iRacing - How Fast Can A NASCAR Cup Car Lap The Nordschleife?

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[@caseys_cozy_garage]

I love how the steering wheel is merely a suggestion of where you want the Nascar to go

[@generalkayoss7347]

NASCAR does what it wants

[@arranmc182]

if that happens at all then you're basically over reving the car and will never have good controle jimmy had way to much RPM most the way round meaning he was asking for the car to slide thus actually making him slower

[@otacon1000]

This comment is so friggin accurate. I ran one of these things earlier today and had that exact thought.

[@mastodon98]

Stock car*

[@justgrayyy105]

Stock car

[@seanhart7185]

Next try a top fuel dragster. That'll be fun, right?

[@Arik-2103]

Tiny little problem: it can't steer

[@1320crusier]

its can.. in very small movements. It just cant carry enough fuel for a lap of the ring and its too long for most of the turns..lol.

[@counterfit5]

1320crusier hook a tanker trailer to the back

[@dex6017]

Even if you got the steering changed and managed to carry enough nitromethane for a whole lap it still wouldn't be 'track worthy' They don't have an accelerator pedal like cars do, they have a 3 stage clutch so are basically constantly letting out the clutch to get them crazy speeds.

[@SoI_Badguy]

PLEASE YES

[@iggy1297]

Oh my god, it's my favorite thing in the world... NASCAR cars (or trucks!) in environments they were definitely not built for.

[@MyLonewolf25]

VeyKen they literally road race every season..

[@russianbubbawallace8681]

@@MyLonewolf25 yes but they are not built for road courses. which makes it fun

[@bohba13]

@@MyLonewolf25 Both Senoma short (the nascar config) and the Glen short are power circuts and are easier for NASCARs to drive. take that same car and slap it into say COTA and there will be a lot of spinning.

[@coreysplayground1906]

@@bohba13 depends on the driver not the car

[@Ls2Finch]

The lower division races at Road America too

[@brianmurray7980]

You should try the Watkins Glen setup. More downforce and a higher gearing. Wouldn't hit the limiter quite as much. Sonoma is a much slower course than the Glen.

[@assettoCorsaDirtRally]

Where can I find more information on the Watkins Glen setup?

[@swingAE86]

What NASCAR cup cars often don't get credit for is it's mechanical grip which it was alot of.

[@zivadira]

As in it understeers on turn-in and oversteers on exit? Because this thing is a brick, it doesnt have aby grip that comes from aero. That leaves the car with a grand total of zero grip you can actually use :)

[@swingAE86]

You say it has no grip however it got through the track in under 7 and a half. Also I recommend you watch a cup car go around Watkins Glen or VIR before you call it a brick

[@rafaelmoutinho3366]

still man compared to many other racecars it´s still a brick xd

[@samprince5691]

He said mechanical grip, aero has nothing to do with mechanical grip...

[@eaglefat9398]

it has the same exact tube chassis, tubular double wishbone front control arms, near 50/50 weight distribution, and massive ventilated disc brakes as any GT3 race car, nascars have extremely good aero with almost no drag, they choose to run low down force to keep the race competitive unlike F1. Also they have crazy good mechanical grip because they run no down force but still put down 850hp just fine in real life and they even race on proper race tracks like Watkins glen.

[@CapSodaPop]

"Real Daytona USA 3 *EXPERT* track leaked gameplay"

[@celtiberian]

YES PLEASE

[@callmekaiffu2655]

Why he didn't slingshot in every corner, that would be easier

[@KeManYT]

This is what makes nascar entertaining. You drive with what you got and have to adapt to what the car wants

[@7249xxl]

"Imagine this in real life" There are 3~4 roadcourses in nascar. Watch em Its insane.

[@brapa1190]

There's 9 now

[@trent7736]

@@brapa1190 ikr. People be underestimating their performance on road courses. Heck, watch the next gen car turn some heads this season

[@HardlyaDavidson]

@@trent7736 people really be underestimating the Nordschleife…. It’s so much abuse, probably more than any other track! Not saying any track they run is easy, I just think it would be another level of a challenge, maybe I’m wrong

[@skull1161]

@@HardlyaDavidson i dont think your wrong considering the crazy bumps, camber changes and just overall crappy track surface of the nordschleife on some parts of the track

[@vitabudi]

engine: Full Throttle Rear end: LET ME GO FIRST!!!

[@KG-db9jz]

The part where you mention the straight line acceleration is absolutely true. I've driven a detuned nascar on a 5/8 mile oval. It was roughly 450 hp which is about 75 more hp than my personal car. Coming off the corner, that car pulled like you would not believe. Even in 4th gear, at 4k rpms, it was just a constant push until letting off at 7k rpms to take the corner. A normal high hp car just can't reproduce that. It's an experience I'll never forget and something everyone should have.

[@codenamecordon]

K G I’ve never seen a dyno graph of a NASCAR engine but I imagine the powerband being pretty wide. That’s what gives this very strong feel of acceleration since it’s not a brief kick of power, it’s almost constant.

[@retromario96]

@@codenamecordon Depends on the track. On short tracks and road courses they have a pretty wide powerband as you would expect at tracks with a lot of braking and accelerating. At Daytona and Talladega which they can run wide open around all the time, the powerband can be as narrow as 500 to 1000 RPM.

[@corymcdermott5096]

Depending on the track configuration. The short track( Martinsville and Bristol) engines are built for higher torque and havea lower power rating. A speedway track (Michigan and California) run higher power engines with a big curve and lower torque. The good days were when they ran carbureted engines, hitting 900+ HP. The different engine packages and more carburetor options made better racing.

[@timclaus8313]

Plus the weight to contact patch is relatively small compared to other series. Part of that is to keep the speeds within what the tracks can handle. About 10 years ago or so, CART had to cancel a race at Texas Motor Speedway, the drivers were graying our from the Gs on the turns.

[@SoI_Badguy]

@@codenamecordon They're actually pretty peaky, in terms of american V8's a 5.8L isn't very large. They redline at about 10,000rpm and don't make peak power until like 8,000.

[@CAMELOT331]

A quick trip through the comments show violent ignorance lort haha. But that's okay. I don't know much about certain series. Mainly an F1 and NASCAR fan. I own a Nascar CUP Car and track it often. It handles quite fantastic compared to any road car I have tracked. Better really. They definitely don't feel like they're on ice. I don't understand why the game handles that way. Granted I use a road course setup. LSD in the rear, 4:11. 600 lb 9 inch front springs, 400 lb 12 inch in the rear. Which is similar to what they run on road courses. They build Stock Cars for Road Courses and Ovals. The road course cars handle and are about as quick as a V8 supercar. The oval cars obviously would drive like garbage and with the 4 inch front right spring, you wouldn't be able to accelerate off the corner. The front right would just bounce. They are beautiful cars. Also you don't use the clutch on these cars either. The attention to detail in Iracing has gotten better in recent years. Was kinda in shambles back in the day IMO XD

[@whysoslow1999]

Its probably the setup and the differential that makes the most difference.

[@dylmwidner]

@@whysoslow1999 not just that, the tube frames of the cars are built to bend more in certain places or be more stiff in others. I know sometimes, although it looks like the same car throughout a season, a top level NASCAR team will use up to 15 different chassis for the tracks that they run. They’re called STOCK cars but they’re not all built the same

[@trash_ducc]

It makes a huge difference when you drive a car meant for oval vs road course lol

[@brg9759]

@@trash_ducc and nascar does that and does it well

[@mailboxmedia6655]

Well also when you drive it, im just gonna assume that you're not full sending it as fast as you can into every corner lol

[@fuckingdegenerate5733]

It almost refuses to turn right

[@BoleDaPole]

Fucking Degenerate it can with the right set up

[@alexschmidt3692]

lol i was like, shit why you need to call him a fucking degenerate? oh. thats his youtube name...

[@fuckingdegenerate5733]

Alex Schmidt xDDDDD

[@sleepdeep305]

Alex Schmidt So did I! Sneaky sneaky...

[@RobertMartino98]

Alex Schmidt lmao ikr

[@DL-nn1ws]

The problem is that NASCAR race cars have virtually no downforce. And the 2018 cars are even lower and have less downforce. They have a brick’s aero compared to F1, but those cars reach 200 mph/320 kph WITH restrictor plates that reduce the hp to half of the normal engine (About 450hp). Easy 370 kph/230 mph. And those V8s.... are some screamy bois

[@jorhop4005]

Foxydude98 Fan The Mercedes Project One, which is a monster hypercar, produces the same amount of downforce as a NASCAR.

[@DL-nn1ws]

Lil Brick and that is?

[@jorhop4005]

Foxydude98 Fan You don't know what the Project One is? It's hypercar made with a Mercedes F1 engine, you would think the car would create way more downforce than a Nascar.

[@eaglefat9398]

Nascars have very good aero sub .28 CD which is why they can reach 200 mph/320 kph, they keep the downforce low to keep the driving competitive unlike F1 where nobody passes anybody ever.

[@speedx357ify]

I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name its partly because of the ground effect are that's achieved by basically gluing the cars to the track with super low travel setups and no ride height rules. Seems strange to think it matters in a low tecm stock car but it dose.

[@Logan912]

A THICC Brit in a H E A V Y BOI

[@mrs.monkey8441]

It really isn’t a heavy car

[@maximuscervantes5546]

Lexy Thomas actually 3250 lbs😂

[@Nyctophiliac.]

@@maximuscervantes5546 thats pretty damn heavy compared to most race cars

[@danielestrada8932]

Imagine the downforce

[@maximuscervantes5546]

Pandem R32 Skyline compared to most supercars, not really but for a race car yes I’ve seen a video of someone doing a 6:49 in this car

[@EGHeartattack]

NASCAR on Nordschleife = Drift missle

[@ajamcan7264]

Gas, gas, gas. I’m gonna step on the gas tonight tonight

[@josephhouk6703]

I would contend that you put Junior or Jeff Gordon behind the wheel of a Cup car on Nord, they'd floor it through the carousels. Those things had enough banking, they'd be used to it.

[@Plums72]

Joseph Houk Tony Stewart would drive the wheels off the car at Nordschleife

[@josephhouk6703]

Well, duh.

[@erickling87]

As a huge junior fan i would love to see JR do that but there are much better options out there. Stewart, Chase Elliott just to name a couple.

[@ghomerhust]

the karussel is a slow corner due to it being smoothed concrete, and for being VERY rough. i have well over 100 laps on the REAL ring, and my stripped out vw (with nearly 2000 dollars in springs and struts under it, tuned) would bounce like crazy around that corner. between the bouncing and the low grip on the polished-by-tires concrete, you really have no option but to slow it down. especially when you consider the weight of a nascar, and the fact that you are running a tire with HUGE sidewalls. they still only run a 15 inch wheel in nascar, so the rest of the height of the tire is sidewall. BIG flex.

[@Lord_Verminaard]

I wish NASCAR would do more road courses, shows how tricky those cars are to drive. Also check out Mike Skinner at Goodwood hillclimb, pretty impressive seeing a Nascar Truck flying up the hill.

[@jdonovan74]

Bobby Labonte's run from 2015 I believe it was, at goodwood as well... Another great run. Of course that was after hitting the hay on the first run...

[@drewgalbraith4499]

They added another circuit race for this season, I'd like to see the trend continue as nascar road races are always fun to watch. ( and I do watch almost the entire season)

[@davfel]

Yeah, they have added Charlotte road course + oval. Also called Roval...

[@forzafan92]

you know thats the exact thing i told my father

[@1320crusier]

I would like to see Road America, Road Atlanta, Laguna Seca, Indy with a standing start, COTA, maybe VIR, Daytona Roval (maybe as an exhibition with NASCAR providing carbon brakes to the teams?), and a couple others but I also want them to keep most ovals with some of those on a rotating basis.

[@phyr0x353]

Jimmys previous lap times: RedBull X2010: 4:00.788 F2004: 5:10.299 2017 F1: 5:11.610 LMP1: 5:47.049 V10 Van: 6:05.518 962C: 6:26.165 NASCAR: 7:24.44 Formula E: 7:34.289

[@casscroute8706]

NASCAR faster than a formula e ? :O

[@RezaMaulana98RM98]

NASCAR Cup cars had the top speed edge. Unrestricted, Cup cars can do 230 mph easily, and even while restricted they can hit 200 rather easily; where as FE cars are, as far as I'm remember, restricted to 140 in it's current spec. Dunno if the Gen 2/Batman FE car will have a better top speed than the current gen though.

[@nbain66]

RezaMaulana98 They say 280 kph

[@disappointednep-nep2430]

The reason why it’s “so slow” is because it has mechanical grip, no ABS or traction control and 850 horsepower to the rear wheels.It completely relies on the skill of the driver. Yeah, an LMP1 car has 850 horsepower, but it’s a different 850 horsepower.

[@thecaptain5026]

dude.. it has a solid rear axle..

[@worcestershirey]

Sprint cars at the Nordschleife when

[@timwalker4945]

like outlaw sprints? thats the best idea i've ever heard

[@captainunderpants200]

Yes!

[@ldnwholesale8552]

They simply do not turn right. And have very little brakes. Though still a little better than a dragster

[@twobimmers]

Yea...definitely need to see dirt track cars on this lol

[@smithhawkins6331]

twobimmers what if there was a mod for a dirt surfaced nordschliefe? could be fun for a dirt track car and rally cars.

[@inthere2it]

Alright, I just ran the Gen 6 NASCAR Cup car around the Nordschleife with a time of 6:59.184. It wasn't a perfect lap but it wasn't too slow. The weather used was 85 degrees, partly cloudy, wind speed 2 mph N, 55 % humidity, 100% maximum track usage. Sonoma setup was used with 3.60 rear end gear.

[@alexanderpopov252]

These series are so goddamn entertaining. Your commentary is top notch too. Once you have enough times, you should probably add a board with all the times at the end of the videos.

[@mattslifka]

Jimmy could totally be a broadcast commentator. He reminds me of the commentator for Formula E

[@AmbientMike]

Totally love that this has become a regular series.

[@johnroberson5225]

I'm rather late to the comment section :P As someone who has grown up watching Nascar, this video was awesome! Yeah, NASCAR's are big and fat and definitely not made for road courses (although I do believe they have a certain setup they use at Watkins Glen and Sonoma), but they definitely produce power. I think what people don't realize is that even though these cars are designed to almost always turn left, they are always inches from each other wide-open on the throttle. Tracks like Daytona and Talladega are more than just giant ovals; Talladega has 33° of banking, Daytona has 31°. Going around both of those tracks the drivers are almost exclusively on the throttle, they only ever brake for wrecks or pit road. Knowing this information, the driver experiences around 3 G's of force in the corners and the in-car temperature ranges anywhere from 120-180° (F); they live in these elements for at minimum 3 hours. So yes, NASCAR is pretty much strictly Oval tracks....but it's not easy, neither is F1 or IMSA; each series is unique.

[@10Exahertz]

Yeah both F1 and NASCAR are good imo, theyre very different. Although I wish NASCAR races were shorter, F1 race times are just perfect.

[@hellogoodbyegoodnight]

you take a nascar, rip it around a track, make it look so damn impressive and all this while doing your own commentary at the level of a top tire broadcaster! bravo my friend!

[@musicsnob4226]

Tier not tire 😆

[@Dalton1294]

One feature that the Monster Energy Cup cars have is a driver adjustable track bar. Each diver has a switch inside their car that raises or lowers the track bar. Raising the track bar makes the more loose (more oversteer) and lower it tightens the car (more understeer)

[@Armadurapersonal]

A car that understeers and oversteers at the same time. 10/10

[@latorgatorracing]

We get boys that'll call it "pushy loose" they're so tight that any bit of throttle makes the ass end snap out

[@AceMcGhee]

You can never full appreciate NASCAR without personally going to a race. The concrete stands literally shake, and it sounds like a stampede from hell when the pack flys by.

[@cylindricalfire]

That looks extremely fun. Its less about pure speed and precision, and more about the chaos of the car and raw power. Trying to tame such a beast around such a technical track is the beauty in and of itself.

[@jimrolaand5508]

next up, try the 312t in assetto and try and get close to niki lauda's pole time in 1975 of 6.58.6!

[@rms4455]

the layout back then was over a mile longer than the modern one, so that may not work

[@gonk8465]

Ryan Shea there is a mod of the old track

[@hannesdhondt3096]

Nascar Euro Series on the Ring when?

[@Mr00Ted]

just need a billionaire Then they can make it happen, and become a millionaire!

[@gnar7003]

Maybe a few laps around for fun, a cup race will never work because the cars will fall apart around nurburg.

[@CyprusHartford]

If the cup cars should go anywhere in Europe, they should go to spa. Euro Series around the ring? I'm not so sure

[@hannesdhondt3096]

well if they should go to Europe then obviously EuroSpeedway or Rockingham Motor Speedway, bc those are the only two ovals longer than a kilometre. The Euro Series already hosts its finals in Zolder, so maybe Spa would be to much for Belgium, better to hold it in Germany or UK, the biggest markets.

[@1320crusier]

Monza.

[@dontneedme25]

First video I ever watched of yours and I absolutely loved it! The commentary was amazing! Great stuff, mate! I’ll be following you!

[@phur3i0n]

Loving this series Jimmy! Cant wait to see what's next to lap! Even if it's more mundane cars like a stock mx5 maybe, just so we can see you push it to its limit!

[@badbooking3221]

Somewhere Dale Sr. is saying, "That's my boy!"

[@joec6108]

Not many things sound better than a NASCAR screaming down the track at full throttle

[@TripAMD]

Welcome to NASCAR! It ain't ever gonna be easy. These babys don't just drive themselves. Damn good job! Liked and subbed👍

[@Marctheshark22]

We use the curbs to turn these things on our road course. It’s your best friend with these cars but that’s why they’re so much fun to drive and watch on road courses!

[@CirrusGorringe]

This is what makes NASCAR so great. The cars are absolute dogs of horsepower, mechanical grip, and nothing else. It truly proves the strength of a driver, if he can wrestle a car like this, he can drive anything. No ABS, no TCS, no stability control, just 3 pedals, a steering wheel, and a track. It's not the fastest, but it's damn near the most difficult.

[@joe_lucid00]

Cirrus Gorringe that's why I wish they did more than just the two road courses

[@connorjaneu3021]

Joe Watson They used to, and they're starting to do more of them again.

[@bruhbbawallace]

Not to mention the fact that all the cars are identical in all but body shape and setup means the outcome is determined purely by driver and crew skill and not how much money the team owner can shell out.

[@mrdrprofmech9392]

boy have you ever been more wrong in your life

[@CirrusGorringe]

MrDrProfessorMech how am I so wrong? Are these cars easy to drive? Please explain

[@knightofmordor]

Test the formula x car from project cars 2 around Nordschleife Next? Maybe even some classic lotus F1 cars?

[@nubisuri]

Anirudh Shirsat he did it before... check the videos

[@nubisuri]

oh sorry, my fault... he did the old and new f1 car and the red bull concept, but not the fx

[@slopestyleer5160]

nubisuri another good sim racing youtuber called ricky brosh gaming tried the fx around the nordschleife

[@theodorthfc1797]

Ricky and Jimmy are love

[@Br00dje]

The formula x car is cool until you hit max revs in 6th gear

[@Sematimore]

Love this sort of stuff! Low aero and big power really put car (and self) control on the pedestal.

[@braydenfletcher8159]

I've been waiting for this! So excited to watch it!

[@arranmc182]

Video should be renamed to "how to overdrive a stock car"

[@dschoene57]

I'd love to see the outside view of that lap. It must be epic.

[@MattChaffe]

10:16 Weighs more than the sun XD That was freaking awesome man, I don't know how the hell you held on to that thing!

[@nolanjudkins7151]

Well the whole suspension and mounting points are specifically made to allow the car to turn left as fast as possible. I'd like to see how a cup team would modify the car to be able to run on the Nordschleife.

[@PrestonR60]

They build specific cars for the road course races they have but I I think they would have to come up with a completely different setup for this track

[@artoub8143]

I hope you try F1 on dirt

[@SadMarinersFan]

Artuurs Bunts formula x from project cars 2 on a rally circuit.

[@kenkalajdzic]

Artuurs Bunts He already did. McLaren MP4/12 (iirc) mod in Assetto Corsa on a rally stage (also mod, imported from RBR I think).

[@TheOtherNeutrino]

He did do a Rally stage with a 2019 F1 mod.

[@filmandfirearms]

I'll do you one better, Red Bull raced an actual F1 car on a fucking snow covered mountain

[@Cr4z3d]

@@filmandfirearms lmao

[@bradr4341]

I was thinkin all turns... ded. Great lap Jimmer. I'm a NASCAR fan (sorry) and that was quite entertaining.

[@christate7081]

Your heel to toe technique for braking is flawless man great job

[@artomotif.id2023]

3:46 "thats a...the solid rear axle- NUH UH" really got me😭

[@Siphodemos]

i wonder how wide would be the gap between the top division car, the second division car and the truck series truck

[@DuckInAParticle]

Probably not that wide between the Cup car and the B car (the one I drive most). B car is down on power, but it is slightly smaller and I think it generates more downforce. The biggest thing is you can accelerate in the B car and it won't slide around like that Cup car does all day long.

[@andrewsurowiec80]

On an oval, the gap would be huge.Cup cars hit higher speeds, and can lap an oval quicker than the xfinity series (b division), which are also faster than the truck series. On a road course, I think the xfinity series cars would beat the cup cars imo. Just because they have a lot more downforce

[@johnniegill9801]

I would love to see what Nascars would be like on some F1 Tracks

[@KeManYT]

They are actually going to Circuit of the Americas this year

[@johnniegill9801]

@@KeManYT yea I know but thats just a start I hope they can go international one day and go to Mexico go back to Canada and one place I would LOVE to see Nascar run is and I know its a stretch but The Monaco GP that would be a Dream Race to see The American Nascar on International Tracks

[@KeManYT]

@@johnniegill9801 Hear me out: Monza

[@johnniegill9801]

@@KeManYT man there is a video on here I think its Forza not sure but they have a Nascar in it with a few Tracks that I love playing on in F1 that video has my dreams all in one

[@Zimbertica]

Jimmy, love your Nordschleife series, if you haven't tried already, I have two recommendations from Project Cars 2! Nordschleife and Old Spa in the 98T! It is so much fun, both tracks are loads of fun trying to manage the power and then there's the sheer speed! With the amount of downforce and grip available once the tires are up to temp means you can throw the car around and have loads of fun! Always have a grin on my face, especially with VR! Hope to see those as vids in the future!

[@NickGoesHAM]

I find watching your videos are more entertaining to watch than when I’m actually driving. That’s probably because I suck.

[@osfponikhths]

Aussie V8 Supercars from AC mod or iRacing next?

[@LuisSilva-bc4ij]

And after that gt1 class from 98 le mans?

[@callmejohn9664]

v8 supercars are pretty much just the gt cars already in assetto

[@crazyguyfive]

Jimbo, no need for clutch while shifting, up or down. Straight cut gears. Just blip to about 40% on upshifts. more stable

[@simracing454]

I made a hotlap video of a Nascar Cup car around the Nordschliefe on my channel last year, and I too found it to be a real handful. So challenging but a ton of fun. The Nascar engine is great. I personally found the 3rd to 4th gear split way too tight on a track like this. Always an entertaining video!

[@Hansengineering]

I was completely unaware such a driving sim setup existed, and now I want one.

[@lolkingrd440]

I think you've reached peak crazyness rn lmao

[@Siphodemos]

he will reach peak when he tests a top fuel drag car on the Nordschleife

[@KingC-way425]

Fernando da Silva I actually want to see that happen😁

[@bobjkohneSenf]

A Dirt Sprint car on Nords needs to happen

[@gro_skunk]

Peak craziness will be the SRT Tomahawk X in GT Sport around the Nordschleife. If you think the x2010 was fast, the Tomahawk X can run around the ring a full minute faster. It's just sheer brutality.

[@cobrafan427]

Fernando da Silva He'd run out of fuel before Flugplatz lol

[@Johnny-mz2rd]

"i'm not that skilled" gets a sub 8 at the nord in a car designed for flat circle/oval tracks. Humble of the year award goes to?

[@Ls2Finch]

Nascars run on road too. Road America and others. This why Nascar displays great drivers

[@pv2xeek]

Flat? Have you ever seen an oval track?

[@hunnerd4566]

KillaCoilz Oval tracks are anything but flat

[@filmandfirearms]

@@pv2xeek You guys are kind of helping his point. With the amount of camber an oval track has, you barely need to steer. Gravity does a lot of the work for you

[@pv2xeek]

Meerkat More The word you're looking for is banking, not camber. And all it does is allow them to carry more speed through the corners. I can assure you they don't steer themselves.

[@f1madness331]

Your videos are actually really enjoyable

[@Ufkatuale]

Damn I love your Channel. Allways good content and damn hot synthwave music :-)

[@91Wildcat700]

NASCAR goes to Sonoma and Watkins Glen two tracks with lots of elevation.

[@specialingu]

i think games dont like twists and cambered roads/turns, specially with a "stiff" car

[@coquio]

Driving a NASCAR around the Nordschleife is like putting ketchup on your pasta.

[@GTFiorano]

Loved this one, these are proper racecars. 7:24...that is good territory

[@sting2689]

To even be able to drive a car around this course without spinning is amazing.

[@marcinreliga6101]

Jimmer, you should try something painfully slow like a fiat 500 or bmw isetta around nordschleife.

[@maitele]

Marcin Religa Reminds me of the days when I tried to drive a Honda Z ACT around the Ring in GT4. I think I got a 15 minute lap.

[@wastefellow2569]

Endurance! For a 20-minute lap

[@FoxiFyer]

Try the Formula Truck, theres a version of nords for AMS :O

[@Simracer1990]

FoxiFyer Or the Stadium Truck.

[@Moose6340]

One of my favorite iRacing races ever was running Late Models at Watkins Glen (Cup course, the short version). You put a balanced setup in the LM in iRacing and you can have some crazy run road racing. 350-400 hp and the maneuverability of a battleship! But it's actually pretty forgiving and you can race close because it doesn't have enough power to fully overwhelm everything, unlike the Cup car.

[@JFein]

I haven’t even watched yet but the concept of this video has already earned you a like and a ceremonial but entirely meaningless 10/10 from this guy

[@vali69]

Hmmm... Go kart vs nordschleife

[@s2korpionic]

Hear that? That's the sound of melting brains as Nascar haters try to comprehend what just happened in this video. "But... but... left turn..."

[@europlebr3216]

Lorentz the annoying Llama There is the first person described in the top comment.

[@xander1052]

But... but... left hand turn

[@ams_arroyo8621]

But... but... 2 road courses on the schedule...

[@sytricka3318]

@@professorfrog7181 These cars have 800hp, very little downforce, no abs, no tc, no esc, nothing, it all depends on the driver

[@jacobr6712]

@@ams_arroyo8621 *3

[@Shorts3J21]

Dude that's a awesome video please do more at different foreign tracks. Huge nascar fan and just started getting Into f1 would love to see what a nascar cup car or hell put a truck on Belgium or whatever grand prize. And let it rip

[@jakestone4675]

As a long time nascar fan. In real life they would set the car up a lot differently and tune it specifically for that kind of track. Gearing suspension camber and stagger to maximize performance on that kind of track.

[@jeremykilgore1444]

Imagine Kyle Busch in a F1 car... Lewis would have his hands full

[@tamezzodiac2862]

This is on fresh tires too imagine 5 lap tires. It would be a bitch to drive. Most the drivers say to ovals are way harder then road courses. Also ovals have bumps in the corners and on the straight witch in the corners you hit those you almost spin out. The Gen 4 was way harder to drive than this too. They made these cars miles easier to drives compared to the 90s and 80s cars.

[@joe_lucid00]

Helluva good time watching these beasts roll around the Glen. Just wish we still had Indycar ;(

[@inthere2it]

I could record a video of myself taking this beast around the Ring in VR on iRacing. Maybe I could best Jimmy's lap time. Either way, great video Jimmy!

[@travissmith4461]

Our dirt late models weigh 2350 and have 850hp, and we’re going sideways on dirt #murica

[@travissmith4461]

JW82Racing showoff lmao. Don't have enough balls or money to run with y'all. Besides down south sprint cars only race like 3 times a year.

[@travissmith4461]

JW82Racing We've had one sprint car event (the one tony Stewart runs) come down and I think one more scheduled for the next few months at North Alabama speedway. After that it'll be a couple more months before the series comes back down towards Alabama

[@travissmith4461]

Point is, sprint cars are really awesome but they don't run them on a regular basis down here (close to me)

[@codysykes5568]

"It's big, it's loud, it doesn't do anything particularly well" - that pretty much somes my country up as a whole, Jimmer.

[@wuztron]

That was incredible. I love these cars.

[@lebagnard6018]

This is what racing series should be about.

[@MrNeeds]

Nice boat physics America!

[@Logan912]

Mr Needs To be fair, most of the downforce in a stock car is generated by inertia on the banking of the turns. When most of the races in the calendar (except Sonoma, Watkins Glen, and the Charlotte roval,) benefit from straight-line speed and almost nothing else other than turning left, then it would be a waste to design a stock car for anything else.

[@tomt.1825]

Logan Palmer and the car in game is probably spec’d for ovals, not the road race spec’d version.

[@amphobius]

It is the road spec version with the rear anti-roll bar. Oval spec wouldn't pass tech.

[@stevenvaughn8431]

A super late model, street stock, or a winged sprint would be better for aero if you want an american aero car

[@kooky45]

Do you mean it has no rear diff?

[@TheMcal9909]

It has a Diff with a Solid axle, meaning the wheels can not move up and down independently. Pretty much how the rear suspension works on an old pickup truck

[@RCM1829]

These cars have a spool rear end. Which is basically locked. Not an adjustable LSD

[@specialingu]

think its detroit locker? unlocked when off throttle, locked when on throttle

[@xiii-Dex]

Definitely doesn't feel (in iRacing) like it's locked when off the throttle. So probably?

[@rdfox76]

Detroit Locker differential, which locks when on the throttle, but is unlocked when off. However, a "solid axle" means it has no independent rear suspension. Also known as a "live axle." If the left rear wheel goes up, then the right rear wheel will go down, and vice-versa. Makes for more skittish handling at the limits of traction.

[@kunu1990]

Really shows what kind of skill is required to drive a nascar racecar at the top level

[@skittlecar1]

American here. You sound like Murray Walker. I'm waiting for James Hunt to chime in. Neat video man!

[@lemkelegion]

Not to be rude but thats the point, its supposed to be hell to drive, its about testing the absolute limits of a driver and a car, thats what NASCAR is man. Live with it.

[@whoasked9500]

I think they drive like heaven!

[@randomfaca]

4:22 Sounds like your typical Walmart-going American then :>

[@myleswalton1046]

theravenousbeast because europeans are much better human beings not like they start any world wars or anything

[@randomfaca]

I thought the cheeky smile would give away the fact that I'm joking but apparently not.

[@myleswalton1046]

theravenousbeast jingles was right it *IS* easy to stir up people in the comments

[@tomt.1825]

theravenousbeast muricans don’t do cheeky

[@limestonebutter]

theravenousbeast That was a smile? That looked like the guy’s nose.

[@user-me8hc3bs7i]

I’m very late but these cars are no where near as exceptionally bad in real life on a road course. During test days at Road Atlanta they were clocking 1:23-1:24 lap times consistently in the current cars and older chassis from the mid 2000’s have been clocking 1:28-1:29 with regular SCCA drivers. To put that in perspective, GM spent an entire week tuning on the C7 Z06 with the Pratt an Miller race team at road Atlanta and even with Randy Pobst at the wheel they turned a 1:30.1. Long story short, in real life, with an actual cup driver in one of their Road Course cars, with a road course setup, it’d be sub 7:10 around the ring.

[@glenwaldrop8166]

What got you in the squigglies, not downshifting into first, staying in second, that put you right in the peak of the torque curve, it can actually make it *more* prone to breaking the rear end loose. My favorite setup is V8 RWD, so I use that often as they don't like to turn sharply without a little encouragement.

[@larrydrozd2740]

Remember.....the engine in these cars is built on a PRODUCTION engine! Not some exotic, high dollar purpose cast piece. The chassis is based on american cars from 1964!!! They make 850 horsepower, rev to 9500 rpm and do it ALL DAY LONG!!! 500 miles!!! Oh....and I remind you, they are so fast they have to be RESTRICTED on certain courses. In the proper hands (good driver) these cars can haul ass on ANY road course. Watkins Glen ???? Oval racing is not easy. It looks easy because the people that do it are SO GOOD AT IT they make it look easy. Like drag racing...."its just a straight line"??? Yes, in a 10,000 horsepower car that wants to KILL YOU!!

[@CzornyLisek]

We have in Europe normal production line engines that go well over 1000hp. Rly there is absolutely nothing special in 850hp for engine ;P

[@larrydrozd2740]

...and the reason for that is these nascar engines. Seriously. Plus, we have cars you can buy off the showroom floor that make over 700 hp. I'm not a real fan of nascar....I'm a drag race fan and Indycar fan. But I have a lot of respect for what these nascar guys can do, and innovate. The average Joe here can take a Ford Mod Motor and make 1200 easy......it isn't a big deal. But it is to race with it all day, week after week. It is impressive....

[@rafaelmoutinho3366]

the thing that we have to have in mind is that every type of motorsport is special on it´s own way. No need to say that one is easier than another. personally, im prefer f1 and gt racing, but i admire nascar and indy because they are constantly on the edge of an accident, and that accident will always be at high speeds. So the drivers are facing the danger literally at every milisecond

[@yammmit]

Rafael Moutinho its* own way.

[@yammmit]

Andrei Serban delusion*

[@andrewsurowiec80]

All I'm seeing is a bunch of Europeans saying "NASCAR is easy" and "Americans can't drive" which just certainly isn't true. I love F1 and NASCAR. Along with WEC, and Indycar as well. But let's just take a moment here and think... 2 different types of racing between F1 and NASCAR. NASCAR is constantly above 160 MPH on most tracks. F1 the average speed for most tracks sits just above 100 MPH. F1 cars are not particularly designed to race each other. NASCAR cars are. But here's the kicker Europeans, NASCAR cars are extremely hard to drive. You think it's simple, it's not. Far from it actually. Try taking a 3300 pound car into a corner at 200 MPH and holding a line. Just try it. Tell me how "easy" that is. Oh, and avoid hitting the wall too. You Europeans don't realize how actually hard it is to drive a stock car around an oval. It's pathetic honestly. I love both series a lot too, but if you're an ACTUAL racing fan, you're not going to dis a series because they only turn left. You Europeans need to grow the fuck up, and shut the fuck up. NASCAR is a lot harder than you think

[@danielwilliams1700]

Its nice to see someone with a brain on KZbin for once. Good on you, mate.

[@stevenhickenjr]

To be honest, by Europeans you mean the whole world. The British have great oval racing and yeah there are a lot of snobby, deluded pricks here but stock car racing isn't that bad to us because ours is as old as yours. It is mostly the "continental Europeans" along with the Formula 1 plastic fans in Africa and Asia, who've never been in a race in their life. Then again, most of these pricks have never even driven a kart well or done a track day. I'm an iRacer, and I can say there aren't many Europeans who do well on the oval and the ones who do are Finnish or British.

[@nyrkyg2213]

And an f1 car isnt hard to drive A NASCAR might be tough but its nothing compared to driving a formula 1

[@AAA310]

@@stevenhickenjr driver of the century was aj foyt. American lol

[@kevintejera8478]

Lol and add 40 cars into the mix

[@Papa_-mh9nr]

interesting video thanks for showing us what a Nascar car handles this track

[@justgrayyy105]

I rode in a NASCAR Stock Car in Disney world at the Richard Petty Driving experience. The feeling of the car pulling out of the corners is vague, but we were capping out at 150 mph on the straight. I was only 9 and I wish I appreciated it more back then. The track is long gone and since replaced by a hotel I believe.

[@VulcanGamesReal]

Just something you may want to know, when upshifting, these cars dont need to use a clutch, you just have to blip the throttle. You technically dont need it for downshifting, but most drivers use it for that at Watkins Glenn or Sonoma

[@Jimmy_Broadbent]

I go over that in the video.

[@VulcanGamesReal]

Jimmy Broadbent yea I saw that shortly afterwards and meant to edit the comment. Great vid tho

[@Ravsieg]

The "Hornet" sticker.

[@Abhijeetmithukr]

That heel toe technique is dope man!

[@christofferrodgreffel6633]

Hi Jimmy. An idea for your Nordschleife videos could be to leave a live timer running on the screen and compare the differnet vehicles times at the end :)

[@trulyinfamous]

Nordschleife and Silverstone GP are definitely my favorite tracks in project cars.

[@dylmwidner]

The interesting thing with NASCAR that not many people know is that their cars are setup different for every track, and not just the suspension and the ways you can set up a road car; they can change the way the roll cage flexes too. Road Course roll cages are a lot more symmetrical and have a little more stiffness to be able to go left and right without oversteering around a corner. On top of that, the mechanical grip that these cars make on a road course is pretty much the only thing that gets them around the track. I guarantee if a NASCAR team went to the Nord for a weekend, they’d be able to set up the car to go close to sub 7 minutes, if not faster.

[@831543]

i like that kind of miami vice musik at the beginning !!

[@elcontrastador]

Interesting! Can't wait to get into sim racing.