Iron Warriors vs Ultramarines Horus Herersy Battle Report Ep 57

[@Syaska]

I don't think I'd be okay with a mortar being under a balcony. It's ordinance and doesn't need LoS, but putting it underneath something and behind something to prevent blasts landing on it whilst still claiming you can fire your blast weapon seems powergaming to me.

[@JoshuaNyeste]

13:39 "Been a while since I used the D." -Steve

[@redfatherfigure]

I shouldn't have turned this on. The urge to play Horus Heresy is soooo strong right now...

[@redfatherfigure]

The scorpius should be side armor 12 (approx 27 min in)

[@snailsnussy1070]

Christopher Morgan dooo it! it's a great game system

[@SilentPony]

Guys, Sniper isn't the same as Rending. Its just 4+ to wound, flat, and 6s are AP2. Also that's not at all how the Destroyer chart works.

[@Pyriel2]

Steve rocks. I love watching his batreps. Always fun awesomeness. Keep it up Steve!

[@dexianvesh5746]

Steve, remember that because your Phosphex is S5 and Poisoned (3+), you get to re-roll to wound rolls against anything that's T5 or lower

[@dexianvesh5746]

Also, Sniper isn't actually Rending. It's AP2 only happens on to wound rolls, not armour penetration rolls. Even then, a frag missile isn't strong enough to damage a Scorpius

[@agripinaa8684]

Adam Bolton how do they get to re-roll to-wound rolls?

[@snailsnussy1070]

Jeffery Hodgkiss if your talking about Ultramarines, it's interlocking tactics

[@agripinaa8684]

Thomas Collier no, on the Phosphex shells

[@snailsnussy1070]

Jeffery Hodgkiss I think if the strength of the weapon is higher than the toughness then you can reroll to wound for poison... I think...

[@valdur1234567890]

Primarchs have fleet to reroll failed charges, Rotary Missile Launchers have cluster warhead that lets you roll 3d6 for a pen and pick the hightest. Leviathans do 2 HoW hits when charging and have I5. Flare shields reduce by 2 the strength of the blasts (Perturabo's Orbital Strike). Fulmentarus' special rules are dependent on squad size due to the Peritarch Targeter rule. Superheavy and Gargantuan creatures must declare all of their shooting targets before firing. There are so many rules mistakes on part of the Ultramarine player it is cringing to watch as a player of the XIIIth legion.

[@snailsnussy1070]

Valdur Sotomonte fleet doesn't apply to the unit, cringe master.

[@snailsnussy1070]

Valdur Sotomonte On top of that I don't play as much as I use to so I do get rules wrong.

[@thewoundedwarg3254]

Thomas Collier true, but Guilliman has his own specific rule I believe

[@valdur1234567890]

It's called Sire of the Ultramarines rule. The unit joined by Guilliman rerolls failed charge distances and is immune to concussive. Playing little is no excuse to not knowing the rules, salty much?

[@snailsnussy1070]

Valdur Sotomonte You are correct about his rule. Although I don't think I'm being salty here. I just don't have that luxury of playing or studying as much as you.

[@WildMeek]

Question, can you run units over with vehicles? It seems no because otherwise it would have happened much more I feelz.

[@ericw996]

tom looks like draco malfoy went backpacking through europe after college to find himself

[@snailsnussy1070]

yerbiggestfan poop thanks man, I needed that.

[@TPOCCY]

30:43 the Cover save is being taken at 5+ for intervening models but it appears as though the Xiphon cannot see the side of the Medusa, p.77 BRB says that the vehicle receives a cover save one point better than that given by the cover obscuring the vehicles other facing. Could be just the angle of the camera

[@dornjr]

Nice Armies! Are those Cyclone missle launchers Forgeworld, Dark Angel or Aftermarket?

[@hutchy1k94]

I'm about 90% sure those on the Iron Warriors are forgeworld, specifically the carapace mounted variant for Contemptor dreads. The Ultramarines have the launcher out of the terminator box.

[@dornjr]

hutchy1k94 Thanks! Ya the Ultramarine ones. The wings were throwing me off.

[@hutchy1k94]

Specifically, the ones with the wings are from the Dark Angels terminators. ;)

[@TuTuChief]

Whats that little model doing there, being all camo'ish in the left corner? @5:55

[@TPOCCY]

16:06 Tom Disembarks Guilliman's squad from the wrecked Spartan what appears to be within 6" of the front hatch however on page 82 of the BRB under the "Wrecked(other than zooming flyers) heading it states that passengers must disembark the in usual manner save that they must end their move "wholly within 3" of the vehicle, rather than 6"

[@seanbeahn6895]

1:07:02 Iron Warriors terminatiors being killed by phosphex. Hmmm where have we seen this before?media.moddb.com/cache/images/groups/1/3/2055/thumb_620x2000/PhosphexIW.jpg

[@inphowatcher9748]

Steve I don't think you can consolidate from walker combats as of the FAQ.

[@AuramiteEX]

Guilliman and his unit can re roll charges. should have charged the Tank anyways

[@snailsnussy1070]

Dan Serafimov fleet doesn't apply to the whole unit. and yea I should have but I charged for glory instead.

[@thewoundedwarg3254]

Thomas Collier not fleet, it's specific to Guilliman

[@AuramiteEX]

Guilliman AND his unit can re-roll charge, he has a specific rule. Nothing to do with Fleet.

[@Kardel_VA]

did this get re uploaded?

[@ericcp8757]

yeah it was only in 360p

[@lineageloki]

isnt the cyclonic melta lance a 40k only wep and the grav flux 30k only ?

[@lukastroller3730]

gotta feel bad for Guillimann and his boys; got shot to all hell and then failed an easy charge :( was looking forward to seeing them do some work. But those Ultramarine vets though! total ass-kickers!

[@andrewdowner822]

I think Steve wants a certain type of tank

[@rhaivaen]

I love the big trees scenery, they look very cool. (not the pine trees)

[@Gnalistair]

Steve, you completely forgot about your immobilised Medusa, could have done some work

[@Bigjonmetal]

Vets don't rend, they're just Ap2 and the side armour on a scorpius is 12

[@hivefleetmurder8770]

How does almost everything the iron hands have hit on 2's?

[@StanleyKuo184]

Chris Dyer It does seem like Ultramarines suck compare to them. They need at least 4 or higher.

[@LordMacragge31]

Iron havocs are BS5. tyrant terminators usually have a master of signals. Saying that, Ultras fulmentarus terminators are BS5.

[@JasonWolfeYT]

You would think the invictarus squads would learn how to carry Storm Shields at some point. Only 6++ for that giant wooden shield.

[@LordMacragge31]

5++ in combat. Artificer armour helps loads.

[@jeffmontalvo3352]

I don't like to rely on memory for rules, there is too many to remember. Honestly what game is totally accurate.

[@elliotdowd9598]

31:35xiphon missile launcher rolls 3 times and picks the highest on the damage chart table.

[@Krubbe]

Did Steve fire a broken gun at 22:22?

[@petercuthbert9696]

not sure how I missed watching this when it came out, but why oh why would you not put Artificer armour on your apothecary or sgts? for 10 pts it makes the difference in a game where most heavy weapons are at least AP3. Good game though!

[@andreasa8044]

If you guys (MWG) start covering Malifaux I'll reopen my subscription! Not related to this video, but nevertheless, go Malifaux!

[@isaacfiremind9435]

If I recall correctly, Matt has said that they'll pretty much never cover malifaux.

[@andreasa8044]

Do you remember from where? Or why?

[@isaacfiremind9435]

I don't remember too well honestly, it was quite a while ago. It had something to with the miniature designs and how they had themes Matt didn't "approve" of. Maybe you could leave him a question for his next sit and talk. You can get a much more detailed/in depth answer there.

[@shienryuu4146]

Mormon logic.

[@Mikhail2331]

Getting out of a wrecked vehicle you can only go 2 inches from any of the exit points

[@DGkiller1994]

28:00 sniper doesn't give rending just makes them AP2 on 6's

[@TimmyDsYoutubChannel]

I thought the FAQ says other people can't put attacks into the challenge.

[@BeardedWargaming]

if there arent any more enemy models i think the attacks spill into it

[@TehChocco]

The apothacary had a 6+ save

[@d.p.8208]

more hh report please

[@nickyork766]

Gurlymon bit a big one, I'm happy. Iron within Iron without, bitches!

[@thomasfrance382]

At 34:33 Gullman has fleet

[@fergusshaw7133]

primarchs have fleet

[@adampoultney8737]

Why is it always War of Lies? I mean, it's a cool game, but can't we get a bit of variety?

[@_guitarjun_]

I want to get into to this game so much but the prices...

[@calvinandhobbes730]

are on par with most other hobbies? 2-300 dollar start up (in Horus heresy's case, 150 for either of the 2 board game box sets) and 40-60 a month there after?

[@_guitarjun_]

Slim Skaven Gaming I know right so expensive

[@marcusgeorge4169]

I swear the ultramarine guy has the worst luck 😕

[@simonmartel5454]

I thought phosphex shells were AP2

[@agripinaa8684]

Simon Martel quad mortar phospex shells are AP3

[@claytonretallack4043]

I don't think you are doing the destroyer rules correctly.

[@TheDjbz]

No they are 2-5 does D3 wounds/ Hp and a penetrating hit (But still allows cover and invulnerable saves.) and a 6 is 6+D6 Hp/wounds (and a pen) with no saves of any kind Only the 6 on a D-weapon is powerful, the 2-5 is a joke by comparison

[@lucianaurelius2418]

Guilliman and any unit he joins can re role failed charges 🤦‍♂️

[@jesselopez5708]

tie-fin

[@fergusshaw7133]

sniper is not rending it is only ap 2 on 6's to wound

[@fergusshaw7133]

Rending is roles of a six to wound are ap 2 and add d3 to strength when firing against targets with a Armour value

[@fergusshaw7133]

Sniper is always wounds on 4+ on a 6 to WOUND it's ap 2 and counts as strength 4 against target with a Armour value

[@valdur1234567890]

It is not even AP2. Sniper rolls of 6's ignore armor saves, and as the FAQ provided by Forgeworld you always wound on 4+ UNLESS you have a better chance of wounding (Sniper Meltagunners). Then you use the better wounding profile.

[@MsCreepyChan]

Can't take Cover Saves against Strength D attacks

[@lukastroller3730]

MsCreepyChan not 100% sure, but I think the rules are different in 30K

[@agripinaa8684]

MsCreepyChan if they don't roll a 6 for the damage chart then pretty sure you can

[@MsCreepyChan]

Rules are that Strength D attacks all ignore cover and you can't take FNP against them.

[@moochkin]

Pretty sure thats the old rules. Now its only on 6's that ignore everything. if its 2-5 you still get inv saves

[@valdur1234567890]

They are using the current Strength D rules, no longer the outdated Horus Heresy ones.

[@ZombieX13]

Great game but all the scattering was pissing me off. This is why I watch and don't play. My rage factor is too high for dice games.

[@lordlewlew]

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[@TheReverendDown]

Lol anyone think the fat guy sounds like John Goodman ?

[@NoxUrsus]

Mountain, stop making vault stuff please. You guys would make more revenue if you put everything on youtube. After 5 years of watching you i'm still not paying unless Matt dances more!

[@etoilehaesen354]

Nox Ursus ... they make a fortune on this. This is what pays their company, the rent, staff wages. Why would they give that up....

[@snailsnussy1070]

Nox Ursus they've said that the KZbin revenue wouldnt even cover the cost of the building. Besides they make alot more from the vault.