Apple PRO MOTION: Can People Tell The Difference?? (120Hz vs 60Hz)

[@JayStillYung]

This was actually clever to bring non-tech people and see if they notice the difference.

[@dennisp8520]

I like the idea as well I personally wish it was a double blind test though to be honest because I feel like knowing it’s the new phone causes a certain level of bias to believe that it’s smoother

[@carloscampos-kl2kl]

you mean iphone users right cause android users been knowing the difference sinced the galaxy s20😂

[@Whomecouldntb3]

iPhone and Mac users tend to not notice high refresh rate.

[@ron2291]

@@Whomecouldntb3 what?? 🤣 they definitely can. My roommate notices the upgrade on her iPhone.

[@rotimika]

@@carloscampos-kl2kl I think it’s a bit more noticeable due to how android animation is

[@JoshuaChang]

Hello MKBHD fans 👋🏻 big thank you for dropping by, and big thank you Marques for the shoutout! Much love ❤️

[@JayRon2MobileLegends]

You deserve it

[@rapramos5687]

I actually saw your video before MKBHD's shoutout so I was really excited when he referenced it :D

[@gabbparungao]

I saw your video 2 days ago! Instantly remembered your video when he started talking about if normal people noticed any differences between 60-120Hz display. Glad he mentioned you in the process! Congrats!!

[@raghavrmehta]

was so thrilled when i saw him shout you out. I was one of your first 10000 subs and to see you grow so quickly has been a real treat. keep it up man!

[@handlemonium]

Nice work! I'd love to see if the average person would be into switching completely over to modular, repairable devices like the Framework Laptop and Fairphone.

[@ThisWasEpicness]

Apple knows their consumers well, that is why they added this soo late… I cry. Even on their website the 120 feature is far at the bottom for the iPhone pro page… lol. As someone who really cares about 120 it’s very interesting to see other peoples needs

[@flamingkillermc2806]

Not necessarily, it was due to the LTPO display not working well and the batterylife. They said that 120hz was working with a manual toggle, but couldn't get the 10hz to 120hz to work.

[@RED89P13]

They would rather have some gimmick feature than something useful

[@ThisWasEpicness]

@@RED89P13 yea cuz people are dumb to like the gimmick feature better, it's not Apples fault. They would make less gimmick features if people bought less.

[@ThisWasEpicness]

@@flamingkillermc2806 I am pretty sure that if they actually tried they would have had the tech done long ago. They didn't give priority to it and it makes sense why based on this video.

[@internetisinteresting7720]

the iphone screen is not working at 120hz only at 80hz, looks like is software limited, apple is claiming more battery duration scamming people with a lower screen refresh, here you have the test kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHOqnoZqltWNZ8k is compared to a galaxy S21

[@Jberv]

As per MKBHD said, Most people won't recognize the high refresh rate, but if you let them use it for a whole month and go back to 60hz, they will definitely notice it

[@cameraman8329]

Yeah so there isn't really a problem with it

[@MadaraUchiha..]

Why force yourself to notice something that you need to pay extra money for?

[@HyperVanilo]

I'm glad I'm not of those people, as soon as I switch to 120hz on my Poco X3 Pro I can immediately can tell the difference with 60hz

[@cameraman8329]

honestly thats not a good thing. if u were those people you could use 60hz and have amazing battery life. @@HyperVanilo

[@DavidSwift1989]

Yeah, even in 90hz i noticed the difference between the 60hz, I have mi 11 literally 5g ne and change to iphone 13 I can tell the difference

[@austin4702]

You REALLY should have them use the phone for a day and the step back to their 60hz screen. They would notice the difference greatly. 60-120 is nice... 120-60 is agony.

[@MuhammadIhsan390]

Nah,, if it is on a phone then it's not so much. I've tested S21+ with its 120Hz and get back to my iPhone Xs Max and looks like the screen refresh rate difference is just not that big. BUT... If you use a non Pro iPad and compared it to the pro models, especially with apple pencil... That's a HUUUGGEEEE different.

[@erdenezayadagvadorj2894]

Most people are gonna compare iPhone 13 models in a store to make a decision. They're gonna have a limited interaction with the phone like in this video. So I guess most of them won't notice the difference and go for regular iPhone 13.

[@nightwing8666]

Nah on a phone most people won't notice it. 60Hz looks fine for most people.

[@magicman322]

I’ve gone back and forth using, and not using 120 me 60 on my current phone. Completely inconsequential feature for me, personally. So overrated for phones and such a small screen in general but that’s just my take. I’d rather have the battery life back by leaving it off (and I do) than any high refresh on such a small display.

[@Tom_Stevens617]

@@erdenezayadagvadorj2894 Most people I know usually just order what they want online, check it out until the return period ends (which is usually around a week or two for most consumer products), and then decide if they want to keep it or not.

[@klatchabobby]

Omg hearing them talk about "the new stuff" is HILARIOUS. I've never heard non-tech people try to explain new phone features

[@HearMeLearn]

you don't have any non tech friends? that would be most people O.O

[@_stealth_y]

Sinus Lebastian I’d say you don’t talk about phones to those people.

[@li_tsz_fung]

@@_stealth_y And they ask my opinion if they want to know.

[@sonicandroxas]

Must be a basement dweller ahaha

[@SiamHossain7]

@@sonicandroxas bro you play NBA and own a switch, sit down homie

[@GamingScan]

I could immediately tell the difference. Been used to 144Hz+ displays for years now, so it was about time Apple stepped up. The difference is night and day! The superb battery life is a very nice bonus. :)

[@HarrisonLanes]

if you're used to high refresh rate the difference is instant

[@koreskalp]

You’re a nerd, no one really cares that much to put 1k for that. Need to wait next year for the average user

[@HarrisonLanes]

@@koreskalp if you're watching this KZbin video you're probably a nerd

[@koreskalp]

@@HarrisonLanes I sure am 😁

[@peterphanuwat5397]

Basically people with trained eyes will be appreciated this 120Hz screen. But for normal people? Hardly. With the same price tag, one group of people receives more “consumer benefit” from the phone more than another. So it depends on who you are and make a purchasing decision that suits your needs.

[@dishbowlcanada]

I used to work at a cellphone store and when I was trying to show someone the difference in refresh rate I would show the iPad Pro vs the iPad. Most of the time people seemed impressed, but this video made me realize they may have only noticed the difference because it was a side by side comparison they were told to look for.

[@MarshallSteeves]

It's really wild to me since refresh rate has always been something that has very vividly stuck out at me but I am in tech, so I know the terminology and advancements as well.

[@lisadefries6718]

I have iPad Pro 5th gen 12.9 screen and I previously I had a 1st gen iPad Pro my son and I could instantly tell the difference between the two screens. In fact my son and I both went Wow in unison. But not everyone is so observant I should know I work in a public library with huge signs and 9 out of 10 people don’t notice them. My MA is in Art History and my son had Art Dip and studied Architecture at Uni so I guess we a little more impressed by high quality screens plus they usually run smoother games

[@defender1421]

On the iPad it's a huge difference. I actually don't like to use a normal iPad or an iPad air since I use my pro But for me it doesn't actually matter on a phone

[@dandansfu]

Maybe I’m blind I never notice any difference I mean I never use it side by side after I get my iPad Pro with the older version. Or maybe coz I had high expectations from all those youtuber That was like Wow u got to see it Omg it’s buttery smooth Everything feels so smooth and good It’s worth it just for this feature along

[@alyssaalvarez6193]

@@defender1421 I have an iPad Air and just got a 13 pro but now I kinda wish I got a pro iPad for the 120hz consistency lol

[@dequaviontavious]

I already know there's gonna be people using the 13 Pro, then pick up their previous iPhone after a while, then they'll notice the difference and proclaim that "Apple slowed down older iPhones screens!" and will go viral on tiktok or something.

[@drownindesigner]

tiktok clearly degrades intelligence

[@gantengganteng4023]

yea iphone users are dumb about their own phone

[@daanwth]

nah, because tiktok is mostly 30 or sometimes 60fps video, so you cannot show it on video ;)

[@davii_ms]

😂😂😂 right what u said!! Its prophecy

[@jeebus5063]

The first time I tried 144hz on my friends set up it was immediately a massive difference, I literally went back home and had to order a new monitor at that point

[@cronicx1822]

yeah I don't understand how ppl don't notice the difference

[@james2008957]

That was great to see the average user since most tech channels are obviously techies and make little difference seem so dramatic

[@flamingkillermc2806]

You clearly havent seen a higher refersh rate then 60hz.

[@MistaRoyanT]

It's a big difference. Once you have it, you won't want a phone without it.

[@reviewhead]

@@flamingkillermc2806 Watch the video again.

[@daniseo5747]

You have to use 120hz, after looking at that, every 60hz display literally looks laggy.

[@flamingkillermc2806]

@@daniseo5747 100% true

[@deanwilsonmusic]

High refresh rates are one of those features where it's more noticeable when you don't have it after you are used to it. If they used the new phone for a while and then had to switch back to their old one they would probably notice it a lot more.

[@she5an904]

Agreed, whenever I use any phone other than my Iphone 13 pro, I feel like: how are they using it???

[@noneunknown3214]

@@she5an904 а люди со 165 Гц телефонами, думают, как ты за это платишь

[@alexanderoahz1995]

That's why I choose not to buy the 13 pro but the 13. Because it will make me uncomfortable when I switch to other devices.

[@noneunknown3214]

@@alexanderoahz1995 тогда зачем ходить в рестораны, в кинотеатры, если это можно делать дома? 120 гц просто комфортнее. Отказываясь от 120 гц, отказывайся и от вкусной еды. Ведь один раз попробуя что-то слаще, чем хлеб, тебе станет тяжело отказаться от этого

[@adripintorvennervald2644]

True, just upgraded from Iphone 7 to Samsung Galaxy S20 Fe (120HZ) and wow every time I go back to the iPhone 7 you can really tell.

[@VigneshRajaIN]

I had the 13 and 13 pro max side by side in a store. The thing about 120Hz refresh rate is, once you see how smooth it is, the 60Hz feels very stuttering. You can't unsee it. But after a while, now that I'm home, my OnePlus 5 feels smooth after a factory reset! It's all relative 😆

[@ryantaylor3073]

I honestly think the biggest thing I got from the new pro motion is just how good apples 60hz displays are. I can definitely tell a difference, but they do such a good job of making the 60hz feel smooth

[@arrow3709]

My friend has the 11 Pro and I've complained to him about Apple for years and he's pointed out to me that the touch refresh rate is really high and they make 60Hz feel as responsive as any phone possibly could. I buy it, but if I'm choosing between the 13 and 13 Pro, 120Hz PLUS the telephoto makes it worth it to me.

[@DylanM15]

That’s mostly due to the touch sample rate which already was 120hz since the iPhone XS to the 12 Pro. The touch sample rate is how fast it detects touch input vs the refresh rate itself which is how fast the display itself refreshes.

[@sigiligus]

I think it’s just that their 120Hz isn’t as noticeable for some reason. Show someone a 120Hz android phone and they will notice a lot faster

[@sravannotshravan]

@@sigiligus Apple runs iOS at 80hz to save battery and 120hz only kicks in on intensive scrolling and gaming

[@CanadianDupa]

I came from an iPhone 11 to a 13 pro and the 120htz is what noticed 1st! Such a huge difference for me. I don’t think I’d be able to go back tbh.

[@FanBoyTechnology]

you willl battery life at 120 hz sucks

[@KillDeathRatioDJ]

I really liked this video, its definitely interesting to see the comments. I think the comments are due to the fact that Apple does such a good job with animations on 60 hz phones.

[@ghfsd786fa]

this, I bought an s21 to test android after a few years and when used on 60hz I noticed that android had way choppier animations than my iPhone, like if they didn't have motion blur or something like that; and also is what I say to people complaining about 60hz on iPhone... yeah 120hz is cool but is just... cool.

[@fallenblizzard2441]

This is true but the speed of the animations has a lot to do with it as well. On android the animations are very fast and so the motion blur/choppy look is more prominent (obviously not denying the fact that the animations are inferior in some cases), this is why if you actually put the animations at 1.5x (IOS feels like its on 1.25x) on android the phone feels smoother.

[@SuperDarktide]

It really doesn't if you have them side by side the iPhone screen looks like shit

[@stephenearly4057]

I really didn’t think it would make a difference since Apple has always made their screens so smooth and reactive but I gotta say it’s night and day from 60 to 120. Looks amazing

[@daniseo5747]

Yeah that is so true

[@oaax20]

Yeah I have iPad Pro and when I turn on power saver I think everything gets glitchy but I get used to it

[@oaax20]

@MA this is not all about gaming. Yes you can live without 120hz but it is give you display more natural and smooth. It is nice to have but it is not needed

[@stephenearly4057]

@MA opinions are like assholes, they’re everywhere I guess lol but why are you comparing a game which you can’t even play on iPhone? Just seeing what you’re comparing

[@stephenearly4057]

@MA and that Facebook feed I’m sure looks brilliant scrolling through a 13 pro now lol I’m only comparing from previous gen iPhones not throwing pc level tech in to belittle the accomplishments of Apple. My comparison was much more in focus to relevance to the subject of the video

[@yval8957]

Makes a huge difference for me. The screen is how we always interact with the phone. The refresh rate and larger battery are pretty much the only reasons why I updated to the 13 Pro Max. Couldn’t care less about the camera improvements. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@daniseo5747]

Same, I really don’t care much about the cameras, I’m more in screens and refresh rates.

[@kepagu]

I am almost certain it isn't as smooth as it can be. I tried the phone and it did NOT feel like 120hz. U might find the comment I posted.

[@alfredoalejandro87]

@@kepagu The reason it doesn't feel as smooth as it should be its because its 'adaptive refresh'. That is to say the adaptive refresh rate changes according to what you are doing. It can go down to as little as 10hz when browsing, and when you scroll it goes back up to 120hz. Its mostly a battery saving strategy and it has worked well with the iPhone 13 Pro/Pro Max. I myself feel its been well implemented although its not as fluild feeling as the S21 which has the same thing. I am sure Apple will eventually make it nicer with updates.

[@shap7296]

@@kepagu I think it’s because it’s adaptive refresh instead of a hard 120hz

[@kepagu]

@@alfredoalejandro87 the fact that it is adaptive shouldn't matter. If it was perfect, it would ramp up to 120hz fast enough to be unnoticeable (ofc nothing is perfect, but it was still pretty noticeable the first time I tried it), but I noticed that it wasn't full 120hz. However, I've tried it again now, and it felt a little better, but the s21 I've tested is *significantly* smoother

[@jayaseto]

5:06 guys really smart for figuring that out

[@lakeland6798]

pretty interesting, i’ve done blind tests between 30, 45, 60, 90, 120, 144 and 160 and i could pick them pretty reliably, the fact the general consumers can’t notice a difference at all or only barely is wild to me

[@lakeland6798]

only one i wasn’t consistently noticing the difference in was 160 to 240

[@pranav_pradeep]

The really shows a distinction from youtube tech reviews and what average consumer want.

[@AdamBoehme]

After being on the iPhone X since it came out in 2017, I noticed it as soon as I turned to the 13 Pro on. I'm used to 144hz monitor for gaming though and can notice those differences. I think it's more of you don't know what you're missing until you see it type of thing. I wonder if the average user used a 13 Pro for a week and then went back to a 60hz, if they would be able to tell the difference?

[@dennisp8520]

As someone that games on a 240hz monitor and has used high refresh rate phones for a while I can definitely tell you it’s noticeable but it’s not game changing for a phone ether. Like I can adjust to 60hz on a phone screen just fine. The one instance where I find it to ironically be the most beneficial is when I type on a keyboard. As well as when scrolling. Everything else including mobile games it just doesn’t matter

[@joaomatos14]

I have been using the 12 pro max this past year and my girlfriend have the oneplus 9 pro with 120hz and I have my iPad with 120hz and on iPad I really feel that I need because of the Apple Pencil but on iPhone I don’t really care about that even when I use my girlfriend phone with 120hz and come back to iPhone I really don’t fell much of a difference and I have change the refresh rate some times for see if she check the difference she never said nothing so ya on phones don’t change very much on daily usages

[@Joeylikecoffee]

For me the question is this!: is it worth spending an extra $200 for a PHONE with max refresh rate of 120…

[@sRxcss]

this!

[@Joeylikecoffee]

@@sRxcss is that what you meant? Haha

[@Joeylikecoffee]

“I hope it’s food” haha I felt that.

[@j800r_aswell]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why they only brought the feature to the premium devices and why it would be a waste if they did bring it to the regular and mini. Non-enthusiasts don't know, care or notice. Hell, I know and care but can't even be certain whether I notice or whether it's placebo because navigation on the iPhone was already buttery smooth. Truth is, to the regular person, any iPhone from the X onwards is gonna feel just as good to the person and there is not a single regular task it'll even come close to struggling with.

[@jamesrosenberg1612]

I kinda wish they had the adaptive rate on the mini tho, even if it was only from 10-60 hz for that extra lil bump in battery tho!

[@gxngy6612]

this is so true! there’s almost no reason to bump the regular non-pro models to a higher refresh rate if most people won’t care yet it would just make the phone cost more

[@773soccer]

We all know by 2023 the pro and non-pro will have 120Hz screens

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

@@jamesrosenberg1612 I agree!! Adaptive refresh from 10-60hz would be so good for battery life on regular and mini phones.

[@Gnailgnuh]

@@773soccerlol

[@stevenhocking6407]

Only on Samsung phones do you really notice the 120hz difference. iPhones are already very smooth at 60hz so it's pretty hard to notice any difference at 120hz

[@datgamerguy69]

I mean and apple was exposed for not actually going to 120hz when scrolling

[@meroinheroin]

It was night and day difference on my MacBook when I switched to an 120hz monitor. idk if iPhones have a "force max refresh rate" like Androids do but it makes it more noticeable since the hz drops or increases depending on what you're doing so it's not consistent by default.

[@dazauto107]

Some people have said that Apples faster processors allow for smoother animations.

[@dazauto107]

@@meroinheroin It does make a big difference on large screens. I find it does not bother me much on phone size screens.

[@ejirooooooo]

60hz iphones are NOT Smooth

[@The_Igloo]

This is such an important video. More tech reviewers need to watch this. With tech reviewers on KZbin every “inadequacy” is blown out of proportion because tech reviewers do not represent you and me. (Rene Ritchie being a rare exception)

[@nightwing8666]

Yeah these tech reviewers are the enthusiasts here who are very small in number. The average person who's buying the iPhone will not notice it. In most Samsung phones it defaults to 1080p 90Hz anyway cuz they won't notice it. You have to be tech savvy enough of u want to turn it to 1440p 120hz

[@brianstone4549]

Rotf did you just call him basic 😆😂

[@ketowolf]

100% agree. Some tech youtubers make a huge deal out of 120hz, and I always found it to feel like a disconnected perspective of a tech enthusiast who thinks that the average person will notice or care about such a nuanced feature.

[@jogeem5480]

@@ketowolf Maybe the average consumer doesn't notice or care about it but their average viewer of say mkbhd probably does. And they are still reviewing the highest end phones out there so making a big deal about a feature that's only missing from one of them is fair.

[@xyzzy4567]

I’m not pro Apple or anti-Apple, but the reason Apple waited so long to bring 120 hz to the iPhone is because the vast majority of people don’t care.

[@jay_stne]

Got my 13 Pro last week and I have to say, the only real thing is it makes the phone feel snappier but I never find myself thinking "damn those animations are smooth" until I end up using a 60hz phone and then the difference is apparent

[@earwix213]

Since you have the phone for almost a week now How's the battery on it? How long does it usually last? And also are you a heavy user or a normal user that doesn't stay long hours on the phone? I'm asking this because I'm thinking of getting one

[@ark2550]

Why is everyone shock?i mean other android phones have 120htz and cheaper since 2019 and now iphone just release it people be like ignorant abt it, is it because they're an iphone user ONLY?

@@ark2550 go to a tech store and try comparing Apple’s 120hz with any Android’s 120hz and you’ll see why

[@earwix213]

@Diogo Silva That's good to know Because the 12 Pro batteries were terrible so I figured the 13 pro might be the same, Anyway thanks chief 😊

[@jay_stne]

@@earwix213 For my usage the battery is acceptable, but I'm definitely a heavy user. I often use GPS for navigation when I'm out since I go most places by bike, and any time I leave the house I'm using bluetooth earbuds. I think I could squeeze a busy day out of it (say I go out running errands using GPS and Bluetooth, and then meet a friend for a tame night out, getting home at around 11) probably getting home on 20% or less, I'd definitely carry a battery to top it up if I knew I was going to have a long day or a big night out. However I reckon if you're a light user with wired headphones and a healthy relationship with your social media apps, or if the majority of your day is spent at work on WiFi, you could probably finish a regular day on 50%, I'm sure my constant bluetooth usage is bound to blast through the battery!

[@ddamx]

This was very interesting, thank you. I am glad to see not everyone thinks a 120Hz is a dealbreaker.

[@zoyuu]

Huh

[@Ashishyejjala_vlogs]

You have to experience it to know. The difference is night and day.

[@obl620]

@@Ashishyejjala_vlogs yes and if you are used to 120hz you won't go back

[@bryan8404]

@@obl620 I’ve been using it and I go back to 60hz and it doesn’t bug me at all.

[@robwhitmore3040]

@@bryan8404 I just checked whether my Mi 11 Ultra was on 120 or 60 and it was on 120. Switched to 60 and can't really spot the difference. Basically no ios games support 120hz, youtube is 60hz max, scrolling through social media really isn't impacted. If you're scrolling fast enough to notice, I can't imagine you're reading anything anyway. 144Hz for PC monitors. 60Hz is still fine for phones.

[@tkskater1]

I got the 13 pro yesterday, and I love the smoothness. Also used to 144hz gaming monitors. The one downside is that a few apps, especially Google apps, haven’t been updated to work with the 120hz. So there’s a lot of janky animations still.

[@luisiferz]

I got the 13 Pro Max for Christmas, and after watching a few videos, I can definitely notice the difference! my eyes & I both love it!

[@jimjamjon2285]

It’s insane how high the sound, recording and production quality on all your video’s are for someone with 41k subs. You deserve millions of subscribers lol. You’ll be there very soon at this rate though, I just know it. Keep it up man

[@jeffbarner1747]

It’s really refreshing to hear a “normal” persons perspective on tech 😂. It’s almost humbling. I had my 13 pro max for half a day but something was wrong with the true depth camera so Face ID wouldn’t work. I already miss the refresh rate.

[@Voixxy]

you returned it?

[@jeffbarner1747]

@@Voixxy yeah 😕 and I can’t find another one in stock

[@Voixxy]

@@jeffbarner1747 oh damn hope you find one soon bro!

[@jeffbarner1747]

@@Voixxy thanks I have one ordered, they said it’d arrive yesterday but it jumped to the 15th 🙄. I know it’s not life or death it’s just annoying how bad the supply and demand is. There were some gold ones in stock but gold is my least favorite this year

[@megasanjay]

@@jeffbarner1747 Have you tried going to your carrier? I found mine at my local carrier and its seems like they get faster updates than Apple stores tbh

I have stated this for the longest time, Tech reviewers make such a great and melodramatic statement about stuff that 99% of people woun't notice, just like putting a 4k screen on mobiles, make no difference. Jobs was right, beyond "retina display" the human eye can't tell the difference.

[@daniel_960_]

Well you certainly can tell the difference beyond retina. Retina always stood for not being able to distinguish single pixels. The iPhone 11 720p screen is retina. Doesn’t look sharp at all compared to the oled iPhones, these they also call retina hd I think.

@@daniel_960_ Of course YOU can, but I'm talking about general people.

[@augustogalindo8687]

Well, on bigger phones you can see the difference between 1080p and a 2k display (if you look closely LOL), but not really on a phone smaller than 5 inches. However Apple knows that, if you see their advertising, they never say 2k displays, they focus more on color accuracy, contrast, brightness, those things most people can definitely notice between LCD and OLED displays and Apple does an excellent job in all of those areas.

[@donaldsalazar6030]

@@daniel_960_ it's 768p if I remember correctly.

[@itsuplike9947]

@@daniel_960_ exactly, it wont be as sharp... but its also not THAT bad.. it works unless you're in to screens and tech

[@agrisimfarming]

I like how this is bringing high refresh rates to the masses. 120hz isn't all that new (My cathode ray tube monitor from the late 1990s can do 120hz) but the iPhone is bringing it to way more people now.

[@liamjames-hendriks4895]

Love it! High refresh rates are amazing and I've always been a fan. Recently got the iPad pro and a 165hz monitor on my gaming PC (night and day in FPS games). Just got the 13 pro for the 120hz and it's deffs a "nice to have" not essential at all but for me it's so worth it I've been waiting for awhile now for 120hz

[@dariusdareme]

Really professional editing, format, quality... it feels like a buzzfeed video. - you deserve way more than 43k subscribers. - subbed

[@daniseo5747]

I like the girl that actually saw the difference between 60hz and 120hz. She looks cute.

[@ThisWasEpicness]

you mean you like girls with similar interests as you... lol

[@mint3]

Please don’t start simping

[@ppmnox]

@@mint3 she's gorgeous. can't stop watching her. wish she was dating me. do you know if she's single?

[@Carloslive-fc6uy]

@@ppmnox bro….. i hope your joking 💀

[@ppmnox]

@@Carloslive-fc6uy your ability to spot sarcasm has failed. please retake "how to spot a smartass in 3 easy steps" by Avid Fan now go back and pay attention to whom I initially responded

[@grouchyghost]

definitely checks out with my experience with computer monitors. I noticed a little bit when I upgraded to 144hz from 60hz, but I REALLY noticed the downgrade when I used a 60hz monitor again.

[@jordansarkisian]

That's probably what's know as diminishing returns, anything above a certain point nets less and less results but less than a certain point produces a much more dramatic change.

[@dariusdareme]

It's like drugs. You never needed them before. But after using them for a while, it's a constant pain to live without.

[@kip.design]

It doesn't even make sense to ask people such difference, now on iphone 13 when android's already had this for years.

[@jordansarkisian]

@@kip.design Nobody cares that Android has had it for years, as a decade old iPhone user I've never needed it and still don't need it. I don't even care that it makes things slightly smoother, I'm more excited for the fact that because it sometimes runs at lower FPS (like when watching movies) it saves me more battery life.

[@lum1notryc828]

@@dariusdareme..its not that badd

[@ThaedDavid]

I would like tech reviewers to not give screen refresh so much importance in their reviews. As this video shows, people might notice a subtle difference, but for most people battery life and camera tech is way more important.

[@ondrej1893]

Battery life is better with adaptive 120Hz vs classic 60Hz.

[@ThaedDavid]

@@ondrej1893 they should make an adaptive 60hz option then.

[@natbarmore]

To answer your question at the end of the video: yeah, that’s about the results I expected. I don’t expect a lot of people to notice the 120 Hz without something to compare it to side by side. And even those who notice, I expect to have difficulty pinning down what it is they’re noticing. In the same way that depending what you’re looking at a lot of people won’t notice HDR or wide gamut without a side-by-side comparison, and even if they do may not be able to identify what is different. There’s also the matter of priorities: for me, wide gamut is more important than retina resolution is more important than HDR is more important than high refresh rate. So I care a lot more about the DCI-P3 than any of the other screen changes the last few years, because it’s the one I notice the most in practice.

[@ivanhoek]

Heck, I'm old and I've not seen screens as smooth as old school CRT's. We even had higher refresh rates back in the day.. I had an 85hz screen in the 90's. LCD was a huge step backward in smoothness and latency... it's taken a long time to get back to what we had.

[@vapedragon983]

There’s a video on this topic and man you’re right.

[@supersaiyancommenter]

But to be fair, power consumption...

[@mrcraggle]

We often sacrifice things in the way of convenience. CRTs were just big and heavy. People were willing to give up the benefits of CRTs in favour of light and thinness. My current TV is a Pioneer plasma from 2008. I love it but it's still limited to 60Hz.

[@theknowone9846]

@@vapedragon983 what's the video called?

[@vapedragon983]

@@theknowone9846 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGmlh4d-rchngq8 Here ya go

[@poydrel18]

Once I got accustomed to 120hz display, I definitely notice how other displays are not as smooth. Not a deal breaker but definitely something I notice.

[@pronto7362]

right . using my xr feels crappy and laggy now 😂

[@jaghond2]

I remember trying out the first iPads with pro-motion, and while I was impressed, to me the feature wasn't worth the upgrade from my couple of generations older iPad. Its only when I bought the 11" iPad Pro and used it for over a year, and then happened to buy the latest iPad Air last year that I could really experience how jarring the difference is. I almost thought the iPad Air screen was defective in some way with the jerky scrolling. It really is hard to overstate what a massive downgrade it feels like going down to 60Hz once you are habituated to 120Hz. Spending a few minutes and doing side by side comparisons really fails to convey what an improvement it is to overall user experience.

[@thekidyn]

I could immediately tell the difference between my 11pro vs my 13pro.. 120Hz is a blessing

[@gbeach02]

Excellent case study man. I can tell you put a lot of effort into this video

[@06bostonguy]

I’m a very tech enthusiast person and I own an IPad Pro with Promotion (120hz) refresh rate screen , but it could barely notice that on the iPhone 13 Pro Max when I saw it in person. I do think this feature makes more sense on big screens like the MacBook or iMacs . That would be great to see. On the iPhones it diner make a huge impact for me like it did on the iPad Pro

[@sterlingroberts6240]

Bingo.

[@dmitryb6873]

because in the iPhone, in fact, the frequency is on average 90Hz, and very rarely 120

[@en1766]

Did I just watch the first cut/jubilee-inspired tech review video ever?! I loved the video, never seen a style like this and it’s remarkably refreshing considering the vast overlapping tech review styles out there. amazing concept and execution, Keep up the great content Josh!!

[@iamslf]

60hz has always been pretty smooth to begin with, especially in ios, so i’m not surprised most of your friends didn’t really notice the higher refresh rate. however, i’ve definitely noticed the difference after using the 13 pro for a little bit, and then going back to an older device.

[@spicywater1354]

Once you get used to a higher refresh rate, going back to 60hz is a huge difference

[@ioiioooio193]

@@spicywater1354 not really, and this video is evidence, it’s nice apple added it but most people do not care about it

[@spicywater1354]

@@ioiioooio193 I mean if you’ve used it extensively. Once I upgraded to a 144hz PC monitor, 60hz was noticeably different. My partner has a standard 13 and I have a Pro, and using hers is jarring now that I’m so used to the smoothness of mine. Personal preference of course.

[@aKuBiKu]

@@ioiioooio193 How is this video evidence? Noah said "Once you get used to a higher refresh rate", and the video is just a quick blind reaction.

[@sh4rpys]

@@spicywater1354 I only feel the input lag when going back to 60hz. Don’t know if my eyes are fucked or something, but I can not ”see” a difference really. Have had a 144hz monitor for almost 2 years now. Going back and forth pretty regurarly.

[@thekidyn]

Immediately subscribed cause of the quality and Marques shoutouts are always legit!

[@joelprovost5539]

Here from the MKBHD channel, this was a great vid!

[@realtjliew]

“When I scroll the words is like du du dudu du du……..” I laughed.

[@MaDFroG88]

🤣 😂

[@IkesTechTalk]

Dope video, Spot on with what I thought would be the case. We as techies are so out of touch at times with what the average user thinks is significant. That being said, I personally want everything high refresh rate, period lol

[@magmaantech]

120 Hz is a game changer for me. I have been waiting for this for years now. Not only a smoother picture, but also more responsive. Although I guess my fingers have to get used to the new iPhone, without 3D-touch, coming from the Xs. Never understood why they removed that.

[@eduardoooo]

it improved battery life, cuz they get rid of pressure sensitive display

[@Boxtermaiti]

@@eduardoooo Yep. It freed up space so they could make a bigger battery and they also realized that most of the things you used 3d touch for, could simply be replicated with a long press. Also it was expensive to have 3d touch.

[@RB-nv4lo]

Just got the 13 pro from 11 pro, and could notice right away, smoother App closures, transitions and everything. After a few hours of having the phone is when u really start to notice it.

[@Monkey_D_Luffy56]

When I got my first 60hz phone it was like a butter smooth heck I even said it feels like an iPhone but when I got a 120hz phone at first I didn't notice the difference then when I looked at my old 60hz phone it gave me like a lil bit of headache because of how laggy it was compared to 120hz

[@danw9773]

I think the important thing to note is that the screen isn’t always in 120 hz. The screen could go as low as 10 hz for situations like reading a book, or 24 hz to play a 24 hz video.

[@iau]

Is it really _important_ to note though? It will be 120Hz when you scroll. When you stop or watch a movie, you won't notice it went down to 10 or 24Hz anyway.

[@danw9773]

Well it’s just that the first impressions were like there’s no difference, because they didn’t scroll too much.

[@dr.chimpanz.1324]

@@iau yes it is because without it the battery would drain much faster.

[@RandoMorals]

" 3x zoom thats kinda crazy" Samsung users be like: 😳

[@Winkoo6]

iPhone is usable for longer than 2-3 years (even the Aug 2018 released Galaxy Note 9 will not get the Android 12, which is only 3 years old), so for example for the one with iPhone X (from 2017) the zoom is a new feature. It's not an android, nobody force you to buy a new phone in every few years..

[@kimclash7695]

@@Winkoo6 why are you so mad lol🤣🤣 he is just saying ..you also know samsung have 10x telephoto ..and they are getting shocked to see 3x tele🥴🥴🤣

[@RandoMorals]

@@Winkoo6 it was a joke?? why are u mad lol I literally am an iPhone user myself

[@jimmyboy1582]

@@Winkoo6 i had my iphone 8 plus since release in 2017. Still supported today with ios 15.

[@Cinnamontoastcrunch1029]

@@Winkoo6 I agree but literally no one is talking about that

[@caioobessa]

Being a tech geek myself I’ve found this video absolutely a joy to watch 😂

[@sanchanchin]

you can definitely notice it, as someone who use phone very much I tried switching from 90 Hz to 60 Hz to compare it (it's the only available refresh rate on my phone) and I'm impressed about the difference the way you scroll up and down and swipe left and right it looks like it's lagging with the lower refresh rate, it's only 60-90Hz what more with a 120Hz? that must be really smoothhhh

[@AQArchive]

I noticed it immediately when getting the 13 Pro, and liked it so much I wouldn't go back. But coming from gaming, it's probably something I would think about more.

[@tipoomaster]

When the first OLED iPhone reviews came out none ever seemed to mention scrolling blur, but I noticed it immediately on getting it, especially on dark mode. A few of these people don't know how to describe it exactly, but hit on exactly that, the reduction in blur persistence just with refreshing it twice as often. That would be a big upgrade alone for me.

[@natbarmore]

Right there with you. For how I use my phone, OLED has been in every way a (slight) downgrade from LCD. The ways in which OLED is better don’t particularly benefit me (I don’t like dark mode, so no battery savings for me, and I never had trouble seeing my iPhone 5 or SE’s screens outside, so I don’t really need the extra brightness-I typically keep my 11 Pro around 30%, and rarely push it past 50% brightness). But I immediately noticed the motion blur and the off-axis color shifts, and both continue to occasionally annoy me.

[@Alaskan_Firefox]

This video is a prime example as to why it took Apple so long to add 120 fps

[@maximilianrobot]

The beauty of ProMotion I think is that it's THAT unobtrusive and "fluid" due to how they analyze finger movement to ramp the refresh rate up and down constantly. Now, I've been using a 144Hz panel for a while so when the iPhone got ProMotion I had to get it, and I've not been disappointed.

[@voltspc9394]

“Oh is this 120hz” was the best line in this video

[@syedasadabbas6443]

MKBHD here! Your Stuff is actually good... Keep it Up... You doing Good 🙂...

[@itisfinished4U]

Very interesting, I can notice it myself but it is by no means the most important feature, I have a one plus 7 pro with 90 hz and a pixel 4a so it's pretty much one of the best displays on a smartphone and as far as the hz you have to know what your looking for to be bothered by it, pixel like apple has a very smooth operating system so most people will not pay the premium just for that, I would but I'm a phone nerd so I can tell the difference and I can really tell the difference between a 1080p AMOLED and a quad hd AMOLED display, which most people can't so......

[@amritdandiwal]

My man you were featured in the latest MKBHD vdieo

[@thecliffold5879]

Apple fans so excited to see 3x zoom! LMAO 🤣

[@thomsonsunil7394]

😂

[@qksf1645]

3x optical but still😂😂 i am an iphone user myself

[@sigiligus]

The 120Hz on the iPhone is also substantially less noticeable than it is on Android. I’m not sure if it’s just how iOS handles animations, but going from a Pixel 7 Pro to iPhone 15 Pro, although it doesn’t feel choppy it definitely doesn’t have the same “wow factor.”

[@thebishopchess]

It’s really cool seeing people describe 120 hertz

[@JoshuaDAntonio]

The reaction of the non-tech people (or the lack of) to the 120hz display is probably the reason why delaying this feature has been a smart move from Apple. While tech people were complaining for years about the lack of this feature, Apple took the time to make sure it wouldn’t impact the overall experience of the phone (Es. battery life), and then sell it only to people who want their phone to be “Pro”. Also, it totally makes sense that this feature is not on the regular iPhone 13 by now.

[@Metallica4Life1995]

Except many other phones beforehand were doing fine with 120hz and battery life/overall performance, so once again another BS post defending apple's late entry to *kind of* old technology. Glad you guys have it now though, welcome to 2017

[@waffles245]

the ipad pro has had promotion since 2018, so your reasoning isn't very reasonabls

[@Ultimagicarus]

@@Metallica4Life1995 its a good option but I will never use it outside of “competitive” gaming.

[@Metallica4Life1995]

@@Ultimagicarus I don't even game on my phone, just having 120hz enabled system wide for scrolling or whatever is so much nicer and smoother than 60hz, going back to a 60hz phone hurts at this point.

[@adnamamedia]

I loved this video! even though it's a small sample size, I do believe this is representative of the general population. I showed someone my 13 Pro Max and they couldn't even see it, same when I showed a friend my high refresh rate Pixels and Samsungs I think our eyes are ruined because whenever I see a 60hz display I think it's choppy, archaic, and headache-inducing

[@robjackson606]

I stopped in a Best Buy the other day and played with a 13 Pro a bit. The 120hz was very nice indeed. Felt like a pocket iPad Pro. This year I’m going for the 13 Mini simply for the compact size. Would I love 120hz on the Mini? Without a doubt I would. But handset size is the feature I’m really after so I’ll have to do without. Make no mistake, it’s how modern phone UI should look, on all phones, not just the high end devices

[@pratikdugam5612]

It is much more noticeable when using the iPad Pro with magic keyboard. The difference feels so much that I now want the same in my laptop.

[@jonathan45732]

You did a great job picking people, literally all of them didn’t really know anything about the new iPhone.

[@TheSH1N1GAM1]

120hz was the first thing I noticed after turning the phone on, then the battery life. Every time I interact with the phone’s screen it’s obvious how much better it is than 60hz. Honestly it’s better than I expected. Don’t know if it has something to do with screen size or the fact that it’s also OLED or both, but it seems better to me than the iPad Pro.

[@ItisBean]

For me the selling points are the 40% larger camera sensors, apertures, the new design and the pro motion. IMO these features aren’t supposed to wow you but make your life a little bit better.

[@tinydiccbandito4953]

which new design? lol

[@thetechrealist]

That's really dumb. I mean, do you really take photos at night a lot and actually need the bigger sensors? Is the slightly smaller notch really any better? Is the refresh rate, really a game changer? The answer is fucking No! This is an S year. Wait for the new design change and just live your goddamn life not worrying about a cellphone.

[@gauvwx]

The Android world is big on numbers So we have developed that mindset that less numbers means worse experience, But it's not all about the specs and features but the experience more. Most of us won't be able to tell the difference between a 120 and 144hz unless we are told Only then we start looking at things differently

[@CutGossip]

If you used an android, you can tell between 60 and 120 and 144, not sure about the 165 tho

[@CutGossip]

The Samsung actually does a better job with the adaptive refresh rate, but the iphone 13 will get better with software updates

[@mr.perfectlyfine95]

“I hope it’s food” I love it

[@darshanmahale5462]

One of the first best video, I saw in 2022

[@phamxuankhoaa]

120Hz is wayyyy better than 60Hz

[@ThunderGoatz]

Been gaming on a 165hz monitor for years now, and have a 60hz phone, as well as a 120hz ipad. I've always questioned the usefulness of a 120hz phone, as it's small and I don't game on it. I tried my friends iphone 13 pro, and it's weird how crisp it is. The text is noticably less blurry when scrolling. Aside from that, it's mostly just marketing. Still, feels nice though.

[@jamest1125]

Stepping up to a 120hz from a 60hz display is a huge difference at first but you quickly get used to it. Stepping down would be after a while would make a huge difference in experience. The reason alot of the people in the video couldnt really tell is because apple has been using 120hz touch sampling rate for a while now which is great for response time to touch.

[@rajatpr]

Here from mkbhd video! Your video quality and content is amazing my dude. Keep it up bro! 👊🏽

[@megapet777]

Mark my words when the base iphone finally gets 120hz display there will be ton of people praising how smooth it is lol.

[@ays3065]

It would be almost a perfect phone if they added a function that you can switch from the back to front camera WHILE recording. Apple hear me out on this one.

[@ckf36]

This is crazy, I don’t even think it’s a “non tech” people thing. I noticed the 120hz immediately and I’ve never used a display like that before. I think certain people are just more observant than others when it comes to subtle details, to put it bluntly lol.

[@kaisasong1332]

yep like for 144hz monitor and 240hz i can tell a difference still... but 240hz to 360hz i dont think i can

[@solodanny2198]

Fr it has nothing to do with being a tech geek or not, its just obvious 🤦‍♂️😭. If u dont notice im pretty sure theres something wrong with ur eyes 💀

[@bapynshngain]

I've used 120hz on a phone, but to be honest I don't really care much about higher refresh rate on a phone because it's mostly just for scrolling. Gaming wise, 90hz is enough for me in a phone. 😂

[@dutyrover946]

99% of the time your scrolling on a phone, so yes the frame rate matters, kid

[@bapynshngain]

@@dutyrover946 nah 60hz scrolling good enough for me.

[@dutyrover946]

@@bapynshngain and then you complain that its the same phone every year lol

[@bapynshngain]

@@dutyrover946 did I though?

[@Euvotx]

I am happy for you because as a small KZbinr I know it is so hard to be seen in 2021

[@spec8888]

3 years late but as someone who uses an 170hz monitor, used to use a 120hz phone, and I'm very used to higher refresh rates, i can painfully notice the difference between 60hz and 120hz on iPhones, comparing them side by side is even worse, but if I try using an older iPhone, it's so noticeable and it's really obvious to me. I get used to the 60hz fairly quickly, and it's not necessarily annoying, but it is 100% worth the upgrade for me. iPhones especially now in 2024/2025 shouldnt have 60hz, i think the base models should have 90hz at least while the pros have 120

[@noahknows25]

Came here from MKBHD!

[@boothatron]

Alright, I concede. High refresh screens are wasted on non-tech people! 120hz is essential for me, but I'm looking for it I guess.

[@teabbox]

Once I got a 120 hz screen, I cant see myself going back to 60

[@mizwan-mt1jc]

I definitely noticed the difference at first glance, I could never go for 60hz again.

[@makdrumz]

To notice any kind of difference in anything, you have to truly have to pay attention and value that which is different. Only then will you actually be able to tell the difference in detail. This stands for anything in life, either mental or physical.

[@pearcey1113]

Here from Marques Brownlee's video, great video

[@santacruz8364]

Yes it's better for reading, makes your eyes more comfort. After seeing 120Hz you like a getting Brainwashed, when comeback to the old phone 60Hz it's feels laggy LOL. IT'S A GAME CHANGER!

[@someguysomewhere100]

It’s not game changer at all I’ve got an iPad Pro with 120 Hz and iPhone 12 Pro with 60 Hz and I don’t have a single problem using 60 Hz - I don’t even notice it when switching. It’s like metallic paint on a car, if you look closely you’ll notice it but when you’re not looking for it you don’t notice it and you don’t care.

[@santacruz8364]

@@someguysomewhere100

[@mshaheerarshad]

@@santacruz8364 nerd is crying.

[@moustaphahassaan1427]

In my experience I didn't feel a difference switching from 60hz to 120 but I felt the difference going from 120hz to 60

[@v.scente]

"the words go like dudududu" 😂 perfect

[@flatt585]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jasongeddes8131]

This mans video production skills are insane

[@Joelmiller1776]

I have the 13 Pro Max and the difference is night and day. It's so buttery smooth, and the battery life is insane!