Introduction to ELECTRIC VANS episode 2/5 incl. Renault's Kangoo | 100% Independent, 100% Electric

[@fullychargedshow]

LIKE if you'd like to see more electric vans on the roads & SHARE if you think all commercial vehicles should be electric In this second instalment of our Introduction to Electric Vans series, Andy heads to the Brecon Beacons to find out how electric vans are being used by real people to carry out their day to day jobs. This Renault Kangoo ZE33 was added to the Brecon Beacons National Park vehicle fleet last year and is used both for educational outreach activities and ground maintenance of the 40 acre site. The Kangoo might be a small, simple, no-frills and functional electric van but it also offers flexibility for seating or extra storage options in the back. It's a perfect solution for small businesses, trades people and last mile deliveries and, with components from the popular Renault Zoe, seems to be a good safe option for going electric. More information about the Renault Kangoo - KANGOO - A Van Adapted to Your Needs - Renault UK Renault Range Calculator - KANGOO Z.E. 33 - Driving Range & Charging - Renault UK Episode 1 featured the Maxus E Deliver 3. Future episodes in January, include Vauxhall's Vivaro E, Mercedes Benz E-Vito and a return to see ARRIVAL's commercial vehicle. Drone footage courtesy of Kevin Booker Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to KZbin Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/fullychargedshow Become a KZbin member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ Visit: FullyCharged.Show Find us on Twitter: twitter.com/fullychargedshw Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow Timestamps: 0:00 Electric vans for real people 0:57 Renault Kangoo ZE33 1:38 Multi-purpose van 2:03 Check the specs 2:30 Zoe stamp of approval 2:55 Range information 4:09 Heat up your seats 4:42 Eco driving 5:16 Renault's range calculator 6:51 Smooth drive 7:10 What weight can they take? 7:39 Two-seater, five-seater, two-seater 8:15 Walk around 8:59 Charging 9:26 Right range for right purpose 10:12 No rapid charging 11:17 Vehicle-to-Grid 12:33 Power handbrake 12:57 Fully functional 13:55 Costs & savings 16:33 Simple but safe bet 16:54 Coming up next 17:15 Subscribe, sponsor, join

[@Musketeer009]

Nice that you spoke to someone who is actualy using an electric van on a day-to-day basis.

[@anydaynow01]

Yeah, nice to see how payload and temperature affects the vans range also.

[@1001ewaste]

It would be nice to see more from small businesses etc rather than a self described "Environmental Organisation" Public Body.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

7kW charging seems a bit stingy, especially as many work locations will have 3-phase available for 11 or 22kW

[@streetwind.]

Yeah, and Renault is the company that went all-in with AC charging. Some Zoe variants got up to 44 kW AC charging, the Twingo Z.E. with a battery that's a third smaller than the one in this van can accept up to 22 kW and intentionally skips on DC charging capability because it's just not needed at that point, and so on and so forth. Why does this van have such a poor charger then? Puzzling. I definitely expected at least basic three-phase.

[@rogerlafrance6355]

Van are driven by Employees of many different Enterprises, in many trades, in many different locations (important). Its up to management to choose the right one for the job keeping in mind that the Employee has the right to an 8 hour work day with an hour for lunch whilst the van recharges if need be. I think the rear seating is very clever in the spirit of the 2CV van taking the family to church or holiday on Sunday! To make Teslar or any other hi performance luxury electric a benchmark is foolish. When the registries catch up with them they will be taxed! But such owners don't care and often pay more for their man to drive them to London.

[@DavidKnowles0]

@@streetwind. The vehicle was release in 2012 so my guess would be that much of the underlining drive train technology is dates to around that time, when rapid charging and 50kw css charging was just distant dream for many users. The manufactures simply didn't care, they wanted to keep making combustion engines. I would be shock if the third gen coming out this year didn't have rapid charging.

[@streetwind.]

@@DavidKnowles0 The vehicle being reviewed here is one with the 33 kWh battery, which means it's the refresh model from 2017 onwards. The original Kangoo Z.E. from 2012 had a smaller battery and a different powertrain/motor. But even if it was the one from 2012: that's still no excuse. Because the Renault Zoe that released in the same year (2012) and had the same size battery (23 kW) had an internal charger that could handle up to 3-phase 44 kW AC. Renault had the technology back then already. The only reason not to include it in the van is because they chose not to, and they didn't choose to change anything in the 2017 refresh either. It is a clear weakness of the vehicle that was avoidable from the start - and that makes it disappointing. As mentioned, 11 kW three-phase AC would have beem easily enough, and sockets for it widely available at commercial sites.

[@jorakarandas6592]

@mikeselectricstuff The Renault Kangoo ZE can be modified to 3 phase charging. In Ukraine this is a popular aftermarket upgrade.

[@scunnerdarkly4929]

Proof, if it was needed, that EVs don’t need swathes of touchscreens or other superfluous technology to be functional driver-oriented machines. EVs are, as we know, mechanically simpler than internal combustion powered vehicles and it’s nice to see this simplicity extended to the interior. Can’t wait for an EV variant of the Ariel Atom, no doubt Ariel will be able to push their minimalist formula even further than before - and this van shows it can be done without becoming yet another mobile iPad.

[@snowstrobe]

Totally agree. It seems that the Bollinger has the same design ethos, however, they will be in the 'ludicrous' price range...

[@ElectraFlarefire]

Glad I'm not the only one who really wants to see what Ariel do with an EV platform.. I do hope they make something utterly mad.

[@jur4x]

Exactly. But it looks like everyone else is trying to compensate simpler powertrain with more gadgets. And here is the problem - electronics do fail. Especially in car, especially on bumpy roads

[@cekpi7]

World needs more cheaper, "budget" EVs that don't have all bells and whistles. I personally wouldn't care if it had crappy stereo and no tablet.

[@snowstrobe]

@@cekpi7 The gadgets don't add much cost, in fact, that's why they do it to give the appearance of more value, the cost is in the battery. Solve that issue and and the deal is done.

[@MrAdopado]

A fine example of presenter missing the point when the heat pump advantage was being described. Hint: it's nothing to do with heating the vehicle whilst connected to power ... you can do that with a standard resistive heater. The real advantage is when running purely on battery because it uses a fair bit less power so effectively increases your range.

[@davidlazarus67]

Yes heat pumps move heat rather than generate it. So much more efficient.

[@stephanweinberger]

Yes, that bothered me tee. As a presenter in an EV-programme, you should at least have a basic understanding of the technology. Especially when it's actually a very simple concept; every fridge is a heat-pump as well: it 'pumps' heat from one location (in this case the inside of the fridge) to another (the environment, that's why a fridge gets warm at the back). Moving existing heat around takes less energy than actually creating heat (e.g. with a resistive heater), hence heat pumps are more energy efficient.

[@charlestoast4051]

@@stephanweinberger It was a bit of a gaffe, for sure, but overall, he's a better presenter than most.

[@kevfquinn]

Great to see a focus on a practical use case.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Although people might think this is boring. But these vans are more important than any car on here.

[@johnbray3143]

Real world experience fascinating, much better than conventional car review format.

[@coniow]

THANK YOU ! THIS is the kind of USEFUL report that 'Top Gear' stopped doing.

[@philtucker1224]

I particularly appreciated the knowledge that the National Park guy had gained since they began to realise their renewable vision. Well done fully charged. 😊🇬🇧👍

[@chakky533]

Fully charged videos, optimistic yet balanced, sensible but not boring. good shit guys

[@robenglish416]

Hope that Renault France is watching this! Live your accent Andy! We seriously looked in to one of these but since it have to serve the purpose of family car and work car we thought the range was limiting. Will wait for the new Kangoo electric version, should be out soon! Had to settle with a small EV and a humongous PHEV.

[@gianfavero]

I like this présenter. Knows his stuff doesn't talk too much

[@stephanweinberger]

except for the heatpump bit...

[@snowstrobe]

Of all the 'legacy' makers, I think Renault/Nissan are nailing it best, certainly making what seems like a genuine effort... I hope it pays off for them.

[@bar04z]

I've not been back to Aberdeen in a couple of years, and the way Andy pronounces 'van' is making me so homesick.

[@davidlazarus67]

It would be great to see these available for van hire. Any electric van really.

[@cannygrowabeard]

Love that the Fully Charged Kona camera car lurking in the trees 😆

[@fullychargedshow]

Yeah it’s always in the shots somewhere... like an EV Easter egg 🥚

[@toronado455]

I like the design of those sliding door windows, and the doors as well.

[@jonblacklock1052]

Idea for an episode or two as part of this series. Electric camper vans & seek out the best option for converting.

[@stewreviews9345]

Up-vote for this one. Let's see what the new ev boxer is like eh..

[@kurtpalmer3674]

Love the application driven choice and practical use here keep up the great videos 👍

[@kinross24]

Andy, you’ll need to brush up on what an EV heat pump is and how it works and why it’s more efficient than other EV heaters.

[@weetikissa]

The editor and the producer should be smart enough to edit that out too.

[@charlestoast4051]

@@weetikissa But then again maybe it's refreshing that the y didn't. I'm sure Andy is embarrassed about it, but he will pick up more EV knowledge as he goes. I prefer his videos to those of a lot of the other guys/gals.

[@macethe20vtace]

I have the same 33kw electric Kangoo I use for work. My main bug is the interior. The layout and controls are horrendous! If they sort that and CCS charging, it would be a great van. Other than that it's still a good van for short to medium journeys.

[@marks-0-0]

Same here. We have them on our fleet and i really like driving them but they have a long way to go yet. What annoys me is that the technology goes into the cars like the Zoe first leaving the vans a few years behind. I'd like to buy the 5 seater version for my personal use but I wouldn't dream of it until they are a better value package.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

I was offered a demonstrator Zoe 3 years ago and I would have gone for it.. except the Renault dealership had only ordered it with the 7 KWh charging. They were so out of touch they simply could not understand the need for rapid charging when a short range vehicle is used as a Taxi.

[@MrGonzonator]

By the time you've specified this with the heat pumps, and the additional seats etc, you're not far off the price of a base Cybertruck, a rustproof, scratchproof, 6 seater, high tech, fast charging, off roading vehicle. When/if that ever comes to the UK it could revolutionise this sector.

[@joaopmf]

This one exists tho.

[@MrGonzonator]

@@joaopmf true. You're looking at end of 2021 earliest for US market, maybe a couple more years before they bother with the "Wolverine" version for Europe. Still it's soon enough to make you question investing in a new 3 or 4 year lease at the moment.

[@GreenJimll]

It'll only be useful in the UK if its sized for UK roads and parking spaces. From what I've seen of it online, it looks like another US land yacht.

[@andymccabe6712]

@@GreenJimll ..... and, of course, you have to remember that it looks COMPLETELY ridiculous!! ...like some discarded prop from a 1950s b movie set on the moon......!!!

[@MrGonzonator]

@@GreenJimll is it really that much bigger than the Ford Rangers and Mitzubishi L200s that I see everywhere here in the UK? Surely the European version will be closer to that sort of size?

[@ziyaa2018]

Which episode, if any, will you be reviewing the Vivaro-e/e-Dispatch/e-Expert??

[@martinstephens7427]

Absolutely excellent review , really informative and interesting 👍

[@leifhietala8074]

The Kangoo strikes me as the perfect Uber privateer vehicle. Move people: no problem, luggage included. Contract for a day or so doing Amazon last-mile parcel delivery: no problem. It seems like a good all-rounder for the urban and exurban short hops driver.

[@showme360]

Being a Postie who uses an EV to get to from and from work, it is frustrating to have to jump into a Deisel Van to do 10 miles each day. Royal mail, in my view as an employee of 17 years, has been slow on the up take. I save just over a £1,000 a year on fuel costs alone, more if you include servicing. This Van would suit me just fine on my job only needing to charge once a week. Plus it could be used for training new staff, as our office has a fast turn over of staff, being a Postie is not for the faint harted. PS You need to put an over statement on this video, regarding charging on a 3 pin plug, or granny charger as pointed out below you got it wrong!!

[@Hepsewind]

This would also be quite an upgrade for the Belgian post office as we allready use the diesel Kangoo. Tho the would first need to fix the issue that some offices like mine dont have parking spaces to put the charger. We just park on the street

[@jeremydraper9339]

6.20 - 'How little the payload affects range' - It's simply the conservation of energy. It may be a heavier load, but the energy used to get it moving is recovered when you slow down in regeneration (less losses). Likewise, hills & mountains are not an issue for the same reason - you get the energy back, unlike an ICE. An EV with regen is ideal for mountainous areas, as a colleague from Switzerland can attest to.

[@simonalexandercritchley439]

Could be a proposition with fast charge upgrade,good, simple and practical.But a face only a mother could love.

[@walwerk]

Looking forward to seeing you test the new renault kangoo e-tech 2022!

[@gigabyte2248]

I think it's worth putting into context: this is a fleet vehicle tied to a specific site. It doesn't have rapid charging but, for this application, it doesn't need it. It'll never do more than 100 miles in a day and it can always charge overnight. For, say, a tradesperson, the lack of rapid charging might be a deal-breaker, as there might be jobs that the van couldn't drive to and back in a day, but for this application and many others where they need a fleet vehicle to serve specific locations, it's not a deal-breaker. In my eyes, this van is based on hardware from the first-gen Zoe. Many of those didn't accept a rapid charge and were limited to ~100 miles range by smaller battery packs. At one level, it's a shame that the more sophisticated technology - bigger batteries, rapid charging, app integration etc. - isn't going into the vans but, as has been said several times, more stuff isn't better and a van needs to fit the job it's needed for. Older tech will be cheaper and more reliable and a lot of vans (particularly fleet vehicles) don't need >100 miles range or the ability to accept a rapid charge. It'll be interesting to see what the next generation electric Kangoo looks like - whether Renault add 3-phase charging, CCS rapid charging or maybe even V2G. Or whether they stick to their guns, keep the kit simple and lower the price.

[@ricardo-iw9sq]

Sorry but there should be a minimum of 250 range I know some of you will say the average daily drive isn't that but I can either put 50 miles or 300 miles in fuel and for them not to have rapid charging is stupid, and I'm sure the prices he said don't include vat as its commercial. I'm hanging out for a decent pickup with range and load with good towing, I will be glad to get an ev mainly for the simplitc running.

[@RoadRashSpirit]

Totally agree, I'm all for Ev's and many vans dont need a massive range which is fair. But when the chips are down there are still lots of vans running up and down the motorways everyday of all shapes and sizes. I completeley disagree with the ethos in the first two episodes in this series that electric vans dont need a lot of range. I'd have already bought a Kangoo maxi if it had a 250 mile real world range + rapid charger and I think fully charged should be pushing the industry to up there game rather than for us to lower our expectations. The zoe has a 60Kw battery now and there is no reason the kangoo shouldnt. All the electric gizmos in EV's are pointless for the average user...at least renault got that right.

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

I don't know why more E Vans coming to market don't have range extenders. They could really help reduce range worries.

[@MrGonzonator]

Defeats the purpose.

[@grahamjohnson4702]

Because they are mostly used for last mile deliveries.

[@francesconicoletti2547]

It’s already more expensive then a combustion car. Now you’re adding a petrol engine.

[@SundayRacers]

I worked for Meals on Wheels in a London borough back in the mid-2000s and we used to run Citroen Berlingo Electrique vans. I think their range on a full charge was 9 miles

[@ideoformsun5806]

I'm interested in this as someone who transports disabled persons using wheelchairs.

[@petergrm8420]

Used the electric kangoo at work for a couple of years. It's a cheap plastic rattly boring piece of shit. But I liked it despite that, because of the electric drive that makes it just snappy enough for city use that you don't constantly think about suicide while driving it. It's inexpensive enough for companies to consider buying it and that's its only redeeming feature.

[@andymccabe6712]

'Suicide'....??? It's a white VAN ffs........! A white box on wheels which you throw stuff in the back of....

[@charlestoast4051]

Yes, the only redeeming feature, along with the longer life of brake pads, motor and transmission, and overall greater reliability than any ICE vehicle. Lifetime cost for a van is more significant that initial cost, altho I look forward to the day EV's, including vans, are cheaper than their ICE equivalents. With battery prices as they are from the likes of CATL, I believe there is no reason EV's should be more expensive. You only need to look at EV prices in China to see that. That 33KWh battery pack should be costing Renault no more than $5000 at the most, and as little as $3500.

[@Mobile_Dom]

in wondering whats behind the old fuel filler cap on the side, whether its just a patched up hole or if it has a purpose

[@DarkDutch007]

probably where you fill it with fuel if you went for the paraffin heater version of the car? (where he talks about the 3 different versions: 3:22 - 3:44 ) and the bodyshell is the same as the ICE version.

[@G-Cam1]

On mine it is a 13 litre diesel tank for the factory fitted aux diesel heater👍👍

[@toronado455]

14:25 the shorty is super cute!

[@johnnyrosenberg9522]

About the load versus range thing, I noticed the same with my electric moped. If I ride alone or bring a passenger, I hardly notice any range difference at all. Maybe one km or so.

[@bellshooter]

Great chat with a real world user, seems a shame there isn't an 11/22 kW charging option each of which would be useful and not very costly.

[@flossemd]

Andy doesnt know what the heatpump is for, in an other episode he didnt know that Amphour on a ev-battery has no information. Dont you give your hosts basic-ev courses?

[@MrTytalus]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. The poor interviewee tried to correct Andy, but he still got it wrong. Now I'm not expecting Andy to be an expert of everything, but he really does need to know about these things before telling others. Andy, for your education and everyone else who isn't an eco-nerd like myself, (not every is or should be): a heat pump is a more efficient way of heating a vehicle by using the heat in the ambient air outside the car. It's the same idea as a fridge and freezer, and up to 400% as efficient as a resistive heater, so saving on the battery range.

[@tonyrabone4668]

Good down to earth review

[@kenleach2516]

Great van information

[@mcroft1234]

As tradesman the Nissan Env200 is amazing too. (With rapid charging!).

[@mcroft1234]

I’ve had mine (40 kWh) for 2 years, current range 120 - 130 miles (0-5c).

[@connclissmann6514]

This Renault is a van designed on an ICE chassis. We need a jump to vans designed from the platform up to be electric - say a van version of the ID.3 or the Leaf ( latter more likely for Renault).

[@jolive3743]

Arrival

[@user-fr8tq8ql6s]

We have a farm and we often deliver our products to the supermarkets and small stores around our farm (max. 100km/tour) Also - we sometimes need to pull a trailer with 2t in it. Until now, I don’t know a van that can pull that kind of trailer. At the moment we are pulling the trailer with a VW Passat, I’d really love the Kangoo for its size and multi functional usage. But it can only pull bikes on the back 🤦🏻‍♂️ and the combustion engine kangoo can do the same as the VW Passat... If there was a car that could do it all in electric I‘d be down for it !! Still waiting patiently!! ☹️

[@RIDTEKcoukPestControl]

G’day mate, a question l need answering on all these vans is “how can l listen to the Fully Charged podcast in this van?” This is a must have. I will be transitioning to an E van in about 18months in Basingstoke.

[@CabrilloTV]

Thank you.

[@RWBHere]

Thanks.🙂

[@jonathankeenan5163]

Really enjoying the Van series but do feel you could afford to be more critical. The convertible crew cab will interest many people until they find out about the Kangoo's real Achilles heal; charging.This is a very basic spec for the money, especially when it only has 7kW charging, which removes a great deal of flexibility and making longer journeys impractical. Even if a longer journey is only 0.5% of your vehicle requirement this makes the Kangoo a poor choice and puts range anxiety back on the agenda.

[@bryceonyoutube]

I think one of the major benefits which I see overlooked and never discussed in E Van reviews is that people like myself who have Autism and have only an Automatic licence will in the future be able to work for tradespeople and also big name companies with my automatic licence which will meet employers Equality Act 2010 obligations and responsibilities for reasonable adjustments and inclusion which is excellent! However you might be thinking an petrol/diesel automatic van would cover that, which it does however with E Van we will see van manufactures likes this one demonstrated above bringing technologies such as autonomous driving which is found in Tesla's for example and mean that someone with learning disabilities who may find driving challenging vs a neurotypical this will unlock a hidden set of benefits for people who currently are unable to have a drivers licence and contribute to society fully as it stands right now. So what this will mean if you have a learning disability and want to work for say British Gas, Openreach or a Sparky or even a Plumber the employer will be able to comfortably give you the keys to your own van safe in the knowledge that it will be able to drive itself or heavily or partially assisted depending on how your disability effects you to your job safely and will also mean UK Government, DVLA and Drivers Medical Group will have confidence to allow more disabled people to earn a drivers licence and like I mentioned earlier contribute fully to society. So this is bloody amazing and provides me with hope and a light at the end of the tunnel that I can finally work with the likes of Openreach who only allow you join as field engineer with a manual driving licence as I can see the UK Government in the future banning the use of manual gas guzzling vans! So its win for the environment and win for inclusion!!!

[@DerrenWeekes]

Good and informative ... but is it just me, or is the audio quite low / muffled on this episode?

[@jayubhanushali]

We need season 2 of Viki (hope thats correct) goes elecrtric

[@barriedear5990]

You had me at "bigger range is not always better"

[@waynethefridgemanosborne8984]

Hi . Take a look at the ldv t60 electric pickup if you get a chance

[@simonyapp]

Lack of Rapid charging eliminates this Van for a lot of users. Can you pay for CCS rapid charger option when ordered?

[@anahatamelodeon]

It would be nice as an option, but it makes sense to keep the price down. Unlike cars, it is very common, as in this example, for vans to have a very limited and specific working life that simply doesn't need long range.

[@kaduoliveira5819]

Congratulations

[@eduardeduard8786]

Неплохой автомобиль Рено Кангу , очень надеюсь что электрокар Рено Кангу, будет работать гораздо лучше бензиновой версии , бензиновая версия очень сильно сбавляла скорость в жаркую погоду , включая кондиционер

[@gnomad42]

LOL, Renault UK web site to check the Kangoo driving range, temp only goes up to 25C. No driving range app on Aust site, as our temps today were 35C during the day & went down to 25 over night. .

[@alanrogers7090]

When showing the Renault Kangoo, the charge-point in the nose was shown, but as he moved around to the rear door, he passed another little door. Was that where you would have put fuel in a regular version, or was that a second charge-point?

[@Hepsewind]

They just use the same body panels as the ICE version so there is nothing there

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

Waiting for the passenger version....

[@G-Cam1]

It's available already as a crew cab?

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

@@G-Cam1 yeah, but apparently there a load of van-based small mpvs coming out this year. I currently drive a C4 grand picasso and I'm looking for something a little smaller but with the same flexibility.

[@logicalChimp]

So, gotta ask, what's behind the fuel filler-flap at the rear? (visible during the 'walk-around' segment ~8:25)

[@leifhietala8074]

Vestigial leftover from previous, ICE iterations of the same vehicle. Think of it as a vehicular appendix.

[@mikeamor619]

I believe there is nothing behind it. The body shell is exactly the same as a ICE Kangoo, and that includes the filler cover.

[@DarkDutch007]

probably where you fill it with fuel if you went for the paraffin heater version of the car (where he talks about the 3 different versions: 3:22 - 3:44 )

[@logicalChimp]

@@DarkDutch007 Ahh - good point.

[@G-Cam1]

It's a 13 litre diesel tank for the auxiliary heater in my one.. factory fitted option. It's like an Eberspacher. I run mine on red diesel as it's not for propulsion it's legal in the UK👍👍

[@MrTubeuser12]

10:20 loved the "pint of beer" reference, mode me laugh LOL, I have the same problem sometimes, after a few LOL

[@Mireaze]

When you gonna get the renault twizzy van on the show?

[@joenavarro2973]

Perfect if it had the option for a 72 kw battery and fast charging. For people who wanted this and those who didn't. Love the simplicity of this van otherwise

[@weissmannrob]

Thanks for the vid. Typical French car, missing the last mile (charging limitation)

[@Wookey.]

The Citroen Berlingo/Peugeot Partner has fast charging (Chademo). Also French, also a small van. And the larger Renault Master has DC quick charging too. The Kangoo is just old - it came out in 2011, just after the Leaf, although this 33kWh version was 2017 so not having a DC charging option was a bit of an omission by then.

[@MrArnauda]

@@Wookey. The new generation of the Peugeot Rifter and Peugeot Berlingo (and Opel/Vauxhaull Combo) are available soon with the same battery and charging as the e-208 with CCS, 50kWh battery and 50kW charging. Similarly, the new Renault Kangoo is also expected this year with up to date technology.

[@paulw575]

If you charge at the front, then I'm guessing these are produced on a similar production line as the diesel version, as there's a small panel that looks like it would have the diesel filler cap behind it (see panel at 8:34 above the wheel arch). Unless that's used for something else?

[@G-Cam1]

It is for the auxiliary diesel heater.

[@Hepsewind]

both the outside and inside are the same on the diesel version. Those even have that eco button

[@ewanfuller5742]

I'd so buy this for my business if it had a rapid charger . Goodness, why didn't Renault put one in it when they were making it .

[@romteb]

Completely new kangoo line up for 2021 (and other vans models too), this one technology is very old in EV terms

[@stephenwensley9328]

It sounds like Rivian would be an ideal fit for the national park’s use case, rapid charging, vehicle to vehicle charging, passenger seating for five and cargo capacity along the lines of that van together with a couple hundred miles of range.

[@mickwilson127]

And a £100k price tag for a cash strapped quango

[@stephenwensley9328]

@@mickwilson127 more likely a lease cost of about 650 a month

[@pesomasagravedad]

Don't understand having the chargers on the front of vans... they can be a nightmare to get out of pull in spaces with no rear windows

[@pietkaify]

Some days I'll do 10 miles. Some days I'll do 250 miles. As a contractor I cannot loose an hour to charge. I'll take an electric van and keep my deisel as a back up. But then again I cannot afford a 2nd hand electric. So therefore the government grant should allow contractors to have a discount applied to 2nd hand electric vans. Plus I'd need 3 days range to account for no office and no off road parking. Could be days before I could park at a point in the road where I could Install a 7kw charger could reach. I have approached medway council for help and solutions about reaching house to curbside from my house on double yellows with use of an opentable grate. The single roadside lamppost and making an EV only parking spot but they are silent.

[@Wookey.]

10:47 Andy gets his mental arithmetic wrong. A totally empty 33kWh battery will take 11 hours to charge from a 3kW (13A) domestic plug. A bit longer if the charger/socket is restricted to 2.4kW, but not "17-20 hours". And then tell us it won't charge overnight, when the guy already told you: they just plug it in to a boring 3kW plug and it fully charges overnight. Come on chaps/chapesses - don't keep stuff that's just wrong in the edit. Heh and Kevin knows about CANBUS but still doesn't know the difference between kW and kWh (or at least not when on telly) 11:25. Every other video some numpty gets this wrong. Familiarity doesn't seem to be helping.

[@protectiongeek]

I thought the 17-20 hours was a bit long but it isn't as simple as 33/3=11 either. Charging isn't linear from 0-ish% to 100%, particularly over the 80-100% part of charging, so more than 11 hours.

[@matthewbaynham6286]

Without rapid charging forget it. There is no way I would ever buy any vehicle without rapid charging.

[@weetikissa]

Distances are quite short in most parts of Europe so there will be buyers.

[@delboy7039]

When the local florist/butcher/baker/candlestick maker does 50 miles a day, this is a great option..!

[@G-Cam1]

I own one and the range and rate of charge suit ME perfectly. More Battery capacity means more expensive purchase price..

[@matthewbaynham6286]

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart the Leaf and the Zoe are both approximately 10 years old and both have done loads of fast charging, so there are plenty of cars that have been fast charging for a long time. If you have passively cooled batteries like the Leaf then after 8-10 years it's not so good and you might want a replacement. But then the van in this video has batteries which have proper battery management stuff going on like the Zoe and then you've got no problems.

[@TheRocky3211]

what was under the fuel filler cover ?

[@nacnud2323]

I find this desperately disappointing. I really want to replace my VW T4 Campervan with an EV but it need to have way more range and fast charging. Really hoping that there is something in the next episode.

[@jolive3743]

EV sales jumped from 1.5% to 6.5% last year, things are gonna get very quiet, very soon

[@Trancefreakeh]

Informative as always but I do have a gripe: I'm not sure what it is, the presenters bassy voice, his dialect which sounds a but muffled to me or imbalanced audio: I have to turn up the volume up to & 50% than my normal listening volume in order to clearly understand him and, by the, all the other audio cues and transitional music tear my eardrums apart. Could we look into this? Thank you.

[@G-Cam1]

Fit like?

[@Trancefreakeh]

@@G-Cam1 Sorry? :)

[@jb21749]

Near the end, why was the van driving on the right?

[@GreenJimll]

I'm guessing "B roll" stock footage, possibly supplied by Renault? Lots of the cutaways were of a grey right hand drive version with what looked like French plates.

[@grahamjohnson4702]

Using stock footage due to limited outside filming due to covid. Why do people have to be so picky about these videos as it is about the Kangoo range not a test report as in a car/van review.

[@ronaldusher39]

I would have thought the nissan e-nv 200 would have been better as it is also v2g ready! And it has 50kw fast charge

[@G-Cam1]

For me the Renault was just fine. Around £5k cheaper. And for me a better proposition.. Having driven both I bought the Kangoo. The Nissan is good too... But I personally prefer the Renault...

[@williamarmstrong7199]

That charging is a killer :( Should you forget or have an error with your charger, rapid charging is essential for most users. Not a problem where they have multiple vehicles.. not many are that lucky.

[@Naultarous]

Rivian is a luxury product. I don't see how they have an effect on work vans. If you can afford to "work" your Rivian, you are not the mass audience that needs to be swayed to EV.

[@Wookey.]

Some vans are used the way Rivian is deisgned to be used: drive to the middle of nowhere to do a job - maybe stay there a few days. It's perfect as a camper base for example. Every commercial van so far is not much cop in this application. The 75kWh eVivaro is the cosest so far (200 miles on a good day). The eVito would be OK, but the bastards aren't selling it with the big (98kWh, 250mile+) battery they put in the EQV. But yes, this is not the van mass-market, which is why it's not being addressed yet. On the other hand there are plenty of subbies who do long distances too and aren't going to be at all impressed by current offerings. Maybe in a e-world there would be a bit less driving 200 miles to do a job and people will make a bit more effort to do local jobs/find local suppliers (My renderer this October was drving to Cambridge from Chesterfield to do a job, even though I booked the job from a guy who lives in Cambridge, but he subbed it (due to covid delays to be fair). It did seem ridiculous (and deeply un-green) two of them driving ~5 hours to do a 4 hour job).

[@shroomyesc]

Isn't there a new Kangoo coming just shortly?

[@G-Cam1]

No... They are stopping all ice versions though!

[@ColinRichardson]

10:53 Plug it into a 13amp plug, lets called it 3kW... to charge a 33kWh battery from completely empty, surely it would take 11 hours?

[@pt6423]

Your right but if you really want to be picky a 13amp domestic socket with portable charger only delivers 2.5Kw which calculates to almost 13 hours.

[@nettlesoup]

For continuous loads running off standard mains sockets, I understand electricians use the 80% rule. (I'm not an electrician though!) I understand all car granny charges operate according to this rule. It's different for dedicated charging equipment of course. So 13A × 240V × 0.8 = 2.5 kW 33 kWh ÷ 2.5 kW = 13.2 hrs assuming 100% efficiency. With 90% efficiency due to losses, 15+ hrs is sounding about right. For further safety, I believe some err on the side of caution and draw less, around 2.3 kW, presumably because you can't always rely on the quality of house wiring. Better a slightly slower charge than a slightly burning house wall!

[@ColinRichardson]

I've done a quick read on Google. Seems to depend on what cable you use. If you buy a 10amp cable, you get 10 amps. If you use 13amp you get 13 amp. Your house wiring will be standard Ring using a 32 amp fuse to protect the house. The fuse in the plug is to only protect the cable between the socket and the device. (And the device itself). Since we know the device (car) can handle 7kW, (type2) I think we can assume it can easily handle the 3kW

[@Wookey.]

@@pt6423 You can get a programmable one which will let you adjust the controlled current so you can leave it on 10A if you are not sure about the wiring quality, or turn it up to 13A if you know it can take it overnight.

[@ColinRichardson]

@@Wookey. if you were that unsure about the house wiring (worried 13 amps is too much for a ring that should take 32), I would recommend unplugging your toaster and vacuum right now and immediately call an electrician for a full house rewire as the cabling will be SOO old the insulation is prob turning to dust this very second .

[@CorwynGC]

If only it had some reasonable fast charging, it would be the answer to all those clamoring for a cheap EV, but who need an SUVs worth of cargo space.

[@ericvet8b]

Good video! And great to see being used and national parks using them... but correct charging time (NT guy said it right) please, as 3 pin plug (around 3kw), will not take 18-20h for a 33kwh battery (that’ll be ~60kwh!!). More like 8-10h (if very empty)

[@minniesaab7255]

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[@cathal9987]

Great for a park not great for business no maps can charge quickly ,small payload.

[@frankstocker5475]

There is so much room in the back you could install plenty of batteries.

[@delboy7039]

When the local florist/butcher/baker/candlestick maker does 50 miles a day, this is a great option..!

[@julesl5850]

"So much room in the back" that I carry around a 33kWh battery to supplement the 22kWh battery that's already fitted underneath.

[@delboy7039]

@@julesl5850 Sarcasm.? You could power a whole house with that much power....!

[@julesl5850]

@@delboy7039 Yes, you can power a whole house, or power a van to go twice the distance it used to go...?

[@toronado455]

"embarrassingly small nubbins" turn signal lever 😂

[@maelectricalcontractor3283]

As a business owner and tradesman the range is terrible. What where they thinking? Minimum needed when working in different cities is 300 actual miles with 50-70% payload

[@phizicks]

low volume.. had to turn it up compared to other videos

[@CanadianClassicCarNut]

Zero van's like this available in Canada. Sad.

[@anthonyschofield6438]

The likes of chemists should use them for home delivery’s small but big enough for small bags of tablets etc

[@snowstrobe]

That seems a weirdly specific use to focus on, but ok...

[@anthonyschofield6438]

Week it’s ironic that chemists use diesel vans to deliver medicine too ILL people that’s why I think such a simple fix

[@alanjenkinson7812]

I think that not having CCS is a bit old hat. I was very interested in the Zoe van but Renault were totally clueless and useless, so they lost a sale.

[@stephanweinberger]

With a 30kWh battery CCS doesn't really make sense, charging at >1C will just fry the battery. A 3-phase AC charger would be a much better investment; 22kW or even just 11kW instead of 7 would be a huge improvement; and 3-phase plugs are already available in most businesses.

[@skizzik121]

Im waiting on my pair of Mach-E to get thier battery heaters installed since I knew Ford was full of shit about not needing them then I saw the cold weather testing. They should get closeish to the wife and daughters model 3's. Im essentially a beta tester for a company making stuff for the Mach-E. Im ok with it since I got them early and the company is paying my car note plus a bit extra on top 🤠

[@pebre79]

100 miles in the winter? Yikes. I know its early version so it will get better, but ill pass and let early adopters deal with it. Love the form factor though

[@livingladolcevita7318]

checked the range chart about 91 miles at 60, sorry not for me.

[@Sailorman6996]

My guess for battery rent/lease is 200€ a month for 20 000km a year. If so after 15 years you pay 36 000€ for battery rent. Plus the car purchase. No thanks.

[@jolive3743]

you don't rent the batteries any more bud, you own them with the car

[@Sailorman6996]

@@jolive3743 Seems most are included battery now. There are still a few new 2020 with battery rent for sale in Sweden.

[@jolive3743]

@@Sailorman6996 really, i know that Norway recorded 60% of new vehicles sales were EV last year, wonder if the uptake is less in Sweden and maybe they are offering more of a lease approach to increase uptake?

[@Sailorman6996]

@@jolive3743 BEV sales in Sweden are very long way after Norway. One cause of that may be the subsidize of 60kSEK at the purchase. At first it seems like a great idea but when hearing from others that the BEV price in Sweden are raised with almost equivalent amount to the subsidize. Then car companies out right steal the subsidized money. Another thing has become common, people or companies buy and export the subsidized car's, so the Swedish car fleet get no use of the subsidize. In my eyes they also steal from our country. Norway has chosen to making use of- and owning a BEV cheaper. No city crowding fee, free parking if I remember correctly.

[@G-Cam1]

It's an i so no battery lease?