Involuntary commitment with Dr. Dinah Miller

[@davidzaiser9929]

Forced Care is not care....it is abuse!

[@kimberlietaylor7706]

Nah.. when family tries very hard to get a pt admitted for psychiatric help but patients refuses..few days later same patients kills entire family including children...ask that family about involuntary committment!! Oh can't because their DEAD...

[@rumls4drinkin]

Involuntary commitment has a 2000% increase in suicide rate compared to non hospitalized people with similar conditions following the "treatment" for a few years according some European studies. We don't track that data or discuss it stateside.

[@davidzaiser9929]

I understand why. If a person isn't suicidal when they are involuntarily committed, they will be by the time they get released. It is that traumatic. In no way can this be construed as care. Instead it is abuse. Imagine somebody locking you in a closet for a week to protect you....total abuse!

[@heatherhough1538]

OMG.......it is so sad......rape....sex trafficking....by religious ppl....who are in a cult...it is sick

[@LiquidDemocracyNH]

Hi, I was involved in a mutual aid group that helps the homeless, i also worked at a shelter (admittedly it was only for four months but it made an impact.) One night at the shelter i remember one of the people who usually stayed there wasnt around, he was put in prison. One of my coworkers said it was "probably for the best" that he had gone there because it could help him sober up. I had to linger on this. Im a Leftist and everyone in my social circles thinks of the war on drugs and imprisoning of addicts as a deeply horrible and unjust system, but thinking about it directly i had to admit...how bad was it really for someone currently homeless to be in a prison if it means they're separated from addictive substances? Of course, i still had lingering disagreements: our prisons are cruel, theres nothing stopping him from using the second he gets out, what if he sobers up and then still has to spend years in prison?, etc. But it made me think: "what if everyone in the building was forced into rehab right now, whether they liked it or not?" If i am completely honest with myself, this would have clearly been massively beneficial for many of them. Many of them were going to spend the rest of their life just feeding their addictions if no one intervenes. The Left has no real answer to our drug epidemic. All we have is criticisms of the one actual attempt to do something about drugs: The War on Drugs. I'm not saying the war on drugs shouldn't be criticized, but what do we get if we get everything we want? Well, we get a society where drugs are a thriving industry, because they would probably be decriminalized rather than legalized, they'd also be an unregulated industry. No state interventions to protect people from an industry that preys on them: yeah, sounds super Anti-Capitalist to me🙄. Then, if we're lucky, we get well-funded, free to access and full voluntary rehab facilities. If we hope really hard, maybe we even get and end to poverty as we know it. For one thing, this presumes that we can do absolutely nothing about drugs as a problem in our current society, instead we need to literally end poverty to take action. But for another thing, this DOES NOT solve the problem. This would still mean our society makes it incredibly easy to try an addictive substance for the first time. It would mean that anyone who hasn't yet chosen to go to a rehab would be continuing to harm themselves and others with the effects of their addiction. It also assumes that the ONLY reason people aren't going to rehab is a lack of resources. That the only reason people are turning to drugs is scarcity and poverty. And that is simply scientifically false. Substance dependency is real, it is chemical, not social. I don't doubt that being poor and deprived of any life opportunity makes it harder to quit, or worsens addiction, but it is not the SOLE cause of it. In such a society where Rehab is fully voluntary, one could also leave rehab at any time. WHAT GOOD IS A REHAB IF YOU CAN JUST WALK OUT WHEN YOU LOSE THE WILLPOWER TO CONTINUE RESISTING THE URGE TO USE? The WHOLE POINT is that you are placing yourself somewhere you can't use. And besides, even if you did stay until you were fully sober, why should the entire world outside of rehab be a place where temptation is omni-present? Why shouldn't the whole country or the whole world just be one big rehab? Maybe some minor substances like alcohol or marijuana can be consumed in moderation, but heavy drugs like heroin, crack, meth, etc. There is NO REASON to be using any of those substances at all. There is no such thing as a moderate and responsible meth consumer. So why not make all of society a rehab?, when someone is found to have those substances, they are immediately taken from them. And the depth of privacy of ordinary citizens should be massively restricted to ensure they don't have any substances in their possession. (Just like how at a rehab, your possessions can be looked through to make sure you don't have any drugs.) But aside from this there should be no punishment. The goal after all, is not to punish addicts, it is to separate them from their addiction. The obvious first steps to such an approach are: 1: stop imprisoning addicts 2: instead involuntarily send them to a rehab they are not allowed to leave until they're thoroughly sober. 3: massive increase in funding for rehabs so that they have plenty of beds and resources to handle the massive influx of people 4: routine drug searches in homes, at least the homes of those who were previously addicted, but honestly I'd be open to just searching everyone's homes. Especially since, remember, you won't be taken to prison if you have drugs in your possession, just rehab. These steps are to be paired with, not replaced by, programs to end homelessness and poverty. I genuinely can't tell from listening to this podcast whether or not Dinah Miller or the Book Committed are pro- or anti- involuntary care. But I really deeply hope they're pro, because we need someone smart fighting for it.

[@dm5129]

There is something many are not aware of, human trafficking exists in this field too. Involuntary treatment and then grooming the patient to see the psychiatrist as a surrogate partner, to then deciding over the patients fate by attempting to get that patient to meet prospects for partnership. To be treated like human cattle, after all the pain of surviving PTSD, stalking, repeated harassment...................

[@heatherhough1538]

That is what is and did happen to me...yes....it exists....it is dangerous, mind control, paid off Psych QUACKS...and PAID Lawyers...so these men can come have sex with these women....and then call them the town prostitute...it happened to me in Canton SD...and is NOW...and they sterilized me...illegally...and burnt me..and are destroying my body..and then when I ask for help...the paid QUACKS say a person is crazy....and then feed me at night because I do not eat much, just so they have a HOLE

[@davidzaiser9929]

You need to be locked up. Experience some "care".

[@heatherhough1538]

My lawyer said...if they call you crazy...they are one of the ones that are part of the sex trafficking and rape....I think all the Psych Dr.s need to be locke up for rape and torture

[@ox8833]

WOW people being mad for being locked up. Strange. Idiots