MANTLE OF BATTLE HARMONY Small Buff, Big Improvement!!

[@j.robertjoseph8690]

Still the best breakdowns especially for older exotics. Keep up the great work!

[@IronworkerGaming]

I really appreciate that man! 😁🍻

[@DFH02]

two tailed fox try not to get nerfed into the ground challenge (impossible)

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hahaha! Just when things were looking up for it too....😅🍻

[@dmark_]

shit lasted a couple of days man

[@emberarashi1987]

Can someone explain how it got nerfed? And the facet too since I think I use it

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@emberarashi1987 When paired together, the Fragment allowed Two-Tailed to reload instantly every time a volley landed with no cooldown. Now that Facet of Command has an 11 second cooldown applied to it, the funs over. 😅👍

[@emberarashi1987]

@@IronworkerGaming jeez…they killed the gun

[@saquial]

Time to pull Ager Scepter out of the vault, nothing’s gonna stop the freeze beam!

[@IronworkerGaming]

MoBH and Ager's really is a fantastic combo!! 👍🍻

[@arnifenrenso2940]

Now if only we could get osmosis on bad juju.

[@NEWGHOST9]

Honestly that would be rlly fun, love me the bad juju would love if we could get osmosis would make it work great with the nezerecs sin and now mantle of battle harmory, i wonder if any of the pale heart weapons get thresh.. usually a useless perk but might make this even sillier in this case

[@rickyruiz2135]

And also an aoe perk, supposedly after a lot of kills bad juju has an aoe dmg, but they should just make it that when string of curses is at max that it procs or something like that

[@hooky17]

You can use any of the new exotics and they stack with the Dealers Choice weapons. And afaik they do about the same as Thresh when there are 3 equipped. Khvostov, Microcosm, Still Hunt and Ergo Sum all count towards the stacking super return from Dealers Choice. If you look at the trait description it says “Weapons that drop from the Pale Heart” not just weapons that have the trait

[@J.Starkweather]

I would like this as an option. Bad Juju can be pretty fun with Chromatic Fire. Change up the perks and give BJ three perks to choose from: Osmosis, Permeability or Precision Instrument.

[@Kermie_Frogman]

Mantle with prismatic, song of flame, and weapons that have Dealer's Choice makes for super gains faster than using Bad Juju at full stacks by almost double. I've been getting supers using No Hesitation for add clear in less than 30 seconds.

[@hooky17]

Worth noting it’s not just Dealers Choice weapons but any weapons from the Pale Heart. That includes any of the Exotics from TFS. Khvostov, Microcosm, Still Hunt and Ergo Sum all count

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

@@hooky17 Do they really? I know the non-exotic Khvostov has Dealer's Choice, but do the Exotics have the perk as a hidden intrinsic?

[@hooky17]

@@ShaoShaoMienshao in hindsight. I was misinformed. It appears only a few do. I was misinformed. Khvostov is one. But so is Ace of Spades. I don’t believe the others do. Sorry for the wrong info

[@paulwilliams4955]

Been using exotic class item with spirit of Harmony and Apotheosis with 2 Pale Heart weapons; it’s crazy. Song of Flames on rotation with extra grenades and melees at the end. Epic ad clear and strong DPS and survivability. As always, love your content 😊

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thanks a lot man! It really is crazy how quickly you can get your super back up with Battle Harmony and these Pale Heart weapons! 😁👍

[@griqs]

Thats insane, lmao. Imagine in onslaught or anything similar. This gives a ton of super energy and kind of alleviates some other factors with specific subclasses. idk if this is spread to the other classes but its pretty lit. will keep an eye out for it for surges too.

[@headshotninja21]

Pre TFS Mantle was 3% over 3 seconds it was non refreshable so that was the cooldown timer too. Still pre TFS it was my most used warlock exotic, the super bump was enough to put it on par with phoenix protocol if you could slay out hard enough and the 4x surge was a great bonus

[@ske7chin478]

Love your breakdowns, gives the best data driven conclusions! I’m using MBH in a ‘1 shot’ build on prismatic too, but with parasite for giggles

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much, and I really appreciate the support! I've never tired Parasite with MoBH, but that sounds like it could be a ton of fun! I'm gonna have to give that a try! 😂🍻

[@jlandejr]

Never thought I'd take off Nezarecs but high key I love Mantle. Graviton or Wavesplitter and fragments/artifact mods that buff nova bomb is just unmatched. Gonna be hard to take off when I get that Osmiomancy/Veritys bond roll! Even if I haven't taken the thing off since TFS started, still learned something new so appreciate the breakdown!

[@IronworkerGaming]

You're very welcome, and I'm right there with you! Nezarec's has been glued to my head for a very long time! Seeing how well MoBH is performing currently, I don't want to unequip it! 😅🍻

[@Seth.In.Phoenix]

Appreciate all your work. This is very interesting. I do like Mantle of Battle Harmony and I did see that they removed the kill cool down but I like how you did all the testing.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much! I was exited when Bungie announced the removal off the cooldown, and I'm really happy with how things panned out! I hope that you're able to put the info to good use! 😁🍻

[@nealeade5783]

Kept confidence hand cannon with enhanced thresh 😮

[@EepyGirlLava]

mental health has been terrible lately and I haven't been on much, even tho I've wanted to, but I'm still saving vids like this for when I come back, I remember loving mantle so I cant wait to watch this later, thx

[@ozzysmith2571]

Coming back to say this is great. Ended up leaning into this entirely last night. Running threadlings nade arcane needle, Needlestorm. Then running The Call, Tessellation, Promemoria. It's all strand and there's 2 dealer choice weapons. I'm getting Needlestorm SO FAST

[@saladgaming4339]

Best part of battle harmony is it's on the class item too so you can pair this with inmost light or apotheosis, it's great

[@J.Starkweather]

Oh I am gonna have fun with this! Theres gonna be Threadlings EVERYWHERE 😂

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hahaha! The never ending barrage of Needle Storms! 😅🍻

[@Alexkexmex]

I'd recommend to try it with Vex Mythoclast and Solar warlock with radiant and Ember of Empyrean to extend radiant and get the 4x surge to do high damage to redbars and with the linear mode to do high damage to champions

[@new_zzzombie]

Thats what I use, Or ager yeah. cureently.

[@IronworkerGaming]

That really is a great pairing on Dawnblade! I know many players gravitate towards Rain of Fire when running Vex, but in a lot of way MoBH can be the more beneficial armor piece! 👍👍

[@bewarethebat0]

It's crazy how one change can really make an exotic feel better

[@NihilisticTings]

Crazy how we expect exotic perks to feel powerful but bungie employs 45 year olds who think reloading faster could suffice for an exotic perk. Absolute r3tards

[@IronworkerGaming]

Right!? Just doing away with the cooldown really was such a great change! 👍👍

[@KreeTerry]

I want to do a prismatic build with mantle and song of flame to maximize transcendence and super up time. I don’t have final shape yet though so I can’t put the build together and I doubt it’ll be end game viable but it seems like it could be a fun build and possibly even solo viable. Either way I appreciate you bringing some attention to my favorite exotic, she’s a beaut paired with travelers chosen as well since you can pair them both with literally any subclass.

[@bootlesswhale1318]

Great breakdown!

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much! I'm glad that you enjoyed it! 👍🍻

[@Travige57]

Damn I love your work on these videos. 😊

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much! 😁👍

[@tenken73]

Bro thanks. I got this perk on my solipsism and at first was dissatisfied. Then i realized that honestly, is kinda op. Curious if the dmg buff if the same on there. Thanks for the great video!

[@IronworkerGaming]

You're very welcome! I think on the Exotic Class item, you will just get the Super Energy return side of things (I don't believe the damage buff is included). But still, being able to see these kind of super returns is great in it's own right! 😁👍

[@thearisthotle4686]

Please test dealers choice!! The description reads that it works when you have multiple weapons FROM the pale heart equipped, NOT multiple weapons with dealers choice. I NEED TO KNOW IF THIS WORKS WITH PALE HEART EXOTICS (still hunt, microcosm, ergo sum, etc)

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hummm....this is true! That is definitely worth trying out! 😁👍

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ok, so I just tested Microcosm with 2 other Dealers Choice Pale Heart weapons equipped. Sadly, I couldn't hit anywhere near the numbers that I was seeing with a Dealers Choice weapon doing the work. I also tried things out with Micorcosm holstered and a Dealers Choice weapon in hand, and the super was back up roughly 20 sec slower. I'd have to figure that it is the Origin Trait that makes the magic happen. 👍👍

[@joshuasmith6909]

In a similar vein, Nighthawk + Bad Juju slaps. Nothing quite like running Golden Gun like it’s a pocket rocket.

[@eliteslayer66]

I main warlock and love testing random things i normally wouldnt use. Super focused exotics being that, but also its generally not an exciting one. But a couple weeks ago i was super excited to combo the dealers choice guns with it and its super nice. I run it with no hesitation and solar obviously. I think Battle harmony used to not have a cooldown but later on they added one? I'm unsure but people used to combo it with agers scepter. I wish Bad juju was better.

[@Hina_Hanta]

Dang grass. Glad to know it wasn't nerfs across the board for us warlock mains

[@IronworkerGaming]

Haha, the grass was officially conquered...till next week at least.😂 Also, great to hear from you! I hope you've been well! Even though it just saw a small tweak in Final Shape, I'm really liking what it did for MoBH! 😁🍻

[@turd0420]

Was using this pre final shape, the removal of cooldown on super gain is a huge change. I definitely have to try the pale heart combo

[@IronworkerGaming]

It really was a great to see it go. It was such a small tweak, but did the exotic a ton of good! 👍🍻

[@hooky17]

Worth noting it’s not just Dealers Choice weapons but any weapons from the Pale Heart. That includes any of the Exotics from TFS. Khvostov, Microcosm, Still Hunt and Ergo Sum all count

[@LordJoker88]

As soon as i could equip 3 dealers choice weapons i grabbed that chest piece and checked if any of the weapons could run thresh, would have been niche but wouldve been fun to see the super energy chunk just a little more

[@IronworkerGaming]

I ran to Light.gg and looked for the same exact thing after I ran the test! I didn't see any that could roll it but it would certainly have been interesting to try! 👍🍻

[@hooky17]

Worth noting it’s not just Dealers Choice weapons but any weapons from the Pale Heart. That includes any of the Exotics from TFS. Khvostov, Microcosm, Still Hunt and Ergo Sum all count

[@0pheli0n]

Ive got a build rn that uses the class item w spirit of apotheosis & harmony, & the call & no hesitation for dealers choice. Very fun build for onslaught, had a run where I got around 900+ kills and made near 400 orbs. Pair that with Power Preservation & EVERYONE GETS A SUPER WOOO

[@0pheli0n]

Forgot to mention i use song of flame & was getting my super back every single round

[@rayne217]

bro has that d1 year 1 crucible super cooldown ☠

[@Hydravine]

Ive been running MoBH with Final Warning on prismatic warlock, its cracked

[@bakairy]

Tloloc got turned into a chest piece

[@maxwelllogan-fx7xq]

Quality vid as always

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much man! 👍🍻

[@ozzysmith2571]

Oh man I've already been running 2 or 3 dealers choice to begin with (No Hesitation and The Call are my new favourite weapons in the game) But man giving up my double turrets is gonna be painful...

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hahaha! That's completely understandable! Having a full fireteam when playing solo is a ton of fun! 😂 Always great to hear from you! 👍🍻

[@0pheli0n]

Try farming for an apotheosis | Harmony class item! When apotheosis procs you can send up to 3 turrets & with Harmony letting you get your super in less than a minute Im sure itll fel the same with the added bonus of always having a super

[@piratehunterreviews9958]

It lets me use me spicy new solar super very often. Yea i knew i was gonna be a fan lol even in lightfall it was fun running mantle with tommys matchbook. Restoration ×2 and do your best titan impression as a warlock until you get your super then use it or get the damge boost on top of tommys damage boost when ramped up. Fun stuff

[@allisonshoemaker6866]

Huh. I had an old build with this and Agers, I might have to see about putting a modern twist on it. Also from my experience, the Spirit version of Mantle seems to be the same super energy just with 0 surges.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ager's and MoBH always was a beautiful combo! I was toying around with it a little bit and it certainly gets my stamp of approval in TFS! 😂🍻

[@npaul5962]

Pairs nicely with Aegis Scepter. I wonder if this would work with Microcosm and Prismatic

[@IronworkerGaming]

MoBH and Ager's really is a phenomenal pairing! I haven't play around with Microcosm as of yet, but I wouldn't think there would be any direct synergy with it being kinetic damage, but it would provide an additional source of super energy! 👍👍

[@zferolie]

I have used agers with this weapon on stasis since agers dropped, and its one of my favorite builds. I wondering if there is any solid new weapons to use with it, probably the healer auto. Shame we dont have a pale heart stasis heavy.

[@lord_of_flames7861]

When I played the legend campaign I paired this with a thresh dead messager. I had my super just about every minute.

[@IronworkerGaming]

That's awesome! I must say, it is really nice being able to use your super like its a general ability! 😂🍻

[@conversefall5928]

Can you do a video on the new warlock robes? They seem really interesting

[@oldroptop7579]

Hell yeah, good stuff

[@IronworkerGaming]

😁👍🍻

[@TragicChaosx]

Hey brother! Love the video as always! Keep up the amazing content!🍻 we definitely need to play together sometime!

[@IronworkerGaming]

Always great to hear from you, and the support is always appreciated! Feel free to reach out anytime! It's not too often that I get to play the game "for fun" but I can usually find a little bit of time! 😁🍻

[@Blindgibbon]

I am running this with three pale heart weapons and it is really nice.

[@IronworkerGaming]

It is very impressive! That super meter fills up insanely fast! 👍🍻

[@Blindgibbon]

@@IronworkerGaming I have been using the song of flame super with no hesitations with a subsistence/incandescent roll and talk about super spam.

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

I managed to get Spirit of Harmony and Spirit of Ophidians on the same Exotic bond. I'm so excited. If the data for the Super energy gains are the same, and players are coded as Majors (~3% energy???) then I should have a massive Super advantage in PvP modes.

[@theregularfolks1723]

Headstone crystal kills count as weapon kills and will decrease your super CD significantly when clearing groups with shatter

[@IronworkerGaming]

Indeed! I was trying to be carful to just secure the kills with the weapon itself during the test, but when you're clearing packs of enemies with those crystals super energy definitely comes back in chunks! 👍🍻

[@theregularfolks1723]

Ok… good to know… not trying to tell you how to do your job, but I think a small segment in the beginning showing one of those big chunks would have been really cool to show off…

[@theregularfolks1723]

Great vid though… I’ve been using this set up with a transcendence build that makes orbs like crazy… but I have to use the autorifle for song of flame… you constantly alternate between song of flame and transcendence… both making super tier orbs

[@colinmx.]

Woah

[@rollingr0ck]

ngl, the dealer's choice super gain benefit just didn't register in my brain. I'm going to have to consider using 3 of them in combination with armor mods for literal nova bomb spam. Thanks for this info!

[@IronworkerGaming]

You're very welcome! Seeing just how potent Dealer's Choice was when in a full set really took me off guard! I normally expect Origin Traits to provide a welcome, but minor benefit to the weapon. This was damn impressive! 😁👍

[@algernardzyerssharp]

I had to sit up for the dealer's choice test👀👀

[@IronworkerGaming]

Right!? Usually Origin Traits provide a welcome, but minor benefit to the weapon. I had no idea what Dealers Choice was packing! 😂👍

[@omiejay]

Cool upgrade for mobh, but why the heck did I get a support Israel ad on this video?

[@IronworkerGaming]

It really is a nice change! As far as the add...I have no clue! KZbin is a strange platform. 😂👍

[@zachtoplasm2752]

iirc the super gains could potentially be better in harder content since higher enemy tiers now give more super than red bars

[@IronworkerGaming]

True indeed! If you can take them out in a timely manner, you definitely could see better returns! 👍👍

[@sc5the]

this thing is insane in pvp. especially 3v3. oh my god this plus prismatic in pvp is so broken. it’s crazy how overlooked everything in this game is.

[@rickyruiz2135]

This is amazing, but now I have a question, would it be better to use the exotic or the bond, because youre basically spamming the super at any time you can so might as well try to get more benefits by using the bond with spirit of apotheosis+ spirit of mantle

[@IronworkerGaming]

I think which is the better option would really come down to personal preference. The super gains are definitely a great feature for both. You just gotta decide between taking the damage buff side of MoBH or replacing that with a different perk on Solipsism. It's all in what you're looking for I suppose! 👍🍻

[@Samsonfs]

Imagine if titans had a single exotic that allowed us to get our terrible supers back faster lol

[@IronworkerGaming]

😂👍🍻

[@axe2grind244]

True… but we can fire nuclear missiles out of our barricades while we wait for our lousy super

[@Lorentz_Driver]

Doomfang. Ursa Furiosa.

[@Samsonfs]

@@Lorentz_Driver I suppose but they're basically only for sentinel shield and that's quite garbage, I legitimately forgot it existed.

[@intoxicviii]

Wouldn't you do more damage if you had a void weapon in your hand and a void super since the enemies you were going against had voided Shields?

[@IronworkerGaming]

The Minotaur in there was the only shielded enemy so I wasn't terribly concerned about it, but a Void weapons certainly would have popped it off much quicker. 👍🍻

[@sithazzazzin7329]

Up until final shape I ran Battle for the infinite extra damage when running solo.

[@patricksullivan9713]

I so was hoping someone would test mantle with the new weapons!!

[@IronworkerGaming]

Glad to hear that I could come through for you! 😁👍

[@Un4gettablewolf]

I really hope bungie brings all of our light and dark abilities to prismatic. Changing how the exotic works by saying matching super instead matching subclass says what bungie is thinking in the future.

[@IronworkerGaming]

That is a really interesting concept! Complete freedom under one subclass! 👍🍻

[@Un4gettablewolf]

@IronworkerGaming I believe there was talk about this for d3. But maybe it was scrapped. But there's signs of this still happening. Bungie seems to be consolidating everything. From what I hear they would be getting rid of different subclass types and making it about race or origin.

[@kit_horror]

Couldn't you run a surge mod to get a 17% damage boost while your super is building to get the kills raider, then because the boost is larger at 25%, mobh would automatically kick in after your super is full? Seems like you'd get your super faster cuz you'd kill faster

[@IronworkerGaming]

That is certainly is an option! 👍👍

[@NEWGHOST9]

Oki, i rlly enjoyed the exotic in the past but that’s crazy, i wonder if any of the pale heart weapons get thresh.. cuz that might actually be a good thing ti test out aswell

[@IronworkerGaming]

As soon as I saw how much Super energy they were generating through the origin trait, I ran strait to Light.gg to check for Thresh! 😅 Sadly, I didn't see any that could roll with it (I don't thing that I missed any at least), but things certainly would have got pretty wild if they could! 😂👍

[@hooky17]

Nice video thank you. Worth noting it’s not just Dealers Choice weapons but any weapons from the Pale Heart. That includes any of the Exotics from TFS. Khvostov, Microcosm, Still Hunt and Ergo Sum all count towards buffing the super return

[@IronworkerGaming]

You're very welcome, and glad to hear that you enjoyed it! Some had asked about the Pale Heart exotics when paired with Dealers Choice weapons, so I tested it out with Microcosm and was not getting results on par with 3 Pale Heart legendarys. I'll give it another shot at some point though. 👍🍻

[@hooky17]

@@IronworkerGaming On that, I did my own testing after I posted this too and I agree. They do seem to give some additional benefit compared to 'normal' non-dealers choice weapons. But definitely running three of the legendary weapons with the traits gives better returns. I apologise for what seems like misinformation. I guess worth noting that Microcosm does give more super enegry on kills itself so possibly not a bad shout but doesn't then buff the others as you say. My bad

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@hooky17 No worries!! Super gains can be really finicky and tedious to test and gauge. It would have been awesome if it did work out though, and we were able to get some of those exotics into the mix!🍻

[@mvrk4044]

now if only we got a decent arc super

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hahaha! Right!? 👍👍

[@CheezerTheGrate]

Wait what happened with Two Tailed and Facet Of Command? Did they nerf it? And if they did… I guess we had to trade it for Two Tailed working properly with surges again Rip Two Tailed meta you were a real one while you lasted

[@IronworkerGaming]

Yeah, unfortunately they did hit Facet of Command with an 11 second cooldown, so no more instant reloads. It sure was nice having a reason to pull TTF back out though, even if it was just for a short time! 😁🍻

[@oWarone]

Today i got the Two tailed.... 😢😢😢 it was my last Exotic -.- and now they nerfed it 😭😭😭

[@CheezerTheGrate]

@@oWarone it’s still powerful! Don’t worry

[@arthas_stormr8ge877]

Bro I got a harmony and apotheosis class exotic and it is so good. I get my nova bomb back in like 20 seconds with graviton.

[@IronworkerGaming]

That's awesome!! 👍🍻

[@Pickles69696]

such a well done video, instant sub from me👍

[@IronworkerGaming]

Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the vid, and I really appreciate the subscription! Welcome to the channel! 😁🍻

[@ecfeclipse]

Still waiting for this thing to get a good looking ornament

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hahah, right!? The fashion side of this exotics makes my stomach upset! 😂👍

[@MoogleTheGod]

For higher level content you can use the call and needlestorm

[@MeanMachineRAF]

Even better: exo strand sidearm.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Indeed! Plus you could run the Pro Memoria Strand LMG for for another option to make use of the MoBH buff while maintaining the Dealers Choice stack! 👍😁

[@Zaproz_]

Mix MoBH with 3 Pale Heart weapons. Get super back in like 30 secs. Idk if you mentioned this combo btw, sorry if you did. Im currently watching in a loud ass place. Edit: As soon as i sent this u started testing. Whoops

[@IronworkerGaming]

Haha, no worries! It really is insane how quickly you can get your super back up with that loadout! 😁🍻

[@HoopleHeadUSA]

This is great with Graviton Lance and weaken nades

[@IronworkerGaming]

Absolutely!! 😁👍

[@JustJoe24]

How is the mantle perk on the exotic class items? Does that have the cooldown the exotic armor used to have?

[@IronworkerGaming]

They should provided the exact same benefit in regards to the super cooldown. 👍🍻

[@zorpglorp]

do any of the exotics from the pale heart have the origin trait as a hidden perk? i know conditional finality will grant a stack of its origin trait to other ron weapons.

[@IronworkerGaming]

I did it out with Microcosm because someone pointed out that the Dealer's Choice perk is supposed to work with "Pale Heart Weapons" and didn't get positive results in my testing. Although I have seen others saying that it does work (but I have no real way of confirming if their testing process was valid or not). So, I'm sticking with no...at least in Microcosms case, but it may be worthwhile to try it for yourself.👍👍

[@zorpglorp]

@@IronworkerGaming that sucks but i guess it's still worth trying with the other exotics

[@generalnawaki]

6:18 yo what the *races to my vault to de equip necrotic grips. Edit: just got back from K1 communion on the moon and FOUR TIMES did I get to super with all pale hearts weapons and the mantle on. like damn. DAMN.

[@IronworkerGaming]

That's awesome!! I have been very impressed with MoBH in it's current state....so much so that I haven't felt the urge to equip Nezarec's Sin!! 😅👍

[@generalnawaki]

@@IronworkerGaming I mean, what's better more abilities or more supers, MOAR SUPAAAAAS! :P

[@jaden6805]

Bro, I made the same build today now my friend thinks I stole it from you.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hahaha!! As the saying goes...great minds do think alike! 😂🍻

[@JZblue9]

really want a ded gramarye with discord/chain so i can try it with arc and just go nuts with the weapon damage.

[@NoBloons]

I might join the discord. Would they enjoy randim dungeons?

[@IronworkerGaming]

Haha! You might be able to find a few people in there that would go for that! 😁👍

[@randallcouto2904]

Mantle of battle harmony was great on release , it had a few different nerfs to it. They nerfed how much energy you got back and they nerfed how to proc its buff when super was full. They then nerfed it again when they introduced those stupid surge mods. I don't think they stack but I might be wrg. They took away high energy fire which did stack.

[@IronworkerGaming]

Ehhh...some of that's not quite right. I did test and release a video on it when it first launched and then again a season or two later when Bungie actually allowed it to work in PvP. I definitely do prefer the exotic in it's current state. 👍👍

[@thestudentsofscience2660]

wow, is it possible to get thresh on any of the pale heart weapons?

[@IronworkerGaming]

I though the same exact thing, and unfortunately I didn't see it in any of the perk listings.👍👍

[@mrlownly8446]

Welp, i guess i got a new build to use...

[@IronworkerGaming]

Hope you enjoy it! 👍🍻

[@z_royal_beatz_z6407]

Two tailed fox will get fixed!

[@Samsonfs]

The only reason why it was useful is because of the facet of command having no cooldown by accident, even if it works with surges it won't ever be good again now.

[@IronworkerGaming]

It was great see that the Surge Mods not working were acknowledged by Bungie, but I'll always long for the days when Facet of Command gave it infinite instant reloads! 😂🍻

[@z_royal_beatz_z6407]

@@Samsonfs Ahhh right

[@mayedalshamsi]

Is this with t10 intellect, or it doesn't matter?

[@IronworkerGaming]

Every one of the tests was done at T5 Intellect. 👍👍

[@mayedalshamsi]

@@IronworkerGaming - Amazing. Going to put this build together right now, thank you. I wonder if any of the Dealer's Choice weapons can roll with Thresh. Would be overkill, even worse than it is now. 😂

[@jrjoker7135]

Does it react with kinect weapons to or no

[@IronworkerGaming]

Unfortunately it does not. They do need to have an elemental damage type linked to your Super. If you had a Kinetic with Osmosis though, that would do the trick. 👍🍻

[@jrjoker7135]

@@IronworkerGaming awesome thank you for the heads up now time to go looking in my vault

[@anashlal9238]

how to get this exotic ?

[@IronworkerGaming]

@@anashlal9238 It is just a random exotic drop. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@heavymetallabrat]

What happened to two tail fox?

[@NEWGHOST9]

The one fragment made it auto reload on every single shot cuz it reloaded on freeze and supress, two tailed fox supresses.. they added a cooldown to said fragment’s auto reloading

[@thetruellamaman4543]

Not just any cooldown. An 11 second cooldown. Should’ve been like 7 or 9 seconds imo

[@IronworkerGaming]

The 11 second cooldown on Facet of Command hurt my heart! 😂 At least the Surge Mods not working has been acknowledged by Bungie! 😁👍

[@neske7143]

How to get MoBH these days?

[@IronworkerGaming]

It's still just a random drop. To the best of my knowledge, there is no deterministic way of getting your hands on it. 👍👍

[@neske7143]

@@IronworkerGaming Thank you kind Sir!

[@joshuanovakowski8293]

As a warlock main, the exotic is mid at best in pve and down right terrible in pvp. It lost 10% stackable damage because bungie had this hair balled scheme that surges needed to be intrinsic on some exotics. All this exotic is the thresh perk on armor. A complete waste of an exotic slot.

[@richasaurusrex2890]

Use your super and have fun in the games sandbox instead of being miserable all the time.