Why the Legal Standard for Involuntary Commitment to Mental Hospitals Doesn't Matter (Much)

Clinical Professor of Law Mark Heyrman delivered this lengthily titled CBI on November 6, 2007. His description of the talk is below: "In the 1970's most states tightened their standards for involuntary commitment. During the past fifteen years the movement has been in the opposite direction-relaxing those standards. This talk will apply ideas developed by former Law School Dean Norval Morris to explore the effects (if any) these changes have had and will have on the number of persons involuntarily confined in psychiatric hospitals and why other institutional arrangements are substantially more important in explaining past and future fluctuations in the number of such commitments."
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[@coocoo5756]

So a police officer can send you to a hospital with little to no training in mental health. That should scare everyone. If your ranting to the police to show how your displeased with law enforcement. They can assume your mentally ill cause you don’t like them wtf

[@billybandyk0720]

Coo Coo; Sorry 2 hear about ur un4tun8 experiences. W/that said; POLICE = Politically Obnoxious Lunatics Instigate Corruption Everyday.

[@scottjacobson4765]

EXACTLY WHATS ALREADY OCCURRED COUPLE WEEKS AGO TOO TRIED AGAIN SINCE 2018 HAVENT AFTER ALMOST GETTING SHOT

[@scottjacobson4765]

Already you bet ya

[@indigobunting2431]

Ex parte? My mendacious neighbor's healthcare aide got me admitted in the basis of lies told in a 911 call (she saw "homicidal intent" in my eyes). The hospital held me 17 days, including two "continuations" ascribed, falsely, to me, even though Ihad already written my own Habeas Corpus" petition because I could not reach a lawyer. The police submitted a false affidavit, ascribed to a friend of mine who saw no acts or threats. The psychiatrist invented all sorts of lies (after injecting me with drugs that he was told I had allergies to), just to bolster his case against me. The judge -- a man who had helped to fire me years before -- threw out my case at the emergency hearing, because of Sixth Amendment "confrontation" issues (no witness). Later I found out that perhaps 2% of cases win at the commitment hearing. I still do not know who phoned in the complaint against me, even though my file is 500 pages thick... but she throws geriatric-style trash under my bushes to remind me of her opinion of me. And I got my invoice, two items, for $21,060 after 15 months, though I refused all treatments. Why is this not a civilly unjust "taking"? No other "health" patients who specifically refuse care still pay for incarceration.

[@rolewine]

What have you been able to do about getting your civil rights back? Every Attorney I've talked to (probably a couple hundred) over the years...Most of them will agree with you on the legality of it, but will be damned if they will represent you in court. The only one that would talk to me, cost $1000 an hour for consultation & a retainer of $10-$15,000 after that. I would love to get a class action lawsuit against the Government and take back our rights. It's time. I've been Involuntarily committed for a "mental health" brain check 8 times in 3 years...4 of them during the Pandemic. I live alone. No one bothers with me to if I'm still breathing, but let me try to get someone to help me or I yell at someone...Immediate 302. Anyone in the world is allowed to rip my civil rights away without my consent...No warrant, no doctor, no reason...Then when you get to the ER In 2022 the little security guards with their plastic badge can hold you down while the doctor's sedate you b/c you are asking for a lawyer. Nope all they have to say was I was starting to get dangerous in they were afraid. Just like the idiot police that have to show up like they're going to war. 50 of them fully armorer and weaponized fearing for their lives because their is a teenager with a knife 1/2 mile away. On a roll now...better stop before someone thinks they might be in danger of me. Hope to hear back from you. So hard to do this alone.

[@wolfhater92]

I never speak to anyone about how I feel. This is crazy that all it takes is a word of concern. I had a family member that was in a divorce and a neighbor claimed that he was acting strange. Neighbor was also friends with his ex wife, Coincidentally. He was held for 2days.

[@EBR1]

I wouldn't speak to anybody about how I feel either, tbh. Even if I thought I was mentally ill, I'd be very careful who I reach out to support.

[@coocoo5756]

I made the mistake of expressing how I felt with law enforcement. Ranting to them. They threw me in a mental hospital. Didn’t know expressing yourself to law enforcement is a mental disorder smfh. Currently sueing the police department and hospital for such poor training.

[@VictoriaPimentel-v4j]

Hi, I had a similar experience except it was with the sheriff's department. I complained to the police station about possible violence in an apartment complex and he came back to me saying that I needed to speak to a therapist because my hearing wasn't right. They kept slamming the doors at night and they smoked weed; yet, he failed to check and claimed there was something wrong with me instead. I have submitted a civil complaint. @@coocoo5756

[@VictoriaPimentel-v4j]

TBH, I think they were being racist.

[@billybandyk0720]

​@@coocoo5756Yup; the hypocrisy w/in law enforcement & healthcare. BTW; POLICE = Politically Obnoxious Lunatics Instigate Corruption Everyday.

[@indigobunting2431]

Worth listening to. Police should be asked to listen, as well as.psychiatric workers.

[@user-qk3sc8rq9r]

Our judicial systems a joke. Troubled citizens are routinely confined without cause based simply be the question: are you a danger to yourself or others? NOT a yes or no question.

[@Mi-cha-el-Edward-Lee]

I was last commited by the same "family" that "sodomized" me as a child, and bragged publicly about how bad of a child I was. I was arrested for identifying a "chief player" in a child molesting ring. I was grossly diagnosed with grandiosity, and belligerence by sick people who "demanded" I refer to them as "doctor".

[@rolewine]

You must be a resident of PA

[@Mi-cha-el-Edward-Lee]

@@rolewine 12550

[@billybandyk0720]

All that it takes 2 involuntary commit some1 is paranoia by the petitioner. Just bc u don't like how some1 behaves in ur presence DOES NOT WARRANT INVOLUNTARY HOSPITALIZATIONS!!!!! If so; then the PETITIONER is the 1 who needs the involuntary hospitalization (not the "respondant").

[@scottjacobson4765]

ATTEMPTED TO TAKE MY TRUST..THEN INVOULENTARILY ADMIT ME, OVER THE FRAUD TO BEGIN WITH LOST 20 YEARS ALREADY..THEN CHIT REALLY AMPED UP! LAST SEVERAL YEARS! LIED ON..FOR MY RIGHT WRIST WORK INJURY...TURNED DEATH SENTENCE

[@south1328]

9:08 did anyone catch that??

[@SweeWheatie]

I was 5150 because I was a victim of domestic violence February 2023. He almost murdered me and I refused the ambulance service and hospital they took me against my will anyway and I had to get an attorney to get out because I refused their help The male nurse tried to “””””FIND PLACEMENT”” and I didn’t know until my attorney looked into it I filed a lawsuit…. I’m going to own them! North Carolina.

[@samuelcardenassalas7651]

So iam a liar that heard this type of words as I discover how to speak without wasting anyone's time but the emergency of the ones who were forced to take what I came to correct

[@elisagriffith1878]

They need to protect innocent people from violent offenders. Here in Pa you must be suicidal or homosidal to get 302. I know personally. A lot of people dont accept theyre sick

[@EBR1]

That's because there's no hard, scientific evidence to prove that they are. There are no biological tests for psychiatric "illnesses". Psychiatrists diagnose you based solely on what you tell them, but never based on any scientific facts.

[@JacksonHansen-xc5kq]

Because they're not. There is no such thing as "mental illness". There's only "personality I don't like" disorders the DSM keeps shoveling out.

[@billybandyk0720]

Ms. Griffith; sounds very "judgemental" on ur part RE: what constitutes as "(mentally) sick".

[@SuperMichelleDJ]

You don't have to be suicidal. People can say that they are suicidal just to get attention.

[@wildfiregirl1556]

And they don't accept they DICKS!!

[@scottjacobson4765]

Embarrassing to them, so YOURE MENTAL