You Should Daily Drive Haiku OS

[@hanro50]

KHTML, the original KDE web browser, was actually forked by Apple to create webkit. Gnome web uses webkit as a base. Google eventually forked webkit. Rewrote the js engine and created chromium and chrome. And now KDE has essentially forked chromium to create Falken

[@SockyNoob]

Lmfao

[@actuallyasriel]

The circle of stupidity is complete.

[@StarterX4]

Not really. Falkon is just a front-end for QtWebEngine, which is just a framework for Blink engine. But yeah, there's still [almost] the same Blink as in Chromium. Gnome Web uses WebKitGTK. As if they would switch to Blink (though there's no real GTK framework for Blink except the WebKitGTK?), that browser would not be as tragic as Internet Explorer. KHTML development stopped like ten years ago. Probably devs assumed that if there's a much better Blink engine, there's no point pushing into the aging KHTML, and instead focus on other parts of KDE.

[@avcat1209]

Truly all these forkers should just quit forking around. The original mother forker who first decided to fork with things should have been the only instance of this forkery. These dang forkers are eventually going to fork things up so bad. Everything will be forked up beyond all recognition. At that point we will all pretty much be horse forked. 🤣

[@adwaitagnome]

You can still use KHTML in modern versions of Konqueror, just beware that you won't come KDE 6. It also won't be a very usable experience.

[@dataterminal]

It's a shame HaikuOS couldn't embrace ARM faster. It would have taken those Raspberry Pi boards by storm.

[@user-lx2ep9hd4k]

I'm sure that will eventually improve, given the small team, Haiku is pretty much in it's early stages of development, I know it's been out for years but keep in mind they have only one full time contractor

[@mrhaftbar]

I have to be blunt. Haiku is niche and will stay niche. And I say this as someone who ran BeOS on Intel from 4.5 to the leaked dan0 back in the day and enjoyed every minute of it.

[@user-lx2ep9hd4k]

@@mrhaftbar I love some of the features Haiku has. I would really enjoy the ability to stack every kind of app into one window, or the ability of every app being a widget for desktop like those clones. Or the haiku port software which makes some ports as simple as just writing a recipe file

[@grexe]

@mrhaftbar BeOS R4 developer here (built my first PC to be BeOS compatible when it came out for Intel:) that's not necessarily a bad thing, and a niche can find its crowd and grow from there, just like Linux in early days. Haiku (and BeOS) has some unique advantages through its modular design (from independent single-purpose OS services all the way up to the UI), native metadata support with consistent user-exposed support of filesystem attributes and queries, a data-centric design (very different from app-centric approach in other OS's), and its fresh take on the UI, not to mention a well designed API with native messaging for inter-application communication and automation. Not to mention efficient resource handling, multi-threading and overall snappiness.

[@godnyx117]

​@@mrhaftbar Hope it stays a "niche" and for elitists! Linux has to much drama and so much wasted time trying to support so many packages and ecosystems! As a developer, Haiku seems to be very cool!

[@morganwolf]

The irony of KDE integrating a browser that's a Blink fork after it forked from Webkit/KHTML to begin with shouldn't really be lost on anyone

[@uzernaim1648]

what does all this mean lmao

[@serqetry]

It's awful that they would do that. You can never fully de-google the google stench off of something chromium.

[@DonVintaggio]

the worst irony: haiku a supposedly modern os based on BeOs legendary multimedia capabilities, after 20+ years IN ETERNAL BETA CAN'T EVEN PLAY KZbin VIDEOS AND THEY CALL ITS NATIVE BROWSER POSITIVE.

[@carlwheezer1544]

this is probably why i will never switch to linux, this is all gobbledygook to me

[@PineappleForFun]

​@@uzernaim1648 KDE had an html rendering engine called khtml, used in their file manager and web browser, konqueror. Apple forked it to make WebKit. Most of OS X userland is under a BSD license where the original source code is open but you can keep your fork closed source. Khtml was GPL though, so all derivatives must also be open source. This led to Google and everyone else taking it and basing their browsers on it too. Chrome? WebKit. Edge? WebKit. Everything but Firefox basically.

[@kote315]

Haiku is a suitable option for very old systems, where even lightweight Linux distributions cannot work well enough. If the video card is so old that there is no chance of using 3D acceleration anyway - at least everything else in Haiku can run a little faster than on other systems. (But if you want the fastest way to do nothing useful, definitely try Kolibri OS.) On all other systems, Linux will obviously be a better choice due to compatibility.

[@pankoza2]

Ah yes KolibriOS I remember putting it on a USB and booting it on my old Acer laptop back in like 2017

[@sovo1212]

Haiku reminds me a lot of Puppy Linux.

[@myhandleiswhat]

I installed a lighter Linux distro or two on my oldest laptop which is over 15 years old at this point. It runs fine considering its rather light power performance. Dual Core core intel processor and 6 gigs of RAM and like 512 mb graphics card. The only real issue I have using most Linux distros or otherwise is the computer won't wake from sleep properly, but even Windows 7, the version that shipped with the laptop struggled to wake. A version of Arch worked perfectly but I wasn't using it often enough to keep it up to date so... yeah...

[@kote315]

@@myhandleiswhat When I talk about old computers, I usually mean something single-core with less than 1 GB of RAM and an AGP video card for which drivers no longer have full support (eg.Radeon 7200 or GeForce FX 5200...)

[@NicVandEmZ]

@@kote315 what is a good os for Acer Aspire 5534 AMD Athlon L310 1.20 GHz 4GB Ram [938]

[@epremeaux]

It really is kind of crazy (for someone who grew up in the 8-bit and transition era where PCs finally became "good" for games), that the benchmark for a daily driver is having a reasonably modern, compatible browser. I would say that my criteria for a true daily driver is : both browser and compatible office software (libreoffice, of course available on Haiku). But.. with a fully up-to-date browser, you could skip libreoffice and use google docs. Thus, the browser is really the critical thing which opens a lot of doors these days.

[@HappyTribble]

The Interwebs became the "killer app" that every OS (back then) was hoping to find to get the mass migration to their platform. Gaming aside, the OS is almost unimportant, so long as it can browse properly.

[@connemignonne]

if I did some kind of work that required (libre-)office on my daily driver I would quit my job before getting a different daily driver 😂

[@kasimirdenhertog3516]

I like the aesthetics of Haiku, reminds me of interfaces from some 90s games. For example, the dialog @ 5:09 is just so neatly laid out, no weird padding or clashing fonts, perfectly matching icons and tasteful use of gradients.

[@AdhamOhm]

I tried BeOS Personal Edition (Haiku's ancestor) back in the summer of 2001 and I remember being wowed at how clean and futuristic the GUI looked for being free software.

[@ericmackrodt9441]

I've been playing with Haiku for many years now and the main thing that always held it back is the web browser situation. I hope this is the fix we need to make this OS usable in the modern era.

[@matt92hun]

So you can use it as a daily driver if your expectations from a daily driver is to illuminate your room with a screen.

[@AIC_onyt]

yeah. same goes for the BSDs

[@EXP_Jenova]

@@AIC_onytI just switched to BSD recently and am really confused by these comments. I’m running my games just fine, and if I *really* need a certain Linux program, I can just run it with FreeBSDs built in Linux compatibility layer.

[@amelia_tar_gz]

​@@AIC_onyt lol. FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD all support ACPI backlight.

[@theoriginalneckbeard]

Obviously for people that are into actual computing, not for average consumers and creators.

[@matt92hun]

@@theoriginalneckbeard Sure.

[@der.Schtefan]

It was such a good OS, fitting a complete graphical OS on a single 1.44 MB floppy! That was the coolest thing ever. QNX and BeOS are my secret heroes.

[@Cmdrbzrd]

why mention QNX in a video about Haiku of all things?

[@Tall_Order]

Yeah I know, that's what I missed about early versions of Mac System pre-7. All you needed was a System folder, with a finder and system icon inside it, and your floppy would boot into a desktop. It was a good time period.

[@userlandia]

Aw, shucks, thanks for the shoutout! And in a video about one of my favorite obscure OSes (both in vintage and modern form).

[@rnts08]

Given standard c/c++ libraries most other software should be compilable on it. Needs for daily driving: Compiler/dev libraries and interpreters for common langauges IDE/editor Modern browser Basic utils like ssh, git, gnu toolchain, curl/wget Virtualization support

[@Lampe2020]

And possibly also support for getting assigned a different root location (like Linux and Window$ seem to have), so it can be installed from a Ventoy stick.

[@yomurita]

Haiku has ssh, gcc, kate (editor, kinda ide), curl and wget though.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

@@Lampe2020 It can be installed from a Ventoy stick.

[@Lampe2020]

​@@FlyboyHelosim For me it fails with a kernel error, stating it has no root. And on ventoy's forums they said that Haiku doesn't support booting from Ventoy as Ventoy cannot tell the kernel where to look for the root.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

@@Lampe2020 Well all I know is that I've got it on a Ventoy USB stick and it's worked for me.

[@sn1000k]

I love that you're advocating for this. I'm pretty stuck in with linux just because i like esoteric free software, but I'm down to try haiku again. I'll give it a spin.

[@BoogerwolfJones]

how was it???

[@neonvortex]

I really really wanna try out haiku but my touchpad uses i2c and theres no working driver for that in haiku yet :(

[@MattLacey]

I don't think anyone who used BeOS back in the day can fail to still be enamoured with it. It was so damned good. Been following Haiku since Open BeOS was first announced and it's so, so, sooo close now to doing everything I need.

[@Underestimated37]

I’m actually of the opinion that haiku is the missing piece in the question of what is needed to create a new alternative mobile OS for tablets and smartphones. Obviously the GUI wouldn’t be suitable, but because it’s a project that is separate to the windows/nix space it could be a great opportunity to build a lean and sturdy system. Considering how the Steam Deck has recently proven how Linux can quickly become mainstream so long as the GUI and User Experience is solid and there are plenty of apps, it proves that alternative systems have a place in the market.

[@keyboard_g]

Haiku’s XServer emulation is arguably more elegant and streamlined than Linux’s XWayland to get older X11 based apps to run on modern display managers.

[@Wingnut353]

It's easy to be "elegant" when you don't support hardware acceleration at all...

[@Pocket-Calculator]

Being better than Wayland is a really, really, REALLY low bar.

[@QuantumGarage]

I really like seeing your Haiku/BeOS videos, I have been playing around with it for a year or so now, and it seems to be getting more and more features. Looking forward to seeing more vids from you on it

[@mclarenf1gtr99]

A barebone windows 98 like OS is something that tickles my fancy. A simple system that works on everything from 2000 to most recent hardware and consumes the same resources regardless of hardware used. Not liking the way of 5+ year hardware becoming obsolete because "innovation" and "progress" of new OSes.

[@Dr.Mohandes]

Haiku os is criminally underrated

[@aeaeaeaeoaeaeaeaeae]

The RX580 is absolutely amazing. Super cheap used, fast enough to run basically anything to be perfectly playable, and excellent driver support.

[@solowkaver3592]

All that and it's only in Beta. I could easily use it as a daily myself. Kudos to all the volunteer programmers and enthusiasts who have worked so hard for so long on this effort. I can't wait for R1 to come out! Note the 32 bit version is the BeOS compatible version - so far. I run the 64 bit version and enjoy it!

[@awa0927]

Could you daily drive Haiku if you actually had to run programs like Zoom, Steam, or Netflix?

[@solowkaver3592]

Probably not but I don't use those applications regardless. Many people do and for them just keep using Windows or Linux.@@awa0927

[@nukelet]

​@@awa0927absolutely not, especially Steam (which requires a LOT of linux-specific hacks to work)

[@leency]

Haiku doesn't even have 2D acceleration by video-card. So single CPU power is crucial. Recent CPUs will handle KZbin and other staff much better, than 10-years old one.

[@psilimit]

Fun fact: You can successfully Daily Drive WinXP, Win98se, and commandline-only Linux (no gui/X). XP has some (involved) stuff you can do to it to make it safe and reasonably modern. 98se will need a second machine to run a web proxie service that converts modern web pages into images for an old browser to render...it's pretty neat. Linux CLI is...very functional. That said...please don't daily drive these things. Leave the old windows to the retro screen and the CLI-Only to the servers. (No really, these things are GREAT at doing thoes things!).

[@starfoxdelta]

This all sounds neat

[@WolfireGaming]

Once Haiku gets better graphics card support, it's gonna be a killer. That seems to be the big performance hurdle these days that every OS (besides Windows, of course, because contracts and money, thanks Michaelsoft) struggles to jump over.

[@boingaon]

Is performance really a problem today given how powerful computers are? I use Windows and it never really stalls or freezes.

[@54nnu]

you seen the shit starfield and cities skylines 2 are demanding for? my ass gotta milk for everything out of my 2060.@@boingaon

[@fordesponja]

@@boingaon It's just projection on their part. I understand the excitement of seeing something you loved 30 years ago going again, but the video and the comments are just delusional. Neither modern Windows is a bad operating system despite its problems with bloatware and data collection nor this OS is a daily driver of absolutely anything modern, and not even old because that Diablo 2 run like my old Pentum 166mhz without 3D acceleration and he didn't even tried to flinch the mouse when Minecraft was loaded because probably the VM it's running on is also on very preliminary state to even draw enough frames on. I just can't with this.

[@alvarohigino]

​@@fordesponjaModern Windows OS is terrible.

[@fordesponja]

@@alvarohigino Tell me you didn't live the Win32 era without telling. Windows has been ok for the most part since 7. I know in the power user echochamber is in fashion to signal a hate boner for Windows, but for regular people is a serviceable OS.

[@akeem2983]

I heard about Haiku a lot, but I always felt like it's a niche, experimental OS that can't be used for daily driving. I had no idea that so many things work flawlessly on it! Thinking about giving it a try myself, didn't knew that another modern and usable desktop OS apart from Windows, MacOS, Linux and FreeBSD does exist and is that cool

[@ReverendJasper]

BeOS ran great on my K6 system back in the day. It took me several years to find a dual CPU box to really have some fun. I still have the GoBE discs around the house somewhere.

[@grexe]

I had a similar setup:-) GoBe Productive was awesome back then, running circles around other office suites with fast and interactive zooming and instant feedback on any change to the document, ditching then mainstream *modal* "OK/Apply/Cancel" dialogs but instead providing real-time feedback on any user input! That was the mantra of BeOS and it felt like an OS from the future (which it was in a way).

[@ReverendJasper]

@@grexe it was so nice to have a machine at 300MHz that outperformed the 800MHz NT box at work. It was heavenly to have a Dell Precision 410 on dual P3-500s to play with, sadly only after Be's demise.

[@grexe]

@@ReverendJasper yeah, it booted in 8s even on a rotating hard drive back then🤩 and you couldn't kill its filesystem, unlike with all other OS's at that time...

[@birds352]

Admitting that HaikuOS doesn't have 3d acceleration and then only showing a still image of Minecraft while claiming you can """play""" as a daily driver is disingenuous.

[@pvc988]

I have one machine running Haiku, but I seldom use it now. I tried compiling modern Firefox on it but failed miserably. Good to know that there is a proper browser for it now. Definitely going to check it out tomorrow.

[@pvc988]

Took me couple of days, but I tried and I like it. It runs great not just on Haiku but on Linux as well. The only big downside is that neither FF nor Chromium extensions may be used and native extension gallery is rather empty. It has an adblock but it's not good enough. Otherwise, great browser!

[@nubius]

I was a big fan of both BeOS and Haiku but it is difficult to have as a daily driver. This is progress, and it's still super cute ^_^ Thanks for posting this update.

[@nuclearmonster]

Love your videos, especially the “cable management” today, very funny. Was thinking to check if ioquake3 would run on Haiku until you mentioned the lack of hardware acceleration. Hopefully we can still get it working.

[@tankgrrl]

DUDE! I was quite literally thinking about this last night as I set up a new machine for occasional remote use. I too loved BeOS and thought to myself 'I wonder if I could just run Haiku on this instead of another boring Linux install'. I think you just convinced me to give it a go. :)

[@pjbeardsley]

In the 90s, at my first job out of college we had a loaner Be Box for some contract work. Someone showed me two videos running simultaneously and my head exploded.

[@Shlappy306]

BeOS always had such fast install times, thanks for brining back that memory for me. I too have loved BeOS since the 90's. I bought every version right from them. I was really rooting for them! When the whole PalmOS thing went down, I was excited for a BeOS tablet. great video, I'm going to give it a go.

[@GoogleDoesEvil]

Good to see alternative OSes that are not Unix-like :) I never liked how Unix works and contribute to the ReactOS project for this reason.

[@bobweiram6321]

I'm going to throw up if I hear about another "cool" UNIX distro. It's time we move beyond UNIX.

[@kennygee2715]

I would love to see alternatives to MacOS and Windows that are not Linux. in the 80s and 90s we had a lot of choices: BeOS, Geos, OS/2, Atari, Amiga and probably others I'm not thinking of. Today we have MS, Apple, Google and 1,000 linux distros and they're all crap @@bobweiram6321

[@xerzy]

I think there's a lot of good in the UNIX philosophy. Particularly around the concepts of everything-is-a-file and pipes, its initial implementation back in the 70s was brilliant. But as things evolved and became more complex (GUIs! Multimedia! Encryption! More chips than one CPU! Non-Von Neumann architectures! Random people contributing software! Commercial apps and online downloads!), it just fell apart quite hard. Others like Plan 9 tried to improve on it but failed, too. I personally don't think Haiku is it. It's a monolithic system with an OOP API that has aged quite a bit. That said, it's obviously better than the mainstream offerings, with stuff like BFS and translators simply being plain genius, *especially* for the 90s. I was long ago inspired by BeOS/Haiku to make my own thing, and I hope others are too.

[@GoogleDoesEvil]

@@xerzy I think ReactOS has potential, despite Windows' flaws these days the NT Kernel itself is very well designed. Windows' big problem is Microsoft keeps bolting on bloat, removing customization options, and the fact that it's closed source in an era where it's difficult to trust big corpos. Progress on ReactOS has picked up a lot since we dropped XP compiler support which drove away a lot of people demanding we stick to being just a Windows XP clone. Now we're adding Windows 7+ program and driver support.

[@xerzy]

@@GoogleDoesEvil Nah, ReactOS is copying Windows verbatim, no room for a fancy OS with things like proper object capabilities or resilience via 100% userspace drivers and services, let alone for a clean codebase with no weird hacks. It's not VAX/VMS anymore, and VAX/VMS has long lost its recognition as state-of-the-art anyway. I do look forward to it, don't get me wrong, but Microsoft itself would have redone NT from scratch if they could prioritize architectural design - their work on kernels like Singularity and Barrelfish proves it.

[@HexZero]

i was JUST about to say "if only the gpu i have had support for Haiku" and you pulled out the exact same one (RX580)

[@ibobeko4309]

😂

[@brocka.6479]

Awesome shout out for Userlandia, seconding that channel, his stuff is great. Also, I think you *finally* convinced me to spin up Haiku on a test machine.

[@Comm0ut]

It would be interesting to boot Haiku on a variety of thin clients. Haiku say you can run programs on other Haiku machines so if a very powerful PC did the heavy lifting (for example a server you would run anyway) that might greatly improve the thin client experience.

[@finkelmana]

I played with BeOS back in the day. Keyword: Play. It was blazingly fast, it will give it that. However, the complete lack of useful software was its demise. Haiku is better than BeOS was in every way. Yet, its still unstable, has limited hardware support, and still lacks software. Developers are porting FOSS software to the platform, so its list of software is growing. However, they are doing straight ports and not rewriting the code and optimizing for Haiku's advantages. The reality is, you are far better off running a lightweight Linux distro than Haiku.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

Sounds about right. I ran it for a week and thought: Huh, this is impressive. Got Emacs compiled / running ... but that was, by far, the only semi-useful thing that I could get it to do ... and having a working editor isn't per-se useful if you can't actually do anything else with the files you edit.

[@negirno]

Yeah. Both BeOS and Haiku are tragic OSes in that sense that the the former was killed by both Microsoft and Apple and latter has a slow development due to Linux stealing all the limelight, and you have to code in C(++) to develop applications to it which many modern coders aren't that familiar of. That's why the clone of a multimedia-capable system are relegated to some geeks using them as webservers and basically porting the whole GNU userland which means you don't really use the advanced BeAPI and modern native applications are rare.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

@@negirno Why can't you write software for it in other languages? I mean, worst case, use FFI or whatever interop layer the language/runtime has to call into the C APIs ...

[@tstephens128]

long time BeOS fan, was my daily driver in the late 90s early 2000s, sad how marketing can spread garabage, and we loose a great OS into antiquity, here's hoping the Haiku OS gains more support and can reach a stable, daily status, so hard to really let go of windows, in my industry anyway, to many propriety applications that are windows only, developed in windows only libraries.

[@rs.matr1x]

Haiku still plugging away at what they're doing is pretty nice. If 32 bit support gets deprecated in Linux, at least there will be Haiku.

[@atomnetton]

Wow is that grub rescue> shirt triggering. I had a little panic when I saw it before convincing myself I hadn't broken anything this time and it's okay.

[@MarkTheMorose]

I'd tried the current Beta on a couple of laptops, but found the web browser performance in YT disappointing. So thanks for showing Falkon, I've just tried it and it's a big improvement. I did have to select 360p quality, but apart from 'shimmering' during horizontal pans, it was perfectly watchable.

[@3rdalbum]

I'm super impressed by your demo of Haiku. I should really check it out - is there Libreoffice? Is there a video editor and audio editor (like Audacity?) A PDF reader? VLC? I honestly think with those things I could use it as my daily driver at home.

[@matt-i4g3o]

Libre office has been available on Haiku since like 2018 and works fine. Audacity has been ported recently, VLC is there too. For PDF you can pick either the native BePDF or a ported KDE app

[@ne0ne0]

I read even Blender runs in Haiku.

[@santino148]

6:17 "Meet gorgeous Latina women". This is the state of yt ads lol.

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

horrific

[@alvarohigino]

Yeah, and Facebook is even worst, they recommended me black magic.

[@Andrath]

There are a few things that keep me from using Haiku as a daily driver: - no vpn (tun/tap), although there has been work done to get that working. - no multimonitor support And those are the biggest sticking points, really.

[@vlc-cosplayer]

> no multimonitor support Would it support an ultrawide monitor? 👀

[@Andrath]

@@vlc-cosplayer I don't see why it shouldn't. You just can't have more than one.

[@hangonsnoop]

BeOS was well respected for a lot of reasons. In particular, its file system was renowned for its speed and reliability.

[@lawrenceshadai4966]

Tested it recently, was really impressed. It is getting to that "usable in a pinch" stage for some.

[@Mojo-jojo-1987]

Jean-Louis Gassey-yay? It's Gass-ay

[@MrScottyTay]

"that is silky smooth" video shows screen tearing

[@pmarreck]

BeOS was an incredibly good technical tour-de-force at the time. I saw the last presentation of it on the last day of the MacWorld Expo where they premiered it and it blew me away in my 20s.

[@Tall_Order]

If WINE exists for Haiku, I wouldn't mind seeing if City of Heroes - Homecoming, will work on it. :)

[@laser31415]

I loved BeOS back in the day. I ran it on a P2 400 for years. It wasn't till I bought a Pentium 4 and it wouldn't boot that I had to go back to MS.

[@MK-of7qw]

all you need to consider it a daily driver... a modern web browser and Java minecraft. beautiful.

[@workinprogress8978]

Title: "You Should Daily Drive Haiku OS" Video: Spends over half the video showing how something so basic as web browsing and streaming video simply does not function to the standard and simplicity an average Windows, Mac, and even Linux user expects. Me: For sure...

[@jimdoria3283]

I had no idea Haiku existed, despite being a BeOS fan since the announcement of the first BeBox. Thanks for the clue!!

[@samshort365]

I may have mentioned elsewhere that BeOs was my main operating system about 24 years ago. I also used it as a media server on a 700MHz Pentium III. Now, I have a PC dedicate to Haiku and it runs very well. Its great for general computing, but lacks the internet finesse that users expect today. Otherwise, I would be using it regularly rather than playing for Otomatic.

[@JimLeonard]

"This was once my gaming PC" is the mantra of a million cursed frankenbuilds. My "once gaming PC" is now my NAS and Plex server running Debian :-D

[@laser31415]

YUP, my OGM of 1997 became a NAS till it was too slow even for that.

[@onigvd77]

actually Infinite Mac is using Web Assembly to do the emulation, a browser specific byte code layer. it’s how modern web apps can be created with far more power than what JS can do and is the foundation for Blazor.

[@mohamad20zx34]

Thanks action retro you get my respect for reviewing haiku os

[@BilisNegra]

That Boxedwine UI thingy sounds just nuts. A Linux VM running on (this modern) BeOs (incarnation) configured specifically to run Windows software in turn.

[@fabiosarts]

10:06 most likely it's using WebAssembly, which is actually compiled code. It's way faster than javascript itself You could compile even c++ code to webassembly and run it in the browser C:

[@kaitlyn__L]

This needs to be more common, JS has gotten ridiculous in terms of the CPU it demands

[@rhone733]

@@kaitlyn__L Incorrect. Web-based programs need to become less common.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@rhone733 anything to get JS dethroned. But at this point web-apps are also outside of the browser (see Electron) so if we can make them use an order of magnitude less power I’ll take it

[@Francois_L_7933]

I remember trying the old OpenBEOS and Zeta when they came out and being so disappointed at their performance as I really wanted to switch for one of those yet they were just unusable. But just compare what they were like back in the days when compared to Windows Millenium and XP.

[@cssplayer91]

I would love for haiku to get modern hardware compatibility and software repositories while still keeping the 90's user interface. Imagine loading up Steam and playing a modern game on this!

[@thiostory]

For casual mobile computing maybe it's good and suitable, but for desktop OS it's a big NO. We need a real desktop OS for working : éditing, wording, numbering, sketching, super multi-tasking for everything, etc. And the best desktop OS is only Windows so far, as far as I knew.

[@skideric]

Got Haiku ready for USB.Gonna try out ASAP. SUBED !

[@tobeypeters]

Yep .... Be was one of my favorite OSs ... next to OS/2 Warp. Had every version. Then again, I had every version of DOS, OS/2, Be, Windows and now I'm linux.

[@arlandi]

Some months ago I tried to use Haiku on a Thinkpad X230. Stop using it because watching youtube videos was a pain the behind slow, but I haven't heard of Falkon. Might just try reinstalling Haiku OS. Thanks!

[@mediocrefunkybeat]

I'm excited to see the Cinema Display in action. I work in IT and use three of them all day, every day. 2 23" models and 1 20". They really are beautiful and I love the image they produce, even if they are ridiculously inefficient compared to modern displays in using CFL backlighting...

[@MyBlogsTV]

it's a shame the power supplies can be a lil bit flakey

[@mediocrefunkybeat]

@@MyBlogsTV I've found it's usually the voltage regulation in them that goes. One I had only worked if I had the screen on half brightness or less but I've replaced it. You can make your own apparently.

[@bigpeopleareold]

I remember in the 90s wanting to see BeOS as the next Mac OS. I never used it at the time, but it had a lot of promise for something tailored to solving the classic Mac issues (those constant crashes!) while being still modern. Apple, however, would have probably transmogrified it into that beastly looking Aqua UI anyway. I am a happy KDE user and also lean on some creature comforts that I don't see yet in Haiku (that could be my fault though) but if there was one day where this could be an option, I would take it. I guess if I am creative enough, I could probably use X to run my applications in it, if I so cared to do so (so, Firefox, my Emacs configured with external programs I constantly use and dark theming this.)

[@codyisrude]

Looks cool i think the best direction for them to go would be flatpaks instead of trying to manually port everything to haiku

[@Jordansklar0698]

From pottervill michigan man just to say i love your channel ❤

[@ninline2000]

Love the video, very interesting stuff. I remember seeing Be OS running on a PPC system back in the day when I was using an Amiga 3000. It was very impressive. I had never seen that browser before so I installed it on my Raspberry Pi 4 and tried youtube out. The page was pretty slow but it worked well, running a 1080p video it dropped about 40 frames in 10 minutes. Not as good as Chromium but the foundation has really optimized Chromium on the Pi.

[@MistahMatzah]

"Special thanks to Sid Hoffman, Sid Frenchman..."

[@rhfweb]

Next try to play with 9Plan or 9Front. ;) The thing that has kept me away from Haiku is the lack of security, for a modern OS not having the ability to have a password login or to lock the machine is a bit lacking.

[@MoonlightEmbrace]

In all fairness, youtube is a google product (nowadays) so no surprise that it would run better on a Chromium backend. Plus, you got no graphics acceleration slowing you down. As for the rest, most people nowadays just test against Chrome and call it a day. When I was doing webdev in 2018ish, I was the only one in my team who bothered to test on Firefox and who flagged bugs which weren't exposed on Chrome. I doubt things have improved ever since.

[@Viking2dk]

It's kinda ridiculous. Google are trying to set their own web standards regarding rendering, and are forcing them onto people by implementing them on their sites (KZbin for example). Try running KZbin through Pale Moon (a browser that follows the committee only, and not Google), it runs like shit, because KZbin is built like shit.

[@tngaskell]

I'm on vacation this weekend, and the computer I brought with me is an old netbook running Haiku. I'm using it to run MuseScore, and it's pretty good except that 1. My netbook is so old (XP era) that web browsing, and to a lesser extent MuseScore, really lags. Still maybe better in Haiku than Windows 7, though. 2. Haiku doesn't know how to suspend the machine.

[@RWBHere]

My favourite old operating system! BeOS was awesome at the time, but just fizzled out. Great to hear that Haiku has not only kept it alive, but is also helping it to thrive. Thanks for this heads-up and demonstration. 🙂👍

[@agtugo9197]

I daily drived successfully BeOS when I was in high school. I was very happy and I enjoyed the experience a lot. I miss those days with BeOS max and more variants. It was insanely fast, it took seconds like less than 5 seconds to boot up with HDD, 633 MHz and 64mb of ram. Watching Futurama with no problems using amule for downloading and watching TV with a pixel view which worked flawlessly on BeOS.

[@DavidHamilton5]

Just finished installing haiku on an old msi wind u100 netbook with 2gb of ram. It’s running great, looking forward to exploring more !

[@bf0189]

I found out about BeOS then Haiku in the mid 00s through being a fan of Neal Stephenson's novels then reading interviews. He mentioned BeOS being the fully capable batmobile of OSes. That instanty intrigued me! Been a fan since then. Haiku for me is an avant garde art piece that won't get you get immediately but it slowly seeps in your brain then it clicks! A a-ha moment. I can't unfortunately run Haiku on my main workstation because music/audio stuff needs Windows or MacOS but its fun to play around with for sure

[@tkenben]

Perhaps you speak of his essay, "In the Beginning was the Command Line". If not, you probably would like it because I believe that's where he does the analogy of different operating systems to vehicles. IIRC, linux was a military tank.

[@bf0189]

@@tkenben yup that's exactly where I heard the phrase from!

[@RinoaL]

You've actually been convincing me to try Haiku for day to day work on a few of my spare computers.

[@AlfiesFuntime]

Oh gosh you're almost at 100K subscribers I subscribed when you were at 40K... which wasn't that long ago lol

[@xianox8]

You piqued my interest in haiku! I installed it on a retro laptop (ibm T42p) and it runs ok, but the pentium m is not optimal because it can't control the speed of the processor. It is perhaps a bit too ancient.

[@ActionRetro]

I just love that it can bring a usable experience to machines like that

[@MishraArtificer]

I've been trying to get PuppyLinux to run on an even older Thinkpad R40 and T41...gotten everything working except GPU drivers. It's trying to CPU-render everything. It's...choppy.

[@neeneko]

Now.. what would be really cool is if they ported this to work on new(er) POWER systems. There is a lot of used earlier stuff floating around.

[@megasmidge2911]

Enjoyed the video. Learn something new everyday. I appreciated the lore. I probably won’t give this a shot but I enjoyed listening to your energy and passion surrounding it. Thanks for letting me experience it without installing. Oh and that install was crazy fast. Dangit now I want to see if it installs that fast

[@2xtreem4u]

3:55 my kind of cable management

[@xcellnt]

I need to try it again. With graphics acceleration Haiku will be lightning fast. Glad the team is working on it.

[@edhorse13]

'...as in tradition' omg that cracked me up

[@waynepriem7722]

I especially Like the "Cable Management" section of this video! A+++++ LOL. Great video -> Love it!

[@emmanuelbreton5431]

Haiku is a great project that needs more developpers and specific Apps, Great video, I 'll give it a try on an old computer.

[@ParsnipCelery]

Word. I've been watching your old videos from like two years ago while playing Star Citizen.

[@Jonteponte71]

I was all over BeOS in the early 90's and was even trying to run it on my first PC. A custom build with a Celeron 300A with a NVidia Riva TnT GPU :) Coming from an Amiga background. BeOS was the only thing around at that time that felt like it had at least some of the Amiga spirit. Ran super quick on my hardware and had a lot of useful and fun features! I happen to have an old Dell Optiplex 755 not being used for anything and this is actually perfect for running on it!

[@AnimalFacts]

Would love to see it going on an Intel MacBook or some other semi modern laptop.

[@macsnafu]

This is good news. Haiku continues to improve.

[@alpheusmadsen8485]

I admire Haiku -- it's different! And we're in desperate need of variety in operating systems. Having said that: I can't use Haiku, mostly because I have certain workflows and habits that work better under KDE, Tmux, and Vim. If anything, though, I've been exploring moving from KDE to Awesome .... Overall, though, there's one thing I do *not* understand: why don't more operating systems view the GUI part a "skin" over the underlying functionality? Windows, Mac OSX, and Haiku (I think) give you only one GUI, and if *they* change it to something you don't like (or, alternatively, if they *never* change it to something you'd like even more), then you're up a creek without a paddle. I *really* appleciate the Linux approach of giving you several possible window managers, and if you *really* want to, you can customize even those to within an inch of their lives.

[@tanner1985]

Technically excellent, what irony that so few people knows it. This is the superior OS everybody would dream of, yet it is practically unknown!

[@ffoninamhcar24]

"Cable Management" nicely done!

[@gooberboy69420]

my pc is so slow it just white screens of death on haiku

[@dsjunges]

This is awesome. I hope Haiku improves even more in next years! I am happy they've reached min. found in 2023 in order to keep the project going on! I've tried to install it in my old MacBook Pro 2009, but I couldn't make work properly (driver issues). But I hope to grab some machine where I can have some fun with Haiku! By now I have it virtualized... :) Great video mate!

[@meetem7374]

The only thing what's missing from Haiku is GPU acceleration and unified video decoding api (system-wide, so we don't end up in a dire situation of linux). This will be a game changer, and this OS could really shine and became a daily driver.

[@maxwelliandemon]

You probably noticed it but in case you haven't, either your table or your camera slightly wobbles every now and then (seems like when you're using the mouse but might be wrong). Great content as always though. I always wanted to try Haiku so might give it a go now.