Is A Bigger Battery Better? | 900 Vs 700 Wh What's The Difference?

[@embn]

Do you think bigger is better when it comes to battery sizing? What do you think is your ideal battery size? Let the community know 👇

[@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v]

I went from a 500 to a 625 on my 2020 Stance E2 and increased range other than that the bike felt the same it doesn't seem to handle different so really the only downside was the cost. I want to put a bigger battery in my 2022 Reign as in more power without very much weight or size increase. When we can ride all day in full power mode regardless of terrain and not make battery weigh to much then we're talking!

[@chassdesk]

Towing a trailer with a kid yep bigger is better more turbo miles

[@chrismade123]

500

[@niel022]

dream bike!

[@JamesRobertMTB]

Bigger battery all day. More exploring!

[@embn]

For sure! Great for those huge epic adventures!

[@quitemountainous2528]

Guys, if you use kilometres to tell us the range, it only makes sense you use metres to tell us how far you can climb not feet! It is completely illogical, please go one way or another, not both.

[@drewjonespdx]

They don’t have to do anything they don’t wanna do

[@lukeh7854]

Lol welcome to the UK 😂 that’s just how we do things here! Miles per hour for speed, feet and inches for elevation and stones and pounds for weight, but also kilograms and grams depending on how old you are 😂😂 km/h seems only to be used for cycling really, so you’re lucky you even got that 😂

[@quitemountainous2528]

@@lukeh7854 lol, yeah, it is a really confusing mish-mash here in UK, it is quite frustrating!🤦 This is just lazy, am I wrong to expect some sort of standards?🤣

[@quitemountainous2528]

@@drewjonespdx Lol, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, thank you for your constructive comment Captain Obvious🤣🤣🤣

[@drewjonespdx]

@@quitemountainous2528 lol that’s what I’m here for

[@jamesw1791]

Rider weight is the biggest Factor in what battery size you should consider hands down. If you were are over 200 lbs, the 720 battery is not going to get 5200 feet of climbing. I personally have a Santa Cruz Heckler with a 720 watt hour battery and I'm a rider around over 200 lbs and I average between 3400 ft of climbing in trail mode. I generally ride my ebike in Rocky techy Terrain. I see the figures that these bike companies are coming up with and I don't think they consider a person over 200 lbs. They don't really consider people over 200 lb in bike clothing either. But that's a whole different other subject. The Bike Company standards probably are considering somebody between 150 and 175 lb. If you want to ride your bike in Trail mode the whole time like I do the 900 watt battery would be sufficient if you are over 200 lbs. Also something to consider, the Shimano EPA motor versus the Bros motor on the specialized Turbo levo is not as efficient in my mind I have both bikes. I feel like the Shimano EPA chews through batteries pretty intensely as opposed to the specialized Bros set up. Just my opinion.

[@pauld5212]

Another really interesting article Steve. My preference would always be for a larger battery, as it means less range anxiety, plus more fun. Also believe a larger battery has potential for greater life span, as less charges for same mileage? Are we now in a position with the EP8 motor, that a single charge will outlast the motor! 😁😁😁 Bosch, all the way for me!

[@rod2emmaus]

More battery 🔋 🔋 more riding! more fun! We need 1500w battery 😎

[@romansenger2322]

*wh

[@Spitoasa]

@@romansenger2322 h*

[@brianthompson1045]

Haha Steve, I’m not used to you sounding tired out! This is the type of riding I do a lot of. Coming home 4-5 hrs later just whipped. Lol. I liked the real feel of this video. I got a real sense of the endurance aspect of riding a big battery out.

[@matthewlaw8268]

Is that blood at 5:10 ?

[@ashpunting]

it feels good to ride with out battery anxiety Lurking in the back of your mind 😊

[@embn]

Haha! 100% agree! 😂

[@Birdpoo777]

It all comes down to range range range; I wish these companies would figure this out; give the option of stacking removable batteries, etc etc etc

[@chassdesk]

Zero range anxiety with the 900wh 😂 I love mine

[@otm646]

Please fix the title. It's watt hours, not watts. You are measuring the capacity of the battery and not instantaneous power.

[@embn]

You're right, it's been fixed Donald, we were tring to keep the 'Watts the difference' and it wasn't working

[@razorree]

what a test.... 70W from the rider and 200% support, ok, good for MAMILs ... what about range and elevation on eco mode (for big day out) with rider's output 150-200W - normal fit person.

[@Eduardoramundo]

I am calling Bullsh1t on that bike weight. Show it on the scales!

[@Tony_P]

I'd believe it. I also wouldn't be surprised to see these bikes failing in a relatively short time. Canyon must have designed everything close to the limit of durability within the warranty period. Otherwise there would be more bikes at this spec / weight range to choose from. Canyon design engineers don't possess magical powers !

[@jonthecont]

@@Tony_P yes it makes you wonder what sacrifices are made to make it so light

[@clensmedia6514]

Hi Steve, I love your comment re the weight off the bike is not the limitation but the geometry and how it is tuned is more important. I agree I have a Scott Genius eRide 920 which comes in at 27 Kg but I find it a joy to ride even in some of the most difficult terrain and it is playful no doubt about it, just one fun bike. Great video as usual keep up the great content, love your work. Cliff

[@Rauschel]

please do the next time a timeline for the results or maybe at the end an chart for the better comparison :) . But i like the battery size . I drive a bike with 720 wh battery and will definitely test the 900 Wh battery when I get a chance.

[@Advcrazy]

So how are e-trail bikes like the spectral:on if you have to ride say 25km each way to get to and from the trails? Are they ok on the road and gravel roads? I’m guessing it’s easy enough to cruise along at 25kph yeah?

[@aheli]

Do Canyon offer to buy a spare battery?

[@bradsanders6954]

Now that Ive had the Spectral ON CF8 for a good while, a lot can be done on these bikes. I did a 55 mile ride with 4000' of climb, and got home with 3/5 of the battery left, a full 3 bars left. I used ECO mode a lot, and could still hit 17mph on flat sections, and kept it spun up climbing all the time. Im thinking 80 miles or more could be done. I use it for all kinds of rides, never have to worry about conserving the battery. Trail mode works great almost all the time on a normal ride. With a 900 WH battery the bike can be a big mountain trip bike, or a play bike. With minimal set up it can be flung around on all sorts of trails. 1 friend has the light motor/light battery Trek. Hes the one pedaling out with no battery left routinely, it just wont do it. 16 miles can be too far on a very average ride.

[@stephenhislop4864]

Technology is getting better and better. Software programming, size of motors (Weight) and torque. We are getting more watt hours per weight of battery. How much torque can we utilise? Power-to-weight and geometry.

[@victorbooth2453]

Followed my Son on his road bike last summer up the Tourmalet in the Pyrenees, with a 625 watt battery, I’m about 105 kilos and not particularly fit, from accommodation to the base of climb was approximately 10 miles , just about skanked getting to the top which I think is 7000 feet off one battery. Was fooked when I got there as had to have it in lowest setting to save battery. Battery just about packed up at the summit, but fortunately there was a forty minute decent on the other side ! Much kudos to all the girls and guys who can manage those sort of climbs without electrical assistance! , I applaud them all.

[@danielheller1285]

Hi Steve, I am thinking of buying a spectral, I am unsure of the size. The bike in your test is an xl. How tall are you? Thanks

[@captainkette3411]

No one needs Bigger an heavier Batterys. But lighter an powerfull batterys is what we all need! An by the way mor affordable bikes

[@markporter8087]

I really think 700wh is fine, but on the levo its too big and heavy to carry, better 2x 500 that are much much smaller and lighter for a full day out… :-)

[@robgoffroad]

How much lighter is the 500w compared to the 700w? I have the 500w on mine but of course want the 700w.

[@danielnichol144]

@@robgoffroad Barely any lighter at all, the 700w is 680 grams heavier than the 500w.

[@robgoffroad]

@@danielnichol144 That's what I figured. Now to find a deal on a 700w...

[@robhaskins3068]

I recently made a bracket to slip in my spare shimano 500wh external battery under the downtube on my 2018 Merida E160. Gives me the option of 1000wh if exploring and lighter 500wh for blasting. Weight is really low and has good ground clearance and tyre clearance under full fork compression. Works well for me as I am nearly back to my birth weight at 61kg 😁.E=Mtb²

[@embn]

Sounds like a great setup, Rob! Having a spare battery is such a game changer!

[@robhaskins3068]

@@embn Luckily the short compact Shimano external battery can be mounted forward and low probably making the bike feel even more planted but my 700wh levo usually has enough range. My 61kg bodyweight also probably gives me 20% more range over a 90kg rider but a 90kg+ rider just rolls away from me on downhill flow and rock gardens. E=Mtb²

[@issesund]

Hey Emtb! Could you please do a specific emtb suspension video telling what we should search for when we looking to upgrade? Emtb suspension seems very tricky to me.

[@Rabe1907]

500 wh is enough ! Make sport, do not sleep ! 😁

[@antoine20008]

Nice quality video. We get all we need. Thanks to your progress, your accent is clearer for non mother language english listeners.

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

I only ride in Turbo, what about us 15 stone lard arses.

[@tonygee3284]

Pretty sure a 700 battery would be enough for me. nice bike

[@Extremegaz25]

Excellent bike, how they've keep the weight down, just shows what can be achievable.

[@scottamolinari]

Some people complain about the sound coming from the Bosch motor (and other motors like the EP8), but I find it like a tool to find the best pedal cadence/ gear. When the motor hits a certain pitch, it seems to give the best support and so I use that to find the right gear for the climb and also still exert my power better too. So, I like the sound as feedback. Anyone else think the same way?

[@z33r0now3]

Good point. Thought about it, because mostly it happens unconsciously. Think you’re right there. I’m on a Bosch and really don’t care about the motor noise but do care about having the right cadence. How do people handle the noise of their car engines?

[@humzilla707]

Same here. Trying get all I can at 220lbs on 540wh yt. I usually have a slow cadence on long climbs but the e bike begs for higher spin and is more rewarding getting to the top lol.

[@betttina33333]

Brilliant

[@trailnomade]

Is the limitation of stearing very bad?

[@timothybridges7023]

Not just different tops but different bikes.

[@steve315r]

How did it size up? Was it an XL tested? I have a medium on order but tempted to go Large,I'm 181cm

[@lakaldrak]

I Ride 480 reach With 178

[@superpaulsuper]

How much is it in meters? Not in body parts

[@optimoespacio]

Managed 5666ft and 26 miles on turbo and emtb on my 625 battery wish I had just another little bit more to avoid the range anxiety I had with 1500 foot of climbing to go to the end…

[@dmatteo1609]

How on earth did you manage that? I can get 4000ft and around 26 miles. That's useing combination of eco, tour and Emtb but no turbo. That's at my local trail centre. I could probably get 4,500 ft if I was to drain battery completely.

[@andrextr]

Would it be nice to put metric units for climbing and range units 👍

[@superpaulsuper]

I m not comfortable with body parts either How many arms are in a meter?

[@romansenger2322]

Ask a brit about their height and they start blabbering about their feet. Strange folks.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

I can't believe this is still being discussed, a bigger battery is always better, the only down side is cost, but these bike companies are already ripping customers off so I doubt a few hundred quid more would be a deal breaker. There's plenty out there to pay these daft prices for bicycles , and a bit more wouldn't stop them.

[@embn]

Hey Anthony! A bigger battery affects not just the price, but the centre of gravity and weight of the bike. The option you choose really depends on the type of riding you do. 👍

[@bobpoor6348]

Difference according to my maths is 39wh/mi for the 720 and 33wh/mi for the 900. Which is a bit odd actually as one would think the lighter bike would hold an advantage?

[@Vectorebike]

take into account internal resistance losses in smaller battery thez are higher.

[@razorree]

so the difference between smaller and bigger batteries is about 900g. Can you feel that difference? I bet you can, especially that all that extra weight is close to your head tube ? any thoughts ? :)

[@motoresruedas7357]

I'm wonder if I can swap my 500 bosch battery for 600 keeping the same size. I use a trek powerfly 7 lt

[@Benjamin_Jehne]

The battery replacement is so stupid. 🤦‍♂️

[@dukemasters6829]

Really need to do a test on eco mode as most of the time people aren’t using boost mode all the time and I’d be disappointed on the mileage that you achieved try doing a test where you can eke out the most mileage .

[@thatmidlifevlogger4463]

Am I the only one who asks himself why there are 2 different bikes used in the video ? One with factory (golden) fork and the other with black fork

[@ArturTrzop]

Is there any bigger battery replacement for Shimano BT-E8036 (630Wh) for bikes like eONE Sixty 8000? Thanks.

[@bradsanders6954]

Im used to "really light" 230 lb dirtbikes on tight singletrack, 50 lb bicycle doesnt sound heavy.

[@Arkane117]

Anyone tried the Spectral On with both the 720 and 900 battery? Is the weight difference noticeable enough to get the 720? ..or is it not that noticeable and should just get the 900?

[@powskier]

The heavier rider should be able to put out more power unless he's just heavy from fat. I'm a bigger person and when I go regular mountain biking with shorter, lighter people, they generally pedal in the lowest 3 gears while I'm pedaling more in the middle of the cassette and never use the granny gear

[@mikeyjack74]

I just got a new YT Decoy Mx. I haven’t done long enough rides to worry about range but I definitely want to get the 720 battery when I can actually afford one and when they are available.

[@michael48742]

I just don’t understand the huge battery craze. My wife has a fezzari wire peak she absolutely loves. We live in Colorado and ride in the Rockies every chance we get. We go on two rides before I need to charge her 500 mah battery paired with the shimano ep8. She uses boost for climbs and trail setting for everything else. Our rides are 10-15 miles per outing. Are people wanting to ride 100 miles on an outing?

[@shaunkane9462]

My main reason for not getting an EMTB is range, I would love one but regularly do 35 plus rides. The main reason for wanting an ebike would be to extend my range and battery's arnt quite there yet

[@dieseldan1]

Your wife must be very small. I'm 200lbs geared up and ride the front range often, almost always in trail mode. My 504wh battery on an E8000 motor will only manage 20 miles and 3kft vert.

[@daisydela]

I would not even bother getting on the bike for a 10-15 mile ride! We regularly ride 9-15 miles on the pavement to get to trails, ride 2- hours, then ride home.

[@shaneward4065]

great test, how do you think this bike would feel with a 160mm fork

[@thim8009]

For me I would want a bigger battery, unless it effects my fly time on the bike. I like short chainstays so I can pop the front up easier. If the 900 throws it out of balance then 700.

[@knightstemplar6243]

I’ve got a 400wh battery on my giant fathom e3. I can get about 40 miles on one ride before it need a charge

[@paulkearsley9509]

So kilometres and feet, what next pints and litters

[@dewindoethdwl2798]

“Bigger is always better”, said the actress to the bishop 😆

[@OutdoorFreedomDk]

NO BIKE FOR GENERAL PEOPLE WITH COMMON INCOME

[@cedricmathieucm]

thanks, super video

[@MarkButterworth13]

Where was the comparison?

[@Acceleronics]

Battery size is a bit like comparing cars based on the size of the gas (petrol) tank. Battery size should be matched to the motor current draw and the intended use of the bike. What I want is a bike that accepts a wide range of battery sizes and a manufacturer that lets me pick which sizes I want to come with my bike. e.g. 250, 500, 750.

[@shannonhoyle7432]

Norco bikes do just that

[@soundwave6769]

do not buy shitmano motors they are unserviceable unfixable crap and out of warranty expect you to just buy a new one for £900 and throw the old one in the bin not even the ebike motor centere will touch any shitmano motors.

[@chassdesk]

4K miles almost on my e8000 no problems

[@markusilomaki8922]

You can put a 630wh battery on the original SpectralON and with the less power hungry E8000 get close to similar results, maybe we have not come so far yet 😀

[@lukeh7854]

Not on full boost/turbo mode though?

[@Syntax1963]

Some also have to consider that you rode the 900 watt/h battery as your second option, which means you had already weakened in your physical power, so that brings us to less support of the driver towards the end number regarding the reached final elevation, actually on all numbers it makes a difference! (mileage, elevation, time)... this has to be considered to...

[@romansenger2322]

There is no such thing as watt/h. Its wh.

[@stephenbrown5844]

Fantastic Steve, really enjoyed the programme 😁👌🇬🇧❤️

[@embn]

Glad you enjoyed it Stephen!

[@jean-marcvienne]

I like this bike

[@rainerschulke]

504WH

[@chrismade123]

pleaaee stop non metrik talk or at least tell high in meters too

[@MsPaulsf]

its not that hard to work out

[@nickpearce1937]

200

[@AmvC]

would love to know how much damage that full power ride did to the chain and cassette.

[@MsPaulsf]

my haibike has 120 nm my chain and cassette last just fine

[@AmvC]

@@MsPaulsf my cube as well, in my riding conditions. It'd still be interesting to see how they faire in absolute abuse.

[@kevinjones7732]

This bigger better battery strategy needs to stop. Batteries can only go so big. Battery technology needs to advance along with regen braking to charge the battery during a ride.

[@romansenger2322]

No it doesnt. Speak for yourself.

[@kevinjones7732]

@@romansenger2322 well articulated comment. Cluless.

[@55mblindy]

A lot more 🪫🪫🪫

[@downhilldick]

Great video, very informative, thanks! 👍🏻

[@embn]

Thanks for the support, Richard! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@phantombigballs8165]

Bosch or EP8 i cant decide.. anyone ridden both.....honest opinions please