IRONHEART Feels Like a Dollar Store Iron Man

[@UnderRuler777]

My response to the "they did it that way in the comics," argument. "Everyone hated it then too."

[@sheehase]

Came here to say the same thing!

[@wumpusrat]

The comic where they did her backstory was so insanely bad. Demanding her (white) teacher be racist and sexist to her, and when she wouldn't, staring daggers at her for literally like 6 panels (the same panel just repeated over and over) until the teacher finally told her "Fine, you can't be Tony Stark".

[@lehahiah81]

Snowflake and Safe Space were in DC( actually marvel) comics; should we carry them over to the big screen?

[@Mr.Selyumor]

Yeah, they’re in a rough spot when it comes to taking influence from the comics because those comics are rough.

[@triggerfairy4070]

​@@wumpusratThat wasnt even racist or sexist. Just facts

[@madambutterfly1997]

Her entire character arc is my dad died so now I steal shit from my college to build my own iron man suit.

[@razorsfury6519]

She was a better villain than hero.

[@pedanticperson1149]

Don't forget that her teacher also told her she couldn't be Tony Stark, that's the real horror she had to face.

[@razorsfury6519]

@@pedanticperson1149 lol yeah and that was after riri acted crazy specifically asking for a barrier to break. was really stupid.

[@chriscollins2095]

Originally, Riri told her teacher to tell her something she couldn't do, because that would motivate Riri to do it. The teacher said, "You can't be Tony Stark." So she really became Ironheart out of spite. Eve Ewing changed her backstory when she took over.

[@JamesF-v4x]

@@chriscollins2095well, RiRi is a joke and Eve was a DEI hire who basically was hand held for her first years because of it

[@Pirokh]

Riri's introduction was her lecturing a teacher for being supportive of her dreams, and stealing another person's technology as her own.

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

And she is a lesbian in the comic because black woman being straight is so rare now. I feel bad for black women right now the only time they get represent is either being a unlikable lesbian and angry black women. I don't even remember the last time we get good black woman super heroes character

[@JamesF-v4x]

@@SWANSWAN-nc7dshow do you think black MEN feel? They’re either gay weaklings who only serve to celebrate the women or as big non threatening links who once again only serve to celebrate the white leads

[@BNuts]

Which is how she will be remembered, when anyone ever thinks of her. Even her name sounds like an angry scream.

[@edstringer1138]

Netflix the Night nurse and she is mixed ​@@SWANSWAN-nc7ds

[@michelecastellotti9172]

​@@SWANSWAN-nc7dsand lesbians MUST be shoved everywhere, not be interesting, and being absolutely impeccable at everything from the start. These idiots should learn a lot from Luz noceda and amity blight

[@bigyoshi5170]

*TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!*

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

Well I'm sorry; that ain't Tony Stark.

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

​@@The_Phoenix_SagaI was hoping that Tony and pepper's daughter would be ironheart.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@thelordofthelostbraincells That would've made more sense, actually.

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

@tyrannozilla I can 💯% see her taking up the mantle of Ironman (iron whatever) to make her old man proud. It's crazy how common men can have better ideas that make sense then the multi-billion dollar mega corporation.

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

@@tyrannozilla Yeah so long as she wasn't another a typical "I need no man" spoilt brat with a vendetta against her father on the simple grounds of his existence. In other words - so long as she's likable.

[@somethingsomethingsomethingdar]

Imagine if instead of this girl, they did a whole phase without an iron man like character. Then towards the end of the arc iron man saves the day. Everyone is excited, and the suit opens and it’s his daughter with Tony stark as the AI for his daughter.

[@serafine666]

Every possible yes.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Well, that's actually creative.

[@BNuts]

Iron Man was even a B-list hero before the MCU. Plenty of others they could use while they give RDJ a rest. And they can build up Morgan in the stingers. But, like you say, it's creative, so they won't do it.

[@pittland44]

I like that idea a lot. They've clearly been trying to build up towards some variant of "Young Avengers" and your idea could actually work and help lay the groundwork for it. That having been said, I think the MCU might be done, and I say that as someone who didn't miss seeing a movie in theaters from Phase I through Phase III. From Avengers on I didn't miss a movie in the first week and saw many of them multiple times. Now I don't even bother. I saw No Way Home, I saw Multiverse of Madness (regrettably), and I saw Guardians 3. After that I just haven't cared.

[@ToweringPepsiMan]

Phase 4 should have been a lot longer, less films a year. And focus more on smaller scale stories and give audiences breathing room until they introduce the new characters in phase 5, after much in universe time has passed (So his daughter is older and able to use the suit)

[@madambutterfly1997]

Of course it's a dollar store Iron Man. She has no characterization and no likeability

[@tyrannozilla]

Even a dollar store toy has more depth and personality.

[@dmnb102]

That's is just bad like NGL but if they made a movie we're Tony's daughter becauses iron girl or iron woman future I would love it like the daughter learning how to be a hero and learning how her dad falt

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT AITEORI SKIP DISNEY'S PLUS SHOW LIKE IRON HEART ♥ SERIES.

[@animezilla4486]

What do you mean no likeability

[@JamesF-v4x]

@@animezilla4486she’s an unlikeable character. Not that a troll like you cares

[@Nartanek]

Your main character dies, but you want the concept to stay alive, you have 2 options. Option 1: You make a character that looks up to that main character, starts small, fails, try again, progresses and maybe eventually they could be considered equal. Option 2: You make a mary sue that is better at everything because reasons. I know which one i would prefer.

[@giampaolomannucci8281]

Just put a chick in it and make it gay

[@Nartanek]

@@giampaolomannucci8281 And lame

[@pittland44]

@@giampaolomannucci8281 The guys at Southpark never fail to amaze me. That bit never gets old.

[@michelecastellotti9172]

​@@pittland44and even tho that special jabbed everyone, its incredible how it jabs this sort of bullshit so hard in particular

[@BigCowProductions]

​@@michelecastellotti9172because they know what is the most heinous

[@domfour8109]

The difference between she-hulk and Ironheart in the comics is that people actually liked she-hulk at one point while no one ever liked ironheart. I didn't read the comics but as far as I understand she-hulk was always her own character. She didn't have the same issues as regular hulk, she didn't freak out and smash things, she just became hot, strong and confident. She likes being she-hulk, she doesn't even have to quit her regular job. As well as that she was basically deadpool before deadpool, poking fun at the fourth wall from time to time. Ironheart on the otherhand came out when the comics started going to dog shit. Her backstory is literally she got mad because her teacher told her she could be anything she wanted, but riri wanted her to tell her she couldn't be something so she could proove her teacher wrong. Eventually the poor woman says "well you cant be iron man I guess" and thats literally it.

[@vonVile]

In the beginning She-Hulk was like Hulk, but she didn't have child abuse mental issues like Bruce. She accepted the change and preferred being in her hulk form. It wasn't until she went on a mission for SHIELD checking out a crashed heli-carrier that she was able to permanently stay in hulk form from more gamma radiation. She then became a member of the Fantastic Four replacing Thing. She-Hulk then got her second series where the stories were comedic with her breaking the fourth wall and exiting panels.

[@MoonPhantom]

@@vonVile Well, she was also a lawyer not a scientist, so already then she had an identity different from Bruce. At this time. Bruce's whole character was being "The Lonely man." who wandered from place to place, endlessly and hopelessly searching for a cure. Meanwhile Jennifer was bound to just one place, the new York Court house, and her original stories were centered around her job. So while they both suffered from a HULK they couldn't control, their story potential was very different. And then both evolved as characters, and yeah... Jennifer became this super confident hot sexy woman who fully embraced her HULK wild side and merged with it, becoming a very fun loving, happy go lucky, energetic superheroine, years before "Professor Hulk." came into the picture. Meanwhile Bruce continued his search for a cure for another decade, and we went over planet HULK and so on, that really focused on HULK as his own character and Bruce was the one taking a complete backseat barely even appearing before the two finally get to merge years later... and then unmerge... and... comics are complicated.

[@akira8393]

My highlight from she hulk is that she was like an example maybe bruce himself can work something out with hulk maybe grown to like it. Bruce was always paranoid hulk breaking out and she hulk was there to tell him hey, maybe it's not as bad as you think. Trying to be understanding.

[@sparking023]

@@MoonPhantom oh yeah, that's a very peculiar detail about She-Hulk that made her stand out. While Bruce hated to transform into the Hulk because it was basically an uncontrolable monster, Jenn (once she got more control of it) felt much more confident in her She-Hulk form. You could spin that as a positive message about feeling good in your skin, having a better self image, but nooooo. Feminist humor it is lol

[@MoonPhantom]

@@sparking023 Yeah, what makes Jen work in her best comic books is that she's, you know... A genuinely really nice person. She's super nice, is very kind to Bruce and those around them, she likes to poke fun of people but never in any mean way. She actually just have a great sense of humour and like to laugh. She's NICE! And likes making other people feel good. Including Bruce. But here in the new show, like all other female superheroines, she's NOT very nice. She's actually really mean, really angry, really spiteful and just unlikeable. How hard could this possible be? You actually just need to make these women nice so we like them as people. But they are all awful human being who are acting the opposite of nice. And heck when it comes to such characters as Wolverine where the joke is he's hard tough guy... It's the fact that he DOES have a nice side he's trying to hide but still comes out, already in his first movie he ends up being very protective of Rouge and we see his nice side he's trying to hide. THAT'S what makes us like him! That he's deep down nice and we get to see it. Not that he's always mean, like these women are.

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

I was hoping that Tony's daughter would be ironheart. It just makes sense that she would make him proud like that.

[@chrimsonphantom]

"I heart you 3000" That line would've made for a killer origin story. Her dad was Iron man, she loved him and after he died. She went through his research and came up with her own Iron man suit. She wanted to give him a tribute, but knew that there could only be one Iron man. So she decided to go with Iron heart, after the phrase she had with her father.

[@the7blargs]

​@@chrimsonphantomalready a million times better than any current marvel script

[@chrimsonphantom]

@@the7blargs sadly everyone was thinking she would be the Ironheart after End Game. All they had to do was capitalize on it.

[@Rekhan4242]

Yeah, but Iron Heart is still a porno film so maybe not!

[@lunarhexagon8108]

or Pepper (not sure if this spelling is right to be honest) really.. because if only some female had iron man suit already.. maybe in like.. movie like Endgame.. and used it, surprisingly proficiently.. she had probably also all access to more of such stuff, and even if not developing new ones, using what existed could be done.. but we wouldnt get garbage figure-like armor design then I guess

[@sniiiper3d645]

“She’s smarter than Tony” Thanos praised Tony’s smarts and bro solo’d him for 20 seconds without dying but sure the random black street girl is better BECAUSE🤦🏽‍♀️

[@DJET723]

Merit is important, they clearly forgot that

[@sniiiper3d645]

@ merit is the last thing on these people mind, first is their race/identity , second is their political activism stance, third is their discrimination against white people and the last being their sexism stance against men, These were the ingredients chosen. To create the perfect little zealots

[@BiriBiri925]

She would easily defeat Thanos by lecturing him about oppression and diversity.

[@alexthekiddo10]

Wasn't there a scene in the comics where Thanos stomped her?

[@TheNefastor]

​@BiriBiri925 maybe that would confuse him for 20 seconds ? 😂

[@Federalvampire127]

Well, its tough being named after a Japanese adult film.

[@mad4song01]

😂😂😂😂

[@EricTD1995]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Alteori]

wait wut lol

[@diamondplaysgames]

​@@Alteori Yeah, let's just say thats a thing.

[@EricTD1995]

@@Alteori It's... true, unfortunately.

[@lunarhexagon8108]

I liked most when in Iron Heart, Joker came to her and whispered to her "Its morbin time" and they flied together to kill Balrog in Hogwarts

[@Ouroboros619]

So stunning, much brave

[@JamesF-v4x]

YAAASSSSSSS KWEEEEENNNNNN

[@Wolffman109]

Hey, leave Hogwarts out of this. J.K. Rowling is one of the opponents to the woke mind-virus, and we need her.

[@JamesF-v4x]

@ She’s been woke for a while and is only pushing back on the Trans because it was beginning to impact on women directly. On every other issue she’s in step with leftist mind virus.

[@rezaruki3912]

If its Balrog it should be Iron heart teaming with Gandalf and Harry Potter lol

[@davidpothier6823]

Me: I'm so tired of marvel stuff Alteori: I have to rant about marvel Me: Dammit I'm here for the tea. "I try to get out but you keep dragging me back in"

[@Alteori]

😂😂

[@BigCowProductions]

The only joy i get of marvel as of late is schaudenfreude. And marvel rivals

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Honestly a dollar store brand Iron Man could be neat. Someone who idolized him but didn't have the money to make a suit as good as his, so builds a street-level suit of armour instead. Like, bullet resistant and enhanced strength, but can only operate for a few minutes because they don't have an arc reactor. Fights thugs or bank robbers alongside Luke Cafe or Daredevil. Over time they might gain flight or weapons, but staying more low-tech could be neat.

[@joimumu]

That would have been interesting the B plot of the season could be to upgrade the suit

[@BaldianOfIbelin]

You can never go wrong with a Superhero who has a low budget/power but still does what he can with what he has inspired by the more powerful superheroes than him.

[@aquariandawn4750]

That reminds me of the movie Shaq starred in called Steel. The movie was kind of cheap and not really well acted, but I personally didn't feel that it was what I would call a bad movie... In comparison to the crap they're pushing on us today it was pretty damn good.

[@vicentegeonix]

We already saw that in iron man 3, when Tony's suit gets broken he has to make cheap weapons to infiltrate into the "mandarin's" mansion.

[@BaldianOfIbelin]

@@vicentegeonix nah It's not the same, that's Iroman having to improvise whereas a dollar store Iroman would be someone who isn't Tony Stark trying to imitate Iroman but on a low budget.

[@midle1998]

Comic Riri's origin is no better. She quitely LITTERALLY asks her 3rd grade teacher to discriminate against her just so she can prove her wrong and strive for greatness... Because she couldn't have just been inspired by Iron Man on her own, she had to ask someone to GIVE her a dragon to slay to be great in life in any capacity and that dragon HAD to be her not being like Iron Man. (she then proceeded to steal a couple of peers' science projects to create her first armor. Really keeping the stereotype alive with this one. Atleast in the MCU she made a Vibranium detector on her own without having to steal from her classmates, so I'll give them that.)

[@chrimsonphantom]

Iron heart, but there was no heart put into it.

[@neonxraven99]

still proving the point she can't be iron man since she can't even make her own suit using scrap metal and only resort to stealing the fact she is black is too funny (way to go to keeping the stereotypes alive)

[@barrybend7189]

And the irony is she was created by a white comic book author.

[@sparking023]

>creates black character >character steals to get by *LMAO I KNEEL* I think you'll have a hard time finding actual white supremacists as racist as those people.

[@theandrogynousmisogynist]

Ofcourse she steals, look at her.

[@sigma5514]

How you described feeling about Riri getting introduced immediately after we lost Tony is kinda how it happened in the comics too. It was still terrible

[@PhoenixCent]

It’s been YEARS…. Give it up😭😭

[@sigma5514]

@PhoenixCent iT's BeEn YeArS.... gIvE iT uP On a serious note. Disney and marvel are still going to push this trash character after all these years. There's a reason all new all different tanked and is probably the most controversial period for them

[@pauldelaney5990]

They killed Tony, just to wheel on Riri?

[@ArmedandDangerous918]

MCU only wants to be comic accurate when it pushes their agenda

[@PhoenixCent]

@ more like they killed Jim cuz his arc was over

[@budfug8691]

we're unfortunately in the "because we can" era of entertainment

[@Thehumangamers2585]

sadly we have mentaly online people who never seen grass plus pac man and the ghostly adventures needs a continuous

[@DragonmasterKeel]

and not in a good way

[@Thehumangamers2585]

@@DragonmasterKeel its sad

[@akira8393]

I don't blame them. People have low standards for a show. Literally an adult video from cornhub does better nowadays

[@Imnotreal1800]

@@akira8393 most dumbest take I’ve saw

[@chrimsonphantom]

Remember back at end game. "Where tony stark and his daughter had the saying. "I heart you 3000." With everyone thinking that would be a great origin story for Iron heart. Her dad was iron man he died trying to save everyone so she wanted to continue on in his legacy. By making her own Iron man suit, but went with Iron Heart as a tribute to her father. Wasn't that a great idea no one capitalized on.

[@BigCowProductions]

But that would require a human with a soul writing things. We have demonic cultural terro_is_ word assemblers.

[@Valen-mh9fh]

I don't think that fits the women don't need men narrative though.

[@chrimsonphantom]

@@Valen-mh9fh there are so many narratives that doesn't fit. But I would make for a good story.

[@SWIFT_NINJA47]

Iron heart was always riri idk why you’d think they’d change iron heart

[@chrimsonphantom]

@@SWIFT_NINJA47 Because I didn't know who Riri was. Just knew there was a character called Iron Heart, and people posting I Heart you 3000, meant that Tony's daughter would become Iron Heart.

[@Apexsparest]

THEY MADE A SHOW OF THIS😭😭😭😭🙏 im done man

[@Zubarus]

so far the show is alreada done for 1year+ but get delayed more and more . why? to many money lost movies and series!

[@Valen-mh9fh]

Why? Think of all the free entertainment we'll be getting through YT channels! 😊

[@darkninja1732]

Remember, Japan used the name IronHeart first in 2014. Context is hilarious

[@Burns_RED]

She feels like it, because SHE IS

[@ColonelArnold]

Someone making knockoff Ironman suits for good should be 1 of 3 people either A: Peter Parker B: iron man’s daughter Morgan C: that kid from iron man 3 who showed up at the endgame funeral scene. Not some rando

[@emberfist8347]

4: Doctor Doom. Even before RDJ was announced to play him, I felt the MCU should have taken a cue from the Irredeemable Iron Man and made Doom’s armor an Iron Man knockoff to avoid the issues that the past live-action Fantastic Four films had in making his costume work in live action. It would also quickly establish his intelligence particularly if it was closer to say the Mark 43 that he could step in or out off as Tony said in Iron Man 2 that the imitators of his armor were 5-10 years behind the Mark 4 Armor.

[@christopherflores5405]

I was honestly rooting for Ironlad instead, with the kid tony met in iron man 3. That dude was even there at tony's funeral. Imagine a global, avengers level threat hits earth. Spidey holding the fort in NY. Other heroes doing they're thing elsewhere. And then we find out the kid in indiana shield was worried about was actually the kid in iron man 3 who tony gave a scholarship to at some point in their history. Ironlad swoops in, handles the shit in his city in his own iron man suit with tony as his AI companion / mentor. Then we get a continuation of their dynamic from iron man 3 but now tony is also preparing ironlad to be able to look out for tony's daughter later on. -- the full circle of how tony as implied to have looked out for him (in my version of the story, lol)

[@BigCowProductions]

6:26 I was LITERALLY told by someone the other day that i couldn't tell if i disliked 'dragqueen rage: veiltard' until i put 100 hours into it.....

[@renejosu]

"IRONHEART Feels Like a Dollar Store Iron Man" cause it is.

[@dragoonmk4203]

Rude!!! The Dollar Store has decent stuff sometimes. 😂

[@animezilla4486]

I disagree I think people just don't not interested in new characters

[@bable6314]

@@animezilla4486 Then you're wrong.

[@dragoonmk4203]

@animezilla4486 Except said "new character" is just a reskin of characters we've already seen done better.

[@JamesF-v4x]

@@animezilla4486have you ever been honest on here?

[@EBILGAMER]

Child: Can we have Iron Man? Mom: No, we have Iron Man at home. At home:

[@WarBeasty]

When she punches that truck and makes it flip, did she yell, "RED MEANS STOP!" .. because that looks identical to that scene in Hellboy.

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

That should be the point where the armor just shatters. That was a scene they took right after the comic books.

[@logicmeister1821]

As someone who did read the comics, "Doller Store Iron Man" is a generous description of Riri Williams

[@dylanbilson4271]

@@logicmeister1821 Riri Williams is basically Homelander from The Boys. Disney and Marvel rips off The Boys!

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

That Ian Malcolm quote from *JURASSIC PARK* pretty much says it all.

[@EbilDerp]

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman But your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

[@Ashaira]

You know who would have been a better IronMan replacement? That kid that helped Tony after he crashed in the second or third movie. He helped him with building his new suit AND helped him deal with his panic attacks. If you showed me that kid all grown up and going to college or something and wants to be as great of an engineer as Tony I would have zero problems with it.

[@leonwuu345]

You can tell they have investments in certain shows they KNOW might not be well loved. I think after Guardians, they realized they can make an unknown Character well beloved. If only they realized that it was the ACTORS/Actresses that made the character well beloved...

[@oskar6661]

As well as semi-competent writers...directors...producers...which have all fled the sinking ship.

[@savioblanc]

It's a good, believable script that made those movies great + good looking masculine and feminine women. Basically, they knew their audience. White males - who want alpha white male leads, feminine but strong women, who love the alpha white male but resists him, until something happens - he makes a sacrifice - and she falls for him. This also works with Black Panther because it plays on the same motif. This is why post-Endgame is such garbage. They're trying to appeal to females by making the female superheroes extremely masculine which appeals to nobody. Men want strong but feminine women. Women want to hot, masculine men. So neither gets what they want. And garbage TV producers are extremely confused.

[@jodi2847]

Writing. All about writing.

[@chriscollins2095]

It's really the writing that makes characters good or not. Having a good actor or actress helps, but if the writing sucks, good acting is wasted. Robert Downy Jr is going to play Dr. Doom, but people who've lost faith in Disney writing aren't enthusiastic in the slightest.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@chriscollins2095 I'm glad Disney is doing bad writing, so I don't feel tempted to financially support those CCP brown-nosers in any way

[@forgottenprime79]

Thats the way it was in the comics. Bargain Bin Iron Thing. Marvel 1939-2012 RIP. Disney 1937-2018 RIP.

[@PhoenixCent]

Just talking

[@tyrannozilla]

When I saw the thumbnail, I thought you were gonna talk about Ironheart's scenes from Black Panther 2. But they're actually giving her a TV series? 😵

[@Zubarus]

so far the show is alreada done for 1year+ but get delayed more and more . why? to many money lost movies and series!

[@tyrannozilla]

@@Zubarus It's more delayed than the Rey movie.

[@dragoonmk4203]

​@@tyrannozilla and this little super hero cried REE REE all the way home. xD

[@tyrannozilla]

@@dragoonmk4203 More like RRRRREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!1

[@silverheart4049]

MCU should have changed Ironheart to Tony Stark's teenage daughter with a cute, brave civvie boyfriend. It would be way more interesting.

[@emberfist8347]

Or just not do her. Have Rhodey be Iron Man or something.

[@SWIFT_NINJA47]

Make Rhodey iron man

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

@@SWIFT_NINJA47 There won't be an iron man. Plus Rhodey is a politican now.

[@neonxraven99]

"but they did that in the comic too". yeah that's also where it begins of people hate her existing

[@emberfist8347]

Some things just don’t work in Live-Action like the costumes of many Spider-Man villains. And things from the comics are hated too. People for example hated Maxwell Lord suddenly turning evil in the comics for being out of character which is why Wonder Woman 1984 made him a flawed but well-meaning businessman instead of a super villain. I know many don’t like that movie but as a fan of DC I will always that choice.

[@saviletotorres143]

@@emberfist8347I will always .. what?

[@saviletotorres143]

@@emberfist8347 I don't think mister mxyzptlk would work either, at least if you adapt him as a tak... like many The Flash villains. I hope the new DCU takes this into account

[@obrians-brown1307]

Time to steal materials and build a suit.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

black power

[@linthitmyo8969]

Mind you, her whole character is a self insert from the comics. She just exists to fill in the black of black and woman that was missing in ironman and her comics failed. Same thing with Ms marvel.

[@animezilla4486]

That makes no sense whatsoever first of all how do you even know she's supposed to be a fill-in for black women or something like that she's an entirely brand new character and I seem to recall when you have a brand new character you can do whatever you want. Besides you are absolutely wrong about Ms Marvel the comics were not a failure

[@JamesF-v4x]

@@animezilla4486you love to lie and shill for comics. It’s pathetic. Ms marvel has HOW many reboots? The marvels lost HOW much money? The Ms marvel show was cancelled after how many episodes? RiRi is tokenized and gender swapped Tony stark because leftists like you think black people only deserve the white mans leftovers. And Bendis only created her as a virtue signal for his adopted black daughter, which is a virtue signal all on its own.

[@petriew2018]

@@animezilla4486 modern ms. Marvel comics don't sell for shit. She's been rebooted 4 times in a decade and has yet to actually finish a solo run. They have to keep attaching her to spiderman or the X-Men just to get anyone to remember she exists the only reason people don't talk about what a failure she is is because modern marvel is nothing but failures when it comes to comics. My hero academia alone outsells their entire line up IN AMERICA for multiple years in a row. Marvel comics is a dumpster fire because of characters like iron heart and ms. marvel, nobody actually pays for it.

[@sparking023]

@@petriew2018 we have yet to see a replacement character who succeeds, besides Miles Morales, and even then you can say that's only because Miles borrows the name "Spider-Man". Anyone remember Amadeus Cho? lol

[@SWIFT_NINJA47]

@@sparking023if the reason miles succeeds is due to Spider-Man how come he is more popular than any other Spider-Man character other than Peter

[@michaeldavis2001]

The guy playing the 9race swapped) Wonder Man also played Black Manta in the Aquaman movies. Ironheart WAS in the comics, but she was pretty much hated there. NONE of the characters that they're throwing at us now were ever popular.

[@gt4980b]

Wonder Man isn't race swapped. One of the alternate Wonder Men is a black character. It used to be really easy to find his biography but since everyone flipped out over the casting, its buried in google's algorithm. Also, it looks like they are going to poke fun at the anti-woke crowd with a black man being cast as a white hero. I think that's quite hilarious if they do that. Ironheart was popular at the start. If you liked the teen marvel stuff. I did not so never saw her. The MCU never cultivated the teen MCU. I think they should have dumped the original Avengers completely and focused on the new crop but they were too focused on getting big named actors to play characters they were going to kill off in an episode.

[@SWIFT_NINJA47]

Iron man was never popular

[@gt4980b]

@@SWIFT_NINJA47 Iron Man or Iron Heart? Iron Man may have been popular back in the day. He did have a cartoon. Before my time, though.

[@michaeldavis2001]

@@SWIFT_NINJA47 And yet, the Iron Man comics lasted for years. The characters that I named have rarely got past issue 12. Iron Man WAS fairly popular. His comics were popular at a time when comics sold in the millions. Give THAT some thought!

[@PhoenixCent]

@@michaeldavis2001lmao he wasn’t popular at all actually…. He was a c list hero for a reason. His comics wasn’t doing good…

[@chloeforman]

To be fair She Hulk was created in 1980 by Stan Lee in a response to the Incredible Hulk TV Show. Marvel was concerned the TV show would invent its own female Hulk and Marvel would lose the rights to the character.. The original 25 comic, The Savage She Hulk, was a pretty standard Superhero story which made the character popular enough for She Hulk to become a member of the Avengers and later the Fantastic Four. Her talking to the reader/viewer came from her second comic book run, The Sensation She Hulk, and was pretty good. She did what Deadpool was doing twenty years earlier.

[@draykohunter6805]

She is so much more than just female Hulk, and I wish they brought her actual character to life, especially her relationship with Bruce.

[@chrimsonphantom]

@@draykohunter6805 I remember the old hulk show. She was able to keep up with him and was able to help keep in him in check. Hulk was way stronger than her, but she hulk was more acrobatic. Keeping her mind when transformed she's able to strategize in combat. She was also witty. They were close cousins and were supportive of each other. Live action butchered their relationship.

[@grimjoker5572]

I'm with you on the trailer thing. "How dare you judge if you want to watch this piece of media based on the advertisements that are supposed to make you want to watch this piece of media! Don't you know that's exactly what they're for!?"

[@Revenant-oq9ts]

The name Ironheart by the way was used by a Japanese adult tentacle P video before Marvel used it for a comic.

[@AssassinIsAfk]

Thank you for that information, I am sure that hearing iron heart is now going to make me both laugh and feel extremely sick at the same time, still more emotional then what I feel when I see this sad excuse of a hero on my screen.

[@PhoenixCent]

@@AssassinIsAfklmao yall know NOTHING about her yet calling her sad😭😭

[@AssassinIsAfk]

@@PhoenixCent I am sorry but having a iron man rip off called iron heart plus modern Hollywood spells disaster on the screen, it's going to be another "white male millionaires are evil and selfish, I am poor and from a marginalised group and I am infinitely better then tony stark could ever be" type of situation.

[@DahLekKnight]

“Your [executives] were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”

[@giovannibermudezjr]

Marvel went and bought Iron Man from Temu ...😬😅

[@joshjo9405]

I get that she's black, but even low budget Uganda films are better than this.

[@cultureinvasion]

8:19 - Person of Interest was a show like that for me. I haven't been inspired by shows / streaming since that era. So I dont watch too much anymore. Anime is way more satisfying. Awesome drop Alteori!

[@guardiantko3220]

Man.. What a great series that was too

[@cultureinvasion]

@@guardiantko3220 Bro - I watch it almost yearly. The feels...

[@Marveryn]

to give you some comic back story. She was part of the marvel to replace older characters with younger characters gear toward modern audiences. So instead of a white rich men, we get a petie black girl who stole iron man armor? and crated her own suit from the pieces she stole. (i think?) anyway at the time iron had issue which allow her to take over. she did a lot of amazing things which everyone praise her for. Like a proper DEI hire while ignoring she if seen certain context she was breaking laws. In the end she suffer no consequences and her book sale plummet till the brought iron man back. I have not read comic in a long time but i think she still around like the other hero they created for modern audiences.

[@joeyginise6051]

Didn't she cause a diplomatic incident with Latveria?

[@animezilla4486]

Question how do you know her comic fail if you haven't read comics in a long time

[@Marveryn]

@@animezilla4486 that easy. lack of comic that she is the main focus. you know when you dont have any issue with her as a star is sort of tell you that she isnt popular

[@animezilla4486]

@@Marveryn okay but I still think there is a small possibility this call work only time will tell besides Marvel not the only one that's taking chances non popular characters remember coming out in December we have DC's creature commandos

[@joeyginise6051]

@@animezilla4486 Sales stats and other related data.

[@slyc5920]

What makes it worse. Her comic book origins she purposely makes herself a victim, so she can overcome her "oppressors". It's so trash.

[@Demsky83]

3:06 someone said Jared Leto 😂😂

[@pudlmaker]

Well said. Sometimes it is so bad that it is good. Marvel can not and will never fall under that category.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

You can go so far into bad, that it becomes entertainingly bad enough to be good. Marvel keeps going deeper, and just pushes on through that layer to so bad it is cringe.

[@charlescaine6022]

In the comics, Wonder Man was an actor who got super powers, and he joined the Avengers. He was killed, but his body had been turned to energy by his powers so he was never really dead, but still had been buried. When he came back from the dead he basically had PTSD from "dying" and being buried alive. I liked the character in the 80's. He was dropped in the comics because DC sued saying his name was too close to Wonder Woman's. I'm surprised that they can make a show using that name.

[@emberfist8347]

Well don’t forget that he was also the victim of sa. Marvel seems to forget that.

[@MsClonetrooper]

He was also White and his mind was used to create Vision. Making them like brothers in a way.

[@emberfist8347]

@ More like God. That is how Jocasta (made from the Wasp’s mind) described dating Hank Pym.

[@harlannguyen4048]

Wonder Man was actually a CEO of a tech company that got arrested for embezzlement. He worked with the Masters of Evil and got super powers, but ultimately "died" when he saved the Avengers and turned on his former allies.

[@charlescaine6022]

@harlannguyen4048 I must have gotten his back story mixed up with another character. Just to make sure I'm not getting the character mixed up, he had super strength, high level of resistance to damage, and the goofy looking flight belt. If I remember it right, his costume was more like street clothes than most 80s characters.

[@desiretodraw]

“From” is amazing. Thanks for putting me on to the other shows. I’ve been looking for something

[@TheCreepyFolks]

I’m nervous about how bad they’re going to screw up the punisher. I don’t know if my heart can take seeing that character hijacked

[@bable6314]

Fortunately for you, the Daredevil Born Again showrunner is the same guy who ran The Punisher, so they should get him spot on.

[@petriew2018]

@@bable6314 don't hold your breath. Disney has completely neutered the punisher in the comics.

[@PhoenixCent]

@@petriew2018proof?

[@PhoenixCent]

@@petriew2018the same why did did to literally EVERY character

[@SmashedCr4bs]

I feel like Marvel itself is the "dollar store" version of a real production company at this point. In saying that I don't like marvel movies at all so this doesn't affect me

[@madambutterfly1997]

At this point we're going to need male versions of all the female characters just to make it fair. Cue the double standard Witch Hunt

[@PhoenixCent]

On ones stopping you💀💀

[@DominicJames3000]

How she got a show before Mbaku, Okoye, Nebula, Gamora, etc etc, is beyond me...man I'd even take a Jimmy woo show, or Luis(antman) or freakin Madisyn(from she hulk) before this show...I don't know many people that liked her, Shuri should have got a show for all this

[@harlannguyen4048]

Jimmy Wu could work since he actually leads his own team in the comics called The G-Men.

[@llywyllngryffyn8053]

"I want to build something undenyable" out of stolen parts and ideas. Great job.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

I mean she is a black woman, that's the best she can do (for marvel writers)

[@PhoenixCent]

@@marcogenovesi8570 white marvel writers you mean??

[@dragonhitman1071]

Only thing anyone needs to know about ironheart is how her orig is legit her being upset that her teacher wouldn't berate her or tell her she can't achieve anything... so she goes to steal Tony's suit.

[@PhoenixCent]

That’s in the comics… live action can COMPLETELY change that like they always do

[@dragonhitman1071]

@PhoenixCent once you start a character off wrong they rarely change it. So far character appears the same as in comics, but you right none the less. Spider verse managed to make a decent character out of miles though they keep giving him Peter's villains instead of making his own.

[@PhoenixCent]

@@dragonhitman1071 they changed Wanda’s backstory, eternals, thanos,guardians of the galaxy etc, I can keep going

[@dragonhitman1071]

@PhoenixCent i should of clarified they rarely change the token character's. I also said rarely, so I didn't say it doesn't happen.

[@sirellyn]

Ironheart is HATED in the comics from day one. She's a psychopath. So "she's in the comics" isn't even a poor excuse, it's evidence they are trying to FORCE something unpopular.

[@PhoenixCent]

What they literally been doing since iron man came out btw

[@Amidreamingnow]

They actually made the Iron Heart show, WTF is wrong with these people ? so many cool marvel characters and they keep choosing the most boring ones. SMH

[@tyrannozilla]

I'd rather have a show starring the Mole King.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

she is stunning and brave

[@PhoenixCent]

You say that like they didn’t literally make a movie about iron man…. Someone people DID not care about before the mcu

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@PhoenixCent Iron Man is a known golden age character, while not an A lister like Spiderman, it's more well-known than somebody that was sha t out on a page only a couple years before the movie and nobody even knows exists

[@PhoenixCent]

@ omg no way he’s more known then a hero that came out a few years ago🤯🤯🤯 who would’ve thought? Like that doesn’t change the fact that his comics wasn’t doing good AT ALL before the mcu

[@chrimsonphantom]

Her origin is that she wanted to prove her teacher wrong, by making him say something she can't do. So he said. "well you can't be iron man." So she became an iron man esk character just so she can prove him wrong on a point she wanted to make.

[@mathias6260]

Saying "they did it in the comics" is the equivalent of copying off someone else's exam sheet and failing because the answers were wrong and then blaming the one you copied

[@deltanogs4990]

My question is why didn't they use pepper or their FUCKING GENIUS DAUGHTER

[@Autobotap-out]

But you know what's crazy war machine was going to get his own tv show/movie but marvel cancel it for ironheart the show name was "armor wars"

[@Sammael757]

5:34 "...they did it in the comics." Yes, yes they did, and for the exact same reasons Hollywood is doing those things now. And pretty much to the same results, as right around d the time they started this stuff in the comics, the co.ics started to struggle to sell, *gasp* Just like the movies now.

[@nicholasdelaney1407]

I don't know why they felt the need to make a movie dedicated to a boring side character from another movie, it's like making a Harry Potter movie about Vincent Crabbe...

[@marcogenovesi8570]

it's the reverse, they put her in the other movie to introduce her tv show that was already under way. It's from the comics btw, the modern comics everybody hates

[@PhoenixCent]

@@marcogenovesi8570the same way no one was reading iron man comics before the mcu💀💀 like huh

[@PhoenixCent]

You say that like they didn’t make a movie about iron man….

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@PhoenixCent Iron man didn't have modern comics before the MCU. It's a golden age character, all his stories are in the old comic archives

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@PhoenixCent look out we got the Iron Heart police

[@craigwilliams1073]

Him playing Doom totally turned me away from the MCU! This young lady was a waste of money and time. Nothing against her, but the MCU have totally lost their minds! Excellent breakdown!!!

[@PhoenixCent]

Just talking

[@CaptainCreature]

They did it in the comics...and everyone still hated it

[@Senkoau]

I can't help but wonder how much, if any Downey will wear Dooms iconic mask.

[@joimumu]

15 minutes top and it will be at the end just like in the fantastic 4 movie (2005)

[@madambutterfly1997]

Jeff Goldblum as Ian Malcom was the best choice made in the History of film casting

[@emberfist8347]

RDJ as Iron Man: hold my Whopper.

[@jamcalx]

She is worse in the comics. She was made to replace Tony during the mid to terrible Marvel NOW/ All New, All Different marvel era back in 2010s when they were race/gender/sexuality swap and replacing most established characters (falcon becoming Cap, Jane being "Thor", Inhuman replacing Mutants, etc.) Her childhood had her be that she was MAD THAT HER TEACHER WASN'T BEING RACIST AND SAYING SHE CAN'T BE A SOMEBODY because she was a bored child prodigy who wanted a challenge, to which the teacher said " OK, you can't be Tony stark?" Just to calm her down. In defense of comics version She-Hulk, she's a wellrounded character the broke to 4th wall before Deadpool did and was supportive of her cousin Bruce, who saved her with a blood transfusion when she was gunned down by the mob. She embraced her new life while reminding Bruce of all the good hulk has done. Her book also had so fun satire as well. The show just made her more insufferable than TV Supergirl, which is a feat. As soon as Disney bought Marvel, i knew they were just using the comics like a content farm for what they wanted to do in the films, despite their lie that they wouldn't.

[@solivagen435]

9:28 "Like, what is that? A *Power Rangers* suit?" Hey, I will not stand for the slander. Power Rangers suits are made with more attention to quality than Ironhearts CGI so-broke suits. 💔

[@SnakeWasRight]

If you cant make me interested in your product with advertising, either your product is terrible and the advertising is accurate, or your advertising is terrible. Either way. It's your problem, not mine.

[@harlannguyen4048]

Example for the latter: Transformers One

[@FireBomberBassist]

Ironheart wasn’t a hit in her comic with fans, just imagine this…

[@PhoenixCent]

Iron man wasn’t either but hey

[@thelonesage3146]

I could never get over her name being Riri. I'm black by the way.

[@joshuadavids8535]

What would have worked for a followup to Ironman was the kid, i think from ironman 2 or was it 3? Anyways, the kid that helps him get through his ptsd episodes. He was at the funeral as well. Should have him taken growing into wanting to live up to his mentor, failed, succeeded, learned and grew eventually becoming a homage of Ironman. But nope, get this mary sue instead.

[@sidekickspam7574]

That armor looks like something out of Destiny. Brings back bad memories.

[@pedanticperson1149]

You should look up her origin story, IIRC* it amounts to her desperate to be oppressed, to have something to rail against, and wasn't happy when her teacher essentially told her she's got an amazing life ahead of her & could achieve anything she wanted; in the end the teacher grudgingly said that she could never be Tony Stark/Iron man and that gave her a purpose in life... I get that sort of energy from the "I want to build something undeniable", that they're going to fully embrace the cringe & make it about her having to overcome the doubt that no one is realistically going to be expressing. *Also, I think she essentially "found"/stolen Stark's tech to build her suit.

[@CL053DC45K37]

I thought daredevil was boring. I only watched it to see the Frank Castle storyline and I only watched that once The Punisher was coming out so I could understand the full story. I liked of some the supporting characters of Daredevil but just wasn't into the story really. I love The Punisher tho and Jon Bernthal does a great job as Frank Castle. Jon is such a good actor, he really makes you belive he is the character. I saw this movie called Sweet Virgina with Jon Bernthal and he was really good in that movie. It's about a former bull rider running the Hotel he inherited from his brother and then some crazy bs happens. It's a really good movie.

[@yodieyuh]

If we're reusing actors, Michael Fassbender would be a better Doom.

[@PedroHenrique-tu5li]

Speaking as a comics fan. A real comics fan, not a MCU fan that bought 5 comics for hype and read some wikipedia articles. Iron Heart is not the Dollar Store Iron Man, she's worse than that. All her comics failed, every series she appeared didn't do well, fans don't like her and and she brings nothing new to the table. The fact that they gave her character screen time on the MCU before all of the other og characters like Beta Ray Bill, Nova, the Inhumans (no, that miserable series doesn't count) and Luke Cage is baffling to me. It will fail just like her comics and then we, the fans, will be blamed for not watching it or they will do the Aghata rout and pretend everyone likes it.

[@animezilla4486]

question how do you know this series/ movie is going to fail based on what evidence I think we need some new characters because we can't keep running all characters for the rest of our lives Aghata

[@PedroHenrique-tu5li]

@@animezilla4486 All her comics failed, every series she appeared didn't do well, fans don't like her and and she brings nothing new to the table. That's how I know. And yes, we do need new characters, GOOD characters, I just listed 3 new faces for the MCU and a whole new group.

[@emberfist8347]

Luke Cage is in the MCU.

[@PhoenixCent]

@@PedroHenrique-tu5lilmao literally the same way iron man wasn’t popular at all before the mcu. And people actually DID like Agatha try again tho

[@adolfopla1217]

Girl, the internet is ablaze because of Dragon age, THE veilguard, and you throw me this curveball? I’m not even mad. 😂

[@Mario-s5z3o]

0:16 YO HE GOT THE DRIP

[@LurkingLeviathan]

@@Mario-s5z3o that scene was so good

[@chrimsonphantom]

So there was a video telling the difference between Iron heart and hulk from the original avengers movie. They have to tell everyone she's smart and they have to have an established character that they like her. While Hulk, showed that he was smart and we're able to get a grasp of his character off of visual clues and we get to form our own opinion.

[@PhoenixCent]

I mean they literally showed she was smart😂😂

[@Hichigo1554]

They. Could’ve. Used. That. Boy. From. Iron-man 3! He would’ve been a perfect next Iron-man, perfect passing of the torch! He was even at Tony’s funeral in Endgame.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

they had Iron Heart already in the comics (that flopped) so you know they had to dothat

[@PhoenixCent]

@@marcogenovesi8570the same way the iron man comics was flopping before the mcu btw😂😂

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@PhoenixCent I already told you there was no "iron man comic" before the MCU, they wrote the comic at the same time as the first movie. Iron man stories are from old comics like very old before you were born

[@BrandonDenny-we1rw]

8:25 Shangri La Frontier. An anime. This weeks episode was pure exposition between characters. I didnt even realize 20 minutes went by until the ending started. I dont know how it does it but its so gripping

[@24framedavinci39]

"I don't know why we keep getting shows about characters nobody cares about." Really? You don't? You don't notice the pattern?

[@guardiantko3220]

Ah ah. No no, you can't say that. Recognizing patterns is toxic masculinity or racist or sexist or phobic

[@joimumu]

Agree she sometime see this and sometimes not, it all depends if she SIMPs for the actors like in the "Gamers ... We are becoming our enemy" video she was white knight for well over 40 minutes just because she like the Father

[@marcogenovesi8570]

women amirite?

[@PhoenixCent]

They do it all the time??? Iron man, guardians of the galaxy, captain America, etc I can keep going😂😂

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@PhoenixCent they all were known and proven in the comics

[@QTRemnant]

Most likely not watching it anyway, but I do hope her characterization is like her later solo comics. Though, I can't remember her characterization in those comics since it's been awhile.

[@joeyginise6051]

If you can't remember, that means it was shit.

[@QTRemnant]

@joeyginise6051 Maybe. At least, I can admit that I read those books all the way through instead of giving up on the character over her bad start (like a normal person).

[@joeyginise6051]

@@QTRemnant Trash will always be trash. The Character isn't popular for a reason.

[@QTRemnant]

@@joeyginise6051 There will always be a chance to make a character popular. Sure, there are characters who clearly won't be all that popular (either because they're not interesting enough or nothing was planned to begin with), but a decent story is all that it takes.

[@joeyginise6051]

@QTRemnant Not if nobody likes the character. Fact is, we don't want black ironman, we want ironman.

[@randomaccountwithmusic4206]

0:38 That would fur sure, kill a normal person

[@linweihao5475]

i cannot get over how adorable your fox is

[@Superluigi881]

"They did it in the comics!" Yeah and it sucked there too and no one bought it.

[@connorsnickers1]

They missed a big chance to make the boy from Ironman 3 into his predecessor, he even showed up at his funeral. Or even making Tony’s daughter his predecessor would make more sense

[@TotallyNotAFox]

Successor - Predecessors are the ones comming before

[@stackels97]

Omg, they're actually releasing it!!! That's hilarious.

[@RainMicro]

“I wanna build something undeniable… black ironman… it worked for spiderman r-right?”

[@bihansiceclone]

“Ironheart feels like a dollar store iron man” that’s exactly what she was created to be but for black people (im black btw)

[@KingOfTheNights]

We don't watch ♀️ heroes regardless of race so it ain't for us lol.

[@RuinedLeon]

WAKANDA FOREVAAAAAAAAAA

[@joimumu]

Will you be making video about Hollywood only making Token race swap/gender swap characters instead of doing real work and give us a character that isn't pandering or a Mary Sue. Blade (1998) was awesome because he wasn´t a token character that had no weaknesses but still was a badass, Blade 2025 will suck because A the movie won´t be about him and B some Token chick will be a Mary Sue that spends more time lecture Blade (and men in general) than killing Vampires I love your channel BTW

[@Sam_00980]

4:20 I liked she hulk in comics and animated series. So i was excited for live action version. But it just 😢. It was such a waste.

[@Hoigwai]

Ironheart is a D- character in the Marvel comic universe. A grand total of 12 solo comic books. Not 12 series, 12 comics. She is cameo material and a horrible choice for a standalone character.

[@raven3067]

That's because it IS a dollar store knockoff.

[@MrCovi2955]

Tony Stark "I want to escape from a terrorist's prison camp, and dismantle the arms empire my father made which is arming their activities, so I can bring peace to the world." Becomes Iron Man Riri Williams "I wanna make something undeniable." Becomes Iron Heart. One of these is a superhero backstory. One of these is self insert fan fiction.

[@MrCovi2955]

"Everyone who's ever done anything great in life had to do some questionable things" sounds like a line justifying bad behavior for Riri. Its the difference between Tony overcoming his vices to become a hero, and Riri being "justified" in her vices because "she's a hero." These two movies were made with different world views, and it shows.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

*you forgot stealing tech and parts from her peers and the school to make the suit

[@PhoenixCent]

@@marcogenovesi8570lmao helppp you saying the same thing to everyone

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@PhoenixCent says who? the one that goes in each comment to say "but nobody knew iron man"? Piss offr

[@Sirtobiwan1988]

loki season 2 was great the ending so good him waking up the stairs to his throne where he sits alone so that the realities and his friends can survive

[@GODCONVOYPRIME]

War Machine had his own comic, I'd watch it.

[@emberfist8347]

Honesty he should have taken over once Tony died. He became War Machine primarily because he was loved by fans for his brief tenure as Iron Man.