Is Adrien Agreste a Sentimonster?

[@ToonRuinsOfficial]

I originally added this in the video, but I took it out because I thought it was too much speculation. But I think if this theory does end up being true, Felix's inclusion would make a lot of sense from a narrative standpoint. When the show was first being made, he was the original Chat Noir and was replaced by Adrien. If he has the ring that the Amok was tied to, that sort of puts him in the Chat Noir position again (if he has influence over Adrien, and by extension Chat Noir). It would also make sense why they look identical, since most of the time cousins don't look like twins. We also don't know what Felix's Father looks like, but I doubt very much that he looked like Gabriel's twin. The only way he and Adrien would look the exact same would be if their parents both looked exactly the same (and even then, genetics don't work like that). It's possible that Adrien was based off of Felix, or even the other way around (I don't think we know enough about Felix at this point to call him a Sentimonster, though). The other interesting thing about this theory is that it would fit with Adrien's overall arc. While he's learning to communicate with people and form healthy relationships, he's also learning how to stick up for himself and break away from his Father's manipulative grasp. I certainly think that even without an Amok Gabriel could very easily manipulate Adrien (which I think is what he's been doing up to this point), but with an Amok it gives him even more influence. Adrien needing to rise above a force beyond his control and break free I think would be a powerful message, since often times with abusive parents especially if feels as though you have no control (and you comply out of fear). But that's just my two cents. I don't necessarily believe that this theory is true (it has a lot of holes), I just think it's cool.

[@libby1000]

If Adrien were to be a sentimonster, and the amok to be contained in the ring of Gabriel's possession, it would be seriously useful/harmful from Gabriel's point of view. If Gabriel grasps this information and uses it on Adrien, he could figure out and then manipulate Adrien to whom ever or whatever he desires, like upsetting people for akuja opportunities or even him finding out he is indeed cat noir and taking back the miraculous jewels.

[@libby1000]

@@x.xematax.x3434 I believe that the miraculous was not damaged when bunnyx first showed up in timetagger, due to it being in the future it happen and they were in the current time whilst she was in the past.

[@ariannajaylin1585]

Hear me out, what if Natalie is a sentimonster? Thats why she has such loyalty to Gabriel. She was created by Emily when she was dying to take care of adrien and keep the family afloat. Thats why when she made Centibug, it was draining her because she was draining her (Natalie's)power. Unfortunately the centimonster(Natalie) started to fall romantically for Gabriel and is devoted to him. It could be a possibility because in feast technically the centimonster was dormant and it would make sense to give the centimonster her own miraculous aka the peacock. But it breaks her from the inside out. An opposite of this would be when Chat Noir cataclysm reflectdoll. If you look at Natalie's eyes you don't see much dimensions as you do with the other characters. And she looks tired and or depressed until she's around Gabriel. My big clue is how he trusts her with his identity vs the whole staff like the bodyguard. If she was under his control as a centimonster then she wouldn't tell his identity. I just find the whole relationship odd. Maybe Natalie is being controlled by the Graham De'Vanili rings both by Gabriel and Emily. Aka now Felix and Gabriel.

[@Ichiigoat-]

You just gave me a heart attack ngl

[@shortfreckles4210]

This theory is pretty cool and I heard it a lot but very unlikely because cant a miraculas holder only use their power once? If Adrien is a sentimonster the next time Myura makes a senimonster Adrien would have been gone. Or maybe that's not true and Myura can make multiple sentimonsters? Idk.

[@VirtuosoI]

Imagine how bad this'll mess Marinette up if this is true and Adrian gets destroyed.

[@Your_Native_Mothman]

Imagine how bad it could mess up Adrien if he figured it out

[@disneyparksstarwarslover7638]

Marinette will be TOAST! Oh dear.....I can’t even......it’s Miracugeddon! EVERYBODY STOW ALL YOUR PRECIOUS VALUABLES!

[@sm3675]

Can he un-sentimize himself??

[@Fanartist-Kitty]

She would forget anyway since she is the new master

[@aeri9283]

@@sm3675 I don't know if you meant that as a joke or not but that made me laugh..

[@love_me_likea_human1907]

I love how only Bunnix knows everything that's happening in the series

[@yuricatlover133]

Same here

[@garvitanishi1526]

Same here

[@theweirdestofthebunch6805]

Wait can’t bunnix just tell them who hawkmoth is?

[@thisisnotarealchannellol9382]

@@theweirdestofthebunch6805ladybug asked her this in chat blanc but bunnix said ‘even if I did I couldn’t tell you there’s a time for everything and time... is a fragile thing’

[@theweirdestofthebunch6805]

@@thisisnotarealchannellol9382 I forgot oops

[@KhyannArts]

thinking about that "wishmaker" line where adrien says he has always wanted to be what his parents wanted him to be

[@summerheart9834]

That one line ripped the fandom in half 💀

[@ZaynabSiddiquiyay]

the idea that adrien could be a sentimonster honestly just makes me sad. imagining how confused and scared adrien would be if he found out he was just a sentimonster created by his parents and not actually a human is srsly heartbreaking. i know i would be horrified if i was in that position

[@jazz_with_roses]

Not only that, it'd mean Adrien and Marinette won't grow old together. They wouldn't get married, have three kids and a hamster...

[@Laxus234]

@@jazz_with_roses BECAUSE THE REAL ADRIEN DOESN’T KNOW MARI!?,

[@abbysandberg2549]

i feel the same way :( i really hope he isn’t a sentimonster

[@amandaw9852]

He is real not a monster. If he was then there would need to be someone controlling his ever move and what he says but adrien has been doing and saying what he wants so I doubt he is a fake.

[@kresenbt3788]

@Aurelia Amy bro literally stfu Marrinette and Adrien are both the main characters. Of course they would talk about marrinette too.

[@tulip135]

I think another character who could be a sentimonster is Felix. I don’t think it’s too far-fetched to say that perhaps Omelie (Felix’s mother) attempted to create him using the peacock miraculous, and ended up killing her sister in the process. Maybe she was jealous of her seemingly perfect sister with a perfect family, and such jealous emotions manifested in Felix by making him a “darker” version of Adrien.

[@bmb4rllyxcgsss837]

That would also explain why Felix is jealous of Adrien because he's just a carbon copy of him and that his cousin is alive and he's just a sentimonster. Maybe Felix just figured out he's a sentimonster lately and that's why they were so close as kids and rn Felix drifted apart.

[@user-co8qz4gx8l]

Not true

[@kirankaur3705]

@@user-co8qz4gx8l It’s just a theory. People are allowed to have opinions

[@minxykat7188]

@@bmb4rllyxcgsss837 Félix is just based off the miraculous PV, the original chat noir

[@sakuraachuu]

@@user-co8qz4gx8l lol this is just a theory 👁️👁️

[@RaynnaBaharuddin]

ASSUMING THIS THEORY IS CORRECT: Imagine what a twist it would be if when Gabriel finally gets his hand on both Miraculous, he ends up accepting the fate of his wife's death. Then, he will wish for something that fulfills Emilie's goal since the very beginning (that ultimately led to her deteriorating health), which is to humanize Adrien. By wishing his senti-son to become a real human, Gabriel will exchange his own life-Gabriel sacrificing, basically-as a sort of of payback for all the times he has restricted Adrien from freedom. Damn, what a great villain redemption it would be.

[@Dandelions479]

I gotta be honest, that writing is better than Astruc's. I want a plot twist, a redemption arc, or you know an actual plot. Things like Cat Blanc are good, but something always happens so it doesn't affect the show, it's like they are steering clear of all deep emotional issues and focusing on [soon to be resolved] negative emotions rather than mental issues. There is a difference. Take Truth and Lies for example. They could finally realize their feelings for each other, and be confused with who they love... Marinette making a sacrifice for Kagami and ending up with Luka, and Adrien realizing that he loves not Kagami but Marinette, but he's still loyal to Ladybug all the same. I know it's confusing, but imagine the characters suffering from that exact confusion. It's real drama. Except both relationships ended within the same week that they started. I don't think the reveal is coming until the end of the show because of their need to keep people on their heels for it, because that's why people watch the show, at least for me. They need something like this, probably at the very end... A good show needs drama and heart, and as much as I like the show, it has none of this. If I were them, I'd hire you.

[@Dandelions479]

Sorry that was long, I just had to tell somebody this seeing as to none of my friends like the show. I hope you like it all the same, no matter who is reading ;]

[@alishakhan2636]

Woaahh

[@oifelixcomeherebroe3831]

i would sell my kidneys for the creators to see this

[@blossom_solstice]

Bro- I actually want to see this happen

[@brookthemudwing2720]

I feel like Felix would be the sentimonster here. Felix is extremely good at fighting and basically a copy of Adrien. I think maybe Amelie was the one who couldnt have children and Emilie tried to help her by making a copy of her own son. And slowly it destroyed her causing her to fall in a coma. And the amok might be the rings which could be the reason Amelie wanted them so badly

[@watchingandmakingwithwolfg7195]

This might be true.....

[@brookthemudwing2720]

@@watchingandmakingwithwolfg7195 He seemed so inhuman when he was fighting to be honest, Natalie makes sense since she IS Mayura but also an adult, but Felix having those kind of figthing skills is left unexplained

[@Lisey_Ann]

I think this theory has more standing than Adrien being a sentimonster tbh. Would be cool if both Adrien and Felix were sentimonsters lol

[@aimeelarsen4349]

I think that’s a good point. But it was actually explained why Felix could fight. When Adrien is looking for the chessboard and deck of playing cards. He asks Felix if he still did Karate. And felix said yes. But I agree that Felix is a inhuman jerk and I support this theory 1000%

[@blossom_solstice]

This is also a really good theory

[@roksana413]

But if Adrien/ Chat Noir is a sentimonster... wouldn’t Nathalie then be able to recognize that Adrien is a sentimonster and when she met Chat Noir, she would automatically know it’s Adrien... I mean.. she was able to find the sentimonster Master Fu made.... shouldn’t she then be able to recognize Emily’s?

[@simply.me.]

Feast swallowed its own amok, that's why Nathalie recognized it's a sentimonster. If Adrien is one, I doubt he carries his amok around

[@maskedredstonerproz]

@@simply.me. or even has it in the first place

[@NightFuryLover-xx8vo]

I have a feeling she’s in on the secret. Gabriel doesn’t hide things from Nathalie so I guess it’s a possibility that she would know if Adrien is a sentimonster and has agreed to not tell anyone

[@NightFuryLover-xx8vo]

@@nonexistent9277 I mean that I think she knows that adrien is a sentimonster, not chat noir, coz obviously she doesn’t know they’re the same person yet. I just believe that, if she did know a secret like that, she would take it to her grave, coz she’s so loyal to the agreste’s

[@NightFuryLover-xx8vo]

@@nonexistent9277 I don’t think she knows chat is a sentimonster, only adrien. She’s kept many secrets from the agreste family, I think it wouldn’t be too far fetched for her to know this as well.

[@archienoyce2453]

theres one problem though: uncanny vally scanned his DNA andrecognised him as human

[@scarlett7641]

THANK YOU

[@AmireallyEman]

Cuz he was made to be human, like have human DNA. Not a monster or magical being.

[@archienoyce2453]

@@AmireallyEman but sentimonsters are magic not humans, they wouldnt have human DNA i dont think

[@ratdraws9445]

This makes sense

[@lunamiracle3677]

Thank you soo much. Now i can finally sleep in peace.

[@althearivera7952]

it's just interesting how a sentimonster can gain consciousness and go against its master.

[@yatomcyato6459]

If AI can do it, so can Sentimonsters.

[@jocelynmiguel3055]

@@yatomcyato6459 yes 🤣

[@soyurluve]

That’s because the sentimonster was ahold of their own item that makes the people control them so if they have it, they will have control of themself

[@jj07278]

Yes

[@magpietheclown]

@@soyurluve Adrien´s picture of his mom

[@yoshinamitzuki4063]

I will cry in pain if adrien is a sentimonster. He's a dream of every girls wants.

[@disneyparksstarwarslover7638]

And if it happened, then we’re toast. *gulp and ding*

[@jordanian.]

Not my dream but ok 😌

[@yatomcyato6459]

That’s why I believed it.

[@kangleon9685]

im a guy but he is also my dream 😔

[@claret275]

Speak for yourself

[@fizzled9272]

“despite this being a children show” I bet we are all teenagers here

[@Dandelions479]

I'm a preteen... But to be honest I watch Teen Titans [the original majesty not the modern garbage] and I even watched the first two seasons of River dale with my sister. So I like to think I'm a little too mature to watch this show, it can't hurt me though.

[@ellisa_chanz5076]

Mhmm...

[@scarlett7641]

yep 14 here

[@sugarcoatt_]

Fr lmao

[@ratdraws9445]

I'm 20 :'(

[@glowbug4603]

My theory on why Gabriel is so "protective" over Adrian by not letting him do anything, is because he is attempting to turn his home into a farm for negative emotions by affecting Adrian or those around him with those rules. He wants to cause Adrian or his friends to get mad because he isn't allowed to do anything with them so he has more people to akumatize.

[@nityasoni4278]

but then why did he have those rules before hawkmoth? in origins we saw him go to school the first time in his life

[@Swagpotato9113]

@@nityasoni4278 Bc adrien ran away and went without permission and also school is where he can make friends so I'm the end he let him to go school

[@cheryltan7962]

There is a chance, thinking how twisted people can get because of a believe in how they could bring back someone they loved.

[@19theorys77]

There would be a chance where adrien could bump into a switch to hawkmoths main area

[@weirdcakes304]

I personally think it’s because he doesn’t want to lose him like Emily

[@TheSpawnfan]

"You can't kill a character on screen and act as if nothing happened" Evolt, from Kamen Rider Build: "That's where you're wrong, human."

[@abbysworld05]

And they basically killed ladybug on screen in cat blanc, even though it was the future it still happened and she’s the full on main character so if they can kill her then they can kill him and they also killed him already but it was an illusion and said at the end of season 4 that cat noir will die, I wonder how but if Gabriel is the reason I won’t be suprised

[@TheSpawnfan]

@@abbysworld05 Gabriel is either inconsistenly written or is conflicted about his son, but given the Chat Blanc episode he will use him if he has to, so, yeah, if he kills Cat, it won't be a surprise, as for Evolt, he killed Build's father right in front of him and shows a disdain for life, he destroyed a planet on screen for no other reason than because he can.

[@TheSpawnfan]

@@abbysworld05 Heck, even Pretty Cure can pull that off, it was with a villain recently, but still... in Healin' Good Pretty Cure, Cure Grace, the leader was asked by a villain to help him as his leader decided to kill the guy, by letting said villain take refuge inside her body (he is like a disease given humanoid form, fits with the theme), said villain, Daruizen, was responsible for giving Cure Grace a chronic disease that affected her for her whole life up until said disease became a kaijin and was going to become a commander until the Cures killed him, he also tried to kill Grace multiple times, so, Nodoka/Grace said no, and just bolted out of there, with the fairy that gave her the Cure powers assuring her that it was the right thing, that it wasn't wrong putting herself first for once, come next episode, the villain is on a rampage and tries to guilt trip Grace, who shoots him down with one question: "If i had helped you, would you have stopped attacking humans?" him getting angry and trying to kill her again was all the confirmation she needed that he was unrepentant scum, so, they fought and she finished him off, with no lingering feelings whatsoever.

[@Noname-vs3nl]

@@abbysworld05 nah its probaly the end of season 5

[@adrienette4life380]

Especially a main one and I got tons of proof he isn't a senti monster

[@itsbrookeok]

after season 4 and ephemeral, i can’t help but believe that adrien is a sentimonster. the way adrien was trying so hard to resist being akumatized, and then gabriel suddenly touched his ring and asked if he understood, and then adrien’s face just suddenly changed completely to nothing and gave in to his father. i don’t know but that was kind of suspicious to me. i’ve seen so many people saying that adrien obeyed because he was being akumatized. but i don’t think that’s necessarily true. gabriel can’t really CONTROL his victims. i think akumitizations deepens their negative emotions (in addition, gabriel’s manipulation) so they won’t want to resist or it would be extremely difficult to resist. but if you try hard enough, you CAN resist and break free. alya resisted an akumitization. so i don’t think shadow moth can force his victims into giving into him. with that being said, it looked like adrien was doing everything in his power to break free. he REALLY didn’t want to be akumatized. i feel like if he was able to continue trying, he would have broken free. but gabriel touched his ring, and it looked like adrien was being controlled and had no choice but to give in. and the fact that the writers made sure to show gabriel touching his ring has to have some sort of significance. you can’t deny that that must be important. anyway, if you read this whole essay lol thanks.

[@TravisaInc]

agreed

[@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112]

I say that there was some misty-smoky kind of magic in that ring causing Adrien to obey him!

[@anthonydias9843]

In the episode Gabriel Agreste, Felix also resisted the akumatization without turning into a super villain unlike Alya being Lady-Wifi.

[@anthonydias9843]

See the episode Risk(Shadowmoth's last attack-part 1)-SEASON 4 There Felix also obeyed Gabriel when the ring was touched.. but the ring was with Nathalie so, Gabriel got tensed that he doesnt have the ring to control him but Nathalie showed the ring to Felix, then he obeyed.. Thanks for reading..

[@laneyyyyyyyyy]

IKR THE WAY HIS FACE JUST WENT SLACK

[@etetgg1364]

It's a cool theory but we can't forget what show we're talking about. Thomas' writing isn't the best, and we are all witnesses.

[@sparkle885]

Wow that’s kinda rude.

[@grosebud4721]

This is so true

[@jellysourbean]

@@grosebud4721 yeah

[@mik2375]

@@sparkle885 it wasn't rude, it's the truth, it's literally a kids show (more like all age but still)

[@psychott6]

The contrast between the first two replies is wonderful.

[@SpontaneousEnergyftw]

Imagine in the final episode the way this is revealed is by Gabriel not wishing for Emilie back but wishing for Adrien back..

[@adiamondprincess]

:0

[@-arikachuo-5077]

that would make sence. If gabrial created a sentimonster version of adrien he would want the real adrien back instead of a sentimonster version of adrien.

[@Laxus234]

@@-arikachuo-5077 OH WAIT SO MARINETTE HAS BEEN INLOVE WITH A SENTIMONSTER WHO IS NOT EVEN REALX

[@halasmn5906]

@@Laxus234 lol heart broken time

[@acaterinab]

Maybe that‘s why he‘s so harsh on Adrien in the show, because it‘s a sentimonster and not the actual Adrien

[@nkdubuisson]

Just coming back here to remind you all that as of “Optigami” we’ve seen a sentimonster fully use and activate a Miraculous.

[@hidinginhawkmothsbasement1399]

UR RIGHT 😳😳😳😳

[@nkdubuisson]

@@hidinginhawkmothsbasement1399 IM NOT SAYING ANYTHING BUT HEAR ME OUT-

[@annasmallacombe32]

Imagine in adrien agreste is not a senti monster and Gabriel agreste is here’s me theory: Gabriel agreste passed away from a heart attack so Emily used the amok in Gabriel’s ring and make a sentimonster of Gabriel agreste and she fell into a coma from using too much power bringing Gabriel agreste back

[@barney_e]

sentinino?

[@Imaginegoobi]

@@annasmallacombe32 also with that trip that led to Kagami’s mom possibly being blind at the temple with Chloes mom Gabriel and Emily

[@kikitsundere1843]

Wait........I have a theory, what if Adrien is being kept alive from Emilie's energy and that's why she isn't consious.

[@khushimodi5264]

And why hawkmoth has her in a case with plants around it

[@jessikaparker5963]

this could be possible, of course, but then, when he repairs the peacock miraculous he should be able to wake up Emily and he wouldn't need ladybug and cat noir miraculous anymore

[@tjaytelevision2989]

TRUE

[@kresenbt3788]

@@jessikaparker5963 He has already fixed the peacock miraculous but you guys don't understand. The peacock miraculous isn't what's making her staying in a coma,the peacock miraculous itself damaged Emelie's lifeline to the point she went into a coma,she used a broken miraculous guys,a damaged one but if Gabriel actually really does make a wish to bring her back,if Adrien really is a Sentimonster,he will die since technically if Emelie made Adrien,and since Master fuu has already stated that if one makes a wish, something else will be gone,for their world to be balanced. So if Emelie were to come back,Adrien will be gone.

[@switch9045]

The flowers might have magical properties that help keep her body from decaying because I'm 99% sure she has already passed. Now we know Adrien isn't a senti monster because of NY special but still this was an intriguing theory

[@nadiamarie07]

my question is though, Adrien has memories from when he was a kid with chloe and that they used to hang out. I mean one that could debunk the theory or two it could further prove it. Powering Adrien for that long broke the miraculous and further lead Emilie into a comatose state. It’s a really interesting theory.

[@Evcyfremora]

Master fu dropped the miraculous when he created the frog senti monster and it broke then

[@nadiamarie07]

@@Evcyfremora If we took out the Emilie broke the miraculous part, it still would make sense because powering Adrien that long would lead to a comatose state.

[@jordyndlockett758]

And uncanny can’t see magic and she saw Adrien

[@small_and_dangerous2068]

I completely forgot about Chloe. It’s hard to imagine then that if something happened to him, they’d have created a new Adrien because people like Chloe would have known about jt

[@Vicktory94]

But this would be fixed if Adrien was just a replacement for the former Adrien. Maybe he was created with fake memories.

[@freshstarts4333]

I think Felix is a senti-monster and he stole the ring for complete freedom. Hawk Moth couldn't stop him because he didn't want to risk holding the peacock miraculous at the time and falling ill..

[@annasmallacombe32]

Imagine in adrien agreste is not a senti monster and Gabriel agreste is here’s me theory: Gabriel agreste passed away from a heart attack so Emily used the amok in Gabriel’s ring and make a sentimonster of Gabriel agreste and she fell into a coma from using too much power bringing Gabriel agreste back

[@orangechicken1005]

sentimosters are not complex, they are simple vessels for other's will. Even Sentibug didn't have her own will, she asked Ladybug what to do. and you don't have to hold the peacock miraculous, you hold the amuked object. Also if Gabriel had the ring, he would have complete control of Felix

[@freshstarts4333]

@@orangechicken1005 agree with this but they can have their own will if they amuked object is eaten or stored where no one can get it. Or if the owner chooses

[@orangechicken1005]

@@freshstarts4333 sure but if they ever weren't holding their amuk, say they dropped it, they would not have the ability to pick it back up, they would stand there blankly until somebody picked it up. Nobody in the show is a sentimonster, they're just not complete people.

[@sapphirestar3978]

or theres 2 senti monsters.... felix and adrian 1 for each ring

[@KookiePup]

Omg if Adrien is a sentimonster it would be so sad. I feel like that would make the fan base too upset and/or confused for Miraculous to actually do it. The evidence does make sense, but it also just sounds way too crazy to believe

[@syabilaazri7834]

Yeah...but then that will make this show end with "the true boy ending" basiclly, Ladybug will use both Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous to wish her true love to become a real boy.

[@ameliawilder28]

Because the show has crappy writers.

[@jaiden7897]

I'd love to see this theory be true ngl

[@selimyucel741]

@@syabilaazri7834 bruh But it comes with a consequences Maybe that would make him a Crazy physco or Mutanting

[@selimyucel741]

Atleast it would Create great drama tho

[@KelAlfono26]

“Adrien....he’s the example of perfectection isn’t he”-Gabriel

[@twilluz7188]

And then in Chat Blanc: *Hit Adrien for a home run to the Eiffel Tower* Yes makes sense, Gabriel ,makes sense

[@seandalo]

I believe that Adrien is not a sentimonster. The particular reason for this circumstance is due to the fact that Adrien can wield the miraculous, which is of course known by now to be used by humanity for the good of the human race. Because Adrien has used multiple miraculouses before, the cat and the snake, he could simply not be a sentimonster.

[@saamiyaahmed8888]

@@seandalo he also used the ladybug miraculous too so you're right there is almost no chance he is a Sentimonster

[@saamiyaahmed8888]

Yep Adrien is just forced to be perfect his true personality is cat noir

[@nityasoni4278]

@@seandalo your point has been officially proven wrong my dude, sentimonsters can very well possess miraculouses. Optigami proved this wrong.

[@Cosmos_8846]

There's still one piece of conflicting evidence. In your Feast point, you've proven that sentimonsters don't age. However, in the Timetagger episode, Bunnix tells Ladybug and Cat Noir that she's from a future where they're all adults.

[@tantaelizingsugar3531]

only marinette is confirmed to still remain as ladybug in the future because of her voice tho. cat noir's body is shown but there's no proof that it's still adrien.

[@swapnakalaparambath9334]

@@tantaelizingsugar3531 i mean i think it is cat noir i dont think theyll make it as crazy or change who cat noir is. this statement doesnt seem to have much basis just saying "it probably wasnt him you never know"

[@swapnakalaparambath9334]

@@tantaelizingsugar3531 but i digress

[@9736680532]

Yea and chole said something when they were young

[@swapnakalaparambath9334]

@@9736680532 plus plagg wouldve known

[@rorybear3332]

I think this show was originally for kids but it changed to more of a teen audience so they made it more mature

[@happybunnyntx]

Other way around actually, but it feels like they're going back to the teen audience roots with how much attention the show is getting.

[@maymay5600]

It wasn't be a mature and dark show, it was meant to have a 2d anime style but nooooo we couldnt have nice things

[@friedchicken5245]

@@maymay5600 what-

[@syrusgrove8682]

@@happybunnyntx yeah and it looks like season 4 is gonna get really crazy with what's gonna happen. Seriously the first few episodes are aready pretty crazy including secrets getting revealed.

[@KirstenFaithy]

That’s why the show is rated as a family show

[@Luke-fu5co]

Oooh damn, this is a real cool theory. If Adrien is a sentimonster and ends up being destroyed, do you think Marinette might take his miraculous and use her wish to make Adrien real? This has some awesome storyline potential

[@Lisey_Ann]

That's pretty hype.. then Marinette's and Gabriel's wishes would align 0-0

[@anemouche5838]

New York special confirms he’s not bc ais can’t see magic and the ai girl saw him

[@janelleworld8696]

@@anemouche5838 👏👏👏👏

[@scarlett7641]

thats .. pretty cool actually 😌

[@scarlett7641]

@@anemouche5838 🙏

[@erenwalker5487]

Congratulations! your theory is CANON!! :D Is officially that Adrien, Felix and Kagami are Sentimonster. Chapter: Ladybug Season 5 Episode 24 Representation totally confirmed it ;).

[@minumeyli]

Him being a sentimonster would also explain the issue of Chat Blanc. He didn’t resist akumatization, which we know IS possible by what we saw with Chloe. Adrien would have 1000% fought akumatization based off our knowledge of his personality. It also explains how Gabriel would never let him outside. We never really get an explanation as to why he does it, but it would make sense.

[@saamiyaahmed8888]

He did resist cat blanc but he was just struck by the shock of choosing his family or his love so he tried to kill himself by the cataclysm that's why he said 'i didn't mean to'

[@ninili847]

He tried to resist, but at the moment, his negative emotion has already exploded and he was in the middle of a mental breakdown that is 10x worse than anyone else’s.

[@YouveBeenMegged]

He wasn’t really in a good mental state to effectively resist though.

[@neno2600]

omg no way😳😳 imagine the only way zo be forgiven is by dying. i dont think zhats appropriate for children 😂😂 they def not gonna do that

[@chatnoirsimp1171]

Yeah, and Adrien got cataclysmed TWICE in Miraculer, he couldn't possibly survive THAT as a human!

[@r4riluvs]

Adrien is not a sentimonster bc uncanny cant see magic but she saw Adrien so-

[@No-ju7bo]

SMART

[@cryforhelp7270]

U right u right :(

[@frippity]

Dang

[@miqlei_hoai1424]

Oml the big brain energy I’m feeling rn-

[@jordyndlockett758]

True

[@goldenwind5441]

SEASON 4 SPOILERS: I came back to this video after watching season 4 episode “Otigami” which shows that a sentimonster can use a miraculous just like a actual human. Senti-Nino just said the transformation words, and became Carapace. I just thought it was interesting that the show confirmed that sentimonsters can use miraculous.

[@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112]

But Adrien ain’t a sentimonster!!

[@MorenikeAdekoya-u2i]

Emm spoiler season 5 he might actually be

[@snakeshifter02]

This comment is to pay respect to the fallen comrade, Sentibug. RIP in Pepperonis.

[@rowlemma6941]

F

[@tobysus6569]

*F* to pay respect

[@Noname-vs3nl]

That was very rude because it might just be a normal monster that is not a bad one and just has to happen to be kinda normal and has free will its like the miraculous holder killed a person out of no where

[@sapphire_trainer9108]

It's too bad Nathalie killed her after living like a few minutes after she turned against her master. I would've loved to see more moments of her on screen, like the bugettes and their kitty cat. R.I.P. Sentibug.

[@cryforhelp7270]

F, miss her so much

[@puffersaur6422]

Greatest miraculous theory I've ever heard of, is right here

[@Defektyd]

69 likes, i can't like so commenting'll havta do.

[@TheEeryTeacher]

you havent heard much then because this is one of the only theories that is 0% possible

[@chatbloom7188]

It is far from best, there is literally 0 evidence of that, plus Mayura would feel his amok, since she got close to cat noir.

[@segaspice4062]

Heres a spoiler. If you watch the truth, Ladybug uses Chat Noir's miracoulous and combines them and makes a wish for Hawkmoth to forget she is Ladybug, the price is Luka doesn't remember Marinette, it is very sad :( April Fools Sucker!

[@chatbloom7188]

@@segaspice4062 April fools literally ended an hour ago bruh, idk why did I acctualy belived you tho.

[@shemaiahgayog4090]

I just saw the Ephemeral episode aka chat blanc 2.0 and there's this uncanny resemblance of the two episodes and that is how Adrien couldn't resist the command from his father whenever he touches his ring. Therefore, this strengthens your theory that Adrien is a sentimonster.

[@FabledSorcerer]

Wouldn't Master Fu have noticed if Adrian was a sentimonster when giving him the miraculous? He literally made one himself when he was training so he'd very likely have noticed something like that.

[@alexandradiaz1010]

Maybe he did and kept it a secret?

[@FabledSorcerer]

@@alexandradiaz1010 I'm not sure he'd give a miraculous to Adrien if he was an sentimonster. The risk of him up and being wiped from existence or manipulated if found out would be too high. There are too many points that would make this a very bad plot point for the series.

[@kittynoir6741]

@@FabledSorcerer i agree and besides, he saw the power of a sentimonster when it destroyed the temple. and he sensed the sentimonster hardened into the lava. he wouldn't just let it slide and still give him a miraculous, nevertheless one of the strongest ones.

[@riddhianand1403]

Honestly , why would master fu even notice such a thing that's if he IS ,,,, but till now we've only seen that natalie was able to sense that feast was a sentimonster bcuz she literally said that she " felt an AMOK within it " ... She can only feel amoks and not sentimonsters and that too bcuz she was wearing the peacock miraculous .... It wouldn't even matter now cuz master fu is rn not in the show

[@FabledSorcerer]

@@riddhianand1403 Guardian's would have very likely been trained to notice the difference right away and seeing how he used the peacock miraculous before he'd clearly have a easier time noticing it. Even if he's not in the show anymore he was and did give a miraculous to Adrian and there's no doubt he would have been able to tell if he was an sentimonster. It would be bad writing to pull such a twist this far into the show and in bad taste mind you.

[@hibikikuze1819]

If Adrien really was a Sentimonster Natalie would have noticed Somehow..

[@stickbug6174]

I was thinking dat! :000

[@ns_6817]

then again, maybe she knew about it. she already knew about the peacock miraculous so

[@starrylatte9109]

@@ns_6817 if the theory was true then it would make sense if she knew that adrien was a sentimonster, but shouldn't she have noticed that chat noir is also a sentimonster?

[@ns_6817]

@@starrylatte9109 that is a good point...

[@momsmyname44]

ALSO You think Master Fu would have noticed too because we saw he recognized the Feast sentimonster through a screen, not just in person

[@Pixelflare03]

Wishmaker brings in the added evidence: Adrian's childhood dream was whatever his parents wanted him to be

[@hymnsforchrist3620]

I really, really hope that never happens! Adrien suffers enough in this show.

[@shyaader]

I personally think that Adrien isn’t a sentimonster because uncanny (in the New York Special) isn’t able to see magic beings but she can see Adrien

[@belladaisy7]

That makes sense...

[@zsofiszt3074]

Omg yeah

[@segaspice4062]

Heres a spoiler. If you watch the truth, Ladybug uses Chat Noir's miracoulous and combines them and makes a wish for Hawkmoth to forget she is Ladybug, the price is Luka doesn't remember Marinette, it is very sad :( April Fools Sucker!

[@SistinaChapel]

@@segaspice4062 maann stop lying lmaooo

[@SistinaChapel]

@@segaspice4062 OH- LMAOOO I JUST READ THE BOTTOM FHSBSH

[@greysennehoefling1717]

Adrien might, but Felix most definitely is. You see in the new gabriel agreste episode that he threatens Felix and raises his hand in a snap position. We also see that Mayura and hawk moth "release them from existence" by snapping. 100 percent FELIX IS A SENTIMONSTER

[@nauseouslynauzzy_7586]

OMG I WATCHED THE EPISODE TOO AND I WAS SHOOK AT THAT PART

[@zero_raven2318]

true. also what he said to felix.

[@Aciyan]

this aged like fine wine ;) (referring to the new leaks)

[@asoggyflipflop]

That would explain why he wanted specifically just the peacock miraculous

[@nihal0litha]

So Adrien is a true real human and Felix not?????? I hope yes

[@meriiku]

i am absolutely terrified about this theory but it makes so much sense... also imagine how messed up adrien would be if he found out hes a sentimonster

[@jessikaparker5963]

well... let's be prepared for cat blanch 2

[@halasmn5906]

@@jessikaparker5963 is in ep 14 season 4

[@jessikaparker5963]

really? I'm utterly not prepared fort this

[@halasmn5906]

@@jessikaparker5963 lol

[@kawansiesquad6659]

The fact that you predicted it, congrats🫡👍

[@galaxy142-nj]

Why would Adrien's mother be smiling at death or when she fainted. I feel when she died it was in the joy of having her son living a happy life sentimonster or not. The feather makes sense if it is in the ring, some may say if Adrien's mother did die Adrien should disappear but we have proof that senimonsters/akumas can say alive when the owner is not alive or detransformed or even when the miraculous is given to someone else.

[@adrienette4life380]

Wait what if it was gabriel that had to do with Emilys coma and that is why he feels guilty and is obsessed on bringing her back😰🤔

[@ItzZay1]

How the flip are we all such big brians

[@aftonash6148]

@@adrienette4life380 She's Probably The Only Person He Ever Loved

[@adrienette4life380]

@@aftonash6148 yeah but why so obsessed like can't he get a doctor or something he probably wants to bring her back but like his hard work

[@ellalalalala640]

Maybe she’s just happy to get away from her insane husband 🥰 (jk lol)

[@biggusheartus9574]

One more piece of evidence of Adrien being a sentimonster that is often overlooked is that ladybug and hawkmoth don't have any ladybug or moth traits yet Adrien can purr and has shown other cat-like quality almost like the magic of his miraculous is having a greater effect on him which would make sense if he was a sentimonster because he would be made up of magic and therefore more effected by his miraculous magic.

[@Bird-Army]

I personally think this is a flimsy theory since him acting cat like as Chat Noir is just a joke the creators made to add more humor to the whole cat boy persona for the fans and kids who actually watch the show. And like she said this whole sentimonster plot might not happen since they made this into a kids show and people/creators might feel it’s a little too complex for children to understand completely.

[@cryforhelp7270]

What traits would a ladybug and butterfly have...? I think they don't show them because it isn't obvious.

[@shriya9925]

this just gave me the image of Gabriel snacking on a sweater lol

[@turtlespeedrunner]

@@shriya9925 *munches on sweater with malicious intent*

[@fulana_de_tal]

@@cryforhelp7270 idk, eating smaller bugs / drinking blood and urine? i think i know why the creators didn't go that way...

[@slaybutton1692]

Coming back here after Representation and damn the community really hit the jackpot on this one 😂

[@pearluti]

8:38 well DAMN. i never thought of the possibility of adrien already being DEAD😳that’d explain why gabriel doesn’t care a lot for him

[@soyurluve]

He does,he just doesn’t show it

[@segaspice4062]

Heres a spoiler. If you watch the truth, Ladybug uses Chat Noir's miracoulous and combines them and makes a wish for Hawkmoth to forget she is Ladybug, the price is Luka doesn't remember Marinette, it is very sad :( April Fools Sucker!

[@juju..g]

he isn’t dead, Gabriel is just focusing on the akumatizatuons and his mother.

[@juliannaapril104]

@@segaspice4062 god damn it i actually believed you for a sec and I was like shit

[@ZaynabSiddiquiyay]

@@segaspice4062 lol i was abt to say.. i just watched it today and that definitely did NOT happen

[@poppycartergraphics120]

I’ve heard this theory a few times, and it always makes me sad, because that means there’s a chance that Adrien could cease to exist. I think your theory of the original Adrien having died prior to the show would make more sense than him just being created from nothing in my opinion, because he and Felix have childhood memories of being close, so he had to have existed prior to the show at some point, as there doesn’t seem to be an explanation as to why Felix and his mother would acknowledge Adrien as having always been there. I always thought Adrien was perfect and good at everything because he’s a forced recluse, and probably spent more time learning new skills out of boredom and loneliness, but it totally makes sense that Gabriel would design a perfect child - it’s super on brand for him, because he rubs me as being conceited and a type to want things to be just right. My theory was just always that Gabriel and Felix’s dad looked identical, even though I know it’s highly unlikely. It is proven that if identical twins marry identical twins, their children could come out identical or scarily alike, there was a whole segment on this talk show about why doctors advise people not to do it. (I believe one of the kids could also be ill, which could also help with the theory of Adrien having passed before.) There’s an article about this happening, and a different set of cousins on tiktok are identical as well because their parents are two sets of identical twins. The only difference is one having a looser curl pattern, and I think that’s more to do with styling. Even with this evidence, it is still a very rare occurrence, but I don’t think it’s rare enough for Thomas to not know about it. This is probably the least likely theory, but it keeps me from overthinking it haha. However, as fun as speculation and fan theory is for us all, I don’t think there IS an explanation for why Felix and Adrien look identical. (And if there is, it’ll probably take us forever to get the answer.) Because the target audience for mlb is children, I find it more likely that Felix and Adrien look identical simply because and no other reason. Throwing Felix in as a head nod to the original was probably just easy to do, because they felt like kids wouldn’t question it/care. (As most children’s shows tend to think.) I do kind of hope it’s addressed in the show, because I think Adrien was just placed in to be more likable / approachable for the kids, but it would be really nice if they would stop treating him like a simple side character and expand on his life. I really love hearing and sharing fan theories like this. It makes our community feel welcoming!

[@annasmallacombe32]

Imagine in adrien agreste is not a senti monster and Gabriel agreste is here’s me theory: Gabriel agreste passed away from a heart attack so Emily used the amok in Gabriel’s ring and make a sentimonster of Gabriel agreste and she fell into a coma from using too much power bringing Gabriel agreste back

[@darksun.et.al.99]

@@annasmallacombe32 That would make sense in a way because honestly gabriel has like no emotions, even his longing to bring emilie back could be explained as loyalty to his creator

[@Huskyboi_]

I genuinely think she's right...this completely changes my understanding of miraculous ladybug and cat noir. It just falls into place so perfectly and now I notice all the little hints especially how His father calls him "the image of perfection"

[@julimarano2507]

She’s wrong, until it’s corrected. You cant just say someone is a sentimonster because they are a model or know another language.

[@Huskyboi_]

@@julimarano2507 Agreed

[@karolinakuc4783]

I highly doubt he knows if he did he would have used it to get whole box of miraculouses

[@milana7659]

i think he is an actual human. It would be a totally cool plot twist if he did end up being a sentimonster, but I don’t think he is. Here’s why: You mentioned how sentimonsters don’t seem to age. In Timetagger, we see adult Chat Noir (who is Adrien) This obviously means that Adrien ages into an adult, which contradicts the whole sentimonsters dont age thing, therefore he can’t be a sentimonster as he is capable of aging.

[@jazz_with_roses]

Not only that, but I'm pretty sure he's gotten taller throughout the season as the show progresses. From what I understand, Sentimonsters can't change or grow without outside help.

[@marcosfernandez-ji8bk]

according to thomas, sentimonsters can indeed grow up

[@riddhianand1403]

Thomas astruc literally said that sentimonsters can grow up like normal people

[@rosegreen3144]

Yeah and if the ring Emile was wearing then Adrien should be doing whatever Gabriel wants him to do. But he’s not (as he is Chat noir and actively disobeys in the process).

[@riddhianand1403]

@@rosegreen3144 maybe it could be in her brooch 👀

[@chaoticace1540]

What if Adrien is a sentimonster, and at some point in the series Marinette will use both Ladybug's and Cat's miraculous to make him a human?

[@Dandelions479]

That would be cool, it's the deep emotion that affects the course of the whole show. I enjoy shows that have their deep, emotion and heart on both sides. Something, as much as I like it, this show does not have. Sure there is romance, but imagine sacrifice and true love. Romance and love are two different things. Feel free to disagree, just don't hate please! :)

[@annasmallacombe32]

Imagine in adrien agreste is not a senti monster and Gabriel agreste is here’s me theory: Gabriel agreste passed away from a heart attack so Emily used the amok in Gabriel’s ring and make a sentimonster of Gabriel agreste and she fell into a coma from using too much power bringing Gabriel agreste back

[@nugwuga]

@@annasmallacombe32 Now that it think about it, he is a terrible father and can’t even understand human emotion when Adrien is upset so 🤔

[@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112]

For the last time…Adrien isn’t a sentimonster!

[@Jerry-eh8xz]

Wait, can u just tell wht u can do if you use tha kwami plugg and tikki at the same time!?

[@muichiro10]

honestly I don't know what to think anymore after ephemeral

[@Lana-on7qu]

Idk, something doesn't sit right with me if he's a sentimonster

[@0103portillo]

Yea true I don’t think he’s a sentimonster but who knows he might be

[@ro.demigodcos]

As much as it’s morally wrong, it would be an interesting concept, and would show how bad Gabriel actually is

[@nanomacaron232]

I thought this theory was way far fetched until I listened to all the reasoning and evidence. Now I think it’s completely possible

[@adrienette4life380]

Nah trust me I have tons of proof 😅 and first of all a main character really nah and in the NY special the robot girl can't see magic but she could still see adrien 🧐 I have tons more so

[@emilytorres8944]

@@adrienette4life380 i think that if he was Natalie would control him since she would be able to tell if he was

[@adrienette4life380]

@@emilytorres8944 ik I was thinking of that but do you notice how nathelie really cares about him yeah probably because she likes him because she love Gabriel and she wants to be a mom to adrien but adrien being a senti monster doesn't add up

[@bmb4rllyxcgsss837]

Ikr at first when I heard about this theory I absolutely thought it was nonsense but maybe I didn't believe it or dig into it because I just couldn't handle it. This would be a major twist and a very very heartbreaking one. Marinette might as well forget her memories if this happens.

[@adrienette4life380]

@@bmb4rllyxcgsss837 but kwamis would be able to tell a senti monster or not and PLAGG he is one of the oldest kwamis so he would probably know more but he hasn't seen a sentimonster in adrien so he is fine

[@breewashere]

It would make sense because Adrien said he didn't remember having any dreams as a child except that he wanted to be what his parents wanted him to be and if he was a copy of the real Adrien instead of being the original he would still have the memories of when he and Felix used to play as kids.

[@icarian2789]

When a senti-monster is cataclysmed, pieces of the monster break apart all over its body forming cracks. On top of that, the monster loses all sense of reason going berserk. When Adrien was cataclysmed he did not go berserk and did not break apart. Yes, it's possible that while he is cat noir he is somewhat immune but I believe that de-transforming back to Adrien would cause some problems (after losing the protection of his magical suit) while still under the effects of cataclysm.

[@saamiyaahmed8888]

Yeah when he detransformed he seemed weaker then cat noir who even if weakly he was about to fight

[@sofiamalgueiro5701]

I always thought that if Gabriel agreste had the ultimate power from the two miraculous and made the wish to bring emelie out of her coma, adrien would fall into one because of how the wish needs balance, so like a loved one for a loved one

[@Lady_Monarch_Art]

I don't think Adrien is a sentimonster. He's too disobedient, independent and emotional. Gabriel however...😳

[@jvzervlyn4641]

But we saw in the episode 'Ladybug' that sentimonsters can free will and their own conscience if no one is using their Amok to control them and I don't think Gabriel would try to control him via his Amok in fear of Adrien finding out he's a sentimonster

[@Lady_Monarch_Art]

@@jvzervlyn4641 I think it's Emilie who holds the amok. Why else did Emilie use the miraculous? If Adrien had his own amok, she wouldn't have had to uses the miraculous anymore. And if Gabriel had it, he would have used the miraculous, not Emilie and not Nathalie. I think Emilie used the peacock miraculous for creating Gabriel as the perfect partner. She told Gabriel everything he needs to know and how to act, but when he gets into a situation he's never been in before, she has to take control of him to tell him what to do at say sind he doesn't have a mind of his own. That's why she used the miraculous. And that'S also why Gabriel shuts out the world and his son. With Adrien he is in a situation he's never been in before and out in public he can get into one. With Emilie away, she can't take control anymore. So he stays at home to avoid people getting sus. I have way more reasons why I think it's Gabriel not Adrien, but this getting too long for a comment. XD

[@jvzervlyn4641]

@@Lady_Monarch_Art I agree that Emilie would have the amok. Personally I have a theory that it’s in the white flower pin she wear on her suit. But I said Gabriel cause he would still be able to control Adrien if he were holding Adriens Amokized object even without the Peacock Miraculous. And that’s a really interesting theory about Gabriel being the sentimonster instead of Adrien I don’t think I’ve heard that one before!

[@Lady_Monarch_Art]

@@jvzervlyn4641 Thank you. Ever sind the "Mayura" episode, I have been thinking that there could be a sentimonster in the show we don't know about. I first thought it was Adrien, but then more became clear about what a sentimonster is and what it can do. Sentimonster Ladybug reminded me of Gabriel, Idk why. I was so confused. I should make a video about this and post it somewhere.

[@disneyparksstarwarslover7638]

Why don’t we just fry Gabriel up now and serve him with chips!?

[@minxykat7188]

To contradict: Nathalie would have sensed that Adrien is a Sentimonster as she sensed Feast in Feast. Also, the creater of the Sentimonster has to be awake, and Emilé is not. Felix and Adrien are the same age/height so it would be weird if they created a Sentimonster that looked like Felix as a baby when some babies look the same when they are born. To agree: No one talks about in the Adrien fragrance commercial, Adrien walks through feathers VERY similar to a Peacock one (I've been wanting to say this for the longest).

[@Satellite2]

In the NY special, uncanny valley couldn’t recognize and understand the akuma because it was magic, yet she could see adrien just fine. So, more evidence it isn’t true I guess

[@amazonbaba3195]

Well, the series made a lot of mistakes. Like Luka being Juleka older brother and then becoming her twin, LB and CN fearing to wear a mask even if their appearance is changed, Alya thinking CN and Adrien look like each other and more, so they could just have overlooked this thing, like they overlooked that magic creatures can’t be seen on cameras and technically, Sentimonsters too.

[@maskedredstonerproz]

only kwamis are undetected by tech

[@jadzsienes2184]

kwamis and sentimonsters are not the same tho, and in the NY special, wasn't a Sentimonster got filmed destroying paris,?

[@marcosfernandez-ji8bk]

i would first like to point out that i personally disagree with comparing what happened with an akuma with what would happen with an AMOK : they're not the same and may not work the same. but let's imagine they do work similarly. - just like seen in some episodes, nathalie can sense the amok and not the sentimonster itself; could it be that magic interferences for a sentimonster would only been seen if the sentimonster have its amok on them? which would mean : an akumatized villian would only be perceived with magical interferences when they have their akuma on them ? let's take an example. - any akumatized just like puppeteer or even troublemaker with an akumatized object that is easy to snatch away from them, if you were to not to break this object but hide it away ; how would uncanny valley perceive these akumatized people? as seen in the nyc special, magical interferences are blue but there's sometimes a bit of yellow. if we would take the akumatized person be perceived as entirely yellow? just like a sentimonster could appear as completely yellow without it's amok ? if adrien were to be a sentimonster, he surely doesn't have his amok on him. - either way i personally believe (and here it's just my opinion, of course you're totally free to disagree) since what permits mayura to spot a sentimonster is the amok, it means that any magical interferences would be caused by the amok, not the sentimonster itself and adrien does not have his amok with him. the other argument people can come up with it "but if he's a sentimonster then he can't be filmed or seen via technology, because he's a magical being" - in an episode tikki said to marinette "we're magical creatures marinette ! we can't be seen nor heard by technology !" before anything, sentimonsters aren't kwamis :( - and in the episode "ladybug" sentibug was filmed on tv ! so uncanny valley may not be able to see kwamis, but she shouldn't have any problems with seeing sentimonsters ! - but here again, all we can do is theorize, right ?

[@SFforlife]

It’s so sad seeing Sentibug die... gets me every time. I couldn’t imagine what the characters would go through if Adrien turned out to be one. It’s an interesting theory, but ultimately one that I think is too complicated, and honestly, rather dark, for this show.

[@migitodali]

It's not possible for Adrien to be a sentimonster, he known Chloe since he was a toddler so he couldn't have been made around Emilie's Death

[@fibromiteready2fight809]

The original adrien could’ve gotten killed and an adrien with the exact same memories could’ve been made to replace him.

[@annasmallacombe32]

Imagine in adrien agreste is not a senti monster and Gabriel agreste is here’s me theory: Gabriel agreste passed away from a heart attack so Emily used the amok in Gabriel’s ring and make a sentimonster of Gabriel agreste and she fell into a coma from using too much power bringing Gabriel agreste back

[@painslut]

@@annasmallacombe32 Post your own comment instead of spamming your theories in others' comments, please.

[@Clownzyy]

@@fibromiteready2fight809 that’s way to dark for this show

[@fibromiteready2fight809]

@@Clownzyy his mother is literally being kept alive by his power hungry dad in a coffin in the basement, he’s died several times, sacrificed himself multiple times, and tried to purposely kill himself at least once (as in suicide because for the Juleka episode). It’s still a possibility. I don’t know if I believe he is one, but I wanted to propose a theory .🤷🏾‍♀️

[@vee5113]

even if adrien isnt a sentimonster im sure the idea of sentimonsters having free will is going to be majorly important in some other way

[@karencarter18042]

You missed one possible idea of who the sentimonster is based on , Felix. What if Adrian was created by his "mother's" jealousy of her twin sister's new baby ?

[@kfjamesofficial]

*Totally* not me saying nope! *Adriekens is not a sentimonster* 👁️👄👁️

[@nyes4596]

*adrikinsss*

[@chloebourgeois1609]

HEY THATS MY WORD U CANT USE IT THATS JUST RIDICULOUS UTTERLY RIDICULOUS

[@selimyucel741]

@@chloebourgeois1609 Bruh We are talking about "Adrieken" definitely not be a sentimonster

[@chloebourgeois1609]

@@selimyucel741 I totally knew that

[@tinadothuytrang9199]

If Adrien is a sentimonster it would ruin the whole storyline imo.

[@annasmallacombe32]

Imagine in adrien agreste is not a senti monster and Gabriel agreste is here’s me theory: Gabriel agreste passed away from a heart attack so Emily used the amok in Gabriel’s ring and make a sentimonster of Gabriel agreste and she fell into a coma from using too much power bringing Gabriel agreste back

[@orangechicken1005]

@@annasmallacombe32 sentimosters are not complex, they are simple vessels for other's will. Even Sentibug didn't have her own will, she asked Ladybug what to do.

[@sapphirestar3978]

@@orangechicken1005 i mean sentibug was like a child all she had known was control she had no reason to create desires in the short period of her existence

[@orangechicken1005]

​@@sapphirestar3978 Alright, if Gabriel had Adrien's ring, he knows he Chat Noir, if he had Felix's ring, it wouldn't've been stolen. If Emilie had Adrien's or Felix's ring, they would be brain dead.

[@sapphirestar3978]

@@orangechicken1005 im pretty sure thats not how it works remember the object allows people to control the senti monster if they have it that doesnt include a form of telepathy unless you are using the peacock marculous its like saying you can hear the akumatized person's thoughts if you have the object with the akuma it just doesnt work like that as for being brain dead thats also not true as with senti bug or the mariculous eater (i forget its name) senti creatures typically do not feed off life energy to keep them afloat and can think like a sentient creature or person hence the name senti monster they are independent but can be slaves due to the nature of their existence, now the whole theory of adrien being or part a senti monster is based on the idea that adrien wasnt created with the same purpose as most senti monsters therefore probably took alot more power to make him even more independent and more like a human that can grow physically as for where the amok could be in other places than just rings after all if the theory of adrien being part senti monster meaning it was to bring him back to life it could be anything in the panic of trying to save him heck they probably dont even have it as it could of been lost like with the miraculous eater

[@JustKyler.]

If Bunnix knows everything including what we know… are we Bunnix..?

[@jesselmemento6284]

Damn, this makes sense actually

[@JustJaidenism]

AAAAAAAAAAAA

[@kayxxai5365]

Whenever Natalie was transforming all I said was “Dussuu YEET my glasses” lol

[@simplysweet4392]

STOP I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS WAS A THEORY IM FREAKING OUT ITS SUCH A GOOD ONE WTH

[@Neoncaffine9915]

Gabriel: “ADIREN… *leans in* NO….” *backs away*

[@ozmo3431]

I swear if Adrien is a sentimonster then I’m ending life like Fr Fr LOL

[@avanitaylorsversion5401]

This evidence is VERYYY good but, adrien remembers his child hood with Chloe and that was many years before. We know that emilie went into a coma or whatever happened to her only a year before.

[@SyerasSanctum]

She could've gone into a coma because of all of the years of keeping up the senti-monster, making sure it was growing like a normal child.

[@cemadiby]

@@SyerasSanctum I like your idea!!

[@SyerasSanctum]

@@cemadiby Thank you :)

[@nityasoni4278]

who said a sentimonster cant age

[@ryssathomas2639]

I don't think Adrian is a senti monster only because cloe has memories of them from they were younger up to now unless they did something so she lost her memories of Adrian from when he died or went missing like its blank from some point in her memory and only remembers there good times from when they were little up too now but I don't really know for sure.

[@annasmallacombe32]

Imagine in adrien agreste is not a senti monster and Gabriel agreste is here’s me theory: Gabriel agreste passed away from a heart attack so Emily used the amok in Gabriel’s ring and make a sentimonster of Gabriel agreste and she fell into a coma from using too much power bringing Gabriel agreste back

[@soumyakantabehera7507]

Imagine if Marinette comes to know that Adrien is a sentimonster not exactly Marinette but all the miraculers over the world didn't expect that Adrien would be a sentimonster😱😰😢😭

[@segaspice4062]

Heres a spoiler. If you watch the truth, Ladybug uses Chat Noir's miracoulous and combines them and makes a wish for Hawkmoth to forget she is Ladybug, the price is Luka doesn't remember Marinette, it is very sad :( April Fools Sucker!

[@soumyakantabehera7507]

@@segaspice4062 😂

[@segaspice4062]

@@soumyakantabehera7507 Lol

[@christianb9312]

i think it’s interesting how in one of the episodes, gabriel says to ladybug, “my son is the image of perfection.” and kagami while akumatized said to chat noir: “adrien is perfection personified” just found this interesting, that maybe emily made adrien to be perfect? i just finished the video and realised she covered this, but the point still stands.

[@saamiyaahmed8888]

Yeah but Adrien is not perfect he's just scared of disapointing people so he just pretends to be perfect he said to kagami that when he's goofy he's his true self

[@christianb9312]

true

[@Littlechonch]

Seeing as we’ve seen a sketch of Adrien and Chloe as Toddlers in Despair Bear, I would be more inclined to believe something happened to the old Adrien, as the inability to have children would mean they’d been running the Adrien sentimonster for over a decade and facilitating growth as he becomes a teenager, which we don’t know if it’s possible or not.

[@maxinereed7650]

OKAY, HEAR ME OUT, a very farfetched theory BUT, what if, for some unknown reason ,Emilie was a sentimonster and that's why she couldn't have kids, so in order for her and Gabriel to have kids together she had to use the peacock miraculous, and that could explain why her and Amelie look alike, because her parents could've used something that belonged to Amelie (anywhere from a favorite toy, to something like a strand of hair, i don't know) so that Emilie looked human and related to her sister instead of being suspiciously different looking and for that same reason when her a d Gabriel wanted a child, they took something from Felix so that Adrien looked human. and you might be wondering why wouldn't they look human, well, the only confirmed human sentimonster we have seen was 'ladybug' and to me it would make sense that you can't just create a person from thin air but you CAN make a replica where as a 'monster, their genetic makeup wouldn't be so hard cause you can easily draw a monster outta anything, but to make a person you've never seen before would be much more difficult. Also side theory from this, if Emilie and Adrien were to be sentimonsters connected from objects from their identicals, it would also make sense to me that they age WITH them not exactly with actual time.

[@abbysworld05]

I think it’s very likely considering the likely foreshadowing we got that he could be one, like with finding out they can look like humans and are perfect and Adrien is perfect, but since he’s not the full on main character I don’t think they will confirm it but I hope they do anyway since the show is also mainly somewhat about how his mom is a former user of the peacock miraculous and is in a coma or dead in the basement and his father is the main villain and Adrien is living with them while being a superhero so I wouldn’t be suprised if this is true and if he is then I would say it’s a clicking time bomb to when Gabriel will do what Myara did to sentibug right back at Adrien since if she can do it then Gabriel can too since he’s more heartless then her

[@TheEeryTeacher]

he has only shown 1 perfection as chat noir and is still him anyways also its impossible for him to be a sentimonster

[@KimchiiKnight]

I'm so glad you mentioned Chat Blanc's cataclysm because that stuck out to me too. I'd definitely say the mental state he was left in checks off the box of what he'd be like if he went beserk from the attack too

[@cartooncottage2024]

I'm a Adrien/Chat Noir fan and never deny the many flaws you can easily see in Adrien Agreste.

[@siddarthsuresh]

actually, it was confirmed that emilie was in a deep sleep in stormy weather 2

[@tobysus6569]

She is the second *Sleeping beauty* gabriel should just kiss her and she will be back

[@stasya5952]

@@tobysus6569 he probably tried but that man doesn't know how real love works 😭😭

[@tobysus6569]

@@stasya5952 probably

[@goldbloom8587]

Sad that Adrien has to obey his cruel and abusive father, under threatened that he is going to get hit by him really hard if he disobeyed his father's orders, in which is implied he had changed his personality after his wife dissapeared. Adrien feels helpless to do anything. Gabriel has no right to being mean to his son via abusing or yelling at him. He's more manically insane than Chloe! :(

[@larlar4916]

With the “ he’s a center monster so that’s why he didn’t get killed from his cataclysm” can be disproved. Bunnix was still alive in Chat Blanc. She said that something that happened in the past effected the future. Which means the future changed in her timeline meaning everyone was dead. So why wasn’t she DEAD? Unless Bunnix is a sentimomster as well then it wouldn’t make sense that Chat is a sentimomster cause he didn’t get affected. Also when Hawkmoth miraclous first got into use, Wayzz felt the aura of it in bad use, you would think he would feel it again if Emille to make Adrien?

[@holaamigos8144]

Yea that's true and another proof is that also in the episode where Mayura creates Sentibug, when Natalie tells Sentibug to act as if she was hurt, Cat Noir runs towards Sentibug and tells her "I thought we were nearly informed" so technically they can't die

[@waterworks_yes]

About the living cataclysm thing, I’ve thought of a theory to explain how the copies of the lucky charm and cataclysm work. The two miraculous are basically the most powerful things ever so I don’t think a being could actually copy that power without taking the miraculous themselves. So maybe those who use copies of Ladybug and chat’s powers (eg:antibug, copycat, the nightmare ladybug from sandboy, miraculer) are actually using less powerful versions of said powers. I’ll use miraculer as an example. Ladybug can get the right item for the job but miraculer and the others can only get the big sword thing. Although we don’t know everything about how it works, it can be assumed the cat can kill someone (idk the difference between aeon and humans entirely yet it’s still assumed) but others can only injure them. That or it’s skill, which could explain why Lady noire couldn’t destroy the sentimonster and only made it go beserk. Srry for long comment just wanted to explain my thoughts on the show I don’t even like.

[@TheEeryTeacher]

a center monster XD

[@TheEeryTeacher]

but the thing is is that at the time of chat blanc bunnix wasnt bunnix in that timeline and she clearly stated that something happened to affect the future because we know bunnix is alex grown up but in chat blanc that part takes place in like a week after the identity reveal but because it had already been fixed for her in that timeline as alex she was fine... but then when she was in the future and t happened again, it started erasing her timeline which is why she said this isnt how i remember it and how she was being erased from existence.. this theory is not thought through at all

[@TheEeryTeacher]

@@holaamigos8144 he didnt say i thought we were nearly informed XD informed is when you get told something. he said this isnt right your supposed to be nearly invulnerable

[@vedantdinkar9682]

This theory has been proven incorrect. This is because Aeon in the New York Special could see Adrien, even though she couldn't see magic.

[@srijadas652]

But in the episode Sentibug you can see the Sentibug on camera just like everyone did in Paris

[@kowee8903]

@@srijadas652 yes but Sentibug was based off of Ladybug, a real life human being-- you can actually see scenes of sentimonsters being recorded on camera, like the sentimonster of robostus during the NY special. Aeon is special, not using basic technology in her sight, which allowed the Miraculous' magic which supposedly hides their identities to not work on her.

[@waterworks_yes]

I knew this theory wouldn’t be true but I’m still upset :(

[@TheEeryTeacher]

this is what you chose to say its incorrect.... but still is true its 100% impossible for adrien to be a sentimonster but your reason isn't fully true.. first we would have to see if a sentimonster can use a miraculous and then think that everyone can see and identify a sentimonster ...but the only thing that made her know his identity was because she can scan and bypass the quantum masking that the miraculous use.

[@TheEeryTeacher]

@@srijadas652 this isnt fully supported proof

[@avaturchan2771]

I think its interesting as well- in Wishmaker, Adrien's childhood wish was to obey his parents- wouldn't that make sense if he was a sentimonster? Created to obey, to fufill a purpose? I like the idea, and if it was more realistic/backed up I think it would have a lot of potential.

[@louissusanto2583]

My opinion Felix is a sentimonster cuz when he kick lady wifi's tablet he literlly jump really high nobody can jump that high

[@orangechicken1005]

@@saamiyaahmed8888 sentimosters are not complex, they are simple vessels for other's will. Even Sentibug didn't have her own will, she asked Ladybug what to do.

[@nystrial8020]

@@orangechicken1005 Counterpoint, Feast had his own will, Mayura had to argue with him and threaten him to get him to do what she said

[@orangechicken1005]

@@nystrial8020 Any arguing from here on is pointless, it's all but confirmed in the show. Whether the fandom guessed right or the plot was inspired by the fandom is the only thing left to debate.

[@nystrial8020]

@@orangechicken1005 there are literally still people trying to argue it isn't true, it confuses me lol. And given production timelines and how thoroughly it was foreshadowed, it is literally not possible for it to have been 'inspired by the fandom.' The first line Felix says to Adrien is "Do you always do what your father tells you to do?" so it was definitely already planned at least by the time Felix was made, but there's also lines foreshadowing it as far back as season one

[@orangechicken1005]

@@nystrial8020 That or it fit with the lines that already existed.

[@tulip135]

INCREDIBLE VIDEO! I started this video with a “this is ridiculous” attitude because this theory was never backed up with enough evidence to convince me, and I’ve actually always hated the idea of Adrien being a sentimonster for various reasons (primarily emotional ones because I’m just too attached to this kid’s character at this point and this would make his story even *more* tragic), but WOW am I mind blown now. I think that it would be such a lore-heavy yet creative route for the show to pursue and would LOVE to see it actually happen. With it being such a complex idea though, I think the writers of Miraculous would have to be *very* careful with its execution as to not have it be rushed or feel overly random. That being said, I feel like they would rather choose to play it safe & not employ such an out-of-the-box concept, sadly.

[@oceanangel2896]

Aged like fine wine

[@therealzoobs]

The entire time listening to this theory im like: Oh my god that would be horrifying and dark but also amazing

[@crazypyp5871]

Adrien being a sentimonster would honestly be pretty cool if written into the show & the perfect way to add more character to Adrien & Gabriel. Plus, Adrien would get more screentime & development.

[@selimyucel741]

True,and it would create more drama

[@jessikaparker5963]

it could indeed be really cool, but I think it's too messed up to be canon. I feel like that it would better just as a theory. if canon that would complicate the whole show and clearly it isn't meant to be this way. guess we all can at least cry together

[@ajmantis]

what if emilie was the one who created adrien so if she dies, he vanishes as well and that’s why gabriel is so desperate. EDIT: and what if the reason why he has free will is because she’s not conscious to control him ?? :0 EDIT EDIT: and the reason he looks SO similar to felix is because that’s really the only familial reference they had to create him??

[@flaviamolisso8581]

In response to the second edit: you don't need to both be the creator and have the amok to control a sentimonster. Gabriel has the ring to control him, in fact in the last episodes he touches it while giving Adrien commands, but I don't know why he doesn't fully exploit this power

[@julimarano2507]

You wanna know why he doesn’t exploit it? BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE IT!

[@emma1opez]

what if the first adrien was gabriel and emilie’s first child and then he died, and the reason gabriel is so protective of senti-adrien is because he doesn’t want the same thing to happen??

[@El-Tint]

Or maybe Emily is in a coma cause she gave her life to save her son's... So Gabriel is mad at his son till he mourns his wife.

[@halasmn5906]

@@El-Tint yea

[@sapphire_trainer9108]

That would be a wicked twist in the show. Poor Sentibug, though...

[@craigpeoples9883]

Sentibug did nothing wrong

[@Matthewbest]

@@craigpeoples9883 Yeah!

[@Matthewbest]

😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@sapphire_trainer9108]

@@craigpeoples9883 I know. That's why I would've loved more Sentibug moments. I couldn't believe Nathalie just killed a living being with no mercy.

[@craigpeoples9883]

@@sapphire_trainer9108Yeah and what's even darker is Ladybug is forced to wipe out living beings who are forced to work for her and no one is talking about it

[@nanomacaron232]

Didnt take this theory as a while too seriously, after watching Mega Leech I’m really starting to question it.

[@What.when.where.]

Same

[@jamssy3409]

Me seeing the notification: noPe! Not playing with my feelings again!! Nu-uh >:O

[@lettuce1626]

I didn’t realize how hyped I would feel just thinking about Emily Agreste’s plot

[@itsrewindtime5994]

Its crazy how spot on this was

[@summer323]

Y’all notice after the peacock miraculous was fixed dusuu finally got in touch with her emotions like nooro when it was broken she thought her actions serving evil was ok and as soon as she got fixed she thought it was a bad dream

[@alainaisrad]

im back after ehpemeral 17/11/21 YUP HES A SENTIMONSTER

[@Huskyboi_]

Something I dont understand is when did whatever's happened to Adrian's mother actually happen because Gabrial says hes been waiting 15 years to bring her back but in the Christmas episode Nathalie says "This is also Adrian's first Christmas without his mother" indicating that whatever happened to her happened only 1 year ago not 15

[@anonanon5046]

Ya what the heck

[@Huskyboi_]

@@anonanon5046 I'm still not sure

[@anonanon5046]

Do you know when he said he’s been waiting 15 years? Bc Adrien also mentions things about his mom from before she died, like he mentions remembering her getting dizzy spells. Also if Adrien is about 15 then maybe something happened when he was born and that’s what Gabrielle is referring to.

[@Huskyboi_]

@@anonanon5046 I believe he said it when he is in china (the episode where marrinet gets her miraculous stolen) I'm not too sure now, cus it's been 3 weeks

[@mraspberry1582]

Hmm I wonder if Gabriel has ever heard of a hospital like he could take his wife instead of trying to get the ladybug and cat miraculous

[@adrienlrenzo9149]

Nothing got to do with doctors,Emelie is in a coma because of the peacock miraculous and in order to bring her back gabriel has to fix the peacock miraculous using chat noirs and ladybugs miraculous.