Rory Stewart and Mary Beard on Power and Politics (Part 2)

Rory Stewart and Mary Beard discuss the history of power and politics from Caesar to Starmer.
Watch Part 1 of this event here: • Rory Stewart and Mary ...
Who gets to win power and how do they keep it - and lose it? Who is excluded from power? Does power always corrupt or are there examples of leaders who have maintained their integrity while in authority? How does the nature of power vary across different times and cultures? These are the questions that Mary Beard and Rory Stewart addressed when they came to Intelligence Squared in November 2023.
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[@willyum3920]

I could listen to these two talk forever. What's the weather? read the phone book? read the football results? What a joy to get two wonderfully intelligent and articulate people together. Thank you so so much! Really, I'm so grateful!

[@danahun]

These two together, that really is iq2!

[@MoralScienceEducation]

“Power is not to be ignored”. Perfect and thank you Mary. May God bless you🙏🕊️🇬🇧

[@PaulsBees]

An excellent conversation. More like this, please.

[@user-lp7wo7og4x]

Why has part 2 been released before part 1?????

[@gmk2222]

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[@ink7761]

its not. Part 1 was 7 months ago

[@MoralScienceEducation]

I agree we are all guilty for morality to erode unless we rise for common ethics, ethical leadership, and respect for a renewed and vibrant set of basic human rights, the fulfillment of which we all need, desire, and deserve. Hopefully your discourse will assist leaders such as Presidential Candidate Robert Kennedy Jr in the USA, and all other politicians who rightly feel compelled to expose all evil, which we, as humble human beings, can help conquer, wherever we reside. We basically need a new civil movement.

[@spadeespada9432]

Writing a prom to a horse is about a weird as one about a tree, or explaining why a caged bird sings. But is you thinks it's weird you probably don't know, "Nature’s first green is gold, Her hardest hue to hold."

[@jsimo90]

Demographics missing from convo.

[@robinblick9375]

Mary Beard knows all about power and politics She supported 9/11...'They [the Americans] had it coming.'

[@WM-ln4dz]

As an American ... we did have it coming. Bill Clinton explicitly warned W about Bin Laden's determination to strike at the US, and W was warned by the professional intelligence community just a couple of weeks prior to the attack. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were very clear in the years up to the 9/11 attack why they had launched multiple attacks against the US and US assets, including bombing the World Trade Center in 1993 with a car bomb. Bin Laden was very clear about the reasons, and then in W's hubris he didn't care to pay attention to the Middle East. Instead W preferred to get his tax cuts for the rich passed, and simply ignored the warnings.

[@moussaouiahmed]

.............................AM

[@sarawoods1450]

Mary seems wiser to me and Rory a bit indignant.

[@charlycole7850]

The unfairness is infuriating.

[@sao9995]

Why can't they see that democracy is cyclical? It starts out good in response to a misshapen control by a few. It distributes power to the many who align as tribes with interest who must market their interests to the democratized many, strengthening existing tribes and creating new tribes---new tribes who challenge the majority until the majority is no longer distinct and representative of the nation. Civil war ensues as some wish to preserve and some wish to reform on both sides. Democracy is no more defensible than a single monarch.; we just experienced the best days of a democracy, now in decline. The American democracy has gone as far as it can. The weak have been enabled. The strong are gagged and bound. Something must break because the cycle is the cycle and demands it to break.

[@seanconnolly5968]

I couldn’t agree with you more on democracy. You also sound anti-monarchy though, but monarchy is the answer.

[@victoriahigman6802]

That’s not the history I listen to

[@stevehurrell651]

What is power...we have to think about the limits...you wield power...duh, are you going to mention Oil, surveillance, USA hegemony

[@DSTH323]

These limeys are really "extraordinary" in virtue signalling. There's scarcely an episode where they do not declare how visionary they are in (Hear! Hear!) in not liking that philistine Trump. Extraordinary!

[@spadeespada9432]

Re: Blame the woman Adam & Eve ...😅😂 If it ain't broke

[@LoneWulf278]

A tale as old as time. 😭

[@paulsolon6229]

Odd, beard can’t talk w o saying You know

[@specialistcarmarketing]

I find Stewart disturbing in his self assumed moral virtue and also that he knows best.

[@claudiaxander]

What people forget is that Caligulas horse was a very effective and much respected consul!

[@spadeespada9432]

And most people don't get is he was telling them they were no better than a trained beast of burden. A horse is useful for many things when trained and harnessed to the will of another (a greater mind). Also that they were there to execute his will.

[@claudiaxander]

@@spadeespada9432 Yes, seriously, that is what I thought was occurring. He was putting those below him in their place.

[@fringefringe7282]

So what is bad with Rory Stewart?

[@Andyreally]

I think he would have been a really balanced PM, with good moral judgment, and a broad world view.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

@@Andyreally Just a shame he only likes Democracy when the demos agree with him. The people voted to leave the EU. The People have consistently voted to have lower immigration.

[@Andyreally]

@@williamvorkosigan5151 Stewart has a towering intellect, he would have worked out a carefully considered route out of the horrible mess we’re in. Instead we had the blond charlatan, whose lies easily ranked with those of Trump.

[@lighting7508]

@@Andyreally hes never given a good solution to reduce immigration

[@henryclifford1247]

He's incredibly intelligent and has his heart in the right place, but he's also very arrogant and entitled. His hate for Boris seems to stem from his belief that Boris was the illegitimate usurper to his divine right His book is an exercise in both: effective critique of those around him; explaining why he was entitled to the cabinet position he believes himself to be the perfect candidate for at each turn regardless of what those more senior than him thought about it