Warp 1260 Review - EXTREME Amiga 1200 Upgrades

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Dan Wood

Dan Wood

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@benbaselet2026
@benbaselet2026 4 жыл бұрын
I used my A1200 with an 030@50 until 98 or 99. The PSU died and if I had known then what I know now I would never have abandoned the machine for a number of years. Luckily I still have the machine and it got a new PSU, a recap and some sweet CF goodness on the IDE. Still going strong :)
@aw34565
@aw34565 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see Acorn's ARM technology giving old Commodores a new lease of life.
@GeoNeilUK
@GeoNeilUK 4 жыл бұрын
There's a little hope in the back of my head that thinks that if Commodore UK had actually managed to buy Commodore that David Pleasance might have had his eyes on buting up Acorn too (especially if ARM came with the Acorn company) and that maybe just for little longer, we'd have had ARM-powered A5000s and A1800s.
@richardwicks4190
@richardwicks4190 3 жыл бұрын
@@GeoNeilUK Raspberry pi is fine. Really, they do 4K video at 30 fps and 1080p at 60 at less than 10 watts. Do you REALLY want to go back to using workbench? I'll help you setup Raspberry PI OS on a raspberry pi, or in a Virtual Box PC. The virtual box PC will be faster of course, but it will give you a good idea of what the OS is like and you don't have to buy any hardware or software. Amiga was an amazing computer back in the day, it was well ahead of its time, but I wouldn't want to go back to it. Still remember Fred Phish? Was it Fred Fish? Been 30 years.
@jasonking1284
@jasonking1284 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardwicks4190 Achh.. just use an emulator....
@daishi5571
@daishi5571 Жыл бұрын
​@@jasonking1284 Saying "just use an emulator...." is like telling someone who wants to ride a motorcycle "just drive a car...." lol Truth is while I do own a fully kitted A1200 I don't have the space to leave it out, so I do use an emulator more often than not. But it's not the same, just like riding a motorcycle and driving a car. For me personally I find I'm more focused when using my actual Amiga, I spend longer getting a lot more done (I do some gaming, graphics, music and after an almost 30 year hiatus I'm starting to program again). I don't know if you ever owned or used an actual Amiga back in the day, and I know this is subjective but it doesn't feel the same as a Mac or PC, if your emulating you are still having to deal with the underlying OS at some level. Emulation is that thing that lulls you into the experience, then every so often yanks you out of it.
@beezle1976
@beezle1976 7 ай бұрын
@@richardwicks4190 you dont really think people are using AmigaOS because they have no other options do you? Suggestions like "just use linux based OS no.34567645864" are redundant. Also, exactly how familiar are you with AmigaOS (for starters its called AmigaOS, Workbench is a desktop, so Im guessing not much)? Its way more capable that you seem to think. Very little it cant do, raw grunt permitting.
@ComputerBladet
@ComputerBladet 4 жыл бұрын
Commodores biggest enemy was the Commodore management.... so many wasted oppotunities. I switched in 1999.
@keyserxx
@keyserxx 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I owned A500 while at school, finally got A1200 in 1995, upgraded it a load. Enjoyed it. Fidonet! Switched to PC 1998, GTA1! Quake2! There isn't the love for Windows vs the likes of Amiga or Linux. I get tingles when I hear Amiga game soundtracks like Pinball Fantasies haha.
@ridiculous_gaming
@ridiculous_gaming 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly I agree. This so call internal damage to a company similarly, Sega US and Sega Japan lack of working together resulted in bringing down that platform as well.
@ridiculous_gaming
@ridiculous_gaming 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. The biggest flaw in Amiga evolution was the absence of Jay Miner and his team. The AAA chipset had to be an evolutionary leap and affordable to ensure success. Similarly, Atari came out with the Falcon that had potential, but the relatively high price hampered sales among fans.
@valenrn8657
@valenrn8657 4 жыл бұрын
Motorola didn't help Amiga's cause i.e. 50 Mhz 68060 in 1994 while Pentium reached 100 Mhz in 1994. Intel's Pentium was important for the gaming PC platform to compete against mid-90s RISC based game consoles. 1993 = Pentium at 66 Mhz 1994 = Pentium at 100 Mhz 1995 = Pentium at 133 Mhz and Pentium Pro at 200Mhz 1996 = Pentium at 200 Mhz 1997 = Pentium II at 300 Mhz 1998 = Pentium II at 450 Mhz. The infamous Celeron 300A which overclocked to 450 Mhz also appeared. I jumped ship to PC in 1996 for Pentium 150Mhz (overclocked to166 Mhz) and S3 Trio 64 PCI when the Amiga has an expensive 68060 at 50Mhz and expensive Cybergraphics 64 (S3 Trio 64). I traded my Amiga 3000 (030/882 at 25Mhz) for the Pentium based PC. I recently won A1200 (labeled as broken for parts when it's actually working) eBay bid..
@valenrn8657
@valenrn8657 4 жыл бұрын
@BigLBA1 According to Dave Haynie, AGA chipset was ready in Feb 1991. Commodore management has yet another delay.
@einsteinx2
@einsteinx2 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love that the coprocessor is 4+ times faster than the main processor haha. In fact the WiFi chip on there is probably faster than the 68k.
@amiga68k75
@amiga68k75 4 жыл бұрын
Ben Baron Yes, the WiFi chip is an ESP32 which runs at 240MHz on two cores simulteanously :-)
@einsteinx2
@einsteinx2 4 жыл бұрын
@Poff Nada I do know, but the main processor is a 68k which has a super old instruction set while also having a much slower frequency, so the performance difference is probably even larger due to the instruction sets not smaller so the point still stands.
@einsteinx2
@einsteinx2 4 жыл бұрын
​@Poff Nada Yeah...you're completely missing the point of my original comment lol 🤦
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder though if the ARM's IPC is any higher than the 060. It would still outrun the 060 even if its IPC was somewhat lower, but it would still be interesting. Its real power will come from a newer instruction set. The ESP 240 is certainly lower IPC so its doubtful one core on it would out perform the 060 at 105mhz. In fact i bet it would take both cores to do it. They are not very high ipc at all, but are very specialized in their application.
@squirlmy
@squirlmy 4 жыл бұрын
In the previous comment thread, one commenter compares Mhz of Intel for five years in the 90s to the 68k's in Amiga.🙄 No two chips can be compared like that. Media and ads in the 90s hyped up clock rates, to encourage sales, to make some like RNL commenter upgrade and/or buy more expensive PCs. It worked so well, it gave Apple a reason to switch from PowerPC to Intel. The comparison by clock speed doesn't mean much in real world performance. People fell for it though.🙄🤷
@jkdsteve
@jkdsteve 3 жыл бұрын
Good review on the 1200! I used mine until scoring an A4000/030 for 600UKP in the mid-90s! After a brief (10 year) break in the 2010s, I'm back to Amigas It's astounding that accelerators are still going to be produced after all this time, I'm glad and look forward to the day when these are available in more than review quantities...meanwhuile, my god I'm in love with the Vampires!
@VanOnTour
@VanOnTour 4 жыл бұрын
Ouch! on the price though and 060 included. I was one of the first people to have an Apollo 060 cards running at 100mhz with 64mb of ram years ago. The Amiga at that speed was an amazing experience. I can't help thinking an emulated 060 would have been a better choice for this expansion. Watching this makes me want to buy an Amiga again.
@MarquisDeSang
@MarquisDeSang 4 жыл бұрын
I had one in Canada with a Floating point accelerator. I did a lot of 3D animation back then with Real 3D and Imagine 2.0
@Waccoon
@Waccoon 3 жыл бұрын
Yep... in 1994 I opted for a 33 MHz FPU with 4MB fast ram and clock rather than a low-end '030 for my A1200. That was a much better buy, IMO. I still use it today.
@erebostd
@erebostd 4 жыл бұрын
There's a middle ground between real silicone and emulation: simulation. Since my Amiga 1200 died I sill use the case and keyboard, but the brains is now outsourced to a fpga mist. Works like a charm, is faster than the 1200 ever was, is compatible down to the included midi files and joystick ports, has the same low latency due to simulation, and is relatively affordable. And it displays every game trough the vga port, so you can use a nice fast monitor or TFT..
@gdonner
@gdonner 4 жыл бұрын
I like to think of the Warp boards (similar to most new Amiga hardware) as offering the best of both worlds; the '060 for the OS, and the new hardware augmenting the custom chips, rather than completely removing them. They're always still available if needed.
@104d_3rr0r_vince
@104d_3rr0r_vince 4 жыл бұрын
I used my 1200T as the main computer till the end of 2003...
@alritedave
@alritedave 4 жыл бұрын
Our family PC from like 1992-1999 was a ZX Spectrum 128K lmao.
@AmigaWolf
@AmigaWolf 4 жыл бұрын
Same for me, i had a Phase 5 Blizzard PPC 603e Plus with a 68040 CPU and a PPC 240MHz CPU, and a Elbox Mediator PCI 1200 with a Voodoo5, but i was stupid enough to sell my Phase 5 Blizzard PPC 603e Plus, really wish i had never done that :-(
@LLGoozeberrye
@LLGoozeberrye 4 жыл бұрын
My trusty A1200 was my only pc till the end of 2003 also. It isn't very well just now. Can't get it to boot at all😟
@alritedave
@alritedave 4 жыл бұрын
Amiga Wolf A heavily accelerated Amiga 1200 was perfectly decent for the late 90s/early 2000s.
@balorduomo
@balorduomo 4 жыл бұрын
The same! 1992-2003
@nemazoty
@nemazoty 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! This is the best Warp 1260 review so far. When the Scandoubler/FlickerFixer module arrives (to forget the screen change), it will be the ultimate card to extending our beloved Amiga computer. Maybe a mass production will lower the price but hunting down a fully working (not fake) rev.6 060 card is a hard target.
@roberthazelby4424
@roberthazelby4424 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to put this together, Dan. This looks absolutely amazing.
@Ingens_Scherz
@Ingens_Scherz 4 жыл бұрын
In 1993, I did all my third year university coursework on an A1200 that my brother leant me. I can remember typing away, staring at the CUB monitor for hour after hour, surrounded by books and coffee cups in the dining room of my digs. I became an expert at Pinball Dreams and learned about backing up files the hard way when I lost an entire essay - 50 hours' work - when a floppy disk failed to save because it was full and crashed the computer - and I hadn't saved the file to the hard drive! I nearly put the monitor through the kitchen window. I loved that computer very much. Some scumbag stole it from the boot of my brother's Peugeot 205 in London in 1995 taking with it my essays, my thesis and all those memories. Much missed.
@JfLSpawny
@JfLSpawny 4 жыл бұрын
I regret giving my A1200 to a charity shop a few years back, it had an expansion board and HDD etc but had been stored in an attic for 20 years so needed a restoration, I just didnt have the time/money to bring it back to life. Funnily enough i do now and miss it, so many awesome memories. Hopefully it ended up in a good home
@CoolDudeClem
@CoolDudeClem 4 жыл бұрын
That Amiga Workbench desktop looks so much better than boring ol' windows 10
@SproutyPottedPlant
@SproutyPottedPlant 4 жыл бұрын
It’s for running software applications it doesn’t have to be pretty!
@gdonner
@gdonner 4 жыл бұрын
You got that right! Don't get me started on what I think of Windows 10--it ain't pretty; have to use it every day at work. Enough to gag a maggot. Serious privacy issues, a bleached Fisher-Price toy GUI, zero user control over M$ updates that breaks other code and content rammed down your throat to name a few...
@reptilez13
@reptilez13 4 жыл бұрын
I never had an Amiga growing up here in the states, and did love DOS based Windows games as a kid, but am fascinated especially with some of the last Amiga and other micro games. I love the 16 bit and "32 bit" generation of games in the 90s and early to mid 2000s. Amiga def does great there. Hell, I think some of the games I played as a kid were Amiga ports to DOS or console! :)
@matthewjdouglas6471
@matthewjdouglas6471 2 жыл бұрын
I used to go to bed every Xmas and prey and wish for an amiga. I never got one. But loved looking at them in the local electronics shops. They were very very expensive. There is a retro shops by me. Specialising in old school computers and consoles.
@georgeluyckx1437
@georgeluyckx1437 4 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see how it works with popular software like 3d design tools , deluxe paint , Amiga Vision and so on. I also used my Amiga 500 as my main computer till 1999. Then when the pentium 2 came out I found it was time switch and of course was blown away by game titles like Unreal Tournament and Hidden & Dangerous. But I still have my Amiga 500 😀
@alritedave
@alritedave 4 жыл бұрын
I just have an A1200 with 8MB FASTRAM, 68882 FPU, 4GB CF HDD, and a Gotek floppy. This looks interesting.
@NettiGaming
@NettiGaming 3 жыл бұрын
My most beloved machine. I still love a blast on my amiga. We now have incredibly powerful machines. But nothing will ever match the charm of an a1200
@vix_in_japan
@vix_in_japan 4 жыл бұрын
So I reckon this thing is like 100 times faster than my 68000 A600. Which means I can complete my pixel art creations 100 times quicker. Yay :)
@kcolbinyar
@kcolbinyar 4 жыл бұрын
Only if you can find one. Good luck! :-/
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 4 жыл бұрын
Terrible Fire cards are significantly cheaper, and work with the a600, though are not anywhere near as fast. But they would help out tremendously.
@miggy4eva980
@miggy4eva980 4 жыл бұрын
All this based on a platform created in 1985. What PC can do this, to claim such foresight and ability? 35 years old and still stomping modern hardware! Amazing
@dregstore
@dregstore 4 жыл бұрын
Great that you've managed to get your hands on one of these Dan!
@JamesMossR33
@JamesMossR33 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks! After an A500 then an A1200 in the 90s (before jumping ship to PC in '97) I really want to love my Amiga again. I invested so much time and money in it back then and have some great memories. I found a 1994 receipt from Gordon Harwood for my 2MB Viper 030 & FPU and it came to over £700 in today's money... (and that's not including the 8MB stick it has). After digging out the A1200 and recapping it a couple of years ago I pulled it off the shelf this week. Imaged the HDD for safekeeping, bought a CF and spent a few nights making my ideal Workbench in WinUAE. Ordered a scan-doubler too, with the hope of using the machine occasionally with a monitor. However, I have a feeling I'll play a few fave games and a few utilities, copy some floppies for the hell of it, smile to myself then put it away again.
@iantheinventor8151
@iantheinventor8151 Жыл бұрын
Have an 500, 600 & a 1200 & loved using them all, PenPal was my word processor choice. Now you’re tempting me to upgrade one of them 🤔
@variator7466
@variator7466 4 жыл бұрын
I went from a C64 directly to a 486 DX2 66 (in 1993 I believe). That was HUGE. I was always impressed by the Amigas though (compared to the C64)
@AJenbo
@AJenbo 3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha, did not expect to see something I worked on in this video 16:10, thanks for mentioning it :D
@10MARC
@10MARC 4 жыл бұрын
This certainly is a marvelous card. I am really struggling on whether to get it for my A500 or A1200. I would hate to lose my Indivision MKII, and my Blizzard 040 card is quite fast... And the A500 version would really complete my Checkmate 1500 build and make it worthwhile... Decisions, decisions, decisions....
@Rip-Van-Tinkle
@Rip-Van-Tinkle 4 жыл бұрын
This is easily the best video I've seen on the Warp accelerators, great work Dan!
@roninalden6956
@roninalden6956 3 жыл бұрын
I guess Im asking the wrong place but does anyone know of a trick to get back into an instagram account..? I was stupid forgot my password. I love any assistance you can offer me
@arloayaan9893
@arloayaan9893 3 жыл бұрын
@Ronin Alden Instablaster :)
@roninalden6956
@roninalden6956 3 жыл бұрын
@Arlo Ayaan thanks so much for your reply. I found the site through google and im in the hacking process now. Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
@roninalden6956
@roninalden6956 3 жыл бұрын
@Arlo Ayaan It did the trick and I now got access to my account again. Im so happy:D Thank you so much, you saved my account!
@arloayaan9893
@arloayaan9893 3 жыл бұрын
@Ronin Alden You are welcome =)
@coolvideos8864
@coolvideos8864 4 ай бұрын
Dan, you need to create more videos! Met you at Kickstart 2! I can't wait for the videos you are currently working on. All the best mate!
@thromboid
@thromboid 4 жыл бұрын
Epic! I was using the A1200 my brother and I bought in 1992 as my main machine until the late 90s, and I'm keeping it going to this day. We bought an '030 accelerator with FPU but didn't realise how important Fast RAM was for improved CPU performance. Later in the 90s we upgraded to a Blizzard 68060 card + SCSI. I remember the A1200 expansion cards needing an alarming amount of force to install. At 9:22 the board looks a little slanted - maybe that's what allowed the fan to fit!
@RetroRecipes
@RetroRecipes 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Dan! I'm looking forward to the A500 version 👍🕹️
@danwood_uk
@danwood_uk 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude. Keep an eye on MVG’s channel, he has one 😎
@ArthLud
@ArthLud 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Dan! You're back! So good to see you uploading new stuff on the KZbin! Cheers!
@eoinlundy
@eoinlundy 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, nice to see developments for the Amiga. Sadly finding a real 060 processor these days is nigh on impossible.
@Bulletstop75
@Bulletstop75 2 жыл бұрын
Heisener still has a large stock of NOS Freescale 68060s...as of may 2022 min order is 5 units at 750 a piece😳 so 3500 minimum
@eoinlundy
@eoinlundy 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bulletstop75 oh wow 😯. That’s outrageous money for that. Sadly won’t be happening for me anytime soon. Thanks for the info though!
@simonj48
@simonj48 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, I tried running Gloom on my A500+. Ahh those days were sad, I think I still have depression from that. Awesome.
@RetroRecollections
@RetroRecollections 4 жыл бұрын
Always love seeing new bits of kit for the Amiga 👍
@Fularu
@Fularu 4 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting on this card to be available for over a year now. I can still wait a bit but I need it now :p
@Enforcer1984
@Enforcer1984 3 жыл бұрын
This with a new case mechanical keyboard replacement and a scan doubler 😍 drooll.
@wimwiddershins
@wimwiddershins 4 жыл бұрын
Had an accelerated A1200 back in the 90's, upgrading an Amiga is definitely a nostalgic "rabbit hole." ;)
@paulisthebest3uk
@paulisthebest3uk 4 жыл бұрын
looks bloody amazing. Its a shame its a similar story to the commodore 128 where you have to use seperate monitors (for now) but wow ive never seen such impressiveness on just a 1200. Its pretty incredible that companies or people are making such devices for such computers that were discontinued many years ago.
@gdonner
@gdonner 4 жыл бұрын
While you wait for the scandoubler, you can at least use NewMode for older Workbench-launchable apps that lacked RTG screenmode capability.
@a500
@a500 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video Dan. Really nice to see this in action. It does look amazing.
@per-henrikpersson1884
@per-henrikpersson1884 3 жыл бұрын
The name on this beautyfull maschine is the most perfect name for any gear in history. Amiga says it all. Love from the first sight. On my first trip to USA for my job I baught a thick computer paper to some thing to read - many years ago. On the front page was a picture of the coming new revolutionery extremely handsome AMUGA 1000! SO MANY COLORS THAT THE MOST ADVANCED TV COULDNT EVEN SHOW A PUCTURE OF THEM SELF ON THEIR SCREEN IN THE EXACTLY RIGHT RED COLOR WHEN THEY SHOW THE SHAME THEY FELT. And since then my AMIGAS has been my most loved Amigos! And my accellerated Amiga 1200 in a tower with a couple of original screens and an old VGA monitor still works. When I get totally mad on my OC and whant to just kill it I start my ole 1200 and just smile at the welcomin screen. A REAL friend that NEVER lets you down.
@danielson9579
@danielson9579 4 жыл бұрын
Having the arm chip there kinda reminds me off my old ppc setup.
@aandst
@aandst 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping the dream alive! 🙂
@CelentAle
@CelentAle 4 жыл бұрын
Extreme is my homemade tower Amiga1200 060 50mhz, PowerPC300mhz , BVision 3D, Ram 128 Mb and Amiga3. 9 / AmigaOS4. 😄✌️
@Frostie3672
@Frostie3672 4 жыл бұрын
Still got my Blizzard 1260 attached to my A1200, that 060 totally transformed the machine, the performance improvements just blew me away & games such as Allen breed 3d & B17 flying fortress were so much more fun to play.
@DOMAN89
@DOMAN89 3 жыл бұрын
I have Amiga1200 but sadly only 8Mb fast Ram with coprocessor 68882, I have always dreamed about 040/060 processor, so nice to see this video ;) But for me is good enough, because we play with my 3 sons and my wife sometimes on weekends in Dynablaster for 5 players :) This computer give us so much fun, despite his age :) Maybe in far future I will get such card
@RonHelton
@RonHelton 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. I think this build deserves a tower case now. Fantastic.
@005AGIMA
@005AGIMA 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Dan. Still amazes me the new kit being made. Makes me lol when I see an Amiga running a higher resolution than most of my PCs haha. Thanks for taking the time to share. Love your work.
@lancelange9377
@lancelange9377 4 жыл бұрын
I miss mine so much. Biggest mistake I ever made was selling it. I used my 1200 until Intel came out with the Pentium 200. I have been keeping an eye out for another 1200, but people tend to want to trade a 1200 for a Mclaren F1.
@RBSVader
@RBSVader 3 жыл бұрын
I'd say this accel is more interesting than new standalone Vampires, though not as fast, but it keeps all Amiga charm.
@pr1mu
@pr1mu 4 жыл бұрын
It’s better if you show the ‘fiddly bits’ of getting the card installed - becomes useful if we ever install ourselves. Thanks for the video.
@chrisshaw451
@chrisshaw451 4 жыл бұрын
I think at the price it can stay on the shelf, seems it is suffering from Amiga tax :)
@JimmiG84
@JimmiG84 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, if you're looking for a good price/performance ratio, Amiga is not the way to go. The cheapest Raspberry Pi 4 is orders of magnitudes faster and more capable than an Amiga, even with an '060. Keeping these old computers running is more of a fun hobby or for pure nostalgia, it doesn't have to make sense.
@alritedave
@alritedave 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I’m considering a 68030 CPU upgrade. Much cheaper and more compatible.
@amiga68k75
@amiga68k75 4 жыл бұрын
Don‘t forget the hard work behind this product and the very low sales volume. I don‘t think that these guys ever get back what they deserve moneywise.
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 4 жыл бұрын
It also puts it above vampire territory. But to be honest the vampire just doesn't feel authentic, it somehow feels like cheating. Though that really is just my take on it. I know several owners of them who have been really thrilled with them. They really do work wonders. But to me the most authentic accelerators are things like the Terrible Fire cards. And those really are a great price as well. They do one thing and one thing only, and are more what you would have back in the day, and not trying to modernize the amiga too much.
@paulspark7287
@paulspark7287 4 жыл бұрын
I used to love my A1200. I had a Microbotics 68030 50Mhz card. My mate used to torment me about how well his Pentium would run Elite Frontier. It was completely unplayable on the A1200 in my opinion until I got the 68030. Very popular machines in the UK - I always knew someone with an Amiga. Shops sold games and magazines. I emigrated to NZ, brought my A1200 over here and what a depressing wake-up call that was! No Amiga shops/software/magazines.. Nothing but PC's at the dawn of Windows 95. I did find one shop in Hastings, NZ that bought & sold Amiga products. I sold my A1200 and bought an A4000 25MHz 68030 from a friend. Sure, it was slower than the A1200 but having the built-in CDROM and a detached keyboard was such a luxury. I nearly bought one of the first 68060 accelerator and 24bit video cards for my A4000.. but for the price and the lack of software compared to a Windows PC.. I had to join the Windows bandwagon. I used to use my Amiga mainly to write OctaMED modules and watch demos. Unfortunately the machine began to gather dust once I began using Renoise on Windows. Without a doubt, the Amiga will always be remembered as a machine that allowed people to be creative. I will never forget the sinking feeling in my heart when someone told me that Commodore had gone bust - right when I'd bought my first A1200.
@Misel982001
@Misel982001 4 жыл бұрын
The a1200 is an amazing piece of art. It never ceases to amaze me.
@colinroberts9544
@colinroberts9544 4 жыл бұрын
This card is worth every penny! Just try telling my wife 😔
@perihelion7445
@perihelion7445 4 жыл бұрын
You and me both 😒
@OldB0y50
@OldB0y50 4 жыл бұрын
@@perihelion7445 I use the alternate strategy of just not telling the Wife....mileage may vary etc etc
@gdonner
@gdonner 4 жыл бұрын
If you can't afford it, just charge it. ;) After all, it's always easier to ask for forgiveness than it is permission. :)
@drunkensailor112
@drunkensailor112 4 жыл бұрын
Your wife has to pay it?
@tiannaumann
@tiannaumann 4 жыл бұрын
My wife has her hobbies, and I have mine, we've never had an argument over each other's spending habits.
@SuperMoleRetro
@SuperMoleRetro 4 жыл бұрын
I was excited about this card...until I heard the price...Having to buy the expensive processor along with the board makes this way out of reach for most.
@DirkDierickx
@DirkDierickx 4 жыл бұрын
As Dan says, if you want all the things the card provides, it will cost you more and you'll end up with a mess of extra cards in your 1200. This is more then simply a processor. It's a gfx card, a sound card, usb, ide, lots of ram, etc. but yeah, if you just want to play old amiga games with whdload, you don't need more then a simple processor card, even an aca1220 will suffice.
@naftab123
@naftab123 4 жыл бұрын
prob get close to a ps5 for that.
@Sephnroth
@Sephnroth 4 жыл бұрын
the problem with "if you want all the things it provides it costs more" is people interested in this sort of thing are generally already enthusiasts and have half of it already. CF/SD->IDE is like a 20 quid mod these days, we all have that. Most of us have an accelerator of some kind, granted not as powerful usually, but with a clock port ready for a £100 rapid road expansion if we're desperate for USB support. Wifi is a £30 PCMCIA card. What is this £451.60 getting me? I'd LOVE a 060 upgrade but it's not included so thats extra. The hdmi out is nice, but doesnt work with most games/native res apps. I cant use existing scan doubler, need to wait for their own which is more money and I doubt this is going to be cheap. Proper USB support would be nice, atm I just use a jerry for usb optical mouse but if i wanted a proper stack I could add rapid road for about £100 (120 euros). The arm co-processor as a mp3 decoder is a cool thing I guess.. but a vampire card for the same price would give me enough power to do that native too + come with everything. I dunno, im not gonna crap all over it and i bet its expensive to make - its a very enthusiast product I get that but unless I was literally starting with a vanilla raw amiga I'd find it very hard to justify this and even if i had NONE of it already its right on the border line of cost to my mind.
@amiga68k75
@amiga68k75 4 жыл бұрын
Amiga is an expensive hobby nowadays; no question about that. Prices for the Amiga units themselves sky-rocketed the past few years. I remember having bought a fully equipped A4000D (with Cybervision 64/3D, Cyberstorm MK2, Ariadne) for around 550 USD back in 2005 :-) By the way, Warp1260 is great!!! A clean solution to warp an A1200 from 1993 to 2020 :-D
@Mmmm_tea
@Mmmm_tea 4 жыл бұрын
@@amiga68k75 Amiga was an expensive hobby back in the day too!! am also guessing that cpu dosn't just "plug in" to the board either? i would recommend anyone with that much money laying around just get a ryzen laptop instead, should be able todo anything this expansion card can do then some.
@anakondase
@anakondase 4 жыл бұрын
Thankfully I already have a 060 in my 4000. The only reason I see to upgrade to the eventual 4000 version of this is the USB, that's something I miss having on my 4000.
@AnGhaeilge
@AnGhaeilge 4 жыл бұрын
Since you have an MMU - Perhaps do a video on Amiga UNIX sometime on this machine?
@RockTo11
@RockTo11 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see how Genetic Species runs on that. I think I'll be purchasing one of these cards. Looks so good.
@balorduomo
@balorduomo 4 жыл бұрын
It already runs great on a 030@50mhz
@TheSpectreN8
@TheSpectreN8 3 жыл бұрын
The Amiga500 was my amiga and the one I'm still nostalgic for
@paulshaw7665
@paulshaw7665 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, would love to hear about the A500 version!
@PhilipoT87
@PhilipoT87 4 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/gInQlIB-nsaph7s
@gsimatty
@gsimatty 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid, that starstruck demo looked insane
@GreatOne0815
@GreatOne0815 4 жыл бұрын
I had an A500 from Christmas 90 to around 93 or 94 and then I got an A1200 which I used until Christmas 1996. And as much as I liked the Amiga, it was just over - and the PC so much better. Especially Windows 95 was a quantum leap compared to 3.1 and the Workbench and everything else. Ok, it was still DOS based, but the usability was just better and much easier to use. I think one problem of the Amiga was it's biggest advantage in the beginning: the custom chips for everything. If they had switched to X86 in the 90s, maybe they would have become the new Apple. I think the PowerPC route was just a dead end and it would have been easier to make a new Amiga if you just use standard hardware. I mean, it was great theat the Workbench booted from hard disc in 3 seconds but the performance in games was not there anymore with the 3D trend. I had Breathless and even with a 68030 turbo card, it didn't run very well. Or it looked abysmal like FEARS.
@Sozzled39
@Sozzled39 4 жыл бұрын
Great expansion, and great video Dan! However given the price and the fact we have to source our own CPU, would the Vampire 1200 not be a better bet? That's a 68080, and it's over 100 Euro cheaper when taking into account the 68060 chip cost too.
@KasperSOlesen
@KasperSOlesen 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah... I kind hope they might make a 040 or 030 version of this. They cannot even find CPUs themselves and consider it too high a risk for them to try to get more, and they know about how to get them. The problem seems to be that a lot of the ones you can find online are fake. So it seems great, but the fact that it requires an 060 CPU seems to make it pretty much useless for most Amiga users.
@ClassicTrialsChannel
@ClassicTrialsChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Still have my A1200 with its blizzard a1220 4mb(just bought the 4mb upgrade for it). Back in the day I also had a 420mb 3.5in hdd inside. Now I've fitted a 8gb cf card.
@skilgannon1971
@skilgannon1971 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Dan, great vid. I've got the Vampire 1200 and it seems so much more finicky compared to the Warp - plus the Warp "feels" like an accelerator instead of a replacement for the chipset because of the real 060.
@danwood_uk
@danwood_uk 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, glad you’re enjoying the vids and thanks for the support. I owe you a beer when we can get to events again.
@Vanessaira-Retro
@Vanessaira-Retro 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Dan!
@ingenfestbrems
@ingenfestbrems 4 жыл бұрын
0:30 could be me in the 80-90s only I was stuck with a c64c sort of lookalike 🙂
@AFourEyedGeek
@AFourEyedGeek 4 жыл бұрын
You bought yours a few months before bankruptcy, I walked into the Amiga / Commodore store and the assistant told us they were going bankrupt soon, so a little later we went with a Packard Bell Windows 95 PC. Even though that Packard Bell was a piece of crap, I'm glad we went with that, especially after a friend's dad donated a 32mb RAM upgrade for me (head of an IT dept.). Those early classic PC games for me were Strike Commander, Wing Commander, Syndicate, Descent, Civ 2, C&C, Red Alert, Daggerfall, Tomb Raider, and Dungeon Keeper. Compared to the Amiga games, I think I lucked out. Though my PC had to be replaced a mere 3 years later in late 1997.
@danielgadze3920
@danielgadze3920 4 жыл бұрын
Wow 😮 AmAZinG 😉 review Dan. Incredible card! Can’t wait to get my hands on one for all my systems. Amiga 500/1200 and one to go in my 3000 (hoping it will fit in the desktop version). My Amiga 4000 is towerised and already has a cyberstorm 060/ppc overclocked so I’ll leave it there .... exciting times ahead for the Amiga Community in the world. Especially 2020 is the year:) bring it on I say!
@boblowes
@boblowes 4 жыл бұрын
That card looks amazing. I might be tempted to swap out my old Apollo 040 for one (I used to play Doom, Gloom Deluxe, Breathless and Alien Breed II quite happily on mine). The only other thing I want to know is, WHAT IS THAT AMAZING DESK CLOCK?!
@NicoDsSBCs
@NicoDsSBCs 4 жыл бұрын
I'll stick to my ARM SBC's. But I do think this is awesome. Don't need practicality to be cool!
@kcolbinyar
@kcolbinyar 4 жыл бұрын
So which one are you using? Are you emulating a Miggy with it then? I've an a600 but like the idea of fpga or something like a MiST or RPi, but am so spoilt for choice I have no idea what to do next :-/
@NicoDsSBCs
@NicoDsSBCs 4 жыл бұрын
@@kcolbinyar I've got tons of them. The RK3399 of the NanoPi m4v2 is still my favorite. All round the best. Good for desktop use, gaming, media playback... The Odroid N2+ is my favorite when I need to render, blazing fast cpu while very little power consumption(7W maxed out) Now running the RockPiX. Not ARM but x86. Very low powered but still very capable. Certainly for old windows games its great. I'm setting it up for a next lan party. The others come with pcs that consume +300W. I'll arrive and take it out of my pocket. Less than 10W. Can play all the old games that we always play. Greetings
@kcolbinyar
@kcolbinyar 4 жыл бұрын
@@NicoDsSBCs Cool. I'll take a look at them. Just browsing and researching is part of the enjoyment. There's some great modern games atm (but the monetisation models seem somewhat pernicious in many of them), but something special about the 90's games, and not just in a nostalgic way.
@Rudei1998
@Rudei1998 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review.
@jrherita
@jrherita 4 жыл бұрын
I always wondered when these accelerators would add ARM Processors as well..
@digitalarchaeologist5102
@digitalarchaeologist5102 2 жыл бұрын
Hilarious - elongated A600. That is exactly what I thought when I saw one for the first time.
@philipcorner574
@philipcorner574 4 жыл бұрын
My goodness, you used footage from the Amiga Format guide to A1200 Hdds! I had that tape!
@danwood_uk
@danwood_uk 4 жыл бұрын
The whole thing is on KZbin. Link in description
@ridiculous_gaming
@ridiculous_gaming 4 жыл бұрын
Dan I like that attitude. I also play Amiga for Amiga games and not to attempt PC titles.
@onkelebert787
@onkelebert787 5 ай бұрын
A very fast FPGA card in the computer, a lot of memory is also available and then the A1200 is operated on a 13" CRT. The Internet is sometimes a haven of joy.
@tradinglive
@tradinglive 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent work and video !
@mrt.7146
@mrt.7146 4 жыл бұрын
A new Dan Wood video = obligatory!
@krecikowi
@krecikowi 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Now we need hardware emulation of PPC that fits under A1200 and finally can run AmigaOS4.1 Classic as it should :)
@GearSeekers
@GearSeekers 4 жыл бұрын
I need this!
@GadgetUK164
@GadgetUK164 4 жыл бұрын
Looks fantastic, and provides so much! A bit expensive though! =/
@PJBonoVox
@PJBonoVox 4 жыл бұрын
@Andy Matalar No, but you could argue it's expensive when compared to current hardware. It's going to be very niche at that price. More so than usual.
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 3 жыл бұрын
As enticing at it is, I think that I'll just hang on to my Blizzard 1260.
4 жыл бұрын
Very nice hardware. I have not used my A1200 for a long time. I only use an emulator.
@gdonner
@gdonner 4 жыл бұрын
lol nvm; 1.008 already updated. :) Very nice review video--thank you! My A4000 and A3000 are eagerly waiting for the Warp 4060 to make its debut. :)
@JarlSX
@JarlSX 4 жыл бұрын
when i was fitting my Indivision AGA, i also ran into the problem with the harddisk cradle. best solution i found, was replacing it with a pata ssd, a 32Gb Zheino Industrial vertical one, connects straight to the ide connector of the Amiga and takes up almost no space. heaps faster and uses less power
@bobfromsoireegames4309
@bobfromsoireegames4309 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Dan. Great computer!
@amigan34
@amigan34 2 жыл бұрын
What an accelerator? By looking at this upgraded A1200 I wish I had it instead of A4000 because the big box Amigas are not cheap to upgrade.
@falkorock
@falkorock 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Review, Great Upgrade! FR
@JohnnyReb1976
@JohnnyReb1976 4 жыл бұрын
It'd be really good to see more and more CPU tasks offloaded to the ARM, until one day an ARM only accelerator would be possible (with the OS still running on the native MC68ec020).
@wlewisiii
@wlewisiii 4 жыл бұрын
Stumbled on this, made me sadly remember my A500.
@jpsaf
@jpsaf 4 жыл бұрын
Even if I am a little late...but amazing retro video, amazing card... I wrote them, would like to oder. Hopefully getting one. Thank You!
@jpsaf
@jpsaf 4 жыл бұрын
I wrote them over their form , directly email for order but no respond. This makes it a little sad...
@madfinntech
@madfinntech 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to have one for my A500! Too rich for my blood though.
@undirheimar
@undirheimar 4 жыл бұрын
Availability when and where can I buy one?
@tekk9995
@tekk9995 4 жыл бұрын
I heard something like september 2020
@wohlhabendermanager
@wohlhabendermanager 4 жыл бұрын
Same. I was like SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY from the get go.
@daishi5571
@daishi5571 Жыл бұрын
3 years later I ride a Unicorn over the rainbow bridge more often than this card is available. I'm happy I own a TF1260 but this card would obviously be a big upgrade.
@EpicureMammon
@EpicureMammon 4 жыл бұрын
Ohhh there's a Warp 4060 in the works, too. I guess I'll just keep hold of my 3000 and 4000 a little longer :)
@miloradkaravidin8818
@miloradkaravidin8818 4 жыл бұрын
Amiga 1200 brings up memories 😢
@danielson9579
@danielson9579 4 жыл бұрын
With it having an arm chip ot kinda reminds me of my old ppc card 🙂
@whelmy
@whelmy 4 жыл бұрын
accelerator cards have always been interesting but they seem to be at a point the amgia is basically a backplane/pass-through and your just running a SBC over it. much like taking a 486 computer getting a pentium PCI SBC (single board computer) to run over it's PCI bus, is it still really a 486 system? no it's just a hodgepodge setup to provide power to the SBC and some ports/connections.
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