Deadly Moments - The Aftermath of Teutoburg Forest (9AD) DOCUMENTARY

[@InvictaHistory]

With all the viewer interest we've decided to extend this series by exploring the Roman campaigns to avenge Varus and his legions. Check out part 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/baa5XqGVgbOEbLs

[@worldeconomicforumbarbie9323]

Ramensteins video Deutschland seems to be echoing this story. I find it disturbing how Jesuit Pope Francis and Queen Elizabeth have worked non stopped to bring Rome into power. UN is already using the ridiculous Canon Laws. So we live gagged by face masks, and our children brainwashed.

[@overlord5068]

Arminius is a an Aryan = Germanic = Nordic hero

[@overlord5068]

He defended his race

[@overlord5068]

Against the Romans

[@worldeconomicforumbarbie9323]

@@overlord5068 Whats the India part of it?

[@chadhill455]

Whoever makes the artwork, give them a raise

[@gabrielhoffman4897]

I thought the exact same thing!

[@jimmiarreltherford8464]

Give'em the whole budget

[@pucmahone3893]

I concur!

[@chrisu9274]

Agreed

[@eddardstark6554]

And give them daily free lunches and Friday night drinks for a year! Toss in a gas card or two and increase their benefits! (I’m definitely not one of the artists...)

[@50shekels]

Someone needs to make a horror game about a roman legionnaire trying to get back over the Rhine with the eagle and meanwhile remaining undetected. He'll wander the dark, eldritch forests of Germania seeing his friends and comrades hung up and sacrificed in various fashions

[@JC-fy8wh]

Yeah, and also being haunted by its PTSD from surviving the slaughter. Sounds like a nightmare

[@TheThreeFantastic]

Nightmare? They lost so hard, they fled to the south in bavaria building a loooong palisade- wall. That’s no nightmare, that was pure hell.

[@julian6868]

Thats an amazing idea

[@robertomurteira5913]

Yeah, I'd pay for such a game

[@BanditoBurrito]

I think Outlast is a good base for the general sort of gameplay.

[@TheGreatMoonFrog]

I love how the tribes picked the place clean. I can imagine roman legionaries encountering germanic warriors with roman gear, knowing why they have it.

[@pierzing.glint1sh76]

Seeing that must have drove them mad with blood lust, with the fires of revenge burning in their hearts How dare they wear Roman armour

[@joaosimao6325]

@@pierzing.glint1sh76 Roman: "by Jupiter how dare you use the lorica hamata made for our glorious soldiers" Germans: "Mail is Mail!"

[@clevermcgenericname891]

German: Hey guys, all fair in love and war, right? Right?....what's the big wooden cross for?

[@Jarlemoore1]

Imagine the Germanics doing a Battle of the Bulge scenario on the Romans, dressed like them then striking as they got near.

[@graceamerican3558]

Hearts and minds. It's a 'Look what WE did - so there!'.

[@squamish4244]

The story has a postscript. Some captives taken at Teutoberg were freed by a Roman expedition against the Chatti in 50 AD. Old men overwhelmed with joy were liberated after _40 years_ in captivity.

[@Briselance]

40 years??? O_o

[@m.j.9318]

From where do you have that information? Source?

[@mine9120]

@@m.j.9318 when germanicas captured German Towns and camps, they found old men who were former legionaries who were captured at the ambush in teutoburg forest around 40 years ago. Some accounts also say that gemanicas found one of the old eagles of the lost legions

[@m.j.9318]

@@mine9120 What are these "some accounts" ?????? Do you have evidence and some sources?? From where do you have these information. Pls provide full link to the text (author and exact part where it is derscribed) if there is one. Just tell that. And i mean not only sources of the (as you say survivors 40 years ago) but also where are these written accounts of what they said about the battle?

[@mine9120]

@@m.j.9318 the glorious world of Wikipedia

[@claudiodominguez.]

"Death smiles at us all, but all a man can do is smile back" Marcus Aurelius

[@fernandoreynaaguilar1438]

The Bushido agrees with this

[@jasondelrosario5523]

I don't think the Romans ever smiled during what happened at Teutoburg due to the sheer brutality of the Germans against the Romans at that time.

[@jonathanlee5314]

Impressive, very based.

[@The_Honcho]

Misattributed quote 😢

[@claudiodominguez.]

@@The_Honcho 216 👍

[@jonny-b4954]

And just think, at some point along the way EVERY family within those tribes eventually lost their ancestors ashes. Or they became irrelevant. And just think, a few years later when Rome came back for revenge and to bury their comrades they annihilated these tribes. It's crazy how vast history is. How many tribes, peoples, cultures have come and gone. Totally unremarked upon. No one remembers anything about them. Let alone what life was like. It's sad. Even driving through my childhood neighborhood I realized how irrelevant my friends and I were. Like there's been a whole other generation that's grown up and moved out in that neighborhood and while it hasn't changed that much... it sure isn't the same. It's just a weird concept to wrap your head around and really adds context to these stories. So appreciate the video.

[@davidcervantes9336]

That’s the beauty (or the horrors) of existence. Everything is irrelevant at the end of the day. Only humans prevail and, who knows, perhaps someday even they will also cease to exist.

[@jonny-b4954]

@@davidcervantes9336 Indeed. The horror made even more apparent when you realize... you won't even get to truly realize it's just an on/off switch at the end. At least in my opinion. Is going to be fucking hilarious if there is an after life though.

[@abcdef-cs1jj]

I'd politely disagree though, Jonny. The bodies and names of the men that fought and won this battle might be lost, but their legacy lives on. They changed the course of history and stopped the Roman war machine, eventually Rome would cease their invasion of German lands and focus on holding the Rhine, Teuteburg was a key factor in that. In the centuries to come, German tribes would overpower the Roman Empire and bring it to its knees, founding kingdoms that will lateron develop into Spain (Visigoths), France (Franks) and England (Anglo-Saxons) ... Also the actual sucesses of Germanicus' campaigns are historically doubtful if I remember correctly: He claimed to have won battles against German tribes on his campaign but there is no evidence to suggest that this is but fabrication to appease the populace and paint him as a conqueror. What we do know is that he returned with no gains to show for his supposed victories. But that really isn't that important. What is important is that even if we do not have such remarkable effect on the course of history as the men of Arminius had - we still influence it by living our little lifes. We are the offspring of thousands, ten-thousands of ancestors, a long line of little and great men. We continue to speak their language, we inherit their genes, their blood, even their customs to a far larger degree than most know ... and we get to take our place in that line, give it our own little spin in this direction or that. We chose a wife, we teach our children and maybe our grandchildren and continue the great adventure of life. Of course it is sad to look back, sometimes its also scary to look ahead, but there is also always beauty.

[@ulrichrenner6256]

​@Pantelis Tzimas They wanted, they tried hard. Conquering Germania would have been very prestigious. But they could not afford the cost and built a wall instead. After that wall fell some centuries later, Rome was sacked. Really funny how you, being Greek, call it the Greco-Roman war machine.

[@ulrichrenner6256]

@Pantelis Tzimas Rome was a Roman culture that was influenced by Greek culture by trading with Greeks and by taking over Greek colonies in Italy and later on all of Greece. But we weren't speaking of cultures, we were talking armies. To call the Roman legions that might have conquered Germania a Greco-Roman war machine is ridiculous, although some of the Roman troops who fought in Germania must have been Greek. The Romans brought Syrian archers to Germania, too.

[@nathanbafort6211]

The art in this video was superb!

[@deirdregibbons5609]

I agree. Superb and haunting. Also haunting music.

[@michaellewis7959]

It is exceptional

[@NikolaiOfTheShire]

i like it too, although i admit it reminds me of those evangelical pamphlets a bit

[@jonothandoeser]

It's too bad the *Germans didn't have a written language* or the details could have been even more accurate!

[@RoyalZarak]

Absolutely

[@robaerto71]

I am actually born and raised in the Teutoburg Forrest and I am thrilled and proud to see this documentary! Thanks a lot!

[@RexHrothgar1]

How fascinating. Would you care to tell me what life is like where you live? Like do your people take pride in the history of the battle? Do you still honor the memories these days , and how? Maybe some go metal detecting around there? Anything at all would be appreciated. Just very curious.

[@robaerto71]

​@@RexHrothgar1 Hey, Rex! Actually there are no reminiscent traditions or events at all! The events of that era are so ancient that it has no recognizable effect on todays culture! Sometimes they are mentioned in history or Latin class, but nothing of depth. No analysis of the battles, the politics or something like that. However there is the "Hermannsdenkmal", a large monument and statue near Detmold in the heart of the Teutoburg Forest which is a well-visited, touristic attraction. But there are especially no re-enactments of those battles like in the US for example! Although they might be fun like some kind of a fantasy larp! The region has a particularly mystical atmosphere with its hills, large forests and several castles and ruins!! Actually I have been in my home-town last week and visited some ruins there. It always gets me when I see those aged strongholds in the sylvan barrows of early spring! It is funny that you asked for metal detecting! My best friend bought a detector just two years ago and wanted to use it more often during the lockdown. But here in Germany it is a little bit complicated. You need a license - which he has - and a special permission for the time and region you want to search. And you have to document everything. On the other hand it is understandable because there have been some military altercations in this region in WWII and there are still findings of war equipment. But there are relicts of those old German and Roman ages found too. Just in the last years there have been several discoveries of historical importance like coins, relics and other cultural items. I know this because I am a little history nerd but most of younger generations and even the older ones know nothing about the incidents of that time, except educated people of course. So, all in all there have been events in those times of monumental importance, which changed history and took part in the destruction and demise of the Roman empire - one of the largest empires in human history - that are mostly forgotten even by the descendants of the participants. I don't know why and I don't know if it is good or bad but I for my part am always fascinated to learn more about it! :)

[@RexHrothgar1]

@@robaerto71 Hey, Robaerto! Thank you for your kind reply. I guess there has been a lot of historical events surrounding Teutoburg Forest since the ancient times. Yet hearing of these ancient happenings indeed captured my imagination. The historical events that you have described occurring since then seem very intriguing as well. Especially how you described them. It’s such an old place with a rich history. I would probably be eternally enthralled if I could ever get to even see a place like that much less to live nearby. I can imagine that mystical atmosphere that you described as being very true. I get a similar sense when I visit rivers. They’re each so different yet most have a mystical aura about them. Since America is such a young culture, that’s about as ancient as I can find. I do enjoy reading and learning about our American Civil War, but not necessarily for the re-enacting of any battles. I just find Abraham Lincoln to be one of the most fascinating and greatest human beings that ever graced our world. And such beautiful eloquence with words! But you Europeans are so lucky. You have such beautiful cultures and histories. Not to mention the stark beauty of the lands themselves. I would never tire of being there. I’d love to relocate. This, my country... is still trying to recover from the last four years of the Orange one. How embarrassing. And frightening. (I digress.) Anyway, once again, thank you for taking the time to humor me, you’ve given me a lot of great food for thought. To which now I’ll get right to Googling “Hermannsdenkmal” and Detmold in order to get as close as I am able by way of internet. 😄🙂 I feel very lucky to have stumbled upon your comment. Somehow I feel that I have more in common with Europeans than my own countrymen. I live in Texas. Which is almost a country. The only historical places here are the old Spanish missions. Even that is a good 5 hour drive away. So call me just a bit jealous. :) Take care now.

[@robaerto71]

​@@RexHrothgar1 Ola and Hallo, Rex (as I am German of Portuguese decent)! I am so happy and proud to have found a brother and friend in spirit! :) Getting to know Europe quite well I am agreeing with you regarding the beauty and cultural richness of all the countries, but you know ... "the grass is always greener over there" ... I think you are a little bit too harsh to your country! I try to sound not to precocious while explaining my point of view, and please forgive me when I am failing! ALL countries go through rough times and there have been some REALLY crazy leaders, monarchs and dictators in Europe as well all through thousands of years of history - not only A.H.! And as you see everything developed to quite a satisfying point! The holy unqualified President you had was not the first and will not be the last embarrassment and I really think sometimes it needs a crisis like this to overthrow the past and bring the culture to flourish! It may cost a lot of damage and victims but in the end it might benefit the collective. I am obviously over-simplifying but I stand by it. Nations are like persons and have to go through particular phases and the USA are so young and pretentious ... one might think they are going through puberty! ;) When I watch all the news and commentaries from here and abroad (like TYT eg) I see a a lot of horrible thinks but more of hope and dignity! Of course you have all this violence and cruelty but you also have ALL THOSE LARGE DEMONSTRATIONS AND PROTESTS that can only be compared to the resistance that brought Democracy to the countries in Europe like in France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany and later East-Germany! I think you can be optimistic about the future! And trust me, in those times people suffered and despaired too and needed strong and convincing leaders to not relinquish all hopes! And please do not forget the rich and old history you have in the US. You had 500 (!!!) native nations but you are all taught that this is the history of someone else! Instead you are taught to mimic the European "white" culture and history (whatever that means). Your nation has the widest range of different people from all over the world - that is unique! You US-Americans should embrace THIS richness and priceless and matchless possibility! When you have learned anything of European history you can not ignore all the senseless and gruesome wars! Neighbors, friends, family members! Christian against Muslims against Jews! Christians against Christians! Muslims against Muslims! All against Jews! Over gold, money, spices, power, influence, trade, territories, women, misunderstandings, hurt feelings and just for fun or arrogance! A lot of cultural developments were caused by just that!

[@robaerto71]

@@RexHrothgar1 Sorry, Rex, I never reached the limit in the comments! :D I didn't want to bore or bother you but I think your country has more to offer than you think! Europe is clearly worth a journey and I would be proud to welcome you and show you some of the beauty! And I think you could be proud and happy for your home-country too, in the most liberal and progressive way there is! Kind regards from Berlin, your Roberto!

[@Nitidus]

I grew up close to the excavation site and went there a couple of times as a kid. When I was little, it was extremely exciting to imagine the enormous dimensions of the battle, standing right there on the grasslands. Now that I'm older and interested in military history, the idea of being right on top of where all that happened millennia ago is just awe-inspiring. Gotta visit again as soon as they reopen after Covid.

[@honkytonk4465]

No reopening=eternal Covid

[@Nitidus]

@@honkytonk4465 you must feel desperate if you really believe this

[@garywalsh6304]

When I first-time saw this years back, I sensed a grt. Victory for the germanic tribes. Varus was portrayed as a brute. In truth however, this really was a massacre. The romans and especially their entourage never stood a chance. Stretched out and wiped out. Gone. Their recovery couldn't take back time either. Europe was indeed changed forever. For the beter ? I wonder. Perhaps Not so.

[@noticerofpatterns9188]

Question, are the bones and artifacts left exactly where they were found in the ground or taken somewhere else? I'd hope they left them in the ground

[@wewenang5167]

yeh, after what happened Rome were in declination and the Germanic tribes from all over northern Europe got bolder and start to pillaged roman territorials until they got to Rome...afte that they took over everything and the dark age came.@@garywalsh6304

[@tomlongbow]

Living only an hour drive away from Kalkriese and the battle of the Teutoburger Forrest I really enjoyed this view upon our history from overseas. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Germany 👋🏻

[@InvictaHistory]

Thanks to everyone for recommending we cover this topic! Based on the feedback we certainly plan to do more episodes like this. For now I'd recommend you check out our video on Roman Scouting practices which can shed some light on the failure that was the Ambush at the Teutoburg Forest: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4KshWOshZqjeMk

[@tfs203]

Is the forest at the beginning of Rammsteins video for "Deutchland"?

[@JTL1776]

@Invicta will you be finishing What if Julius Caesar Was Not Assassinated?.

Romans leaking spaghetti all over the battlefield haven't even found America yet having to sub blood for marinara sauce. Salt level though? Ramsey approves.

[@WilliamLawrence7]

I love that video, as well as your videos on logistics. I've got a whole section on my discord devoted to historical videos and content, and today's videos are yours from your supply/logistics playlist. Great stuff, and thank you, by the way, I actually got to use the quote, "Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics" and explain it.

[@augusto6993]

Dude continue your what if cesar survived videos

[@EokaBeamer69]

You guys are probably one of the top history channels on KZbin. Keep up the good work. Senatus Popolusque Romanus!

[@arcee3156]

These videos are so well scripted, animated and drawn. This channel continues to amaze me every video again!

[@WilliamLawrence7]

Seriously! Invicta is one of my favorites.

[@justintimefortea7655]

Coming from Sunderland in the N.E. of England, close to Hadrian's Wall, I grew up with a fascination of the Romans and their time in England. This was compounded when - in my 30s - I moved to Colchester in Essex, England... the oldest recorded town in England and filled with Roman history. The Roman gated entrance still stands there, and you can see the cart-worn cobbles on the ground. Of course, there is also the famous story of Boudica's revolt against the Roman army... fascinating. And now - in my late 60s - I sit on the balcony of my house here on a small tropical island in the Gulf of Thailand and continue to be fascinated by Roman history and your work in sharing stories almost 2,000 years old😊 Wonderful! Thank you for sharing your passion and hard work mate... highly appreciated and utterly captivating ... now subscribed of course 😊👍😎

[@satnav9699]

So are we ever getting part 3 of 'What if Caesar lived' I want to see if he could have invaded Parthia

[@psycdan]

If you're interested in what could have happened if ceasar survived his assassination take a look at the caesar ascending book series on amazon. The series of books which these are expanded from are also worth reading if you like roman military fiction.

[@patricianoftheplebs6015]

He did invade Parthia he hasn’t returned yet.

[@Armorius2199]

Yeah, when is it coming out #CAESARLIVES #ROMAINVICTA #SPQR

[@patricianoftheplebs6015]

@@Armorius2199 *makes plebeian noises*

[@greenkoopa]

If he could have?...Caesar?...yeah if he was alive to do it, he would've done it. Especially if he was the one that wrote about it 🐢 #greenkoopa

[@SS0MAA]

"We'll cover his campaigns in another video" 😔 I need more

[@WilliamLawrence7]

For Real, I feel like the story of Germanicus is not told enough!

[@huanquocmanh416]

Watch dovanhatty

[@flaviusbelisariusthebasedl3116]

@@huanquocmanh416 or kings and generals

[@ghosthdel3098]

@@flaviusbelisariusthebasedl3116 This is why we the USA are the greatest. We learn from this battles and slaughters of human beings. We are the greatest county in teh world. USA USA USA... USA USA USA

[@gaiusoctavius5935]

Last time I was this early, I still had my legions.

[@leonardodavid2842]

Where were your legions?

[@velveteensallet949]

Did you get them back?

[@Captain_Titus3867]

Hey boss we made it back sorry

[@AH-yg8xb]

Crasus???? AHhhhhhhhhhh

[@odinsbeard0141]

Well played @Gaius the Coward 👏🏻

[@adriansams6066]

The site of the battle was discovered by Capt Clun, British Army who was stationed in Germany in the 1980's and spent his free time researching the battle and metal detecting. Up until Clun's discovery the whereabouts was unknown.... Enjoyed the video.. Many thanks.

[@alokchowdhury3671]

Not quite. The location was known even in the late 19th century when the memorial statue of Arminius or Hermann was erected in the Teutoburg forest.

[@ericsarnoski6278]

Heads were nailed to the trees , bones were scattered because wolf's , bears and boars were abundant , not because of some sort of trophy, or sacrificial ritual . Roman weapons and armor was prized . 3 legions worth of weapons is quite a cache. Trade goods to exchange with other Germanic tribes.

[@Tetrohedracon]

Imagine being the Barbarians who moved into the area after the massacre unknowingly and the Roman's show up for revenge.

[@jhwheuer]

I don’t expect there to be unknowing neighbors.

[@shesaknitter]

I'll bet that by the time the Romans returned, every single one of the locals knew the story. I mean, they must have been very proud of their ability to wipe out the famous Roman badasses who never lost a battle!

[@dantecaputo2629]

@@shesaknitter The Romans had lost battles before, and they had lost them worse. Rome’s big strength wasn’t that they were invincible on the battlefield (though they were really good) it was that they had this incredible ability to absorb even the largest defeats and keep going. A battle like Cannae would have absolutely destroyed any other civilization, and yet the Romans were able to regroup, recover, and prepare for round 2. Essentially, in order to win against the Romans you had to defeat them in every single battle. They just had to beat you once, and you were done.

[@Guiscardo777]

@@dantecaputo2629 Rome was like Godzilla.. actually

[@OljeiKhan]

@@dantecaputo2629 i get your point and it is correct in hindsight with all the knowledge we have , but the average German probably wouldn't know of many Roman defeats. In their eyes the legions were probably legendary , capable of building forts in a day and equipped with the best gear their time had to offer. Hearing tales of 3 legions being slaughtered almost to the last man would have been a great morale boost for them.

[@jackofswords7]

I live near the site of the battle at a place called Hunterburg. The man who discovered the site was a British army Major who I knew personally. I have visited the battle site and museum a few times. The point I want to make is that the mask worn by a Roman rider was found under part of a collapsed earthen wall that the Germans had built as part of their trap/ambush. The only reason it was not looted and taken to some German village was because the earth wall collapsed and buried it. That part of the battle was at or near "Kalkriese" (Chalk Giant) a part of the Wiehengebirge.

[@c.norbertneumann4986]

In the year 9 AD, I think, one can't speak of "Germans" yet. The inhabitants of the area were then different Germanic tribes who had nothing in common but their hatred against the Romans, and maybe similar dialects and religious beliefs.

[@thomasdemay9805]

@@c.norbertneumann4986 the romans called the area and tribes germania so i dont get your point.

[@c.norbertneumann4986]

@@thomasdemay9805 The Romans did not call the inhabitants of the area "Germans". This is the modern English term for the inhabitants of a central European state that did not exist in Varus' time. Are you aware of the difference between "German" and "Germanic"? (You wouldn't call the Britannic tribes or the Saxons of the year 9 AD "English" either, because the English didn't exist yet at that time. Nor were the ancient Romans "Italians".)

[@thomasdemay9805]

@@c.norbertneumann4986 what are you talking about? I just watched a video that mentioned a guy named "Germanicus"

[@c.norbertneumann4986]

@@thomasdemay9805 You talked of "Germans" who simply did not exist at the time of the Teutoburg Forest battle. You have no understanding of history.

[@beesonbandit6639]

I would watch a whole video just dedicated to different stories of Romans trying to survive the days following tuetonberg

[@hiddenwoodsben]

teutoburg, imbecil!

[@beesonbandit6639]

@@hiddenwoodsben hey man, that’s uncalled for

[@hiddenwoodsben]

@@beesonbandit6639 sry, not a native-speaker, it was supposed to be a joke. since it didnt land: apoligies, youre ofc not an imbecil.

[@beesonbandit6639]

@@hiddenwoodsben it’s okay, I still love u man

[@hiddenwoodsben]

@@beesonbandit6639 we might be random internet-strangers to each other, but your reply still relieves me greatly🤣

[@suzz1776]

Thank you for posting this. I am very proud of my German ancestry and my mother has always told me that my heavy instinct to fight instead of flight is due to who my ancestors were. So thxs for shining some more light on to this history. No matter how cruel they seem, they were protecting their homelands and their families from the Romans and there is huge honor in that.

[@lcpeterbilt379]

i commented on him referring to this as a tragedy , the Romans themselves done worse through out their campaigns. This is one where the took the Loss and bore the consequences.

[@Asiansxsymbol]

Thanks for starting WWII and killing tens of millions. 🤦🥴

[@IRONHEAD12701]

Great job. Very informative. I’m a huge history buff. In 2004, while on holiday in Belgium, I was able to visit Bastogne. A guide took us into the Ardenne forest and I found a few artifacts lying on the ground. Coat buttons from a German soldier, a bayonet from a US soldier, several coins and empty shell casings.

[@firmanimad]

One of the best artworks I've ever seen in any history videos. Top notch!

[@sroar64]

Damn this is an awesome video. Never gave thought to the immediate aftermath of the Battle of Teutoburg Forest, very cool! Production quality is great too

[@beluga8001]

Last time i was this early, "last time i was this early" jokes were still funny

[@aBerlin1945]

Your clever twist has given new fun to an old meme. Thank you for that.

[@bravomike4734]

Indeed, agreeable to what the commenteer above me hath said.

[@forrestpenrod2294]

Hard to feel bad for the invading Romans however their retreat from the battle might be one of the most horrifying, harrowing things I’ve ever heard.

[@Ray-yv7kn]

1 year old comment but you're not supposed to "feel bad." This isn't some work of fiction. This is history and it exists to be learned from or at least known of.

[@dougretter]

Someone is forgetting why they were there. Romans were notorious for inflicting unimaginable suffering on others while they were invading, conquering and enslaving most of the known world, for many hundreds of years. The Romans had a bad plan and they received the result of their mistakes; nothing they would not have done to their enemies. They were brutal invaders and whatever happened to them was nothing less than they would have done.

[@keshav3479]

@@Ray-yv7kn What a strange way to view history. Looking at the past with zero empathy and nothing but a clinical examination of facts is just bizarre to me. So you're supposed to feel bad for characters in fiction but not for the real people who lived and died in these times?

[@Ray-yv7kn]

@@keshav3479 Because then you'll get something like The Woman King.

[@keshav3479]

@@Ray-yv7kn I've completely lost you there. Explain your train of thought?

[@LegoSwordViedos]

I can only imagine the horror that would have been like knowing you are deep in enemy territory, and your army has been defeted.

[@raptor_zero9429]

Imagine to be a Roman soldier who escaped the slaughter, alone in the eerie and foggy woods of Germania. You keep trying to find a way to the nearest castrum even in the night, when horrific barbarian chants break the silence of the forest and those creepy things that your dead veteran friend told you about these unknown lands come to your mind, haunting your soul

[@22fordfx49]

I honestly dont know why anyone would be a soldier back then unless it was forced or promised a great deal of loot

[@LegoSwordViedos]

@@22fordfx49 they did it for a big reason lots of modern people do it, food, housing medical care, and regular pay decent compared to what most people were paid, it's only times like this, when it goes horribly wrong, but 90% it was fine doing a regular hard job then getting paid to go eat drink and sleep with some women

[@thulegezelschap5884]

Youbcan experience this in any major western city, after dark in certain neighbourhoods (provided youbare white)

[@mattnorcia5593]

Thule Gezelschap Lol true. I used to do this on the east side of Cleveland in a drunken drug fueled craze, not anymore, sober now, I’m also a former US Army soldier. Yeah you never know what your getting into when you join the military, it is a gamble. Some times it pays, sometimes it doesn’t . A little selfish on my part though since I was the only son in my family. I would have felt bad for my mother if I were killed but by the grace of God I wasn’t for some reason I don’t know.

[@lcloco100]

wel im sorry too say this as mutch as i love rome ect have too say as Daniel Sass says Interesting how slaughtering 20,000 roman soldiers is called a horrific betrayal but slaughtering 1 million gaul civilians is only remembered in terms of Cesar's glorious conquest

[@amisteryfella]

Honestly I would say that as much as it is helpful to see the contradiction, it is also clear that the entire video focuses on the roman perspective. Moreover for some historian to say that "we" remember something as a collective is pretty darn stupid, and just something that informs me on how he feels about this gruesome battle. You can win a war as much as you can win an hurricane.

[@DolcheGuevara]

BRAVO

[@Mugdorna]

Vae victus

[@elvenkind6072]

It's silly to imagine that looting would have waited till after some other thing had been done. It probably started during the battle itself. Just as haphazardly as the treatment of corpses.

[@calebr908]

Certainly it started immediatly

[@effeojnedib7208]

I agree with you. That was the first thing I thought. Maybe they came back for the big, heavy things.

[@crankyscoper6832]

I dont think they would have been able to do so due to romans trying to kill them.

[@RinoGato]

Definitely disputable. I'm sure there was some looting if an area was pretty much cleaned of living romans, but I suppose we'll never know. But I imagine that when the romans fled into their forts for the evening/night, the tribes came back to start looting in the areas they had slaughtered most of the romans, making sure there are no survivors as was already mentioned by Invicta.

[@Sharkman1963]

"Ooohh, the Germans are mad at us! Whatever you do, don't piss off the Germans!!!" -- Homer Simpson, Famous Non-Roman.

[@jasonl8326]

I believe that was none other than Monty Burns who dared mock the Germans after getting his power plant back.

[@Southerndevilsfan]

@@jasonl8326 I thought it was Burns! Thanks.

[@jasonl8326]

@@Southerndevilsfan 👍

[@walther2492]

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[@sovereignnews3336]

Or so the Germans would have us believe.

[@pixelpatter01]

A 2000 year old tragedy? It was a glorious victory for the German tribes and a defeat for the Romans.

[@jackparker8602]

Matter of perspective

[@Wuestenkarsten]

GLORIOS VICTORY!!!! The Reason we still like BEER instead of Wine Crab!!.......;-)

[@cmdrfrosty3985]

@@Wuestenkarsten horrid loss for civilized people who don't like drinking piss flavored drink

[@DolcheGuevara]

BRAVO

[@Wuestenkarsten]

@@cmdrfrosty3985 Then you Dink no Beer but US Rubbish I guess.....;-) Wine is still crab.....LONG LIVE THE HOPFENMALZGETRÄNK!!!

[@marcotolomio5269]

Winners write History. The Germans: "hold my illiteracy!"

[@originaluddite]

My variation on this is that winners might write the secondary texts but everyone writes the primary sources (including what can be discovered via archaeology).

[@boahkeinbockmehr]

Well i mean we do have a saga song that is by some modern scholars believed to be originaly based on these events: "Siegfried Sage" in the song of the Nibelungen, where the dragon represents the marching column of the roman legions (or Sigurd saga if you go up north to our northern kin)

[@garmit61]

They weren’t actually Germans. Germany didn’t exist until the 1871.

[@boahkeinbockmehr]

@@garmit61 please look up what the son of Charlemagne called himself when he became regent of the east Frankish empire (little hint: the German (in German)) the nationality "German" is a rather new thing, the ethnicity and self definition as one however is at least one millenia old, though probably even older than that as the term "Welsch" being used to differentiate people belonging to other ethnicities by all Germanic people (the swedes call some suomi welsh, the swiss the latin speaking retro romans, the Germans the Italians and later also the French, the Angle Saxons the romanizes Britons that took refuge in the hilllands etc.) In terms of nationality i fully agree with you but not in terms of ethnicity (e.g. in bohemia there was also a distinction being made between germans and czeck inhabitants, despite them often living side by side in the same settlement, and the HRE was not for no reason eventually known as "the holy roman empire of german nation" long before there was any notion of the concept of nations. Just like the crusader order from German lands was named "the german knights order" and its member known as "german-lord knights". The need for the creation for this order due to the other mostly french knight orders denying german knights access to their hospitals and other institutions also is a hint at them being regarded by outsiders as a different ethnicity

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

@@garmit61 dont talk crap about our history. We called ourselves Deutsch 3000 Ears ago and call ourselves Deutsch today. Tribal differences dont matter

[@clueless_andy]

What an absolute legend soldier for hiding that third eagle!

[@Kruppt808]

@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 entrusting your scouting to a hostage of a former enemy while campaigning in that persons homeland? you'd have to be the masters of the known world to be that arrogant......

[@pythoncoder2000]

@Igor Miele I don't think there's a "dishonorable" way to win when your land is being invaded by a vastly technologically and organizationally superior empire

[@Kruppt808]

@Igor Miele and Arminius never forgot his true homeland and countrymen. He fooled the arrogant Romans, plotted against them, united the fractious Germanic Tribes, ambushed and trapped 3 Legions deep in the dark forest far from home and destroyed them. Game Set Match

[@newpinglegend9304]

@Igor Miele They would have been far less likely to win. That's the Roman element. The blueprint for winning was for the Germans to take the Romans out of their element and put them into their own. It was very much a terrain decision. I'm not sure staging a battle to be on favorable terrain for your side, would have been considered dishonorable. Arminius was well aware what could happen if the Romans could operate in formations. That's exactly what he intended to take away.

[@____-ju6mx]

@Igor Miele there is no ''honor'' in war. either you win by any means necessary or you perish

[@jameskelman9856]

I don't think that you would here the chirping of birds once the battle sounds died as much as it would have been the gleeful calls of ravens and crows announcing the banquet laid out before them . Subscribed .

[@carlomariaromano4320]

The Aftermath of Teutoburg Forest was brutal and you can feel sorry for the captured soldiers. But then again, Romans crucified 6,000 of the captured and defeated Spartacus' followers along the 200 km Appian Way, just to frighten other slaves from revolting. Image going down the Appian Way and seeing right and left 6000 tortured men in agony, crying, moaning, and nearly suffocating. This picture filled me with horror and sent shivers down my spine. It made the Aftermath of the Teutoburg Forest looking nearly tame.

[@Cumulo9]

6000 is small pancake. a mongol army on their war path would do that every other day. remember cities like Merv, Nishapur, Samarkand, literally 6 to 7 figure of population EACH were slaughtered. The son of Genghis Khan sat on a throne and just watched hundreds of thousands of civilians distributed among his soldiers and slaughtered, outside the city walls of Merv.

[@LintonHerbert]

True. The Romans weren't the only ones who would make any decent person want to puke.

[@b.r.holmes6365]

Thank you for covering this topic. Even since reading about how the tribes sacrificed captured Romans and placing their bodies in bogs, I've been equally horrified and fascinated.

[@fr-tigerfangs7039]

This is the stuff of good movies! Imagine depicting one of the Roman survivors trying to flee the battle to make it back to his own lines in the dark, hostile forrest, surrounded by wolves and being stalked by German warriors. That would be something to watch!

[@ragingcamper3967]

The art is just so beautiful

[@j.b.4340]

I knew the story, but your telling of it really brought it to life.

[@secrated]

Maaaaan if history was explained this well including this fantastic animation or art, it would attract so much attention to people. :D

[@B0M0A0K]

Why was it a "tragedy"? The Romans were an invading army and they were treated as such, the locals fighting for their lives and their homes. It's all about perspective and history is written by the victors. From the "enemy" perspective this was probably a great victory as they drove off savage invaders. It was war, pure and simple. Having said that, this was a great video and, as others have already said, the graphics are amazing. Great job.

[@5962sak]

Arminius is seen as a hero by many Germans. There are two statues of him, one in Germany & one in New Ulm, MN

[@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

"History is written by the victor" is such a stupid and over-simplified saying. It's wrong more often than not.

[@Exgrmbl]

@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa what is true however is that history is written by those who can write

[@cabeladkins145]

I believe this is what the series “Barbarians” is about. Highly recommend. I didn’t know it had a historical basis until now!

[@Wuestenkarsten]

Wow...not interested in History?? History is much more better to learn from than anything else....because it´s repeating all the Time....only different Flags, Names,Areas.....but the System/Procedure is nearly every Time the same.

[@honkytonk4465]

@@Wuestenkarsten much more better???

[@cabeladkins145]

@@Wuestenkarsten what? I'm obviously interested in history, otherwise I wouldn't be watching this. Maybe this comment was for someone else

[@christopherburnham1612]

Wasn't it Augustus who would go through his palace crying Varus bring back my legions

[@amsuther]

and those three named legions would never be reformed ...

[@johnldowning641]

I think it could have been Cladius?

[@johnldowning641]

Yes sorry it is Augustus matey 👍

[@ArchCone]

The art as always is just so beautiful.

[@Michael-wn4jj]

Most noticeable that the germanic tribes living in sight of a highly developed culture but never mentioned to join that roman life style. At the end the common roman life might not been that attractive like a free life in the forrest wilderness.

[@jhwheuer]

2000 years do sloth off details rather thoroughly.

[@trade1713]

I crave lush forest wilderness. Maybe this is where I was in my previous life.

[@cedriceric9730]

They were not a developed people! Something was wrong about them Romans!! They were very poor and survived by only by extreme slavery and political manipulations, they were also peverted The Roman system was everything that's wrong when democracy is perverted The concept is right but it was just a concept that modern society is applying today If we truly used the Roman system we would have a super dictatorship over the planet and endless war and slavery of everyone and consumption of immeasurable magnitude They were to be resisted at all cost!!

[@NoBootyBeauty]

"Highly developed" where? They had limited success in battle outside of a landscaped field. Their "inventions" were borrowed from other cultures. They killed and enslaved at whim. I'm sorry for your ignorance.

[@martinwarner1178]

@@cedriceric9730 Wow. Great true comment, no tribe (except one) no culture, no ancestors, just MONEY FOR THE FEW!

[@scox7748]

Absolutely love the way your mind is forced to imagine details or individuals by recounts like this. Imagine squatting behind a half buried, mossy treetrunk, listening to the crash of soldiers hunting for you. Screams as they find your mates. Pressing your face against the bark trying to breathe quietly...

[@MithridatesOfficial]

It's truly amazing how close you are to a million subs now.. I remember when you were under 100k. Knew you'd continue to grow and educate.. I always look forward to your videos and wish you the best in the future. 🙏

[@HoH]

This is so beautifully done. Very interesting to watch, and the artwork is absolutely incredible.

[@matthewbadley5063]

I would love to see an Aftermath of some more famous WW1 battles, like Verdun, Ypres, and Isonzo. Places that were fought over in multiyear battles of attrition.

[@jasperzanovich2504]

The most obvious aftermath is that to this day bombs kill innocent people in that region. Or at least endanger, they have become really good at checking for bombs in those places.

[@bliecoug1029]

Isonzo was pretty much when terrain makes it easier for your enemy

[@이우찬-s2r]

Great video as always, and speaking about aftermaths - Cannae would make an superb video, with the survivors being regrouped into the so-called legiones Cannenses and all. I think Livy has some of his most brutal descriptions with the mopping-up action besides the Aufidius. Definitely hyped.

[@jasondelrosario5523]

LOL! HANNIBAL BARCA OWNED ROME ON AN EPIC SCALE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[@adriennekulcsar7734]

@@jasondelrosario5523 Hannibal ended his own life by suicide with poison after Scipio kicked his ass at Zama....and 70 years Carthage was wiped off the face of the Earth and it's people sold into slavery...WHO OWNED WHO?

[@w1darr]

"They would have no mercy for those who committed such an act of aggression" - It was the Romans who invaded. It was the Romans who have been the aggressors.

[@gordonlekfors2708]

yea, that part could have been better scripted.

[@magnusmcgraw]

Of course the ambush was well planned, Arminius, the head of the whole thing, was trained in Roman warfare through his years of fighting for the Romans. He was also snatched from his German tribe as a hostage for Rome. A common pledge of Rome from their oppressed peoples.

[@HRTWARRIOR]

Last Time I was this early, Constantinopole was a beautiful Roman Capital.

[@lucasabdielsampaio3556]

Oh boy, that's the best comment my imperial eyes had ever seen.

[@danielchequer5842]

Last time I was this early, Drusus was still in charge of pacifying Germania

[@eodyn7]

MAKE ISTANBUL CONSTANTINOPLE AGAIN

[@OptimusPater87]

Holy smokes you guys are getting slick at making these. Amazing format, and as always very well narrated 👍

[@andyml1]

Students of the Varus disaster owe a huge debt of gratitude to retired British Army officer Tony Clunn who discovered the battle site.

[@roberth5767]

He did quite well for a weekend metal detector!

[@HighlanderNorth1]

✔️ I've always dreamt about discovering the remnants from the historical battles involving the Romans, as well as WW1 and WW2. Of course history teaches us that some battles were fought in forests, like ^this one. Others were fought on great, open plains, as in WW2. So I went to work, searching throughout the great plains of Nebraska and Iowa, and the dense forests of Maine, but I've found nothing as of yet....... What am I doing wrong!? 🤔

[@graceamerican3558]

@@HighlanderNorth1 lol Thank you.

[@christian_traxler]

@@HighlanderNorth1 Nothing! You move your body and get some fresh air. That's the real treasure.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

@@christian_traxler ☑️ Ahh, so I'm "rich in health", despite my fruitless searches??

[@interestedbystander196]

There is one key learning point to be gleaned from this, which is supported by two major stories from Roman times... If you want to beat a Roman Legion, do not face them in the field. A legion on open ground was all but unbeatable ... except, maybe, by a bigger legion. The Teuteburg Forest battle, and the legend of what is supposed to have happened to the Ninth Legion when they went North in Brittania, shows how the tribes beat the technologically superior Romans by hitting them when they were strung out in marching array in a forest.

[@afternoobtea914]

How come everyone is calling Hermann (Arminius) a traitor? He was true to his original people. He should be adressed as a hero since he hindered the enslaving romans to get any further north at the time.

[@monikagrosch9632]

He IS considered a HERO in Germany there is a song about it ‘ Als die Römer frech geworden, zogen sie nach Deutschland’s Norden’ you can Google it

[@rogerhwerner6997]

Peter S. Wells was involved in the archaeological investigation of this battle site and his fascinating book, 'The Battle that Stopped Rome' presents some of the grimmer discoveries including descriptions of the bodies of sacrificial victims. Those killed in battle or the immediate aftermath slaughter were indeed the lucky ones.

[@AceTheCap823]

Damn…what happened to the victims? Like how were they sacrificed?

[@emperorkraglint9792]

Please do more aftermaths. This is honestly helpful for me personally as a writer. And I think I can safely say other find this insight quite unique to learn

[@InvictaHistory]

Glad you found it helpful. If you are looking to better ground your writing I'd also recommended our "How they did it" series on daily life in the past

[@juliusaugustus791]

In the second book of "The Eagles of Rome series " series by Ben Kane ( which is the best book series ever ), he describes the return of the roman legion to the teutoburger forest in great detail. I recommend reading it 200 %

[@lappesjl1]

Excellent video. I, with the help of other distant family members, were able to trace our family back to about 1100 AD. My family seems to have originated very close to the Teutoburg. We are pretty sure our family was a member of the Cherusci tribe. A distant cousin that lives in Paderborn, DE has some ancient relics (coins & a couple of rings) that were supposedly passed down the generations (I have some doubts (they could have been found in the forest.)).

[@WestfaliaStuff]

When you go for a picnic in the woods and the trees start singing 'Feuer Frei'

[@girthbrooks39]

This was great! Subscriber opinion as per your request- really enjoyed this topic/ lesser known aspects concerning that which follows conflicts, battles, and warfare. Covering seldom mentioned matter's is absolutely fascinating to me considering how long I've wondered about such things and how unsaturated these topics are. I highly recommend you continue down this path shedding light on the less illuminated aspects. Thank you for the quality content.

[@InvictaHistory]

Thanks for the feedback! I'd say our "How They Did It" series on daily life in the past is one of those.

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

Man, can you imagine what it must've felt like as the victor to just demolish the romans like that? The yells of battle giving way to stillness, and you realize you survived. You'd won. I bet it was quite pleasant.

[@hiddenwoodsben]

i bet for many it was a time spiritual unrest, given both the magnitude of the deed itself and the "proof" that the "gods" were with them. i bet 90% of the arms and armour plundered ended up in the bogs around teutoburg.

[@hiddenwoodsben]

@George Lynch Dixon i think it's a mix of a) different times and culture b) peer pressure and c) hatred. think about it:for 300 years germanic people had been stolen andd enslaved by romans and the tenkterer, brukterer and cherusker knew that. and those very romans marching through *their* turf had every intent to keep that up. we probably just cant imagine what they felt.

[@codymarkley8372]

@George Lynch Dixon group think, hatred, and the nature of battle then, as well as common duties probably made it easier than the modern among us can imagine. People back then had to hack up animals, their religious services often involved animal sacrifice, sometimes human. Culture was far more brutal, and they didn't have psychologists to say " hey that's wrong," or someone to say "I am offended,"

[@cmdrfrosty3985]

@@hiddenwoodsben you could argue the Romans had the same view because they just kept crossing the Rhine and raiding Gaul.

[@gotzvonberlichingen8210]

@@hiddenwoodsben Arms, armor and heads of the defeated ended up in the Holy-Oak at the Sacred-Forest.

[@bootpringle7241]

The reason for the hanging was because Odin (Wotan to the Germanic tribes who were the ancestors of the Vikings) hung himself from yggdrasil for nine days and nights with gungnir thrust into his side to learn the runes

[@PalleRasmussen]

We have no idea of that. Nothing.

[@jordinagel1184]

@@PalleRasmussen of what? That that is the reason why they did that? Or that their god Wotan had done that? Sources as always are scarce in that region. It seems like a plausible theory, and I don’t think there’s anything to disprove that.

[@PalleRasmussen]

@@jordinagel1184 the absence of evidence is not evidence. That is not how things work. We know very little of what the German tribes believed in at this time, though Tacitus mentions Nerthus. The earliest evidence of something that can be interpreted as Odin/Wotan is the 5th century or thereabouts on the Brakteates and Guldgubber. Hence there is no evidence of any worship of Odin at this time that you assert. You might as well say that they worshipped Huitzilopochtli as they both sacrificed people on altars. So sorry, as a historian, I find nothing supporting your claim.

[@MrElis420]

@@PalleRasmussen It's annoying when people try to invoke modern interpretations of Norse Gods considering all of it is basically bullshit, and first written about after the 12th Century. We literally know like you said, almost nothing about who the Germanic tribes worshipped, and I'm sure different tribes worships different gods anyway.

[@jordinagel1184]

@@PalleRasmussen you’re wrong on one account there, because it’s very likely that the Germanic people already worshipped Wotan by the time of Caesar. Tacitus cites the latter as saying that the Germans worshipped the likes of Mercury and Mars; obviously they did not worship those gods specifically, but they have clear counterparts in what we now know about the Germanic/norse pantheon. Mars is Tyr, and Mercury is most likely Wotan (what with them having clear roles as travelers) that at least most scholars seem to agree on. Plus, you act as though this is some hugely outlandish claim when it’s not. Guess what, there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of your exaggerated fantasy scenario. You know for what there is at least some evidence? The OG comment. Very different things, and that you claim to be a historian despite not realizing that is telling. However, I would make one amendment to the OG comment: namely, instead of saying “This is why they did it,” use “This is MOST LIKELY why they did it.” That should appease your skeptic heart, should it not? History is full of conjectures we can never fully prove anyway, so if you want absolute proof for everything, I’m afraid you’ve chosen the wrong field.

[@MyHam-os4bq]

This is why I love archeologists. They find a dirty bell and make up a whole entire story about it

[@frekitheravenous516]

As a descendant of ancient Germania....the story of the battle or Teutoburg forest always makes me smile. Some of the "Career Corruptionists" in power today need a lesson like that.

[@newmoonwithface]

Longest way to say your from germany

[@deirdregibbons5609]

Beautiful artwork from your art team, as well as beautiful animations. The image of the survivor pointing out battle sites was especially evocative. It almost looked as though the man might have lost part of his arm and hand in the battle or slavery. His arm is covered by a cloak or scarf, so it's open to interpretation.

[@patrickquinlan67]

Tragedy? I doubt that the Germans would have agreed. Interesting video. Much appreciated.

[@seb_5969]

I doubt anyone in europe apart from the romans would agree. They didnt side with the romans because of sympathy but of fear from the brutish way rome treated its rivals

[@Philipp.of.Swabia]

The Romans were the aggressors in Germany, and yes the Germanics were cruel, but that was tradition, and you do everything to protect Whats yours I guess.

[@Philipp.of.Swabia]

@no step on snek! the Germanic didn’t have only mud huts, against common believe, they weren’t „barbarians“.

[@seb_5969]

@no step on snek! like snek?

[@Philipp.of.Swabia]

@no step on snek! they weren’t, get your history right…only because one culture is more ahead ( in this case the Romans ) doesn’t mean that the other culture is barbaric and dumb…I’m not even gonna argue with you about that stuff, take a book about the Germanic tribes, about the Suebi, or the Marcomanni and read it, then come back.

[@Bogdan-uu5oe]

Invicta can you talk about Dacian wars and the aftermath of the Roman conquest.

[@Bogdan-uu5oe]

@@chrisbruhe Eu am vorbit de Dacia, iar războiale daco-romane sunt destul de semnificative în istoria Romei. Cineva care urmărește un canal care are ca element central Imperiul Roman a auzit sigur de daci, aici nu e vorba de oameni care nu au niciun interes pentru ce se întâmplă în afara comunității lor.

[@whatthehellimbored]

Act of aggression?!? The Romans invaded thier home! The Germans just defended themselves.

[@ratatoskr1069]

Nice to notice isnt it? There is no end to propaganda! It is sickening!

[@ulfrikstriker9924]

Germanic people have had false propaganda pushed on them for thousands of years. The Roman fears the German. Hail Odin

[@ulfrikstriker9924]

@P4ouR 4 Yes.

[@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

The three legions that were ambushed were literally there to make allies

[@ulfrikstriker9924]

@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa Maybe, but it doesn't change the fact that the Roman's were colonizing germania.

[@TheEudaemonicPlague]

I really didn't expect to learn much--most videos on the subject say much the same things, but I learned plenty from this.

[@aaronwalker4017]

Between the art.. Well timed and picked music.. Narration.. All these combine to these videos that keep getting better and better

[@hatuletoh]

"Excavations continue to uncover more of this 2000 year old tragedy..." That's a matter of perspective. I think the Germanic tribes would have described the event more along the lines of "just retribution for Roman incursions and attempted hegemony." Never the less, I understand why history views this as a tragedy: people have an inherent preference for a "fair fight," and Teutoberg seems like anything but. It's one thing for soldiers to die in open combat, knowing what they're marching themselves into; it's a different story when those soliders are literally trying to walk home. But they still were soliders, and the reason they were walking home was because they'd been occupying someone else's land. Yes, there was an element of deception and betrayal, but the Roman army was still a legitimate military target. The camp followers...somewhat less so.

[@jasperzanovich2504]

You run around with an army you better know what you are running after.

[@redsimonyt]

@Igor Miele The Romans only got close enough to the Germanic tribes by invading the land of other tribes. Besides it is debatable which is worse, invasion and annexation or raids.

[@DolcheGuevara]

BRAVO

[@jaygolden1885]

If you’re in a war, FairPlay is already out the window

[@gotzvonberlichingen8210]

The only rule that counts in a fight is, "Decipiat et vincere" cheat and win.

[@KonekoEalain]

A very human perspective on an important event in military history. Imagine what the victorious pagan Germans must have felt as they sacrificed living Romans, I wonder if their stomachs turned or if they took that disregard for human life back home. Imagine how it must have felt to know that your family member was given to a foreign god as an offering, I wonder if the average Roman wanted to return that brutality or if they reflected on the consequences of imperialist expansion.

[@Northstar1989]

This wasn't the "imperialist expansion" of later European empires. The Germans regularly engaged in cross-border raid against Roman lands: just like the Gauls had done before them. It's a lot different to cross a river and conquer a tribe that regularly burns your villages (more Romans lived in small rural villages than in the great cities, for most of Roman history) and rapes your women, than it is to get on a boat and sail halfway around the world to conquer a people who pose no threat to you for their resources. 20th century notions of Imperialism bear no relevance to the Romans. The Germans, like the Gauls before them, were fractitious and often violent tribes with whom no lasting peace was possible (for, without any written language or a centralized leadership, there was no way to sign a permanent peace treaty) and posed a MAJOR threat to the Romans. Indeed, they later sacked Rome herself. It was no great evil for the Romans to try to conquer them: ending the constant internecine warfare between tribes as well as the raids into Roman lands...

[@KonekoEalain]

@@Northstar1989 Expansion of Roman Imperium*

[@RinoGato]

I'll try to keep this one short - Surely they wanted to return that brutality, as pretty much all people even nowadays would want to do after suffering such a blow. In their mind, the romans did nothing wrong, they thought they were in the right so getting slaughtered like sheep must've felt stunning and infuriating for them. Now to the part of their people getting sacrificed to "pagan gods" - That's exactly what the romans did themselves. Now first thing to clear up - The romans didn't see them as pagan gods, romans pretty much accepted that the gods of other cultures were real too and they incorporated some into their own pantheon, as they did with the greek gods. For example during Boudicas revolt in Britannia, the roman governor Paulinius was campaigning in Wales (Mona iirc) and he involuntarily participated in a huge human sacrifice (the druids and women on the island apparently let themselves be slaughtered on purpose and one of the last surviving women lit a huge bonfire beneath the dead) and that was seen as a very bad omen because again, for the romans other gods were pretty much real. Don't forget - This was long before christianity took over. Now back to my point - Historia Civilis has a pretty good video about roman triumphs. All triumphs ended with the romans killing often thousands of people by strangling. Even tho they said it wasn't some human sacrifice, they did this in front of the temple of Jupiter in Rome EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. a triumph was held. So the romans did human sacrifices themselves. So for them, it was the utmost barbaric thing to sacrifice humans, but being full of double standard as always, the romans were in no way better.

[@davidolien2828]

The archaeological museum on the site is spectacular.

[@jimfowler5930]

Ausgezeichnet! Ich habe alles genßen! Vielen Dank.

[@AbhishekSharma-sw9rj]

Invicta: let me know if u want to know of the aftermath of other famous battles. I: yes, yes, yes...

[@mysticnovelbro]

"They were ritualistically hung" dude, they were neither shlong-possessors or tapestries. They were *HANGED

[@darthcalanil5333]

I mean... You know what they say about Italian shlongs 🤣

[@mysticnovelbro]

@@darthcalanil5333 south of bologna, though. anyone north of that line can't do the deed worth a damn well, that's how the lore tells it lol

[@bunzeebear2973]

Hanged(which is in present tense) hung is in past tense. Penises had nothing to do with it...that is 20th century slang.

@@bunzeebear2973 if they're caught they're hung! Not necessarily..

[@c.norbertneumann4986]

German here. What is a shlong? Couldn't find that word in a dictionary.

[@thedarkflameknight7942]

this was a great video. Thank you for all your work.

[@robertwaddell8514]

Where has this channel been all my life!!

[@HistoryJunkie]

Another great video! Very well put together!

[@HRTWARRIOR]

It was uploaded 10 mind ago. You are here in 7

[@HistoryJunkie]

@@HRTWARRIOR make sure you have the bell on

[@clem8818]

How are you able to use Total War soundtrack without getting strikes from KZbin?

[@mrtibbz10]

Why don't you shut your mouth, Sir.

[@clem8818]

@@mrtibbz10 Eh? Why is that?

[@dannagonetofar7352]

Magic

[@dannagonetofar7352]

@@mrtibbz10 stfu

[@manindescript9861]

It's the Rome 2 soundtrack. Nobody cares because it's so forgettable.

[@Friggasdottir44]

I don't consider Arminius a traitor, but a hero, in the fashion of William Wallace, Vercingetorix and Boudicea who defended their people from the tyrannical rule of the Roman Empire.

[@yeahmydudes]

This.

[@ArcAudios77]

Impressive Artworks upon this Historic Video. Well done, you're class.

[@RodRoz707]

I've been fascinated by history my entire life and this video was extremely well presented. I subbed and look forward to more of your amazing content

[@evan777evan]

Awesome video! I'd love to see more battle aftermaths

[@Jelle1880]

That one tribe's leader who was like 'Nah fam, not getting involved in this shit' was probably the smartest person around.

[@cmdrfrosty3985]

Guess who wasn't slaughtered? His tribe was spared from the imperial wrath when Tiberius and germanicus eventually came back to take back the eagles and kill arminius.

[@ronaldwinfield307]

I definitely like this video. I usually call Arminius Hermann & esteem him as a hero. I have done so since I was a child. My interest in this subject was caused by my British & German ancestry.

[@Wuestenkarsten]

Hermann der Cherusker ....to be specifically. Now to find in Detmold.....which isn´t the exactly Place of the Battle, but who cares.....;-)

[@ronaldwinfield307]

@@Wuestenkarsten Thank you for that information. As for the question you put forth I think the answer will be found

[@ronaldwinfield307]

@@Wuestenkarsten Thank you for the information. As for the location of Detmold I think we will find out.

[@ronaldwinfield307]

@@Wuestenkarsten From now on instead of calling him Hermann the Barbarian I will call him Hermann der Cherusker.

[@danielsmith9548]

Arminius only delayed the inevitable with far less than honorable tactics.

[@samacmaca8144]

First time watcher and it won't be my last. Great channel.

[@WedgeBoyd27]

Invicta, I love your films and I find them better than any documentary's I see on TV. I would like to humbly make a suggestion for your channel. The Iceni Rebellion, before, during and it's aftermath. Keep up the good work

[@juergenweber2677]

"...such an act of aggression"? "..traitor Arminius"? "...savages"? Nice production. But as it claims to be a documentary, I am missing objectivity. The Germanic tribes were surpressed, enslaved and killed for centuries, as it happened to the native population of nowadays France beforehand. The Romans did not march into the Germanic lands looking for peace, they wanted to conquer them. It was an act of self defense what the Germanic tribes did. I think adding some more background context and showing also the Germanic perspective besides the Roman, would not harm but enrich such productions

[@brandonselitetv1436]

Yes but people forget not all the Germanic tribes were with Arminus

[@quietone748]

I used to live in Germany and my parents-in-law had their house right at the base of the hill that the monument to Arminius stands on. Those woods are very, very still and spooky, I can confirm that. There are several star-shaped fortifications that still lie underneath the underbrush that attest to the battles that were fought there.

[@rigel1176]

You know that we Germans love our woods ..... see the painted picture " tausend jährige Eiche Deutsche Romantik " ....... it was our old religion ( Odin and Thor ......) may you catch a little touch of it .......

[@carnalea2424]

I assume you are referring to Hermannsdenkmal near Detmold?.

[@jimrutherford2773]

I have been to the actually battlefield in Germany and was fortunate enough to get a private tour by the archeologist who discovered the battlefield. I met him in the elevator going up to the lookout tower at the battlefield and he just so happened to be there doing a book signing event. Of course, after our tour I bought and had him sign the book on the battle. I advise anyone who has not been there to go and see it first hand.

[@arthurvandeman]

brilliant delivery, it all comes 2gether, the artwork, graphics, narration and research, just fantas!

[@critr41]

I really enjoyed this video. The artwork is amazing.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

When I first read it, I thought it said Tannenberg. I was wondering "What are the Teutonic Knights up to?... "And why do they look all Roman and stuff?"

[@Alex-vq9vj]

The forest which marks the most northern hill region of current Germany is called the Teutoburger Wald. Greetings from there!