Is Anomaly Becoming A Problem In Zenless Zone Zero?

[@zenlessrehoo]

Been watching a lot of Faze Jev and kinda wanted to try out his live commentary style of video, ITS HARDER THAN IT LOOKS LMAO, just a test to see how y'all and I like it, ill see if i do another like this lmao

[@Ragnarok-7]

Gotta cut up the commentary more for Jev's style of vid, but still a great video overall :)

[@justin0thernerd654]

If we’re comparing limited 5 stars, at the end of 1.4 for there will be 4 Anomaly and 3 Attackers. If you include standard 5 stars it’s 5 and 5. It feels like we’ve gotten nothing but Anomaly, but that’s partially cause we started with a deficit in the Anomaly class. At the end of 1.4 every element will have a 5 star attacker, and Anomaly will have everything but Ether. My guess is Hoyo felt like they needed to have both types of dps in each element as quick as possible.

[@justatypicalyoutuber8402]

Exactly. Watch them churn out tons of Support/Stun/Defense units in 1.5 and onwards lmao

[@kmel3588]

Exactly, Break teams in HSR for the longest only really had RM as their only real unit. Then in 2.0 we got a lot of break focused units and new break mechanic with SB and everyone complains about it despite Hoyo just bringing the archtype on par with all the others

[@Kindi001]

For me Burnice is the real Hidden game and Will always be use if you play Disorder. while Yanagi you need share onfield Time with Her which isneed you require build 2 Anomaly with same stat and Build. where Attacker Character The Stunner can Dip only at Lvl 50 with lvl 4 core and Full Invest to the Attacker. Thats why i highly value of Jean/Piper and Burnice. Burnice didnt Need Share onfield Time, Piper and Jean can Trigger Assault whenever they need. Just Pray the Power Creep wont be catch up so fast like HSR

[@CrimsonKaiserx8]

So like this really isn’t an issue at all… this has happened both in genshin snd HSR respectively where we start off with a certain attribute or type of character class lacking so in order to fill that void the devs simply release units to fill that out… Like let’s not pretend this game didn’t launch with 5 borderline 6 attack units at the beginning… you had billy, corin, Anton, solider 11, and nekomata… and that’s including we were literally given Ellen and Zhu yhan in the 1.0 patch right at the beginning of the game… That’s seven attack units… and we had compared to this TWO base game anomaly units in Piper and Grace… like it’s so easy to see the devs are just backloading the initial lifespan of the game with anomaly units rn… this will be a passing trend only for them to inevitably come back around and release more attack units… We have harumasa as well so that’s 8 attack units compared to the 6 we have with Miyabi coming soon… and attack still have more options as of current… Idk understand why all of you make such a big deal out of nothing when your just going through the stereotypic fandom reaction to this…we all know how this goes based off prior history in other games like this won’t last much longer so calm the fck down and relax instead of blowing this all out of proportion…🤦‍♂️

[@garthashneirlagansua3063]

yeah thats true, anomaly characters becoming a problem cuz all of them so damn hot, and my wallet is in danger.

[@anagramhound]

FACTS

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

this is an acceptable answer.

[@That_One_MF_0]

What I observed: Anomaly: Hot Attack: Cute

[@justatypicalyoutuber8402]

It’s probably because we started out with a crap ton of Attack units and Hoyo is just making sure the Anomaly department catches up. I guarantee you that after 1.4, we’ll be getting more supports by then because that’s the department that’s lacking at that point in time.

[@thedg2531]

People were saying yanagi would be mid btw and that Jane doe was still anomaly dps queen lol

[@masene4121]

The main difference I've noticed between Anomaly and Attack is that Anomaly, while higher damage initially, "burns through fuel" faster than it can replenish; Burnice, Grace, Piper and, to a lesser extent, Yanagi all are tied to energy and I often find myself running out of energy on them, while Jane has her dodge bar. Attack characters on the other hand never have resource issues while still maintaining a competitive (even if it is slightly lower) level of DPS. Zhu's ammo lasts roughly as long as most boss's stun bar, Ellen can easily replenish her stacks, S11 just needs timing to maintain her damage window and Nekomata just needs quick assists. Shiyu Defence with it's strict time limit plays into Anomaly's Strengths, while invalidating Attacks. When we get our next endgame mode, if it's the return of Ambush Node, or even just Rally stages I could see non-Jane Anomaly's running out of steam before the end.

[@Shadowscreemer]

From my experience so far, Crit-based DPS agents require way more set up before they can shine. Ideally, you want some kind of Stun, Support/Defender and then Attack (builds may vary). Once you have a correct set up, you also need to execute a fairly lengthy combo, which if disrupted, it's efficiency drops quite a bit. In contrast, Anomaly agents are fairly low-maintenance, but you are somewhat forced to juggle Disorder triggers with your Anomaly Build-ups, other than that your base damage is fairly low. Because of this, Attackers feel easier to use against low HP and stationary enemies, while Anomaly feels better against mobile targets (due to stagger from anomly trigger) with moderate and high HP. However, not all of it is true in the Endless Mode of Battle Tower. Every enemy stat was crancked up so high, it pretty much flips the arguments above. Depending on the enemy, you many no longer be able to get propper Disorder combo going (tho it's somewhat easier with Yanagi), but your regular attacks might as well not deal any damage. In that case, higher base damage of someone like Ellen or Zhu Yuan can punch through the enemy's armor and damage reduction, outpacing the DPS of Anomaly/Disorder builds. Hilariously enough, grunt enemies with buffs get put into the category of moderate and high HP in comparison to the base game, so clearing a large group of small enemies is easier with an Anomaly agent, rather than an Attacker. More than anything tho, Endless Mode is a skill check. You still need fairly good stats to attempt it, but it's not something you can simply brute force through, no matter how meta of a character you use. Except for Ceasar. That's the only mandatory character for this mode, alongside Avocadoboo.

[@Roe777]

With the Ultimate rework in 1.4 they need to make Attackers the undisputed kings of ultimates. Give them faster decibel gain and bigger ultimate multipliers than other agent types. Then make Supports that increase ultimate damage and Attackers are back

[@wafaay7182]

Here's my guess : anomaly units will have faster decibel generation than attack ones and the first limited support that will be released will buff anomaly units. And I wish I could tell you this is just my negative thinking but this is litteraly what leaks are saying will happen. Hoyo has decided to make the attack archetype inferior in every aspect

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

do any enemies have a significant anomaly resist? cuz like, when supports start rolling in it may well be that the enemies start getting anomaly resist cranked up lol

[@spoon1050]

I felt like Yanagi looked too much like an npc but she grew on me. The parrying, the dashing, the stance dancing, the LEGS!!! She's a blast, ended up maxing her out too.

[@kliphord123X]

cant be saying characters looking like npcs in this game lol

[@sjin1ne]

No, I don't think anomaly is becoming a problem on the game. On the end of the 1.0 patch of the game, you had 2 anomaly characters, and had attacker for every role, even if it's just a A character. Anomaly wasn't even working properly, as they didn't fill the daze bar. That was fixed on 1.1, and they start to provide more chracters to raise the anomaly pool in the game. At the end of the next patch, you will have an S attacker for every role, and amoly for all roles except ether. I think these characters that are being released are dope, they are inticing players to try to pull for them, as you can see even on Shiyu defense. The same way characters have a buff on anomaly dmg done to enemies on shiyu defense, they can swap it for stunned enemies take more dmg and raise their crit chance for a few seconds, making you think that attackers are back. As for attackers, I still think they ae still pretty legit, but they are giving them worse matchups to play (especially Ellen), as they want to sell you the solution (Miyabi). You should wait and see what is in store for the future patches, and look at shiyu defense when Harumasa banner is up... And I could even think they also will start to release more support/defense characters after 1.4, mostly because of the Tower...

[@escahiro6538]

I think anomaly is an issue in how it ignores an entire game mechanic that every other character needs to interact with being the stun bar. Imo jane doe is the biggest offender and breaks the game because she deals heavy front loaded dmg. And if you know how to use her properly, you can have infinite passion state.

[@MrChickenicecream]

I don't think they're broken, they're just easy to build. I believe attack units will out scale anomaly once player's gear quality goes up over time. Because I'm looking at the burst damage of Zhu Yuan at 150% crit and I'm imagining that once I'm able to reach 220%+ crit damage reliable how much stronger she would be.

[@dankwolf442]

Yanagi carried me through tower from her built in parry during stance switch. Once you get the timing down, Yanagi is nearly unkillable. Very fun agent!

[@Sines314]

The thing is, Anomaly pairs well with Anomaly. Attack wants to pair with a Support, and we have no 5* Support except for Rina, who is Standard, and whose support is awkward and more for Shock anomaly characters. Once Zhu Yuan and Ellen get an upgrade to Nicole and Soukaku, it'll even out.

[@thebonuslvl]

true, but then those limited supports will probably also buff anomaly units lol

[@sjin1ne]

I don't think Rina is only for anomaly characters. You can pair her with Anby/Qingyi and Anton, but most people don't like Anton's playstyle. I think we will see about that when Harumassa comes out and someone gets him.

[@vinhinh6810]

I mean unless the support buffs crit, I don't see how u can't run anomoly/anomoly/support

[@sjin1ne]

@@vinhinh6810 if an enemy is shocked, all members electric dmg increase 10%. That with the fact the she can give a penetration buff to every member on the party buffs every not only anomaly characters but also attackers...

[@sjin1ne]

Also, Soukaku doesn't buff crit, and despite that, till now she's the best supporter for Elen teams

[@gajeelshadowdragon]

As someone who has been playing for about 1 1/2 months and only having two anomaly characters( Burnice and Piper) they have been a huge help in certain fights…. However I feel the overabundance of anomaly characters compared to all other roles does feel like a bit of a stretch, like yeah super strong great for teams but geez they are so overly done I feel. Almost easy mode when you run them.

[@papelerayt]

it hurts to see all his dps agents lvl 50 😭 like bro go max them to lvl 60 for better dmg like zhu yuan or ellen or jane doe shes the best dps anomaly

[@gunzkiller101]

This isn’t shocking how much we are getting, when you consider how little anomaly we got vs dps in the beginning. 1 S rank and 1 A rank anomaly. Where as dps we got 3 S rank and 2 A rank dps in 1.0.

[@wafaay7182]

I think the problem isn't the amount of anomaly units released as much as it is them dwarfing attack units. It's now a waste of time to pull and build an attack character when you can just build an anomaly one of the same element and they'll do 3 times better. Ellen ? Why get her when you can get Miyabi Harumasa ? Why build him when there's yanagi Any future physical attack character ? Why would hoyo bother making them at all when Jane exists And when a limited ether anomaly gets released then Zhuyuan will become the equivalent of wasted resources. Every attack character has become a SKIP from now until the end of the game. The dev team messed up balancing that bad. Anomaly is the equivalent of superbreak in hsr or dendro in genshin, the difference is the other games had those broken mechanics appear later in the game's life. Anomaly has immediatly ruined the balance of zzz and it is unfixable except with crazy powercreep, which we might as well drop the game all together at that point. My Ellen feels awful to play, I fear for Zhuyuan and I can't even be excited for Harumasa despite liking the character because I know he won't do as good as Yanagi, I also never intend to pull any physical attack units because I already have Jane. At this point we might as well only have 4 character archetypes in the game because the 5th one is just a weaker version of another. Edit : by the way, about the part where you said that they need to be careful with supports because they risk buffing anomaly even more. Care to guess who the first limited support will buff ? Oh, who could have guessed ?! Anomaly ! The first limited support is rumored to be a Miyabi support. As I said, R.I.P to attack units...

[@timogul]

Having played a lot of Zhu Yuan and then now a lot of Burnice and Yanagi, I have learned just how much I HATE the "stun and then burst DPS" meta. It is just awful and I have no patience for it anymore. If they build more Attacker characters, I hope they are NOT "stun and then burst" types. I hope they are designed to do most of their damage _outside_ of the Stun window.

[@Kindi001]

i mean there is attacker relient on anomaly like Neko and Anton but didnt squeeze dmg that high. while something like Billy M6 able to dealt High Dmg because how his Ult get buff dmg up like 100% just by trigger 2 Chain attack when enemies get Stun. i think the Problem is the Duration of the Stun feels short. even when i play Zhu Yuan i didnt manage unleash all the bullet with 2 Ex Special. This kind of Attacker is who relient to Stunner so the Better your Stunner is the most dmg you attack can dealt.

[@timogul]

@@Kindi001 Yes, it's just annoying. At the very least, I would like to see "while stunned" effects changed to like "30 after applying stun" or something, so that you have plenty of time to unload after each stun and don't need to rush it. Even so, I just do not like the stun meta at all, and would much prefer an attacker who does bonus damage when NOT stunned.

[@Zephyrbow]

Here before tectone reacts to the vid

[@MICHAEL-Z_Z_Z]

I think we only have one five star support and it's rina

[@XenogearsPS]

No cuz anomoly is fun to play they have unique kits and playstyles.

[@thelastgamurai]

I lost to lycan 😖

[@Astheticvibe1403]

Same here but I grinded for like a week and got her just do anything you can to get polychrome

[@SlicedMango17]

It’s not a problem at all.. it’s the only interesting mechanic in the game, similar to elemental mastery and elemental reactions in Genshin They’re guaranteed going to release some broken attack and stun characters later on to power creep

[@vulcaniel9348]

Havent watched the video yet, but i don't think its a problem, the meta kinda revolves around the latest units released in a gacha, it will only be a problem if the new attack units can't compete with the anomaly ones.

[@progaming-ok8tq]

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