Proboat Veles 29 Rudder Testing - Rc Boat Steering Problems

[@dallasorgan358]

Big B, you rock.. proud sonicwake and Veles owner.. love your videos, I've learned so much from you. Keep them coming.

[@SteveLane61]

Yet another REALLY useful and informative video Big B. Often overlooked, rudder choice is so important as you have shown. So yet another variable in the universe of unlimited variables that come into play with the RC boat hobby... Hull shape, size, profile. Motor diameter, length, kV rating, pole count. Inboard, outboard motor. Electric, gas, nitro. Conventional drive, integrated or jet drive. Drive shaft type, diameter, length and type. ESC current handling and power management. Battery type, weight, dimensions, voltage, Mah and C rating. Hardware and electronics placement for correct COG. All the variables with water cooling set up. Transmitter and receiver type. Strut/stinger position, length and angle. Trim tab size, position and angle. Turn fin shape, size, position and angle. Prop type (number of blades and material) diameter, pitch, rake and blade profile. And of course rudder shape, size and angle. Geesh! I could go on but I'll quit 'jackin mah jaws'! No wonder this hobby is so unique and interesting. With all these variables is it any wonder that we keep on tinkering, testing and tuning? Thanks for sharing the knowledge brother. Awesome stuff 👏 👌

[@IRONCLADRC]

Thanks steve Yep I believe you just about covered everything. You forgot the part about having fun while your finding your rc boat bliss

[@garywilkinson6832]

Hi B. Just found this whole set of vids on the Veles. Super set. Great info for my tuning of my first boat. Just a comment/theory on rudder “oversteer”. When you turn the control maybe 20% in a turn and the boat slows a bit whether you lay off the trigger or not, then, as the turn progresses I find that once it gets to a certain speed and “angle of attack” the front inside edge of the sponson catches in the water and the boat almost pivots on that sponson. At higher speeds it seems to me that the inside edge of that sponson doesn’t catch because 1, the boat is higher out of the water (drier) and 2, because you’re moving faster and the water is “harder”, less likely to catch. (that’s the waterskier in me coming out). What say you all-knowing, all-seeing boat-god!?😆👍🏽

[@paulouellette9460]

Again.. great info, and testing my friend!! It is a huge part of the hobby to try things, and see what happens!! Great info for everyone!! I always tell people that are interested in RC.. a “small” adjustment is actually really big as the model is scaled down from the full size! Just keep the scale in prospective, and make “small” changes, and have fun because that’s what makes this hobby some awesome!! FUN SON!!! 👍🏼👍🏼

[@Dr_Jet]

I've watched your knowledge and understanding of RC boating grow over the past year or so, and I really enjoy the enthusiasm you have in sharing what you have learned with your viewers. Videos like this and the prop testing ones really help people out; whether it's because it's impossible to buy all the necessary parts, or being close enough to a decent pond that semi-daily testing is possible, your videos solve a lot of their problems. Sometimes, they make me spit my coffee out......

[@IRONCLADRC]

I really didn't find a solution for the tip but I'm having fun trying. Working on it I've got a few more tricks up my sleeve that may help?

[@Dr_Jet]

@@IRONCLADRC That's exactly what makes it informative. Knowing what works is only half the solution to many problems. Also knowing what doesn't work and more importantly WHY it doesn't work is often more important in the final analysis. Boat Gang!

[@petergoodwin2465]

This is great work mate, I have a standard Veles and I'll give it a go.

[@roadstar499]

i have an old 25'' exceed mono race boat that spun out like a top ..since it has no turn fins.was fast after some mods and a lot of fun to run... i am taking it out of retirement after 12 years..am ordering some fins...

[@mikesyr]

Just won this boat in a raffle....so yah I already know my first upgrades. THANK YOU!!

[@IRONCLADRC]

Get the dual pick up ul19 upgrade rudder from off Shore Electronics perfect upgrade rudder for the veles. It's about 20-30% shorter than the stock rudder

[@mikesyr]

@@IRONCLADRC Nice! Will do.

[@rcsky775]

I've been looking for a detailed comparison This is a good channel to help rc boat users from beginners to advanced.

[@IRONCLADRC]

Thanks brother. Glad I can help I enjoy testing like this. It's alot of work but very satisfying

[@markkibbey4026]

Thanks for sharing this boat definitely likes to role over...uuggg..mine does the same dam thing.uugg..lol..so we took the stock rudder plugged the holes with jb weld..we run different water pick ups behind the prop.. anyways we took the stock rudder filed it down flatter..thined it out...we then cut the bottom of the rudder off just under the bottom water pick up that was there.we then filed the angle going up from the bottom like it was stock..ok...and rounded the two bottom ends to finish it so far so good...just putting it out there...lol...as always iron clad style man... 😊.. ❤️..

[@IRONCLADRC]

I did the same thing to my beles rudder night and day

[@norcalrc]

Love these test and tune videos. Great timing too, I just recently modified my stock Veles rudder. I believe that I heard advice here on your channel about modifying rudder to optimize handling. I removed approx 1/2" of the length from the bottom. Then I reshaped the bottom of the rudder tapering the bottom edges and thinned out the thickness of whole rudder. Also I sharpened the leading edge and chamfered the trailing edge. So far so good. My low speed turning has improved greatly with response being way more predictable. As always thanks for the info bro. Rc boatgang

[@IRONCLADRC]

So it did work that's great to hear. Your opinion is it worth doing and showing the viewers? I've been wanting to modify the stock rudder but haven't grew the balls to do so yet. 😕

[@norcalrc]

@@IRONCLADRC definitely worth the effort bro. I wil post a. Quick vid so you can see what it turned out like . Everything you had mentioned previously worked like a charm . After modifications, I had to use the veles to recover the SonicWake while waterlogged. If not for the mods to the rudder I think that I might have lost both of them.

[@IRONCLADRC]

Yea man that would be awesome. I'd definitely like to see the modification I saw the sonicwake rescue & your right the veles did look very planted In the water

[@georgem.6136]

Right on right on, I’ve got a couple Rudders I’m gonna test this weekend as well and I hope for some positive results. I’m also gonna play around with another idea I have , will let ya know if I find the magic fix all! Awesome video Big B

[@IRONCLADRC]

It's actually fun changing rudders to see what works or don't work. I made 3 or 4 custom blades for my mini sniper a while back and tested them, I've learned alot from these type test... Personaly i enjoy doing stuff like this even if it doesn't work like I anticipated,. Good luck

[@thomasbradfield5534]

The link for the veles did not work for me lol maybe it is a sign ☢️🛑 , love the video , I hit 73 mph with my miss gieco last weekend just wanted to let you know all these videos got me there thanks B !!!!

[@IRONCLADRC]

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[@IRONCLADRC]

Glad I could help. I enjoy the veles she's a fun boat so far. My pb with the veles is 63 as well May be it was 65 jeez I can't remember. Thanks for the heads up on the link

[@tristanrobin4813]

Impressionnant superbe 👏👏 j'ai le même bateau

[@stevestonacek7128]

Just put this boat on the water for the first-time last weekend and it made it about 50 feet and the flex cable slipped in the collet and I know it was tight before launching, brought it in and tightened it again and the same thing so I inspected the collet, and the collet nut was stripped out. The collet looks just fine but the taper in the nut is gone so it won't tighten down on the flex-cable the metal is so soft that the stainless-steel collet shaved the taper out of the nut and didn't hurt the collet at all. I'm disappointed with pro boat on the first run on my new Veles 29. got a new collet coming from Offshore marine should be here tomorrow we will give it another go this weekend

[@IRONCLADRC]

You have extra to go over the whole boat inside & out. check everything before your first run.

[@stevestonacek7128]

@@IRONCLADRC After further inspection I found that the collet nut was made from soft mild Chinese Steel the collet was ok and made of stainless steel the nut on the other hand either didn't get hardened or was made from the wrong material. The OSE coupler is working fine. I did go over the whole boat before taking to the lake. I think that even experienced guys would not catch this defect right out of the gate.

[@mad_lizard]

Good video brother. Very informative. I don’t own one but a buddy does and I’m very aware of how the boat rolls in the corner. Now I do wonder if it’s how the sponson is shaped and causing the outside edge of the sponson to catch the water and tip it over. Maybe adding Dihedral to the sponson may help. I own a different catamaran and the sponson has a lot of dehydral in the sponson ride pad and when she turns the boat will actually lean some. A thought that crossed my mind for a experiment on the veles.

[@IRONCLADRC]

When you say dihedral are you talking about adding angle, dead rise angle to the sponsons? Or more non-trip to the outsides of the sponson? Not sure ? Sorry I'm not exactly sure what dihedral is, lol.

[@mad_lizard]

@@IRONCLADRC yes angle/ dead rise on the ride pad. Example this cat I have. 1 3/16 wide ride pad and the outer edge rises up 1/8. +/- 5 degrees. Just a thought on my end as to blue printing the hull. Dead rise is common to sponson designs specially in hydroplanes. Always experimenting.

[@IRONCLADRC]

@@mad_lizard Roger that, I figured that's what you were talking about. I agree I think that would help tremendously. I alot of work the pull off but it's definitely possible, I've gotta do some finish work to my sponsons and I will definitely keep that in mind.. thanks brother.

[@mad_lizard]

@@IRONCLADRC your welcome anytime brother. We’re always tinkering testing and running

[@roadstar499]

Correct me if i am wrong when i set up CG on my boat i divide boat in 3 sections... Like if i have a 30 inch boat my cg is approx 20''' from bow going back... I also try to keep center of gravity as low as possible and when my boat sits in water i do my best so it does not lean to one side... but when i think about it if you are racing like you do its good to have more weight on left side of boat anyway....

[@IRONCLADRC]

You're on the right track..

[@choicecafe-mu2ot]

Hello brother hope all is well I have question for you! I have sonic wake v2 and the boat turns one direction great nearly on a dime ( I believe it’s turn left really good) but it hardly turns the other direction at all! I realize you need to have some momentum or speed when turning however when saying that the boat turns the one direction really well with or without speed but won’t turn the other direction with or without speed, do you have any suggestions

[@jimmyrodriguez7235]

Always a great video. Thank you for the great info. Question which one would you prefer the Veles or the ul-19?

[@IRONCLADRC]

What's your skill level regarding rc boats? The ul-19 is an awesome boat one of my favorites but it definitely needs some work to be a solid oval boat. (Cooling, turn fin & upgraded esc) The veles is a little more beginner friendly and really only need a second cooling line & servo to make it a solid boat.

[@markkibbey4026]

So I'm thinking and wondering if trim tabs would help this boat...I definitely don't like the blow overs and running pack all up front..thinking trim tabs move packs back to center full trigger...what do you think...

[@IRONCLADRC]

Personally I would never put trim tabs on the veles.

[@markkibbey4026]

@@IRONCLADRC were going to make some temporary home make bent tabs and just use some double face tape foam to just hold them there and see what happens..yes I can respect you wouldn't.. ❤️..will try it anyway no holes drilled...lol..if they stay on..lol..

[@IRONCLADRC]

Try setting them about 5-6mm above the ride surface I've had good luck with that setup on my 42 kinda Acts as a ride pad not a trim tab

[@SnapperHeadUnlimited]

Big B, I know you usually leave the epoxy bare after blueprinting your hulls, would it help to use something like 2k clear coat and sand with 400/600 grit for best results and or even use some of the graphite spray?

[@IRONCLADRC]

Epoxy/graphit works the best I've been testing different finishes on different boats to see what works best for me. I've used clear coats, epoxy/graphite, epoxy with pigments, epox paints, primers for my final finishing in the past, as long as it's hard & sandable I don't see why not. I used clear acrylic as a top coat for the blueprint on my blackjack 42 after I airbrushed a design, it sands good dries fast but doesn't build/fill very good. If you use a clear the boat basically needs to be finished to its final shape because clears tend to lay down flat.

[@SnapperHeadUnlimited]

@@IRONCLADRC in this instance I’ll be blue printing the bottom of a Geico Hull and a Veles 29” hull. Do you think sanding them to where they are true and then put the graphite spray right on? Do you think I should sand them true and then add my paint, clear coat with 2k clear and then graphite spray the sponsons?

[@PSYCHOPUNKED]

Do you have a video of ironclading this boats collet? I have had nothing but issues with mine slipping since I got it. Completely trashed this shaft because of it

[@IRONCLADRC]

No sir I don't sorry brother. I will try to do a video. Try!

[@PSYCHOPUNKED]

I'll watch more of your vids and see if I can find anything useful of my issue. I love the video you did previously of ironclading the battery trays and hull. I made a maiden voyage video of my veles 29 but since the first greasing I havnt been able to produce any fun lol I'll get quality parts and try again soon 😉 thanks for the reply

[@gregbrokenshire2134]

dude have you tryed the ul19 rudder thats what i use as this boat is made to go fast in straight line and turns

[@IRONCLADRC]

I was gonna bring the ul19 rudder for the testing but didn't have the time to remove it. That's for the tip.

[@nickwright2030]

Big B how's it going I have this boat and I know wat u mean by tips on a turn I'm going to try a longer rudder it looked like it help and how do u blueprint been thinking about that on my veles thanks

[@IRONCLADRC]

A shorter rudder may be the ticket you ca. Actuallyshorten the stock rudderand get a better ride ( i may do that here shortly) , if you have extra rudders laying around I'd try a couple different rudders to see what you like. It's kinda fun Testing and watching for the differences between each... as for the blue print It's alot of work, alot of work! if done incorrectly it would ruin the ride of the boat. Blueprinting a boat is basically taking out any imperfections, dips, hooks, that may be in the ride surfce.. most boats Don't need to be Blueprinted there is that rare occasion that Blueprinting a hull will improve the ride. Hope this helps

[@nickwright2030]

@@IRONCLADRC big B I'm just checking my msgs and thanks for the advice but how short should I make the normal rudder on the VELES 29 take like an inch or so off or ???? And my bad for the late respond back busy up here in Wisconsin now summer time almost here thanks for the help and blueprinting sounds a little hard for me to do at this time I'm still just learning all bout rc boats thanks again

[@modelaircraft6576]

Where can I buy the Aqua craft short rudder I got the boat

[@IRONCLADRC]

It's actually kinda hard to find now day it's a Discontinued product

[@williamwise3050]

Where can get the battereries you get and charger

[@IRONCLADRC]

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[@Triplethreatindustries]

Have you upgraded your servo to a high torque high-speed

[@IRONCLADRC]

Yes sir that was the first upgrade

[@nossrc5638]

bro i use completely different hardware custom made with bigger holes and 115mm rudder 5mm longer and its very effective in tight corners at speed

[@IRONCLADRC]

I may modify the Aquacraft rudder & see what it does with the leading edge taken down a couple millimeters?

[@nossrc5638]

@@IRONCLADRC I already tried it and at least it didn't work for me, it's too short for the power that my boat has but good luck you stock

[@garrettcampbell5995]

That’s ironclad boys.

[@MrJob91]

nice tx

[@roadstar499]

very cool...

[@kevinlcromedy8174]

Need help my Boat I have a Atomic o2

[@IRONCLADRC]

I'll try to help, What's the issue

[@kevinlcromedy8174]

Need to go faster Take a three s but it can go to 4

[@kevinlcromedy8174]

Don't know the prop size

[@kevinlcromedy8174]

I just got into boat

[@davidmessier3163]

your boat needs two rear fins to prevent it from stalling and rotating 180 degrees due to too much propeller thrust against a rudder that is too small to make speed like on a boat in V-shape or mono-hull

[@IRONCLADRC]

I've got her tuned in since this video

[@coolsly64]

Love the vid man! Just a quick question where do u get the rudder u ended up using? Just curious cuz I am looking for mine

[@IRONCLADRC]

Offshoreelectrics.com has an upgrade rudder for the veles that should work just fine, it has dual water intake, Just search veles at ose