Is AMD Zen 5 worth buying?

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With AMD Zen 5 CPUs fast approaching, what changes has AMD made since Zen 4? Die size, chipset, fancy new AI technology, and more!
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[@Petch85]

Still waiting for benchmark. Also maybe waiting for the 9800X3D.

[@MitchellTheMitch]

​@@bule7405Okay? He's waiting for the X3D version either way

[@fiercelypolygons3696]

​@@bule7405I think that's pretty obvious.

[@davidbrennan5]

@@MitchellTheMitch The 7800x3d beats every standard 9000 series chip. Supposedly.

[@jamesm568]

Looking forward to using that with a 4090.

[@yensteel]

Full 3D v-cache this time?

[@zejjnt]

If I wasn't poor I would, I'll hold on to AM4 for a bit longer and I am very thankful for AMD making that possible

[@camelcase811]

I'm not poor but won't upgrade my 5950X / 4080S combo until I see a compelling reason to. Getting my workload done 4-5s quicker or a few more FPS just isn't exciting enough.

[@nismo2070]

@@camelcase811 Right!?? I've got a 5900x and a rtx3090. I see absolutely NO need for an upgrade anytime soon. It does everything I need quickly.

[@1wibble230]

Same, gonna get at least a couple more years use out my 5950X first before building a new system , I don’t feel underpowered in any way for what I use it for

[@Cynic_6489]

i'm planning a new build around AM4 since well... pricing. and it'll still be miles better than my geriatric 4th gen i5 and with all the stuff i mostly do, a Zen3 would be more than enough

[@Anonymous4045]

I'll probably get the new am4 chip, but I can't justify essentially rebuilding my entire pc just yet.

[@nickvangeel]

Ehh waiting for the X3D version

[@dubuthetofu]

same, maybe it'll be worth over my 5800X3D

[@GalvinW]

@@dubuthetofu Just shows how good X3D is. Wish it was baseline

[@CitAllHearItAll]

X3D is great.

[@TheQuickSilver101]

Good call

[@2Kaleb]

What about a 7700X3D and 7600X3D? 😭

[@lil----lil]

Only ONE thing matters: Benchmarks. When will the companies ever learn? All that marketing means jack squat. ZERO.

[@GSBarlev]

Only ONE thing matters: *price.* FTFY. If you're chasing 16% year-over-year performance gains, I'm jealous of your disposable income. I have a 6800U (Zen3+) in my "laptop" and don't see needing to upgrade any time soon. But I just upgraded my couch gaming PC from a 3400G to a 7840HS (Zen4) because the price of the barebones was *stupid good* and actually _below_ my price range.

[@Jabid21]

@@GSBarlevmakes me wonder if there are people who would upgrade laptops every year. Maybe for MacBooks it’s not too insane as the resale value is much higher, but for PCs, nah.

[@Phantom-kc9ly]

Why are you here? Not upgrading for over 10 years? This obviously isnt for you ​@@GSBarlev

[@GSBarlev]

@@Jabid21 The resale value for macs isn't as great as you might think. Plus, _even Apple_ says the difference between a 2020 M1 MBA and a 2024 M3 model is less than 60%, which sounds like a lot, but most use-cases on Apple laptops aren't bottlenecked by the CPU/GPU so much as lack of RAM and SSD (which makes it all the more egregious that Apple will still sell you a *non-upgradeable* 8GB/256GB configuration).

[@brokeandtired]

AI spyware chip = hard pass.

[@gamerone4154]

4 things I would give a product a PASS to be worth my money: P - performance A - affordability S - stability S - support

[@joker345172]

Then you're missing out on AI. 5 years from now you'll realize your mistake

[@LAndrewsChannel]

@@joker345172 I really doubt that he or a lot of people actually care about AI or even want it. At this point it is yet another overhyped buzzword that has a long way to go until it becomes a useful tool for most people (if it even gets there).

[@robby98756]

Then it'll be too late and they'll already have taken over

[@IvoPavlik]

I wanted to offer my PASSE rule, but it doesn't sound as cool as yours 🤷🏻

[@jezuconz7299]

​@@joker345172 typical AI bro

[@stacyswift191]

"A few more pcie lanes' like that's not absolutely massive. LET ME HAVE BOTH x16 LANES AND ALL MY M.2 SLOTS WITHOUT BOGGING jfc why is that so difficult. Got me looking at threadrippers just to use all of my parts in one build

[@gregritferdjr]

Egfuckingsactly

[@thelbtlover]

Tell me about it! I don't need 128 PCIe lanes but only having 24 is absolutely ridiculous.

[@RobloxianX]

This is why X299 is still a valid option for people even after Intel's HEDT got canned! We need the old Xeon-W back! Core-X but with ECC, we wouldnt mind!

[@Thori45]

I discovered this problem recently that there is no option for fully support a Gen 5 SSD and a graphics card without compromise s

[@CraigieBee]

Without using a multiplier such as PCH, PCI lanes are limited due to pin count and IO architecture of AM4/5. Want more then its going to cost you, higher pin count and a more EPYC server/Thread Ripper style design, so get your cash out for that. 24x PCIe-5 lanes to the CPU is huge, Motherboard designs could halve them to PCIe-4 and double the lanes, but they don't do that, although some sort of have done before to get more M.2 interfaces on the MB.

[@nathanddrews]

As a 7700X owner, I will definitely not be upgrading. I probably won't upgrade until AM5 is EOL and I can get a 14950X4D in the socket.

[@InvadersDie]

you mean a 42069XD

[@nathanddrews]

@@InvadersDie Oops, my bad

[@jasperstoj]

4D????!??

[@edb3877]

@@jasperstoj Yep, live holo-graphics. lol

[@uninvited298]

Zen 5 is one of the CPU architectures ever made.

[@charliehobson3129]

This is technically correct!

[@ProtectusCZ]

and Nvidia makes GPUs. Do you have any other groundbreaking discovery?

[@uninvited298]

​@@ProtectusCZ This is not a discovery. It's a simple fact. And you couldn't help it right?

[@droopy4451]

​@@uninvited298 Take a look at your original post again.

[@defranken]

It is indeed. It is also a CPU for one of the sockets ever made.

[@happyputt9709]

Just upgraded my 07 pc to a dual core 3.0ghz. Was a dual core 1.8ghz. And added a CD burner and a wifi card and USB 2.0. It's running original Doom at 30 frames!! Loving it

[@Alexminecrafter1]

cool

[@in5aneguy597]

what a show off

[@joshbuie]

Bro let's trade, I have this dumbass cpu barely even works, says 7850x3d on it... doesn't even have the intel sticker so you know it's slow

[@happyputt9709]

I'm not joking by the way, it's my daily driver running windows 11. Pay my bills and odd gaming. It's a beast! Even dual boot linux

[@timnonik2736]

​@@happyputt9709 Running win11 on a dual core seems a bit to crazy :D ryzen 3600 + b450 board + 16gb Ram (3200mhz) ~ combined 180€ new Buy I cheap 2nd hand GPU like a rx 580 for 50-70€, brings you to a total of 250€ without case, ssd and power supply. You can play a lot of competitive games in FHD 144hz with that already.

[@DDRWakaLaka]

3900x and 6700XT, I just don't feel the need to upgrade

[@mburknoe]

Wow. Literally the same. Not even XTX. Cheers!

[@Bk_owns]

Are you jealous of my 7950 3D and 4080 super?

[@DDRWakaLaka]

@@Bk_owns no. envy is a bad thing

[@GGBeyond]

3900x and RTX 2080Ti here. Had it since 2019 and it's still really good. I'm planning on getting a 5900x if I find one under $200, but otherwise I don't see myself upgrading for a while.

[@MitchellTheMitch]

Honestly, we should have 36-40 PCIe Lans. 2 x16 lanes for GPUs or RAID 0 drives, and 2 x4 for M.2 Drives

[@fujinshu]

That’s what you get on the X299 platform, which is pretty cheap if you need all that IO.

[@scepticskeptic1663]

9700x gimme gimme gimme .. love that 65watt power usage

[@TheXextreem]

yeah me with my asus rog ally 10watt power usage watching this 4k video....

[@Djuntas]

then buy 7800x3d. 55 watts in games

[@scepticskeptic1663]

@@Djuntas wow must have missed that but are you sure its 65 watt max?

[@Djuntas]

@@scepticskeptic1663 Well not to self promo my own channel but look at my video. Its like that for all games. Fuck even under full load in cinebench its only 75 watts. its TSMC black magic this x3d stuff. Anyway just watch any review on youtube. Only downside is higher idle watts than intel...20-30 watts or so.

[@theyeetus1428]

​@@scepticskeptic1663It technically has a 125 watt TDP, but in games it usually uses only about 65 watts.

[@OneTrueMomo]

Probs going to wait for that juicy 9950x3D

[@keminotv]

I fucking love Komodo Dragons

[@Vincentos-wv1ce]

Based

[@camelcase811]

brutal.

[@YandiBanyu]

Thank god you don't love fucking Komodo Dragons

[@keminotv]

@@YandiBanyu xD

[@chris6ix.]

I'm waiting for the R7 9800X3D. Will be a nice upgrade over my current R5 5600X

[@Aeturnalis]

2:28 skip ad

[@tekeagle2136]

i recently got a 7950X3D for $375, so I do not need to upgrade to the 9950X3D. The only issue is the number of PCI-E lanes. I can either do x16+x4+x4+x4 (GPU + 3 NVMEs) and have 4 SATA ports, or have x16+x4+x4+x4+x4 (GPU + 4 NVMEs) and have 2 SATA ports. I will probably go with the latter, so I can put a PCI-E x4 to 6x SATA adapter in the 2nd x16 slot.

[@dansanger5340]

I'm interested in what the integrated GPUs on the mobile processors can do. The 780M of previous generations was just enough to play AAA titles at low settings. I wonder if the 880M and 890M will enable higher settings.

[@ameliabuns4058]

Waiting so impatiently so the prices on the 7000 drop

[@socean604]

I went from Ryzen 3700x to 7950x. It works hard and delivers on all levels, gaming and work. I have worked with a 14700 in similar environments and the 7950x holds it own and even feels smoother at times.

[@PindleofKujata]

I'm rocking a 7600x on an MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WiFi. I'm good for a good long while.

[@Dominus_Potatus]

yup, for gaming, it sure has similar performance with 8 cores variants

[@pokepokepoke64]

Ryzen 5000 x3d was just barely behind Ryzen 7000 so I stayed on am4. I’m not upgrading gpus anytime soon so I’ll stay in am4 until am6 comes out

[@BenoHourglass]

Same here. Right now the GPU is my bottleneck so there's zero point in upgrading.

[@atnfn]

And 7800x3d is actually faster than zen 5. There is no reason for any gamers to buy zen 5.

[@alhadinon]

Well, I'll wait for the X3D versions 😅 But I will upgrade to ZEN5, coming from an Intel 8th-Gen Core i5 8600K...Need more cores for productive tasks rather than gaming 🙈

[@Lue1337]

Its gonna be quite an upgrade!

[@SuperReddragon90]

I'm still on AM4 so really depends on what pricing looks like. Need to see if its financially worth it to upgrade.

[@DranioK]

I was getting ready to build a new PC anyway, guess I'll just hold off a bit longer and see.

[@5h4d0w4lk3rX_cod]

When AMD Releases the X3D variants i would love to see the benchmarks from both gaming and productivity. Im actually waiting for them to be released

[@foxs49er]

Making a video based off of AMDs claims while at the same CES announcement for ZEN 5 they were caught being deceptive about the upcoming ZEN 3 cpu performance. Huh

[@BWpepperr]

We’re the Zen5 chips using a RX6600XT also? Or just the new XT chips for Zen3/AM4 platform?

[@fujinmage8201]

im still on a ryzen 5 3600 (thats zen 2 i belive) but it runs what i need it to. at least until gta 6 comes out (i have no faith i can run that on a 3600)

[@Jeff.78]

Put some money in a jar every day until GTA6 comes out and then upgrade. You'll be amazed how much you have in 2030.

[@nikm5628]

The first time I ever got into AMD was with my Opteron 165 in socket 939 on a DFI motherboard, overclocked sightly on air. I still have it, sadly a cap died rendering it unbootable with an error code

[@Scxe]

This video format with fewer shenanigans is better, imo.

[@aarongarcia2911]

I'm kinda excited about the newer chips going into standalone VR headsets. Closer and closer to a pcvr

[@torsten_dev]

If the uplift is in branch predictions does the gain evaporate with Meltdown/Spectre mitigations enabled? Or are we perhaps in for another hardware bug?

[@Respectable_Username]

For the laptop chip, I just wanna know two things: can the NPU do the Zoom background replacement better while using less power (so I can take meetings from the couch), and how good is the iGPU at playing recent big games like BG3 at ~medium settings, so I don't end up needing a separate desktop or console to enjoy the experience?

[@Guartorias]

What's really not clear here, is if the desktop chips will have these AI NPUs built in as well? Or if that's a mobile only feature.

[@ZerkyYT]

gonna upgrade from my i5-7500 to one of the x3d variants probably i can't wait for it!!

[@mikedropmeta]

My main computer (~6 years old) just died a couple of weeks ago so I am 100% aiming to make a new top-of-the-line PC; Going to be getting a lot of both long-term parts (Memory, Drives, Power Supply, a 9950X) and short-term parts while waiting for releases (Motherboard & GPU). I know the X3D versions are coming out in September, and AMD is reporting they did a lot of work on the 3D Cache, but I am still a bit unnerved by the past problems with X3D (mixed cache issue & thermals).

[@heirtothethrone000]

I'm definitely gonna be looking at the 9900X with the 120W TDP for a new 5L SSF build, so I'm just waiting on pricing.

[@HedgehogY2K]

5200 to 5600. Yeah, they tend to do that. Incremental default speed increase every generation. I'll see what I can do with the A12 9800 with memory overclocking, fastest I've ever seen on the internet is 2616MHz, basically 2666MHz. For some reason I can't find benchmarks between 2400MHz and anything else around it. I see 2133 pitted against 2666 all the time but that's not a fair comparison when 2400 exists. BTW-yes, I'm still going with that Bristol Ridge FC8 Alpha plan. I know, it's not gonna be much better than my i7 620m, but it's the form factor that allows me the flexibility. I needed PCIe years ago and I've finally built my first PC build, now I just need to... FIND! A way to power this thing. This power adapter had better support this PicoPSU.

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

What

[@MattiCore]

already asked AMD & Lisa Su for a special 9999X special editon :D hitting 6ghz with 100mb cache at 250w TDP! xD

[@Warhorse469]

keep dreaming kid.

[@aaruvchoudhary]

I will be buying ryzen 5 8600g in the first week of july as my first build. So should i wait for 9000 series or just go with it

[@bouldaa]

benchmark results are my only determining factor

[@dylreesYT]

I would've been so excited if the desktop parts had NPUs with upto 50 TOPS. Am I the only one who wants private (on-device instead of in the cloud) access to all these AI features?

[@Rouxenator]

Sticking on AM4 with the 5700G

[@oscarmike47]

my appdata folder is getting rediculously large like 650gb + large. dispite uninstalling a lot of games and programs. is there a way to easily puge stuff from the appdata folder or do i have to go throuh each folder manually and delete stuff.

[@hdz77]

Can't wait for the 9900X3D

[@MrNooobie]

I was on zen+ until recently (zen3) 😎😎

[@erictayet]

I'm on 5900X so the 9900X or 9900X3D will be my next upgrade. I'm very interested in the Ryzen AI and wants the Recall function. However, if the Vcache is on BOTH CCD, then I have to see if the downgrade in clock speed is still worth the extra gaming performance. Since I game at 4K, the FPS gain from 5900X to 9900X3D is probably not going to be more than 15% on the 7900XTX. My main concern is still productivity so a higher boost clock is still more important for me.

[@crazy_mind-ox8if]

I'm still rocking my 2700X from 5 or 6 years ago. So this seems pretty compelling for me. Get in early on AM5 so I might get 1 more upgrade before EOL.

[@paulhcan]

I prefer to wait until the new tech is announced & then buy the best current tech as the price comes down. My experience is that at least it's more stable if not as fast or as efficient.

[@senjux7514]

Much love from Germany

[@BaronCAD]

Ya, assuming benchmarks are good, pretty sure my next upgrade from AM4 is gonna be x870(e?). I'd actually make good use of the USB4 ports - my intel laptop with USB4 ports runs circles around my desktop rig when it comes to tasks like full drive backup imaging to an external USB4 ssd. The additional PCIe lanes seems useful for things like more m.2 drives and a 10gbs ethernet card. It's not an urgent upgrade, but feels like a 'nice to have'.

[@Adstral]

I wont lie i kinda need those lanes

[@bythelee]

Happy enough with AM4 5700X for now. But will be watching benchmarks and comparisons with interest. If it's good, then might well be tempted to go for AM5 by Black Friday sales... Torn between the power efficiency of 9700X versus waiting for an X3D version. Also a bit surprised the memory speed boost wasn't bigger. I thought 6000 was already the "sweet spot".

[@NoobLord98]

I'm still on Zen 3 and doing great, so why would I upgrade?

[@shiba7651]

What's even the point of releasing this video before reviews? It all depends on availability, pricing and performance.

[@rhoharane]

Apart from not having price info or third-party benchmarks, any number of things could happen too. Why talk about it on the abstract and just parrot AMD marketing for a premature techquickie? What's going on?

[@EATSxBABIES]

Well Im gonna be honest, not too sure something WITH NO BENCHMARKS warrants me getting a new mobo, new RAM and rebuilding my entire PC sans case. Too much money to commit with too little info.

[@goelo553]

hi eveyone ! someone know if the 9950 has eco mode like the 7950 ? thanks

[@hasanmujeeb8922]

Excited to see how this competes with Qualcomm

[@thelaughingmanofficial]

How the hell would I know when they're not out yet?

[@antonisautos8704]

Just waiting on zen 6 and rtx 6090

[@Haldrie]

Lately I ask myself one question when it comes to considering hardware for building a computer. Can I effectively still run it with Windows 10 and still do all the things I'm doing now with it? If the answer is no (aka all the newer Intel and AMD CPUs like this one) then I simply stick to older hardware that will still run effectively on 10 because I find Windows 11 to be even more hot garbage then Windows 10 and if the software I use still let me use it on Windows 7 I would still be using that instead. I really don't care how powerful this new hardware is if I'm forced to use it under a version of Windows that has me wondering if drilling a hole in my head wouldn't be less painful then dealing with it. I really need to look in to moving to Linux but that is another headache I'll save for a later date and chances are I might find myself still needing to use Windows for something even in a VM from time to time even if I did move to Linux. Also if I never hear the term "AI" again I would be very happy with how it's being used these days and the last thing I want is an "AI" system running on my local machine let alone having my data "in the cloud" to process.

[@annareismith6843]

I am sick of AI. I do not want it, and it is more cost for something I most likely will never use any time soon.

[@sezwo5774]

The six core 9600x drawing only 65w with much improved IPC is going to make an excellent cpu for a new AM5 build. This socket and CPU will be powerful enough for now and will have a great upgrade path for the future.

[@Blue_Fish_Cadet]

Is this processor enough to run Crysis or Doom?

[@samlevi4744]

Did they skip X770 or did I miss it?

[@lucifermorningstar4606]

Wait, Pulseway looks exactly like netbox... anyone care to explain?

[@EricFixalot]

In my opinion since AMD is so well known for their CPUs, they should do more with integrated graphics. I really wish they’d apply strong graphics (like 780m) to a low end budget friendly CPU with like 4 cores for less than $200.

[@Dominus_Potatus]

Yup, if they can give us an iGPU that can play title such as Hades (representing all indie games) at 120 fps or CS2 at 240 fps. I think it will be a great emulator CPU and casual gaming

[@seraphin01]

I have a zen 2 desktop with a ryzen 7 3700x currently.. so upgrade to zen 5 seems like a no brainer I guess

[@tccraig]

If there’s a 10800GX3D with RDNA5 Radeon integrated graphics (and PCIE lane speeds and counts on par with the 9000 series unlike how the 8000 series has so much less than the 7000 series) I might consider the upgrade

[@RobloxianX]

9600X looks like a good OC option. You could just overclock it an extra 0.1ghz and you'll be good to go.

[@kg4wwn]

I am not planning on getting Zen 5, but I am really hoping it drives down the price of Zen 4 a bit.

[@StatedByTony]

Those mobile chips are really low on the cache part...

[@EB01]

I will be waiting for benchmarks, and the 9800X3D that will probably be released Q2 2025.

[@octaviusmorlock]

I, with my Ryzen5 5600x: Which gen am I again?

[@Airbigbawls]

Been wanting to buy a 7900x3d so we'll see if it's much better or not

[@___aZa___]

same

[@the_golden_s5682]

Isn't a 7800x3d objectively better? Or do you need the productivity/gaming balance

[@___aZa___]

@@the_golden_s5682 i, at least, need the cores, case i virtualize a lot. i am running a few VMs with different applications, cause i use linux and some programs just dont run through compatibility layers.

[@GSBarlev]

The best thing about these incremental improvements-especially if you couldn't give a kumquat about "AI ready" capabilities-is that they're bringing down the price of older stock. The 7900X3D is a beast, and if you can pick it up at a discount, it'll probably last you up through AM6.

[@Airbigbawls]

@@the_golden_s5682 It is objectively better but I want more cores for productivity work like making games and coding, otherwise I wouldn't even go for a 7800x3d and just get something even cheaper.

[@tankaccount2990]

Ryzen 5 3600 with RTX 3070, hoping the prices come down so I can pick up a Ryzen 7 5700X3D, need it for the fast compilation speeds for programming

[@Zachmandew]

If there's not an option to change the registry nor opt out of copilot, I'm switching to Linux.

[@Snappy1143]

I believe Microsoft has backpedaled and said they will make it disabled by default and you have to opt-in, at least for the recall thing

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Can they get the 9950X3D right? My dream CPU if they can (9800X3D might also be interesting). I'm not as interested in the normal stack. The 9950X might tempt me if the X3D is much more than it should be in terms of pricing. Anyone who upgraded in the last 2-3 years might be able to HODL until the last or a later gen though. If it's not major I might go for GPU upgrade again. My CPU is often bored. Will see when we have reviews and benchmarks.

[@lordmetzgermeister]

I'll be waiting for a 9800X3D and based on reviews maybe upgrade to that.

[@aF-ml2zl]

Do we really need higher benchmarks? Shouldn't we be leaning into lower power draw and greater stability. Or, maybe keep the monsters in one group and make a new line up that focuses on efficiency.

[@Yellowredstone]

I'm still waiting for their new GPU announcements. Not even for gaming, I want to be able to run an AMD with an LLM so I don't have to rely on web services.

[@Mihnea729]

We ll see !

[@2BXD]

Is it July or September???

[@Montisaquadeis]

My AMD Ryzen 7 5800x3d should easily last me a good 10 years+ for 1440p@144/165 gaming with a GPU upgrade or 2 in the mix. Currently running a 3070 Ti right now

[@RayRayIsCoolio]

my ryzen 3800x is fine. sure id love a new cpu but do I need a new cpu?.. probably, idk

[@MightyElemental]

I was thinking to upgrade my 5600x, but that'd involve upgrading basically everything. Not sure it's worth the price.

[@spacemeter3001]

I'm waiting for the laptop chips because I need an upgrade and the iGPU is supposedly as good as a rtx 3050

[@Cynic_6489]

meanwhile i'm still planning to go AM4 with a 5700X because of price

[@Rkcuddles]

I have an i7-8600 cpu. Will I see significant difference?

[@moomoo5537]

Yes!

[@GalvinW]

I feel like AI is wasted space. Just like when nvidia first started adding cores for RTX. I think it'll be many years before AI is so good that it's worth having built into your CPU

[@guyincognito9410]

Just tell us how it runs Factorio already!

[@JG-ti7id]

i dont need zwn5 but am happy for progress

[@AndyHerbert254]

Wait, they're on Zen 5 now? Everyone's still like on Zen 3 with their 5800x3D...

[@joeynebulous816]

I'm still on the original Ryzen 1600 non x from 2017. Still a beast in my opinion.

[@GSNLYT]

Guys, is it a good time to buy a 7800x3d with a 4070 super, or should I wait???

[@ComeonmenID10T]

i wait until AM5 and all components with it is established before i upgrade to anything, until then my AM4 will do just fine

[@amcdonald7479]

Waiting to move from AM4 to AM5. Just waiting on 9800x3D

[@Serketry88]

My hope for Zen 5 is deeper discounts for Zen 4.

[@geigenunterricht8684]

How much is the fish?

[@Saleh_kaz]

Waiting for 9950x3D.

[@InvadersDie]

the real question is, can it run 4 sticks at 6000?