Is AROS The Future of Amiga?

[@paolobesser3382]

Hello, I am the mantainer of Icaros Desktop and I would like to thank you for your video. It's always great to see proofs of appreciation of all the astounding work AROS and 3rd party apps developers have done. I am just trying to mix them all together in a way they can inter-operate to get the best possible modern Amiga-like experience.

[@electrictroy2010]

I don’t even use a computer anymore. I do everything on my phone, except when I’m at work (Windows laptop). Amiga desktop is pretty dead .

[@BiohazardX9]

@@electrictroy2010 maybe to you but definitely porting old OS to modern day hardware is very useful. if you knew anything about desktops, you'd realise that workbench is actually pretty useful. This (Aros), React, and Haiku are all very impressive OS's.

[@keyboard_g]

Is the source to Icaros available to view? I couldn’t find a link on the website.

[@johnjoyce]

@@keyboard_g I could not find source either.

[@kotyz85]

@@BiohazardX9 Haiku also has a decent webkit-based browser capable of youtube playback and a ton of apps ported over from linux (mostly qt/kde apps) including vlc, libre office, telegram desktop. Most usable from all of these small alternative OSes. Too bad they don't have any working arm port, it would be perfect desktop OS for raspberry pi.

[@50MGG]

Many years ago I hacked together AROS to run on a modified XBOX, had soldered 128MB ram also to be more useable, great fun, still have that machine kicking around somewhere :) Maybe it's time to revisit it again.

[@mshular]

With AROS, I wish we still had Fred Fish around. He rallied a lot of the community to open source and helped us get the tools needed to bring the platform forward without Commodore. AROS is the future, but getting a group of Amiga developers to agree on anything needs a respected early leader behind it. If only Carl Sassenrath or someone of the like would step up

[@manuel-xax]

I was about to post "+1", despite it felt too few. Then I remebered I still own various Amiga, so as a much deserved tribute, here they come in "+" form :-) +500 ! +1000 ! +4030 !

[@mshular]

@@manuel-xax I started pretty late into the game around '95. Still got a 2000 (040) and a 3000 (060), with a plain jane 1000 in the mail. Never has another computer inspired me to dig in and enjoy using it even before running any software like the Amiga has

[@manuel-xax]

@@mshular I owned a 2000 (later added a 030+882 accelerator board). The 3000 is the one I never had, despite it was the most beautiful beside the 1000. Just like you, in my eyes the Amiga was the most inspirational computer I ‘ve owned. It took over 20+ years before I started to really like a lot (almost « an Amiga lot » !) another computer. That other computer is my base model M1 MacBook Air, by the way.

[@KiraSlith]

Welcome to "The FOSS Problem" Amiga Community! Seriously, give it a few years and next thing you know you'll be having arguments about which variant of a dozen FOSS system components (that all do the same thing) is "better". In another ~20 years you're going to have an executable format war that will continue... effectively forever. Cheers, from a begrudging Linux user.

[@EmperorGoodwin]

Not sure how useful Carl would be given the ups and downs of his Rebol project.

[@Vorper]

Pretty incredible that this level of OS is done by a small developer. KZbin what it takes to make a modern OS, the resources required are massive

[@fuzzywzhe]

OS itself is pretty simple. It's the applications on top of it.

[@somesalmon5694]

I figured the biggest problem would be drivers especially with the lack of documentation for devices especially graphics cards and peripherals although those aren't necessarily as important.

[@Kalamatee]

Great video, Dan. Always nice to see some appreciation of the massive amount of work people have contributed to developing AROS, just a shame more with the ability/knowledge don't get involved.

[@fcf8269]

Beside doing it for nostalgia, if there is no revenue model, people with skill and ability and knowledge won't spend their time on it. Unless you have free time to spend and prove you can run raytracing on an atari 800 to show how skilled you are, anything else is done mostly for the purpose of getting money in your bank account. If they start to sell AROS, you can bet that more people will try to make a check out of it, and you will see people with skill and knowledge joining in.

[@cinemint]

The elephant in the room is that the mascot might be the reason people aren't talking about it as much lol

[@SônicoRJ]

I agree. The creator of this mascot is a furry degenerate. Even if you put those things aside, i find the design of this mascot quite cringe.

[@cinemint]

@@SônicoRJ it's basically ensuring that most women in tech never take part in this project

[@vurpo7080]

There's a little thing I'd like to note: RAM disks are also a built in feature used by default on Linux - your /tmp directory is a RAM disk and you can create other ones anywhere in your filesystem by creating an empty directory and mounting the tmpfs filesystem inside them!

[@sashakoshka]

/tmp is not always stored in ram

[@judgegroovyman]

@@sashakoshka that's true they are only stored in ram by default. they can be configured to be stored elsewhere of course but by default they are like an amiga ram disk.

[@judgegroovyman]

thats a good point! I never thought about how similar the /tmp and the amiga ram disk are.

[@judgegroovyman]

thats a good point! I never thought about how similar the /tmp and the amiga ram disk are.

[@CrassSpektakel]

Let me correct you: tmpfs is optional and must be loaded as a module and mounted through /etc/fstab. If you don't do that then /tmp/ is just a directory on your drive. Using tmpfs is also recommended on SSDs to reduce Write Load. Under some circumstances tmpfs can be a problem, for example I have a system which has to sort Terabyte-sized files - and guess where the temporary sort-Files are created... in /tmp/... as long as your computer doesn't have several Terabyte of memory you can forget about that. Therefore on that System I disabled tmpfs - sort also offers to relocate the temporary files but as this system does a lot of similiar things I decided to just make a clean cut.

[@somesalmon5694]

I would really love to see these os' being ported to the new upcoming risc-v architecture :) this would be a really fun potentially smaller code-base to learn more about os development, especially with an open architecture with more and freely available documentation

[@bilbobaggings]

Absolutely brilliant look at AROS from you. Used this many years ago and even then, i found that it was very good.

[@samshort365]

I have installed AROS two or three times over the years and I was pleasently surprised, although I could not consider it stable enough for regular use. Recently, I unearthed a complete UAE system I created 20 years ago and archived onto a dvd ram disc. I had set up the emulation to boot into Scalos and I must admit that in the early 2000s it looked really cool. In fact, I would have liked to have owned an A4000 in the day, but they were far too expensive for me buy. Following the demise of Commodore emulation became the only way of having a decent experience of this platform, so I dedicated a machine to it. The Internet was not as sophisticated as it is today and any browser could provide connectivity. However, my concern about the Amiga/ AROS/Morphos platform today is that it will remain an oddity for nostalgia and only of interest to a few. In its current form it could not replace a productive environment like Windows, Linux, Mac Os or even BSD. I also reserve this sentiment for Haiku, React and Risc Os. In fact, I tried to install Haiku onto hardware two weeks ago and it didn't work. This is unfortunate as, at one time, I used BeOS 5 Professional as my main system, before moving to Linux after the Zeta fiasco. Today I have a dedicated Raspberry pi for RiscOs 5 and I love it, but I still need to access a PC for printing and KZbin. My point is that whilst people like Paolo Besser and other developers are doing a fantastic job at keeping these environments alive, I often wish the diversity had never died. The Amiga would have evolved into a wonderful modern platform in its own right. Given the enormous resources required to create and maintain an OS I think AROS and the like should be ported to unix/Linux as a layer just like Mac OS is over Darwin or Android is over Linux.

[@xPLAYnOfficial]

To get around the lack of USB boot, I bet this would work with Ventoy, which is a tool that lets you launch ISO files from a USB drive. This would probably be the best option currently until they get a native USB installer option working.

[@AMIGASYSTEM]

No lack, Icaros and AROS One can boot from USB, but you can also create a PendriveLive to install AROS on HD !

[@HoldandModify]

Well now I don’t need to make this video for my channel. Mine would’ve been terrible anyways. Lol. Great video Dan!!!

[@TemalCageman]

Yes.... you are the most underproduced and poorly produced Amiga channel on youtube anyways... ;)

[@pkf4124]

Great video Dan, With ICAROS Morphos and Amithlon we have it covered. how ever it would be some much better if everyone just played from the same song sheet, then we could have something really great.

[@TYNEPUNK]

Thanks Dan, looks like Icaros has come a long long way, the integration is what interests me the most, I might have to try this on an old netbook! Great video, makes me wonder how easily we could port chrome or something :)

[@spaingerusmacos9894]

You don't have to, run it hosted and you can access chrome or Firefox and other apps.

[@joefish6091]

Try a competent all-in-one , picked up a bargain Acer qusd core many years ago at wallyworld, runs FS-UAE on nix a dream.

[@ricky865]

It would be cool if Hyperion ported Amiga OS 4.1 to ARM. The same can be said for Morph OS.

[@SkynetCyb]

Do they even have devs left to even issue bug fixes? I can't remember the last time I saw any news about anything new for OS 4

[@robertgijsen]

In terms of support Hyperion must be the worst company I've ever dealt with. I bought kickstart 3.2 and the floopy edition, as I like to be able to install my Amiga like I'd have had to do it 30 years back. But it's missing several floppies (ie the diskdoctor one). After more than half a year of mailing, posting on their facebook and even TRYING to get my forum account acitivated I downloaded the ISO from Pirate Bay. My patience only goes to a certain level. I won't expect anything at all from Hyperion. I'm absolutely grateful for their software and kickstart (which is why I bought it) but the company itself is crap.

[@Anticorriente]

ARM not but RISCV.

[@brodriguez11000]

Borrow from industrial computers the passive backplane. Everything active on daughter-cards. Less obsolescence, and easier to change and upgrade.

[@espenskog8745]

Thanks for this nice review. I liked seeing how the seamless emu mode works. Could you do the same review but with MOS ? Would be nice to hear your conclusion/thought on these two on such a side-by-side comparison.

[@jamesmattson6813]

Dan, I believe you mentioned you might do a video on AROS ONE !AROS ONE Ver 2.0 was just released and looks awesome,Hope you decide to take a look at it soon and better yet decide to do a video on it!You put out some awesome and very informative videos!

[@aresaurelian]

A basic modular program perhaps that can: 1. Be a working rigid and stable word processor, 2. data editors/transformators (music/sound/images/video), and 3. coding IDE with streamlined, minimalistic design, with option for additions. (VScode style?) Once the coding option is working we can allow the community to work through it to mass produce other solutions. Because it is Amiga and the rigid old systems it should be a low level language as its base, but provide optional extensions for the higher level programming languages if possible. Just an idea.

[@desreb740]

Loving the preview and commentary.. when came to audio, we need to hear ((hopefully ASIO will be a good implementation. Thnx

[@RJLightning68]

Been considering running AROS as a way to playing classic Amiga games and software. Might run it on my own retro PC's

[@synthshoot1026]

Thanks for laying out this video like that as it clarifies allot of confusion.

[@Ashley389100]

I watch a lot of vintage channels there's no practice point to them but I enjoy watching them 😀

[@boydpukalo8980]

Really cool video. I bought a Vampire V4 Standalone last year and have Coffin, 3141, 321, and Apollo OS (fork of AROS). I only got into Amiga 2 years ago. Oh yeah I also bought a x5000 motherboard for OS41 with an AMD RX590 GPU for OS41and just added a Radeon X1950XTX which Morph OS can now use with hardware acceleration! Expensive but cool.

[@TemalCageman]

Wow! Are you dualbooting your X5000 (AmigaOS4.1 and MorphOS)? How do you set that up?

[@TheDesertBlizzard]

I like this. Would like to see more about making this a nice environment on real hardware, and videos describing how to get the most out of Janus to take advantage of the amazing 68k back catalog classic Amiga offers.

[@DennieSparkman]

I love this. I'm downloading it now to install on one of my older laptops. I'll put all my old Amiga games and test as many Amiga apps as I can on it to see what happens. This will be fun. "Never give up, Never Surrender" :P Thank you for posting this video.

[@AmigaCammy]

Aros is awesome! I used to have so much fun beta testing software on my Aros PCs, it's so ideal for Amiga hobbyists and such a shame it gets ignored or overlooked.

[@bobfromsoireegames4309]

Another great video Dan. This is an interesting OS for sure

[@timdaeleman]

Great video again! Make sure you check the AROS versions for the Vampire as well: ApolloOS & Aros Caffeine. BTW the name for directory is drawer, not folder in Amigan :P

[@danwood_uk]

Yeah brain fart on “folders” 😖

[@amigang]

Aros ran surprisingly well on old netbook acer inspire one, I remember it supported all the hardware of that device too, wifi, usb drives, vga out, I used that for a time as my Amiga fix on the road (and did website programming on that netbook) it was a great little package. I think when the dev focus on one device the system was much better for it. Aros is a great Amiga solution but it does still need a bit more spit and polish so to speak. I hope the platform popularity improves, because it does deserve more respect for being an alternative to all the legal mess that let’s face has cast a shadow over the platform ever since commodore went under.

[@spaingerusmacos9894]

The reason for the support of that particular device is because Steve paid a developer to get drivers for it.

[@RemnantCult]

I must admit as someone looking into the Amiga ecosystem, it feels like a very closed off space in a way. That's just been my first impression.

[@SasaPaunkovic-camplus2]

Great review, as always. This is important topic for the future and it's nice to see use of gnu/linux codebase. Linux will also benefit from Icarus Desktop as well

[@jensdroessler3575]

AROS needs much more support by the community. If there‘s a future for Amiga, THIS is it. The only thing I really wish for is better integration for native 68k Amiga apps. As it seems now it loads a whole emulator, a whole 68k OS and runs apps there. I‘d say that‘s basically the brute for e approach. We need to trap API and OS calls to use the native x64/ARM API and OS functions, so that all those functions like drawing windows, opening requesters, library calls and so on run at full speed on the host system.

[@joefish6091]

Using QEMU or UAE to run proper old school Amiga apps and 68K code is the sensible wsy to do it. The core and philosphy of AmigaOS is recusive reentrant code, pre-emptive multitasking, strict kernal control of apps and routines.

[@jensdroessler3575]

@@joefish6091 And that didn't change with AROS. As long as all handles, hooks, APIs etc. are compatible at interface level, it would work. It's how other emulators work, it's how Apple's Rosetta works for the third time.

[@johalun]

A big problem is always going to be hardware support and the amount of effort needed to support just a few PC models. I would be in favor of focusing on a popular platform like Raspberry Pi however their Broadcom GPU is closed source so no way to get accelerated graphics. Even with open source hardware, just writing a GPU driver for a different OS is an insane amount of work. Considering this I strongly believe the best future for AROS is hosted on Linux. You get all the benefits on the Linux kernel (support for basically any hardware) while the Amiga devs can focus on the user experience and the userspace software stack. Heck, even add kernel support for m68k binaries and maybe even emulation in the kernel for a seamless integrated experience. I don't mean to diminish the hard work of AROS devs, they have done an amazing job. But trying to be realistic, this is my point of view.

[@Bleats_Sinodai]

I am both surprised and not surprised about seeing Eric W. Schwartz artwork accompanying such a project.

[@stephencooley5523]

On a OS which try's to be a future version of the Amiga OS Workbench would it not been better to include Gloom 1 and 2 instead of Doom.

[@dyscotopia]

It would have been nice to see a game running in 68k integrated mode with the Amiga Forever roms. I admire the passion and if they get the USB drive option solid, I'd check it out for old time's sake. I wonder if they could include the Linux kernel as an option to increase the library by an order of magnitude

[@TemalCageman]

Lots of external USB optical drives to buy if you ever need that CD, DVD or BlueRay. And they are quite cheap.

[@NOPerative]

If the Icaros img is a standard ISO format then Ventoy on a thumb-drive will run the image without any need for formatting - merely drag and drop the ISO to your Ventoy image directory on your thumb-drive. I've messed with Icaros in the past, but was in VM systems like Workstation & others. Had recently looked at Aros One myself (like January 2022) and it does look fantastic. Good vid.

[@AMIGASYSTEM]

New version of AROS One 1.8 released visit AROS One Home Site

[@SenileOtaku]

Presuming the Icaros ISO doesn't do any oddball boot tricks (you can't use Ventoy to load a MacOS boot image for example). But since they seem to be using GRUB for booting the disk it may work fine.

[@TheDoctorFlay]

Anyone else notice the error at 13:15 ? No Dan they are not called folders on Amiga. Stand in the corner and face the wall.

[@danwood_uk]

Yep, long day 😩

[@catriona_drummond]

The Amiga scene has always been a hot mess. I remember the flamewars of 2001 when The "traitor" MorphOS broke away and competed with a not even released Amiga OS4.

[@GlensRetroShow]

Great video my friend.

[@mfs5493]

The future of Amiga is the nearest landfill. Where else?

[@xeschire706]

Powerpc is still around in the form of the power architecture, you can get a some parts for building a power9 developer workstation desktop from raptor computing, plus the power architecture, the same architecture behind the older powerpc processors is open-source now. The latest version of the power isa, is v3.0 the same version behind the newer IBM power10 server processors!

[@pauledwards2817]

It’s a great project but think UAE for 68k is a bit of a jump in the wrong direction. It rather mimics the way 68k Mac apps ran on OSX. A complete os running in the background. OSX flipped over to running powerpc applications on OSX intel with then at the mercy of the OS with an application running mixed PowerPC for the application with API calls going to intel. Bet very few 68k apps are well enough behaved to live in that world.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

This true, AmigaOS programs depends on hardware they run on for sound its Paula chipset, for timing it’s the CIAA/CIAB chips, and for graphics its Denice, taking out this chip means the games do not know what to do. Also, API has changed over the years. Some programs will only work on a particular kickstart version.

[@keyboard_g]

Thanks Dan, this looks great. My reservation about using AROS beyond playing is security based. Linux has the benefit of thousands of engineers working on it and apps.

[@Francois_L_7933]

But AROS has the advantage that not a single hacker would bother with it. Security through obscurity.

[@bzuidgeest]

@@Francois_L_7933 security thru obscurity is a horrible fallacy. It only takes one. Anyone decides to take advantage you have no protection at all.

[@Francois_L_7933]

@@bzuidgeest That's quite true. I wouldn't trust it with my banking info that's for sure. But I don't think anybody would really take advantage of a system that is used on a few thousands of computers worldwide when there is a gazillion Windows PC's that are often very poorly maintained that could be accessed.

[@piotras2137]

can you change the kickstart in emulated amiga?

[@CoolDudeClem]

I still consider 2009 & 2011 a "modern day" year

[@awesomeferret]

It is the the grand scheme of things. The proof is how a ten year old pc can still play 1080p60 KZbin perfectly and can still browse the web perfectly (with slightly choppy scrolling, of course).

[@SenileOtaku]

2009 is still recent history to me. It's kind of like seeing people saying how they were watching "Lucky Star" when they were kids, but *my* anime growing up were "Gigantor" and "Speed Racer".

[@micflynn1]

I use a Toshiba P105-S6197 Laptop with 4 GIG Memory and a 120G HDD. I have FS-UAE Linux usb boot, installed on the HDD so when I turn on the Laptop it boots straight to an Amiga 500 with WB 1.3 : I can add ADF disk to the folder to boot games or workbench etc by using a windows bootable USB drive to edit the Linux HDD files. You can edit the Config file to boot any Amiga you want, 500 - 4000. I also use FS-UAE to configure new systems and test them, then just copy the new system config file to the laptop and set the system config file to boot the new system.

[@DFX4509B]

This would be a cool use for an old A4-5000 board.

[@sdgx0]

damn that catto looks dashing

[@gettingpast4391]

I dont understand why Amiga os demos always feature a paint program as the big prize. Who cares about a paint program! How about somehing useful like torrent, chat client, modern email client, ftp client, ssh, anything modern. I am a huge amiga fan and love where aros has ended up and would really like it to also be useful on a daily basis with a decent networking stack and utilities preinstalled.

[@umbrollo]

Great to see Morph OS working still on PPC, there must be a ton of PPC out there

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

OLD hardware == DDR2 or old GFX cards, no 3D support, or no hardware video decode support, and no PCIe and you have its maybe v1.0 or v2.0. so its slow. yes the last G5 are pretty good, but they are noisy. But comparing AmigaONE-X50x0 to low spec PowerPC mac is disingenuous.

[@SidebandSamurai]

Brilliant review. Thank you for your work.

[@NeonEUC]

As always Dan, another classic vid, I haven't watched it yet.. but know its going to be worth it as soon as I crack the beers open and watch this. Also a big thank you to you, Joe and ravi in advanced as I asked for the Amiga Adidct mag for it to be autographed by you guys. I'm in fa ebook jail for the next month so I will post it on your wall and the retro hour to let people know how awesome you, ravi and Joe are. Million thanks once again Dan. Means a lot to me mate 😊👍

[@Francois_L_7933]

I tried it a few years ago on an old netbook as I thought it would be nice to have a very small portable Amiga, but I ran into issues with the WiFi that I just couldn't work around. So it sadly went back to being a Linux device.

[@camthesaxman3387]

Most laptops have a removable WiFi card, and you can swap it out with one that's compatible. The Atheros 5000 chip in my Eee PC works great with AROS.

[@paolobesser3382]

Just install an atheros 5000 minicard in your netbook instead of the included one. Netbooks fly with Icaros.

[@Francois_L_7933]

@@paolobesser3382 I'll have to try that. I know the netbook has an atheros chip in it, just don't know which one.

[@chrystals.4376]

I thought by the time BeOS was discontinued that unless it was Open Source or based on it then most Desktop OS’s have no chance against Windows or Mac. The past few decades of the state of the Amiga platform confirmed it for me, while Chrome OS, based on Linux, has lots more end users, and it’ll continue growing with OS Flex. So I wish the AROS community well , but I still want OpenZFS, WINE, and a lot of other things I’m not sure they’ll have resources to include any time soon.

[@VenturaIT]

Is there any benefit to using Amiga in 2022 other than fun and nostalgia? I've never used an Amiga, ever.

[@SenileOtaku]

Well, I've gotten so fed up with the GNOME folks wilfully and intentionally breaking GTK for all the other desktop projects, I'm actually considering other operating systems (and NO, not MSWindows). Either that or go really retro and recompile CDE for Fedora 37.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

Well, it has different software library then Linux, it has understandable structure, it can be educational. Other than that NO.

[@steelhorseman2482]

How well does it run on laptops?

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

Only if you are carful about what model you pick. The hardware support sucks.

[@fmlazar]

MorphOS actually isonly fully operational on a very limited subset of PowerPC Mac systems

[@1kRAM4kROM]

Shout out to Jon Potter, author of Directory Opus, mentioned in the video! Cheers from Kiwi (Nexus)!

[@JimmiG84]

Amiga doesn't have a history of open source. The OS itself was always proprietary and closed source, and most of the programs and utilities we used were shareware and closed source as well. I'm guessing proprietary systems like AmigaOS 4 just "feel" more like Amiga for some due to the business model (closed source running on proprietary hardware). For those who are interested in open source, Linux provides a much better experience, with far greater hardware/driver support, a huge software library and support for modern features like multicore CPUs. If you're looking for the nostalgia of classic Amiga, FPGA or even emulation provides an authentic experience.

[@joefish6091]

Try Aminet , most of what made the Amiga scene great was open source.

[@davidwalker1652]

@@joefish6091 The vast majority of Aminet is not open source.

[@JimmiG84]

@@davidwalker1652 Yep most of it was shareware, especially back in the day (I had my A1200 online 1996-1998). This has actually become a bit of a problem since many of the original developers aren't around, making it impossible to legally get hold of a license key.

[@dataterminal]

If you have Amiga Forever, they have AROS as a prebuild image ready to go. Double click and it launches directly into Wanderer (Workbench). Probably a little easier for most people, rather than trying the x86 build booting from a live CD and hoping it works with your bare metal hardware, or if you lack the actual Amiga to try it on.

[@bbuggediffy]

People boot the live cd in a virtual machine on their x86. They do not boot it and hope it will work.

[@dataterminal]

@@bbuggediffy Dan literally didn't do what you said in his video. He even mentioned using Amgia Forever to copy it over. It's almost like you've not even bothered to watch the video before jumping on my comment. Do you even Amiga Bro?

[@tatianabasileus]

@@dataterminal I'm a bit doubtful Dan actually booted it on bare metal, because there was a VMWare VMSVGA driver popup during the install. I'm not sure if that'd pop up on real hardware, maybe Dan can clarify.

[@keyboard_g]

Its like 1990’s ui paradigms in modern window frames. Hard to inspire the future while hanging on to UX design that has long since been surpassed.

[@AbAb-th5qe]

I would call it surpassed, just out of fashion

[@TemalCageman]

I actually find AmigaOS 4.1 way more flexible regarding UI compared to Windows 10. Even back in the days when I had a super-expanded A1200 with AmigaOS 3.9 + a bunch of free software that I downloaded from Aminet.... I could customize my UI waaaaaay more than I can with Windows 10. And that is back in 1998-2000.

[@toby9999]

I prefer the old 1990's ui paradigms. Unfortunately, Windows ui design moved further away from it over time. Windows 8 was the final nail in the coffin.

[@garybyron8735]

Unfortunately, this OS doesn't seem to be UEFI compatible....a must today. My main system has no way to do legacy mode.....

[@awesomeferret]

Heck, I'm a new prospective user and I'm interested. I think this may be the time I finally buy a PowerPC based Mac Mini. I'll start trying it on my iBook G4 first though.

[@Strikeforcer]

Thanks Dan, Keep up the Good Work. Amiga Nut 🙂

[@av_oid]

I feel the same about GnuStep, great software, not enough people using it.

[@belstar1128]

Looks great a lot better than windows 11 for sure i wish something like this was a mainstream os the only thing i don't like is the sketchy mascot.

[@ibrohiem]

No it doesn't the hell you talking about. It looks like a linux distro from 2005.

[@paolobesser3382]

That's Amiga, a computer of the 80s which had to live with hardware boundaries of the time, and in many ways it won on them. But time has lasted and yes, AROS looks really old for todays standards. We even lack of hardware acceleration for the desktop operations, which is something that became quite common only 15 years ago. But now we are in 2022.

[@Sparkles8514]

need an update video using AROS One

[@KingNothing22]

There is no distro for raspberry pi. if you can show us how to install it to a pi, please do

[@EirikVea]

13:17 *"Drawers" :D

[@danwood_uk]

Argh, brain fart lol

[@RHTORAS]

what is the point of this os ? I MEAN what can we do with this os and pc's except from playing Amiga Games ?

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

I guess the point is recompiling AmigaOS programs for faster hardware, sadly AROS fails because its not 100% source code compatible, and you can’t build 680x0 assembler on x86 machine, you need to first port it to C/C++ code. And even if you did that, it wont work, as you need the Amiga custom chips to make old software work.

[@james5583]

Love this! I've totally missed that this exists ^^ you seem know a thing or two so maby you know if there are any program out to "filter ' a modern song too an modul-song and automatic scale the voice away, stripping it, if you know what I mean. Regards

[@RobertKloosterhuis]

I think if I were to set up a computer I'd love to get a more modern computer up and running, get some nice looking badges for the case then find out if I could get a modern keyboard with custom keycaps. Somehow using a keyboard with windows layout and keycaps would takeaway from the look.

[@toby9999]

I owned an Amiga 500 and later a 2000. Great in their day but what's the point of an Amiga in 2022? I see it as being even more niche than Linux. Does it really compete with anything current?

[@negirno]

Yeah. Same with BeOS/Haiku. I remember Dan did a video about it and it was very lacking. I wanted BeOS to succeed but its fate is pretty much sealed when Apple bought NeXT.

[@electrictroy2010]

I don’t even use a computer anymore. I do everything on my phone, except when I’m at work (Windows laptop). Amiga desktop is pretty dead .

[@JimmyCall]

The only way there's a future to these older ecosystems to to program on a intermediate language that's close to machine language, but interoperable. ILVM maybe an example. That would allow software to be independent to hardware, if you implement the core language interpreter.

[@jasonhowe1697]

.the bigger question to ask how far do we want some form of an amiga OS to go.. and how far do we want it to go to support the hardware need

[@EchoByrnes]

I just got into raspberry pis, and I wish I could use this on one of them

[@PierceAndjelkovic]

What is PalPC Dan keeps mentioning? Is it similar to PowerPC for the UK market?

[@satierkuuma5767]

How does dev applications run like AMOS and aztec C++ or how do you build aros compatible windows programs?

[@briankeller5565]

I have two boxes of 3.5 floppies of Amiga software, is there anything setup so that I can have those available?

[@Shadowfoxxy30]

Hello can you help Me I'm Having an issue with my (PiStorm32Lite) for my Amiga 1200. I followed all the directions according to the PiStorm Wiki. for some reason every time I boot my Amiga I get a Blank workbench screen and a message in the top left hand corner of the Screen that says " you must insert a Volume Containing LIBS/icon.library in any drive" Now I've tried looking up this issue and I've got lost can you help me Please.

[@Pyllolla]

Hello. It's not a PiStorm issue, it's a rather common Amiga side issue. I assume you are using Hyperion's kickstart version 46.xxx (aka 3.1.4) or 47.xxx (aka 3.2.x.y), in form of either couple of chips on the motherboard of your Amiga 1200 or as a "kick.rom" (aka kicka1200.rom) file which should be part of your PiStorm32Lite SD boot card. Modern kickstarts lack some libraries, which were moved to disk, such as the workbench.library and the icon.library. Unfortunately, it looks like your boot device (on the Amiga side) lacks the icon.library, or it became unreadable for whatever reason. You have to get a icon.library version 46+ somewhere and manually put it into your "SYS:Libs/" drawer, then reboot and everything should work fine.

[@Shadowfoxxy30]

@@Pyllolla I've since fixed it. my self

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

I think that the AROS needs to be gone through with a fine toothed comb and packages that are incomplete or crash should be removed until they have been completed and got working.

[@paolobesser3382]

I agree on this, and that's why I am always asking people to report issues, compatibility problems, regressions and any software package that won't work as expected. I generally remove them from the distribution until a fix has come. But while this happily happened in the past, today I don't receive feedback anymore and problems live unnoticed up to the following releases.

[@Test_Card_Tom]

Can you run DPaint IV AGA and Wordworth 7 on this system?

[@fourbypete]

There really needs to be an online portal where you can get real time help. My biggest complaint with Amiga 3.2.1 was the back and forth between forum and PC became too tedious for people like me trying to get back into the old machine. Also, I notice that the real machine experience isn't as good as the emulated PC experience.

[@neyoid]

I had no idea computers from the 80's could do these things

[@grhmhome]

I like running Aros, but the issue I have is hardware acceleration

[@nickcliff]

Does look pretty good

[@bitset3741]

Icaros is great, but not all PC hardware is supported. I have found a lot of hardware that is really good, but the best I have found is an system running with the Intel GMA 950/945 chipset. I have had trouble getting the new Janus running in Icaros too... I got an old Compaq/HP Mini 110c I got on eBay for chip that runs great. Lately I have been using Amilator. Amilator is a minimal live Linux bootable that loads up E-UAE on start.

[@protocetid]

finally, new Amiga videos

[@Kilroy_5150]

Dan, do you have a "working" link to the latest AROS Vision for the Amiga? All the links i've found are dead.

[@davidnickel3949]

whar ever happened to the rtos based replacement?

[@pianokeyjoe]

I do not know how many times in my life I have downloaded this and the original AROS x86 OS but never really had the desire to really try it fully.. Until NOW! I did not see whether it is for 32bit systems only or if it can be a 64bit OS with support for more than 4GB system ram?And of course, playing some mp3 files to hear the audio drivers working would have been nice. I am assuming I can run this OS on a P4 system with 2GB ram and a onboard intel graphics and onboard intel audio? Most machines now are all onboard VGA and audio and lan ports and usb2. So it will be interesting to find out what works and what does not. I have never had an amiga but I love the ideas of what Amiga systems are: ROM based GUI preemptive multitasking with protected memory based OS on a chip, that then extends its capabilities with an HDD for additional apps and drivers,etc but not crucial to the safe and reliable operation of the OS which is on ROM! Sadly, real Amigas are slow, limited and no longer reliable with age. The OS is the one thing that attracts most of us since that is where the real nostalgia, appeal, and indeed, innovations for a multimedia based ROM based GUI OS can be seen is. Amiga 4.1 failed not because the OS was crap, but because the HARDWARE being so damned expensive and proprietary, was it's trap and ultimate demise. I am surprised that OS 4 can not be shoe horned into a very available MAC G4 tower like MorphOS. But hey! We have AROS!! Which if , my testing proves to be what I hope it will be, can be the best revival of Amiga...OS, there is to date! As you said, in other.. words lol! Bars and Pipes Midi/audio sequencer.. Man o man! I hope I can force that sucker to work! I think you need a Soundblaster PCI or ISA card for THAT to work though.. Some of those legacy music apps DO require true MIDI interfaces and audio cards to work. I hope.. I hope :-P

[@joefish6091]

Go find a cheap SH quad core all-in-one system, something about five years old. MorphiousOS, Imac G5 roughly 2GHz PPC , coupl of GB of RAM, the last ones were 2005.

[@joefish6091]

PCI sound and midi cards are cheap on ebay.

[@doctorsocrates4413]

Unless they sort out the browsing aspect and compatibility with youtube etc then this os will never gain traction..i love the amiga btw.

[@mheijink]

Does the Amiga have a future? Well not like what we're used with PC's. But there are still people out there programming games, music, applications and demos, especially on Next Gen Amigas to show the community and world how awesome it is to programm something new in retrostyle. AROS is key for this. Anyone can use this OS without the neverending license shizzle.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

No, its legacy OS for a nostalgic trip, it is slowly improving but its hacker OS, not something you want to use, if you want security, its also not OS you can trust to not crash on you.

[@mheijink]

@@kjetilhvalstrand1009 hmm well the original Amiga OS wasn't quite secure either.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

@@mheijink That’s what happens when you try to copy everything.

[@CoolDudeClem]

I wish I could have an Amiga style desktop on my PC instead of the boring standard Windows one.

[@Jadensad]

If it isn't even at the same level of development as the average Linux disto then it's not going to work,if Amiga had survived then it would be comparable with Mac OS,with a fully updated supported browser,streaming/twitch,and modern video editing,no one under 35 will touch it,Amiga is retro and the future is in the past.

[@Textra1]

But what makes it an Amiga? Does it run classic Amiga software natively? Or is it just an alternative OS with Amiga badges?

[@jjdigitalvideosolutionsllc5343]

Does AROS or any other AmigaOS option offer a built-in file-sharing feature, for sharing between AmigaOS set-ups and/or sharing with Win/Mac environments? What about a screen-sharing feature?

[@edmundjohan9713]

Hello. Nice video. Can AROS for ARM procesors be run on TheA500 mini? Have you tried?

[@kttkyt3060]

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