Does Pete Sampras Have a Next-Gen Forehand?

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@IntuitiveTennis 24 күн бұрын

Why so many players nowadays use the next-gen forehand & two-handed backhand? 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3O4g4VrhZqlfZosi=j5tVhvDGtaexD4CL

@kevinconnor8404 24 күн бұрын

I read a tip many years ago recommending lifting the elbow ("like Ivan Lendl") on the forehand as a way to keep the stroke compact! I still think about this and have found it helpful. Lendl had the most blistering forehand from among his generation of players.

@JosephYoYo 24 күн бұрын

One big problem is that "modern" and "next-gen" techniques are not well defined. In the forehand, for some people if you have a high elbow takeback with the racket almost parallel to the ground (Kyrgios), then you have a "next gen" forehand, regardless of your drop and swing. For other people the takeback doesn't matter and the racket drop is the one defining element; some say that the racket tip needs to point to the side just before the lag (Alcaraz), others say that the racket face needs to face backwards just before the lag (Sinner). Other people use an arbitrary combination of these plus other stuff to define "next gen". The concept is a semantic mess.

@123a-o5d 24 күн бұрын

To me, facing the non-hitting side of your stringbed towards the opponent is a major change. I was surprised when I saw it, as opposed to the high/low elbow which just seem like minor tweaks.

@Aranchia92 24 күн бұрын

According to Hugh Clarke next gen is about high elbow and flexed wrist. So Alcaraz, Sinner nor Sampras qualify.

@gunterjauch9051 23 күн бұрын

Swing inside out at a 45 degree Angel and everything comes natural without thinking about ellbow and leg.

@commpas3918 23 күн бұрын

有各种不同的定义那是因为他们不明白下一代正手的力学意义。现代正手是一个不完整的鞭甩，而下一代正手是一个完整的鞭甩。只要完成了鞭甩就是下一代，虽然还可以有很多不同之处。例如排面向后或者向下。

@commpas3918 23 күн бұрын

There are various definitions and that's because they don't understand the mechanics of the next generation forehand. The modern forehand is an incomplete whip, while the next generation forehand is a complete whip. As long as the whipping is completed, it is the next generation, although there can be many differences. For example, the row faces backward or downward.

@albertopacheco649 24 күн бұрын

hi all, I think everything depends first on the grip of the tennis racket the person has (if you have an eastern grip, the tip of the racket moves in a very different way than if the grip is full western), second on flexibility, third on physical condition, whatever is most comfortable for the player is the best, the swing should be natural and not forced.

@The4.0Guy 24 күн бұрын

Agree 100%, Sampras had an eastern forehand grip and achieving some of these racquet positions on the takeback would not be possible without a full western grip, or at least semi western

@sassanxersi1849 24 күн бұрын

Yes, Yes, Yes. Very well said both of you. I have an Eastern grip, and executing a NextGen forehand is more complex for me. Because player with Semi-Western Grip, has forearm supinated at contact. For me forearm must be neutral at contact. So I have to supinate and quickly pronate back during racket drop (player with Semi-western does not have to pronate back). This makes the racket go wobbly if you have bad fingers that cannot control the racket. The wobble is not in my right arm, fortunately, but when I hit left handed forehand, my hand gets wobbly very often.

@luyin1961 24 күн бұрын

Thank you for the video. Too many recreation players pay too much attention to how strokes look, too little attention on footwork and balance.

@miaoFoodNow 24 күн бұрын

I always appreciate when someone posts a video about Pete Sampras. He's almost become an afterthought & keeps being labeled as boring Serve & Volley player. And yet besides dominating clay, He did pretty much everything, Including a phenomenal game from the baseline. The single handed backhand slice & in general, the forehand. It was a joy to watch him play. He should be part of the Big 4 instead of Murray.

@azlanothmanPDA 10 күн бұрын

Been playing tennis since the 70's, & thats how i hit my FH. We were taught to hit 'through' the ball with slight brushing towards the end of the impact. That's why, our rackets are strung at a very high tension so to give accuracy.. Lower tension more suitable for spinning the ball bcoz we want the ball to 'stay' on the racket as long as possible to give time time for the brushing to take into effect. Modern players now tend to 'kick' the ball on the bounce to give pace, while I hit it rather 'flat'.

@TennisBaller88 23 күн бұрын

I feel like Andy Roddick had a “next gen FH” way before it became such a thing.

@IvanSpazia 24 күн бұрын

How much is missing a player like him in today ranking? A lot.

@TennisHacker 13 күн бұрын

Really good video!

@IntuitiveTennis 13 күн бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@andrewhwang8951 24 күн бұрын

Nick, speaking of Sampras and connecting to a big point you've made to me in prior video lessons: he's the lone example of of an all-time elite forehand where he commonly hit the ball with his right (hitting) shoulder behind his left shoulder. I've watched a lot of Sampras, and he does this with regularity. It just seemed his racquet acceleration was much more based on his shoulder as the fulcrum rather than torso rotation that cleared the front shoulder. Do you agree, and what would you say about his forehand fundamentally?

@BurnsTennis 24 күн бұрын

Coach. I have a technical question for you. Is it possible for players who use the Next Gen forehand in the purest form, to hit the ball on the rise? Like Sampras did, when hitting a big approach shot inside the service line and close the net? Or are there too much mechanics going on to play that type of tennis? Players are backing off more, anyone hits the forehand on the rise today?

@quinby123 19 күн бұрын

Do you think Sinner uses a western grip?

@Shaunsweeney-Kubach71 24 күн бұрын

People have been hitting like this since the 70s and 80s have you ever seen Aaron Krickstein forehand? That guy at one point beat every top 5 player in the world! We used to say Pete slapped the crap at out of a tennis ball! Lendel hit similar shots also, it’s you young fellas who don’t know the history of tennis who are confused about forehands and style techniques! I hate to break it to you fellas but tennis didn’t start when Fedder started winning Grand Slams!

@knotwilg3596 24 күн бұрын

Nik is 47 I believe and has a semi-pro playing career then about 25 years of professional coaching under his belt, studying the game from a theoretical and pragmatic perspective. You don't have to agree with everything he says but "young fella" is a misnomer. Myself I'm unconvinced that the difference between Sinner's forehand and the first modern forehands is merely stylistic. Although there's a continuous evolution from Borg's invention of the looping motion with wooden rackets, via the heavy topspins by Wilander, Lendl or Bruguera with the bigger metal/polyester rackets, over Federer's increased headspeed, to today's forehands, it seems to me that there have been several major leaps along the way, and Sinner's "whippiness" is one of them. It looks & sounds more powerful, and judging from his opponents' difficulty handling it, it is more powerful, in a fundamental way. Sinner seems to have converted the experimentation with different preparations into something substantial, while the likes of Kyrgios could generate similar pace but not with the same consistency, almost like "squash shots". I can't articulate it in the same way as Nik does, with his much broader and deeper background, but this is my "intuitive" opinion :)

@Shaunsweeney-Kubach71 23 күн бұрын

@ Nick is an awesome guy and phenomenal player, I have been following him for a long time now. I just think people just are trying to reinvent things that have been around for decades my friend.

@commpas3918 23 күн бұрын

@@knotwilg3596 There are various definitions and that's because they don't understand the mechanics of the next generation forehand. The modern forehand is an incomplete whip, while the next generation forehand is a complete whip. As long as the whipping is completed, it is the next generation, although there can be many differences. For example, the row faces backward or downward.

@peterstern1375 22 күн бұрын

Really well explained! Do you think it is possible to consider the Nalbandian backhand as a prototype of the Next-Gen back hand? I think the "instructors school" of the Italian federation took the Nadal backhand as a model to teach to talented kids about a decade ago. What about the Nadal backhand? Judging from memory the Nadal backhand setup looks somewhat similar to that of Sinner and Alcaraz, but I think Nadal often hits it with almost a neutral distribution on both hands, and I think the grip is also a bit different from the standard continental on the lower hand plus eastern-forehand grip un the upper hand, but I'm not sure.

@randymorehouse3756 24 күн бұрын

I am 69 now. Advanced Tennis was my Bible in my late 20s. Great book.

@themrstroke 24 күн бұрын

I like the simplicity of the neutral wrist set up like Berrenttini, Tsitisipas, and Rublev. I guess it may be some kind of in between variant of the modern and next gen forehand?

@curiousgeorge6921 24 күн бұрын

What racquet is he using now ? Crazy 2 days ago i talked about it with someone lol

@donaldbraugh2314 24 күн бұрын

Yes, he does, yet look at that old school grip.

@Fearless-1 22 күн бұрын

Nick's own student Anna was a flagrant example of trying to get her to learn and use a "style" forehand not suitable for her. Anna was essentially new to the game and had a classic and simple straight back swing forward forehand that worked great for her. Nick insisted instead that she learn the more complex and so-called modern forehand. Anna eventually got to mimicking the modern forehand motion, but it wasn't natural, fluid, lacked power, and strained her arm and wrist.

@mikechan231 23 күн бұрын

Pete Sampras has a Classic forehand swing, from the same family to that of Connor and Johnny Mac. He used a long circle take back with the racket head extended outward. There was no compression/shortening of the back swing and not much lag creation. His swing path was more that of a flat shot, rather than for top spin. Sampras used an eastern grip so the contact point was farther out in from than his predecessors. Sampras was the last (major) proponent of the Classic FH swing and illustrated the maximum potential that technique had to offer. It is definitely not a next gen FH.

@animen4165 23 күн бұрын

is Lendl too early for you and others?

@bmanbusee3812 24 күн бұрын

Interesting story about the open stance two handed backhand. Some coaches teach that on the defensive end. I learned it myself at the Rafa academy and works for me. But will never try to emulate movement and strokes on my own by looking at pros on tv. Just too difficult imo and you can’t really tell what’s happening in real time

@patrikmarflak6559 24 күн бұрын

Would it be even possible to play next gen style of forehand with Sampras’s racquet? It was much heavier than most players use these days.

@knotwilg3596 24 күн бұрын

Nik, who was the first to play the "modern forehand"? And was that a fundamental change, observably different with his predecessors? Or was it a marginal, seemingly stylistic transition, similar to the small difference between Novak and Sinner, as per your assessment? And if there's such a "father of the modern forehand", is the difference between his and Sinner's merely stylistic or fundamental? So in essence, do fundamental difference occur as a breakthrough, or as a compound of hardly observable, seemingly stylistic improvements?

@BurnsTennis 5 күн бұрын

Hi. Not Nick, a poor version unfortunately :-0 But my opinion is Bjorn Borg started the modern forehand, with a wooden racquet. Most people focus on grip but his stance looked to me semi open, giving him more options. Ivan Lendl is the true father of the modern forehand because he did it with a graphite racquet. And his template was to camp in the backhand corner and dictate the play with inside out forehands adopting the semi open stance. To do that he needed athleticism to cover the forehand side if his opponents' went down the line. That template was carried forward in the 1990s particularly by Jim Courier and Pete Sampras. In the 2000s, Federer and Nadal continued with that template. Those four players after Lendl did it at the highest level, even if most players were copying this. For me grips are immaterial. What I find more important is the stance by the player. As for Sampras' elbow, you wont be surprised to hear Lendl did the same thing before him. A lot is made out of the elbow position, almost if a lot of fans never noticed before.

@gunterjauch9051 23 күн бұрын

The most astonishing for me was seeing the Best wheelchairtennisplayers at the Australia Open. They were able to hit huge forehand and backhands without Generating Power from the ground no hip Rotation almost no upper body Rotation so the Unit turn and the kinetic chain is overrated as well. If you hit the Ball at the right angle at the sweet Spot Pressing the Ball together that Trampolin Effect can generate huge speed without much effort

@alpinescope4441 24 күн бұрын

It seems to me that a high elbow signifies a traditional swing rather than a "next gen". When one uses a eastern grip, as Sampras does, high elbow is highly necessary because it keeps the racquet face more closed. But in the "modern" or "next gen“ forehand, where 95% of people use semi-western or a more extreme version of western grip, high elbow is unnecessary or even counter productive. To me the signature of "next gen" swings is the fast whipping motion preceding the forward swing, which differs from the now slightly old fashioned "racquet drop" (by gravity). Yes, Jannik Sinner's swing is "next gen". Comparing to Djokovic's "racquet drop" style, Sinner's whipping motion is faster and can be completed at any moment even when his time is extremely compressed.

@commpas3918 23 күн бұрын

你是对的，但仅仅是表面上的描述。

@commpas3918 23 күн бұрын

@DragonFly525 24 күн бұрын

Yes Just change to Full western Grip.

@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten 24 күн бұрын

not a requirement for next gen forehand, semi-western is also possible.

@miguelbarahona6636 24 күн бұрын

I don't recommend full western. Semi western is the best. IMO

@07TBoneMarcus 24 күн бұрын

@@miguelbarahona6636 There is no best. It's Semi is the most common. Full Western is great for those who can comfortably use it. I've used it for years without issue and can strike the ball well on FH and BH.

@gillesd9347 24 күн бұрын

Didn’t Federer have a next gen forehand? The tip of his racquet is pointing to the side and the strings would be facing the back fence if he had a semi western grip instead of an eastern grip

@commpas3918 23 күн бұрын

No, he didn’t have.

@gillesd9347 22 күн бұрын

Why?

@commpas3918 22 күн бұрын

@ There are various definitions and that's because they don't understand the mechanics of the next generation forehand. The modern forehand is an incomplete whip, while the next generation forehand is a complete whip. As long as the whipping is completed, it is the next generation, although there can be many differences. For example, the row faces backward or downward.

@cam1210 24 күн бұрын

True “next gen” style is slappy because slappy is seen to be cool…like Kygrios or Jack Sock.

@sarkology 24 күн бұрын

Couldn’t you argue that Pete’s FH was very whippy too? He pointed the tip racket forward instead of to the side and initiated the forward movement from that position very late . Of course it had to whip back first then forward. And Pete’s FH was copied from Lendl right? I think he said as much. I always thought his FH was so whippy when I would watch him back in the day. And insane power of course.

@BurnsTennis 24 күн бұрын

Many people see different things. I agree with you. The lazy ones (there are many) would say he hit flat. But no, with the eastern grip, he needed to whip the racquet, especially off the low ball, and when hitting his famous crosscourt forehand passing shot, that needed a lot of whip to dip the ball past the net rusher. He also had to flick the wrist often. So, you are right.

@Anton.Arkhipov 24 күн бұрын

Why talking about “strings facing back” you don’t cover the grip? What is natural with strong SW to full W grip is unlikely to happen with more conservative grips (Federer, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Bautista, etc.) - they will have strings facing down.

@sawyer7191 24 күн бұрын

Whaaaaat? Covering more ground to determine “whippiness” aka lag!? Federer’s racquet is very very whippy! So by this characteristic Federer would be Next Gen also?

@Dudu10ototoso 24 күн бұрын

Next gen eh alcaraz , modern gen is federer / djokovic is dificult to understand?

@commpas3918 23 күн бұрын

Pete don’t have NG. There are various definitions and that's because they don't understand the mechanics of the next generation forehand. The modern forehand is an incomplete whip, while the next generation forehand is a complete whip. As long as the whipping is completed, it is the next generation, although there can be many differences. For example, the row faces backward or downward.

@07TBoneMarcus 24 күн бұрын

Are you standing in an apple orchard?

@gunterjauch9051 23 күн бұрын

The next gen forehand is totally overrated look at del Potro look at one of the heaviest forehands ever from Gonzales.The most important thing is hit the Ball at a 45degree angel look at Federer The next gen forehand is style like you said and thats the reason because young players copy that style because they see it more often on TV

@michaelreid8737 24 күн бұрын

Tiafoe adopts a very different wrist position than Sinner, prior to any forward movement on his forehand but the lag position like all ATP forehands ends up pretty much the same. Seems it is more personal preference and comfort than anything else.

@IntuitiveTennis 24 күн бұрын

No two forehands are exactly the same as discussed in the video. Tiafoe’s wrist is more extended bc the strings are slightly more closed compared to Sinner. The similarity is in length of path into lag

@michaelreid3505 24 күн бұрын

@@IntuitiveTennisI’m pretty sure strings might fall into the category of “an inanimate object.”