Is A PHEV Worth It?

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@user-fj6ey3wl4s 2 күн бұрын

My first step to going electric was a PHEV. I had the Mitsubishi Outlander. I loved everything about it, it was a great car. Back then there were a few free chargers around Tesco, CO-OP, etc. I also paid over the top where ever I could rapid charge, purely to cut down on my polution. I am now a full EV user and take advantage of cheap night tarrifs and soon to go solar too. I love everything about greener living. Keep up the good work Dave.

@rogerphelps9939 2 күн бұрын

The Outlander is notorious for slow charging, low electric range and hogging chargers at the expense of pure EVs.

@kennshearer526 2 күн бұрын

Yep had one myself. Really great car for my many short journeys. Would have bought another one but they stopped selling in the U.K. - shame.

@martinmorgan9 3 сағат бұрын

@@user-fj6ey3wl4s Thanks - that's useful to know.

@MarkJHEllis 2 күн бұрын

In August after four years I handed back my lease BMW 330e PHEV with 51,500 miles, of which 21,500 was electric. I am fortunate I have access to free charging during the week so the cost was minimal. Manufacturer battery range was listed as 37 miles, in the winter this was 15 miles and in the summer 29 miles. The longest i achieved in four years was 40 miles on one charge cruising down the M1 at 60 mph. I found out activating the Battery Control mode recharged the battery whilst driving in petrol mode. On a long journey I could achieve around 40% electric usage. It usually took 40 miles to charge to 80%, which is when I switched back to electric mode. I now have a Tesla model 3 Highlander so 100% electric now.

@peterjones6640 2 күн бұрын

I bought a PHEV eight years ago before changing to a full BEV a year ago. At the time of me buying the PHEV the charging infrastructure was not as developed as it is now, the PHEV was charged overnight at a cheap,rate and most of my journeys were completed mostly on electricity, it was when going on long trips that I needed the petrol engine. At the time there were no BEVs at a suitable price for me to buy. However since the charging infrastructure has developed significantly over those seven years and the choice of BEVs has increased dramatically then when changing the car happy to buy a BEV. Would I buy a PHEV today ? No, the BEV market has developed sufficiently and the charging infrastructure is now,fine.

@Jaw0lf 2 күн бұрын

I have friends that have bought a PHEV and they enjoy being able to do most trips in electric only. But they do regularly tow a trailer, so this is a great option for them. When we find a better solution for towing not affecting the EV's range so much, then more people would be able to go full EV.

@simonforzani2894 2 күн бұрын

I have an EV with 200 miles range and a PHEV 4x4 with 40 miles of range. Currently on 80mpg as mostly used as an electric only car. For me it equally works with my EV. All cars are a choice, as long as we choose what is right for our needs they should be no problems

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

A full EV will work for some, a hybrid will be good for some, and for others pollution aside a diesel or petrol will be better. On the motorway diesel is definitely the best choice. Around town a full EV is the best choice. A hybrid isn't really helpful on the motorway it's basically carrying an electric motor and batteries for no reason.

@martinmorgan9 Күн бұрын

Dave, your video has opened up the discussion brilliantly. This forum provides exactly the what you've advocated - I. E. 'talk to Owners'. What's sad is that people will still choose hybrid company cars for the reduced Benefit in Kind and never actually benefit the environment by plugging them in. 😢

@peterball8241 2 күн бұрын

My EV journey started in 2016, bought second hand Mitsubishi iMiev and Outlander PHEV, both heavily depreciated. Kept the PHEV but upgraded the iMiev to an MG5. PHEV will do most days on electric and the occasional long trip on petrol, MG5 does the rest. I estimate 95% electric use.

@Robotadept Күн бұрын

I had a PHEV for 3 years I feel it was a good stepping stone to full BEV I don’t think after 40 years of ICE cars & vans I would have found going to BEV as easy as I have

@nervousfrog101 2 күн бұрын

The only argument I can see for PHEV is for company car drivers and BIK tax. Buy a PHEV throw the charging cable in the boot and forget about it while saving 25% tax and spewing out just as much pollution as the non hybrid version.

@albertoporras04 2 күн бұрын

The main use case for a PHEV is if you regularly tow large trailers (caravans, horse boxes, etc.) long distances. A combination of current EV ranges when towing big trailers and lack of ultra rapid charging bays designed for "drive through" access make long distance towing a real pain in the backside. Other than that I don't see the point.

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

Sounds like a better case for a diesel. Or just a petrol.

@albertoporras04 Күн бұрын

I'm thinking if you have a PHEV, you can run your small, local, non-towing journeys on battery, but your long towing journeys on fossil fuel.

@kimedwards3937 2 күн бұрын

I have had all three Hyundai Ioniq,s The hybrid was great to drive. The PHEV was good in the summer 30 mile on EV . Winter heating was from petrol engine. EV only you had no heating or when charging. It had charge rate of 3.3kwh. My BEV had heat pump so had heating in winter fast charging and good range. The only Ioniq I regretted was the PHEV. In February I joined the Tesla club with a new model 3. Why I went for Tesla was supercharger network and range.

@MarkHewitt1978 Күн бұрын

Nice. I had the HEV then got the PHEV. I really wanted the EV but 38kWh was just too small; I got an MG4 instead but I would trade it back today for an Ioniq EV with a 64kWh battery.

@foppo100 2 күн бұрын

Drove behind a Hull bus toningt.Thick black smoke from a clapped out engine.That do the kids a lot of good.

@geraldbutler5484 Күн бұрын

5 minutes of hose pipe through the window from a diesel will kill you!

@oliver90owner 2 күн бұрын

Dave, Don’t forget the (no longer in production , so only secondhand) BMW i3 Rex. Large (relatively) electric traction battery that only engages the small petrol engine (that simply charges the traction battery) when the battery charge gets low. Still plenty of good ones still available from reliable sources. Only a small petrol tank to fuel the 600cc engine - but that can be ‘got around’ on the few occasions it might be required.

@DrDave_63395 2 күн бұрын

BIX option almost makes sense IMHO. The small petrol engine runs at optimum speed to efficiently drive a generator. And eliminates the complexity of a gearbox/clutch. With the large battery the owner is incentivised to used electric power for all but the longest trips. When analysing my needs I concluded the 120Ah i3 fitted better than the BIX option.

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

The small petrol engine is only for emergencies. It's more electric than ice though the range is rather small vs the price. But used they are OK.

@DrDave_63395 2 күн бұрын

Dave you’ve hailed it. PHEV only makes sense if can charge at home on a low tariff. But then apart for people regularly doing 200+ journeys the BEV option is better (energy cost and pollution)

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

Phev is good if you never use the engine at all and just charge at home and just pop to the shops a few miles away but then what's the point in having the engine at all

@viljosavolainen2286 Күн бұрын

@@chrishart8548Im considering PHEV. Daily commutes with electricity and family trips with hybrid. I also rarery could use the towing option wich is essentially too limited on ev.

@IanThompson-p2r 23 сағат бұрын

@@chrishart8548because everyone sometime in practice needs to go long distance maybe a family member suddenly falls ill. Then you just want to get there pronto and don’t want to learn a new technology. Makes complete sense to have a PHEV you’re always ready to set off somewhere with no notice without downloading ZapMap etc. By the way I am a full electric owner myself but see a good reason why many people love them who travel local, charge at home but still want ease of mind on the occasional longer trip.

@albertoporras04 Күн бұрын

A correction on your comnents about hybrids. They don't only charge the battery via regen, they also charge the battery directly from the petrol engine. When doing this they sometimes run an Atkinson Cycle, which means they use valve timing to effectively run short induction/compression strokes but long power strokes and so increase the thermodynamic efficiency of the engine (this, along with regen, is how they inprove fuel efficiency). A good idea back in the day Toyota brought out the Prius, but now woefully inefficient compared to BEVs

@pauleast4372 2 күн бұрын

For anyone who has seen what Helene has done, the idea of adding to the atmospheric burden should be an anathema. I worked for a company, several years ago, that supplied staff with PHEVs. The trouble of charging meant that they simply drove in ICE mode all the time. It was money wasted - much as the Teslas that are charged at Shell or BP fast chargers - company car drivers in the UK rarely give a s***t.

@ab-tf5fl 2 күн бұрын

It's important to note that if you buy a PHEV, even if you charge at home every night, you'll be running off gas much more often than you might think. Lots of trips (e.g. 50-200 miles) that a full EV can do on home charging only, a PHEV will run out of battery. PHEVs force you to burn through at least one tank of gas every couple months, even if the battery is always well-charged. Many PHEVs also cheap out and don't provide electric heating, meaning that 100% of your driving in winter will be on gas (and even if the car does have electric heating, the battery won't last as long if it's used).

@JemThomas100 2 күн бұрын

I have 2 chums who have a Toyota Rav 4 PHEV and they both tell me that 85% of their usage is electric. Both can charge at home and both have regular long distance trips to relatives. These cars seem to work for them so unless they are outliers there is a use case. I myself have an 2017 i3 rex and it fit my needs exactly. 90% of my journeys are "electric" but a trip to visit my elderly relatives requires no planning even if I have a low charge (with old folk it is difficult to plan). So PHEVs are not for every one but it is folly to be so absolutist, as long as the trend is toward overall reduction in consumption we are are heading the right direction, and anything that gets us there should be encouraged. Before any of you clutch your pearls I will be replacing my i3 with a full EV when it gets tired, but that may be 5 years hence.

@khas01_earthling 2 күн бұрын

My Scooby in the '90s only went about 170 miles in a full tank before needing more! A 300 mile EV range is great.

@Jaw0lf 2 күн бұрын

People have forgotten that we used to have thirsty cars and smaller fuel tanks!

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

Wow that was bad! I've found a lot of cars that do around 330 miles on a tank. People claim 60mpg but I find 30mpg is more realistic for most vehicles and with 10 litres left when the fuel light comes on. We only have 10 gallons to work with. My EV claims 339 miles. I've seen 371miles predicted once. I think 300 is achievable.

@martinmorgan9 Күн бұрын

What would be really useful on this forum is if EVERY owner stated what vehicle they are giving feedback on. Many do, but many don't, which somewhat devalues their comments, which is a pity!

@rogerphelps9939 2 күн бұрын

Not worth it. Very complicated and apparently most PHEVs are bought for the tax advantages and then always run in ICE mode.

@oliver90owner 2 күн бұрын

Agreed, that a lot were simply purchased for the taxation advantages, but there are other advantages of the plug-in. No tail pipe emissions while running on battery power. A little less CO2 to the atmosphere (although that might be counter-acted by carting around a traction battery and electric motor all its life) and less toxic chemicals emitted when used (particularly relevant in urban areas).

@toyotaprius79 2 күн бұрын

Dont forget all of the company fuel card tax breaks that every ICE and PHEV driver are encouraged to use. Lovely inflation-creating tax breaks.

@rogerphelps9939 2 күн бұрын

@@toyotaprius79 Not inflation creating. Proper EVs greatly reduce the CO2 emissions per mile. It is a scandal that ICE drivers get away with paying a pittance for the environmental damage that they are doing. Youir grandchildren will curse ICEs as rising global mean ttemperatures make life in many oparts of the world very difficult if not untenable.

@gdr38515 22 сағат бұрын

Excellent explanation of the issues without introducing bias. Top marks.

@huwjones5879 2 күн бұрын

Reports of PHEV cars arriving at auctions after the end of the lease with he charging lead still unopened. Bought for BiK and used as a ICE car, never any intention of charging.

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

Often get around 19mpg when driven like that with the 2.5 petrol engine and 2tonne with that electric motor and big battery pack. Bit of a joke really.

@stevebarrett1476 2 күн бұрын

One item not mentioned as a draw back for Hybrids is passenger heating / cooling. In the UK the average UK temperature is only 10 degrees. Hev and phev vehicles still use the engine to heat water to operate the passenger heating and cooling. So on a 5 mile commute in winter the petrol engine will start also it will randomly start to keep the engine warm enough to start at a temperature that is best for efficiency. !!

@kensmith8701 2 күн бұрын

Some have heat pumps and can preheat without the engine running. You can also use the heat pump in ev mode driving

@MarkHewitt1978 Күн бұрын

It is one of the reasons I went EV. Having a petrol engine idling on the drive in the morning to warm the car up.

@stevebarrett1476 Күн бұрын

@@MarkHewitt1978 likewise. Now get heating scheduled whilst plugged in and not impact range.

@dopiaza2006 Күн бұрын

I have a BMW i3. It has 110 mile battery range. It also has a small petrol engine that only charges the battery as you drive, it does not drive the wheels. This means I can drive for as long as I like by topping up the pterol tank once the battery has run out, but it also does over 4 miles per kWh on the motorway. Best of both worlds?

@toyotaprius79 2 күн бұрын

Not all PHEVs are created equal, very much depends on it being series, parallel or series parallel and crucially the driver who knows wtf they're doing. Very much mechanical differences more affected by patent protection (Toyota) The oppertunity to make mass produced PHEVs was killed off when Chevron(Cobysys) enacted an insidiously pathetic patent embargo of NiMH cells in the mid-2000s resulting in the immediate discontinuation of any NiMH cell production over 16.5Ah considering that many EVs at the time used +60Ah while every Toyota/Lexus hybrid uses 6.5Ah. This was referenced to in "Who Killed The Electric Car".

@chrispenn715 2 күн бұрын

PHEV - a car that still needs expensive servicing; oil and filter changes, gearbox service, exhausts etc. whilst also having the weight and complexity of an additional EV system. OK for short trips, but not usually that economical on a long trip...... They had their place once, but now you might as well buy a full EV

@Gazer75 2 күн бұрын

EVs need expensive servicing as well tbh. The dealers know how to make money. I'm going in for "inspection" on my 2020 e-Golf which I have to do to keep the 5 year warranty. Cost me 300£ including a pollen filter replacement. A used car that can't show servicing as the manufacturer advised will be worth a lot less, unless its a very old car with little value.

@chrispenn715 2 күн бұрын

@@Gazer75 Yes - that's a good point with legacy EV makers - they want to milk customers. Doesn't apply to all EVs though - for example, Tesla doesn't have a specific annual service regime......

@VictorGoesElectric 2 күн бұрын

To keep warranty on your 2020 golf the only requirement is to use VAT regitered garage, dosn’t have to be speciffic dealer you purchesed vehicle from. Service on EV usualy takes few minutes to kick all 4 tyres, check your washer fluid and change pollen filter. £100 should be more than enough for great service lika that.

@Gazer75 2 күн бұрын

@@VictorGoesElectric 100 would be the price to just drive it inside the shop. The hourly fee is roughly that. Not much to save going elsewhere around here and the cheap ones are to far away. Being able to drop the car off the day/night before and walk home is a must for me. Only two are within walking distance. Wish I knew exactly what the inspection was. Didn't get a good answer... Apparently they go through everything about the car. Checking for potential problems. Kind of silly as we have to do the bi-annual inspection anyway to keep the car road legal.

@whitleyhead 2 күн бұрын

For myself a PHEV would be perfect, my partner could drive to work, Asda shopping etc on electric charged from home and every month towing our 26ft caravan we have an engine. BEV charging at let’s say Exeter services with a caravan would not only be an insurance nightmare but a pain in the a**e. So my next car will be either another diesel or PHEV.

@silverghini2629 2 күн бұрын

The main issue with PHEV is the smaller fuel tank (due to having to find room to fit elec motor, battery, charge controller, etc). This drops the range to between 200-300 miles - basically the same as for an equivalent EV.

@mupwangle 2 күн бұрын

It depends on the manufacturer. My PHEV petrol tank is 42 litres. My previous petrol car tank was 45 litres. Both have roughly the same range (when fully charged) You do tend to lose space elsewhere though, like there's often very little space under the boot floor whereas the petrol version can take a space-saver spare wheel. Other cars we looked at were SUV size cars with compact sized boots for the same reason. I do agree that some cars have tiny tanks (30L in one) but not all.

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

@@mupwanglewhat was your previous car though sounds fiesta sized if the fuel tank was that small. Large cars like a bmw 5 series or c class Mercedes have a 75 litre tank normally then a 45 litre tank in the hybrid. With around 19 miles electric range

@mupwangle 2 күн бұрын

@@chrishart8548 As I said, it depends on the manufacturer. Ford Mondeo's in the UK were about 50L, Skoda Octavias (which aren't small cars) were 50L. Compared to a normal mid-sized car a PHEV and petrol car have similar range, in most cases, not counting recharging.

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

@@mupwangle wow even the diesel mondeo 2019 has a 60 litre tank vs 51 for the hybrid I didn't realise how much fuel tanks had shrunk.

@MarkHewitt1978 Күн бұрын

Not true. My Ioniq PHEV had a range of 550 miles and that was without charging.

@where_is_mark 2 күн бұрын

Once again I find myself hearing you get this wrong and there are many others out there doing the same. There is this myth that when the battery on a PHEV is empty, it just becomes an ICE car with a heavy dead weight of a battery which simply is not the case. To start with the battery is never allowed to run flat. This is because a PHEV is still a hybrid (a self charging one) just like any other hybrid. So even if you never plug the thing in, the battery is being charged and discharged as you drive along just like a Prius. This is why you can drive a PHEV 300 miles, never plug it in and still get that same 0 to 60 time as when you have a fully charged battery. This is why you can drive 300 miles having not plugged it in yet still at the end of your journey, pull slowly onto on pure electric power. Admittedly many PHEVs have been mis sold either by sales people or journalists not understanding the technology but ultimately, a PHEV is just a hybrid with a larger battery. Plug it in and sure you will get more pure electric miles potentially allowing some low mileage drivers to run almost exclusively on battery alone but as with many things on cars in recent years (such as stop/start on petrol), the goal is to reduce emissions rather than increase MPG (something else that is not mentioned by the sales people). Driven correctly, just like a hybrid, the car will be using the electric motor to augment the petrol engine. An example being when the car pulls away from a standstill. Often this is the time the engine is most polluting as it is working the hardest. So assisting (or even replacing) the petrol lump to get the car up to speed means less pollution. Many London busses use this technology today. A motor is used to pull away from the stop then the engine kicks in after a few seconds. So please Dave, every time I hear describing PHEVs, I cringe. I know you like to do your own research so am amazed you have fallen for the same nonsense so many others have. Does this make buying a PHEV any better? Probably not and I agree with most of what you say but let's get the fundamentals right if we are to speak from a position of authority. It's certainly no worse than buying any other hybrid

@kensmith8701 2 күн бұрын

Plus, the engine running to charge the battery is less polluting than using the engine to drive the wheels directly.

@GruffSillyGoat Күн бұрын

@@kensmith8701 - that depends on the PHEV/HEV setup - series hybrids typically work this way but parallel (or even parallel series) don't. Parallel HEV/PHEVs power the wheels from the ICE directly, and can optionally run the electric motor as a generator to parasitically top up the battery (with reduced ICE range). Series PHEVs tend to be sold as range extenders (REX, REV models etc.) - but the battery size is often quite variable by make/model and may offer under 30 miles range. Take the Kia Niro PHEV for example, this has a double clutch setup to either run the drivetrain off the ICE engine or the electric motor - depending upon driving mode selected (electric, petrol or battery charging). It can also use both clutches engaged with the petrol engine powering the wheels but the motor acting as a generator to charge the battery (in one specific mode). However, even in electric mode it will still use the petrol engine if acccelarating hard (to get more power) or the battery drops below a fixed percentage (to prevent the battery draining to low). The complexity is no PHEV or HEV is the same, even within a single manufacturer, hence buyers have to be more informed and take pains to understand the differences before determining what car works best for them - which is one of Dave's main points in the video. One further point, particularly with HEV, is that they thrash the battery's charging cycle due to their small size and constant operation, the age and mileage of a hybrid car needs to be taken into consideration if aiming to run the car for a number of years (which is why they have short duration warranties) or if purchasing used.

@martinmorgan9 Күн бұрын

Once again, what a brilliant Forum this is. I've learnt more on the last half hour than I have in the last few weeks. Hearing what a vast range of different offerings are available from PHEV manufacturers has made my head hurt! Ignoring the fact that any hybrid still pollute, everyone will have their own take on this - whether to save tax, save the environment or BOTH. I'm still looking forward on our next car purchase to stop using fossil fuels, giving me a 'warm glow' about helping the environment and enjoying the (hopefully) lower servicing and fuelling costs. 😊

@kensmith8701 Күн бұрын

@@GruffSillyGoat, the buyer should always research regardless to the power train. Some PHEV's are better then others as are BEV vehicles. Looking just at range does not mean that you are getting good efficiency. You make very valid points.

@amandafranklin6285 2 күн бұрын

My Mazda MX30 REV gets in excess of 50miles on the battery only, does 4.4miles/kwh and is only had an 8% BIK. I’d love to have got a pure electric, but I can’t easily charge at home. I use Tesco charging when I go shopping once a week, at 44p/kwh, and at the current rate of 4.4miles/kwh is cheaper than petrol. It’s a lovely car and a great compromise option.

@martinmorgan9 Күн бұрын

Thanks for this posting, which points out that for some people, the Mazda. MX30 is a good compromise. Do you have data on the MPG you achieved using the engine alone I wonder? I have looked at the Mazda MX30 because we love the sheer quality of our (beautiful) Mazda 3 diesel and are looking to the future, having just installed solar, but will continue to enjoy it until Mazda make a full BEV.

@amandafranklin6285 Күн бұрын

@@martinmorgan9I reckon its somehwere just below 40mpg - between 36 and 40. And that’s a lot of quite fast motorway driving. And I don’t consider that too bad considering it’s a heavy car with a tiny engine. Some of the reviews have said less than 30mpg, but I really don’t know how they got this!! Some have also said you need to replace the oil all the time, well I’ve done 1300 miles and the oil level is just over half. 600 miles ago it was about 2/3rds, so it’s using oil, but nowhere near what some of the naysayers have stated. I reckon I’ll have a half litre top up at 2500 miles perhaps. Hope that helps.

@MarkHewitt1978 Күн бұрын

A balanced point of view; but just for some clarity if you look at weight if you compare the Ioniq EV 38kWh and the Ioniq PHEV the EV is the heavier car, so the idea of lugging around an engine and fuel doesn't really work. The point about charging at home is entirely right, there's no point if you can't.

@markotrieste 2 күн бұрын

12:07 I have a petrol engine under the bonnet because of a thing called "weekends". My typical weekend trip can be anywhere from 100 to 400 km long, with very few if any charging points at destination (you know, if you leave the car in a remote valley to go hiking, the whole point of getting there is to *not* have human infrastructure in the vicinity). Less we talk if I go skiing, I made a rough calculation, I would need about 70 kWh just to reach the destination (winter, defrost, highway, uphill, and heaven forbid a ski rack on the roof). Throw to that all the times I went to a public charging place to find it ICEd, out of order or already in use. Also, your claim that EV-mode mileage is poor is not confirmed by my experience. I get regularly between 5 and 6 km per kWh. In 10 years, I've covered 100kkm, with an average fuel consumption of less than 3 l/100km, and about 60% of that distance has been covered with electricity from the grid. The only thing I agree with you is that a PHEV is not worth if you are not willing or capable to plug it in daily. However recent propositions from car manufacturers have increased the EV range to 80-100km real and have fast charging too, so really they are poised to become the best of both worlds. Let's not forget that with the battery of one EV one can build 3 to 4 PHEV, if each PHEV can then run 50% of the time on electricity, it's a win for the environment. Here of course governments should force consumers to plug it in, by increasing the charging infrastructure, reducing road side electricity price and forbidding fuel cards for employees that get a PHEV.

@stephenbagwell8275 Күн бұрын

The VW Golf PHEV I had could use the petrol engine to charge the engine but that gave less mpg I would save the battery range to be less polluting when driving in towns or cities

@GeoffSlack 2 күн бұрын

So you agree that if you can charge at home a PHEV makes sense because on short journeys it'll cost buttons and you can take on longer journeys due to the ICE. I charge overnight for less than £1 for 32ish miles range and on a long journey (150ish miles) will get 80+ MPG

@johnkeen2345 Күн бұрын

I had a Ford Kuga PHEV for three years. Luckily, I had a wall charger so it was ideal for me. Range was 25-40 miles electric, but even when the battery was depleted, I could get 55 -60 mpg. PHEV can best of both worlds if it fits your lifestyle and you can charge it home.

@martinmorgan9 Күн бұрын

Wow - up to 80mpg on 'wet' fuel! What car is this?!

@truebrit3670 Күн бұрын

80MPG? Sounds like you've been reading manufacturers' blurb and not actually measuring what you're getting irl. Good to hear a long journey is 150 miles. I can get there and back in one home charge at 1.5p a mile. And I'll do it in comfort.

@ashb8572 Күн бұрын

Same with my phev, I can get 25 to 30 miles with my 2019 Prius and 75mpg on 300+ mile journeys

@GeoffSlack 11 сағат бұрын

@@truebrit3670 Well the fuel receipts and mileage records I have to keep for company records show I have averaged 63mpg over the last 15 months but as long as I charge before a journey I will regularly see over 80 MPG on the trip computer over a journeys. I can't charge all the time as my wife's BEV takes preference. Not entirely sure what the point of your second line is? (I meant to type longish btw) Not many BEV's have a range of 300 miles guess you shelled out for an extended range model? All my journeys are done in comfort so we have that in common..

@stephenbagwell8275 Күн бұрын

In a PHEV I got 300 mpg on a summer 23 mile trip at mostly motorway speeds starting with a full battery and only accelerating using the petrol engine

@kensmith8701 2 күн бұрын

If a plug in is used as designed then they certainly have a place. Pollution from tail pipe emissions are highest in built up areas. Being able to engage in battery only drive when in built up areas hepls reduce tail pipe emissions. Engaging the engine for motorway/rural driving is then resumed. A good phev will use the drive battery most of the time with the engine only being used to keep the hybrid function working. Plus some assistance. They do, if used correctly help reduce emissions.

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

Most people won't use them correctly. And if you never plug it in at all they are much worse.

@davidriches2127 Күн бұрын

When I drive on a motorway I don’t want to be surrounded by vehicles belching out toxic fumes that I am then forced to inhale.

@kensmith8701 Күн бұрын

@davidriches2127 give it 20 years and all will be well.

@kensmith8701 Күн бұрын

@chrishart8548 of course. Some people will do whatever. I am sure most drivers could drive more efficiently but don't.

@kash748 2 күн бұрын

We have had a plug in hybrid (cupra) for the past three years and we plug it in every day and every private owner i know does the same as it makes it so cheap....i dont know anyone who has bought one tho dave who cant charge at home??? Our commute is 20 miles each way so running on ev,charged at home and saved us a fortune. Plus we tow,so it was ideal for that....the full ev will be better though!!

@keithdenton8386 Күн бұрын

The only comfort zone it takes people out of it MONEY. Simple. Moving goods costs a lot by air but it's quick. Trucks are cheap but is slower, rail is quicker but more expensive than trucks. What wins. Trucks. It's all about the money.

@stephenbagwell8275 2 күн бұрын

I found the public charging for PHEVs poor - not enough AC chargers When able to charge at work I got 65mpg over 1700 miles with super unleaded petrol ending in February

@prjackson7802 2 күн бұрын

Great video

@crm114. 2 күн бұрын

PHEVs are the last gasp of legacy auto to hang on to their lucrative servicing cash cow. They make economic sense to very few.

@stuartburns8657 2 күн бұрын

Do BEV's make financial sense if you can't home charge cheaply at night?

@chrishart8548 2 күн бұрын

@stuartburns8657 probably not but neither does a PHEV. I would say just stick with petrol or diesel.

@geraldbutler5484 Күн бұрын

@@chrishart8548If everyone thinks like you the planet for humans is stuffed.

@chrishart8548 Күн бұрын

@@geraldbutler5484 I drive an EV myself. All humans think differently anyway. I'm still working out what to do with my diesel car. Haven't used it since February. Done 18k in the EV since then. Feels like driving a Model T after having an EV

@geraldbutler5484 Күн бұрын

@@chrishart8548 Sorry mate, no offence but so many people have very selfish attitudes. Like the freedom loving Americans with their AK-47’s and noisy,polluting V8’s.

@markbennett6658 2 күн бұрын

The only scenario I see a PHEV of any sort being useful is for trucks doing big miles in big countries with a poorly developed charging infrastructure. Then only the range extender type where the EV battery is quite large and the petrol engine acts as a generator in extremis but the electric motor drives the wheels all the time. Something like the BYD Shark. Dave also suggested with basic hybrid that you get regen when you touch the brake pedal. Surely he means when you lift off the throttle. That’s certainly the case in a Fiat 500 Hybrid which I’ve driven. Also the Peugeot 3008 image he showed was the last generation model not the new one with mild hybrid PHEV & BEV options.

@solentbum 12 сағат бұрын

My BEV works out at 2 pence per mile whan home charged. It covered 2260 miles in Sept for £43. I'll leave you to do the simple costings for yourself.

@barrymurton8988 2 күн бұрын

Plus EVs have low maintenance costs. Just got my smart meters working so looking forward to lower charging cost now!

@casperhansen826 2 күн бұрын

Get rid of the tax advantages and see how the sales are going

@antwnpowell 2 күн бұрын

This is happening in France

@Brian-om2hh 2 күн бұрын

Get rid of the £billions in taxpayer funded subsidies handed to the oil industry, and see how petrol goes.... It would cost 4 or 5 times what it does now... You ok with that?

@casperhansen826 2 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hhthat would be great even though a lot of things get more expensive

@kensmith8701 2 күн бұрын

They had tax advantages once to have diesel as company cars.

@DrDave_63395 Күн бұрын

Dave. Do you have stats on how many actual miles on electricity is done in PHEVs in the UK. Some people will diligently charge each night and mostly do short trips. But how many were bought as a tax break option

@stevenbarrett7648 2 күн бұрын

We had a Range Rover Sport P400e which plugged in giving about 20 to 30 miles of range, ideal for my wife's daily commute but useless for our weekend 260 mile regular trips, once its lease was up it went back !. Too expensive to run, insurance was astronomical as was service costs which we had to have every year. Prefer running our Tesla, no maintenance, 300+ mile range and runs off our own solar power / octopus 7ppKwh overnight charging. Through summer we've been driving virtually for free, even here in West Yorkshire!

@harryadam1671 Күн бұрын

Dave - you need to check your facts. My last car - a BMW 225Xe - a phev - could charge its battery from flat to full without having to plug in - entirely through regenerative braking. While that would not be a sensible way to do it, it is perfectly possible for example when on a road trip and unable to plug in. Your definitive statement was simply wrong.

@Brian-uu3jq 2 күн бұрын

My EV is the best purchase I've ever made.

@user-oz4mx1di7t Күн бұрын

My work colleague has bought a vauxhall ev and can't charge at home and says that it's costing more to charge than his petrol car was to feul

@phildrabble5498 2 күн бұрын

Agreed, an average of 2 miles per Kilowatt hour would indeed make a PHev a very expensive luxury compared to full BEVs achieving 4 miles/kwh. 😮 But that figure doesn't ring true for the new more efficient PHevs available in 2024, which can achieve a much longer a range with only a slightly bigger battery. Your argument against the cost of running a PHev charged at home appears to be based on old data.

@antwnpowell 2 күн бұрын

What about complications at MOT time?

@user-oz4mx1di7t Күн бұрын

So the petrol version is 11000 pounds cheaper and also under the luxury car tax band I think it's a no brainer which one to buy

@stephenbagwell8275 Күн бұрын

I wish I had a BEV rather than a PHEV when I got free charges

@yankeewog 2 күн бұрын

Honest question: Why is there a 5000-pound difference between the Peugeot PHEV and the BEV? Why is the car with fewer parts more expensive?

@mupwangle 2 күн бұрын

Because the cost of the parts are more expensive. Lithium batteries aren't cheap.

@GruffSillyGoat Күн бұрын

@@mupwangle - the battery cost differential isn't that high these days between a PHEV and a BEV, particularly when the ICE and transmission costs are removed (more so in dedicated EV platform cars). The price difference is a marketing value based one, BEV models often have 'added' standard features to justrify the additional cost but even these don't explain the level of price difference. In reality it's about profit as BEVs were seen as an early-adopter premium market so the models were priced as such. However, were now seeing more and more lower cost BEV models available, as companies are now targetting the early majority buyers who have a different set of needs. Some BEV models are now price equivalent with ICE cars, so PHEVs will likely get squeezed out as it will become too expensive for automakers to maintain their production in the long run. HEVs will likely continue and just replace ICE cars - with all ICE cars equiped with a small battery and engine assist motor (in lieu of the alternator).

@dougowt Күн бұрын

Personally, I think the non plug-in hybrids should be banned, Nissan e-poweer and Toyota's 'self charging' are a waste of space and the advertising is dishonest and misleading. For years, we had mainline trains pulled by diesel engines connected to generators, powering electric motors on the axles. These have always been referred to as 'diesel engines/trains'. They have never been referred to as hybrids or e-power etc because they use diesel to propel them along. If we must have plug-in hybrids (they aren't as good or as efficient as they used to be) then they should legislate that they should have a minimum electric range of 60+ miles. One option you forgot to mention is that some folk may be able to charge at work. I do understand that people are nervous about switching to full BEV but after a couple of weeks, all the problems you thought you might have start to melt away. You do still need to pick the right option for you, the same as any car or van but once you change your routine from calling in at filling stations, to charging at home, at work, while shopping etc, you soon forget the worries. And when you don't get the big annual maintenance bill of the ICE cars you used to pay, it all gets more attractive. My EV is 8 years old, has covered 267,000 miles and it just passed its MOT, needing a couple of tyres. Maintenance this year has been a new 12v battery and I changed the front suspension top arms, just because I felt that after 250,000 odd miles they probably should be changed. Check which cars will be good for your needs and drive a few, there are some great options these days. Everything Electric is on at Farnborough from 11th to 13th October, there will be a lot of cars available there for test drives.

@keithdenton8386 Күн бұрын

SOME so called EXPERTS. Other so called experts disagree.

@mjcamp01 Күн бұрын

Could you do a video on Diesel sales in London falling by 40% Dave? Range anxiety for ICE dricers on its way 😊

@truebrit3670 Күн бұрын

Petrol station closure seem to be a hot topic. With the amount of EVs where I live I guess fuel revenues have dropped 5 - 10% in the last 3 years. This is surely accelerating and must be a big concern for station owners. I've not set foot in a petrol station for months.

@davetakesiton Күн бұрын

Looking into it thanks

@stus1117 Күн бұрын

Hi Dave, I agree and disagree, your title, " is a PHEV worth it" is very click bait - shame on you - anything that can drive on 'green' generated electricity is worth for emissions sake! . The title should be "Is a PHEV financially worth it". I bought my C5X as my wife believed the other lot regarding the charging infrastructure, but it's a great car, economy can only be realised over many miles, but emissions benefit every time you drive it in either hybrid or full electric modes.

@x5toledo 2 күн бұрын

Get cheap and plentiful public charging and the PHEV dual motor business model might struggle against a BEV. So they'll probably be around for plenty of years ahead.

@keithdenton8386 Күн бұрын

If in any doubt whatsoever by a diesel, or petrol car.

@blobstrom Күн бұрын

I'm sure regular hybrids (self charging 🤮) charge from the engine as well as regenerative braking. PHEV's cannot charge from the engine.

@petersimms4982 Күн бұрын

😢😮a hybrid will still fail MOT emissions tests , eventually 😢😢😢

@stevoone342 Күн бұрын

Irrelevant it all boils down, ice EV hybrid or other, is witch meets each individuals needs and wants. Like for some a EV or even a hybrid isn’t suitable and vis versa . Personally I think the plug in hybrids are a we bit of a tax dodge/ con and in ways more to go Wong. Key why I stick with ice is I can do a lot of the mantanace myself and have a wide array of decent garages also not that my car needs much mantanace bar wear and tear and yearly services, which should be carried out on all cars due it’s when things you might not of noticed get spotted and may save your life. Let alone your money. And mot’s don’t check everything and can miss or are not looking for has something been serviced correctly. It mostly a basic safety check. At the end of the day each type and size vehicle serves a purpose and meets different peoples needs. At the end of the day false or incorrect info can come from any side mostly down to invested interests. Sad truth we should be buying Uk or European made cars ice or EV and other, due its supports are own economy and jobs and the foot print is massively smaller than shipping cars all the way from china.. let alone the issue of buying Chinese products of a state sponsored companies like MG and BYD and others.

@archiefleming652 Күн бұрын

If you drive caring about economy buy a diesel or if you just enjoy drivijng buy a petrol car, dont bother with EV at all

@Gazer75 2 күн бұрын

@7:40 Yes it can. The PHEV works exactly like an EV. It will regen using the motor. My dad has been driving a 2015 Golf GTE for many years now and that is how it works. If driving down a long hill, which we got plenty of here in Norway, the car will regen the battery all the way. Downside of the PHEV is that the motor has to be connected before or on the gearbox which causes it to loose efficiency. Back when he got it they needed the extra range to get to their cabin and pull a trailer. At the time only the Model X was capable of pulling his 1500kg trailer, so a pure EV was not an option. The cabin was one of those fixed caravan sites that prohibited charging EVs and PHEVs as the electric system was not built for the potential power demand. Pretty sure charging the GTE on a public charger here wouldn't be to bad. I've seen AC rates down around 3-4.5 NOK/kWh, that is less than 35p/kWh btw. With petrol at around 1.7£/liter the price is pretty close I think? Problem is its a 3.6kW onboard charger that would take 2+ hours to fill the 8kWh battery. Either way they have charged that car at home ever since they got it. Think he fueled it once or twice in the past year. Every time I sit in it the low fuel warning is on :D So he clearly runs it with barely any fuel in the tank for every day use.