Gun Gripes Episode 11: The 4473 Fiasco

GUN GRIPES NOW IN PODCAST FORM! iraqveteran8888...
AMAZON Store: amzn.to/2H7Lq6Y
PATREON: / iv8888
JOIN USCCA LEGAL SELF DEFENSE NETWORK: usccapartners.c...
CHECK OUT OUR MUSIC CHANNEL: / guitarsenal
A little lengthy but I think the point of the video is quite clear. A little bonus footage at the end. We plan on filming more guns sales and transactions to share with you in the future.
DISCLAIMER: Our videos are strictly for documentary, educational, and entertainment purposes only. All shooting is performed on state-approved firing ranges under the supervision of trained professionals. Imitation or the use of any acts depicted in these videos is solely AT YOUR OWN RISK. All work on firearms should be carried out by a licensed individual and all state and federal rules apply to such. We (including KZbin) will not be held liable for any injury to yourself or damage to your firearms resulting from attempting anything shown in any of our videos. We do not endorse any specific product and this video is not an attempt to sell you a good or service. We are not a gun store and DO NOT sell or deal in firearms. Such a practice is heavily regulated and subject to applicable laws. We DO NOT sell parts, magazines, or firearms. We are not instructing our viewers on how to modify firearms, accessories or otherwise to change their basic legal function. These videos are free to watch and if anyone attempts to charge for this video notify us immediately. By viewing or flagging this video you are acknowledging the above.
Fair Use: In the rare instance we include someone else’s footage it is covered in Fair Use for Documentary and Educational purposes with the intention of driving commentary and allowing freedom of speech.

[@jahbrown14]

It would be funnier if the blind guy after purchasing his gun start complaining about the factory sights

[@briandavenport8971]

Mishaco would complain about the factory sights.

[@DanielGonzalez-vj4dg]

😂😂

[@abstractapproach634]

No way, I am picturing a ninja. He can echo locate you with a single closing of the bolt

[@john_avery_smith1009]

"We sold a gun to a blind man!" "We sold a gun to a woman with no arms!" I love it lol

[@user-qu6ij5sl1v]

I love people exercising their rights but the blind guy unloading at bumps in the night.... ..... ......... that is not how I learned gun safety lol

[@Jeremy_Meeks]

Lmfao

[@Alex425trejo]

she has an firearm tho

[@aft5264]

How the hell can a blind person learn how to properly and accurately shoot a gun?

[@tomdobrokhot7300]

@@aft5264 lol look up Mishako. He has hundreds of guns and is blind. Lol

[@ianthegodking]

Can you imagine... Eric: "month of birth" Customer "10" Eric: "no put it in words" Customer: "Ten" Eric..................... FUCKING PRICELESS HAHAHA

[@wcanaday234]

Well, the guy could have answered that it was so long ago and he was so young at the time that he'd forgotten.

[@LUR1FAX]

I work in IT. I deal with users every day who are that frustrating to deal with. Heck some of them don't even know how to use a light switch.

[@richiej2640351]

I miss barry

[@clachapelle]

I wish I had a chance to meet him..

[@richiej2640351]

C.J. LaChapelle I never have myself, but yes I agree I would have loved to have met him and just spoke with him for a day. R.I.P Barry

[@wmhhealth2018]

He was a wonderful man

[@shevchenko7cfc941]

I'm a relatively new sub to this channel but I've watched a very large percentage of these videos, and I was devastated when I saw the video mentioning his passing. I like Chad, and he does a great job on this channel, but Barry was such a great. RIP legend

[@endprocess9479]

Who doesn't

[@MrUnderhook]

Are you a fugitive from justice? Why...yes. Yes I am. That's why am filling out this form for a gun.

[@spacetrucker2952]

The best feeling in the world is paying for the gun and watching the guy box it up for you. For me, it's like opening the "BIG GIFT" on Christmas morning.

[@LeroyLegacy]

I just got a Tavor X95, today...i knkw exactly what you're talking about

[@SkipTerrio]

These same people who can't spell their names can vote. Far more troubling than their ownership of a firearm, in my view.

[@wcanaday234]

Not only CAN they vote, but according to the presidential elections of 2008 and 2012, they DO vote.

[@applejacks971]

W Canaday That's funny right there lol!!! Awesome!! 2 thumbs up!

[@kalijasin]

What if you got 4 or 5 names and that's your legal name or name on the birth certificate? There are people who have 2 middle names, hyphenated last names, etc.

[@bartvanriel6767]

Would be nice if you get an official IQ test before voting and every point above 100 equals 1 vote, nobody below 100 can vote and someone with an iq of 120 has a twice as powerful vote as someone with an iq of 110

[@emperorpalpatine1228]

They can also drive a 2,000lb death machine.

[@anthonykallio]

the lady with nubs must've been preparing for ARMageddon..

[@morbidminister6669]

HA!

[@patriot7260]

+anthony kallio xD God damn it that's bad yo.

[@anthonykallio]

too soon?

[@dadude4960]

get out!

[@darksu6947]

Big oof!

[@5jjt]

Barry cracks me up. I enjoy his sense of questioning, reasoning, and humor.

[@traviscloud3941]

I used to work at a big box store doing gun sales My favorite was the guy who had no idea what his physical address, zip-code, nor what county he lived in....We just terminated the sale at that point.

[@death299]

Travis Cloud live someplace long enough without having to shift anything around and those details do start to blur Or if you move around alot (Try keeping up with counties, addresses and zips as you move around every 6 months)

[@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917]

I used to travel a lot and play a lot of gigs. So in 2015 I had the idea of buying a RV (a 22 footer) and living and traveling in it for a few years until I sold it (I'm renting a house now). Anyways, although it was fun (and cheap if you were diligent and planned thoroughly; gotta have access to power, water, and sewage for emptying the grey and black water tanks), it caused a bit of headaches when it came to proof of residence, ESPECIALLY for things like buying a gun. Attached to my Drivers License was a California address (my moms house) but I still needed an additional proof of residence (in California you do at least), which was impossible because I didn't actually live at that address (however I would sometimes park there). One of the gun shops I went to had an employee who was perturbed that I couldn't produce an additional proof of residence. I went back and forth with him over options for a while and I got the impression that he didn't want anything to do with me, because I found out later from a buddy of mine that I could just buy a fishing license (which somehow works as an additional proof of residence). When I brought that up to the gun shop employee, he said "Yea you could do that"... I silently thought to myself "Well why didn't you tell me the first time?".🙄

[@CaliRob281]

Why do you say 'technically we're not allowed to let you see this form'?, the ATF has a pdf of it on their website where I can read it, along with the notes all day?

[@MaynardOwns]

Might have been a rule back before the internet.

[@MaximRecoil]

@@MaynardOwns It was never a rule. It's just that Eric isn't the fastest car on the lot.

[@darksu6947]

@@MaximRecoil Or the brightest crayon in the box. But he is very knowledgeable about the actual firearms

[@donaldmack2307]

MaximRecoil Leave Eric alone! Lmao

[@dead_p1xl964]

If someone can't spell their name or state of residence, I question whether they are mentally capable of safely handling a firearm. That's like scary incompetent.

[@iwanalotamarijuana]

+DEAD_P1XL haha I agree, but everyone has the unalienable right to defend themselves

[@dead_p1xl964]

iwanalotamarijuana Let them buy a big stick then. If you can't spell your own name or recite your date of birth, you shouldn't be able to kill someone at a distance at will regardless of perceived 'rights'.

[@dead_p1xl964]

iwanalotamarijuana Competence to safely handle a firearm *is* a necessity to own a firearm, not being able to correctly spell your name *is* an indication you are not competent in general, and a stick *is* an appropriate allowable alternative for the people who are not competent to handle firearms. If you're one of those fucking nutjobs that thinks blind people should be allowed to carry firearms "because equality, because rights" then you're simply fucking stupid and in denial of reality, and there's not much else to say to you.

[@WhoIsJoeShmoe]

Forget mentally capable, more like whether they're a felon or not. I work at the gun counter in a sporting goods store, and if someone is filling out a 4473 and needs to look at their driver's license to write their address down I find it a little unusual but excusable. But if someone "can't spell" their name or "doesn't know" their date of birth, that would reek of something highly illegal to me. Should I believe that this person has gotten through their life, including any schooling, obtaining that driver's license from the state DMV, or the work they likely do to afford the gun, without having their freaking name and birthday committed to memory? It would seem like they were impersonating someone else or lying about their age in order to obtain a firearm that they presumably couldn't otherwise, and if I were to suspect any fishy business like that I'd have to deny the sale. Very sketchy.

[@dead_p1xl964]

WhoIsJoeShmoe I really don't care if they're a felon or not. Some felons are bad people, some are not. Having committed a crime in the past doesn't mean you are only going to commit crimes in the future. What you are describing is either fraud (representing yourself as someone you're not) or a straw purchase (buying the weapon for someone else who can't legally own it). Both are already very illegal. I really think it's more important that people who can't spell their name or give the correct date of birth don't have guns than that some guy who got pulled over and charged with assaulting an officer for spitting on a rude cop. Or someone who got locked up for violating probation on a child support charge. There's just no blanket "They were charged with a felony, they're a bad person." There *is* a blanket "They can't spell their name or remember when they were born, they're an idiot or mentally disabled".

[@marcusthompson7417]

We need more gun shops like you guys. Not many places will spend time to educate new gun owners about what gun might best fit their intended use. Kudos! Looking forward to more episodes.

[@procrastinator6902]

My local gun dealer had to call me back once to fill out another form because I filled it out in blue ink...the color they provided me with 🙄 Also, I have no idea what Eric is talking about allowing us to see the form. It's available for anyone to see on government websites.

[@LeroyLegacy]

I thought he was being facetious. Hes serious?!

[@ironcladpatriot5829]

I'm still trying to figure out why we have to ask the government for permission to exercise constitutional rights.

[@bigredone1030]

and that government extortion fee to do so

[@5jjt]

Yes, why do we accept the potential tyrranizers ro call the shots and make the rules when they've been prohibited by the Constitution?

[@flatmoon6359]

Because some people shouldn't be allowed a knife and fork,let alone a weapon.

[@ClergetMusic]

You have a point.

[@scottstewart1974]

Another common mistake of government forms is using the wrong type of pen. Signatures must be signed in blood, mmmkay..

[@simonbarabash2151]

It needs to be the blood of a school shooting victim killed by a scary black babykilling, puppy kicking assault weapon, mixed with a single one of Obama's tears.

[@jefferyboring4410]

No but it’s supposed to be black ball point ink . I’m serious that’s what it’s supposed to be can’t be blue or something like that

[@blackXhawksXkickXbut]

The first time I filled one out I wrote "USA" for county lol.

[@firearmfiasco2227]

non Hispanic or Hispanic is completely separate from race and I always forget to mark it

[@kalijasin]

There's only one race.

[@SUBARCTICPSYCHO]

Jason C. That's denying biology.

[@CountArtha]

Heredity, maybe; but biologically, you have more in common with a black guy who shares your blood type than a white guy who doesn't.

[@bartvanriel6767]

Jason C. True but only one modern human race called homo sapiens

[@bartvanriel6767]

@I AM ALIVE !!!!! I am not denying there are differences in culture, appearance or lifestyle and I'm the opposite of a marxist called libertarian

[@patriotmaine1851]

“We sold a gun to a blind guy” “hell we sold a gun to a lady with no arms, she could load a magazine with her nubs.” 😂😂😂😂😂😂 and this is why I binge watch Gun Gripes! Much love from Maine 🤙🤙

[@seanyager3177]

I know! Absolutely hysterical! Man I miss Barry ...

[@chriskelly509]

gripe about being 21 to buy "pistol ammo"

[@chriskelly509]

I just did a video on being 21 to buy pistol ammo

[@ottergreen8190]

After watching this video, I literally reviewed my first form 15 times and took 20 mins to fill out. After that, the employee said that’s the most thorough he’s seen anyone fill it.

[@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917]

"We're not gonna risk an FFL license because somebody doesn't know how to spell Georgia" I was in the middle of falling asleep and that shit just made me burst out laughing for whatever reason lol

[@capricornman89]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@shawnbane585]

My favorite question on the 4473 Are you a fugitive from justice

[@tim7325]

@Shoudday Cha Luckily the Fed government only recognizes two genders. They could add a "Gender Dysphoria" option with an automatic yes to #11.

[@RAIDER8388]

Ooohhh the dreaded Hi-Point...

[@mikehoncho658]

Ian Kollar and look who’s buying it

[@nateo200]

If non-FFL's and dealers are not supposed to see 4473's then why do I have the latest copy of it in PDF form not to mention a photo copy from my most recent purchase last month?

[@shawnschaitel838]

+nateo200 the pdf version exists largely for training and for dealers to print off forms if they run out and some dealers even though its frowned upojn are allowed to photocopy one for the purchasers

[@PhilipKestell]

+Shawn Schaitel But if I am not supposed to see it why is it available from the ATF directly?

[@nateo200]

+Philip Kestell Seriously lol doesn't make much sense. Don't see the harm in posting it either.

[@shawnschaitel838]

Philip Kestell a loophole in the law that was made for easiness for ffl dealers

[@shawnschaitel838]

***** nope it has nothing to do with state or "constitutional carry" laws at i just talked to my local ATF in the twins and they said the form is required to be online because its FEDERAL LAW in fact they gave me this link via email to help explain it www.atf.gov/firearms/applications-eform-4473

[@jazzman5598]

“If you are born with no arms you learn how to do things” Amen & GBU Sister!

[@CRoyJenkins1]

4:43 "I can spell it however I want!" XD

[@GarretGoodbarrel]

I'm guilty of pulling out my license to see how my middle name is spelled haha

[@MisterBones2910]

+Kyle Clark Every time I have to put my middle name on a form I spend a half-second trying to remember whether or not it's spelled 'Mc' or 'Mac' but then I remember that my legal middle name is actually Bishop, after the android from Aliens. My dad is a bit of a geek.

[@CentralFloridaHipHop]

Lol i actually misspelled my middle on my last form. Thankfully the guy was cool and he let me redue it. Honest mistake really i never use my middle in anything.

[@lesbiansaregoodandch]

Kyle Clark You're not alone! I've had to relearn how to spell my middle name several times. Granted it is a weird Italian name haha.

[@JJ_SDWR]

I hope your middle name isn't Bob.

[@grocerygoat06]

I always get confused on the spelling of Joseph. I misspell it a lot Joesph..

[@jdaz5462]

You can show the form. It's published on the BATFE's website. That's complete nonsense when you say you can't show it.

[@nateo200]

AR556NATO Yeah I just posted that! I have it in PDF form plus on my last 4473 last month I looked through the whole thing.

[@nigahiga6400]

+AR556NATO They don't want to show it in their video because someone can use it to claim they are coaching people into filling out the form a certain way. Some dealers are really paranoid about the 4473. My local FFL will not allow me to bring in a form I printed off the ATF website. If a gun shop loses their FFL due to a 4473 form issue then they're bust.

[@MrYoutub59]

good to see you working with people to show them how to use a fire arm.

[@wsg4847]

Damn, I miss Barry. May he RIP.

[@tatsngrass]

I'm 22 years old and have been looking to purchase my first firearm. All of your videos have been very helpful when it comes to safety and helping me narrow down the options that can seem overwhelming at first. Thank you guys very much. God Bless!

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

Of course the biggest stereotype at the end

[@clayschu]

Hahahaha they are buying a hi-point! I'm dying.

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

***** Fear not. I'm sure they'd didn't get approved. I live in IL, Chicago to be specific and we need to show our FOID card before we even breath on the display case.

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

***** Tell me about it. Our state and especially our city directly violates the law, the 2nd amendment. Ya know, that pesky little "shall not be infringed". It's beyond belief they get away with it. But liberals sure love the 1st amendment. ..but fail to remember what amendment secures our 1st.

[@UMAMIMAMU]

UnaSolida What's the stereotype? I don't see it. The only stereotype I see are these racist comments. The girl looked like she was pregnant. Perhaps they're a decent, law abiding couple who wanted an affordable means to defend themselves and their family. Or is that not possible because they're black? I didn't realize that every black man was a pimp and every black woman was a prostitute.

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

UMAMIMAMU That the black people were looking at a hi point. Pretty self explanatory. Don't get all self righteous on me.

[@crcornish]

Howdy from Upstate NY. Pistol permit holders here have to do a background check for ANY new rifle and all handgun purchases. NJ residents can not legally carry a firearm and need to purchase a permit for EACH firearm. I am not sure we have as many people forgetting their middle name though.......You guys are one of my true favorites on the interweb.

[@TheBerettaGuy]

I was shocked when I bought my very first gun. I walked into the shop, and told them the gun I wanted. They brought one out, I filled out the 4473, and 10 minutes later I walked around back and bought a box of bullets and took it to the range. It was that easy and that quick. I went from 0 to armed and dangerous in under 1/2 hour.

[@2advocate897]

yea...whats your point?

[@emperorpalpatine1228]

Same. The background takes like 15 minutes now.

[@BreadAndGatorade]

Armed yes. Dangerous? Are you looking to do crime with your new weapon? What makes you armed AND dangerous?

[@chipandfran]

#12 Should be about SAFETY RULES! I bet lots of newbies and some of us older folks could use a refresher course. For my kids a video like this would be very helpful as well. (how far the projectile goes, what's behind the target or woods etc...) Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@johnchetcuti9960]

The form is online. Why can't you show it to anybody?

[@overcastandhaze]

Liability

[@johnchetcuti9960]

Okay. Thanks for the response.

[@xithappens]

+John Chetcuti That's the point, I don't think there's any liability against them if the documents are freely available by just googling 4473. it's in the public domain.

[@zacharytomes5202]

@@xithappens Dont want someone to accuse them of coaching people on how to fill them out. Like they said, the ATF doesnt play around when it comes to this subject

[@jacktheaviator4938]

I know it sounds stupid, but the ATF is allowed to distribute the form any way they see fit, but a dealer or private individual isn't allowed to distribute the very same form. It isn't logical, but few things involving the federal government are logical.

[@thesomething8467]

That guy in the end: 'Yea I totally know how guns work, I've seen it in movies.'

[@thebigb39]

If someone can't spell their name they may not need a firearm . Lol

[@death299]

thebigb39 why? Many soldiers hroughout U.S history have been illiterate and handled firearms fine Most people until recently were unable to read and write Demers (canada) is illiterate, and was considered a fantastic candidate for office (which has a much larger bearing than being illiterate and buying a gun) Illiteracy has no impact on it

[@death299]

@@Ghost1gx knowing how to use a weapon has nothing to do with your education level or ability to spell your name. there are still many cultures, and individuals in places such as america that simply don't celebrate or care about ones birthday, it's not a hard thing to forget unless you're constantly demanded to repeat it there are many individuals still alive today that can't spell their name that at one point served in the military, hell there are medics that can't (wee serving 10 years and only learning the basics during a fight with the VA to get benefits) using "education" as a measuring stick beyond one's ability to use the weaponry in question is absurd. you don't know the inner workings of the rifle, nor can you tell me precisely why the measurements used were used, or why materials in question were determined to be the best compromise even going outside of that, "basic" education varies not only from nation to nation but from state to state..even city to city within a given state the differences are vast even in high powered careers that you'd openly put your life betting that they can save your life or do a job..not all are particularly well educated outside of their particular profession because they don't need it either way, it's far less dangerous than our military training gang members and their tactics ending up on the streets to be used

[@badlilcarboy1]

9:07 I had to show a police officer how to clear a 1911 handgun once. Even the other officers were embarrassed for him, but thanked me for being so understanding

[@pirobot668beta]

Question: If I were to come into your shop, fill out the form, and you saw that I answered 'yes' to question 11-f, would you feel bad about me not getting a gun that day? I would appear normal, intelligent, knowledgeable about guns, gun safety, reloading and gun lore. Nothing in my demeanor or bearing would suggest that 12 years ago I had been under a 14 day court-ordered involuntary psychiatric hold. Going to that hospital saved my life. Losing my gun rights suck, but I see the wisdom in this case. I respect you guys and the work you are doing. Thanks to you, I get to shoot guns by proxy!

[@MW-tv2xj]

Gun show bro

[@pirobot668beta]

I just told you that I have a condition that makes me potentially dangerous, and you say I am a p*ssy because I choose [note the choice part] not to have deadly weapons at hand? I can see that questions of safety, self-honesty and public responsibility are jokes on this board.

[@pirobot668beta]

I am starting to think you just might be far more dangerous than I am. I know my limitations, and like an adult, do not foolishly try to live beyond them. The good ole boys know this as "Never drive faster than your Angels can fly" You seem to think that anyone not as strong as you doesn't deserve to live. Sociopaths tend to think that way. BTW, I gave up 1911 Kimber, Gp-100, HK-91, Browning Citori and a Tokarev. Reloaing supplies for all the above, 5000+ rounds. Voluntarily. What have you ever scarified to make your life better?

[@MW-tv2xj]

Darwin was a sociopath? Intelligence is received as evil, sure but it doesn't make it the same. I didn't even kill Taliban bro, I didn't back down but I just never had the chance. I'm a firm believer in euthanasia, if you aren't making our race stronger and better you shouldn't reproduce. So in a sense you shouldn't have been born, it's sounds mean but if our race is to get rid of insane people killing others, it doesn't start with the weapons it starts with you.

[@pirobot668beta]

The original point I posted on was this: some questions on that most hated of all forms are not 'negotiable'. I agree that some of the disqualifiers are debatable, some just stupid. What fugitive has ever been caught by being honest? Not all Felons are violent... Not all protection orders are legit... Addicts can be treated... But question 11-f, dealing with "..mental defects.." "..court ordered treatment.." and such is a good one. I know, this makes me the peak of Evil to agree with the Fed, but have you read question 11-f? Would you feel good about giving a weapon to a person who has had an involuntary lock-up in a mental hospital? Would you ant an armed psych patient as a neighbor? I wouldn't! Any reasonable, responsible person would feel sick at the idea of an 8 time hospitalized person in control of a gun. I do, and I am that guy! I sold my guns voluntarily after getting out of Hospital. No big-bad gummint came and snatched 'em. I was surprised the Doctors didn't even ask if I had weapons at home! Is being honest about your limitations have to come with a death penalty, MW? BTW, I ran over 12,000 round through my GP-100, competed in Practical Pistol, all manner of bowling-pin/popper shoots and the like. 5000+ rounds on the 1911, 1500+ rounds HK-91 and 2500+ rounds Tokarev. Not once did carry any gun as 'protection'.

[@DaytonaRoadster]

and yeah Barry, thats why i got my CCW too, i rarely carry, but it does save a lot of time when buying one

[@lorddarphyve]

If I were selling someone a firearm and they were incapable of spelling their own name, I would refuse the sale.

[@h2o4170]

Barry when I was about 7 in Michigan my great grandpa (a old trapper) showed me the cut shots you show and I've always had a handful on hand . Great advice

[@spacetrucker2952]

Eww, a high point.

[@mmz77]

SPACE TRUCKER no it’s a glock 40

[@stevemccolley9706]

Love these old videos with Barry I hope he is living it up in Heaven!!

[@philipd442]

Wish they had got that woman in, she sounds incredible!

[@kellyshea92]

I wish Barry was still alive to see the new 2020; 4473 form

[@Imightberiding]

This is absurd. You fellows should be discouraging these people who have the limited intelligence to fill out a basic form rather than encouraging them & helping their simple minds along a very simple path. This is the sort of thing that scares the shit out of me. As long as someone makes their mark? You don't even have to know how to read? These people should be turned away with extreme prejudice.

[@wcanaday234]

The form, itself, is not exactly 'standard English'. I have a pretty broad vocabulary and spent my high school summers reading the compiled laws of Michigan ... and still I can see room to make errors on this form. An ex-wife filed a false accusation of domestic violence. That is now illegal to do in Michigan. But, if I just noticed the words "domestic violence", I would have checked the "yes" box. Fortunately, noting that the form was worded in 'legalese', I paid close attention to the exact wording of the questions.

[@piquazhang]

The thing that scares me is that you would someone's rights away because of education level. The fact that you automatically jump to the conclusion that someone who is poorly educated is a bad and evil person is one of the most shortsighted and ignorant things I've ever seen. Especially with your haughty delivery. Who the fuck are you to judge someone who may have grown up in extreme poverty or had a learning disability that couldn't be addressed at the time? You are the very fucking reason that we fight so hard to keep guns. You are the reason we help rural 60 year olds fill out their firearms forms. You stand for an elitist paradigm that is totally contrary to freedom or reason. You are the type of person who threw mentally handicapped people into insane asylums during the 60s. I highly suggest you rethink or maybe even think about the shit you believe in. You and people like you are Baby Hitler's in the making. I guarantee you that smart people have done more harm to others than dumb people ever have. What a fucking joke you and your opinions are. You fascist pig.

[@Imightberiding]

piquazhang Wow! You sure told me. If you read my comment, you would have noticed that I made no mention as to one's level of education. I was speaking to a basic level of intelligence that is reasonably expected of those who acquire a license or permit to operate, own or otherwise presume personal responsibility whereby either themselves or others may ultimately be placed in harms way or worse. Be it a vehicle, gun, plane, ship or business that can all pose threats in different ways. I myself am a prime example of the countless who have not been afforded the higher levels of education that more affluent people have handed to them. Again, no reference was made on my part as to any person's educational achievements or lack thereof. Just a little common sense as to those who might not be intellectually capable of realizing the full responsibility of gun ownership.

[@Imightberiding]

W Canaday A very good reason for having the intellectual ability & capacity to thoroughly read & fully understand a document & whatever responsibilities that may come with it, prior to signing one's name. The complete understanding, comprehension & fulfillment of the responsibilities of any contract are of much more significance & importance than the ability to mark an "X" on the dotted line.

[@Sarthur84]

That is something that has been changed. The DoJ / ATF has said that the person who is wanting the gun, MUST be the person filling out the 4473, and MUST be the person signing & dating #16 & #17 validating the form. So, if you have a physical disability that prevents you from being able to write; then you are NOT allowed to have someone else complete the form. This policy has been to the Fed. court system, and found that since the core of the 4473 is a test; if the person does not have the physical ability to fill out a simple, then they do not have the physical ability to safely handle a firearm. I too have seen people fill out several forms before they got it right. I have also had to turn customers away, because they could not complete the form on their own.

[@ivansexe1769]

What you said about the blind guy."Here a bump in the night, I'm sure he could put six shots through a doorway." OMG! I haven't laughed that hard at KZbin in a while!

[@lordofyesteryear]

Oh wow the black guy buying a high point... come on son.

[@2advocate897]

probably used it to rob the wafflehouse the next day lol

[@alexm566]

The form is available online guys, it's s couple seconds Google away.

[@LanceCannibal]

I have sold many firearms at my previous job, and it is amazing how people who get flustered at questions will answer them wrong. The brain shuts off and they just start checking off things that do not apply to them. I usually spent a good 5 minutes explaining in detail how to properly fill out the form, as far as personal information. I also told the customer if they had any doubt about a question, to ask ME first. I never gave them answers, but I explained what the question meant.

[@dovahspy9813]

"We're not supposed to allow people to see this form" Especially if someone is buying a gun

[@sununconquered]

Thanks for posting this, I didn't realise that buying a firearm is a bit of a ball-ache in some parts of the US. I'm from Britain and hold a firearms license, obviously our gun laws are much more restrictive but when it comes to purchasing a firearm I simply show the gun shop assistant my license and buy the gun, no messing about filling in forms at the shop itself.

[@MacDonaldSeumas]

Clip is a strip of metal with no springs which holds rounds, and you push the rounds into the guns magazine and you take the clip off the gun onece all the rounds have been pushed in, it's a quicker way of loading am magazine (it sometimes does go into the gun like an M1 Garand, confusing yes). A Magazine is a piece of metal which contains a spring which contains the rounds which attaches, or is inbuilt into the firearm. The spring on the magazine pushes the rounds into the chamber.

[@mars1952]

I like it that you have snap caps to use to demonstrate.

[@MasterSh4ke]

And to save you the trouble in case you were wondering it's legal to buy a handgun once 18, atleast here in Va, but you can't get it from any ffl directly. I resorted, being 18, to a purchase from a friend for cash. I can't carry openly, without people getting scared, or concealed until 21 but you can still have the gun any other form and pick up a permit once 21.

[@Julius44bc]

"Are you a fugitive from justice?" A friend of mine told me he once had a customer answer "yes" to that.

[@JackRABBITslim27]

Man I wish Gun shops were this friendly, informative & straight forward here in California. Cali gun shops are beyond paranoid even thoe there's layer after layer of laws to prevent someone buying a weapon. It helps all gun owners when shops make sure a citezen gets something they understand and no how to operate.

[@757jlhood]

"We're not technically allowed to let you see this form"... form is on the internet in its entirety.

[@erp65]

I'd trust that blind guy with a gun more than some of the clowns I've seen at the range.

[@RideZLightnin]

Love All The Gun Gripes videos....very informative and helpful information...Keep em' coming...Thanks : )

[@JEMANF]

RIP Barry, such a cool guy

[@heyoldtime8969]

OMG you are so right. I sell guns in Louisiana and It's amazing what I see on an everyday basis.

[@jessemurray2802]

I really like the fact that you s show the proper and safe use to new gun owners. That is very kind of you.

[@MagsZ4U]

I live in PA and here we have to fill out that form regardless of whether or not we have a CCW Permit. And I worked with the State Police taking care of the communications here, I own a PA CCW, Utah CCW and Arizona CCW and still I have to fill out that form.

[@johnsmith-jm9nw]

"she can load a gun with those nubs" haw haw haw

[@RezaQin]

Man, I filled out mine on a laptop. I love Texas too!

[@killjoy29650]

When I was a kid I remember being told over and over that " knowledge is power ". It amazes the shit out of me that so many people can not even fill out forms to literally save their life. How many people in places of high responsibility are not trained with the tools that they use to save others lives? Nothing more unsettling than an uneducated gun owner. They are the ones who give everyone else a bad name.One bad apple to ruin the bunch.

[@Fanzysam]

Cool gun law you have over there in Georgia! Here in Finland we did get tighter laws on 2011, witch included this: An applicant for a firearm licence in Finland must pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records and this is done by your local police department and also required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, gun collecting, employment requirements.... then you can have allmost any gun you want for your particular purpose.

[@AngealHewley88]

Well, when I bought my pistol on my 21st birthday a couple years ago, with a totally spotless record, the lady called the feds. From the time it took her to punch in the first number to the time she hung up the phone was, at maximum, 4 minutes. Granted this is Georgia, the same state where these guys are :) Hope this helped a little.

[@heyyouoverthere96]

It's a government form and easily downloadable from the ATF's website. People can download it, look at the form all they want and memorize the questions.

[@magnis1]

the 4473 when combined with the FFL log book is a registration. on the 4473 you put all of your info. your social security number is optional. but lets face it your drivers licence number is there so they know who you are. now it doesn't go on the 4473 what you bought. but your info is added to the log book right next to the guns serial number. so all they have to do is pull the 4473 and match it to your info in the log book.

[@lifted0422]

One time i was buying a mini 14 i was so excited i put yes for every question you are supposd to answer no too. the guy behind the counter looked at me an said are you sure and threw it out and gave me a new one. it was funny as hell.

[@FBHSswimmer2006]

Florida is similar to Georgia when buying a gun without a Concealed Carry Permit with one exception, there is a mandatory 3 business day waiting period before you can pick up your gun. But if you do have your concealed then you can get it that day.

[@RideZLightnin]

It's amazing how the woman at the end of the video is given a gun instruction lesson....and then Barry ask for the gun back....and what does she do....points the gun right back at him in handing in back over....Definitely can understand why alot of gun store employees/owners are annoyed & frustrated with customers....Safety is always #1

[@ladiesgentswegothim]

"...and he copies it like he's tracing a picture..." LMAO

[@RezaQin]

I am so glad each gun I have ever purchased was done on the computer.

[@xSP3CTREx]

I was born without a left hand and run 5.56, 12ga, 9mm, 6.5cm platforms all day with Militia crew :D

[@cryptkeeper113]

lol "the revolver goes around and around." ...classic

[@SphinctersForever]

In California, though we do have lots of nutty laws about bullet buttons, etc., for rifles and shotguns, we just fill out that form and they run a photo Id through a Justice Dept. "quickie" background check that is done electronically on the spot. There is a waiting period for pickup, but no further documentation. For handguns it's slightly different. You have to pass a safety test, which gets you a little certificate. That certificate is needed, and then it's pretty much the same thereafter.

[@Skattles54]

I'm so glad I found these guys. And the community around here is awesome. Thank you, so much hahahahaha. :)

[@veedubklown]

I'd love a gripe video about range safety. All about muzzle flash, ear/eye protection, clearing jams on pistol/rifle/shotgun (and not pointing it at your friends while doing so). Maybe list the rules of gun safety, and emphasize on the part about knowing your backstop and beyond. The huge importance of not shooting over the berm (outdoor range). Over all, the dumb stuff you've seen at the range.

[@LPXDproductions]

When i was working at my Local Gun Store i would tell the customer take as much time with this form as you need

[@NaxTactical]

This video demonstrates to me that you guys know what you are doing, and know the business. Good to know there are people with common sense.

[@Iwatchtomuch]

I agree with everything you said. The 4473 is a pretty easy form to fill out if you can just read!

[@DeuceVideoHD]

It's on the ATF website for download, it doesn't matter what state you live in.

[@straightto8]

Problem I have with the 4473 is lack of space to write some information, no abriviations, but they let us put the number of the year instead of spelling it out, we used to do it like that, but now they will let you put the number of month, etc. In CA we need to have a HSC, Hand Gun Safety Certificate, also proof of residency and of course drivers license, not sure if there's a deal for weapons permits, but we have the 10 day wait and they are holding folks to 11 days.

[@MrJeromieh]

Kentucky is good like that, too. I once left the house, bought an AK 47, and returned home in less than an hour. Sometimes pizza delivery takes longer.

[@thedouglaspodcast]

7:50 wow.. ten years ago people said, “well things are getting so bad I need a gun” Can’t wait to watch your recent videos 😭 things have gotten a thousandddd+ times worse since this video.. gotta see what y’all are saying now..

[@thedouglaspodcast]

Oh wow you have over 2 million followers 😍 content gotta be littt lol I’m following

[@shootaglock]

@417BoyWonder the bad thing is its usually the opposite way around. Ive met a lot of gun salesman behind the counter who seem intimidated or mad if you know more than them or question their knowledge or statements. They usually are the gunshop commandos.

[@drmaudio]

This form is freely available on the ATF website. Just search 4473 and it comes right up.

[@NHBackcountryGuide]

Here in NB we don't refer to counties often. A lot of people filling out that form write USA or United States because they read it too fast. Me included... that was the first form I filled out when I bought my first gun at 18.

[@Jeremy_Meeks]

Lol "we sold a gun to a blind man" 🤣🤣🤣😭😎

[@Particlman]

The ATF has this form on their website, so I think it is fine if anyone sees it. You can't fill it out then take it in though. You have it fill it out at the store. The only advice I can give as a gun owner to any first time buyers is take it slow, and don't rush. Any decent gun store will be patient with you.

[@abstractapproach634]

"Not allow people to see this form" How do I fill it out without seeing it" Jokes, probably could do it by memory at thus point

[@benarcher45]

I find it funny that I am watching this today because I just had to fill one out earlier in the day. I had decided to purchase a complete AR-15 lower and I did everything correctly except that I had used my own blue gel pen so that the ink was nice and bold. The use of the gel pen was not the problem, the problem was that the ink was BLUE. I had to fill out another one with the crappy disposable BIC pen provided by the clerk.

[@douglaspeart512]

Hi, You should see the paper work we have to fill out down here in Victoria Australia.We have to do a safty training night and you have to do two test. The frist test has about 30 questions on it and you can get 3 wrong. The second test has ten questions on it and you have to all ten right. Then you have fill out a form for a police check to get a license and that will take no sooner then 30 days to get it back. License last for 5 years then you have to fill out a renewal form. Then to buy your first gun it takes another 30 days. So when your first getting into shooting it can take up to 2 months to get your rifle. And thats only for a single action rifle. Simi, pump action and handguns are a different license again.

[@mikenunn8696]

Literally a week ago I went to pick up Mt first firearm at bass pro shops. I've fired shotguns before hunting that's basically it. Never knowing a 4473 existed prolly should have looked it up. Beforehand. I filled out the 1st question wrong. The last sentence confused me and I was told he"she isn't allowed to read it for me to help me understand. After finishing the paper I sat for a few mins and was told to follow the employee out of the store. The only thing I was told is done get any questions wrong or we gotta escort u out. I now understand how serious it is . Now that I downloaded the forum to better understand it. Honestly wasn't a great experience. I waiting standing for an hour . Before I was helped. This was a firearm I ordered 2 weeks before hand.