INTPs - The Detached Observers

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@Mr10203040
@Mr10203040 3 жыл бұрын
Pro: INTP comes out with the most logical, efficient, and effective solution Con: the social lag
@aschmuas
@aschmuas 3 жыл бұрын
Machine learning is the answer. With strong enough code, and adequate sample size of social mores, assimilation with the humans is attainable. They’ll never know 🤫 Or just tell them it’s your process to be completely genuine with them, you put thought into your response, those worth your time will find it endearing. Tricks of the trade, control the narrative, and have no shame! (For shame is an emotional response, ew) 😬
@cyberneticbutterfly8506
@cyberneticbutterfly8506 3 жыл бұрын
On the contrary INTJs and ENTJs for instance have a lot bigger problem with the Fe than an INTJ has. INTPs has Fe as their weakest conscious function but they do learn to adapt to it, and be considerate among other social skills. It's the Se part of social skills perhaps that's the problem. And especially Fi being at the very bottom of the INTP shadow is particularly problematic. The way I see it INTPs that have social problems only appear to have them but in reality arn't able to regulate their emotions with Fi as well as the other types so it comes back to haunt them.
@wesnohathas1993
@wesnohathas1993 3 жыл бұрын
"Social lag" is perhaps the most accurate term I've seen describing the issue. An inability to remain engaged in and adapt to any social situation due to always falling behind.
@cyberneticbutterfly8506
@cyberneticbutterfly8506 3 жыл бұрын
@@whatever12643 It's important to not misunderstand the meaning of rational. There are three types of issues in life: -Pure preference, here it's rational to just go with what you want. -Pure fact. Here it's rational to not let emotions affect it at all. -Issues of judgement. Here you have imperfect information about complex issues that you need to make decision or judgement about on. It's rational to take both into account and irrational to only use logic or only emotion. This latter category is made up of a network of *both facts and preferences* and therefore you can't just go with your emotions and you can't ignore them either. For instance what to do when electing to take the surgery or not. Here you have alot of parts of the issue that deal with preference, and pros and cons that are emotional. But if you don't let the right facts inform you then you get the wrong emotions. Conversly if you only go with what is "rational" you get a *charicature* of rationality that isn't rational at all. It's not a factual answer of what to do after all. In this case you feel stunned cause you might want to know perfectly what to choose but don't have infinite time to gather information. Also sometimes you get cons on either choise and you arn't sure about your feelings in what would be the worse con. In matters of judgement you can only reach "better" answers never right answers.
@cyberneticbutterfly8506
@cyberneticbutterfly8506 3 жыл бұрын
​@@whatever12643 Let me ask how do you define rationality? No how do you define "define"?
@kshitizbatra
@kshitizbatra 3 жыл бұрын
The way you describe that they are the audience in their own play just was so relatable, i always feel like that person
@BL00DYR0S31
@BL00DYR0S31 3 жыл бұрын
Oh! God. Stop ✋ I’m seriously going to tear up😢
@vazzaroth
@vazzaroth 3 жыл бұрын
We're the hidden plants in the audience that suddenly break into ensemble song halfway through act 1. Except somehow even we're surprised when we do.
@taitai2334
@taitai2334 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@scratchoriginalsdh
@scratchoriginalsdh 2 жыл бұрын
That was actually mind-blowing to me. I am starting to entertain the idea that I may be Intp instead of Intj. I can’t figure this out! Mostly I have avoided going there because I don’t think I could possibly be the “most intelligent type.” Not me man. 😂
@eslam7116
@eslam7116 3 жыл бұрын
INTPs not having feelings is a huge myth. All humans have feelings, it’s not something that your personality determines. Making logical decisions and being analytical doesn’t mean we are emotionless. When INTPs open up to people and get comfortable to them, they show a warm and friendly side that not many people get to see unfortunately because not many people take the time to get to know them. They judge by outward appearance, “cold, quiet, has no personality” are things I have been told about me. Don’t think INTPs as being like this, they don’t mean to be, it’s just that being social is really hard.
@saranonimus9211
@saranonimus9211 3 жыл бұрын
I definitely have feelings...I think about them a lot! 😉
@azanuan9185
@azanuan9185 3 жыл бұрын
Warmest robot is not our title by coincidence
@audreyhowler
@audreyhowler 3 жыл бұрын
Those who get it stick around. Those who don't...are likely too needy for INTP folks anyway. - an ISTP
@Ignasimp
@Ignasimp 3 жыл бұрын
I've never been told that I have no personality. Quite the opposite. They always tell me I have either a very atypical or strong personality. Maybe because I'm very argumentative and opinionated.
@Namari12
@Namari12 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ignasimp That sounds more ENTP to me honestly. ENTPs are kinda defined by their argumentative and opinionated natures. Maybe you're on the cusp between E and I?
@cdenese108
@cdenese108 3 жыл бұрын
Older INTP here. What you said about feeling like someone who is looking in rather than participating even when an actual participant absolutely resonates. Most of the time I enjoy being the detached observer. It allows me to see and appreciate many sides of an issue which is helpful in many areas of my life. Now that you mention it, I very much enjoy indulging it in some situations. One of my favorite things to do is visit new-to-me places that have personality -- out of the way small towns, coffee shops or other meeting type places with a long history, meeting places of people with shared off beat interests (their interests, not necessarily mine) -- just to soak up the vibe and the way of being and add it to the library.
@SanchezS1998
@SanchezS1998 3 жыл бұрын
22 y/o here. I do the exact same thing!
@taiweannoona1204
@taiweannoona1204 3 жыл бұрын
Yes,same
@Desimere
@Desimere 3 жыл бұрын
I do this too, but i consider this to be an aspect of empathy and not necessarily connected to attachment/detachment. It still works the same way with various levels of attachment/detachment. You can strongly believe one thing and still switch out of that mindset while talking to someone with a different viewpoint. I have one friend who believes in magic and i absolutely love switching to that world, it's like reading a fantasy book, but in real life. And in that moment, i can believe that the world we live in is a fantasy world, while in my normal life i don't even believe in the most common fantasies, such as souls and free will. The vibes are great too, yeah, feel how an extrovert experiences a crowded restaurant, etc.
@cdenese108
@cdenese108 3 жыл бұрын
@@Desimere I experience that sort of thing too and have heard it referred to as being a chameleon. When I was a young adult it actually concerned me a bit that I wasn't sure which if any of these personas was actually my own.
@Desimere
@Desimere 3 жыл бұрын
@@cdenese108 true, true, same. Between me and my sister, in some childhood memories, we don't know which one of us was which. The borders between yourself and others are blurred. And then with other people, i just always have to trust their recollection over mine. (unfair, why can't i ever be the one who had the original expression *eyeroll*)
@ollieklink2271
@ollieklink2271 3 жыл бұрын
It is incredible how present and interested INTP's are in personality types, especially since they make up a small minority. So many trying to logically understand themselves to fix their flawed habits, I feel like there needs to be a video going through the many reasons for this disproportionate interest.
@gc636
@gc636 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@enieh112
@enieh112 3 жыл бұрын
I've thought about this too, and my conclusion is that MBTI is a sort of "language" created to hold up a mirror to everyone. For INTP's this language seems easier to understand as they can see the "cognitive function here means opposing function over there" more easily, leading to a more structured overview in their minds of all our chaotic natures. MBTI has given an explanation, rules and reward. Heh. Maybe it's more a game 😎.
@FindingYourSerenity
@FindingYourSerenity 3 жыл бұрын
@@enieh112 Yeah I've thought this too.
@savvageorge
@savvageorge 3 жыл бұрын
I know I'll never be able to fix my flaws. For me it's about disaster management and trying to limit the damage I cause to myself and others. I dread to think what might happen if I ever stopped thinking about things. It would be like allowing a chimpanzee to fly an airplane. I actually think INTPs might be the least intelligent type when relying on pure instincts.
@Multitudes_
@Multitudes_ 3 жыл бұрын
The IN types in general make up a disproportionate amount of the people interested in this stuff. We're all relatively introspective and interested in abstract theories & concepts.
@00Klingon
@00Klingon 3 жыл бұрын
Detachment can really help an INTP help others in emotionally stressful situations. INTP can often see a clear path forward when others may panic or shut down. Unfortunately this doesn’t always work when an INTP tries to use this on themselves when already emotionally stressed which often results in decision paralysis or apathy.
@wesnohathas1993
@wesnohathas1993 3 жыл бұрын
Decision paralysis and apathy. That just described my whole existence.
@nihilistjellyfish4203
@nihilistjellyfish4203 3 жыл бұрын
I dissociate all the time and imagine what I am experiencing as in a movie, TV show, video game, or as described in a novel. Also, I'm very perceptive of people and their personalities. It's like I'm telepathic. I can't help but type everyone I meet and see all the underlying dynamics and how their personalities manifest.
@azanuan9185
@azanuan9185 3 жыл бұрын
I relate to this on spiritual level (it means I relate a lot)
@wetsocks7619
@wetsocks7619 3 жыл бұрын
I also find myself couped up in my own though out world. However, interpersonal relationships have not been within my realm of interest which only leads me to overlook people quite often in regards to mannerisms and social behavior. I find myself pondering on the content of their dialogue more often 👁️👁️
@MikahIsabellaSLopez-fg8bp
@MikahIsabellaSLopez-fg8bp 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly lol
@dm.3145
@dm.3145 Жыл бұрын
@@wetsocks7619 same
@priyanzhu
@priyanzhu Жыл бұрын
same goes for me as an INTP
@miglemigle9575
@miglemigle9575 3 жыл бұрын
I like your description of how the INTP brain works. I definitely relate to feeling like an observer even though you're actually a part of the thing. Sometimes when I'm engaging in a physical activity my mind doesn't feel like a part of it - just observing yourself doing stuff.
@thegreypilgrim2849
@thegreypilgrim2849 3 жыл бұрын
I truly relate with you here.
@ovithegreat8817
@ovithegreat8817 2 жыл бұрын
I ran cross country as a kid. It was really therapeutic for me. I would think about a ton of things and ideas, almost everything except running lol.
@PlaguedByEarth
@PlaguedByEarth 3 жыл бұрын
As an INTP, I identify as a detached bobblehead.
@ThePurplebabaloa
@ThePurplebabaloa 3 жыл бұрын
A “detached observer”...definitely when I was younger. I wasn’t sad or envious, it was just something “entertaining” to do...now fast forward to “lately”... I am trying to engage more with the world. Starting with bouncing ideas off of a friend, instead of me internalizing everything. Baby steps~
@brentjohnson7044
@brentjohnson7044 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, as an INTP I relate very much to the "detached observer" description. It is often an asset, but sometimes a liability. It is very difficult for me to be "in the moment" even when the situation is such that being in the moment is desirable. (Think of meditation, or...um...use your imagination.) Also, the detachment is somewhat of an illusion. I often fool myself into thinking I don't have feelings about something because I think I understand someone's actions and the point of view which led to those actions, and I can empathize with that person. However, my feelings about it still exist, and sometimes come out...in a non-detached manner.
@sebastiansutton9844
@sebastiansutton9844 3 жыл бұрын
Dude 100% I do the same thing
@theordinary1059
@theordinary1059 3 жыл бұрын
Strange. In my opinion, the moment is sort of overrated and kind of pointless. It certainly beats worthless and destructive thoughts such as being anxious, angry, stressed or being worried by some trivial and transient matters though. But when I imagine the "Detached observer" I see myself seeing a situation in a non-human way. Whenever I enter this state, I start to look past the factors of a scenario and how they will relate to eachother, what consequences something will have, empathy, etc. Instead I see concepts often brought on by questions. I might see a conversation happening, something I'm not involved in, and then I might start to ask "Why are these people talking?" and then: "Why do we communicate?" "How does communication work?" "What is language, what is definition?". I get into a sort of philosophical nirvana state where all I see is are the underlying functions that we normally don't see or think about. The elementary logic that we work with every day yet don't notice. The structure of the mind, perception and the abstract axioms of the universe. When I go into this "Detached observer" state, I feel like I'm in the place I'm supposed to be. Like I'm acting on my true nature, to my true purpose. Yet at the same the concept of "me" doesn't exist, all that exist is logic, reason and interesting onsight and observations made from new perspectives. I do however get the sense that this isn't the state that many in the comments are reffering to, the state I'm talking about seems to go deeper into the nature of reality and be more mindblowing. Or maybe this is exactly the state that you guys are always in, and if that's the case then I'm extremely jealous. I would drop everything I own in the blink of an eye If I could enter that state on command. I'm currently trying to harvest detachment in a hope to reach said philosophical nirvana more often.
@brentjohnson7044
@brentjohnson7044 3 жыл бұрын
@@theordinary1059 , I agree that the mental state of wandering through a web of conceptual associations is a wonderful thing, as unexpected insights or questions pop up regarding how everything is interrelated, but it isn't a state I would always want to be in. Unfortunately, I have a really hard time getting out of my head, and the few times when I have, for example, been to a concert and just *experienced* it without a sideband analytical commentary going on in my head have been amazing for me. (Then again, I have also been to dance concerts where associations just bubbled up, and if I could manage to stop myself from getting so distracted by those associations that I no longer was paying attention to the dance, those experiences have been amazing too.) I would want to be able to switch states *in either direction* at will. Being detached from a situation permits a powerful perspective. But so does being *inside* or *a part of* a situation. Being stuck in your head all the time also causes problems in relationships.
@ElleEmm
@ElleEmm 3 жыл бұрын
@Brent Johnson I was about to comment precisely this- specifically the difficulty you described with "being in the moment"- before I read yours. I wholly agree.
@tilinapple
@tilinapple 3 жыл бұрын
“Perhaps ironically, despite sometimes being passive observers, their insights are often the most actionable and practical in their potential application. When you think about the actions that their thoughts can lead to, even if it’s other people making use of those thoughts, then it changes them from being viewed as purely academic figures into people who are actually progenitors of much action in the world.” 💯💯 I feel like someone finally understands me! So many people accuse me of being arm-chair philosophers and useless day-dreamers and that I have no right to say how people should act or how the world should be when I don’t even take any action myself, that I have no right to say practical things because that would make me a hypocrite, when the reason I don’t take much action myself is precisely the reason why my thoughts and sayings are so practical! The extent to which I am a detached observer is the reason why I chronically suffer from executive dysfunction and procrastination. When trying to find a way to motivate myself and take action, I find myself facing the paradox of free will.
@aschmuas
@aschmuas 3 жыл бұрын
The variety of types in the population supports the need for collaboration for true effectiveness. I have reached the same conclusion as you previously... if my behavior were the same as my critics, my insights would definitely not be! What I can recommend most is developing your Fe, and establishing rapport with those who compliment your strengths. As tempting as it is to celebrate and embrace our detachment, the abilities you possess can give you great strength as a leader. Being capable of establishing who knows and who doesn’t without intimate knowledge of their subject matter is immensely powerful. Develop a team that recognizes your value, and enjoy the subsequent success!
@theordinary1059
@theordinary1059 3 жыл бұрын
No one should ever give you shit for acting in accordance with the highest form of human nature. The most beautiful and elegant part of humanity is (opinion incoming) our capacity for reason. The fact that you find intrest in philosophy and the abstract theory and principles that explain our complicated and bewildering reality is something that should be cherished. Do not let people insert their own values into your perception of your worth. However, make a habit of writing your insights down on paper or in a document. Doing this can help you during your thought-process, and it will also make these thoughts accessable in the future.
@nviolinist7328
@nviolinist7328 3 жыл бұрын
I can relate to this a lot, as i'm a writer. Sometimes i really want to write something, but i end up procrastinating. it can sometimes take me months to just write 3-8 paragraphs. Half the time i'm procrastinating, the 40% is research, 10% is actually writing. Though when i finish writing, for some strange reason, i always put myself in the perspective as the reader and how my way of writing makes others think/feel. When i publish it, i tend to step back and reread my work as a normal person discovering something new.
@FizXify
@FizXify 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone has both thinking and feeling in them. Everyone has the ability to make decisions based on logic and emotions. The personality types just depends on your preferences, what you use more, and what you would use if you were in a life and death situation. For some a perceiving function is only their second function (more balance between the feeling/thinking), but for those with thinking/feeling as your primary function, it's more telling.
@tilinapple
@tilinapple 3 жыл бұрын
@@theordinary1059 tending the archives until the world is ready, as they say
@satyasyasatyasya5746
@satyasyasatyasya5746 3 жыл бұрын
Its worth noting that the detatchment isn't always or entirely, voluntary. There's a vicious cycle of not being great with people, talking a step back, getting worse because of that distance and then trying again, only to recoil again... and so on and so on. Sometimes to fortress of logic the INTP builds is as much to view the world from, as it is to keep the world out. Because it hurts too much.
@matthew3774
@matthew3774 3 жыл бұрын
Just open yourself to external input in certain small areas, and go from there
@satyasyasatyasya5746
@satyasyasatyasya5746 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthew3774 Thats like saying to someone with a fear of dogs (because they've repeatedly been attacked by them) to "just go and play with some dogs"
@matthew3774
@matthew3774 3 жыл бұрын
@@satyasyasatyasya5746 Yeah, and exposure therapy is actually a thing. I don’t see your point, of course it may be hard at first but as long as you’re not discouraged too quickly you’ll get there
@shinigamik3027
@shinigamik3027 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t even know I was that detached until you described my situation. Oop
@mavincio
@mavincio 3 жыл бұрын
You always have one of the most incredible and detailed videos. They definitely share a lot of similarities with the INTJ type. INTJ here.
@caioramos8454
@caioramos8454 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, if you are an intp that is a little more assertive you might even be mistyped, we are really similar
@deus_ross
@deus_ross 3 жыл бұрын
Not really, it depends(?
@caioramos8454
@caioramos8454 3 жыл бұрын
@@deus_ross i mean i got mistyped as an intj in some tests, but also as infp, but i still identify most with intp or maybe mbti just doesnt make much sense
@stephanbrunker
@stephanbrunker 2 жыл бұрын
That is not that far fetched. In the normal mode of operation, INTJ are the path forgers, getting things done. But these is only the result of the dominating functions. If there is no pressure (internal or external) to do so, INTJ can lean back and indulge in their mirror functions - which are these of an INTP. Perhaps for INTJ, the preference for Ni over Ne and Te over Ti is generally not that distinct.
@livelife5947
@livelife5947 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephanbrunker I’m an INTJ, I forge no path & get absolutely nothing done. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
@liv5015
@liv5015 3 жыл бұрын
"They're not just floating heads. Although... kind of"
@XX-bk6xd
@XX-bk6xd 3 жыл бұрын
Yes totally resonate with being a detached observer as an INTP. I mostly see it as a strenght, but on the flipside I can never connect with anything im involved in outside of my headspace. The only way around that is creating a retrospective narrative of events that puts my charachter in third person.
@sarahknutsen2317
@sarahknutsen2317 3 жыл бұрын
I am the most “awake” in the physical world when I am with animals. The only non theoretical dream I have is one day having a farm and taking care of animals. It pisses me off cuz people around me don’t get how I would be able to take on so much responsibility, but I know with myself that I would do an amazing job at it. I would read a lot and make systems at the farm and animals need you to be alert and present with them, and I 100% am. And I think most INTPs would do great at that and also could be lifesaving for many of us. It’s a great way to develop Fe and get a routine that needs you with all four INTP functions! No humans though. No human farm for me.
@Brainslaier
@Brainslaier 3 жыл бұрын
But have you considered keeping a couple children as pets though?
@sarahknutsen2317
@sarahknutsen2317 3 жыл бұрын
@@Brainslaier Hahaha maybe one day
@r-7498
@r-7498 3 жыл бұрын
I always like to put myself in a neutral stance, detaching myself from my affinity and background, collecting ideas from different perspectives, and formulate my most rational conclusions and solutions. Because I prefer to be an audience or the observer, communicating those ideas is a struggle, putting it into action and making it happens is even harder. So yeah, this is my excuse for procrastinating 😁
@acamac.1861
@acamac.1861 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite character in every series is the camera man, seeing everything as it is, but also the one constructing the view and how it's made, if the cameraman does a bad job, no matter how good the story is, it will be bad, or interpreted the wrong way
@michaelhighlights1614
@michaelhighlights1614 3 жыл бұрын
i like the evil masterminds, im wayyy to laazy and dont have a portion of their motivation and too peacefull to be one, but the plot often makes them turn out to have planned, predicted and acted everything so well :D much more fun than repetetive protagonists
@stevedavenport1202
@stevedavenport1202 3 жыл бұрын
The INTP mind is a beautiful mind.
@kevrokka.d.9749
@kevrokka.d.9749 3 жыл бұрын
If you don't mind me asking, how so?
@stevedavenport1202
@stevedavenport1202 3 жыл бұрын
It's the searing intellect...clarity of vision...unique insights, etx.
@kevrokka.d.9749
@kevrokka.d.9749 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevedavenport1202 Thanks. :)
@anonymousstranger3520
@anonymousstranger3520 3 жыл бұрын
You can just say our minds are lagged with thoughts ;)
@kevrokka.d.9749
@kevrokka.d.9749 3 жыл бұрын
ALWAYS the detached observer. I need to know the underlying principle(s) to EVERYTHING and to do that you must detach your mind from body at times. INTPs are perhaps the living embodiment of mind over matter. I feel that if I can understand underlying principles, then I can understand everything. I am never truly in the moment because my brain wants to make everything abstract so I can extract as much info from a situation as I can to understand the whole. Great and insightful video!
@mqh2411
@mqh2411 2 жыл бұрын
I do that too, INFJ here, but I feel the urge to take actions as well.
@damadagua1265
@damadagua1265 3 жыл бұрын
This is so true. I've learned to not show much of this side of me in conversations because people usually do not like it
@gabriellebarnard707
@gabriellebarnard707 3 жыл бұрын
I do! I do! INFP 5w4 here & INTPs are the type I admire the most! Can’t speak for all Fi types, but I admire Ti’s independent thinking & ability to set aside emotions to pursue the truth. Love hearing INTPs points of view. INTPs always have such amazing insights in an almost Ni way, but can approach everything with such impressively open minds.
@raquelnunes5590
@raquelnunes5590 5 ай бұрын
INTP here. There are few people that will like it, but when you find your people is amazing!! My friends and fammily always talk to me when they need a solution to their problems since i was a kid, but finding people to wander and discuss about abstract things and the logic behind the world is hard, but worth it. Sorry for the bad English and I hope you find your people
@FrankDAgostino77
@FrankDAgostino77 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the most intense struggle is internal! Got to purify our own logical constructs. Detached observers even of ourselves.
@zak3744
@zak3744 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most apt descriptions of me, which I've never forgotten, was given by a friend when I was eighteen or nineteen years old. "Imagine if life was a big beach," he said, "and everyone was in the waves having fun, then you'd have some people swimming while some would be surfing. Others would be on jetskis or scuba diving and there'd be some people going round on a banana boat. Different people might be enjoying sunbathing on the shore or making sandcastles. But Zak would be gently floating on his back in the shallows and surveying the scene, watching everybody go about their business and just taking it all in." So yes, you could say it resonates!
@_evelynn8025
@_evelynn8025 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, people watching is one of my favorite things to do. I’ll actually try and do it as often as I can. I think that watching people and trying to understand them, and trying to learn how they will react to something is important, because then I know how to better present my thoughts or opinions, or whatever, on things to them. Even during rare group outings, I tend to be the more silent one who just watches the conversations and interactions going on, logging them away for later. My favorite thing to see is how someone will react a certain way with one person, but a completely different way with another lol I also think that the use of introverted thinking is not so much “logical” in the sense of it’s literal definition, but rather it is about what makes the most sense to whoever is using their introverted thinking. The thought process a person goes through takes them to their logic, but the catch here is that Ti is going through that thought process without feelings involved; Ti doms go through said thought process pretty much at all times. Other types might not be able to use Ti very well, depending on where it falls in their stack, or on how mature they are. So while a lot of times people might claim that they’ve made a “logical” decision, it is often times a decision they made based on what made them feel good, not based on a thought process devoid of emotion or bias, and therefore can’t be considered truly logical. Those people are more “attached.” The reason INTPs are so stubborn is because even though we can definitely see where a person is coming from, we just can’t forgive them for making the “wrong” decision, especially if it was a feeling-based one. INTPs do have feelings, but we usually choose not to acknowledge them, and will make a logical decision even if we don’t feel good about it, or even if it makes us sad or upset or whatever. This is what makes us seem more “detached.” The reason I think this is because even when I’m following my own logical thoughts, I can still see how a different conclusion that someone else made on the same situation might make sense or be “logical” to them (regardless of whether it was a feeling-based decision, or a thought-based decision), but that doesn’t mean I will be swayed in my thinking. I will make a decision on something based on a thought process that I went through in order to find the most sound conclusion at its end. After going through my entire thought process (which was 100% sound and ironclad), I really can’t understand how somebody can completely disregard my thought process and decide to do things differently. In my head, it was super clear, very simple, and there was only one truly sound decision in the end. So basically an INTPs Ti/Ne functions come together and are like: I can understand, but I will never agree lol
@ongyuxuan6989
@ongyuxuan6989 3 жыл бұрын
The moment we attach ourselves into the world, we start to panic
@Aprillfools
@Aprillfools 3 жыл бұрын
Wow...this...really...hit..home. Sometimes I feel like an oddball(I've also been told that). I've also been told that I'm a bit cold in the way I react to things. What they don't understand is that I really do feel strongly about things, it's just that I don't know how to show that to other people or the way I do show it is off somehow. I really don't understand how going off on something is any way to do things. Emotional reactions don't accomplish much, except maybe to set off more emotional reactions. Thanks Nate
@NocturnalCachalot
@NocturnalCachalot 3 жыл бұрын
It resonates with me a 💯% 😳 I usually tend to describe myself as someone who "dissociates a lot", a bystander who observes the world, but isn't part of it. Metaphorically: "As if sitting on a mountain and watching the things that are happening in the far distance." That sort of Impression 😅 And I seriously adore statistics as a means to avoid biased thinking as much as possible (confirmation bias is the worst!).
@JackyVSO
@JackyVSO 3 жыл бұрын
I was once in a relationship with an ESFP. One time, after sex, she asked me if I would also occasionally have these awkward moments where I suddenly became consciously aware of what was going on. She said that had happened to her once or twice during sex. At first I didn't understand. I'm always consciously aware of what's going on. Even during sex, I'll be making decisions based on reasoning. But when I thought about it for a while, I guess I'd had some occasional flashes of not reflecting, like her occasional flashes of reflection. Sometimes I really envy people with Se...
@MaleINTP
@MaleINTP 3 жыл бұрын
Being a detached observer is a good way to look and analyze everyone's points. I prefere sitting in the audience then participating on the play.
@Mart-Man
@Mart-Man 3 жыл бұрын
As an INTP - I agree. That said, the world does not prioritize observations and insights. Results are all that matter. So being able to act and get the outcome gives a certain amount of call it "status" or "respect" as people are more willing to listen and follow people that get things done. Only a tiny amount of people actually get things done. And no - being an employee is not getting things done. If you are told what to do, you don't get even 40% of the credit (even if most people think it's the other way around). Knowing WHAT to do and HOW to do it is the key. INTPs tend to struggle with the doing part as it requires other people. Moreover, balancing what is considered valuable is also crucial. You might think that you know WHAT to do, but that might be only valuable to yourself (a hole INTPs tend to fall in rather a lot, including me). So being able to incorporate and systematize what is valuable in general to most people and to be able to evolve that definition is the key, in my opinion. Again, need pesky humans for that. Humans think I am crazy and insane after talking to me. They want to be respected without earning it in my eyes... so... there is friction. It all comes down to aligning what is valued by self with what others value (including the status of people who might be dumb in our eyes but have proven themselves to the community in general)...
@Mart-Man
@Mart-Man 3 жыл бұрын
Also, we tend to get too attached to what we value and dismiss what other value instead of systematizing it and kinda finding what is valued by people in general. Or at least by a certain demographic.
@saranonimus9211
@saranonimus9211 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, this certainly rings true. It also shows up as imposter syndrome. You've previously noted that the INTP may experience life like a brain walking around in a meat suit...sometimes, I feel like roles/jobs are a different kind of suit I'm wearing, not integrated with who "I" am. I often think of trickster characters who play at having different identities out of curiosity or to cope with immediate circumstances.
@justinwhite2725
@justinwhite2725 3 жыл бұрын
Detached observer seems to fit well. I try to distinguish between 'what is' and 'what I would like it to be' in a way that most other people I know can't. They get so emotionally invested in an idea or circumstance (even one they are strongly opposed to) thst they can't see the reality of the situation.
@kenban8533
@kenban8533 3 жыл бұрын
This definitely resonates. I've often participated in various groups, always feeling like an outsider the whole time, only to be told years later that everyone else felt like I was a core member of the group. On the one hand, this tends to leave me alienated, and several times I walked away from that group exactly because I didn't really feel like part of it. On the other hand, I've been told after the fact that my input was actually very helpful - precisely because it had that outside perspective to it. I guess the moral of the story is not to let your own feelings of alienation get the better of you (easier said than done, of course).
@tomgang5612
@tomgang5612 3 жыл бұрын
I want to socialize and contribute to society. But I get bored so easily, especially from small talk. Exploring new ideas is the only activity which does not bore me.
@MM-gk1tm
@MM-gk1tm 2 жыл бұрын
My INTP son loves theorizing about practical things. Recycling, car maintenance, proper ironing technique, etc...
@ScottishJazzman
@ScottishJazzman 3 жыл бұрын
I take great care in how I articulate this - I feel like this “detached participation” is how I feel in my (really very happy) marriage! I love her dearly, and I could not contemplate life without her in it, but... there are times when I am vaguely aware of the weirdness that there is another sentient object (/person) habitually sharing my space. ps. I know this makes me sound nuts... I question the feeling myself! 😂
@evedotcom
@evedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
I think that is fairly normal! Or it should be!
@enieh112
@enieh112 3 жыл бұрын
I know that feeling, i think. Like two equal-sized partitions on a harddrive. Or being schizofrenic, just that the other consciousness led the exact same life.
@sarahknutsen2317
@sarahknutsen2317 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most precise INTP videos I’ve seen/heard. Great job!
@cyberneticbutterfly8506
@cyberneticbutterfly8506 3 жыл бұрын
I remember learning a heuristic rule in my youth that helps INTPs tremendously: Don't assume others will feel the same way as you about the things you like. Don't be enthusiastic about something expecting everyone to share in it. It becomes awkward. The chanses that they will feel the same enthusiasm for the same thing at the same time is low. You probably went through some phase of familiarity with the topic of the enthusism for some time. Other people know that they should socialize about the things we have in common rather than the things that just happen to be your interest lately. So their go to topics are (popular) films, music, gossip, other boring stuff that doesn't appeal to INTPs. It's not a coincidence. It's just too intense to have somebody involve you into their current esoteric interest.
@sarahknutsen2317
@sarahknutsen2317 3 жыл бұрын
Being detached and analyse everything is the comfort zone, whilst being/becoming attached can cause anxiety. Attachment is sort of a burden and an alien feeling when what’s natural is watching from afar. I think Ti wants what’s useful so you can problem solve quickly, but pure Fe makes that very difficult and feels like a waste of time. To me it seems like my brain works in systems and patterns, and when I know the systems and patterns that a person operates within I can turn to Fe much quicker. However, if I can’t I use my Ti ways at first and just Fe, I get confused and annoyed. I’ve realised I’m the most comfortable with people how are direct and honest, even if that person is mean or some other negative Fe word haha. I don’t really care and can hang out with anyone as long as they are not a blank slate and impossible to “decode”. And now I don’t remember your question. 👍🏽
@sebastiansutton9844
@sebastiansutton9844 3 жыл бұрын
Okay... the more comments I read the more I realize how many people think exactly how I do
@sarahknutsen2317
@sarahknutsen2317 3 жыл бұрын
@@sebastiansutton9844 welcome home, son
@savvageorge
@savvageorge 3 жыл бұрын
I think in the physical world detached observer is a good description. Mentally we're probably the reverse and more like obsessively attached creators to the point where it can sometimes interfere with our effectiveness in the real world if our own heads become too distracting.
@gouki4u
@gouki4u 3 жыл бұрын
INTP here. I'm absolutely a detached observer. I try to stay on the periphery. It usually has the best view.
@eme.261
@eme.261 3 жыл бұрын
Periodically, I have to force myself to engage, especially in the professional sphere, as too many take offense to what they believe is aloofness that borders on insult. Alas, most of the time I find humans to be incredibly pedestrian-- rarely do they behave in ways that generate an impulse within me to pay attention to what they're up to and when I do get the impulse, I make too many of them squirm, as my interest is so pointed they're left with the impression that I'm examining them as one would a bug under a microscope. I can't win. 🤷 I find it far easier and less distressing to others to pay attention to them surreptitiously if they peak my curiosity. As for how far the detached examination aspect of my character goes, I was attacked on a NYC subway by a sexual predator in 2018. As I fought him off, I found myself systematically examining the attacker (his physical movements, the words he kept blurting-- he was a very irrational, borderline psychotic being), as well as my responses to his actions (physically and emotionally). During the trial, which occurred a year and a half after the attack, the Assistant District Attorney kept sharing with me that it was incredibly unusual for a victim to have such a clear and detailed recollection of an attack. I kept it to myself that it's in my nature and nothing unusual. I remembered all of it, as while I was experiencing it up close and personal, I was also very detached from it and was examining and cataloguing it all away to pull apart and puzzle over at a later time. The most prevalent thoughts in my mind during the attack: • This moment is an indication of how impaired this man is. • What would drive a human to make such irrational choices? • Crap! I am far too busy right now to deal with this rubbish. • How fortuitous that I took up the practices of aikido and kenjutsu-- I am more than a match for this knife wielding lunatic. • Humans are so disappointing. 😑
@delavan9141
@delavan9141 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation of INTPs evaluating the competence of others no matter if they know anything about the person's field of expertise. As an INTP, I instinctively evaluate everyone's competence, regardless of their station, and use my evaluation to heavily base my opinion of that person. To me the ultimate moral failing is when an incompetent person thinks of themself as competent. In comparison, incompetence based on laziness or uncaring is less a failing and I keep an open mind until I know that person better.
@NastyRex
@NastyRex 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. Whenever i am in a "who is right" type of condition, i always like to put myself in neutral grounds and forget about any relation between me and the others and choose my side by the only base that right is right & wrong is wrong and that's how i sometimes end up agreeing with the enemy team and nobody can even sue me for that cuz i am morally and logically right. That kind of makes me a detached observer.
@styloroc2000
@styloroc2000 3 жыл бұрын
Fairly spot on; I think the internal wrestling with biases is actually the fuel for action, in my case. The pangs of dealing with reconciling logic with hypocrisy only learned through testing, experiences, and observation is often what one of the primary (and often only) motivators to take action.
@jejana
@jejana 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best descriptions I've come across so far. Especially the part about the blindspot Se. Most of the time, it really is a struggle to start executing the plans or ideas i have in mind, instead of them ruminating in my mind for days on end.
@coolcat2424
@coolcat2424 3 жыл бұрын
I relate to this so much, it's great to finally see it put into words! I've always been this way I think this might be part of the reason i enjoy photography, because it's like collecting little moments of memory and observation to keep which is how i view a lot of social situations. I go to places or events for the experience as a whole but never really feel part of it, it's more to just observe and try to understand more of the world. I think us INTPs are in some ways more engaged, just in a very different way to most people's definition of it. Great video :)
@fostxswire1600
@fostxswire1600 2 жыл бұрын
I resonate highly with this. One of my earliest memories was seeing the other children playing, running around mindlessly, blissfully, I thought why is this suddenly different for me? It is like I am looking through a window at the rest of the world. Is this life?
@9SMTM6
@9SMTM6 3 жыл бұрын
Well, of course it's often the aim to be detached. Though, we're still humans, so as you said, we're never gonna be close to as good at it as we wish we were. That said. This very thing - detached observation - also highlights a number of weaknesses of that approach, so I'm trying to, as you say it, get away from it sometimes. Trying to get the best of both worlds. Being detached isn't always a good motivator, and also isn't always productive, as it breeds a perfectionism that throws away a decent start when a better approach cristallizes. So now when I'm in these situations I'm trying to be more conscious in my choices and be more attached to the approaches I deem worthy, even if they turn out not to be the best, as long as they're good enough. That increases motivation. That way you're not only more productive but often see other issues that might also be present with a new iteration. It's still very much work in progress tho.
@Vilinakta
@Vilinakta 2 жыл бұрын
This seems like a really accurate description. I appreciate these videos so much! On the bright side, being a “detached observer” has allowed me to become highly resilient in life. On my darkest days, I become very withdrawn and use thinking as a form of escapism and procrastination.
@Martin_Neal
@Martin_Neal 3 жыл бұрын
I am an INTP; and, found the generalized description of offered in this video to be quite precise! One point wherein I had an objection was when it was implied that the 'world' was somehow being objectified. It is a profound point for this discussion; but, the 'objective' world is not more real than the (referenced) 'subjective' world for anyone, including INTP. It is simply that the INTP uses thoughts to frame and observe an internal 'reality' that is the 'world' to them. Anything outside that frame is intuitively sanctioned to the beyond-the-realm 'reality'. That latter realm is symbolized in the mind of INTP by figures and facts that are too abstract to be truly objective. Bias is impossible to remove; because, bias is the nature of meaning, which is a metaphorical house-of-cards. (INTP) Sir Issac Newton or (INTP) Albert Einstein developed a mathematical modelling system to explain metaphysics, unsuccessfully. Their theories have some validity; yet, fail to comprehend the incompressible nature of Nature. All such attempts to define 'objective reality' are doomed to failure; because, the 'external' is not ultimately separated from the 'internal'. The peculiar boundary between perception and conception is an arbitrary limit that happens to be drawn inside the mental/spiritual mind of INTP. Another thing about the video-commentary is the observation that INTP tend to be aloof and detached; but, frequently contribute high-level insight, criticism, advice, or design. I think this is due to an analytical approach to problems, honing-in on practical details when necessary to understand and transcend any situation. This characteristic can be useful as an engineer; and, helps explain why INTP is often called "The Architect".
@firewoodloki
@firewoodloki 3 жыл бұрын
You did a better self-introduction than myself. Weird. I do actually enjoy being detached. It calms my mind and keep things straight.
@sarahd7297
@sarahd7297 3 жыл бұрын
Your chair looks cozy
@cameronwells3502
@cameronwells3502 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on I'd say. It can be terribly frustrating being this way though, as we can't help but observe that very few other humans seem to use logic in their decisions. For me, that can be absolutely maddening.
@33Jenesis
@33Jenesis 3 жыл бұрын
My first instinct is to pull back whether in a crowd or facing one person. The sensation of detaching is always there even during the most intimate moment. I think in this aspect it creates the hardest obstacle in a romantic relationship; not being able to turn my head off at will.
@pomogrenade3515
@pomogrenade3515 3 жыл бұрын
My siblings thought I was rude or simply dumb that my mind used to wander off when they were talking to me or we were together. I cannot express how glad I am to have found out about these personalities to come to know that there are people like me and those who understand how I feel. I feel accepted here and very comfortable.
@karolczi8069
@karolczi8069 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I definitely resonate with this; to me, it’s always felt like I’m video recording my life with my eyes/brain. The focus of a person recording in the real world is either on the experience being recorded, or on the video recording process (ie “is the angle portraying what I want it to, is the lighting ideal, is there anything impacting the audio,” etc). In the same way, I’m either sitting in an experience, or I’m analyzing cause and effect and wondering where the emotion I can’t even name is coming from and what is the right way to react anyway, and how would I judge someone else reacting the way I am to this experience, is it logical, and what is the history behind this type of experience and what does it mean for humanity, etc (thus losing the emotion or the sense of experiencing every time lol). My default setting is analysis, whereas actually experiencing the experience is a conscious and heavily taxing effort. It’s freeing to see that this is a verified form of human nature, a “type” of person if you will, and it’s not just me 😂 Also, I am covered in bruises because I pace when I think and I lose sight of the physical world, so the “floating head” bit is painfully accurate. 😂
@Nat_alia
@Nat_alia 3 жыл бұрын
I've met my acquaintance yesterday after quite a long time and made a "stupid" joke (for me it was quite normal one) about my own death. She was being terrified. I came here to reassure myself that I'm just the warmest robot and not some weird person 🤷🤦
@Wolfickle
@Wolfickle 3 жыл бұрын
Now this is going to be another series, and i'm looking forward to it!
@aprilw2287
@aprilw2287 3 жыл бұрын
As an INFP I relate to being a detached observer. I feel like I'm just watching the world while the world is busy being the world.
@JM-qw7vg
@JM-qw7vg Жыл бұрын
YES. Exactly. "Detached observer" hits the nail on the head. We participate without being a joiner or a follower. We require an escape hatch. We prefer to continually slip in and out of the back door. The front door is too...visible. People stop you and chit chat. They ask, casually, where you're going, and that is not a casual question. I refer to our mental and psychological presence. But actually, it applies in the physical world, too. The way I have dealt with this need to stay tethered to my own reality, while interacting in the real world, is to push into Fe in order to smoothly navigate without alarming anyone. By watching heavy Fe users, I learned how normal people grease the wheels of social interactions. This seemed absurd to me at first. Certainly, people will burst out laughing when I use so much sugar to sweeten what I am saying? Certainly people will think I am being rude to answer what are probing and deep questions like, "How are you?" with such transparently superficial and thoughtless phrases? But no. It works like a charm. In short, I act. It's not lying, exactly. It's not lying at all. It's just that nobody else really has the time or energy to hear the real story. I've tried. Trust me on this. It is more kind, more polite, more normal, to just do what heavy Fe users do, but very briefly, breezily, on the way out the door, and in order to maintain a comfortable privacy rather than in order to connect, or whatever purpose Fe users have (God help them).
@cinthiagoch
@cinthiagoch 3 жыл бұрын
I've always had this feeling of being a detached observer, even when I was the "player" in the scene. I remember when I was young and had just started writing, something happened in my life that caused a lot of pain. I can't really remember the details right now, I think it was the first time someone relatively close to me died, but that was almost 2 decades ago. The thing is, when I was done crying after hearing the news, I remember distinctly thinking "So that's how loss and mourning feels. At least I can describe this more accurately in my writing now." It was a weird thought to have, especially because I was still feeling those things, but I found a practical use for that situation almost immediately. And I knew it was weird as I thought it, too, but it was true, so I couldn't feel bad or argue against my reaction. INTPs' brains are weird.
@rifter6176
@rifter6176 3 жыл бұрын
This hits the nail on the head sir. I am an INTP CEO who's had the great fortune of training and background to help shore up the inherent weaknesses of the type. This sums up my strengths and temperament in management quite a bit.
@lovewho
@lovewho 3 жыл бұрын
That's amazing! INTPs (when they've improved those natural difficulties) would be brilliant as leaders, it's great to see and example of that in practice. Thank you for your comment ~ Nathan
@kenzauter6626
@kenzauter6626 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, very detached observers, because, at least for some of us in America, the rest see us as “creepy” and “strange”.
@Martins_Musings
@Martins_Musings 3 жыл бұрын
Detached Observer.. yes. a thing. 1. Base assumption: I have not consumed enough data; so listen, quietly and prodigiously ?obsessively? consume .Why not participate in the convo? I may say something ignorant. 2. During data consumption, note incongruent concepts, but refrain until data input is complete 3. data consumption is satiated. Not much more to learn. New data is redundant or inconsequential. time passes but new data is not impacting the basic understanding and assumptions of the topic. 4. Glaring incongruence remains. It's time to challenge the experts. I may learn something new and nuanced... Golden . I may pull the string that unravels the whole thing . Glorious! . : "Dim Mak" the snake strikes from the darkness! The joy of INTP life! Who invited HIM?!!
@Namari12
@Namari12 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely relate to the feeling of being a detached observer, this video felt totally spot on. I try to engage in things and be a participant, but like you said, even when I'm in the thick of things--hell, even when I'm *in charge* of things--I still feel a little to the left, a bit outside, detached. I'm also very, *very* slow to act, even though it frustrates the hell out of me.
@iambenditaofficial
@iambenditaofficial 2 жыл бұрын
I went to school early. So i was always the youngest in my class. [was because i am homeschooled now] So i have always enjoyed being the detached observer. I described it as looking at life like it's on a TV screen. I analysed my classmates' personalities, tendencies and traits. I chose the ones which were good and told myself not to follow their bad examples as well. Hence very little peer pressure affected me and i was known for being able to easily say no. Which comes off as cold even towards my parents.
@sarahknutsen2317
@sarahknutsen2317 3 жыл бұрын
Ref. your question: I both enjoy and try to overcome being detached. That makes it difficult actually becoming attached. But the people closest to me I would say I am attached to. Maybe not in an active Fe way but it’s definitely there. I know every reason why I am friends with my friends and why I love the people I love, and I’m actually very “feely” about it.
@Ms.AnnThrope
@Ms.AnnThrope 3 жыл бұрын
Very accurate. I do this and it allows me to see all angles of a situation from different perspectives and helps me be completely objective.
@krocan5032
@krocan5032 Жыл бұрын
Just yesterday in my friend group, we were discussing how much stuff has happened between all of us, who went out with whom and so on. To which I've said that I didn't feel like I really was a part of any of that, I was really just a bystander watching others go through all of this stuff, while silently watching and thinking about it all, even going so far to analyze the relationships between the people and such. I do detach from a lot of things, trying to look at things objectively, assessing them as such. Helping others understand their own problems is something I've been doing for very long and my insight does come from this short distance between myself and outside happenings.
@RuthParodies
@RuthParodies 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think detachment is the way to see reality clearly. In some way I think it's dangerous. I often think, weirdly, xNTP's are a bit naive eventhough they are known to be the smartest types. Like some paradox. Sometimes you have to experience and interact to REALLY learn. I've dated 2/3 INTP's and am dating an ENTP right now. They just seem to be my type. I love them, but my annoyances arise when the think they know all of reality by just observing. They probaly are very aware of some parts of reality very clearly, but some parts they seem to be blind too. A healthy xNTP should be focused also on interacting with the world. Develop that low SE and FE - ENFJ (I can give an example of how interaction chances your perception: Imagine a person who's strongly against refugees entering their country. They've had enough of those people. They should go back to their own countries. This is our wealth, go fix your own country, that's their view. And then one day they wake up (magically) in a war zone in another country. They have to live like a refugee for one day. They have to try to get on a boat. Nothing makes sense. Living in constant anxiety and fear. They are hungry and don't even know how their loved ones are doing. And than the next day that same person wakes up again in their own bed. They now have experienced the hardship of refugees. They probably almost feel guilty now about their rants. They went and experienced. I know this is an extreme example and not relevant to how XNTP's are. Not at all. But just an example how only by experiencing you can know reality, fully.
@superioropinion7116
@superioropinion7116 3 жыл бұрын
For and INTP developing a good sense of Ne comes first and foremost. It's probably the hardest function to pin down because of its expansiveness, vagueness and mental energy consumption. Once you get your bearings straight and some solid ground with Ne then it is the time to develop Fe. Doing it otherwise will make you neurotic.Speaking from experience.
@Neuronpath
@Neuronpath 3 жыл бұрын
Oberservence is just how the observer is observing the INTP. We extract and absorb much more than we can express and often experience an experience far beyond the '3D' act of participation
@MK-gm2mq
@MK-gm2mq 3 жыл бұрын
For the refugee part... You have to be an ass hole to think like that... Intp's will never be ignorant about topics that happen to be that sensitive
@johnlopresti5682
@johnlopresti5682 3 жыл бұрын
@@Neuronpath Exactly... well put.
@RuthParodies
@RuthParodies 3 жыл бұрын
@@MK-gm2mq read my last part. Of course XNTP's aren't like that. Most XNTP's strive to be really good people. That's why I like em so much.
@nehemiah9190
@nehemiah9190 2 жыл бұрын
It feels really alienating when you realize that you are subconsciously trying to appraise and sometimes undermine people's actions and intent, your own actions and intent, and many other realms where you just feel completely out of place and shrink back into a corner to watch from a distance. Even in conversations (in smaller or larger groups), I am afraid that I will not be able to provide an insight into what the people are talking about, so I wait until I think of something, come up with something witty, only to realize the conversation move past that 5 min. ago.
@DrVein
@DrVein 3 жыл бұрын
For me, reality doesn't exist. However, "Attachment" slows things down. Sentiment and fear delay progress.
@TheHappyCoder
@TheHappyCoder 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely resonates. I like being a detached observer. Detachment in general is very important to me as it frees me from being consciously bound to circumstances. For example, I rather pay monthly than yearly even if I lose a discount because I want to be free in my spontaneous future self. It might be my 2nd INFP nature though.
@TheFirstManticore
@TheFirstManticore 2 жыл бұрын
This is a wonderful description of how I process information and how I use it. Stand back to see it clearly and without bias. Yes, I can more or less tell whether somebody knows their field, even when I don't know it, by observing how they describe and process it. I can also see their imperfections and, if I want to hire them for instance, decide whether this imperfection will keep them from doing the job the way I want it. My objectivity - for instance, lack of squeamishness - allows me to look at things more horrible than most people are willing to. But when once I have seen the horror, I am unwilling to regard it as ok. Somebody who is squeamish and unwilling to look at unpleasant things, may be willing to let them continue. So I do have a strong emotion which shows itself as commitment or conviction.
@samquasi3986
@samquasi3986 3 жыл бұрын
I personally fully agree with this. In seminars at school, although I talk a lot, the reason is because I want to get other's minds churning (which, of course, typically fails). But what's interesting to do is limit the number of times I participate; I spend more time connecting things other people say in an abstract and, if I say so myself, a brilliant way. I don't talk much in normal settings because I'm aware that nobody woud listen; even if they did, they wouldn't understand. Because contrary to popular belief, INTPs can enjoy social interaction; it just has to be with people that understand them.
@atropinecaffeine
@atropinecaffeine Жыл бұрын
Also I loved the explanation of evaluating the internal congruent of an argument. You don't have to be an expert in a field to hear inconsistency in an explanation
@WordPaint
@WordPaint 3 жыл бұрын
You are the kindest to, and most accurate analyst of, the ISTPs. Thank you.
@intphermit3947
@intphermit3947 3 жыл бұрын
When people tell me, “you’re creepy”, I always respond, “you won’t feel that way once you’re assimilated…”
@JackyVSO
@JackyVSO 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely relate to that. In debates, I'll often encounter the implicit accusation that I'm biased or talking in bad faith, and I don't know how to react except to laugh. I worry more about my own biases than anyone else does, because actually being right - not winning the debate with whoever it was - is always the goal. Saying something in bad faith is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Even if my interlocutor would fall for it, I wouldn't. I'd know I had said something that was just wrong, and I'd feel dirty and ashamed, which would weigh much heavier than the useless accomplishment of making some random person falsely believe I'm in the right.
@gert-jantenham672
@gert-jantenham672 3 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting and accurate way to describe INTPs. I think that you know INTPs really well. It is very relatable too and you clearly understand what you are talking about. On a side note: I believe that there is a high chance that you are an INTP yourself, but that is a different story.
@PupDeLaTart
@PupDeLaTart 2 жыл бұрын
SIMONE WEIL QUOTE!? My heart. Weil and Camus are by far my favorite philosophers along with weil being an absolute aesthetic I wish I could achieve.
@theDiReW0lf
@theDiReW0lf 9 ай бұрын
This is an extremely difficult mindset to achieve without losing your mind in the process. But if you can do it, it’s as if life just began.
@damoclesian
@damoclesian 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Thank you for the comment regarding the description of our advice being actionable.. it makes me more satisfied with my own inaction, vis a vis our ability to contribute.
@theordinary1059
@theordinary1059 3 жыл бұрын
This video described the state for which i live my life desperately trying to obtain. Ironically, I belive it is my *attachment* to needing to be detached that sometimes traps me. I do get these small moments from time to time, when I'm alone, unbothered by the past or future, in an interesting physical space and when I'm intruiged by a logical concept regarding perception or philosophy. It is when I'm in this state, the detached observer, that I feel like it's truly worth it to be alive. I feel like I'm living my life waiting, to enter this state. To detach from my own life, my ego, my worried thoughts. When I'm in the detached state of observing or discovering the fundamental mechanisms, rules and principles of life, it's then that I for once feel like I belong. It is then, that I feel like i am fufilling my true purpose. When I'm not, I feel like im in the human hamsterwheel of constant attachment to worry, pain, imperfection, other people and their problems, so many superficial and worthless thing clog up my reality that sometimes I wonder why I even bother going on. But it is these, small moments of enlightenment, it is then that I feel like a spelunker exploring the mysterious, complex, fascinating and beautiful caves that are at the limits of human perception and understanding. Thank you for letting me know that I'm not alone in this quest.
@TomiAdewoleAdetom
@TomiAdewoleAdetom 3 жыл бұрын
I often find myself actively expending energy to get out of the detached observer mode - usually triggered by noticing someone quizzically looking at me as I'm look at other things. This can lead to unfortunate (but totally understandable) assessments about me from others. One of my closest friends at university, an ENTJ, remarked that he thought I was a "friggin' elitist" when he first encountered me when one of my roommates brought friends over. We would eventually become so close that we'd take road trips to different states, take a completely unplanned 15 hour drive to pick up his father in New York when his flight touched down, never skip a very infrequent chance to grab dinner and talk about finance, physics, A.I., philosophy - you name it - when he happened to be on my side of the country for business (he's a high-flying financial strategist for a mutual fund). The only types that, to date, haven't found me strange at first glance have been a refreshingly-formidable ENTP and a wonderfully enigmatic INFJ.
@terben7339
@terben7339 3 жыл бұрын
As an INTP, I've listened to what you had to say and I'm thinking about it. I'll get back to you with my thoughts, eventually
@tytymckenzie565
@tytymckenzie565 2 жыл бұрын
The description as the whole silent observer being an aspiration resonates greatly.
@renemiche735
@renemiche735 3 жыл бұрын
Actually I admire so much extravert people, talking with so much fluidity and ease, and able to step on every words in a conversation. I am able to pretend it but not as perfectly and just for a few minutes/hours ;). They just are better at this, and I am better at connecting the dots and making nerdy stuff.
@bobyk87
@bobyk87 2 жыл бұрын
This makes sense. We need to see patterns, get familiar with the situation and the peoples involved. We check what are the possibilities to see if where and when we can fulfill a desired role or conttribute to something we like.
@d3xtr144
@d3xtr144 3 жыл бұрын
I have this love hate relationship with being a detached observer. There are times where i pride myself on being detached while choosing the logical course of action in decision making. But when it comes to emotion or social interaction, i become detached and distant instead of connecting and warm and it's something i've been trying to overcome.
@zzzzzz69
@zzzzzz69 3 жыл бұрын
even though "I'm living my life", I'm also "observing me living my life"... lol, slowly chipping away at my (and every other organism's) existential mysteries
@elmondo-s1e
@elmondo-s1e 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely tried to overcome it, until I understood it better. When I once tried to explain this to a therapist, they tried to tell me that this is called dissociation which was hilarious to me at the time because I have also experienced dissociation (anxiety issues growing up in an unstable environment will do that to a child) but I’ll tell you for free the two are not the same. Not even close.
@elmondo-s1e
@elmondo-s1e 3 жыл бұрын
I’d also say that I did not enjoy dissociating. I enjoy being an independent observer of life, though. Generally. It helps with my weird skill of being able to see everything from everyone’s perspective at all times. Comes in useful :) but sometimes I look at the people who are 100% totally in their play and it’s obvious the stage is all there is for them in that moment and I occasionally feel a little envious.
@LaynaRobin
@LaynaRobin 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for talking about action. I always feel out of place and kinda question about whether my cognitive functions align with the stereotypical INTP, since when I take at heart some problems, I go to the core to even ruin my day because I get so Involved I get angry at them (i.e. human rights, pollution, people who follow influencers who put misinformation out etc). I feel like i have to do something and I get angry because If something had been done correctly from the start, even I wouldnt have gone through mean and incorrect stuff. Thinking about others, actions and society sometimes means thinking about themselves, and that correct and good stuff you put out there returns correctly to you when maybe you start to forget it. And, this doesn't mean we aren't still pondering stuff even from the inside.
@SantiagoOchoa
@SantiagoOchoa 3 жыл бұрын
As an INTP, that description is very accurate and resonates with me. For example, I became an atheist because, to me, religions and any religious beliefs are anthropological and psychological subjects, and I feel detached from any belief system. I feel like an extraterrestrial who is watching and studying humans from space.
@dadasdvv
@dadasdvv Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the time and effort it takes to edit your seemingly flawless videos as an INTP.
@leeanders3931
@leeanders3931 2 жыл бұрын
With the famous Cube-In-A-Desert test, I never even considered myself part of the main things described in the desert until it had been implied with one of the questions.
@atropinecaffeine
@atropinecaffeine Жыл бұрын
This explains why I always felt like a ghost floating around in my own life. Not in a dreamy romantic fantastical way, but rather as a child it was the way I could describe being an observer. But it is not intentional so it felt inherent hence "ghost" and not "spectator"
@wyxiecarolina
@wyxiecarolina 3 жыл бұрын
I think... we can't hadle emotions, can't take them, can't express them... it actually sometimes turns into physical pain just trying to speak what's in one's heart and mind. Solution?... turn them off. How?... detach... just hand the reins over to Ti at a flick of a switch.
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