Is a vegan diet healthier than eating meat and dairy? - BBC REEL

[@iceyjo]

When people say they eat meat. The mean, I eat everything in the western diet including meat. Then they blame meat for their problems. Sugar and processed foods are the real killers. They unfortunately are in most diets.

[@noaeliyahu3897]

actually, most people don't know that meat is in fact responsible for most of the leading diseases. if you look up carcinogens meat is up there with smoking. Eating meat goes hand in hand with high cholesterol intake and raises your chance of diabetes. the problem is that they *don't* blame meat for these problems because most people don't know about them. the meat industry is taking a page out of the tobacco industry's book in the 18 hundreds and publishing a lot of misinformation.

[@iceyjo]

@@noaeliyahu3897 You need to cite a source. I have heard this about sugar, never about meat. Cancers most use sugar as fuel. Before 1800 diabetes was a very rare disease. Show me any study that isolates meat in humans. Not self-reporting or the eat anything including meat and we blame the meat study. Many animals only eat meat and don't get heart attacks, diabetes, or cancer. Humans are smart but we are not special. I can show you any animal that eats sugar and processed foods that lives a shorter life (i.e. dogs) You need protein for muscle preservation and most people in the west to eat too little. Also, if you bring up processed meat you are talking about curing salt causing cancer, not the meat.

[@ChickpeatheTortie]

Yes its so nice to be a living, walking, talking graveyard.

[@catherineball7584]

@@noaeliyahu3897 if that were the case, hunter gatherer populations, particularly Inuit, would be riddled with it. They're not. Processed foods and sugar, all notably low or absent in HG diets, are responsible for many of the human race's health woes.

[@noaeliyahu3897]

@@catherineball7584 that not true because cancer takes time to develop, and most hunter gatherer populations didnt live long enough to develop cancer

[@SteamalbRushu]

The problem is they compare whole food vegan vs standart processed food including everything (they call junk food meat based food which is not the same) The comparison would have been better if it was whole food plant based vs whole food meat based

[@badasti6750]

Exactly, I want to see the dude on a zero carb high fat carnivore diet, because i did that for 9 months, i ended up eating less than half what i used to, all heartburn gone, carb cravings gone, energy levels the same or better, better focus and no muscle loss. I recently went back on it Not saying carnivore is for everyone or that it cures everything but thats just my experience. Oh and I almost never fart anymore... I haven't met anyone on a plant based diet that hasnt admitted to having a ton of gas

[@joanofarcxxi]

They should compare vegan with organic omnivorous diet. I bet organic omnivorous diet would win.

[@nonenone2669]

@@badasti6750 I'm doing lazy keto, but what's wrong with farting? Lol. I do eat veggies though, so maybe it comes from that.

[@mrmonay]

@@nonenone2669 on all meat based, farts aren’t a thing at all, gone. You do the math.

[@nonenone2669]

@@mrmonay but whats with farting? Does indicate that youre unhealthy?

[@jwmcneelyIII]

I went on a whole foods plant based diet about 3 years ago. Lost 50 lbs, cholesterol levels went from dangerous to optimal, I have far more energy and alertness, and my digestion is dramatically better.

[@alisaif-eddine3143]

Not sustainable on the long term, may developp deficiencies despite supplements unfortunately.

[@flowerinthewild-x5u]

@@alisaif-eddine3143 may develop deficiencies even if you eat meat and diary so whats your point

[@alisaif-eddine3143]

@@flowerinthewild-x5u The risk to developp deficiencies is lower in case the diet is complete and balanced. It's clear and obvious we need vitamins that a vegan diet can not provide. B12 is just a classic example. Some people still believe that we don't get enough B12 because of modern agriculture, pesticides and overwashing fruits and vegetables, but it's not smart at all to believe this theory, as the one who know the vegetable and herbivore anatomies knows how their stomach and intestines are composed and works to absorb pre-existing vitamins in the vegetables, which our intestine's anatomy and physiology could not. And which we get from their meat. Try to go on a strict vegan diet in a cold/ minus degree weather for a couple of months or a year and you will know that this diet is not sustainable.

[@flowerinthewild-x5u]

@@alisaif-eddine3143 no it is not obvious and what you said ain't true either, vitamin b12 is in several plant based sources and they do get absorbed, and yeah my health has only got better and I have checked for deficiencies as well

[@flowerinthewild-x5u]

@@alisaif-eddine3143 and who said anything about cold/minus degree weather, an extreme case doesn't refute a general case( even though the extreme case ain't true either)

[@minimalisthealth]

They've missed a trick here by not controlling for processed food intake. Either they should have allowed both a set amount of ultra-processed foods (burgers, fries, desserts, sausages) or should have had both go without it altogether. A lot of the large observational vegan studies show better outcomes, but that could be largely because the vegans are more given to consciously avoiding refined crappy food. In India, there is no diff in life expectancy in pre-dominantly veg states (Gujarat) and meat eating states (Kerala) when they're in the same GDP per capita range. This could be because Gujaratis are veg culturally, so their vegetarianism isn't a conscious dietary desicion and so they're as likely as others to eat crap. Strongly feel that vegan studies in the West are skewed because of this simple fact that when you choose to be vegan and have the will power to stick with it, you're also much likelier to choose to eat healthy and have the willpower to continue eating healthy. In a controlled study, they have missed a chance to control for what seems like a very obvious additional factor.

[@aaronzewdu]

Yep, this study has so many holes and terrible execution. Should have completely wiped out all processed foods and should have gone strictly carnivore (not animal based) which means no dairy either. Just meat 24/7.

[@nickdiakanastasis]

Ah, but then how would they be able to fudge results to show what they want? 😆

[@julijakeit]

vegan diet is not healthy long term as only meat can provide with mineral necessary for our brain to function well. there is no plant based alternative that we know off. Some vegans experience brain fog, irritation, exhaustion only years after being vegan while others cannot last even days. India has tradition of vegetarian diet (not vegan) and climate of eating fresh vegetables and fresh spices all year around and also they use ghee which is clarified butter and paneer which is cheese made of yoghurt so mostly not vegan but vegetarian.

[@ZooTube2024]

This is just another slanted study to promote eating vegan. If vegan long term were what these studies want to imply they would not have to muddy the water with processed foods, sugar and junk being eating by the other half of the study. Carnivore diet with or without dairy is far superior long term than vegan or vegetarian. Plus the wild animals might have a change to recover if we were stopping industrial agriculture. Talk about murdering animals 1000 to one killed on a vegan diet verses a carnivore diet..True fact!

[@fernandomamede6011]

yeah, too bad one of the world's leading scientists in gut microbiome didn't came to KZbin to check with you before @@aaronzewdu

[@neilstleon6251]

I've been lifting weights since I was 20. I'm 52 now and went plant based when I was 30. The biggest thing I've noticed is I just don't seem to be aging on the plant based diet and when I ate lot's of meat I felt sluggish a lot of the time. I think for ultimate longevity the plant diet is better... just so long as you don't eat junk food and too much bread etc. For me I think it's better to make the conscious choice to not be a part of animal suffering anymore and definitely better for the natural environment. I WON'T BE RESPONDING TO ANY FURTHER COMMENTS AGAINST THE PLANT BASED LIFESTYLE.

[@stewmeat92]

How many supplements do u take because if u have been strictly vegan ( no animal products at all) for 22 years ur on all sorts of supplements

[@gotbrain3333]

​@@stewmeat92 That's highly ignorant of you. Most supplements and medications produced globally are taken by non vegans. I've been vegan for the past 8 years and the only thing I took consistently is b12. Which btw we all need to take it at one point or another because as your body ages, you lose the ability to absorb it just from food. Most farmed animals also take b12 supplements, so really when you eat meat you don't take it from the meat, you take it from the supplement the animal took lol.

[@stewmeat92]

@@gotbrain3333 I'm 45 years old I take 0 supplements, everything that ur body needs The Lord GOD has already provided in nature and these vegan doctors that u vegans put ur trust in knows this. I eat whole foods not processed McDonald's junk. Vitamins and all them pills u delusional vegans are on aren't meant to take the place of meats and vegetables but to supplement if needed. Popping pills to survive when The Almighty GOD has generously provided everything we need for the body to flourish is a foolish way to live and will do u more harm than good.

[@gotbrain3333]

@@stewmeat92 Sorry but you lost me as soon as you mentioned religion. I trust science, thanks.

[@stewmeat92]

@@gotbrain3333 I know I did, abundance and a grocery store on every corner and a fridge full of veggies 🤣 and pills and money and resources have made u and many others fools but something is about to happen that will end all that in 1 day. Carrington event 1859 look it up and see what happened, that's about to happen again on a worldwide scale and in that day ( if that 💉 hasn't killed u because I know u probably fully vaccinated and probably boosted) ur view will change, those days will be evil, murder will be common.

[@waynefenegan5156]

So Hugo (Vegan)'s diet gave him lower cholesterol, more stable energy levels, more resistance to type 2 diabetes and lower body fat, but the producers' takeaway is that the diets gave them broadly similar results. Eh?

[@mqcastro24]

They said that in the same breath!! same sentence! make it make sense

[@mqcastro24]

@J J in this study, with the two of them, in a short amount of time it is significant (even thou not statistically relevant). It clearly impacted the vegan twin with multiple examples mentioned by them, yet they disregarded the effects and said their diets "didn't bring any significant changes" when in reality the diet was able to lower his insulin levels, colesterol levels and increase energy!

[@mqcastro24]

@J J True. Your explanation is great. They could indeed have provided more objective data instead of just "felt more energetic".

[@StefanIsapanda]

@J J Didn't they say his cholesterol dropped ''off the scale'' suggesting significant results?

[@cdnrider6200]

i guess Hugo will live longer with everything being equal ...LOL

[@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405]

58 year old vegan lady here. Gym rat, skier, hiker, swimmer. Veg for 8 years and vegan for 6. I feel younger and stronger than I did when I was 30. If there is a fountain of youth, it is the WHOLE FOOD vegan diet. I eat very little processed food.

[@winniepeg8393]

@@elephantintheroom5678 Don't eat the skins of any root vegetables, they contains 75% more toxins than the flesh, arsenic Mercury cadmium and plenty others Don't have any soya protein it all contains aluminium 😱 And loads of cadmium Mercury and arsenic, For some weird reason that plant based protein powders are far more toxic than whey, Egg based protein powders are almost toxin free

[@weedylock]

cool story

[@lilo_920]

The key is whole foods. Whether vegan or not, focussing on real non-processed foods greatly improves anyone's health.

[@ukmark9211]

@@lilo_920 and low carbs. We dont need carbs at all. We should eat full fat everything.

[@kconrad5893]

Q: How can you tell someone is vegan? A: They tell you every five minutes.

[@bigslacker666]

I ate 100% plant based for 4 years. As an athlete I was worried about performance and muscle loss. Turned out to be a non issue, I still performed very well and did the toughest ultra endurance MTB ride of my life in addition to great gym gains. However I didn't get a huge boost to energy levels as I was eating healthy/diverse before and already didn't do dairy. I love that in the vid they called out the fake meats and other vegan snacks being no healthier than processed meats in a 'normal' diet. I understand that they can help people who are used to eating a lot of meat convert over for ethics, but in terms of health they're not good. The takeaway is really to get that diversity of plants to help your gut microbiome, avoid processed foods and eat natural as much as possible regardless of vegan/omni. Health will follow.

[@robinjames7967]

Same, I’m the leanest and most jacked I’ve ever been. Thanks to eating no rotting corpses.

[@mohamedvalli8341]

I went from Vegan to Meat and I feel much better, stronger, and healthier by far.

[@hellobooom]

​@@robinjames7967that's all the proof I need then. NOT

[@a5a346]

@@mohamedvalli8341u eat only high quality meat?

[@AlienAteIt.MyNoraTees]

processed food is the true enemy

[@Shane-zl9ry]

I've been whole food vegan for 2 years now. I'm healthier than ever. My only regret is I didn't start when I was younger.

[@MDH16477]

Wait 2 more years and you’ll regret that you did it at all. Quit now before your teeth fall out.

[@ilmostro16]

But were you on a whole food diet before or one full of processed junk and sugar? Because once again, the problem here is that people are going from a diet full of junk foods to a “whole food” vegan diet and then assume the meat and cheese and eggs were the problem in their previous diet. That’s not true and not a fair assessment. If you add clean whole food meats such as salmon or tuna, or a grass fed steak once a month, grass fed free range eggs to your current whole food diet, you’ll be much better off. The reason you feel better and healthier now is because you eliminated all the processed junk and sugar.

[@flavio.portela]

@@MDH16477 lol I have friends who never ate meat nor dairy since birth due to allergies. They all have their teeth.

[@Shane-zl9ry]

@@ilmostro16 True, you can still eat a moderate amount of meat and dairy and still be healthy. I just ate so bad for too long, I'm trying to make up for lost time. I also stopped drinking alcohol.

[@Vini.OliveTree]

Hi, I feel the same, 5 years in and I feel better than ever.

[@TopherHess1974]

Just started a vegan lifestyle this New Year ( didn't know about Veganuary until after) I have to say, it's a lot easier than I thought to go without meat and dairy. The biggest obstacle is the preparation of a balanced meal and finding the proper ingredient in an animal heavy marketplace. But, I enjoy cooking so I'll enjoy figuring out new combinations.

[@CarmellaNYC]

I agree one needs to be vert organised and well prepaared

[@raymondotoole2600]

You’ll go back eating meat

[@martinholt7229]

@@raymondotoole2600 exactly. They aren’t going to make it through winter.

[@CarmellaNYC]

@@raymondotoole2600 I havent eaten meat or dairy for almost two years and feel great! I never liked meat or chicken too much even before I went plant based.

[@azdeh1894]

@@raymondotoole2600 it's not hard at all nowadays, half of the crap you eat is already vegan..

[@xxk3rd196]

There’s a difference. BBC trying to be non-biased and appear smart by saying “not disparate”. But cholesterol dropping significantly, resistance to diabetes for the Vegan are markedly different outcomes.

[@PurpleCh4lk]

Or my take away - the difference is not so different that it would be news flashy. Varied diet and you're good to go.

[@Vscustomprinting]

@@PurpleCh4lk no. That is wrong.

[@PurpleCh4lk]

@@Vscustomprinting Aight

[@tommygun333]

But vegan being more prone to illnesses due to poor bacteria diversity in the gut. I suggest eating both as this is our evolutionary state..

[@Vscustomprinting]

@@tommygun333 you don't know anything about gut biodiversity or microbiology. Stop playing.

[@RoxinaSolerGamborena]

I am mostly eating (balanced) plant based for the last months; a true game changer: more energy, better skin, digestion issues gone...and rediscovering recipes and tunning them to my taste and ingredients availability. Plus, learning more and more about nutrition. A fascinating journey. Way easier than expected, and really really tasty and comforting.

[@Shirleysdad]

Learnt about bioavailability yet?

[@immune18]

Learning more and more about nutrition Eating a vegan diet Pick one.

[@raheemallen2003]

Alert📢 A Sunday Law Which will be The Mark Of The Beast when enforce by law, Those that keep Gods seventh day sabbath will be prohibited from buying and sell and persecuted. Jesus is coming are you ready?

[@jsprunger6246]

Liar

[@immune18]

@showbizonastick 😂

[@ShadowzKiller]

Interesting study, but it still made the same mistake as I have seen in other discussions IMO. The biggest thing overlooked in this and many other vegan vs. "xxx" discussion diets is the fact the original diet of the individual who "turns vegan" is often, already unhealthy or the person had lacked original awareness of their daily diet. This is particularly underscored by how one of the twins commented how he was surprised how his "meat diet" composed of processed foods - why? You can eat very healthy foods including healthy, non-processed meat and dairy. I lived in Japan and the Japanese diet includes a rich variety of meat, fish, dairy, vegetables, fruit, etc., and it is still considered one of the healthiest in the world. Vegan diet seems to be so western-focused because food lifestyles in the West have declined steadily and this is also exhibited by research highlighting how there are obesity, diabetes and other health problems arising from poor diet and lack of exercise in Westernizing cities or Western countries compared to other parts of the world. If "going vegan" works for you, then great. My point is that food quality and general awareness of nutrition are fundamental in addition to exercise for leading a healthy lifestyle.

[@justusbowman]

I'm a vegetarian, but what you say makes sense. If someone is blindly consuming ice cream, sodas, and meat, then obviously quitting all of that or cutting way back is going to make a difference. Is the positive change purely about meat though? Or is that a conversation that sells more easily?

[@ShadowzKiller]

@@justusbowman Great questions. I think that there are many factors involved and it really is difficult to say, "I did A so I got result X," when talking about health. Nonetheless, this narrative sells very well when you look at infomercials in general.

[@SarahWells777]

Yes!! Thank you,glad someone else pointed those things out.

[@liveonce2102]

I imagine its not the case here though as both are serious athletes and likely eat healthy already to optimise their performance. Think it was more unhealthy meats that were the main unhealthy items. Some very processed,.

[@ShadowzKiller]

@@liveonce2102 That could be. It is just hard to determine that because the images provided include junk food and there is a lack of detailed description of their meals.

[@m0L3ify]

My immune system improved dramatically on a vegan diet. Whereas I used to be sick for 5 weeks and I'd always get a secondary bacterial infection at the end every time I got a cold, now I'm just mildly sick for a week, recover for a week, and it's done. My hormonal cycle also became regular for the first time in my life, and my wife's Type 2 diabetes went away when she switched, as well. It's been really amazing! We're never going back.

[@JustFiddler]

good for you

[@jamesyu5212]

I was the exact opposite. I was always getting sick on a vegan diet. I shifted to ketogenic meat based diet and feel healthier than ever.

[@S-O-T]

You must have been on a junk food diet before lol

[@S-O-T]

@@jamesyu5212 We are meat eaters lol

[@conorrclark8274]

this isnt because of presence of plant food, its the absence of processed foods and seed oils. do you insulin, homocysteine, tgs, magnesium, CPK, CRP and then APOa APOb ratios. you will find veganisn isnt sustainable

[@tacv]

05:32 "overall, Hugo and Ross' results were not that disparate. All agree there isn't a great difference, if any, between the two diets" and then they state "we both have high cholesterol and Hugos cholesterol dropped off the scale on a vegan diet." and also "My obesity level dropped, my resistance to type II diabetes increased. " So what is it then?!

[@punker4Real]

the high cholesterol myth is made up by big phxrma to sell it's drugs Here i'll debunk Fruits vegetables and grains "as being healthy" Fruit = fructose = glucose = higher sugar levels vegetables = starch = glucose = higher sugar levels ( except for leafy greens those just cause kidney stones... ) Grass seeds: aka grains = starch = glucose = higher sugar levels ... VEGANISM MADE me OBESE and pre diabetic in two weeks i gained 25 pounds PLANTS ARE NOT HEALTHY.. 90% meat based diet I dropped all ready 48 pounds of weight from 230 to 182 all of my "first world" health issues went away.....

[@highlander200268]

it is not a good thing to drop cholesterol, very bad for your health to do so...

[@punker4Real]

actually by lowering you cholesterol the increase risk for dementia,alzheimer's this is actually one of the side effects of statins

[@highlander200268]

@@punker4Real there is no cause and effect study on what causes dimentia, it is not a thing, there is no rct study done on such a thing

[@tacv]

@@highlander200268 I disagree. They have very high cholesterol, meaning they have a higher risk for strokes and heart attacks. Which are one of the leading causes of death. So lowering it to normal levels is a very good thing. Also it is stated that his levels of obesity and risk of type II diabetes improved. So that's also a very good thing.

[@bretthannah1132]

Going carnivore and ending up a lot healthier as a result is a big reason I’m still on this planet today. After being diagnosed with 4 different autoimmune diseases and going through 10 years of horrific pain and inflammation it has been the only thing that has finally given me a life back and made it worth living. I’ve got less inflammation, more energy, less pain and my monthly blood tests have improved immensely.

[@Xelenteontae_]

Nice! Great job bro

[@Maryellengray]

I was a fat vegan. Now I’m a healthy meat eater.

[@Commonclaus]

Great anecdon’t. I could tell the same story and replace the words carnivore with vegan. You are most definitely not a lion. 🤡

[@Commonclaus]

@@Maryellengray that’s because you’re sick but you’re just happy you’re losing weight. You blame vegan but the fact is you really just don’t know how to plan a diet. If you don’t know how to plan a diet you don’t know how to plan a diet. It’s that simple.

[@freudianslippers6567]

I hate to think what your colon is going to look like in 10 years.

[@GorilieVR]

I've been vegan since August 2020. The withdrawals from crap food was very difficult for 3+ months but now it's easy and I have no desire to eat meat or dairy

[@highlander200268]

84% of all vegans quit with 1-5 stating poor health, good luck, you will fail cause you cannot get proper nutrition

[@jacqueeelle6287]

Same here, it was hard to deal with the withdrawals at first, but not anymore. I feel better than I ever have and the arthritis pain in my hip went away. My energy is much improved too.

[@highlander200268]

@@jacqueeelle6287 wait till the deficiencies catch up and you reach end stage

[@Redemption-r]

@@highlander200268 you are just stating 84% there but not stating what are reasons behind that. Most people who turn to veganism don't know much about vegan diet and end up making wrong choices. I know vegans eating fries from McDonalds most of the times and this person is obviously going to be unhealthy.

[@mucc7911]

@@Redemption-r Ohh let me guess, "They did it wrong"? I highly doubt that most of the 84% drop-outs were because they thought they could just eat french fries for every meal and then had health problems. I'd be willing to think that a majority of people trying veganism are already trying to be health-conscious and make good decisions.

[@Movtail]

Vegan for 10 years now, only regret is I wish I started 20 years ago. My energy increased a lot, so much so that I ran a half marathon after a few months and now do 2-3 ultras a year. Aside from performance I no longer need to worry about heart disease, cancer or diabetes, which is the main reason I started becoming vegan.

[@crackajacka87]

Better stay away from processed plant based foods then as they are likely to increase heart disease and not reduce it. With Cancer, you will still be getting cancer just as easily as the next person so if you drink or hang around people who smoke or even live in a city with street pollution, they all can give you cancer but sure, eating healthily can reduce some cancers but you dont need to not eat meat to to be healthy as it's about a healthy balanced diet and you are more likely to reach that balance with meat than without it though over eating on meat is bad for you. As for Diabetes, you are more likely to get it simply by being over 40 naturally or 25 if you are from African or south Asian descent. Issues with a vegan diet is the lack of nutrients with Anemia, depression and thyroid issues being the top problems and they in turn can cause further issues like triggering the big three that you mentioned above. My mum is a vegetarian and has been for most of her life, over 35 years and she's been overweight throughout all of that time so she is still likely to suffer from the issues you mentioned and I've dated a couple of vegans, both had severe anemia and one also had a thyroid problem and both were depressed... That all said, the vegan diet can work for some but for many, it will and does cause serious issues that have been noted by doctors and the scientific community.

[@rocket3254]

@@crackajacka87 you obviously ignored the bit where he said he was on a whole food diet, he won’t even be eating processed food

[@rickcasual]

Who would have known training can increase your performance, also carbs accelerate cancer growth, youre more likely to die from cancer being vegan than going straight carnivore.

[@crackajacka87]

@@rocket3254 Show me where he said he was on a whole foods diet? I reread his comment twice and failed to see such a claim so I think you obviously just assumed that just to counter me...

[@azdeh1894]

@@rickcasual That's a straight up lie lol there are less heavy carb options for vegans so by that alone can tell you're an idiot..

[@Andrew-qg3ni]

Funny about their view on cholesterol, obesity and diabetes as minor difference where majority of the population struggle and suffer from these.

[@AwesomeFDO789]

Yeah like way to down play the biggest killers of mankind. Lol

[@spartanbeef9491]

Well, if your study finds that there is only a small difference between two things and that said small difference is unlikely to make a difference to the majority of the populations health it would be irresponsible to lie and say otherwise, wouldn't it? It's not "low vs high cholesterol is a minor issue" it's "The differences we observed in this study won't have a significant effect on anyone's health".

[@drunkpekka4284]

Because they only have 1 sample size, so it's hardly a representative of a population.

[@PranavSettaluri]

Obesity related deaths are largest cause of death every year in America. Guess what, all of them would be 100% meat eaters.

[@spartanbeef9491]

@@PranavSettaluri That's a spicy hot take. Got any source for that?

[@isaiahhiggins]

I think regardless of the specific diet you choose, it's beneficial to pay attention to what you eat and make adjustements based on how different foods affect you.

[@kettlez3892]

This is subjective, the facts say otherwise you're only going to cause yourself harm in the long run.

[@isaiahhiggins]

@@kettlez3892 you're saying you shouldn't pay attention to what you eat?

[@kettlez3892]

​@@isaiahhiggins Animal products are harmful in the long-run, "The Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets"; has been echoing this for half a century. The heath studies done to point out how bad dairy, meat and egg products is well understood to cause ill health outcomes such as heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, stroke, cancer an neurological diseases in the long term. I never suggested that you shouldn't take into account how you feel, but I am pointing out that simply reading your own body isn't enough, but understanding how food affects all body types will improve overall health outcomes. By understand the research of the data an statistics in these long term studies done, an understanding the presented evaluations of studies done by the organisations that have researched these studies, in this position paper for over 50 years of research, you will be better informed an understand what is actually good for you, an practicing those will lead to better health outcomes. A vegan wholefood and plant-based diet is far better for you, an provide the opportunity to live a longer and healthier life. Go do you're due research if you're not informed, I think it will be enlightening as you cannot argue with the facts. As you're talking subjectively about how food makes you "feel", I'm talking from a point of science and well done long term research into the overall health outcomes from all food groups, an a whole food plant based diet is just the healthiest outcome for all age groups at all stages of life.

[@Smoothgrooves]

@@kettlez3892 shut your pie hole self righteous ass hole vegan

[@KK-lg8uz]

cut everything out except meat and then see what effects you as you add things back in again. Our natural human diet is basically meat, with very little (to often no) fruit. All the vegetable's (and tbh almost all of the fruit but its less toxic) is man made. You can say animals were selectively bred too but they have always been edible, unlike most of the plants we now eat. Diet isnt that complicated, you just have to follow what we evolved eating. All the other food is whats causing the problems.

[@mrnarason]

Interesting. If the study was longer than 12 weeks, I wonder what the results would be and with more participates

[@highlander200268]

wasnt a study, it was a food questionnaire and not even meat, it was a standard western diet, this is not a proper study nor science

[@tegridyweed7863]

*looks at nikocado avocado 🥑 and realizes you're doing just fine with yourself

[@punker4Real]

VEGANISM MADE me OBESE and pre diabetic in two weeks i gained 25 pounds PLANTS ARE NOT HEALTHY.. it's a scam to damage your health like it did to me.. 90% meat based diet I dropped all ready 48 pounds of weight from 230 to 182 all of my "first world" health issues went away..... Humans are Designed to consume meat... we have stomachs of acid (for the digestion of meat ) and a gallbladder( for the digestion of saturated animal fats)

[@punker4Real]

vegan deterioration it only took 1 week for me i ended up with a mild stroke(face paralysis also weakness) i ended up quitting to a meat based diet 90% on the second week.. after several weeks on a raw meat based diet my face paralysis went away.... 13 months in i still eat both raw and cooked (raw digests way better)..... 80 to 90% meat based i lost 48 pounds of weight my energy level is consistent after about the 8th month mark... my skin is soft, my hair is super soft also i don't smell anymore like SAD or vegan dieters

[@josephjones1191]

@@punker4Real obviously you did it wrong then and im not even vegan

[@papapiers1588]

Can’t say I learned anything from this….

[@sangoku149]

me neither, I didn't understand the conclusion

[@trildi]

@@sangoku149 The conclusion was eat the rainbow, as they said (each food group contributes to your gut health and diversity) and reduce sugar and processed foods. They literally said this.

[@sangoku149]

@@trildi ok, I am not a native speaker and I was also maybe not super focus so when I saw this comment I thought I was right when I didn't saw any clear conclusion. But they should say that veganism is a wrong diet and the omnivore diet the right one. It would be more understandable. It is too much politized.

[@trildi]

@Nisa Night It does of course - rainbow is meant in terms of variety of food groups as well as variety of colours (literally) as each colour group has a higher amount of specific nutrients. The key is always 'everything in moderation'.

[@veganevolution]

A little ambiguous yes. But in that short amount of time, clinically if someone had heart disease or were developing insulin resistance, which are two huge cofactors for mortality, that would be huge for those patients.

[@silkeotd7194]

The great thing is that you don't have to go 100% vegan to get big results. I ate vegan about 85% of the time (I'd still have milk in my coffee in restaurants, and would indulge in the occasional piece of chicken while eating out as well as eat things that I knew had dairy in them (ex. a donut with my coffee) yet I still had tremendous improvements in my health. I eliminated congestion (I no longer snored at night, I became a quiet breather,) I dropped a LOT of weight without even dieting or trying to lose it, my blood pressure dropped by a large amount (I had very high blood pressure before) and I generally just looked and felt better. So I encourage everyone just to gradually increase (that's how I did it, not cold turkey) the vegan content of their diet until they mostly eat vegan, but not to be stuck on having to achieve 100%.

[@staceykersting705]

Yes! I eat 7-10 cups a day of veggies, but don't abstain from meat and fish, either. IMO, there's no one best diet for everyone.

[@ccrider3435]

Normal & Natural weaning in humans is 2.5 years. Did you know milk is full of opiates for babies? Didnt think so, its just another secret of the slavery secretion business. Dairy = bad fat, pus, disease, blood, vaccines, antibiotics, pharmaceuticals, GMOs, opiates, medicines, chemicals, genetic mysteries, rape, torture, terror, trauma, heartbreak, secret subsidies, abject slavery, eco-exemptions, ecocide, suicide and endless lies. Why put the contents of a tattered udder from a battered mother in your coffee? Yikes.

[@ccrider3435]

@@staceykersting705 LOL, spoken like someone who is clueless about science and heartless about the victims associated with industrial grade lies.

[@staceykersting705]

@@ccrider3435 LOL...I majored in anatomy, physiology and nutrition and an immersion year of all 3 integrated. Not clueless of science. I follow the top researchers in the field of health and longevity. Google '7 Research Based Podcasts on Longevity'. I'm one of many 60-70 yr old vegetarians who began to experience sarcopenia despite exercise. We got our eggs from our own free range chickens, drank some raw milk from the neighbor's cows. As we aged, we began to realize thatFransis Moore Lappe, et al just awn't cutting it for us. We slowly swung towards a more Mediterrainian type of diet. Get back to me at age 70 on that. Also ,if u think there's only one diet that fits everyone, u haven't dived deep at all.

[@bodhiapurva3887]

You are not vegan if you still consume milk and chicken, even in small amounts. Some would call you a 'flexitarian'.

[@patricktyr-egge5001]

An ALL meat diet is different from a diet that accommodates meat. It would be incredibly valuable to monitor identical twins over a prolonged period with one participant eating nose-to-tail unprocessed meat without adulterations whilst the sibling eats organic plant based meals. A crap diet with meat is still a crap diet. Sugar, carbs and seed oils transform otherwise healthy, prepared meals into crap diets. The vegan advantage is in eliminating the processed elements.

[@groovecouple4644]

Yep, I hate when “researchers” conflate a standard western crap diet with eating meat….

[@martinholt7229]

This is a key point. It looks like the comments section is filled with vegans but I'm not so convinced that theirs is really the ideal diet for longevity. All studies that show a vegan diet to be superior or comparing them to a SAD diet. I want to see the comparison between a vegan and a whole foods low carb diet, eg paleo or keto.

[@RayCuts]

Western diet is horrible. All meat as you say still depends on what the animal itself was eating. It's not just the accommodations that are unhealthy, a strong percentage of the meat itself is a problem with unnatural foods they eat and hormones injected. Speaking just from a perspective of getting your meat at a supermarket as opposed to hunting yourself for wild animals. There are trusted farmers and butchers but far and few in-between.

[@noaeliyahu3897]

@@RayCuts but the problem is the meat itself. no one said high cholesterol and diabetes come from the hormones injected into the animals. the problem is that meat is not healthy for human bodies. *all* blue zones(places where humans live to an average of 100) are mostly plant-based.

[@noaeliyahu3897]

@@martinholt7229 most of the serious studies compare *whole food plant-based* to whole foods low carbs.

[@jaywhoisit4863]

When the documentary mentions meat at the beginning it has a cartoon graphic of a burger. That’s bread, sauce, seed oil, and a bit of meat. Not a very scientific evaluation IMO. Would be interesting to see a full carnivore vs full vegan.

[@hamedmohammadnejad9385]

Exactly, this is a comparison between typical junk food diet vs vegan diet. They should experiment ketogenic diet vs vegan diet

[@newnepal2072]

More like junk food Vs vegan. A healthy diet with meat and veggies and fruits is the best way to go.

[@ab-js2gw]

Because "I've been vegan for 10 years, eating those vegan cupcakes loaded with sugar and vegan take outs. Still fat and unhealthy.” doesn't sound so appealing when you pushing personal view on to others.

[@victora.r3522]

Its not a study. It's Just propaganda for vegans!

[@periclesjames]

Most people today eat a 70% plant based diet but obesity, diabetes, heart disease , cancer are at record levels . People who eat just meat and no carbs at all or vegetable oils the most toxic product for human health have excellent health and live much longer lives

[@ResponseDigitalMedia]

So the one guy switched to vegan, and the other “continued to eat meat”. The question is what else was the meat eater eating? Doesn’t sound very scientific. How about comparing vegan diet with a carnivore diet? That would have more meaningful data.

[@dynasty507]

They would never.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

They did say he didn't change his eating habits, so it's Soup or Salad with Steak and Potatoes, Surf n Turf with Cheesecake for desert, with the occasional Bacon Cheeseburger and Onion Rings with a Vanilla Shake.

[@ToxicTruth]

Ridiculous, should have been vegan vs Carnivore for a proper experiment

[@ryanwellington7493]

It's how they guarantee the conclusions fit their agenda, epidemiology is a very corrupt field

[@herbbowler2461]

Yes compare vegans with inuit. Vegans have double the life expectancy. That's very conclusive.

[@keithlynch3169]

I increased my meat consumption and started going to the gym, I started running again after a 30 year absence. I'm feeling healthier and happy after increasing my meat consumption and totally removing dairy products.

[@elenaserrato5558]

Itsnot your meat that bodies belongs to animals ,what about justice an compation to animals,if you can live healthy in plants why torture, slave and kill animals

[@hectorvasquez690]

I did the same thing and three years later my body rejected meats, of all kind. The high protein(meat), low carb( breads, pasta, rice, potatoes) burned out my system. I was eating a whole food meat diet with no dairy and my system rejected it. I lost the taste for meat, it actually started to make me gag. I went plant based because I had no choice and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I’m a former gymnast and am in the best shape of my life at 56yrs old. To each their own but I don’t see myself ever going back to meat.

[@smokinpoppin]

@@elenaserrato5558 because we are designed to do that. Are you forgetting we are also animals?

[@everythingf1]

Really good study. The truth is you can be vegan and unhealthy if you're eating all these highly processed substitutes. For ultimate health it has to be a whole food plant based diet and I myself have been vegan for four years and when I let myself go sometimes and get some of those fake meats and ultra processed vegan snacks I feel unhealthy but the second I got back to eating whole foods I feel amazing. My pre diabetes and high cholesterol dropped within months, I go to the gym and my body recovers so quickly that I question if I went to the gym the day before. You just feel 100% all the time, even after having a huge meal you just want to get up and run, the last time I had a food coma and just wanted to lay down after a meal is when I had meat 4 years ago or if I have those fake vegan meats, and I remember back then it was normal to just want to rest or sleep after a meal but in reality food is energy so we should be full of it after a meal.

[@speedspeed121]

Usually, when I hear about a study, they say that the average vegan is healthier than the average meat-eater. That makes absolute sense because the average meat-eater doesn't watch their diet, whereas the average vegan is more health-minded. I like studies of healthy meat-eaters vs healthy vegans.

[@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405]

Completely agree with you. I can eat a little processed meat…vegan meat…but if I go more than a day without eating whole vegetables, like roasted veggies and clean salads with little to no oil..soups loaded with all veg….little to zero refined carbs…lots of chickpeas and lentils…unrefined oats etc.then I feel less than optimum. Real food from the earth is the way to go. The less processed the better. Makes you feel like a champion. Cheers from Canada. ❤️🌱❤️🌱❤️🌱❤️

[@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405]

@@speedspeed121 I would be interested in that too. There have been a few. Watch Game Changers.

[@kvavasseur]

Do you have recommendations for cookbooks, eating plans,, etc. to help transition to a vegan whole foods diet? I lift weights and swim. Am in pretty good shape. 60 years old, 185 pounds. About 80% plant based for the last five years. But want to make the final jump. Thanks.

[@UTF016]

It’s not a study.

[@hanneskonigwinqvist4396]

Would be very interesting to see a comparison with one of them eating a carnivore or at least a paleo diet and the other a vegan. Start eating good, unprocessed, real foods and see the difference. That's the real trick i'd say.

[@mikethats4thebirds600]

Flesh and secretions from animals aren't "real foods." Just FYI

[@frankfromupstateny3796]

I would have to say....your statement is more correct than "not" Just stay away from processed foods. I think we need both; but we do NOT need anything in a freakin' box.

[@keepingitwild5994]

They wouldn't do that as it would not make veganism look good.

[@johnathandavis3693]

@@mikethats4thebirds600 Grass, shrubs, and fungi aren't "real foods." Just FYI

[@frankfromupstateny3796]

@@mikethats4thebirds600 Utterly wrong

[@LiverpoolxC]

Since everybody is sharing their experiences. 29M and vegan for 1 year now. Before I had been on a keto diet and I guess SAD. Keto I got really lean, but had no energy and being able to eat little carbs sucked, ultimately it was difficult to maintain for more than a year. Went vegan and a couple of things happened: my eyesight went from long sight blurry to perfect vision again, my post nasal drip disappeared after a month (something I had been suffering from since a kid), I was able to get lean and stay lean with ease, I now run every week and go gym 4x a week. The only thing different thing I supplement in is B12. I still supplement with protein shakes (plant based ofc) and take creatine, BCAA and a couple of other random things like Vitamin D. Needless to say, a vegan diet is extremely healthy regardless of your goals.

[@enriquelaso359]

didn't read lmao

[@haz.fellie]

28F vegan for four years. You're killin' it!

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

You'll learn that you don't need to supplement with synthetics like B12 made in drug labs out of bacteria from sewage sludge or dairy waste. I never have and I've been vegan since 1992, when no one even cared about it. It's just pharma marketing.

[@TehKaiser]

Vegan diet can never be extremely healthy. And who knows, your keto could be dirty keto or excluded compatible plants like avocado and many green vegetables like broccoli. A diet with wild oily fish will always outclass a vegan diet.

[@haz.fellie]

@@TehKaiser enjoy your microplastics and let vegans do their thing, bud. We’re not trying to argue here.

[@TheFoxholeLife]

I tried vegan diet for sometime. All through those day, I felt miserable, my weight-loss plateaued after sometime, and most importantly, I was always thinking of food. Switched to a primarily meat based diet, with a little bit of green leafy vegetables, and so far my weight has reduced, my sugar levels came down and I stopped thinking of food.

[@darkfeather6857]

I think every body is different or there are certain types of bodies that need different things to function at an optimal level. For instance, introverts, like me, need a certain amount of solitude every day for mental health. I think some people need meat, while vegans can live without it.

[@alicedenise5722]

It definitely depends on what you eat as a vegan. I used to eat a high fat vegan diet low carb and had low energy levels then I switched to a high carb low fat vegan diet and my energy levels shot through the roof! Datorade is my favorite energy like nothing else 😊 Try it there's videos on KZbin on how to make it. & Soak them in water about 15-30 minutes so you don't break your blender!!!

[@erinh9267]

What was your diet consisting of when you eliminated animal products?

[@TheFoxholeLife]

@@erinh9267 Rice, wheat, bread etc. I think, it was gleuten that caused all these problems.

[@kakashi0429]

For me it's the balanced nutrition approach with regular exercise. Since September of 2021...lost 15 pounds. I am 39 as well.

[@oholmes1701]

Might come as a shock, I wasn't there though I think the roots of veganism is that the idea is that not everything should be based solely upon what's best 'for me'

[@highlander200268]

we only require meat, there is no such thing a balance, you never want to add plants and meat, it will be extremely poor for health

[@GraemeHindmarsh]

@@highlander200268 So, if as you say, "we only require meat", where do you get your vitamin C which is found exclusively in plants?

[@highlander200268]

@@GraemeHindmarsh oh my again ignorance... lets actualy spread some science.... we need micrograms of C, not that rdi bullshit that is not scientific.. there is c in every meat in the world. all of it has it... glucose and c molecule is very similar in structure, they both use insulin as a cell driver, when insulin is low ie carnivore, your body utlizes c a lot better than on a diet where insulin is high all the time ie vegan diet.. so yah to your question, every single meat in the entire world.

[@GraemeHindmarsh]

​@@highlander200268 Thank you! How many micrograms do we need? And how much meat would we need to consume to get the sufficient amount of vitamin C for maintenance of a healthy metabolism? Can you suggest any accredited studies where this is addressed? *actually *molecule

[@whatishappening2797]

I would love to see a comparison of two twins where one has been vegan for at least 6 years

[@Impulse_CDL]

Do you want him to be all skinny and malnourished lol

[@whatishappening2797]

@@Impulse_CDL No. That’s not at all what I said :D If you really still think that being vegan means being malnourished and too skinny, please look at Serena Williams, Louis Hamilton and Mike Tyson.

[@Impulse_CDL]

@@whatishappening2797 lol yeah right keep listening to the media

[@whatishappening2797]

@@Impulse_CDL I’m vegan myself and have been for the last 10 years now, and I’m healthy and strong - just to let you know that I’m not taking my info solely from outside sources. But I get the feeling you have a set opinion on this topic and aren’t open for new information. I wish you a pleasant and healthy life :)

[@ryanwellington7493]

​@@whatishappening2797so you're using elite athletes which are likely genetic outliers for your examples? There's also the fact they probably ate meat during their development and being world class athletes they've probably abused anabolic substances too excluding Hamilton

[@thegrinderman1090]

Breaking news: If you put effort into having a healthy diet, it doesn't matter whether you are vegan or eat meat. I am vegan and often tell people who think I'm 'being super healthy' that it isn't a factor. Go vegan for the ethical and environment reasons. I would be vegan even if it took a couple of years off my life.

[@johnnyboy6429]

Amen

[@thegrinderman1090]

@Jeff C It absolutely can be. There's a reason why the majority of elite athletes (who obviously have the best nutritionists) eat meat. It's a tried and tested way to be optimally healthy based on current science. That is not to say that all diets containing meat are healthy of course, the same way it would be ridiculous to say that all plant-based diets are healthy. More of these athletes and nutritionists are adopting a plant-based diet these days, because there is evidence to support it also being possible to be optimally healthy without animal products. If there was undeniable evidence that a plant-based diet was 'healthier' (a subjective term anyway) than a diet including meat, all top athletes would have already stopped eating meat. I would love for that to happen but we don't have the data to back that up yet.

[@thegrinderman1090]

@Jeff C When I said absolutely I meant based on current science. We could find out in the future that a vegan diet is strictly better, but that hasn't happened yet. As far as we know, it matters what you eat, not where you sourced it. So you think if I were to eat 1 gram of the highest quality chicken breast per day, I'm going to be less healthy than someone who ate that same amount of nutrients from plant sources? Even though that 1g of chicken doesn't cause a significant amount of negative side effects, e.g. inflammation. By saying that there is a black and white difference in 'healthiness' (again, not even a very useful term) between meat eaters and vegans, is you making an absolute claim where there isn't one. I guarantee most of the world's best nutritionists work for the world's best professional athletes. Why do you think you have better information than them? We will of course see a rise in veganism among athletes for several reasons, but what you're saying implies that in just a few years, almost all world records will be held by vegans. I say it implies this, because at the top level of any sport, the slightest advantage makes all the difference. If an optimal vegan diet gives an athlete a significantly improved performance over a meat eater, all serious athletes would become vegan. But that hasn't been proven, therefore it isn't happening. I have seen Game Changers and know of several vegan weightlifters on KZbin. I've been vegan for 6 years and have converted several people to veganism in that time. There are many reasons to be vegan. With the health argument, you can find compelling arguments on either side if that's what you search for. Seeing what top athletes do is a much better test of what's working. Again, that is not to say that a meat-eating athlete is healthier than a vegan one, just that if there is a difference between the two, it is not significant enough for people whose lifelong goal and place in the history books depend on the tiniest improvements, to make the switch.

[@thegrinderman1090]

@Jeff C And in response to your edit, the "breaking news" part was sarcasm.

[@sunmoon-84]

With cardiovascular disease and insulin resistance being the major contributors to mortality, then any diet that lowers cholesterol and improves insulin resistance is important overall, not necessarily on a day to day basis. This is a very important benefit of a WFPB diet.

[@franciscovegagonzalez9564]

The diet that works for me is eating a lot of organic eggs, wild fish, organic butter, organic meat, and also a lot of fruits and vegetables (but no grains and beans, I cannot digest them well, they give me a lot of gases). I dont eat any procesed food either. A small amount of hole rice and bread and only 2 meals at day. I am 53 and look much younger than my age and my weight is optimal and feel great.

[@thisisanfield7085]

I’ve been veggie for 5 years and non dairy for the last 3… I’m not completely vegan because I eat organic eggs. Family and friends always comment on how I’m looking younger as I age! I cook fresh daily and avoid processed food. Combined with regular exercise I feel healthier, fitter and stronger than I’ve ever felt before. I’m turning 50 next month. Do yourself and loved ones a favour, cut down on meat and dairy and eat more veggies.

[@konohaarchive150]

People say the same about me and I eat meat and dairy regularly. It’s nothing to do with your diet. Genetics determine aging.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

"avoid processed food" that's the point. It's the processed food that's the problem.

[@zakblue]

@Jeff C I went from eating a ketogenic diet to eating an all meat zero carb carnivore diet. After 3 months I lost 12kg total. I was already fairly lean, but at this weight i'm able to maintain strength at the gym and slowly improving my compound lifts that they are within 5% of my all time maximum. I feel fantastic, I eat quality sourced meat twice a day. Face looks much younger, eczema cleared up. Feel satiated always. So for me, I do much better without any plants.

[@kaminosystem]

Basically if you can be healthy on either diet, why not choose the way that doesn't involve directly paying for torture and death?

[@jsfueston1]

Well put, my friend.

[@kaseyford1490]

I went Vegan for a year in 2020 and now back to Vegetarian. I definitely find vegetarian to be easier to stick with and I feel comfortable and happier. You do what you feel most comfortable doing.

[@pamelaroyce5285]

I agree with you Kasey Ford. I'm lacto-ovo-piscitarian but I do all that I can to get my diary and eggs from as relatively humane sources as possible.

[@petewiggins]

@@pamelaroyce5285 diary and eggs is never humane

[@suetick1549]

@@petewiggins An egg from a happy pet chicken is perfectly humane. A spoiled chicken or two makes a great pet.

[@aethylwulfeiii6502]

Vegans are extreme it’s in denial of evolutionary superiority of lactase persistence and dairying.

[@RawFruitGuy]

Wish they did more athletic tests competing against each other and their baselines before diet change. Only a few months into veganism and I'm experiencing the best athletic performance of my life.

[@danielleclair1360]

Are you sure it isn't placebo? If you have peaked as an athlete its hard to get to a different barrier unless you change something. Usually this is training regime and/or diet. If you made a diet change and experienced a positive change maybe, its because you plateud and needed a much needed change and shock to your system. Im

[@MinhTuan-gn9xp]

@@danielleclair1360 placebo? he is an athelete and probably experienced hundred of placebos before.

[@Emma-uv8gq]

Hi Mr White Guy, glad to hear it! What kind of meat were you eating before?

[@aethylwulfeiii6502]

Observational studies are superior; and lactase persistence genes win out evolutionary. Multiple reasons, higher calcium and vitamin diet intake for lower fracture risks, proven. And also I would theorize that antibodies can be transferred from dairy to human.

[@anonymousperson6462]

​@@aethylwulfeiii6502no, randomized control trials are the gold standard. Observational at best shows association. Randomized control trials show causation.

[@tinawoodger9076]

Turning vegan has been one of the most incredible decisions I made for myself in my life. Knowing I am not contributing towards animal suffering already is so good for the mind and soul and I feel so much healthier. I had pretty severe issues with my stomach and digestion which has hugely improved since eating vegan. I think in the beginning transition you definitely support yourself with more processed foods as you need to adjust to different kinds of meals and cooking and once you're over it it's very easy to eat super healthily and get creative with all the beautiful different ingredients which you wouldn't have even considered eating before. I eat much more variety and more wholesome, delicious food than I did before. Super thankful veganism is becoming so normal

[@marcelatrujillo7257]

I totally agree with you!

[@Luc-1991]

I'm really interested in what kind of food you eat that makes no animal suffer.

[@tinawoodger9076]

@@Luc-1991 I don’t eat any food which contains animal products. Is there something I am missing? I’d love to know what other foods there might be which are causing animal suffering apart from the obvious…

[@Luc-1991]

@@tinawoodger9076 there is no food that doesn't cause suffering to animals as far as i know. You might want to check on how many animals get killed in horrific was by the crop protection industry.

[@mikepekala832]

You should watch lion king again. Notice no vegetables claim to be vegan grown? The fields are coated in manure, bone meal and animal blood to make the crops grow.

[@bammeldammel]

Would be interesting to know how long it takes for the gut bacteria to adapt properly to a change in diet, in this case from omnivor to vegan. My gut feeling is, that 12 weeks might not be enough and therefore the diversity is much lower after the change, which could increase on longer time scales. Unfortunately nutrition studies always have these difficulties, which is why proper scientific evidence on this scale is still quite rare.

[@kaylaharrop7639]

The lifespan of the microbes is very short so the microbiome changes very rapidly. Changes can occur I less than 24 hours

[@mikethats4thebirds600]

@@kaylaharrop7639 Yeh, but your body still has to detox from all the garbage in the meat & dairy, including the growth hormones, antibiotics, steroids and vaccines injected into the animals.

[@kaylaharrop7639]

@@mikethats4thebirds600 what does that have to do with my response?

[@Starchaser63]

With regards to the Gut / intestines etc, iliminating both wheat and Gluten is the best place to start..vegans eat a lot of foods containing wheat / gluten..whole foods is the way to go

[@matthewgonano636]

Ye too bad humans are carnivores

[@creationslandscapedesigns]

I have been vegan for 9 years (meatless for 14). I don't do the vegan meat subs and eat low carb. The amount of energy and overall better physical feeling I have is awesome in comparison to the when I was eating meat. I will say however that I believe that going vegan gradually in the span of a months rather than cold turkey is a better way to allow your body to adjust to the change.

[@EinSofQuester]

Cold turkey was the first thing you gave up?

[@creationslandscapedesigns]

@@EinSofQuester haha what I was trying to say was that I didn't become vegan cold turkey. I did it gradually over a few months

[@EinSofQuester]

@@creationslandscapedesigns It's impossible to be vegan with cold turkey.

[@ccrider3435]

100%, you no longer OBEY and COMPLY to a food pyramid scheme. TBH: The hardest part of being Vegan is realizing you're surrounded by arrogant idiots, who belong in diapers..

[@anthonyvocke8957]

I had dreams about eating meat when I first went plant-based, lol. It was pretty weird. You definitely have more energy, being in the Army and working out constantly I noticed on the 3rd day that my physical endurance and recovery increased quite a bit. I noticed that my body dealt with physical injury better too, way less inflammation and recovery time again was better.

[@simonpeggboard4004]

If you went on a meat only diet you would improve even more.

[@aymenribellarsi6686]

@M J Faulkner The Inuit, Nenets of Siberia , the Hadza tribe of Tanzania

[@raheemallen2003]

Alert📢 A Sunday Law Which will be The Mark Of The Beast when enforce by law, Those that keep Gods seventh day sabbath will be prohibited from buying and sell and persecuted. Jesus is coming are you ready?

[@angie7010-dp5sl]

How can you be vegan in the army ?

[@Magnulus76]

I eat a plant-based diet and if I was still eating meat, exercise would be unbearable in terms of soreness. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia in my 30's. Now I can do alot more exercise nearly every day.

[@geoffreylevens9045]

There are excellent versions of vegan diet and toxic, destructive versions. Same with meat diets. From the images shown it appeared that the vegan diet was all whole, minimally processed foods while the "meat diet" contained a lot of refined carbs and other junk food.

[@winniepeg8393]

Soya protein contains a lot of aluminium because it's washed in aluminium vats of acid 😱 All plant based protein powder contains large amounts of mercury and other heavy metals There is lots of arsenic cadmium all sorts of crap in the skins of vegetables especially sweet potato carrot and potatoes, the scary thing is people feed their dogs vegan, potatoes and legumes cause dilated cardiomyopathy in dogs 😭

[@cagey1415]

Well said

[@DavidMartin-ly5li]

Exactly! I noticed this too. The trial had an unhealthy processed food diet with meat Vs healthy vegan. Do it again with a healthy diet with meat and give the vegan the processed foods! These trials are irrelevant when they put other biases into the trial. It’s like they have a pre-conceived outcome that they want to achieve.

[@tash_g]

I noticed that from the images but they mentioned that vegans are also at the risk of eating highly processed foods.

[@sergiupetrescu3659]

Yes sir!

[@sgilmour47]

I went vegan 4 years ago as an experiment and my acne cleared within a week, I lost excess weight, and my energy levels and digestion improved. People kept commenting how good I looked! I ended up sticking with it and 4 years later my bloods came back perfectly healthy and I'm no longer calling myself an animal lover while paying to kill 6 month old animals kept in dark sheds. It's also drastically better for the environment. The estimated impact of eating meat every day costs 1 animal life, 1,100 gallons of water, 40 pounds of grain, 30 sq ft of forest, and 20 lbs CO2. Every day you’re a vegan saves the equivalent.

[@snasnusnaba3361]

Interesting how different we all are. I got acne on a vegan diet and it dissappeared when I started to eat lots of meat after 5 years of veganism. My body does not like legumes, excess fiber, etc. And Phytoestrogens were causing hormonal acne.

[@hamsterbrigade]

Did your caloric intake go down after you went vegan?

[@teddywellness]

@@hamsterbrigade of course it did, otherwise she wouldn’t have lost weight. But the thing is that you can eat a much higher volume of vegetables until you reach your calorie goal in comparison to a standard omnivore diet. This probably won’t work if you eat a lot of oil or only processed vegan alternatives. But most of the time becoming vegan makes people think about what they eat and they choose healthier options than they did before and this very often leads to weight loss, especially when you are overweight

[@ryanwargo1073]

Im glad you got rid of your acne. While I agree factory farming is bad for everyone involved, regular farms are good and hunting is good. Also the ethical argument is really dumb. Far more animals had to die just to get your kale salad. Also shooting a animal is much more humane than letting it get eaten by animals or die of a horrible sickness. At the end of the day regardless of what diet you choose I wont judge you so dont judge me.

[@renatofabbro5263]

@@ryanwargo1073 Such stupid arguments you make, especially the one claiming that far more animals die to get kale salad, which is of course flat out nonsense. If we used your "logic" of it being more humane to shoot animals instead of letting them get eaten by other animals or die of sickness, then why don't we simply go and shoot all of them so that there's no wildlife left? Nature would balance itself if not for man's interference. Also, we're supposed to be the more intelligent species, so we have the choice to evolve. While certain animal species are strictly carnivorous, we don't need meat to survive.

[@ourmine2349]

Never felt better since I turned vegan, I remember telling myself I'd never go vegan, but my only regret it not going vegan sooner

[@Emily12341326]

I think every vegan regrets not doing it sooner lol.

[@celestesullivan303]

I have been vegan 8 years and it has completely transformed my life. Energy and mood is the biggest difference. The passion I have to accomplish my goals is the highest it's been in my life. I should mention I used to eat S.A.D. and now I eat whole food plant based with not too many processed foods. It's good to remember it doesn't have to be all or nothing to work either. You can choose to eat more plant-based meals and find immense benefits even if you are not strictly veg. as this video demonstrates.

[@Bottleofwater-n5y]

Do you have any suggestions to share for when It comes to be a college student Who can't afford much for food and has to stay on a budget for a vegan diet?

[@celestesullivan303]

@@Bottleofwater-n5y yes! Eat simple, and buy in bulk. Beans, whole grains are cheap in bulk. Go to farmers markets im summer or have a plot at a community garden for free food! Eat seasonally for cheaper and more nutritious food. Start with one new recipe every few weeks to slowly build up your pantry and recipe repitore. Think about how much more expensive it is to be sick and in and out of doctors than to eat healthy. You can do it!

[@heyzeus6149]

Wife and I started vegan lifestyle Jan 1st 2022 excited to live healthier for our sake and our kids’. Actually a lot easier than I thought and I’m excited to live a longer (god willing) and healthier life hopefully setting an example for those around me :)

[@winniepeg8393]

It's not healthy at all the old people that's alive now have eaten meat,we are Human,come on use your brains 🙄

[@hondo_archipelago]

That's great! Good for you both. Bringing in the new year with positive changes.

[@vamsiacharya2099]

@@winniepeg8393 That is by far the most ignorant statement to make without backing with any evidence. If your only argument is that your elders ate meat then I hail from a family of traditional vegetarians that haven't for generations (probably a millennia). Our nearest biological cousins, Primates-with the exception of Chimpanzees-primarily incorporate vegetarian diet with sporadic meat eating from invertebrates that, I believe, constitutes less than 1% of their diet. The argument here is not whether one should eat meat or not. It is whether meat is "necessary" for our sustenance and the answer is thumping "NO".

[@winniepeg8393]

you feed your kids vegan then that can be seen as abuse people have gone to prison for that, Google kids fed a strict vegan diet 😭

[@winniepeg8393]

@@vamsiacharya2099 Confusing fact with ignorance

[@DavidJones-ct7fw]

If people put the same time and energy into an omnivorous diet they'd be just as healthy as any vegan it not about meat or vegetables it about thinking before you eat.

[@weme11]

Yes. From that test it was clear that the vegan was eating from a particularly good diet whereas the meat eater just gone for all the processed food he could find. Anything consuming in a balanced way that is fresh, non-processed is a good diet. And it is always better to alternate the type of food you intake.

[@PranavSettaluri]

Omnivore diet itself is processed. What are you on about? Do you where and how your meat comes from?

[@jaybingham3711]

@@PranavSettaluri Numerous plant and fruit products are highly processed. Factory farmed. You're just as hard pressed to account for issues.

[@skrimper]

@@PranavSettaluri it's not processed you tard, yes the meat is cut up and processed but that's not the same as unhealthy processed foods. That's referring to stuff with inner additives and ingredients. You can have an unprocessed type of any diet.. just dont eat junk

[@highlander200268]

first, we should never mix macros ever, randle cycle... we are hypercarnivore, science says this, we have no requirement nor need for any plant material in our diet at any given time

[@dianawalker9320]

Awesome ! I've been vegan for 8-9 years and Im healthier now then ever . Also I am sick way less often and for shorter lengths of time. Cant complain really.

[@senior_java]

I was a vegan. Now I'm back to meat. This time only organic highest quality meat and organic dairy, eggs. I don't see any problems. My body and mind love it. No problems at all.

[@geemoney830]

Good for you. I eat high quality animal products and feel great.

[@m0L3ify]

Ditto

[@sonjawalkerreactionscommen3501]

@@senior_java Same here.

[@sonjawalkerreactionscommen3501]

@@geemoney830 Same here.

[@CeravvvEgan]

I’ve been whole food plant based vegan for 6 years and loving it. I’m a keen gym goer and I do a lot of outdoor activities- my energy levels are high, I sleep well and my stress/anxiety levels seem to be lower. This is of course my experience based on 36 years as an omnivore and 6 as a vegan. I’m not going back to eating, wearing or using any animal products ever again, unless I turn into a cave man or get stranded on a desert island 😅🤭

[@sandralutz-rodriguez2864]

good for you! Same here never ever will I wear or eat anything animal

[@CeravvvEgan]

@@sandralutz-rodriguez2864 it’s a great lifestyle 😊 💚

[@sandralutz-rodriguez2864]

@@CeravvvEgan best ever! and the only way to be truly kind and honest

[@janieswanson2549]

"I’m not going back to eating, wearing or using any animal products ever again," Why do you currently use animal products needlessly while claiming to be vegan? Seems a bit contradictory...

[@CeravvvEgan]

@@janieswanson2549 I’m not going back to not being vegan. I’ve been vegan for 6.5 years and not going back. Does that make sense? Not sure how else to explain it.

[@leelindsay5618]

I think this would have been more interesting to see the difference with Keto vs vegan. That would be a more fair comparison as they would have similarly less processed foods.

[@donwinston]

Keto and other low carb diets are for idiots.

[@donwinston]

Keto is for idiots.

[@Corbeauxx]

keto diet is just a fad which causes serious side effects and damage to liver and kidneys if done for extended periods of time.

[@donwinston]

@@Corbeauxx Yes. You have to be a moron to let some quack convince you that fruit, beans, rice, bread, corn, pasta, potatoes, and cereals like oatmeal and bran flakes are unhealthy.

[@thegrinderman1090]

There are plenty of processed vegan foods, processed animal foods, and processed keto foods though. The amount of processed food you eat is up to your specific choices, not the broad parameters of the diet you're on.

[@mjj718]

Been on WFPB diet for over 2 months now due to my total cholesterol and LDL are both elevated. Re-tested my blood work after 2 months of being on a plant based diet. Amazingly total cholesterol from 274 to 189 and LDL 188 to 113.

[@robinjames7967]

“dr” Eric berg says cholesterol is good for you lol he is a failed chiropractor after all … he would know

[@ryanwellington7493]

only looking at LDL cholesterol is a very simple minded and outdated method. You also have to look at fasting insulin, A1C, CRP, HDL and triglycerides. There are just as many people with low LDL that have heart disease as people with high LDL, it's multifactorial due to how metabolic processes interact with eachother.

[@VeganShmeegan]

I love how at the end- they say that they are basically equal. However, veganism was better in every markable way. Lower cholesterol, lower body fat percentage, more sustainable energy, lower cancer markers... but it's essentially the same. Sounds like it's not the same and they were afraid to admit that one was better than the other

[@TheePrettyGirlSwag]

Ketovore & loving it. Less than 20 carbs a day. Everything feels better. So easy to shop. Simplified menu.

[@dylanwhitesockswatson]

So awesome to see so many Vegans in the comments sharing their positive experiences. I went vegan a bit more than 5 years ago for the animals and for the environment as well. But after all these years all I can think of regarding my health is positive. Lots of energy, way better digestion and I'm slowly moving away from the processed foods. And as a lot of you mentioned a significant drop in cholesterol and increased resistance to type 2 diabetes is definitely a big difference. It was quite a weird conclusion.

[@chrissugg6781]

You’re still killing millions of animals and heavily polluting the planet. I wish people would stop pushing this absolute lie. I’ve been vegan for six months, managed to not become a hypocrite in the process.

[@dylanwhitesockswatson]

@@chrissugg6781 brooooo wtf ? 😂going from eating tons of meat to fully vegan is a big improvement. I do not kill millions of animals and my impact on the environnement is still smaller than if I kept being a meat eater. Are you gonna yell at every human being like that ? This is ridiculous 😂

[@chrissugg6781]

@@dylanwhitesockswatson Yell? Lol exactly what makes you think I was yelling when typing out your hypocrisy lmao. Leave it to a vegan to be an emotional twat lmao. Your lifestyle kills millions of animals every single year from cropping, that same cropping and transport adds just as much pollution as factory farming to the atmosphere, lol how dense are you kid? I replied directly to your lies in your comment, you are either ignorant of the actual truth about the "vegan lifestyle" or you chose to ignorant and then lie in an effort to pat your own back. Oh no did I yell again in a textual format lmfao, mental clarity is certainly at a loss when eating nothing but processed vegan replacements. You'll live about as long as the McDonalds frequent flyer.

[@mikethats4thebirds600]

@@chrissugg6781 Why bother to lie and claim you're a "vegan"? Apparently your guilt makes you act and think like an angry psycho. That and your colon full of polyps from eating flesh.

[@dylanwhitesockswatson]

@@mikethats4thebirds600 Couldn't have said it better. Don't even know why I bothered replying. :')

[@stanleyjonescaravans]

We as a family went Vegan 3 years ago. Myself, My Wife and 3 young children. Its the best decision we have ever made. If you can make time to plan, we find its less expensive also and we are eating much more of a variety of meals to what we did before.

[@aarti6330]

Hey how are you dealing with friends who are not vegan? We are vegetarians and all of our friends are meat eaters. We never express any opinions about our or their dietary choices but I think they feel that we are depriving our 4 yr old child of nutrition. I can deal with this but i worry about my child because All of her friends eat a lot of meat. How are your children dealing with this ?

[@larryllama5225]

@Stanley Yes, it's so ironic that people think they'll be deprived without meat & dairy, when I actually discovered a whole new world of food I was ignoring! My freezer, fridge and pantry are jam-packed...

[@larryllama5225]

@@aarti6330 As a vegetarian, the cow's milk is loaded with carcinogenic growth hormones and animal hormones, pus, blood, and lots of suffering for the mother cow and baby. I suggest you watch the new video on Joey Carbstrong channel: "White Gold: Dairy's Sinister Untold Story." There's tons of plant milk products using oat, rice, almond, cashew, hemp, spelt, quinoa, flaxseed, walnuts, etc. And once you get your child off dairy also, she'll be a role model of health and vitality with a Whole Foods Plant-Based Diet, all the proof your friends need.

[@B727X]

Poor kids lol

[@jeanmartin963]

child abuse. There are no social services in your area ?

[@koleyw932]

I went vegan 2 months ago. I lost 10 pounds, my blood sugar went down, cholesterol too. People warn me about getting enough proteins, but I feel full of energy, better than I used to. I only wish I’d done this years ago.

[@StephBer1]

Some people, like myself, can't have a vegan diet. 30 years ago I went vegan for a year. I felt ok for the first 3 months or so but then I started to feel average but I thought it was just my body adjusting. I was slowly getting sicker and then one day I ended up in hospital struggling to breathe. Turns out I have an allergy, although not acute, to mushrooms, which is very heavy in vegan diets, and I became allergic to wheat, yeast, mushrooms, fermented foods, and the list goes on. I wasn't allergic to them before. I had to rebuild my food tree, so to speak, and because of my allergies I'm on a meat and plain veg diet now. Now that we know about the gut biome, I think it had something to do with it, and I'm on a waiting list to see a specialist about it. Just don't stay on a special diet if you're feeling bad

[@missyo1283]

Yes when I went vegan it was a really beautiful time, you feel energised and alive and you strta to notice a difference in your skin and mind, but then I fell pregnant and needed meat looool I literally thought I couldn't starve my body at this point because essentially that's what I had been doing for two years prior

[@TheePrettyGirlSwag]

Exactly don’t be so dogmatic. I’m ketovore. I primarily eat meat only but I do have an avocado in moderation and I like my berry bowl mixed with strawberries, blueberries with some butter, walnuts. I top it off with a little zero sugar chocolate syrup when I want a treat of Fridays. The lbs have been melting away.

[@accountreality1988]

i tried a vegan diet never again. humans need a balanced diet of both meat and plant-based food to function properly that is reality.

[@gotbrain3333]

I find it amusing that even when they try not to directly support plant based diets, it's still apparent that plant based is superior. lmao "Results were not that disparate" and yet Hugo's cholesterol improved, his resistance to type 2 diabetes increased, his obesity level dropped, and his energy improved. And when you take into account that those are just the immediate benefits, it becomes insane how the general public still denies the truth.

[@Kate-zl3zl]

And of course we should start considering the impact of our diet behind taste, vanity, health and convenience. Health is important, of course, but a plant-based diet has been more than vindicated as healthful (in fact vegans are the only group on average with healthy BMI, a wfpb diet is the only one proven to prevent, halt and reverse heart disease...) and there's the environment, the animals, world hunger, pandemics...to consider.

[@winniepeg8393]

Short-term benefits that's all 😱

[@winniepeg8393]

Two-thirds of people in hospital with anorexia and eating disorders are vegan or vegetarian 🙄

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

You may eat seeds whilst the leaders who tell you how bad eating meat is, eat delicious steaks.

[@DM-nw5lu]

@@winniepeg8393 You can say that about any diet that restricts group foods. The reason why there's a correlation isn't veganism or vegetarianism but the fact that people with EDs gravitate towards any restrictive diet. Keto diets also correlate with EDs. The reason they have an ED isn't veganism. You're being purposefully reductionist to vilify diets that are 100% sustainable and healthy so long as one's main goal isn't loosing weight and so long as one gets all their macro and micro nutrients.

[@garethedwards5159]

I was vegan for 18 months, and whilst a big improvement from a standard western diet (to be honest, ANY diet is an improvement on that) but had to reluctantly ditch it as it was causing havoc with my digestive system in the end. Shame as I did enjoy it. Been on a whole food (mostly) targeted low carb (sometimes keto if I'm particularly inactive, and if I'm very active I'll up the carbs. I basically adjust the rough level of carbs based on how active I am) for 18 months now, and for me it's a better diet than vegan overall, as you're not missing out on any vital vitamins or minerals (B12 etc), and it seems to have helped resolve a number of health issues that I've been experiencing for the past 5 years (joint pain mainly).

[@stariadreamtea]

I had a similar experience. I was Vegan for 5yrs and really wanted to stick with it. Got advice from naturopath, dietician and 3 doctors but couldn't make it work. I felt so relieved when I added eggs and dairy. I tried that for a while and gave me a lot of what my body was missing. Eggs are amazing. Then I added chicken for about 2 years. Recently I have started eating Salmon after 7yrs off fish. I feel like I have all I need now. I added things slowly back until I felt right. I won't be adding anything else and I'm glad as I really, really feel uncomfortable eating cows, especially pigs as they remind me of dogs. So glad I didn't need to add them back. The only thing now is that when I was vegan a few things improved as well as things getting worse. I've tried to keep the things that worked for me from that diet, but I admit once we had access to easier sources of protein etc was less likely to cook elaborate things like cauliflower steaks, nutritional yeast dishes and eggplant. Ate a lot of eggplant and even mushroom.

[@garethedwards5159]

@ROOM312 The opinion of a half wit like you doesn't matter to me

[@dominickcalabrese3860]

I was vegan for 4 years, had digestive issues, pretty clean Vegan too. Whole Foods plant based. I reintroduced eggs, meat, and ghee and found a noticeable strength increase and much better recovery in training. Everything in moderation is usually the key

[@JohnJesus]

Would like to see vegetarian/vegan VS high-fat / low-carb diet (keto)

[@oholmes1701]

It is easy to see, vegans look about 10yrs younger with smooth skin and keto users look like sweaty pigs with high blood pressure and a glossy finish :D However rather than 'see' it's easier to smell, a toliet post-vegan visit you can barely detect, a keto user, you will be glad of any hazmat materials.

[@JohnJesus]

@@oholmes1701 let me know when your belief of being superior is revealed to be just an illusion

[@oholmes1701]

@@JohnJesus Easy way of telling if someone thinks they're superior - they tell people what to do.

[@JohnJesus]

@@oholmes1701 you're the one telling people to go vegan... The irony...

[@oholmes1701]

@@JohnJesus Hmm, odd accusation, having never told anyone to go vegan here or elsewhere.

[@AlienYogurtPot123]

I've heard that the carnivore diet, also does the exact same thing. So I guess it depends on how your body response too it. Eliminating plant toxins and antinutrients. Weight loss. Improved insulin sensitivity. Improved gut health. Improved heart health. Reduced inflammation. Increased testosterone and libido. Increased mental clarity.

[@danielhope2924]

it would be interesting to transfer gut biome from each to the other during these same diets and see if that makes any changes in the outcome.

[@sally1269]

Interesting question. I would guess that the gut biome would adapt to its new environment pretty quickly. You need to keep feeding it food to help maintain diversity in its gut biome.

[@BaptistJoshua]

Red wine?!?!? If you want reservatrol, just drink grape juice. That way the alcohol does not damage your heart and body.

[@moneyhoon5044]

"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control."

[@ItachiUchiha-gf4fz]

However this doesn't really meant for everyone. For thousands of years we've been eating meet and taking that out to our diet is not far from being beneficial. Even fruit and plants have their downsides when it comes to diet, yes it's true that we need the nutrients coming from plants as this is very essential. Tho, not every plants cannot be tolerated by others like nuts and plants can't produce Vitamin B12 which is essential for the blood. Every food when taken moderately can help you to live a longer life(theoretically). Even plants when taken excessively can be problematic.

[@moneyhoon5044]

@@ItachiUchiha-gf4fz While humans are technically able to eat meat (due to our impressive evolutionary ability to adapt and survive), we are anatomically herbivores. Humans have intestines characteristic of herbivores, not carnivores. Why? Because meat consumption has been only occasional for most of the world over the past millennia. This is why the body responds negatively to high amounts of animal proteins. It is simply a statistical (and biological) fact. Look it up. You say that plants can't produce vitamin B12? Animals can't produce B12 either. Livestock are given B12 supplements so that humans can absorb it when we eat their dead bodies. It is much more efficient to take a B12 supplement directly rather than going through an animal. I should also mention that there are some plants (such as nori seaweed), that contain vitamin B12.

[@danielk3919]

@@ItachiUchiha-gf4fz This is a bs argument.

[@ItachiUchiha-gf4fz]

@@moneyhoon5044 quite interesting 🤔. There's so much stuff to learn. Short length intestines are mainly carnivores and humans adapted to eating meat over the time. [A polite question] since you've said survival, doesn't this means that because of the adaptability then those people whose diet are mainly meat for hundred of years would adapt to macros and nutrients found in animals like the B vitamins and high amount of proteins? In the colder area of the world where plants can't survive and their only option is fish and polar bears to eat, their body would metabolize the meat product better and the amount of macros or other necessary things needed for survival will adjust differently those who leaves in the tropics. Well, I think I should delve more into anatomy and physiology. Come to think of it, conversation like this makes me more interested on studying medicine and become a Doctor, lol. The human body is such a fascinating machinery to learn.

[@ItachiUchiha-gf4fz]

@@danielk3919 then don't read it. It wasn't meant for you anyway. Besides, how is it "BS" if I'm stating the fact that meat eaters diet have some benefits to them and some have an allergy to legumes. Where are they going to get their daily intake of proteins, force them to eat nuts? Just like I said that anything eaten appropriately can have beneficial in health and they can live a long life.

[@FractalZero]

I've been vegan for nearly 3 years. I ride my fixie in my hilly city most days, I skateboard several hours a week, I can dance to techno for 10 hours at a rave at least once a month. I've never had more energy in all my life. I have more energy now at 31 than nearly every one of my friends in their early 20s. I eat twice a day, usually something like Huel around midday, then a full cooked meal around 8pm, though chips/fries is basically a food group for me lol. I was low in Iron and B12, however was v easily sorted, and most food is fortified now anyway. I indulge in snacks (crisps, usually savoury stuff) most days, maybe have a couple of cans of cola per week though am generally averse to sugar, and drink equivalent to a bottle of wine in a week though i've fallen out of love with alcohol in a big way (by far the worst drug going). My skin is amazing, my musculoskeletal is perfect aside from the injuries I cause myself.

[@EinSofQuester]

Careful about taking ecstasy at those raves you go to.

[@kaylisousa9464]

I’ve been vegan for 3 years. Every since I turned vegan my bloods finally started to come out perfect. I have sustained energy throughout the day, I don’t have to workout a lot to stay lean and fit. My skin and hair are thriving. Everything is better ❤️

[@janieswanson2549]

You're not vegan. You use animal products. No need to lie to push your narrative.

[@kaylisousa9464]

@@janieswanson2549 says who? Who are you and how do you know me? 🤣

[@janieswanson2549]

@@kaylisousa9464 "says who?" Facts. "Who are you and how do you know me?" I don't need to know you to know you use animal products. You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment. You lied. Are you denying the fact you use animal products? Yes or No...

[@kaylisousa9464]

@@janieswanson2549 how do you know what I eat and what products I use? 🤣

[@janieswanson2549]

@@kaylisousa9464 So you can't answer a simple "yes or no" question? If you're not intelligent enough to do that then I guess you can't handle more complicated information. Thanks for confirming you're a liar pretending to be vegan.

[@sypin]

I went plant-based a year ago. So far, my cholesterol went down, my leg grew back and my cat came back to life. I’ve never looked back since

[@FigaroHey]

Ah, but did you get your pickup truck back?

[@HYDROCARBON_XD]

Oh and your crush started loving you?

[@austindobbins8957]

If eating processed plant alternatives is as bad as processed meat, why is ONLY processed meat a recognized carcinogen?

[@thumbsocial6754]

Fake news. Too much spinach will kill you quicker than bacon. Fact.

[@Assassin99584]

Nice lies

[@pbworld7858]

Because processed meats contain sodium nitrite.

[@zzzqou]

@@thumbsocial6754 Cringe.

[@f.remplakowski]

To be fair they have only been around as abundantly as they are recently and they have the same corporate interests as meat production so I think suppressing the dangers of certain edible products is going to be an ongoing thing.

[@bruceboome]

I think we should differentiate between vegan and whole-food plant-based. After all, Twinkies and Coke is a vegan diet. 7 years ago I ended up in a hospital and after every high-priced test known to man, only one result came back positive- diabetes. My doctor had the good sense to refer me to an endocrinologist. She didn't want to put me on medication and told me to return in 3 months- but without giving me any directions. Doctor Google led me to the whole-food plant-based diet (I'd been lacto vegetarian since 1970) and 3 months later my test came back negative. I lost 20 kilos, lowered my blood pressure, and the symptoms that put me in hospital disappeared. My weight has remained stable since then, and at 76 I'm still in good health.. I realize that I'm only one person, but if you research plant-based doctors you will find that my experience is replicated consistently..

[@nicolathomas5125]

I thought twinkies were cakes. Don't they contain egg? If they are suitable for vegans, can you send me some to the UK? 😁

[@jlcollins14]

Twinkies contain animal shortening and eggs. They're not vegan. Sorry, try again.

[@bruceboome]

@@jlcollins14.Haha, thanks for that. Fortunately, I would rather cut my leg off than eat a Twinkie. But the idea still holds true. It's quite possible to have a terrible vegan diet.

[@monkeyman321]

@@bruceboome Oreos, French Fries and Coke are vegan.

[@NinjaWarriorDude416]

I was pescatarian for like a couple months. I got joint pain, lost weight..lower energy. Went back to my meat diet and I felt better again. I was training MMA 4 days a week and weight traing 4 times a week. Meat is my friend.

[@ChickpeatheTortie]

.... and now you have reverted back to being a walking talking graveyard

[@HALFBREEDMUGEN]

@@ChickpeatheTortie yup

[@jaketoffen2454]

Same.

[@mridhulml9238]

@@ChickpeatheTortie why u picking on him for wanting to eat meat? Respect people's choices yooo

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

I also experimented with vegan foods back in the day, that simply isn't for everybody. I think it has something to do with genetics, since there're popularions who are really vegetarians and are healthy, and carnivores who are healthy as well.

[@geraldbrienza4474]

I’m a flexatarian. That with exercise and fasting, has kept me in excellent health ((70+) years now.

[@amany247]

No god but Allah Islam way for peace and real monotheist Search about the truth with honest heart

[@geraldbrienza4474]

@@amany247 bull 💩

[@sixfoursoul2538]

That’s what I’m thinking. I think the truth of summer in the middle I think just be a majority plant-based diet and every now and then have some lean meat

[@henrytang2203]

We need an apples to apples comparison. Whole foods vegan vs whole foods omnivore vs whole foods carnivore. No added sugars, no processed grain products, no industrial seed oils. All these should beat the standard US/UK/AU diet; but to differing extents. I'm on paleo at the moment.

[@LiveLifeLori]

You’ll see cholesterol even in whole foods meat eater that you wouldn’t see in whole foods plant based. Cholesterol leads to blocked arteries which leads to heart disease and stroke. There’s zero cholesterol in plants.

[@henrytang2203]

@@LiveLifeLori Most of our body's cholesterol is produced endogenously. We need it for rebuilding parts of our body. When I transitioned from plant based to meat based, my cholesterol barely changed. Cholesterol only binds to arteries when the inner lining is damaged by high blood sugar.

[@JoanKSX]

It would be interesting to switch again between the twins to verify the hypothesis. Like just now A was plant-based, and B was meat-based, then after the whole course, switch A to meat-based and B to plant-based to see whether it varies greatly or almost the same expected outcome

[@missyo1283]

You would of believed they would had done that to be certain, considering what they was saying about everyone has different levels even identical twins

[@aethylwulfeiii6502]

Vegetarians vs vegans is more interesting. Veganism is a bit extreme. Ooatmilk and almond milk will never be able to transfer antibodies the way dairy products probably do.

[@JoanKSX]

@@aethylwulfeiii6502 Why you need foreign antibodies? When I do my work and studies especially in blood transfusion issue, different antibodies present in donors' blood trigger deadly immune response of recipients and a high risk death rate in recipients! I would not want to get incompatible blood transfusion even I'm in a bad situation that need blood transfusion! I guess it's almost the same in food, that's why nowadays so many autoimmune disorder!

[@anonymousperson6462]

Meat good not inflammatory

[@_theplantkiller]

I ate a whole food meat diet my first 30 years of life and have been eating a whole food plant based diet for 4.5. I no longer struggle with chronic fatigue, I feel more mental clarity, I have significantly less inflammation where I’ve struggled with injuries. I wish I did this forever ago.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

I ate a standard garbage diet for the first 37 years of my life and have been eating an animal-products-only diet for 5. I would rather die than go back to how miserable I was on plants.

[@_theplantkiller]

@@BigSlimyBlob anything after a garbage diet will seem life saving. Glad you found what works for you!

[@maikwasilewski3721]

Im a 25 year old vegan powerlifter, been vegan since i was 18. My strenght just trippled in these few years, ive been feeling healthier and if i get sick, its only for 3 days max. Even when i got covid i was only sick for a day. I miss meat, but there are so many better alternatives that taste the same. Im not regretting it

[@miromoves2472]

Nice!

[@bmc9504]

Lies.

[@jimmyhyun8546]

OK but your strength could have tripled in the last few years because you simply got stronger from hard training, plus your body grew into adulthood.

[@TehKaiser]

Fake meat sucks. This clip didn't mention that the vegan twin lost his libido.

[@naraendrareddy273]

@@jimmyhyun8546 Thats not false, but it's the feeling of strength that matters. The mental health improves a lot.

[@plantpoweredpear3688]

Being Vegan feels amazing!! Not just through your health, just knowing you're not causing unnecessary suffering and death to innocent animals!!

[@plantpoweredpear3688]

@Happy Carnivore you're not a carnivore, bro. You don't eat raw meat unseasoned. Keep seasoned your meat with herbs and spices aka plants to make them taste good!

[@plantpoweredpear3688]

@Happy Carnivore you don't eat raw unseasoned meat. For the full experience, go outside and catch a rabbit or a squirrel and eat the whole thing raw, brains and all. If you can't do that , you're not a carnivore it's that simple. We cook meat to make it soft like plants because our teeth can't handle tough meat and we add herbs and spices to make it taste good. The meat you buy at the shop comes from the flesh of a BABY animal because the meat is soft and tender, we can't chew animals when they get to adulthood

[@plantpoweredpear3688]

@Happy Carnivore we're not omnivore but it doesn't matter if we are or not. There's no benefit or necessity to eating meat. You may choose not to go vegan but the price of animal products are only going to rise and rise when more and more people realise that eating animal products are bad so you're not going to be able to afford it in the future. And yeah it is meant to pull on heart strings, because most people care about animals and don't want to cause suffering onto them hence why veganism is becoming more and more popular

[@plantpoweredpear3688]

@Happy Carnivore you're going to have to change your name to the hungry carnivore when prices off animal products become unaffordable

[@plantpoweredpear3688]

@Happy Carnivore do you really think the rising meat production in third world countries is a good thing? A billion people on India and more in China? The amount of resources needed to feed and water the animals in order to feed an extra 2 billion is t possible. There's going to be 10 billion people by 2050. A meat based diet simply isn't possible to feed everyone. There's already a billion starving people in the world because the land that can grow food is all used to grow grain and other crops for first world meat

[@CEarthling]

Going Vegan was one of the best decision of my life.& the Peace that you are no more contributing for the plight of animals can't be expressed in words.

[@Hugh.G.Rectionx]

yet youre happy to wear cotton. the cotton industry causes more animal deaths than if you were to eat meat

[@Hugh.G.Rectionx]

@Vegan Pete you can eat meat without supporting agriculture though. hunt your own. i dont have statistincs for the cotton industries that supply for the clothing that i see every vegan wearing but i am 100% sure they cause more animal deaths than hunting your own meat. hypocrites.

[@Hugh.G.Rectionx]

@Vegan Pete everytime i bring this up a vegan resorts to mentioning farming practices and i never get an honest insight into how they can justify wearing farmed cotton and yet be against eating self hunted meat.

[@Hugh.G.Rectionx]

@Vegan Pete im not a vegan. im perfectly content in eating animals.

[@Hugh.G.Rectionx]

@Vegan Pete any vegan ive seen doesnt wear ethical clothing though. and i highly doubt you do

[@Kuro_Reaper]

When I first turned vegeterian I was super unhealthy, living pretty much only on sugar and junk food because I didn't like fruits or veg/I didn't like the way my parents cooked the veg. Now as an adult, I have learnt to cook veg in different ways and add seasoning to make it better. Having a range of recipees really helps being healthy; I think for all diets, and I am happy with my diet now. I also feel a lot healthier now. Also being aware that not all non-meat meats are healthy and knowing what foods can give what nutrition is really important because most vegeterians and vegans lack iron and vitamin b12.

[@larsonpark3819]

As far as getting optimal nutrients on a vegan diet, it's pretty simple: all nutrients come from plants. Animals don't produce amino acids, fatty acids or minerals (protein, omegas, calcium, iron, etc). They get them from plants and so can we, easily and in their purest form. For B-12 (a fermented plant bacteria) we can get it from multiple sources, but just taking a B Complex a few time a week is the best bet. For Omega-3, I just put flaxseed in my smoothies, and romaine lettuce is also a good source. Iron -- Leafy greens, peanuts, etc. The bottom line is humans do not need nor benefit from a single bite of meat, eggs or dairy.

[@mikethats4thebirds600]

​@@larsonpark3819 I went vegan back in the late '80s and none of this B12 deficiency fear porn was around. I never worried about it and I still don't. I'm meeting more & more long-term vegans who never took any synthetic supplements which are toxic. The body recognizes it as a drug. Plus the bacteria comes from gross places like sewage & dairy waste.

[@nonenone2669]

@@larsonpark3819 I thought the omega 3's in plants or seeds are not in the form that humans need. Only animal-based omega 3's are in the form that humans need.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@mikethats4thebirds600 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while acting like you're against it? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.

[@larsonpark3819]

@@nonenone2669 I have never even heard that claim, let alone seen it as a valid statement. In 9yrs as a vegan, I have read many studies from nutritional science professionals, published in peer-reviewed medical journals, and there is a growing consensus that a purely plant-based diet, if properly planned and varied, is perfectly suitable and nourishing for all people, of every demographic. And anecdotally, I personally know several people who have been vegan for over 20yrs and are in excellent health and their blood tests are all in line.

[@Lifeskeyishappiness]

4:59 a vegan diet is healthier, also no cruelty for the animals and better for the environment, end of debate

[@His-Most-Catholic-Majesty]

You are wrong on every point, and you don't have the ability to end the debate.

[@wade8130]

I'm an 8 year vegan. I'm healthier now than before. According to my doctor I am not lacking any nutrients. My bloodwork is perfect. I also don't remember craving meat or dairy at all when I made the switch. I believe eating and using animals is something we have conditioned ourselves to do over the centuries. I also believe some will have a harder time giving it up for a variety of reasons. The body needs certain things. Animal products have been a convenient source of those things, but that doesn't mean they are the proper source. I went vegan for animal rights reasons. If my body doesn't genuinely need it, then I'm not going to pay for animals to suffer horrible lives and die horrible deaths just for a taste experience. I had to elevate my thinking to arrive at that decision, and it was the best decision I ever made.

[@marcdaniels9079]

My blood work is perfect … always a red flag for me. Easy claim to make

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@@marcdaniels9079 not really, this can simply be achieved by stopping eating fast food, processed,, and supplementing.. which vegans need to do since their diet lacks vitamin B12 xD

[@marcdaniels9079]

@@wallacesousuke1433 Not really …WTF ? Of course It’s an easy claim to make… think about what I said not what your preconceived biasses are driving you to react with …. It’s simply a claim with no evidence to support it given. By the way there is no such thing as “perfect” bloodwork.

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@@marcdaniels9079 I think you're a bit confused there, buddy.. and honestly I'm not sure where you stand at in this vegan vs onmivores debate, just saying that it's easy to get "perfect" blood work by simply avoiding modern, industrialized "food" and supplementing.. that's all, I'm no vegan if that's not clear

[@melindawolfUS]

When I was a vegetarian for a year I gained weight and my autoimmune diseases, skin health and hormone imbalance got noticebly worse! I've been Keto now for just 6 months and dropped so much fat (over 30 pounds without increasing activity level)! I don't crave sugar very often anymore. I'm never bloated or gassy anymore. And my brain seems to work so much better, no 'brain fog' like I'd get on low calorie diets. Don't try to tell me I was doing it 'wrong' I'm far more knowledgeable about nutrition than most as a former pro chef at a rehabilitation hospital. Keto just works better with my particular body. Glad this video confirms what I've had to learn the hard way- there isn't one perfect diet for everyone. We each have DNA and microbiome, different needs at different activity levels and ages. Diet recomendations should be unique because we are ;)

[@casstefugit8674]

Well, you are wrong in somehow lumping vegetarian and vegan together. Dairy is hugely toxic, as every vegan knows. No wonder you had the reaction you did

[@AndogaSpock]

I love salt and I used to consume a lot of it. Obviously for health reasons I had to cut back on it. What I noticed though, was when I cut my salt in half, I doubled the amount of food. Even if I eat a full meal, I still don't feel satisfied. What I am trying to say is, you might have over eaten because you don't feel satiated....

[@Jake-0011]

Ever since I switched to mostly plant based foods and cut out the majority of dairy (apart from whey protein) my workouts have been far better and I've noticed an increase in muscle mass more than I did even when I was shoveling down animal based protein. You may need to eat more when it comes to plant protein but I've found it to be a lot better in terms of energy and growth and overall health. I'm not vegan or even vegetarian but these days I'll rarely eat meat or dairy simply for the fact that it isn't really needed and there's not many occasions in recent years where I can say it's been enjoyable.

[@joshcranston7960]

False. Science states the animal protein is far superior for building lean muscle. It contains the BCAAs required. Not talking about whey.

[@Jake-0011]

@@joshcranston7960 I'm just talking from my experience, not from science.

[@Jake-0011]

@@joshcranston7960 Also, just to add I also supplement BCAA's since that's the only way to receive them all. Other foods I eat, like chickpeas, lentils, and quinoa etc, all contain the essential amino acids you'd get from meat. Really there's not much difference apart from the fact it gives you more nutrients in other areas. Obviously you're required to eat larger amounts but after a heavy workout that's not a bad thing since you're usually really hungry.

[@unholyquail4560]

Alot of athletes are moving away from Whey to a soy or pea protein source because the body doesn't have to deal with possible leftover lactose. The pea and soy versions are in that sense alot cleaner without those byproducts. Even when able to digest lactose abstaining from it makes your body much more finnicky about it. So why not just cut it out completely and use a different full protein source.

[@unholyquail4560]

@@joshcranston7960 Umh.. every protein source except of jello has branched chain amino acids. Maybe not in the perect 1:1 ratio as animal products have but they do. So you are wrong from the get go. Also Soy has the exact 1:1 protein ratio even for BCAAs so again that is no argument. However Soy comes with alot less nitrate bonds on the protein making it much easier to process.

[@erents1]

I compete in various adventure sports competitions and I know for a fact that some of the best athletes are vegan. The fastest person I know in distance paddle board racing grew up vegetarian and is on a strict vegan diet as an adult, he consistently finishes first, second, third overall.

[@donwinston]

When I became a vegetarian the only thing I missed was cheese. Didn't crave beef , chicken, or pork at all. I never ate seafood to begin with. It took me a year to stop craving cheese, but now I have no desire for it at all. I haven't bothered to try vegan cheeses. They have as much fat, even saturated fat as real cheese.

[@wallacesousuke1433]

What' wrong with fat?

[@donwinston]

@@wallacesousuke1433 Twice as many calories as carbs and protein. Causes "sludge" blood which damages blood vessels, and impairs circulation and athletic performance. Saturated fat stimulates cholesterol production and principle cause of coronary heart disease and ischemic strokes, encourages intra-lipids accumulation in your muscles. liver, and pancreas causing insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@@donwinston sir you really need to get your facts straight.. "sludge blood" that's a term I have never stumbled upon in any of the hundreds of science papers I've read to this day. Fat doesnt simply stays in the bloodstream after digestion, it's instead absorbed by the lymphatic system and then oxidized or stored. only a small part goes back to the blood, bound by lipoproteins and serum albumin. "and impairs circulation and athletic performance." Neither is true. In fact, fat is beneficial for athletes: "It is recommended that athletes consume a moderate amount of fat (approximately 30% of their daily caloric intake). Higher-fat diets appear to maintain circulating testosterone concentrations better than low-fat diets." "Saturated fat stimulates cholesterol production " Partly true, our organism requires cholesterol to produce hormones, vitamin D and are part of cell's membranes. "and principle cause of coronary heart disease" There's no link between healthy fat consumption and heart disease. The problem lies with microlesions in the artery walls mostly due to high blood pressure and inflammation, also not every type of cholesterol is bad, ou should worry about small dense LDL, mostly found in refined sugar, simple carbs and trans fat. " causing insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes." Fat doesnt affect insulin secretion, it's carbs/sugar that do that. And yeah, fat hsa the most calories but it's also the most satiating macronutrient so it's hard to overeat fatty food

[@donwinston]

​ it is a fact that saturated fat impairs athletic performance. Sludge blood is just something I made up. If you eat a meal high in fat your blood gets sticky and is one of the reasons it impairs athletic performance. But that is temporary. More importantly high fat diets CAUSE cardiovascular disease. That's a fact despite what the low carb keto twits say that you find here on KZbin. By the way there is no significant difference between large and small LDL cholesterol in size. Both CAUSE heart disease and strokes. There are some other kinds of cholesterol that are something like 10 times bigger and do not cause a problem. The big fluffy LDL is harmless lie is often spread around by keto/carnivore twits. I did not say fat causes insulin secretions. Insulin secretions is NOT harmful anyway. I said it causes insulin resistance. It gums up the cells and lessens the effectiveness of insulin. Carbohydrates including sugar do NOT cause insulin resistance unless you eat too much FOOD and get fat.You only need a very small amount of so called "healthy fats" to be healthy. Something like less than two grams. Eating more than that will NOT make you healthier assuming you eat enough calories in protein and carbs. It is a fact that populations who eat a low fat high carb low protein diet live significantly longer and have way less diabetes, and way less cardiovascular disease than populations that eatn a high fat diet.

[@Kate-zl3zl]

I feel so much better being vegan. And my cholesterol is so low, my thyroid tests finally normalized. Most of the evidence points to the fact that we're better off the more plants we eat and the less animal products. Makes sense if you think about it and the more you look into it.

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

And then there're people who go for the paleo diet and claims pretty much the same, whose results in the analysis are good as well. I think the benefit of a diet is determined by your genetics.

[@np100]

Then you did not have Hashimoto's thyroid disease as no diet can make autoimmune diseases go away.

[@enriquelaso359]

Your body naturally produced 3000mg of cholesterol, it changes in proportion to the food you eat lmao

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

@@enriquelaso359 Homeostasis.

[@sonjawalkerreactionscommen3501]

Cholesterol that is too low is actually extremely dangerous!

[@davidtarantino152]

From roughly 20 to 30 or so I was a vegetarian. Vegan for maybes 3 years. I didn’t drink alcohol. I danced for hours a week. Climbed on the weekends out doors and worked out with high reps. I’m in no way saying anything negative about that experience and will say I would do well to move at least halfway in that direction as at 54 I’m not as healthy but I did two experiments back then that I’ll note. One is about creatine. Naturally you would only get it from meat eating which by the way is natural. At the time I would do 5 sets of 8 pull ups. I took creatine with my caveman body would have been craving. In two weeks I could do 5 sets of twelve. It was amazing. The incredible jump was because of my dietary lack of creatine. Then at 30 I injured my leg. As an experiment I tried without any preparation a Low carb diet. The first thing I ate was a bloody steak 🥩 No stomach upset at all after 10 years. Then after a very short time people started asking me what I was doing different because I put on so much muscle without changing my workouts. My body needed more protein and a natural source of creatine. At 54 I’m not as lean and healthy as I was. I need to lose fat and improve my cardio. Need to stop drinking out of stress but I’m stronger and have more muscle than when I was 29. I think the a findings here are very honest. Variety, moderation, avoiding junk and exercise. My issue is extremes.

[@thaysapc3058]

I have similar experience. I went vegetarian at 21 till 28, being vegan some time in between. I workout at gym since 18. While I was vegetarian it was so difficult to gain muscles, so when I started eating meat again after so many years, I definitely could see the difference. Also I have more energy at gym, but I confess the best thing about a plant based diet was the lower cholesterol levels that I now have to watch (but I believe as long as I am exercising it will not be a problem).

[@aluxbalum]

This is very personal, I practiced vegetarianism for 2 years when from age 19 to 21, vegan from age 22 to 24 for me it was ok, when I became vegan it was not great at all. However this was because I was uninformed and was economically struggling so my meals were very unbalanced. Returned to eating animal products up until age 39, I'm 42 now been plant based over the last 26 months and never felt better. My wife and I just had a baby 4 months ago, my wife is vegan all through out her pregnancy, against what common culture states regarding lack of macronutrients. We had our baby girl at home, my wife is 32 for being our first baby the pregnancy went on very well with no issues at all but the common nausea, tiredness, back pain, etc. Our baby is extremely healthy the doctor told us "I should pay you, in years of practice I have never seen a healthier baby" our baby had 1 day of colic, threw up 1 time. She is 4 months old an uses clothes of 6 month olds. She sleeps extremely well, waking up 2 times per night to breast feed and goes back to sleep. I workout along guys half my age and they can't keep up, overall in my family becoming plant based has been nothing but amazing. We cook at home, the diversity and flavors are neverending our cost for food is very low since we buy local, in season foods.

[@XeLYoutube]

Is exploiting animal a diet? na veganism isnt a diet. plant based is

[@Assassin99584]

Hypocrite

[@highlander200268]

we require 0 veggies or any plant material in our diet

[@cbjm4568]

@@highlander200268 your poops must hurt

[@highlander200268]

@@cbjm4568 lol so ypu are under the premise that we need fibeg to poop? 0 required fiber, infact studiesshow makes you constipated

[@jonm3131]

@@Assassin99584 how?

[@tomaselke3670]

I've been a vegetarian most of my adult life. I've tried going vegan, but I didn't have the tenacity to stick with it. Also. my wife doesn't even like being vegetarian so losing the butter, cheese, and cream is a pretty hard sell since the vegan alternatives to those things don't cut the mustard for her. Kudos to you that have been able to do it.

[@leroylim9435]

Your positive response is what everyone should be looking at. Do whatever is best that you can do in your circumstances. There's no need to ridicule or shame one another. Stay safe and stay healthy!

[@raygunsupernun]

It's because you're body is addicted to dairy. Cheese send endorphins to your brain like a drug. I had a hard time giving up dairy because I loved cheese. But the guilt finally outweighed my taste for cheese, and I didn't eat any cheese, vegan or non vegan, for a month. then I tried vegan cheese again and it tasted much better than when I was eating it while also eating dairy cheese.

[@frankfurtrob866]

Same here, coffee and oats (milk) just doesn't taste right. As well for my wife and I we still eat meat but really try and limit how much and how often. many days are meat free

[@chuckybang]

Best thing you can do is just eat more plants.

[@catherineblair550]

She looks like a house right? And not a brick one.

[@Digallday]

Another BBC hit job on meat .

[@spiritofzen7022]

I have switched to a mainly plant based diet, I do still eat fish and occasionally chicken but I have cut out red meat completely for two years now, I feel healthier and the range of food available now is excellent

[@LaSnob711]

Everything in moderation is the best advice I was ever given.

[@highlander200268]

worst advice ever in the history of nutrition, never mix macros

[@brenoharantes]

Except when it comes to pain and suffering caused to others, right? There's no moderation there. If we don't need to make animals' lives miserable, why not try to stop?

[@kaijenkin3631]

@@brenoharantes we do a moderate amount of torture :) vegan btw

[@zerocooljpn]

@@brenoharantes I just don't get it. So, "if it's an animal, it suffers and it's miserable. If it's a plant, it's not." Because? Both have cells, right? Both are alive, right? We need to have things that are kind of "alive" to survive, right? productiveness and sustainability are kind of logical reasons to be vegan if you really want to help the environment (I hope you're also recycling, saving energy or going off the grid, consuming products to a minimum, and also not using a car to reduce your co2 fingerprint in that case). Not making things suffer (just because you're not sure or don't understand suffering in the other) is not a very logical reason...

[@whitlockbr]

They should've tried vegan (all plant) vs carnivore (all meat).... that would've been interesting.

[@highlander200268]

plants cannot provide essentials, meat can.. hmmm

[@whitlockbr]

@@highlander200268 dunno... which is why it would be interesting 🤔

[@highlander200268]

@@whitlockbr we are hypercarnivore, we are notherbivore, we are designed for meat, not for plants, we cannot live on plants, what do you think?

[@whitlockbr]

@@highlander200268 well if you look at our evolution you'll see we ate mostly meat for about 94% of our existence as modern human beings. I can't tell you though scientifically what is the best diet, because those studies have not been done.

[@highlander200268]

@@whitlockbr correct,i can tell you cause it is my study, stable isotope testing shows we are meat eaters, we have systems in our body, ie hcl in our stomach to digest meat, bile to neutrize the acid, ability to utiize cholesterol for over 250 functions within the body, we can get all essentials we require from meat alone, you cannot do this in plants

[@Jonases_20]

im a huge meat eater as to why i developed psoriatic arthritis. with CRP 149.3 mg/dl and ESR 80. my dad died from heart attack as well because of the said diet

[@ThatsJustLardy]

I went vegan for half a year. Kept up with my running routine and had a stress fracture within three months. I was constantly hungry and could not focus well. Not everybody's body reacts well to any diet.

[@jibjubby]

Veganism isn't a diet. It's an ethic, to reduce unnecessary animal suffering. There are a million different diets that are vegan, each with different health impacts, and you can choose the right one for yourself, but eating animal products will only hold you back. High cholesterol is one of the biggest killers in the western world and easily fixable by removing cholesterol and lowering sat fats (your body makes all it needs of both). if you're hungry you should eat more. of course you can't focus if you haven't eaten enough food. You'll find that starving yourself on any diet will cause problems.

[@zerocooljpn]

@@jibjubby veganism is considered a diet or philosophy (per definition, it matches a diet, so I guess you can't say it isn't). You can look it up in the dictionary or wikipedia. If you like animals so much, and want to "reduce unnecessary animal suffering", great for you, I guess. (I wonder how you define "necessary", and whether it's really animal "suffering" or your sorriness for them what you're trying to get rid of. Either way, kind of an emotional way to pick a diet...). Anyway, vegan or whatever, having fractures and feeling stress due to it are obviously not good results ;) And, totally true that people react different to the same diet. Hope you're doing better!

[@Myperfectshell]

I was vegan for 11 years, from 20-31. I was healthy enough, but overweight, and my teeth did not fare well. I felt ok, and I definitely made an effort to eat lots of fruit veg and plant protein, but I made some mistakes. I began eating seafood and then meat for a couple years, and I felt like I had come back to life. I slimmed down somewhat. It was also a huge relief to be able to join in meals with family and friends and just eat what they did. For me this is very, very important. Then at 33, I did raw food vegan for about a year. Weirdly, that was actually one of the healthiest and happiest times in my life; I dropped more excess weight and loved doing this, but it was unsustainable. My teeth were in bad shape and I didn’t have the best poops, but I loved giving that a try. I’ll never forget that time in my life. Due at first to the influence of a boyfriend, and then because it felt right,I tried an animal-product based keto diet on and off for the next 9 years, though during that time I did eat vegan for months at a time, and also learned about the miracle of fasting. I ate a lot of meat during this time, but also a lot of vegetables. It was almost zero processed food. and I believe this healed my teeth and made up for a lot of nutritional deficiencies, which can take many years to accumulate. Now, at 43, I eat everything pretty much, but eliminate processed food where possible (I still eat whatever I’m served in peoples’ homes, this is incredibly important to me since I did not do so for a long time), and just mainly focus on eating less and very simply when I prep food for myself. I also adore fasting. I’m in a very good place with food and health. Eating meat in a conscientious way is nothing to be ashamed of. It’s very much a natural part of the human diet, and every culture in the world has known that for thousands of years, though it doesn’t need to be the main element. I do still understand the vegan buzz and appeal. I would recommend getting your bloodwork done if you keep it up for longer than about five years. Some will be fine, some won’t be, and many won’t make it that long.

[@mariacromero]

I really appreciate this comment for not condemning one diet over the other. I’ve flirted with veganism for years but, having issues with B-vitamins and the way my body can’t process them, I just can’t function without some meat. I purchase from local, humane farms and eat only wild-caught as much as possible. The challenge for me is eating a wider variety of veggies and staying away from processed foods.

[@jicalzad]

i think everyone can agree that the processed foods should be eliminated or significantly limited. I'm starting to wonder if eating healthy has more to do with not only avoiding processed foods, but also just limiting the total quantity of food. That way one can pretty much enjoy a variety of all foods whilst remaining healthy.

[@jettagliturbo]

I have been Vegan for 15 years, eating meat is exactly something to be ashamed with, killing sentient, innocent animals.

[@joshuastephenson1446]

@@jettagliturbo ah yes, America has made it to the pinnacle yet again. Veganism is the only way to ethically survive, and even if local food varieties around the world vary, what they really need is to be more resourceful. One day America will conduct an inquisition, if you will, to enforce their worldview on independent nations and regions to ensure they cessate off of harmful meat eating behavior. From then on, humans will finally have skipped the food chain and truly separated themselves from the animals they so adore that they would deign to consume of them.

[@joshuastephenson1446]

@@jettagliturbo or will we, in our infinite wisdom, begin our quest to eliminate any animals eating other animals? After all, they are sentient and tearing of another’s flesh is morally wrong. We will separate the predator from the prey with cages, or landmasses, or eradicate them entirely. Step 2 in the plan