Is AI Replacing Programmers?

[@LowLevelTV]

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[@barry_wastaken]

I think it's a misconception that mainly caused from the fact that they're called AIs instead of LLMs lol.

[@evanm623]

@@barry_wastaken Agreed! If people called the language learning models, I feel like fewer people would be confused about how they work. At the same time, not a lot of people generally know the scope of what they are getting into so they assume they can take an artists or programmers job until the code doesn't work, or you see artifacts in the art.

[@SerajAlhorany]

Same thing

[@yahira.7031]

@@SerajAlhorany Not a bit. I'm pretty sure if everybody called them LLMs You wouldnt have all these people thinking it actually comprehends or understands whatever it's spitting out.

[@m4l490n]

Or rather that people don't really know the meaning of "artificial"

[@lumeronswift]

No - the fact that someone has to put in keywords instead of an android doing it on a whim has almost no bearing on the concept of skillset replacement. To any CEO who only thinks about cost-cutting, this still cuts out 95-99% of the employee costs... paying less for health insurance, building insurance, workplace assessments, etc, etc.

[@WagnerGFX]

Imagine asking AI to write critical code, then it uses all the beginner tutorials on the internet to build that code, and the result is completely unoptimized, unmaintainable and filled with security holes. Hackers will love to know the type of companies that use AI like that.

[@Mallchad]

Convincing AI to fix the security exploits it wrote itself is an experience and a half

[@crazylegs85]

This is a really good point. I mainly deal in Excel VBA. And whenever I ask for an algorithm for a looping solution, it's always the same naming conventions even when I specify what I'm looping through and I'm trying to find. It's always, i, j, and k for indices. No descriptive names or further design recommendations to keep the code as clean as possible for reuse and flexibility. You pretty much have to write a preamble to whatever it is you need generated and then deal with the bugs it ultimately introduces. Although, I have to say, it couples well with TDD since you're able to throw different tests at the algorithm while it also helps you generate the tests. You essentially use the LLM to produce the algorithm, force it to give you suggestions to better structure the code and then have it generate tests that you throw at the algorithm.

[@wsak5991]

Dude, you are not up to date

[@Mallchad]

@@wsak5991 dude. You are not a competent programmer.

[@SaHaRaSquad]

@@wsak5991 Dude, you aren't contributing anything.

[@bilowik123]

A reminder that “machine learning” cannot “think”, if you ask it to generate a program that isn’t similar enough to something it’s ingested, it will never be able to solve it for you. As long as we have unique problems, we will need human programmers.

[@Hellenic_Empire]

Also, it is trained on programs that don't work probably roo (stackoverflow for example), whicg means it can't fix them, you need a programmer to fix it

[@portobellomushroom5764]

Also, the bigger the program it is that you're asking for, the less likely it is to have a program like that in its training data.

[@pizzamon4990]

Nothing is new under the sun

[@ethaphu5589]

Not really. The human brain can be described as an algorithm, just as all deterministic phenomena in the universe. Its just math. Innovative problem-solving like humans do, can be programmable and automated. And it probably will, very soon imo, and it will probably evolve until it surpasses humans at that. AI is already changing the programmer career and might not substitute programmers but you can be sure that your average html css js front-end developer will devalue

[@jotarokujo312]

A lot of wishful thinking I'm seeing. Most (by that I mean basically everything) things programmer make are built upon others work that have come before them. Very few are created completely from scratch, it all combines some sort of previous tech and make something new. Which is what most jobs will require.

[@baranjan6969]

I love the "AI will get exponentially better" arguments cause AI is opposite. It has a regression curve. It will get slower at getting better over time.

[@Monolith_io]

@@baranjan6969 we have all the silicon chips in the world.

[@NickH-o5l]

In the long run it might be exponential, but for the next 20 years it’s definitely decelerating

[@AR-yd2nd]

@@NickH-o5l that's not how an exponential curve works tho. You're describing, what, a cubic?

[@NickH-o5l]

@@AR-yd2nd yeah that actually makes more sense

[@lumeronswift]

Not exactly - sure, it won't necessarily get more efficient forever, but it can always be retrained more efficiently on more targeted/useful data/instruction sets. You could say the same thing about humans - "they're never going to get much further than banging one rock against another to create pretty sparks"... and yet here we are.

[@AppleJuiss]

The day AI is good enough to replace programmers is the day EVERYONE is out of a job. If the AI is good enough to solve every complex programming problem there's nothing stopping it from automating your job, it doesn't matter what field you specialize in, the robots will be better at it than you are.

[@tony-does-stuff]

AI is being used in the automotive industry. There is a project very close to completion that uses AI to change, rotate, mount and balance tires. What people fail to realize is that, while yes that robot will eventually replace workers, the robot itself will need trained maintainers. Same argument as the self checkout debacle.

[@Mallchad]

It will also demand citizenship.

[@kao-j3y]

@someolddude-j8i because its super hard. Manipulation of functional and soft objects and perceptive interaction with the environment are really challenging subfields in robotics. It requires more understanding of intelligence. I mean, people talk about AI, but scientists can still not really define intelligence in a simple solid way, let alone the artificial one. We have not yet identified axioms or principles of intelligence completly, but we are advancing. Roboticists need to unterstand intelligent behaviour in a fundamental way before attemping to solve those kind of super complicated robotic tasks, that is the state of the art right now in our field

[@Ooga658]

A lot of people forget that if AI can handle every programming task, then it should be able to handle programming a better version of itself as well. This would mean the AI singularity, and massive changes to the way we live (assuming we get to continue to live).

[@markko8891]

AI will never ever replace humans.

[@privacyvalued4134]

The bigger question is: What is the actual cost per query? None of this is free. Well it is until the Vulture Capitalist cash dries up and they start demanding ROI. Then it won't be free.

[@BroodYouth]

yep the electricity cost is insane on AI

[@nomore6167]

Not to mention it's already costing us (consumers) in our devices. The CPUs in new computers, tablets, and phones are now being built with NPUs designed explicitly for AI usage. We're being forced to pay for it whether we want it or not.

[@Tomyb15]

The bubble is gonna burst so hard, it's gonna decimate tech

[@Tomyb15]

​@nomore6167 even if npus where that good at accelerating (no real time chatgpt with a decent context window and tokens/sec), those don't work for training.

[@mynameisjeff9124]

A programmer costs 4000$ a month. You think that’s cheaper than 200$ for API calls?

[@chrism4841]

Those same people where telling truckers 15 years ago their job was about to be redundant with self driving cars/trucks. They haven't even replaced shunters in private yards with self driving trucks yet nevermind trucks hauling 40 tonnes with other traffic and pedestrians. Hell there's still people employed all over the world doing jobs that could have been automated 30-40 years ago.

[@AustinSnider]

This. It's not always about the "can it be done," the next question is "is it worth it?" And the answer to that latter question isn't always yes.

[@abqlewis]

I do agree that AI (I know, misleading label) doesn't completely replace programmers. People have been predicting this from various strategies and tools (CASE, etc) since the 70's. But, based on these histories, I do think AI can affect programming as a profession in a negative way. You're thinking of AI from a programmer's point of view. When you think of it from a manager's (or any "money controllers") POV, it seems as though at least a large section of a project's code can be generated by AI, and then just "cleaned up" by a smaller number of programmers (AI babysitters). They see the technical issues you may have as "techno babble" to save a job, or an excuse to get more time (money). In reality, that 10% of the project will take 95% of the the time, so there isn't nearly the savings they predict. But like most of these false (or partial) strategies, it will take time and effort to prove them out. And some shops will retain some vestiges of them just so some manager is proven "not wrong". Eventually the best, most useful parts become useful tools that help programmers in some small specific way.

[@almazingsk8er]

@@abqlewis this has always been my concern. Managers and suits and startup CEOs will certainly try to replace programmers with AI if they haven’t already. Maybe they will fail, but it might take a while for the failure to occur and someone will get rich trying so others will try to get in while they can before the bubble bursts. And the working class is left carrying the water unemployed and now undervalued as a result of some VC’s and opportunistic folk looking to get rich quick

[@etcetc3800]

Absolutely and I was reading that AI has already reduced team sizes by 20% in many companies. It will be this % reduction which will increase over time until we get to something like 70% and it may stop there. But that's a huge amount of job displacement

[@michaelslack8900]

I'm very skeptical that AI will replace programmers. I also think that corporate culture is still going to try though...

[@tony-does-stuff]

This is exactly correct. AI won't replace programmers, it'll be the inexperienced C-suite execs and directors firing programmers thinking AI replaces them.

[@Meletion1]

The newer ChatGPT model, I programmed an entire system that counts “karma” points for each user in a database, and the entire thing was made in about 45 minutes to a hour.

[@SaHaRaSquad]

That sounds like a problem an experienced engineer can solve with a single DB query.

[@Meletion1]

@ with a dashboard user manager logging in signing up ect.

[@AustinSnider]

Have you thoroughly verified it?

[@Meletion1]

@@AustinSnider yeah

[@tony-does-stuff]

People don't understand that AI is still rather inaccurate. I ask it for help all the time with normal ps scripts. AI gets you in the ballpark and generally a little closer to home than anything else, but you as the operator still have to refine and test the output. Now does this mean we are safe from our inexperienced employers thinking that AI is better than us because they used it once to write them a very simple line of code and it worked so now they assume they can just ask it to do our entire jobs? Absolutely not. And that is the problem that i hope we realize the solution being to ask for more money when they fire us thinking AI can do a better job and then call us back realizing they messed up.

[@AustinSnider]

It's OK. These companies will eventually fail catestrophically for building their castle on sand.

[@TheRythimMan]

I just don't like how much energy generative AI burns. It feels irresponsible to the environment and the economy to rely on it. I only use it for really small request and only if I have been looking for a while and can't find the answer on my own. Definitely not to write programs for me.

[@EddaFredericks]

enterprise-ai AI fixes this. Is AI Replacing Programmers?

[@custom3828]

Probably not, I haven’t even heard about enterprise-ai, but what I know is that it’s still an LLM openAI uses for their ai, so there’s probably artifacts left even in their enterprise-ai

[@custom3828]

But it’s an assumption

[@the-answer-is-42]

From the times I've used AI, it feels like a coin flip. Either it's correct, or it's not, and it's not correct quite often. That might be because I run into niche problems or that I use the wrong programming language, but it's just not been that good for me. Like once, Copilot suggested I should use a while loop in a language without while loops. I think it just inferred that there should be a while loop, since it even got the syntax right if the language would have while loops... I think the real issue here isn't Copilot, but a programming language not having while loops, or another construct that can be used to do the same thing (nope, it doesn't have recursion + tail calls either, or any form if loop except a parallelized for loop in which you explicitly cannot modify variables in). EDIT: It's Power FX, which is used in Power Apps. After double checking, you can hack your way to a while loop by combining Power FX with GUI components in creative ways, but it really should be part of the language.

[@BinToss._.]

Which language is it? Does it not have any JMP (jump) functionality you could use to jerry-rig a `while` loop?

[@the-answer-is-42]

@@BinToss._. Power FX, it's what you use in Power Apps. I'm sure you can jerry rig something if you combine it with the rest of Power Apps functionality to emulate a loop, but the language itself is very incomplete and I'm not smart enough to hack my way into doing that. It's just now getting functions, previously you had to put invisible buttons and programmatically click them to emulate a function. EDIT: Looked it up and yes, you can hack your way to a while loop, but it's rather hacky. Way, way too hacky for my taste since no functions or recursion or normal control flow constructs that lets you loop properly.

[@NunYabidness-e1j]

Having A.I write for you no matter what its writing takes you and creativity out of the equation, you no longer have any say the computer does it all

[@The0Stroy]

But like "creative programming" sounds like bugs upon bugs to happen.😂 In programing you need to be precise, not creative.

[@_Cfocus]

@@The0Stroy creative means new solution to stuff or clever ways around stuff not the classical way to solve something.

[@tony-does-stuff]

​​@@_Cfocusthere is no need for that in a corporate environment though. Not unless the "creative way" somehow reduces cost to operate, or unless that is your specific job, which isn't the case for most programmers.

[@The0Stroy]

@@_Cfocus But creative part in programming is not writing code - what AI does. Creative is in constructing proper algorithm and planning program functionality.

[@AR-yd2nd]

You can keep the creativity, I worry about security and maintainability

[@Metaldude-th1rte3n]

A problem that is becoming relevant is that when you have so much code and content built by ai eventually the ai will try to learn from itself or other ais, which in turn makes the ai worse

[@Johnny31323]

An AI hallucinates when it doesn't know enough information about a certain task. For example, If you trained an AI to know and distinguish + & - between numbers 1 to 10. And ask it whats 5 x 5. Or even 10 + 69, it will read the algorithm from before, from what it trained of, and let out an answer that most corresponds or that is close as to be a "correct answer" in it own way of thinking "hallucination". It may seem random, but actually isn't. Tho it still is a guess and nit an exact correct answer.

[@johnnyelijasialuk3879]

AI assist for human. Human assisted by AI. There is a difference.

[@zellywest7120]

I find it just accelerates my learning and helps my lazy ass when I want to impliment a solution i have in my head but arent in the mood to actually write code. Its a good assistant.

[@-atimes3-]

AI is great at debugging at best, anything else I would be sceptical over AI-generated code

[@SaHaRaSquad]

Yes, I think AI in programming is applied the wrong way around. Generating code using AI means the developer now has to review code instead of writing code, which is slower and more tedious. AI should do that tedious part instead.

[@wisteela]

I've been using Gemini to create code in various languages to aid with learning. It does an excellent job.

[@ZarkWiffle]

AI can be good to push through a brain fart or as a learning resource if you're diving into something you're unfamiliar with but I find that asking it to do more than what you would get out of a google results in debugging code for basically just as long as writing the snippet of code yourself.

[@madytyoo]

The problem is not what you think, it is what your boss thinks about AI coding.

[@Ynerson9003]

I have been worried about this, I’m 30 and transitioning careers into tech ai scares me. I appreciate this feedback! Keep up the great work

[@logman3455]

I to use it as a glorified library finder as well as just gather information into one place for me, if I need to I go verify it somewhere

[@WackNoir]

Have u used it for c++ library finding? If so, who was it?

[@sxlg_32]

AI helps good programmers do things quicker. It makes life HELL for noobs, because they won't know how the code it generates is bad.

[@almazingsk8er]

The comment above yours was someone saying they used an LLM to generate 80% of the code for a react native app and they know nothing about React native. They’ve got a big storm coming…

[@kaungzayyan7068]

It seems like AI will replace developers any time soon but in my opinion though, more developers will be needed to maintain the crappy code that AI produces these days.

[@jaymxu]

You are very wrong, the thing is that they can already do that, they are just chained and held back from doing that exactly for those reasons. But it can do it and its only a matter of time until it will.

[@NickBrown79]

I've been writing a program for the last 7 months with help from chat GPT and I can tell you it is nowhere close to being ready to go. But I've learned a lot!!

[@architech5940]

I 100% agree with this. AI is a statistical word calculator, and, though useful, statistics is sometimes accurate but never error free. There will always be a margin of error in statistical modeling.

[@jakint0sh]

Mhm, just like it’s possible for humans to make mistakes. On balance, LLMs will probably get better than your average human at programming, and maybe sooner than any of us think. Who saw GPT4 coming? o1-preview is even better.

[@architech5940]

@jakint0sh we can solve problems with creative solutions, in real time. A statistical algorithm cannot. These algorithms are just that; algorithms. Read a book on historical events that shook society, and you'll understand that this happens in our development in new technologies. Learn computation and statistics, and you'll understand the nature of these systems.

[@CallousCoder]

I a really did a video on this the other week when I wrote a forth interpreter in zig, I wanted to give AI a good chance. And yeah, it’s a great helper but you still have to have the expert knowledge to prompt it. Because it will just pick something from the random distribution of code it has available and that’s usually mediocre at best.

[@jackhand4073]

I get what you're saying but I don't even know python and it's putting out 1 prompt code that compiles and does what I want it to. Pretty incredible technology.

[@Beatitat]

Can it write a function that’s basic and a single file - probably yes. Can it reference your code and finish a function or find some corrections & improvements - possibly yes. Can it expand upon your project creating x number of new functions and files? - probably not Can it write your entire project or enterprise software- no

[@uFamous_Breakfast1792]

the problem is that even if AI will replave programmes consider that for a large projects that connect each functions and technical things take so much thinking and analogy so if AI made to make a new innovative solution it will take so much power for that but with a programmer who know his stuff he can use AI(not this LLAs) to build a better solution

[@almatsumalmaadi8103]

Ai will replace programmers and increase CyberSecurity specialists. Ai is dump at writing secure codes, that's a win for us CyberSecurity geeks 😎.

[@jacobwrubleski3101]

People think it’s going to replace the help desk too… well for starters, users would actually have to be able to articulate the issue they are having first

[@lizardkeeper100]

same I think it is a super useful tool to speed up research but it won't replace probably most skilled jobs but definitely programmers.

[@dercodeman]

I think a good way to understand the limitations of "AI" is this: The peak of AI will generate anything you can express in words. Once that happens the big bottleneck will be our ability to express ourselves. We are the bottleneck. We for example can't yet communicate emotion. Only describe it. So it'll take an interface better than speech for AI to become super human. It'll still be insanely useful for very specialized tasks. My only fear is that we'll completely lose trust in the internet when more and more will be AI generated. Search is already useless.

[@borisdorofeev5602]

It's a tool. Ai right now is probably best for the obvious things; boilerplate code, and better search curation than a regular search engine. Probably also very good for spotting bugs on the fly, prior to preprocessing, and dishing out good suggestions and auto fill.

[@tormaid42]

So you’re asking a randomized regurgitation engine documentation questions instead of… just looking at the current documentation. Brilliant.

[@JohnRobertPotter]

It's 💯 going to replace programmers, it's just a matter of when

[@solarestone001]

"No technical debt" is a hard ask but your take is based on what's been legally commercialized by corporations (Open AI), not an inherent limitation of AI itself. Wasn't more than 15 years ago people were saying NLP was never going to be operational for ML. My intuition says it's a matter of time. Open AI's Q* was taken over by the US, apparently due to having the potential to effect humanity, and has been in development since. To think there isn't possibly an AI that could generate an "entire" program is wild. Depends on a lot but bottleneck is training, Wh, and time.

[@moomie1634]

AI/Generative AI is really just a better way to search documentation/stack overflow. It literally just replaces going on stack overflow and getting berated. It cannot really logic or think on its own. It needs to have its hand held through every part; otherwise it will make really stupid and illogical decisions

[@jakint0sh]

Not really anymore, have you tried o1-preview?

[@moomie1634]

@@jakint0sh Yes, and it still has a lot of logical errors. It will write functions with terrible outputs that make no sense in the broader project. It will refactor its own code and somehow add more and more functions to a project that continually bloat a project. It has no real ability to decide where to remove things and how to logically construct a blueprint idea for a project it's never seen before.

[@nealgoogs]

Give it 20 years.

[@nickazg]

I disagree to a certain extent, any highly and well documented task could easily be automated with current AI model, particularly helpful in functional programming where it doesn't need broad understanding of the entire program and state. Eg, "create a function that can pull financial data from two different sources, compare the difference and plot all 3 on a chart", this produces a result that is basically the same as if I would write this myself.

[@EliotCodes]

Of course it's not going to replace the senior devs like you who review code mostly, what about the junior devs? The only thing stoping LLMs from making full backends are the cost to run them which won't be reasonable. Maybe sooner or later, they'll be optimized better.

[@dakidokino]

Did you gain access to strawberry. Even someone who played a role in it has said he’s a little worried but not as of yet for now because it lacks the basics of referencing and experimenting (well what if I do this)

[@feralaca123]

I do de most simple work in programming, html, css and js (vanilla, no frameworks). If AI could replace programmers, we would be without work. We have positions to cover that have been opened for months. I feel that this "ai will replace programmers thing" will blow in their (ours too) faces if young people avoids studying this topics. I might be wrong

[@CorvusCorps]

I have zero exp in programming. This last week I built a sensor array and had AI build the front/backend/dashboard and I put together the hardware.... Pretty crazy. I have secure remote login for checking sensors and the dashboard is NERV themed. I'm making insane progress.

[@davianthule2035]

AI isn't trouble like that for experienced industry professionals...... It's a big problem for juniors who traditionally did the work that is increasingly being tossed to AI

[@carlrondoni]

IMHO Don't fear it, use it as an extension of your daily basis but without replacing yourself on the process.

[@SuperCrunched]

tbf. asking a human to emit a program without techdebt is also unrealistic.

[@knockknockyoo5812]

Will replace low level programmers Yes!

[@Vor10min.]

Memory Leak incoming.

[@DmMoiMienNamke.mandimoiroNgu]

It will replace web shiet for sure tho 😂😂😂

[@theannonymous1430]

People overthinking alot, I mean we all know that we are not going to end up on street, because we are also consumers for these companies if we don't buy their products they'll eventually bankrupt, so chill and focus on improving yourself rather than overthinking about AI or automation stuff.

[@JosephDalrymple]

Even with interviews and technical assessments, the majority of the time the code doesn't even function without at least some tweaking. And without experience, you're not really going to know what tweaking is required to actually get it functional. It's pretty obvious when interviewees have tried to use ChatGPT on something like a pre-assessment.

[@jakint0sh]

Yes, but on balance, you’d probably spend less time tweaking ChatGPT’s code than you would writing it yourself. And if that is the case, then a programmer who can use an LLM can do more work than a programmer who can’t, and thus, you need fewer programmers to get the job done. And because of that, LLMs are, in fact, replacing humans.

[@Efandr]

​@@jakint0sh *boss and managers are replacing human workers

[@Byron804]

yeah I've been using Gemini as a replacer for a google search that needs a quick answer, anything beyond that I don't trust it.

[@bearwolffish]

I really feel like this a case where if AI could replace programmers, calculators could replace mathematicians. Sure I get by with a calculator where I would have struggled far worse with a pen and paper, but to someone doing real work in that field, it's a utility not a solution.

[@tony-does-stuff]

Correct, however, a calculator did replace all the low level mathematicians. Same thing will happen here. AI will redefine the term "entry-level" for programmers / coders.

[@jakint0sh]

@@tony-does-stuff I believe you’re referring to “computers”. Yes, the term “computer” did in fact refer to a person who worked out menial calculations at one point in time. Crazy stuff.

[@harbinger200]

You discovered hot water. Congratulations!

[@awesomedavid2012]

I use ai as an interactive search engine. But it's been basically useless in helping me learn Odin just because the language is so underused that it has very little data to work off of, even if the docs are online

[@Riiyan]

It's just a better google search that saves you time not having to read through so many listings, that's all.

[@HexadecimalDump]

The amount of hallucinations LLMs give you is insane

[@michastochmal7662]

Well, it depends what program you'd like to make. I recently released simple android app made with react native, where I think 80% of the code is generated by LLM. It was my experiment if I'd be able to make such app without any react native knowledge and with most of the stuff being generated.

[@almazingsk8er]

I mean… you haven’t painted a very compelling picture here. You said it yourself that you don’t know RN, and the app itself is simple. How does that scale if you cannot know what you are putting into the app? What happens when LLM code generated months ago needs to be taken into account when writing a new feature today? What happens when it breaks?

[@michastochmal7662]

@almazingsk8er I'm quite good programmer so I know what code LLM generated and which parts of the app have some drawbacks. I also learned RN in the process. It wasn't just copying and pasting, but there was some thinking between. As I said it's simple app with a few screens without Internet access so there can't be any security flaws ;). Even the description in the store was generated by LLM 😅

[@elexbeats]

As I always said, it’s a tool rather then Intelligence. Devs can definetely use it to save valuable time. Just feed the documentation on it and ask questions, way efficient and faster then before, but to replace them ? Never happening.

[@_Cfocus]

you might need to increase the volume, its hard to hear even with full volume.

[@ricardofilipe8973]

like saying calculators would replace accountants, or tractors would replace farmers

[@MikeT-j8g]

If more people undersood what an LLM was the hype would drop significantly lol

[@mowinckel10]

And since they tried to keep naughty words out of the data, the Large Language Models (AI means nothing) are biased against things that uses words like slave, child or kill

[@josepibyron]

It's already happend with Javascript and python tbh claude 3.5 and o1 usually produce code that works first time

[@The0Stroy]

AI is just another level of abstraction. It moves it another step. Most languages are getting compiled to machine code anyway. I believe that final goal in future is to close gap and build ideal "AI-Compiler: Natural Language to Machine Code"

[@Lazy2Dev]

Saying Ai will replace programmers is like saying microwaves will replace chefs 💀

[@ChadDore]

It's a glorified search engine. It can't write anything past a trivial program. You need someone that understands code making sure the code it's writing is not only correct but following the proper paradigm in the context of the project, and making sure the specific functionality is in place. After you move past something trivial its more trouble to have AI involved than it is to not have it involved. Just like you said, use it to speed up your research that would normally require google and sifting through results until you find what works.

[@T1Oracle]

I can give ChatGPT the manual and aak it to do a simple task, like configure Helix Editor to work with Next JS and it just falls on it's face. I have to fix it myself every time.

[@alexisdamnit9012]

As an AI Engineer I have to regularly remind people that AI at its current state is stupid. It can do specific tasks but that’s not changing any time soon

[@antoniocapraro89]

Image Who fired many developers for the new AI 😆 and now doesn't have people to put at work

[@warhol3303]

keep coping

[@tony-does-stuff]

It won't be AI that replaces programmers, it'll be inexperienced leadership that believes AI replaces programmers. It'll be the Director of IT or some C-Suite exec that asked AI to write a single line of simple code once and it worked, so from that moment they'll begin to think "why do we need to continuously pay salaries when we can pay AI once?" And then, in their meetings, they'll bring up that single line of simple code as their example, which they'll all gobble up because they're inexperienced. Next thing you know, programmers are being laid off for whatever reason they can come up with that keeps them out of legal trouble. Not long after is when they'll realize, too late, that AI can't replace peogrammers.

[@takeiteasyeh]

Same query but rust for me yesterday lol

[@pucantseeme]

AI is booming at wild because of a lot of dark areas like this. AI is really helpful but it can't end to end. AI is just a productivity improver replacement for Google solutions.

[@pushvanjay]

Whenever I've asked an 'AI' how to do a particular task, many times they just make up API functions that don't exist 🤦

[@plaidchuck]

Its going to replace programmers in that less staff will be needed, or that it will be a “black box” that lower paid people will be trained on and not need to know CS concepts. So in one way it will be a good thing because for actual software engineers their wages will stay high, but there will be less positions.

[@heh_boaner]

I think the people least worried about AI replacing their jobs are the people who know how it works

[@asdfghyter]

apropos tech debt: ai is very helpful to ensure job security of security researchers

[@ThanosSofroniou]

Give it 3 more years

[@finnianquail8881]

Why not just use Google or the docs for go

[@EduardoSanchez-in9zj]

Famous last words

[@The404Studios]

this didn't age well.

[@RawrxDev]

how

[@Drety6]

No one will see whats coming is an honest response

[@felyx46]

AI is just a faster and easier way to search for the problem solution. We can do the same thing with google.

[@lumeronswift]

Well... this aged poorly. Google put out a report saying that 25% of its new code is now "AI-generated, reviewed by Software Engineers". (Right after a bunch of layoffs, according to Lunduke anyhow.) Not saying that it's good code, but it's definitely happening.

[@johnsmith8981]

Yeah AI is great for decreasing the amount of hours you spend coding but not great for coding it all without you understanding coding. Its great for making a template when you can describe what you want at a high level but if youre just like "make me a program that xoes XYZ" you will get garbage out.

[@flamixin]

Neither Ai coding nor ai image generator will be as good as professionals but the point is they just need to be good enough to deter young people joining the fields. 😂

[@Efandr]

@@flamixin why isn't that going to kill the profession ?

[@milkman4407]

Who made the AI smartass?

[@ChadDore]

Anybody who thinks AI is literally replacing programmers, or will be capable of that anytime soon - a) has a limited understanding of how AI works in its current state b) has a limited understanding of professional programming c) doesn't currently use AI every day to help with professional programming tasks. If all three of these are true, this topic wouldn't be constantly be being brought up for debate. Its basically fear-mongering from the ignorant who have no business participating in this kind of discussion (but that wont stop them from doing it anyway). That's literally par for the course with the whole internet now. The value of expertise is being completely drowned out by wanna-be influencers. Low Level is one of the few out there that actually knows his shit.

[@jm-pi1kd]

google is replacing programmers with AI

[@The_Code_Matrix]

how about private AI

[@Monolith_io]

But i believe, AI will get better and better like humans in the next decade. Sometimes i prefer LLM written code over my own 😂

[@privacyvalued4134]

That code came from someone better than you as a dev. Solution: Get better at writing software such that no one needs to open an issue on your issue trackers.

[@diceonamay]

I coded like 5 things already with 0 knowledge of coding

[@sanjaycse9608]

What are the 5 things?

[@pvyj]

So you didn't code then?

[@Efandr]

*I prompted 5 things

[@diceonamay]

@@sanjaycse9608 trading software based on specific rules, widgets for my website for an evergreen webinar. Why do programmers get so tilted if someone sucessfully codes something with little knowledge they immediately think its of the devil? Celebrate it, encourage those using it successfully and maybe they will get involved someday in actual coding.

[@diceonamay]

@ you child deleting My response??

[@ar_chbtw]

my take: to code with ai you need to know to code, same as you need to know the math's you are doing to use a calculator.

[@jakint0sh]

Exactly!