Is a Nord for Worship THIS controversial?!

[@adamcoe9612]

Glad you guys made both of these videos. I do think a lot of churches look at music videos from “Christian pop songs”, see a nord, and think this is it. We need to sing these songs, this exact way, using the same exact gear. It’ll be great. But in reality, it couldn’t be further from the truth. Every worship team, every church has a different context and should not seek to BE or sound ANYTHING OTHER than what God has for them to be like and sound like. If your churches context and budget is an SL88, amen. Use it. My gear: 1 Arturia Keylab 88 MK2 1 PC, running ableton live 11 suite. Sunday keys for tonics, Roland cloud for Roland VST synths. Korg M1/Korg Wavestation VSTs for pads. Pianoteq 8 Steinway D for grand pianos/Rhodes/Wurly/CP80 Hanon B70 for B3 Less is more.

[@carystebner3052]

$400 M88 and Sunday Sounds and I'm set.

[@PreparelikeJoseph]

With sunday sounds we only need a midi controller but yet I used a nord 3

[@WoLichtkeinedunkelheit]

I use nord sounds in combination with Sunday keys, it's an incredible sound to mix both, white Grand + sk Felt + pads incredible when you tune it. I don't use nord stage but Nord Electro 6 . these sounds are incredible together ;)

[@MrAndy91486]

I wouldn't mind a nord keyboard 🎹🎹 but I love my Yamaha YC 88

[@shannontrail4092]

My "winter" church has a Nord Piano 5... I used my Studiologic Numa X 73 instead, sound crew and MD like it's sound capabilities and interface better than the red one

[@heartni4741]

Superb B3 patch which blends well with great piano. A variety of very usable string and voice patches. While I do use all of those layers along with additional software instruments, the Nord itself is a fairly complete worship resource.

[@redinator9896]

Roland Juno DS is versatile and good. I use it with the factory piano and perc organ, and mix with Sunday Keys using its MIDI output. 👍

[@Timber1205]

"My help comes from the Nord"😂😂😂😂😂

[@A106]

If you don’t know how to take time in using the Nord properly, then honestly, don’t buy one. I tried a CP88, and honestly, thats good enough for many people. I myself, love my Nord, but it just comes down to how well do I respect a keyboard. If you keep loading up Royal Grand 3D… I don’t know what else to tell you lol. Tbh, I’ve seen wayyy too many churches use the Nord, and make it sound so horrible. You just have to take time in working on it, only then will you be able to master such a keyboard. But like I said before, get a CP88, or a Fantom. Or even a used Kronos is really awesome.

[@JaredHumphers]

^perfectly said! They’re amazing keyboards with great sounds IMO, but I don’t think a lot of churches, people, or groups use them to their fullest ability and because of that, it’s hard to justify that price tag when other keyboards would be perfectly fine (and not put as big of a dent in their budgets). I personally, love my Stage 3 and am learning how to use it all, but it wouldn’t be my first suggestion to, say, churches on a strict or lower budget. It’s very much a complete instrument, but it’s not for everyone.

[@A106]

@@JaredHumphersMan I get so mad when I hear just the Royal Grand 3D. Like why dont u have variety….

[@tonylancer7367]

@@A106Do I have a story for you with the “Power Grand”…

[@raincells]

CP88 is more affordable and a great option. Great key bed and samples.

[@A106]

@@tonylancer7367Atleast it has a different name… lol

[@ArthurPrince03]

Our church has a montage 8. Too bad we don't know how to use it and the community online is almost so sparse we cant find tutorials. Only reason I want to sell montage 8 for a nord is because of the millions of community in the internet. Very useful for amateurs volunteers to learn.

[@warrenroberts1912]

There's a ton of users out there. Look for gospel forums. Yamaha is the preferred board for gospel musicians.

[@A106]

I’m an NS3 user, but I have heard that board is really nice. I like Yamaha’s synths especially, they really are nice. You can play those Israel Houghton songs so well if you are the synth guy.

[@jakeperl5857]

The Nord's (Stage 2) keybed is nice, but inferior to the Privia 5000 I use at home. Its piano sounds are really good (for a hardware synth), but don't come anywhere near the VSL Synchron CFX I use the Nord to control. This being said, the one consideration I haven't seen talked about a lot, and which I'd bet is really the NUMBER 1 consideration for most guitar-strumming worship directors and MDs if they were honest enough to admit it, is simply how hot it looks (or did look before it got so trendy) on the platform!

[@tonylancer7367]

Nords are great but it’s interesting that as much as we have a variety choice of piano sounds, we still want the Royal Grand 3D. It cuts through the mix though.

[@A106]

Ehh. I tend to like White Grand lot more. With EQ more at the mids, it gives more presence compared to the RG3D. Just my opinion. But all in all, you have to go stereo on Nord always in order for it to cut through the mix very well. Any piano sound will be fine.

[@idamusicworld]

My church has a Nord 4. but we always just use one setting, that is Royal Grand Piano+ Warm pad. And I think that we just can't make good use of it since our skills are not at a very high level. 😅

[@A106]

@@idamusicworldYou should try White Grand. It tends to give more a presence. Also, if one of your musicians has time, they should take the Nord home, and mess around with it. If you want to actually learn it, then you should definitely understand the board. Plus, it really isn’t that hard to learn the Piano and Organ Engine/rest of the effects either. The only hard thing about it, is the Synth engine, in which lot of Moog, and other synth players will understand better. Watch some youtube videos online, for a better understanding. If you have the passion for music, then it shouldn’t be a problem, and if you don’t, well dunno what to tell you.

[@ObtuseRhombus]

Its a trend, just like anything else in the worship scene. The red is distinctive, and everyone wants to be like everybody else 😂

[@jonathyncarter]

Software is definitely the way to go if you want that modern day "worship" sound. At the end of the day the best or most ideal way to approach the software route is to have redundancy in your setup incase your Macbook or iPad fails. The way I see it having a Nord offers some of the best if not the best library of piano samples for an "onboard sound module" device that caters to that modern "worship" sound with the added ability to create, purchase and install nice warm pads on to it that fit the ambient side of that modern "worship" sound, making it the best fail safe to switch to or already have mixed in with your software sounds should your Mac or iPad fail. You can still maintain a quality sound for your worship experiences.

[@yungifez]

I just want any piano i can get

[@TravisSchaeferTexasStormChaser]

Lol That comment thread shows the essence of avg modern Christians now days, where the only thing that they agree on is disagreeing. I saw in my mind the comments are like watching a revolutionary war scene ( Ready ,line up , fire!). I like Nords from what I have seen and heard. Your videos changed me from buying $5k Korg Pa5x to your app and using my Kronos for now as a midi controller. Just waiting on the new ipad to arrive. One thing to remember with a Nord, if your ipad battery fails on sunday morning (from experience), the Nord has your back with built in hardware array of effects at ease, just saying to those who disapprove of it.

[@A106]

Man thats a good choice on keeping the Kronos. That thing is golden. I don’t know if you said this or not, but don’t always use the Kronos as a MIDI controller because you still got some nice sounds in there. I have heard the new Pa5x, isn’t really like a wow factor, and many bugs. Korgs product have been going down in quality. I have a Korg, and I think that also should be made with quality materials.

[@MrRichard1280]

Don't you just love people? They are so entertaining. 🙂

[@marclewism]

Where the nord is, The lord is😂

[@logicalpolice]

The Nord Stage is killer, but I can't justify the current price. If I was gigging all the time, it would be a no-brainer. It has everything I need, is easy to dial in, and is light weight. However, at almost $7kCAN after taxes, I can buy lots of nice gear.

[@markharrell]

We buy all kinds of things based on psychological reasons. Here are a few emotional appeals, social influence, self-expression, perceived value, urgency, psychological triggers, problem solving, etc. These can sometimes cloud our rational thinking.

[@Dadee3]

*Agree. Except in this case, Nord boards aren't all bark, they've got bite.*

[@markharrell]

@Dadee3 I have never used a Nord, so I can't say. However, I was just pointing out the psychology of purchases. For example, people seem to really like Apple, I have apple products, but many people are purchasing for the reasons above. I would much rather purchase/use a PC. It is cheaper, more powerful, and gets the job done. It may not be more stable...🙃 I use Mac only based on the fact that I have to for software options we use. But I am sure a Nord is great, but so is the $300 midi keyboard with Sunday keys.

[@A106]

@@markharrellDid you get the Arturia as your midi controller?

[@markharrell]

@@A106 yes we did

[@A106]

@@markharrell yea those are nice

[@agotwols]

I have TWO vintage Korg N1's!! Still going strong!! Considering these were released in 1998 and I graduated high school in 1993.... these are workhorses from my generation. Having said that, there are plenty of great workstations and stage pianos out there at a fraction of a Nord. Is Nord the new "Korg"?? Hmmmmmmm...... 🤔

[@jjmonty8090]

To those whose main complaint is price…I was watching a review video for the stage 4 “vs” and they mentioned price as well. On the fly the gentleman said that he paid 2k for the best keyboard in I forget what year. He then did a price comparison, adjusting for time and inflation and guess what price that same keyboard would cost today? You guessed it, around $6500. BTW, I just bought a stage 4 from Sam Ash with a 20% discount of $1,140. Jumped on that for $4500.

[@djorlando57]

Hey there, David and Team! Wow, I didn’t see the Nord video then he with some other things lately, that’s pretty wild that you got all that feedback and intense opinions! The one thing that I miss on my 88 keyboard is aftertouch, what I’ve done is use our churches, Nord, or other churches that I play at for Worship Support Network and the Leslie fast and slow rotary on aftertouch, which is totally awesome being an organist originally, on the Hammond B3, having aftertouch to change the Leslie speed phenomenal! So I’m thinking of trading in my curves, while 88 key For another keyboard, and I was considering the nord stage two use just so I could get that aftertouch. QUESTION 1 Does the keyboard the you’re using on your videos have after touch? I got how many pounds it is because I may just want to use the controller. lastly, great job in allowing us to add and use the plug-ins to send keys app, it now I can use the VB three, and the mini Moog , I just wish I could use the Mellotron. QUESTION 2: any news on the pitch bend? Still plan for Sunday Keys? I love to play violin on the keyboard, but just can’t realistically without pitch bend! , I hope to see you at NAMM sometime and I’ll see you at worship innovators I’m sure,God bless!

[@JasonPhipps]

Violin on a keyboard?? You need a ROLI Seaboard. Amazing!!

[@loulo204]

I upgraded after many years to a Nord from a Yamaha DGX 640, there’s nothing wrong with having a Nord, is it for everybody… No. I play for my church as a volunteer and i like to take my personal keyboard. My church is small and definitely can’t afford an expensive keyboard, but i do agree that 99% of the time expensive keyboards for church isn’t a need and can be overrated when the pianist only uses a pad and piano. But i do love those nord piano samples.

[@chrisw1462]

Did you take the video down??? It's not in your channel list.

[@dwsel]

Look for: why every church wants red keyboard

[@ShanesQueenSite]

I'm not a worship based player but I once had the misfortune to be allocated a Nord Stage 2 for a gig in Miami. It was the most stressful and uncomfortable gig I have played with this band. The Nord was clunky, unintuitive and hard to navigate ... however it did sound amazing but I am someone who loves fluidity when playing, especially if I need to switch quickly between patches, and the Nord was not that. I use a Korg Kronos as my main keys and I now have a "NO NORD" markup on my Tech Rider.

[@curious011]

The Nord can be cumbersome. Not as hard as a workstation but it has it's quirks. I've done the controller thing with pianoteq or a mainstage template and it's ok. certainly it's popular, like Nords, and they are everywhere. I'm not sure if the mainstage and ableton things will go on forever or not. Hardware workstations were really hard to program in years past but now some pretty much work just like mainstage and have great built in sound and are expandable. you can literally grab faders and push up a mod wheel just like on controllers with mainstage without the need for backups and jus the fear you feel on stage sometimes. Arrange your scenes, push up the volume and play and its'probably 80% there. Piano sounds are continuing to get better, not Keyscape yet but much fuller and come up instantly. I just prefer that now and I've seen a lot of people keeping Mainstage but going with a cheaper workstation and using the sounds inside.

[@safmyk1]

Oh my I laughed so loud at the comments. So nordy 😂 touch and feel is important if you don’t use the internal sounds because you use MainStage etc. I love my Roland RD2000. Amazing sounds too but I wish it was easier to program. It really is clunky. Too many buttons that make no logical sense.

[@OffGridandOutdoors]

Casio ... that's My Jams

[@payoskeys5204]

The Roland Fantom 8 definitely

[@jonbecker3561]

People are entertaining! As a former church tech director, I always hoped people would spend more time learning their instrument than chasing the new shiny (or Red) thing. If a keyboard is a Nord, Yamaha, Roland, or even Sunday Keys rig, it really doesn't matter and won't perform to the potential without a little time invested to understand it. Replace a Roland you don't know with a Nord (or whatever) you don't know and now you have two things you don't know. Not the best stewardship...

[@togelz]

Tbh i don't hate Nord,...i hate the price of Nord lol

[@felixayala05]

Tried a Nord Stage at GC. Not impressed. They sure look nice on videos though. 😂 No keyboard is better than a controller w Pianoteq imo.

[@foljs5858]

Except if you need convenience, portability, direct access to params, and lots of other things

[@curious011]

I love pianoteq as well. GREAT sound. But I think that some things edge it out especially if you get really into sound design and need a lot of patches in a set. You can do it all in Mainstage but the setup is not fast. sometimes the new Roland Fantom O 88 is better live. has faders, 16 sounds in one scene, and quick editing with all the knobs and the touchscreen. I can make a patch on it pretty fast, add it to a scene and integrate it in just a few minutes. Or I can set up click and arpeggiators just like Mainstage. It many indeed not sound quite as rich but our congregation will not even know it (unless they design sounds, LOL)

[@maikelsuayero8566]

People brothers and sisters what is the problem if worshipers buy Nord 😕if they have the money just buy one and that is it

[@curious011]

There isn't an issue. Depends on why they want one. If it's all they need and they love it, fair enough. My worship friends buy them because they saw other playing them. I think that's what we do a lot of times. Back in the early 2000s everyone bought a Triton because everyone played a Triton. That's just how we humans do things.

[@A106]

@@curious011Wasn’t it Motifs?

[@billcastellon2067]

I bought a $1k Roland 88key and the piano sound is wayyy better than the nord.

[@Jvaldes609]

😂😂😂 just getting my 🍿ready

[@agotwols]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ICannotBelieveIAmHere]

Just play what feels best and is within your budget. I use a *relatively* inexpensive Roland FP-10 at home (it doesn't even have a mod wheel!) and let all the basics and fancy stuff be controlled through Mainstage + an Akai MPK Mini or Nanokontrol2. Besides, you should really be hiding that tangle of wires and cables poking out from the back of the keyboard at church with some fake ferns and shrubbery anyway - hide the mess, uplift the message!

[@chriswild9941]

good point - David needs to do a video on the best fake ferns and shrubbery for worship!!!

[@chriswild9941]

Nord #1

[@warrenroberts1912]

Nord is the apple of the music Industry. Overpriced nonsense.

[@jjmonty8090]

Ya except apple isn’t only a fad. It’s also good equipment

[@warrenroberts1912]

@@jjmonty8090 nord is also good equipment. But it's nowhere near as good as other things such as Apple is good but not compared with android devices. Literally the same thing lol

[@motownpontiac]

You have to keep in mind that the vast majority of players in a church setting are "piano playing" volunteers. They might touch an organ preset or pad every once in awhile. A 1200 dollar Korg Kross would serve that purpose just fine and sound just as good. The Nord brand (even for it's capabilities) is INSANELY overpriced. You have to consider the knowledge and capabilities of your players.

[@MrRichard1280]

Nord is cheap considering the price of a new Gibson electric guitar these days.

[@failingdisciple938]

Nord, you are more costly than gold

[@calebrabion]

Not overrated, just overpriced.

[@mvilla36]

The Nord is whack has no touchscreen. Korg is king.

[@prosperadebayo5152]

I swearr that's what I feel too. Buh it's their uniqueness

[@A106]

Touchscreens dont give me that analog feel. Plus, I recently got a Korg, and it does not have that kind of quality it used to have. The Korg Kronos though… is definitely the king. Want to play that one day. The others (especially the nautilus) are just plastic, and just bad quality now. Korg used to make good quality products, not sure where their company is going.

[@Dadee3]

*Have fun going through countless menus just to raise the volume on your Korg 😂 😂 😂*

[@mvilla36]

I currently have the KORG OASYS 88 and other M audio controllers

[@Dadee3]

@@mvilla36 *Oh ok! OASYS is a nice board, but that's definitely a studio board, u can't compare that to a stage keyboard AT ALL bruh. The fact that you even made that comparison, lol..*

[@DarioKondratiuk]

Once you play a Nord piano ANY piano coming from a computer will make you cry. ANY PIANO. And the pianos coming from an iPad will make your ears bleed.