I pray for them that you are able to use your own predisposition to resiliency and joy to help anyone else who is not coping as well as you. For you, I pray for you to experience more love without abuse and grow so that if you do need healing as I personally suspect you may to overcome more of the hate and shame you were raised with, you can have that experience with as little additional pain as possible and remain the joy-filled person you often seemed to be throughout this interview. If, as you state, you feel healed enough to have found the truth and love in your faith journey, then I pray for you to grow in your ability to recognize and respond to any distress or pain in your family or friends who have possibly been struggling more with emotionally processing their own childhood traumas.

[@Nilnot]

I had to reread that title. Holy. Crap.

[@deaddomain]

Yep. Almost an hour and a half of interview.

[@TheLocomono9]

Interviews like this help bridge the gaps between the different realities some others seem to be living in. As someone who had a father that spit poison more than once I can hear the apology in his voice like you could hear in mine every time he made a comment about a bus boy or convenience store owner.

[@KaraKrash612]

Thank you for doing this interview, both of you. It’s weirdly therapeutic to hear other people talk about their upbringing in a way I can relate to. This man’s experience was very close to my own. Speaking out has definitely helped me process more of my own past trauma today. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[@migoreng7789]

thank you for doing this work. i myself grew up in a conservative catholic enviorment where 'if a man can marry a man then can i marry my goat?' jokes were the standard and schools shown us propaganda movies about conversiok therapy and 'abortion is bad even if you were raped, and if you were raped for reap then you will miscarry anyway' was drilled into my head...... and priests that run youth groups etc would call masturbation sefl-rape (samogwałt). that one really fucked me up ngl. thankfully i figured out it's all bullshit and there's a way to live outside that. sadly i do have religious ocd thing going on but at least both of my feet are outside the pope bucket. getting out of highly toxic religious enviorment is hard but sometimes the first step is knowing people "on the outside" are just like you. they aren't damned to eternity or anything. church leaders don't want believers to know that thus they demonize everyone that's different. therefore it's harder to leave, you think everyone is out to get you to sin :/

[@idontwantahandlethough]

hell yeah! I had a similar experience. Went to Catholic school from K-9th grade, and then in 10th grade I decided I just couldn't do it anymore. I decided to go to a public school (and FWIW, it was a super good well-funded public school, so that obviously factors into this) and it was genuinely the best decision I've ever made. I had spent my entire life around people who looked and believed basically the exact same things as me, so it was really amazing to learn that there are all sorts of people who are all so different from each other and believe wildly different things.. and yet when it comes down to it, we're way more similar than we are different! We all have a lot of the same wants and needs and desires and hopes and dreams and fears, and almost all of us are just trying to do the right thing (we're just wrong on what that is a lot of the time lol). And holy shit, you can learn *so much more* from people that are different than you! You get to see things from new perspectives and then incorporate them into your own. You get to learn about new beliefs, values, and cool traditions (and you can't forget about all sorts of tasty foods and dope music too!). My world is so much bigger and more vibrant and more complex than it was before that. I've gotten in touch with a few of my friends from private school and they're all kinda.. closed-minded. I hate to say that, but it's true. Most of them are decent people, but it really feels like their emotional (and tbh intellectual) growth has been stunted by remaining in their same little bubble for their entire lives. They don't know what they don't know, so to speak. Also I think you point out a really important facet of that: so many religious people are led to believe that those that are not of their specific denomination are "evil" or workers of the devil, when it's just so not true. People are people, just trying to get through the day as best they can. I've even met people who GENUINELY believed that I was a literal, actual demon in human clothing! When you think someone is quite literally the spawn of Satan, you can justify some pretty heinous behaviour towards them; I mean... if they're not human and literally personified evil, then isn't it a _good_ thing to cause them harm? I don't really buy that line of logic myself, but I can totally see how someone could get there. It's a pretty insidious tactic to keep people apart :/

[@Pickles9999]

This guy never left. He doesn't go to the church because of "freaks and weirdos". He still subscribes to all of the same beliefs and more since he's an actual nazi.

[@A1-Odyssey]

Abortion is bad. It's murder. The rapist doesn't even get that punishment. Also that is such a miniscule amount of abortions. Women are using abortion as contraception. Also the fact the father has no say is not equality

[@MoodyHD-]

You’re becoming the NIFB’s boogeyman (boogeyenby?) and I am so here for it!

[@Sableagle]

"Dead Domain isn't the boogeyman. Dead Domain is the person you send to _interview_ the fooking boogeyman." - some old guy, probably.

[@seekervaltriz9447]

The boogenby!

[@echohawking6097]

The monster under Steven Anderson’s bed.

[@Hosshoggbossdogg]

How

[@WolfCharmer]

The entire time i just go ????? This is a good interview. Kind of confused on his responses but hey we all keep growing

[@deaddomain]

Thank you for watching and keeping an open mind 🙏

[@WolfCharmer]

Im at the end of the video now and Isaac being a self proclaimed nazi is Wild. Given how he spoke about the lgbtq community and people of color, i am not surprised. Even how he says "they can live and do whatever they dont effect me" seems like a curtain he uses to hide his true beliefs. "I dont see queers when im walking around" very much feels like a threat, as a queer person. Hopefully he does change as time goes on but he seems to shelter himself Its interesting

[@ginger_snapped_]

I was taken the fuck out by “he’s not a Nazi, he just hates Jews,” like dude wtf?

[@harpsdesire4200]

Those are mutually exclusive dude. @@ginger_snapped_

[@GQLoc]

​@@deaddomain- You got your kuddos in this video. You and Isaac should start dating. Be his side piece, I'm sure he's a soddy now.

[@NicksWidow]

I found this channel via Reddit and wow. That was a lot of information & very eye-opening. I commend you for interviewing Issac and I pray that he will learn a lot from this experience.

[@JordanLittle-bb3yq]

As someone who went through child abuse myself, the only thing it taught me is that I probably shouldn't have children myself. I have anger issues that I can control for the most part. My cat can get annoying and sometimes my first thought is 'a good kick will stop her', but I try to replace those thoughts with petting her instead. Sometimes if I think it's too dangerous for her. I'll gently pick her up, pet her and lock her in my bedroom until I can calm down. Now take a child and put them in that situation. A child that doesn't understand what's going on. Who can talk back or needs constant attention. I don't know if my methods would work on them. Also every time I think about my dad, I either remember the good times or the bad times. If I remember the bad times, I get very ticked off.

[@nikhtzatzi]

guy has some hope in him. and yes im saying it cause he talks to you like youre a human. Many righters of today could not even reach that level.

[@Rain-Dirt]

I found myself agreeing with this sentiment as well.

[@A1-Odyssey]

Righters? Lol Funny every leftist I talk to will not be your friend soon as you start saying you disagree with their crap. But they freely will spew their opinions around Anyone Violence always comes from the left

[@Justaguywithtruth]

Has hope..🤔 He's successful and your clueless😂

[@nikhtzatzi]

@@Justaguywithtruth Your comment certainly has a lot to do with what we talk about child.

[@dodleymortune4312]

Most " righters" talk to others like they are humans, it's just you who have the opposite impression, because you focus on some things some people , said at some point.

[@Gonegorl]

Hi Isaac, I was a follower of your dad's for a long time. I even went to see him preach in TN once. I have since deconverted from Christianity and hearing you tell your story makes me ashamed to have ever followed him. I figured he had anger issues at home, but I never imagined it was that bad. I am so so sorry you and your siblings had to endure such horrific abuse. You are still so young and I have hope you will continue to grow and learn from your experiences. My only advice to you would be...WAIT to have children. You have your entire life ahead of you and until you really process and heal from your abuse, you WILL repeat the same horrible mistakes. Beating a child for not brushing their teeth is unacceptable Isaac. But thats just advice from a stranger on the internet. Anyway, deciding to speak up and tell your truth to the world is a HUGE step in the right direction. You should be proud of yourself. I hope to hear more from you in the future.

[@isaacanderson2152]

I would never beat a child

[@harpsdesire4200]

Well if you truly believed you are still saved and will be in heaven. 2 Timothy 2:13 KJV

[@wesleyoverton1145]

You were never saved to begin with nor were you ever a part of ASBC, the church in Tn. I never saw you there.

[@Gonegorl]

@wesleyoverton1145 cool story bro, it's fun when strangers on the internet claim to know more about me and my experience/beliefs than I do. Gotta love that Christian logic. And yeah, I went ONE TIME, drove nearly 3 hours to get there too.

[@wesleyoverton1145]

@@Gonegorl I will try again as well. Your husband was an Anderson listener back in 2017-2020, so he dragged you to ASBC to hear PSA preach when he came. But now you two divorced and you never really believed in Christ, and you dropped your mask.

[@mikaylafrancis6036]

"Its like garbage music that they put like Jesus on it to sell to Christians." "Them breifly mentioning Jesus does not somehow make their song enjoyable" Lol, preach it brother XD As some one who grew up in a religious family as well, this is so relatable

[@isaacanderson2152]

😂

[@johnthree1611]

There are definitely some great Christian singers out there, he just happened to name off some pop culture fake Christian bands.

[@masael255]

I am about 30 minutes into this conversation and I just wanted to take a pause and let you know that I am so thankful for you shining such a public light on the NIFB. I've been following and highlighting them to small groups around me (we have an NIFB group here in Sacramento CA) for about 15 years but you've done more in showing their views and the product of this type of fundamentalism than a lot of other people online. I am so impressed that you were able to get this interview with Isaac! Thanks to your work (and overall you just have a great channel), you've earned a life-long subscriber!!

[@deaddomain]

Thank you very much. I appreciate the support so much right now.

[@Pickles9999]

​@@deaddomainNIFB and nazism share similar ideologies. Isaac still believes both. You can't criticize NIFB and then treat his nazism as a minor character flaw. This is absolutely morally abhorrent, and journalistically irresponsible. Take this down, unlearn your white blindness.

[@harpsdesire4200]

Boringggg. Also only attacking whites and not holding other groups to the same standards is what birthed the alt-right in the first place@@Pickles9999

[@KaiGallagher7]

@@Pickles9999 just shush

[@amethystcrystal5799]

Huh

[@redbeardthepink4809]

"My dad maybe tried to beat me to death, but he was just too weak." How's that for a fucking hot take? Jesus Christ 😮

[@goofballjar]

Thank you for this interview. I think you did a good job of humanizing a person from an opposing viewpoint without promoting their views. You're a very skilled interviewer, and it was good to see you allow Isaac to speak for himself.

[@Post-ModernCzechoslovakianWar]

I was pleasantly surprised with how respectful and professional you were in the interview. I expected you not to be that way because you seem either gay or trans and maybe leftist. Great job on your end and Isaac also seems like a really cool guy.

[@lrose5522]

Honestly, despite everything else, it's at least heartening that Isaac seems determined to not treat his children the way that he was treated. Too often those who were beaten as children grow up and do the same to theirs because "they turned out ok" so they can do it in turn. I'm glad that Isaac feels differently. We may not agree on much, but at least "If the only way you can get through to your teenager is by beating them, you've already failed at raising them" is one point of agreement.

[@XavierDonaldCalibur]

Isaac is me. My father physically disciplined me until I was 11. I admit I think I turned out fine, but I will never do that to my children.

[@roaldpage]

The worry with head wounds like the one Issac's brother received is not that he would bleed out. It's concussion. If your head is hitting stone hard enough to rip it open the chances of concussion are fairly high. It would have been smart to seek medical attention not for worry over the bleeding, but to make sure that there is no damage to the brain. I am glad that he was okay, but if anyone hits their head hard enough to break skin make sure to monitor them for signs of concussion. Changes in cognition, confusion, pupils not reacting to light, or being different sizes, internal headache, dizziness, drowsiness and blacking out are all signs to watch out for.

[@isaacanderson2152]

While your concern is valid, me and my brothers are pretty sturdy, I never felt Solomon was in any true danger besides just having a bad split. Considering Solomon is way smarter than me he couldn't have lost too many brain cells.

[@roaldpage]

@@isaacanderson2152 That's good to hear, but for future reference be wary of concussions.

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@roaldpage I've gotten concussions before(Not from my parents), I'm aware of the danger and signs

[@crowredeye8066]

That was a good interview. You posed questions, and allowed him to answer. Bravo for your style of reaching across a very strange aisle. You did an excellent job here.

[@AshkanPacino13]

imagine hitting your child for watching youtube, goddamn these people are on another level.

[@dr.7539]

Back here again after Johns interview. I have been thinking about those children that still live at home all day. Isaac, if you're still in the comments: congratulations on the new baby. You and your wife get to give your child the childhood that you and all your siblings deserved to have as well ❤.

[@isaacanderson2152]

My wife and son are doing great, thank you for the well wishes.

[@CalebThomasMedia]

You are so freaking good at this. This is such an empathetic look at someone who we all might just write off as irredeemable.

[@leanneissoboring776]

I hope you know that you are definitely making a difference. These are the conversations we need to be having not debates that end up further radicalizing both sides. I feel that empathy and understanding does way more for a movement than just logic and facts. Thank you for setting an example on how we should be approaching these difficult discussions.

[@DanielDupriest]

@DeadDomain I really respect your decision to take down the video covering the group chat. Not every content creator working to grow their channel would show that level of integrity.

[@cerys113]

hearing all the parts about abuse is rlly shocking. not necessarily in the sense that i assumed mr hate church WOULDNT beat his kids because he even admitted to it, but in the sense that im shocked he got away with it. how can someone be so hurtful to their own children and not get put in prison lol

[@cerys113]

america is so shitty

[@deaddomain]

Probably because nobody has spoken openly about it or called attention to it until now.

[@elyzzabeth]

Thank you for conducting this interview. I really hope Issac manages to heal from his childhood trauma. This was enlightening, to say the least.

[@OptimisticAudience]

Throwing this out there: My parents did not have to beat me to teach me stuff. If I misbehaved, I got time out, I lost TV privileges, I did not get to do some fun stuff. Per his discussion, "You do this, I do that" was in fact usable without getting hit.

[@tayzk5929]

You're just mentioning different forms of inducing pain to correct behaviours lol

[@d2d2505]

Fair play to Isaac, he's way more open-minded than I expected him to be. I wonder how I would turn up to be if I grew up in a similar environment. Very well conducted interview, by the way.

[@drummerpablo1]

i have mixed feelings about this interview. on the one hand it was positive to get a view into this person's head, and what that represents for the kind of person who says "he's not a nazi he just hates jews". that said, i can't feel good about hearing him talk about these things without any kind of pushback. zooming out, it's clear you're not trying to create a debate. I'm not a debater and i wouldn't be equipped to make the pushback if i were conducting this interview. and I'll say i think poorly worded pushback is worse than no pushback with something like this interview. again mixed feelings but i appreciate your work

[@bkstandard882]

Being a preacher's kid really does suck. I'm one and lots of opportunities were taken from me. Lots of relationships were ruined because I lived only to make my dad look good.

[@k.j.greenwood6473]

What denomination? I'd love to pick your brain for research on a book I'm writing 😊

[@phyllisbiram5163]

Roman Catholic looking at him.@@k.j.greenwood6473

[@hildy208]

I hope this young man can overcome his cognitive dissonance and face how badly he was raised, confront his parents for it, confront his own problems and heal. I grew up with people like this and it took me decades to finally face the reality of what I went through and how much of the gross traits I took on as normal.

[@azophi]

This was a good interview and I’m glad it’s just mostly unedited. It really is just letting us draw our own conclusions and not overly interpreting his responses

[@deaddomain]

Which was my goal 🙏

[@ben_adel3437]

these type of interviews are so important you cant save someone like steven but his kids and the next generation can get better anf our goal should be making society a bit better

[@deaddomain]

Thank you for understanding my intentions

[@Pickles9999]

​@@deaddomainwhatever your intentions were, you platformed and endeared a nazi to your followers. Isaac is not a child, he is an adult man who has chosen to continue his hateful church's beliefs, and embraced nazism. You continually infantilize and apologize for this man. Absolutely disgusting.

[@KJV1776WASP]

Stevens kids sound based lol

[@harpsdesire4200]

Nah. Far from it@@KJV1776WASP

[@crazando]

Stop it

[@Mankeyyeahhhhh]

Very well done. I started following your channel after I stumbled upon your first video covering the Washington location, and your content just keeps getting better.

[@deaddomain]

Thank you, I appreciate the support 🙏

[@LiaisonShaw]

I'm actually surprised you said at the end that you don't plan on doing any more interviews in the future. A completely fair and valid position, it's only surprising that for having no interest to do it, you completely handled it like a pro! There were many times where I felt some kind of rebuttal would be warranted, or that you must vehemently disagree in the moment, but you always kept your questions neutral, cordial, and always made sure you were on the same page before making any summaries or assertions on his stances. It definitely showed that you came from a place of wanting to understand his views, and to do so you gave him all the space he could need to express himself, warts and all. Lawfully speaking, he's a grown adult with a spouse, but he's still very young and there's a long journey ahead of him to keep learning about himself and the world, if he wants to. That said, haven't seen anyone else talk about it, but I'm not sure how hopeful I should be about that: he seems like an intelligent and generally well-intentioned dude, even if still influenced by really toxic beliefs, and yet... is a self-proclaimed nazi? Even though in the interview itself he said the preachers and members aren't nazis, because they aren't saying "gas the jews"? Does he see himself as a nazi within that definition's framework? At any rate, I hope he'll get to reflect on this interview and the many compassionate comments, process things, start healing if he needs it, and unlearn much of the harmful beliefs he was instilled with. And regardless of that, nobody deserves the vile shit he went through as a kid. Sorry for the ramble, in short just thank you for such an insightful interview and your generally super thoughtful content on your channel! Your videos always leave me feeling so grounded, comforted in a hard to describe way, and just a little bit more enlightened about human nature. Wishing you only further success!

[@TokyoScarab]

As someone who grew up in an abusive household, the one answer of "he can be a pretty chill guy to hang with if he's not angry and flipping out" resonated with me. I never knew my father and grew up around my mom's abusive boyfriend from basically age 5 until I moved out after high school. I do not have any fond memories of this man in the slightest, but if you asked me when I was younger what he was like, that would probably have been my answer. As someone who has grown up and survived that kind of lasting mental and physical abuse, it's so incredibly easy to normalize and compartmentalize it especially if you have grown up around it. It took me forever to realize how fucked up a lot of what me and my brother experienced actually was. It wasn't until after we both became full grown adults and would talk about stories from growing up and there were many times where we would say out loud, "wow, that's really fucked up!". While I may not know actually what happened in Isaac's household, there are a lot of very telling signs in some of the stories he shares that I can't help but also see reflected in my own experiences.

[@ct6852]

Ugh...that reminds me of the language around every toxic person I've ever known..."yeah they can be cool if x, y, z and everything is going their way, and they always get everything they want how they want it." Lol. As if that's even remotely possible or realistic.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

1:08:00 this isn't a dig at him, but saying "it's just cold water, it doesn't physically damage you" makes me think he doesn't fully understand the mental trauma things like that can leave on a child. Sharing from my own life, I was also in an abusive household as a child. One of my earliest memories was being thrown down the stairs by my father then locked outside. This was around 4 in the morning, and it had snowed that night, and there I was, locked outside in pajamas. To this day, and I'm now in my 40s, I can have traumatic flashbacks to that from just being cold and wet, or being out in the snow. So just because it didn't leave any physical injuries in his sisters, doesn't mean it didn't cause any lasting harm. Also mad respect for you, it felt like you really had to hold your tongue to not be confrontational with some of the things he was saying. Probably for the best so as not to drive him back toward more regressive attitudes.

[@shamuscrawford]

Sorry but anytime someone tells me their "abuse story" without explaining what they did I automatically know it was something really bad. 🤔

[@dionysus913]

Honestly I don’t blame him for maybe not understanding the impact of that sort of abuse. I mean, from his perspective, cold water is probably preferable to getting your head slammed over a bannister or getting thrown out of a chair. Not defending him necessarily, but I can see where he’s coming from in terms of sheer, visceral brutality. still, torture is torture, with or without marks.

[@timothykwoh6172]

I am not somebody who you will agree with on anything nor would we see anything eye to eye, but I am glad you took the opportunity to talk to Isaac and hear his side of the story. I often assumed the worst about Isaac but now that I have heard his viewpoint, I am glad I have heard his viewpoint.

[@mikechaney1329]

Very impressive interview skills. I grew up in a similar environment. Keep fighting the fight and I believe you will have a bright future as a journalist.

[@ToastUrbath]

24:51 "You don't have to hit teens because they're capable of being reasoned with," if they're too young to understand reasoning then how are they supposed to reason that hitting means they're doing something that might harm them if you're just doing something that harms them anyway? Be consistent. All spanking teaches is that hitting is okay when someone does something you don't like.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

"Amen"

[@brittvaughn9447]

Unfortunately, Isaac seems to be living proof that hitting kids teaches them it's okay to hit others to make them do things. I was there once, though, so I hope he changes his mind as he gets more experience and knowledge.

[@thilypad557]

l know people with this belief would say “well babies associate the pain of the smack with reaching for an outlet since they can see it” it’s stupid just cover your outlets

[@dj-ne7kw]

I spanked 1 of my 5 nephews 1 time and I still think it was appropriate although I’m open to it not being appropriate. I’d probably handle it differently now that I’m older. We were at a zoo and there was a peacock and he grabbed pebbles and through it at the animals face. I said don’t do that! Never do that! He got this grin on his face and then grabbed another handful and before i got to him he nailed the peacock in the face again and i swatted his booty. He was 2.5 years old i think. He cried of course cuz it hurt his feelings and my demeanor scared him not so much of i spanked that hard. Well then we had a convo about it and he seemed to listen. (Weird but at 2 he could carry convos) He laughs about it now but doesn’t remember it. He is the only nephew with anxiety. I was spanked as a kid and have anxiety. Hope i didn’t cause that :(

[@boneappletee6416]

​@@dj-ne7kw I don't think you should hold on to that, anxiety may come from many potential causes; and you did what you needed to in the moment to prevent your nephew from seriously hurting an animal. You also showed remorse and took the time to explain to your nephew why it was wrong.

[@CordyMoss]

I honestly feel for him. I was raised in an abusive household, and at least I knew it was wrong because I wasn't in a bubble. He seems like he's stuck in that edgy, angry teenager stage. He also seems to think some of these things are normal for teens, especially teen boys, that really isn't. Overall, I hope he eventually gets therapy, and I hope he realizes that some of the things he's still believing or following are harmful. He says he's a pretty happy chill guy, but he also doesn't seem to know any better. I just feel sad for him.

[@Demagora]

Very excited for this, thank you!

[@joelsommers]

19:00 - "They didn't have to tell us not to listen to Christian music. That stuff is objectively awful." Send flowers b/c that killed me. Set aside the background din of damage and intellectual heft. This dude is bright and complicated and pretty damn funny.

[@isaacanderson2152]

Thanks!

[@bobbydrucker6770]

I can despise this guy's views while deeply appreciating his honesty, right? That's a thing, right?

[@tayzk5929]

Anyone can despise any view, it's just a subjective arbitrary feeling.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Definitely! Part of me honestly likes him, because he does appear to be on the level and unafraid of pushback.

[@kellyfeverxo]

It's ok to listen to and even be friends with folks who have wildly different opinions than you. You're missing out on potentially really cool people and friends with that mindset.

[@dinosaysrawr]

@@kellyfeverxo , yeah, sure, but this "uwu isn't diversity of opinions so nice and fun?" is often employed as a very disingenuous Trojan horse to subtly justify or softpedal beliefs and opinions that shouldn't be accepted by anyone anywhere. You can have an extremely diverse social group comprised of people with different opinions and perspectives on many topics without opening the door to people who are toxic, malicious, dishonest, irrationally hateful, or downright crazy. Granted, sometimes, people make the choice to forge or maintain ties with somebody in spite of their odious or ridiculous opinions, because they see that the person is fundamentally honest, sane, safe, well-intentioned, or epistemologically good, and that can sometimes be a perfectly reasonable or understandable decision, but is not without some risk!

[@gregorywilkinson5731]

Sure, but i think what's going on with this guy is that he's not as much being honest; he just genuinely doesn't realise how horrendous some of his views are

[@nathaniel_fern4207]

Is interesting people live so detached like this. This guy is not invited to the queer-cookout

[@Flippylover_69]

At some point you kinda have to be. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be so vile and be proud of it. Though people like that do exist, make no mistake.

[@seramer8752]

@@Flippylover_69 Sodomy is vile

[@corkjv]

Nobody wants to go to a queer cookout😅

[@ed118520]

I'm going to give Isaac props here, I have almost never seen someone like him come into an interview and engage in this way. No real bullshitting, No avoiding questions, no disingenuous answers, he answered the questions honestly and without hesitation. I obviously disagree with his ideology, but i do have to give him credit for not being antagonistic. This was an amazing interview and it wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Dead Domain, and for that you get the most credit. This work is invaluable.

[@rosahettinga7248]

Wouw this video was really interesting, thanks to the both of you for the respect you show to eachother during this interview. I learned a lot.

[@knutthompson7879]

I mean, I disagree with him a lot, even if he is considerably less outrageous about it than his dad, but I must say it is fairly remarkable how relatively "normal" he is given his bizarre and often rough upbringing.

[@cyrollan]

ooohhhhhhh i am so excited to watch this later tonight! i like how even Wikipedia calls him a hate preacher: *Steven Lee Anderson (born July 24, 1981) is an American hate preacher and founder of the New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist movement.*

[@notabear287]

this really just solidifies to me the value of the work you've done so far, not just shining light on what's happening, but the level of personal risk that comes with being involved also very much appreciated the way this interview was set up, where isaac really speaks for himself and your questions didn't feel leading... questions just to get a baseline understanding or expand on something already said. isaac himself is a troubling guy, he's friendly enough to be nonconfrontational, says he's unbothered by this that and the third, yet a self proclaimed .... who seems to believe some things are "human nature" instead of culturally imposed ideas (i.e., wanting your kids or grandkids to look like you... which also devalues adoption, if he believes that to such an extent). really gives me a lot to chew on instead of having somebody i respect the opinions of take it piece by piece like i usually see. but this guy's also being asked questions that again give a baseline understanding anyway. this was well made! been following for a while and not only your take but your approach on topics and people is something i aporeciate

[@deaddomain]

Thank you so much for saying so.

[@nicked_fenyx]

This was outstanding. I love the way you interviewed Isaac, asking questions and simply allowing him to talk without getting into debates or arguments over things you disagree on. There is a time and place for debates, and we get plenty of that on many other channels these days. This was something different, and I quite enjoyed it. Even knowing Isaac and I would disagree on many things that are important to each of us, I enjoyed hearing a bit more of his story and perspective in life. Thank you for creating a space for that to happen. I know you said you're not planning to do more interviews like this in the future, but fwiw, I'd be here for them if you did. I mean, I'll be here for your content regardless, but still... Also, to Isaac, if you happen to see this: Thank you for agreeing to give an interview that you knew in advance would be primarily seen by people who disagree with you (and may anger even the people you know who might otherwise agree with many of your takes). I enjoyed hearing what you had to say, and admire your willingness to be so open. Much appreciated.

[@isaacanderson2152]

🙏

[@bulkypigeon]

The one part that really got to me was Steven and his wife “searching for what wickedness could have caused this foul text conversation” and not ONCE looking inwards. The kids had almost no outside influence, maybe it had something to do with your preaching? But someone like Steven Anderson isn’t capable of inwards searching, in my estimation. Maybe thats unfair of me, but given what we know of his history, I don’t doubt it.

[@isaacanderson2152]

My dad's preaching did not teach us to make jokes about beating bookers😂

[@jamieadler7083]

​​@@isaacanderson2152no, Donnie Romeros situation incited the hooker talk, the violence just existed in your house. You took those two things and put them together. Someone who has never seen of or heard of ice cream, does not one day ask for ice cream.

[@btarczy5067]

This is why I prefer interviews to most debates. As long as it's done responsibly and not just as a means to give objectionable ideas a platform much can be learned from conversations like this. Seeing the humanity in each other can be done without agreement on political issues. There are reasons why we turn out the way we do and as children we all had to find ways to cope with something, and holy shit... Some have to deal with a lot. Of course a tough childhood doesn't excuse everything but Isaac comes off like he has a good head on his shoulders considering and his non-chalantness did make me laugh a few times. I hope that he may at least reach a point where he wouldn't describe himself as a Nazi. Great job, Dead Domain! If my comment comes off as too understanding it might be because almost my whole family and friends are conservative to different extents. Also I don't belong to a group that a Nazi would implicitly hate apart from my political affiliation.

[@Rain-Dirt]

Yup, certain debate formats really are only for show, not to learn anything in particular. I prefer these type of interviews as well.

[@TheCandel34]

I was the guy that went to his church and went back-and-forth a little bit with him via email which caused him to make the Hebrew roots exposed videos. Then the Hebrew roots movement really exploded and went viral.

[@thethoughtexperiment9071]

THIS. This is an appropriate way to approach religious people and groups that hold violent beliefs about queer people. Chances are, not every member of these organizations are truly reprehensible people. I'm a genderfluid twink, and the only non-male at my workplace currently. I hear a lot of messed up jokes and comments, but mostly people are fairly respectful, if not at least mean me no physical harm. That being said, I say "mostly" because, as Isaac says, there are a lot of weirdos in these groups that hold some violent ideas about me and people like me. That doesn't mean I have to hate every Christian or Republican or whatever based off only those labels. I can't expect everyone to see the danger queer people are in, and I can't really blame them either, because for the longest time and still now I've been blind to some issues that effect their groups as well. Thank you for this piece of insight, and Isaac, good luck plumbing. Maybe we'll meet on a job site one day.

[@pnwpride8655]

I just about fainted when I saw this on my youtube feed I am extremely proud of Isaac Anderson for having a civilized conversation with you.. Issac Anderson, if you are reading this, please do the right thing and break the cycle of hate.

[@yassine8935]

Thank you so much mr.facist for not screaming facist shi in an interview were no one even is talking about your views deliberately. 😍🤩😘

[@notyourtypicalcomment2399]

But is that really him

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@notyourtypicalcomment2399Yes😂

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@yassine8935You spelled four words wrong in one comment, I'd recommend working on your education before writing more comments.

[@notyourtypicalcomment2399]

@@isaacanderson2152 oh yeah, he didnt ask abt the tatt, did u really get one

[@gjhartist3685]

Those retellings of the corporal punishment he endured are horrifying. I'm shocked he could brush it off as not having impacted his mental/emotional development. I know people who've endured less and still having problems as adults today.

[@a.valentine1273]

Oh he's definitely traumatized by it and I think he's just starting to unpack his childhood.

[@Reconstructing-101]

It absolutely impacted it.

[@majormissile5596]

From what I know, the usual response people like this (as in belive their supposed to be strong) have to trauma is to just, pretend that it doesn't affect them. The way he's explaining it in such detail, more so than most of the other talking points shows that he's absolutely traumatized by it.

[@isaacanderson2152]

@@majormissile5596I'm not pretending it has not affected me. How much will remain unknown until my younger brothers grow up, that'll show the difference

[@alexwyatt2911]

I was in my thirties before I could finally use the term “child abuse” to describe the bloody lips, bruises, welts, and knots that my parents inflicted upon me. It’s very difficult to confront what happened and reconcile the abuse with any positives from your childhood. My physical injuries always heal. What’s infinitely more difficult to heal is the emotional and mental damage caused by the physical injuries. People have got to stop hitting their kids. It’s not okay. Even a little bit.

[@shadowldrago]

I'll give him this. He has a point that it's near impossible to reason with a 3 year old regarding why they shouldn't do something. The brain takes a WHILE to develop and at that age, while it absorbs information quickly, the "why" is, more difficult to grasp.

[@dinosaysrawr]

You can offer explanations to smaller children; they just have to be simple, concrete, and age-appropriate. "Reasoning" with a child is a different kettle of fish, because that often implies a discussion or debate, which isn't always appropriate. Isaac is also right about worship music being trash and Libertarianism being stupid.

[@rosecity_chris]

On a side note, you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work

[@itsjuicenotwine]

Thank you for being honest Isaac, I've decided to not associate with NIFB anymore. They're extremely judgemental and brutal at dealing with others. Sad that people don't see it that way and chose to stay even if theyre being oppressed..

[@tayzk5929]

Being extremely judgemental has a lot of benefits.

[@harpsdesire4200]

Yes judgement is biblical but in the NIFB I find it usually leads to railing accusations and labeling every "reprobate" ​@@tayzk5929

[@palmtreesmusic1945]

The New IFB is a cult and they engage in immature and bullying behavior such as name-calling and insults. This is childish behavior and their so-called pastors have the emotional maturity level of 14-15-year-olds, and just for the record, I know countless 15-18-year-olds who are infinitely more mature than the NIFB preachers. They are bullies and they are just a cult similar to Westboro. They reject key Biblical truths and teach Catholicism. They are really a mini Catholic cult. All their major doctrines are Catholic such as post Trib Rapture and replacement theology.

[@Jane_8319]

This was very interesting. Like a lot of commenters, I don’t know if i would’ve been comfortable doing this interview. I know Isaac is in the comments, and I saw him talk about people addressing the abuse more and I thought that was very thoughtful and insightful. I probably disagree with Isaac on most things political but this was still very insightful, culture-wise. I wonder if a conservative KZbinr has ever done anything like this with this tone for a leftist; that would probably help everyone remember that we’re all just people, just like this one does. Thanks Isaac for doing this. A lot of people wouldn’t. Also I had no idea your dad was so well read on other holy texts. That’s neat.

[@aries8910]

Subscribed after the first 4 minutes. We need more principled people like you supporting grace for kids to learn from their mistakes a do better. I’ve found it insane that leftists simultaneously believe in second chances for those w criminal convictions but almost none for those who said hateful things as a minor. We can do better.

[@tysonpacheco1783]

So the End Conclusion of All this things is: Smart men learn their mistakes, Wise Men learn the mistakes of Others. Will always be my digital pastor

[@ginger_snapped_]

As someone who was homeschooled, I can tell you the most common response I got from people when I told them was “but you’re so normal!” I do also know some pretty great former hmschoolers tho.

[@WishGender]

I was also homeschooled, and I can say that honestly I didn't know that many "weird" ones. In all fairness though, I probably was one of the weird ones, given how autistic I am😅

[@darkstarr984]

Yeah. People are always shocked and tell me that “but you’re so normal” when they learn I was homeschooled. And I just have to wonder what they think *is* weird because I’ll be wearing leopard or snake print in outrageous colors, or was just telling them about how something wasn’t in the Bible but it is in the Divine Comedy.

[@truckerdave8465]

I went to public high school with a few homeschooled kids. One of them ended up in my friend group because we were the weird kids. But we were public school weird. Our formerly homeschooled friend was weird in a way I can’t, even as an adult, put my finger on. I’m high masking late diagnosed autistic and was a ‘gifted’ kid, and she was just…off. Really sweet! But off. I think it’s because she had no clue about the accepted social norms that we, even as the weird kids, had learned to operate in. I do remember how much she loved, and I mean LOVED Ren and Stempy.

[@SkittleE275]

I was 500% one of the weird homeschooled kids. Now I'm just a weird adult with no excuses, though.

[@bensack1138]

I also grew up being spanked and as an early adult held the belief that I turned out ok and I would spank my kid. It wasnt till someone pointed out that I didnt turn out okay because I thought hitting children was acceptable. Now i have a wonderful 3 y/o that has never once been spanked. Change is possible if your willing to be honest with yourself

[@Amira_Jessa]

I had a similar experience growing up. Not with physical abuse. But I said something similar "I turned okay" and my friend looked me dead in the eye and said. "But did you? " and I realized maybe I didn't.

[@KarlUrbahn]

That's circular reasoning. Most children need at least some physical punishment to help them understand. Of course this is where the waters get muddied; how much is too much? Where do you draw the line between good parental discipline and just being downright abusive? That is for mostly for parents to decide, but calling any smack on the buttocks child abuse and not at all necessary is inaccurate.

[@bensack1138]

@KarlUrbahn Circular reasoning would be hitting kids is okay because people hit me when I was a kid. Personally I draw the line at bad parenting when you have to be violent to make your point.

[@BrowncoatFairy]

@@KarlUrbahn "most children need at least some physical punishment" as someone who has raised two kids (currently both honor-roll high schoolers), NO THEY DO NOT. That's an ignorant and abusive belief.

[@AntBearPig]

wow your 3 year old turn out great. ill be back in about 15 years to see how that turned out. it's a brave new world.

[@jahipalmer8782]

I honestly appreciate your willingness to talk to the "other side."

[@a.valentine1273]

DD is seeking to expose how the NIFB breeds and fosters this horrible hatred and bigotry and how truly dangerous it is to kids. Straight from the mouth of the beast comes the truth.

[@rebeccamarino6414]

First - I can’t tell you how much I love that you can have such a civil conversation with someone with whom I’m sure you disagree with on many things. You’re an excellent interviewer, a genuinely kind open person, truly beautiful inside and out. It gives me hope, knowing there are people like you in the world. I feel like a 50 year old fan girl - haha. You are a voice of reason and compassion. Thank you.

[@deaddomain]

Thank you 🙏 I really do try my best.

[@jackiesesthetics88]

He seems pretty normal. Crazy that he could turn out this way after being raised by that man… thanks for doing this interview. Just shows how resilient kids are.

[@Rain-Dirt]

are => can be*

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

@jackiesthetics88 wow... I can concur with general thoughts as to how resilient the human spirit can be, but we most certainly do have dramatically different definitions of what constitutes normal. I'm not intending to insult with my remarks... It is just genuinely shocking to hear someone say such a thing! I suppose it is all a matter if POV, as much is in life. As a gay man who also happens toi be Jewish... I STRONGLY disagree. The remarks about different races, overweight people, his rationalisations for MUCH of the childhood abuse in his home is far from normal. I suppose normal for me implies a certain degree of healthiness, of mind, body, and spirit... or something as simple as the opposite of unhealthy, and something more focused on the positive....Shalom 🕊️

[@jackiesesthetics88]

@@edwardkantowicz4707 Hey I wrote my comment kind of early in, and as the interview went on and toward the end I was really sad to hear his homophobic remarks. Still though he doesn’t sound nearly as hateful and dangerous as his father, not even close.

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

@@jackiesesthetics88 Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Agreed; yes certainly not as angry or hateful as his father. It wasn't my intention to make you feel as though I had singled you out here either:. as I read further remarks from others saying he was normal... In all fairness, I suppose by comparison to the father, I can understand people coming away with that impression of him. Cheers Jackie.

[@MurphysLawyer99]

I’ve been following your channel since you infiltrated the hate church and holy shit. I was not expecting you to drop this bomb. Thank you so much for shedding a light on this topic, Jordan. I cannot imagine being in your shoes. Isaac still has a lot of growing to do (and healing, because I find it hard to believe the abuse he’s had to endure didn’t leave a mark), but hopefully him being open to talk to people with opposing views is a start? Can’t wait to see what’s coming up on this channel, I really appreciate your work ❤️

[@isaacanderson2152]

I have plenty growing I need to do as I get older, I feel I have already healed and moved on from my childhood.

[@mastersquinch]

At the very least, it's possible their kids will be better. And those kids maybe even better. Trauma leaves trans-generational scars.

[@SwearNoOaths]

Key word: Infiltrated The intentions from the start dont seem to be to reason with people who disagree with you. Sounds like you just wanted dirt on people.

[@mikey-wl2jt]

yo, isaac! I'm glad you're here and reading comments. i really oppose your worldview, in so very many ways. all i would ever ask of you is to be kind, love your neighbor, and be kind. (yup, said it twice)

[@nathanirby4273]

He says that he practices ju-jitsu and martial arts, and is confident he could take his father in a fight..I would speculate that one of the reasons he became interested in martial arts was because of the constant fear he must have perpetually lived in of his fathers wrath, I mean, he intonates that his father was trying to goad him into hitting him back, to preemptively justify severely beating or killing him...,thats a premeditated act if it is true, and I believe him when he says that, having been in a similar situation with my father.. I wonder if he felt like he had to protect his younger siblings ss well, or if he holds any level of internalized resentment towards his mother for not trying to protect him, or if his fathers outbursts were ever directed at her at anypoint that he saw. I can say from my own personal experience that living in a low level but constant fear of doing or saying the wrong things can lead to a hypervigiliant almost paranoid state in later life, it can lead you to react unpredictably when subconcious stimuli trigger floods of built up internalized rage ....you have to be very careful to avoid the same pitfalls and recognize in yourself why you are perpetuating the same kinds of behavior , and most people lack the self awereness to engage with themselves like that

[@DoctorPlagueWorld]

I have worked with guys like this dude my whole life, and I absolutely laughed my ass off at this interview. He’s highly and unabashedly inflammatory, but he’s very well spoken and definitely has a personality.

[@isaacanderson2152]

😂😂😂

[@LouisasKnitKnacks]

Thank you so much for doing this. I have been following this family for years, and I’ve been wondering how the kids were going to turn out.

[@ClanToreador]

Same, and I love pastor andersons sermons, but I’m concerned with how he treated his kids 😢 that’s a shame.

[@andrewboff5682]

Anderson is a Devil of hate.

[@fuzzy3932]

I feel like the right person/therapy could actually get thru to this dude. He seems like an okay person trapped in an incredibly emotionally stunned brain. He seems at least interested in growing/learning but lacks the insight to make any real change on his own.

[@DarqueSyde66]

This was a very good conversation. Illuminating. Kudos to you both for being so civil. The world could learn a lot from this.

[@isaacanderson2152]

👍

[@silverchord5790]

Dead Domain, thank you for the work you do on this channel. You spread important news and inspiration and without you our community would be worse off. Sincerely thank you (Also just wanted to say you're my transition goals :3)