Is Azerbaijan About to Invade Armenia?

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In the last few days, Azerbaijan has deployed thousands of troops to the Armenian border amidst their ongoing siege of Nagorno-Karabakh. So in this video, we break down the history of the region and why Azerbaijan may regain control of the territory soon.
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00:00 Introduction
01:03 A Bit of History
02:55 Recent Tensions
05:09 Is Azerbaijan About to Invade?
07:38 Brilliant

[@FCGroningen1987]

Some additions: - Iran is concerned about Azerbaijan getting bigger considering there's a significant minority of Azeri's living in Iran that could eventually demand to be unified with Azerbaijan like Azerbaijan now claims Qarabag. - Armenia has received/bought weapons from other powers as well like India, France and Greece. It's not clear how much support they would be willing to offer as they all have their own interests in the region. - Azerbaijan could potentially count on the help of Israel as well considering their alliance with Azerbaijan and their interests in keeping Iran down. edit: ohh before I forget - Azerbaijan is a major trade link between China and Europe as further north through Russia and south through Iran is not possible due to sanctions. Azerbaijan is an alternative gas and oil provider for Europe. Azerbaijan and the Caspian Sea are also a vital trade link between Russia and Iran/India. A conflict could severely complicate that or make it impossible. - Ukraine might profit indirectly as Iran would no longer be able to provide Russia with (as much) support as it is currently doing.

[@youknowme1475]

@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500no they supported Azerbaijan

[@A.A1891]

​​@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 Armenia support Palestine Turkey and Azerbaijan support Israel.

[@FCGroningen1987]

@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 As far as I know Israel had normal relations with Armenia up until the point Israel backed Azerbaijan in 2020. Israel and Azerbaijan always had good ties and Azerbaijan has bought and used Israeli weapons against Armenia. There's been rumors that Azerbaijan gave Israel permission to use their airfields in case they felt the need to bomb Iran at some point.

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

@@FCGroningen1987 ah, i see ty for explaining

[@navetal]

​@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500also of note is that Azerbaijan is (or at least used to be) Israel's largest oil supplier, which gave Israel an economic incentive to side with the Azeris, though with the Israeli discovery and development of their gas fields in recent years this reliance might have faded a little.

[@polyglot8]

You forgot one important thing. One of the main reasons Armenia won the war in the 90's was thanks to the money (and also volunteers) sent back by the very rich Armenian diaspora around the world. But by now, Azerbaijan's oil wealth is greater than that which could be spared by wealthy Armenians abroad; plus the current generation is one more generation removed from their roots in Armenia, so they would probably help less than last time.

[@BehsUnited]

you are wrong the Armenian diaspora will be 500k strong with unlimited funds ready to rain hell on aliyev and anyone supporting him

[@Resmitarihteyazmaz]

As a Balkan Turk in the situation of war I will help Azerbaijan. Also Turkey and Azerbaijan are both Turks. Like Turkestan Turks. One Nation Seven state.

[@BehsUnited]

@@Resmitarihteyazmaz Allah and his 40 gay men will be waiting for you 😂

[@batu2345]

also most terrifying things happened in 90's to azerbaijani people living in the region such as Hojali Massacre done by armenian army, but they covered up really well during that time thanks to wealthy armenian diaspora as you mentioned

[@BehsUnited]

@@batu2345 what kind of mental jiu jitsu are you azeris doing in your head? You don't think the aliyev family is lying to you so your attention is on a made up enemy so you don't see the true crimes of your government who steals from its own people?

[@uao2752]

This is the craziest conflict i have ever seen....Now US, France, India and Iran together are supporting Armenia...Israel ,Turkey and Pakistan supporting Azerbaijan...

[@hakant.7242]

it's not effective if you don't have borders with country that you invading or supporting. in afghanistan America lost because afghanistan have borders with china and Russia.

[@samirsamir9827]

Yes. All countries which supports terrorism they are with Armenia like France , India and etc. Not only İsrail and Türkiye. England too

[@SYldz67]

West always supports what is against Turkey's interests. No matter who is right

[@mosostep2478]

​@@hakant.7242You are "slightly" wrong, Russia has no borders with Afghanistan (they are only 3370 kilometers apart). And the lack of borders did not prevent them from defending South Korea from the communists.

[@TDaybreaker]

​@@hakant.7242what ? America lost bcs of afghanistan guerrila tatics and mountanious region

[@kgat2745]

So Armenia basically invaded Azerbaijan decades ago, then now they're playing the victim when Azerbaijan is reclaiming their territory?

[@skp8748]

Exactly. Even worse when Azerbaijan was weak they offered to allow the region to be integrated into Armenia provided they controlled the corridor to their land. Armenia refused and flexed its military muscle... saying Azerbaijan couldn't give what it didn't control and the corridor to the Azeri exclave was not on the table. Periodically Armenia would close it and there would be clashes which is why the Turks leaned on the Russians who agreed to patrol it in order to grant safe passage of civilians and goods.

[@AramBasmadjian-wz1wj]

Hi. First of all if UN recognizes a land to another country,it doesnt mean it is part of the country. Because if it were to be a part of azerbaijan,the population would be filled by azeris and not Armenians. So when the land was given to azerbaijan, Armenians got furious and retaliated and got the land back by force.

[@orktv4673]

The note about how Amernia has been trying to pivot to the West is interesting. Too little too late, indeed.

[@filipe5722]

Unfortunately, the West didn't really care about Armenia that much, so they had no choice than to rely on Russia and, to a minor degree, Iran. In fact, geopolitically that would be the natural axis for Armenia to be in, if the population where not pro-democracy.

[@guillaumeroussel8633]

@@filipe5722 The problem with Armenia is that Turkey supports its rival, Azerbaidjan, and has complicated relations. Because of this, it's hard for Western countries to give a real military support to Armenia as maintaining Turkey in NATO is more valuable than having Armenia. As a French citizen, I wish Armenia was supported, but I would understand if the support doesn't go very far. Turkey is too important to take the risk of souring relations just to help a 3 millions inhabitants country.

[@Charlie0l9]

@@filipe5722 This guy clearly got his facts mixed up. Armenia started leaning towards the West AFTER CSTO outright ignored their obligation to help its member nations in times of conflict. Just like the Warsaw Pact that preceded it, CSTO seemed better suited to putting down civilian protesters than armed soldiers it seems.

[@filipe5722]

@@guillaumeroussel8633 Yup, that's exactly it. Armenia sits in the crossroads between two opposing axes: Turkey-Azerbaijan and Russia-(Georgia)-Iran. The first one is hostile towards Armenia, so they had no other choice than to rely on the second one. The only hope now is that Russian influence over the Black Sea retreats with a Ukrainian victory and the EU/NATO take more interest in the Caucasus, allowing Armenia to seek a guarantor. Still, that will likely need Georgia cooperation, so it's still a big gamble for Armenia.

[@HKim0072]

@@filipe5722 There are a lot of Armenians in the US. But, Armenia sided with Russia-Iran. Not great geopolitics for western countries. Azerbaijan is allies with Turkey and to a degree with the West. But also, getting close to Russia. US is officially neutral.

[@castielkahnwald5314]

I am proud to say that due to all these TLDR videos on this conflict, I now know which country is Armenia and which Azerbaijan. Use to get them mixed up constantly

[@Rikimkigsck]

Don't you love how Armenia invaded Azerbeijan 30 years ago and now Azerbeijan is more powerful they are taking their territories back. Hopefully something similar will happen in Ukraine

[@casbot71]

I'm hoping to eventually be able to spell them correctly without spellcheck.

[@airinmaz729]

​@@Rikimkigsckactually Armenia didn't start the war in the 1990s or 2020. Both were started by Azerbaijan. There is something to say that Artsakh declaring their independence from the USSR and Soviet Azerbaijan was the catalyst, it was done legally and without force.

[@VinnieG-]

@@Rikimkigsck clearly most people support armenia

[@salamov963]

​​​@@airinmaz729cap, russia even came and invade baku in 1990s because they supported armenia and thousands of azerbaijanis were moved away from their homes in Karabakh 100s of them froze to death couldnt even reach Baku we call it Khojaly genocide there are images on the internet

[@hasmigmardiros3488]

The historical background before 1990 War is crucial to understanding. One can’t just jump in at the 1990’s War.

[@enisektem]

It is nice to hear the story from Armenian side. Let’s see if we would hear any parts of truth on the Azerbaijani side of the story.

[@AYTVOR]

TLDR News has accidentally forgotten to tell : Armenia has occupied 20% of Azerbaijan and caused 1 million Azeri refugees

[@teomanduman2731]

What do you expect from Western people? Are they going to be equal and fair to easterns and Muslims instead of the victims of genocide and completely innocent Armenians who did nothing wrong in Azerbaijan and (historically) Turkey? Nah.

[@CurrentlyOffliner]

Hypocrisy of west knows no limit , he keeps using word "invasion" while Azerbaijan literally trying to get back UN RECOGNIZED lands of herself. Since when defending yourself is invasion ? then why west doesn't call Ukraine trying to get back its UN RECOGNIZED lands as invasion. They also trying to portray Azerbaijan as evil and associate them with Russia , Russia uses Z invades poor neighbour well look Azerbaijan does the same uses A invades poor neighbour. Western propoganda is cunning and sneaky thats why most of the peoples buys it. For example when you ask a Russian " what do you think about your TV doing propoganda" he might still support it but he recognizes that it's a propoganda but when you ask to the EU or US their peoples they are like " what propoganda ?" lol thats exactly it :) .

[@seradar5000]

@@AYTVOR No, in Armenia 15.000 Azerbaijanis lived and in Baku and Sumgayit, 800.000 Armenians lived, but Azeris killed them, All know the Genocide of Sumgayit.

[@kerdart351]

​@@AYTVOR True, all should be told, Armenia occupied more than Karabagh and caused massive amount of azeri refugees. Also, Azeris refused to give independance to Karabagh despite the fact that the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia in 1988. Also, Azeris started to make pogroms (massacres) against armenians as soon as 1989 (then massacres against Azeris followed during the subsequent war...). it's quite different, Armenia and inhabitant of Karabagh never recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as an Azeri land (since 1990 and pogroms against armenians btw, same period where azerbaidjan got its independance), and indeed it never was (it's populated by a majority of armenians for thousands of years). The ones destroying armenian heritage and ancient buildings are turks and azeris, not the opposite, especially in Nakhchivan, but there is no armenian remaining in Nakhchivan. On February 20, 1988, the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia. The demand to unify with Armenia, which began anew in 1988, began in a relatively peaceful manner. Azerbaidjan didn't even exist in 1988 lmao the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia

[@miguellopes7627]

I'm honestly surprised this conflicted hasn't escalated more

[@xijinpig7978]

thanks to peace keeper Putin We love putin and we love xi

[@ishmamahmed9306]

​@@xijinpig7978, Winnie the Pooh is a cool character indeed

[@dorianodet8064]

Azerbaijan has the upper hand by far but don't want to stir too much trouble to avoid coming under sanction of any kind cause they rely massively on trading with the West. They'll probably try to slowly but surely get the minimum their want (the enclave and a passage on the south of Armenia) and stop at that.

[@MC-yt1uv]

Azerbaijan has likely been carefully weighing its options. Wars can take a while so even if Russia couldn't intervene right now, the situation could change in the future. Azerbaijan probably wanted to make sure that Russia was going to be tied up in Ukraine for a while. Especially since Russia would probably like to intervene in an Azeri-Armenian conflict. Russia's reputation as a major world power has taken a hit since the botched and now stagnant invasion of Ukraine. Being able to protect Armenia would allow Russia to regain a small amount of its credit as a military power.

[@davidty2006]

CSTO is fucking useless thats why.

[@writerinrwanda]

I worked in Armenia for a short time. There's a brandy factory in Yerevan called Ararat, where Stalin and Churchill used to order brandy. They have a huge barrel there called the Peace Barrel, signed by politicians from both sides. It was made in 2001 and will only be opened when a peaceful settlement is agreed over Nagorno-Karabakh.

[@tywinlannister]

As long as they call that mountain Ararat, there will be no peace lol. They literally say that the mountain in Turkey is theirs.

[@AraVochavatkyan]

@@tywinlannister it literally is Armenian. Before Turkic people migrated to Anatolia, Armenians were the sole guardians of Ararat for thousands of years. Colonizers don't get to rewrite history just because they removed indigenous people from their homes and lands.

[@AquaticIdealist]

Guess that's the point. The barrel won't be opened willingly anytime soon...

[@bobmake8655]

There’s no such thing as “indigenous people” lmao. Humans have been fighting each other over land for THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!!!!!! People have been moving around for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Ararat has been Turkish for 1000 years since the SELJUKS. We won it by WAR. That’s how it was back then and now. Stop telling yourself lies. Do you think there were people before “Armenians” in that lands? Yes their probably were just as their were in EVERY OTHER PIECE OF LAND GENIUS. Like wow have you never read a history book? Or a Geographic book? Or a scientific book? Any book? Wow cannot believe delusion here.

[@genovayork2468]

@@AraVochavatkyan Should we give all the Americas to the natives? Braindead. No, not "sole guardians" lol, wherever that propaganda is from.

[@intreoo]

It's also worth noting that Azerbaijan is an increasingly important country to the EU since Azerbaijan has started supplying gas to the EU, replacing some of the gas cut-off from Russia. If Azerbaijan did invade Armenia, any European response would have to consider the Azerbaijani reaction too.

[@williamdavis9562]

@Intreoo, The amount of gas Azerbaijan sends the EU is quite small. It accounts for a very small percentage of what Europe imports. It isn't nearly enough of a figure to have any effect on EU foreign policy. The reason EU won't respond isn't the gas, they won't respond because they can't respond? Aside from a condemnation what exactly can they do? They don't have the military capability to get there let alone do something about it. I don't think the Azeris give a rat's arse what Europe thinks. I don't think the Armenians are stupid enough to believe Europe will change the outcome of anything for them.

[@BeautySavesWorld]

Really, so you guys are totally fine to warm your houses with our Armenian blood?? Armenia is the first Christian country, Indo-European nation, natives of Armenian Highland. Modern Turkey is used to be Kingdom of Armenia and Greece in antient times. Nowdays Armenia is a small, democratic country with European values. Azerbaijan is a Muslim country and they are ethnic Turks whose ancestors invaded Armenian Highland, Anatolia and Caucasus in 11 century. Azerbaijan is one of the wors dictatorships in the world where vice president is president's wife and Aliyev inherited the "trone" from his father and rules the country over 25 years. Exactly a year ago Azerbaijan invaded Republic of Armenia, after two years of occupying Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh). Azerbaijan claims all of Armenia is "historic Azerbaijan" and has already invaded Republic of Armenia after occupying Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh). "On September 14 2022, a gruesome video began circulating on social media. The video showed a naked woman - Anush Apetyan, a mother of three - whose legs and fingers had been chopped off and her eyes gouged out. One of her fingers was stuck in her mouth and a stone was placed in one of her empty eye sockets. The perpetrators of this egregious crime against humanity laughed and pointed the camera at her exposed genitalia. They also made sure to show dozens of other corpses, joyfully trampling over them, laughing and cheering each other on as they went. This video was not posted by ISIS. It was not posted by al-Qaeda, Hezbollah or the Taliban - all internationally recognized terrorist organizations. Instead, it was filmed and publicized by the official representatives of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. It was initially posted on an Azeri-run Telegram page called “Khacherubka,” which translates from Russian, in which “khach” is a racist slur used to refer to Armenians, to “Armenian chopping board.” It quickly spread through Azerbaijani social media, gathering mass applause from tens of thousands of Azeris." Khach means Cross in Armenian. During the invasion by Azerbaijan of the Armenian lands between September 13 and 14, an Armenian soldier named Anush Apetyan was captured alive by Azerbaijani forces alongside more than 10 Armenian soldiers captured alive, upon the Armenian Ministry of Defense.[3] www.jpost.com/opinion/article-719504 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Anush_Apetyan

[@hasmigmardiros3488]

They are selling Russian Oil! And are Genocidal (past and present). Shameful where the priorities lie.

[@julius43461]

@@BeautySavesWorld You do realize that no one cares about that right? Ukraine is not getting support because someone cares about people, but because the American elite has a lot to lose if the Ukraine were to fall.

[@feridkerimli9544]

@@BeautySavesWorld I don't know where you got this information; perhaps from Armenian schoolbooks where they teach you about history. From this information, one might infer that Armenia is older than Greece. That's an interesting perspective. Let me provide some enlightenment on the Nagorno-Karabakh (Artsakh) issue. If Nagorno Karabakh has been a disputable area, why did this happen: 'The Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh were areas of Azerbaijan, situated outside the former Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast (NKAO), which were occupied by the ethnic Armenian military forces of the breakaway Republic of Artsakh (or the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic) with military support from Armenia, from the end of the First Nagorno-Karabakh War (1988-1994) to 2020'? I agree; I have seen this photo. But I actively follow Armenian Telegram channels where I have seen the same things, more brutal or less. It doesn't matter; it happens in every war. So at least our soldiers killed someone who was armed. But in the first Nagorno-Karabakh War, you killed children, pregnant women, old people. Did you forget about The Khojaly massacre. (The Khojaly massacre was the mass killing of Azerbaijani civilians by Armenian forces and the 366th CIS regiment in the town of Khojaly on 26 February 1992. The event became the largest single massacre throughout the entire Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Khojaly was an Azerbaijani-populated town of some 6,300 people in the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast of Azerbaijan SSR, also housing the region's only airport in 1992. The town was subject to daily shelling and total blockade by Armenian forces during the First Nagorno-Karabakh War. Without a supply of electricity, gas, or water, it was defended by the local forces consisting of about 160 lightly armed men. The Armenian forces, along with some troops of the 366th CIS regiment, launched an offensive in early 1992, forcing almost the entire Azerbaijani population of the enclave to flee and committing 'unconscionable acts of violence against civilians' as they fled.) It's important to note that Karabakh is recognized by all countries as a part of Azerbaijan, not Armenia and no one recognized latest president elections in 'Artsakh'. Here is the references. All things that I have mentioned is true facts and I only use trustable sources not local history books. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian-occupied_territories_surrounding_Nagorno-Karabakh en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_massacre

[@muhammadkhan3992]

This is misleading. when Armenia first took the region. they didn't stop at the parts that were predominantly Armenian, they also took all the surrounding Azeri parts and they forced out Azeris from the area. Roughly 700 thousand Azeri's were kicked out of their homes if I recall. Taking the territory back was also about returning people to their homes.

[@msl2299]

Situation is looking pretty grim, I hope things get resolved without much of bloodshed, but honestly this is not looking good.

[@glenchapman3899]

yeah just what we need, another war to create more instability

[@sandrei2992]

They will invade for sure and armenia stands no chance, unfortunately… it’ll be a bloodbath

[@BeautySavesWorld]

Armenia is the first Christian country, Indo-European nation, natives of Armenian Highland. Modern Turkey is used to be Kingdom of Armenia and Greece in antient times. Nowdays Armenia is a small, democratic country with European values. Azerbaijan is a Muslim country and they are ethnic Turks whose ancestors invaded Armenian Highland, Anatolia and Caucasus in 11 century. Azerbaijan is one of the wors dictatorships in the world where vice president is president's wife and Aliyev inherited the "trone" from his father and rules the country over 25 years. Exactly a year ago Azerbaijan invaded Republic of Armenia, after two years of occupying Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh). Azerbaijan claims all of Armenia is "historic Azerbaijan" and has already invaded Republic of Armenia after occupying Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh). "On September 14 2022, a gruesome video began circulating on social media. The video showed a naked woman - Anush Apetyan, a mother of three - whose legs and fingers had been chopped off and her eyes gouged out. One of her fingers was stuck in her mouth and a stone was placed in one of her empty eye sockets. The perpetrators of this egregious crime against humanity laughed and pointed the camera at her exposed genitalia. They also made sure to show dozens of other corpses, joyfully trampling over them, laughing and cheering each other on as they went. This video was not posted by ISIS. It was not posted by al-Qaeda, Hezbollah or the Taliban - all internationally recognized terrorist organizations. Instead, it was filmed and publicized by the official representatives of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. It was initially posted on an Azeri-run Telegram page called “Khacherubka,” which translates from Russian, in which “khach” is a racist slur used to refer to Armenians, to “Armenian chopping board.” It quickly spread through Azerbaijani social media, gathering mass applause from tens of thousands of Azeris." Khach means Cross in Armenian. During the invasion by Azerbaijan of the Armenian lands between September 13 and 14, an Armenian soldier named Anush Apetyan was captured alive by Azerbaijani forces alongside more than 10 Armenian soldiers captured alive, upon the Armenian Ministry of Defense.[3] www.jpost.com/opinion/article-719504 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Anush_Apetyan

[@HolyArmor]

How do you think it is to live with these people (turkey and dictatorship azerbayjan) as your neighbors? I mean just look at the t_urks history it's filled with war and bloodshed. It should give you a clue.

[@anybodyhandle]

Armenian really got trouble ! Russian now not good - America and EU please help + Iran and Turkey involved . Really BS Can be very bad future for Armenian.🙏😇☺️

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

A telling irony in this conflict is that Russia is supporting the democratic Armenia, while the west is courting the autocratic Azerbaijan for its oil. So much for principled disputes.

[@salamov963]

Better than supporting armenia aka russia's puppet 😂

[@Random-ob7dc]

@@salamov963 You really don't know what democratic means, do you?

[@nenenindonu]

The irony is occupant Armenia playing the victim while getting support from anti-NATO countries like Russia & Iran, GO Azerbaijan !

[@andrewrogers3067]

@@nenenindonuClearly you’re okay with invasion when it’s with people you don’t like.

[@OurLordandSaviorSigmar]

Welcome to geopolitics 💀

[@Menuas2012]

Armenia didn't send "arms" to Ukraine. They sent humanitarian aid to Ukraine a few days ago. Armenia itself needs arms to defend itself against azerbaijan and turkey.

[@brdcedka981]

If Armenia wants to defend itself against us Turks, it must correct the stupid laws in its constitution that claim rights on the lands of the Republic of Turkey and the Republic of Azerbaijan and say that they will establish a great Armenia, otherwise it will take 3 days for the Republic of Turkey and the Republic of Azerbaijan to occupy the entire territory of Armenia

[@levoGAMES]

This is even more tragic considering what a vast empire Armenia used to be at some points in history. Controlling all of Syria, parts of Turkey, Iudea (Israel), Georgia, Azerbaijan and more.

[@OrcaNative]

😂 armenia empire? What you smoking 🍆

[@Minposu123]

Every nation was big once

[@Yougottacryforthis]

When did Armenia control Israel and Syria???

[@orkov6219]

I guess this part of a history was only taught in Armenian history classes!!

[@davidwuhrer6704]

​@@Minposu123I can think of a few where that isn't true.

[@PhillMac]

Thank you so much for covering this issue, which is almost never talked about in mainstream media... 🙏

[@mrboxheadd748]

YEAH THIS VIDEO DOESN'T TELL YOU THE TRUTH EITHER RUSSIANS STILL IN LACHIN CORRIDOR AND CSTO DOESN'T ACTIVATE IN DISPUTE LAND ONLY INTERNATIONAL RECOGNIZED BORDERS

[@PhillMac]

@@mrboxheadd748Azerbaijan has also attacked the sovreign territory of the Republic of ARMENIA as well, and Putin and the CSTO have just silently watched it happen. This is a new GENOCIDE being executed on the Armenian people, after the one they are trying to say never happened in the late 1800s and 1915.

[@mrboxheadd748]

@@PhillMac RUSSIANS DID SEND FACT FINDING MISSION TO SEE WHO FIRED FIRST ARMENIA OR AZERBAIJAN I GUESS THEY FOUND ARMENIA AT FAULT SHOOTING INTO AZERBAIJAN IN ORDER FOR THEM TO RETURN FIRE AND SO ARMENIAN CAN GET CSTO ACTIVATED I BELIEVE IT BECAUSE AZERBAIJAN STILL HAS TO TAKE THE REST OF NAGORNO-KARABAKH SO WHY START A WAR WITH CSTO NOW AND LOSE EVERYTHING AZERBAIJAN IS FULLY AWARE OF THE CSTO TREATY AND DOESN'T HELP WHEN ARMENIAN PM IS SOLELY BLAMING RUSSIA FOR FAILURES WHEN HE(PASHINYAN) IS SOLELY TO BLAME

[@themetalfox3725]

This situation kind of reminds me of the Chaco War between Bolivia and Paraguay. 2 post-imperial countries that had a border dispute and ended up fighting over the land :/

[@alenlivai]

One country actually has a long history in the region while the other is a made up relic of 20th-century pan-Turkism.

[@mitch8072]

how diid that end?

[@Spacemongerr]

​@@mitch8072Paraguay got most of the disputed territory

[@ThighErda]

and lost 1/3 o its male population@@Spacemongerr

[@a2falcone]

@@mitch8072Like all wars involving Bolivia: a Bolivian loss (and they started it).

[@SchrodingersCat8813]

I also think it’s interesting to note that it was actually a war in 2014 but Russia intervened very quickly… in 2020 they were much slower even drawing international outcry to step in and this was well before their invasion of Ukraine. I’m sure part of it was Geopolitics but in 2018 Armenia also elected a new leader who was a bit more western oriented/less of the Russian sphere. I always found it interesting the difference in Russian response after that it always made me wonder if Putin was perhaps much less willing to fulfill his obligation when the leader was not as friendly…. But yeah I’m deeply concerned for Armenia, they just want to be left alone and live and this century old land dispute (that the Soviet Union could’ve resolved and never did) is basically a ticking time bomb. It may not be tomorrow but I don’t see how full invasion isn’t coming.

[@julius43461]

I was actually impressed with how they managed things in 2020, considering that they were kind of late, and they even got their helicopter taken down. They ended up involving Turkey just a little bit, but they were still the main broker. But whatever Azerbaijan decides to do now, Armenia will be at their mercy. Russia won't be able to do a thing about it.

[@Yarenoglu]

Of course a westerner christian is supporting Armenia and seeing them as the oppressed here. "But yeah I’m deeply concerned for Armenia, they just want to be left alone" if they want to be left alone they had so many opportunities to make peace, to un-occupy Azerbaijani territory, but they don't and they don't want to cease their invasion in Azerbaijan without force. So Azerbaijan is the bad guy for trying to get their lands back from Armenian invaders? Oh poor you, you must be so concerned about the poor old invaders. The reason their invasion was successful was because they had Russia behind their back. Now Turkey is behind Azerbaijan, and Armenia won't be able to terrorize them any longer. Justice will be served, hot or cold. That is Azerbaijan's choice now.

[@PhilipCripe]

Putin doesn't support anyone but puppets. But now he's pretty much a puppet of China. Without China he's done.

[@AggieAze]

It sounds crazy, but the only sensible way for Armenia to "be left alone" in this geography is to have a deal with turks, which armenians completely refuse.

[@shaimaarfa9890]

No matter what Russia does it is always the bad guy! Russia did fantastic in 2020, it did intervene to make the two sit down and talk peace, it kinda forced them to stop the war, it did also warn that it will intervene if either countries tries to invade the other, karabakh is a different story as both countries have legit reasons to claim it at theirs, those who have made the war possible are western and Nato countries, Armenia's government was backed by the west since the revolution of 2014, and Azerbaijan was fully supported by the strongest nato countries in the region, Turkey and Israel. But smh Russia is to blame, when they were the ones to stop the war TWICE, and those who have fed the war are now blaming it all on Russia!!! The only thing that stopped the lunatics from involving their citizens into a full scale bloody war was the Russian influence, the west saw that Russia is pretty much occupied now and they started to put gas on the fire. Russia isn't always the bad guy, it has been the good guy many times in history, the west isn't always right and have caused many wars and disasters in countless countries. Stop seeing everything as black or white.

[@ilkin.axundlu]

Appreciate the efforts to explain the situation in a short video, but it's really oversimplified. I understand that it's quite hard to give info about a multi-layered, hundred years old conflict happening in a very diverse part of the world, however, it would be great to say or note this by "this isn't and/or may not be the whole precise picture"

[@azeturkmen]

Bro, actually this topic doesn require deep research. There are simple facts to be addressed firstly, as those lands belong to Azerbaijan and even Armenia itself doesn recognize seperatist state. If everyone starts claiming ownership on the lands which their ancestors allegedly lived thousands years ago what would happen in the world 😂 simply, armenians like russians want s to occupy Azerbaijani lands by playing ethnic minority card which is fated to fail. All world knows armenia is ally of Russia, and by support of Russia they could hold those lands under occupation, as russia gets weaker day by day and becoming more dependant on Turkiye, Armenian seperatist entity doesn stand a chance against modernized NATO style Azerbaijani army :)

[@azeturkmen]

@@AtarahMata Russia wouldn let it.. don't believe these tales. Russia is in control of even current "pro Western" government. Armenian "western" president helping russians to build military equipments to kill ukranians. As sanctions don't let russians import some important goods directly, they do it through armenian companies. As a result economical relations between two countries doubled, tripled in last years which is statistical fact. Armenians can't go against Russians interests, it is only Show is crafted by russians to escape sansctions.

[@galaxyofvid2738]

They should liberate Palestine from jewhadists instead of this

[@umidnazarov5725]

No,it is Azerbaijan who is aligned with Russia currently.You oversimplification leads to a huge mistake.Russia pressures Pashinyan via Alıyev.

[@exdeath64]

I'm of the mind that wwiii isnt going to be one side versus another and more a domino fall of more groups taking advantage of chaos to engage in millitary adventures which leads to more chaos which leads to...you get the idea

[@MoonPhantom]

I mean the sides has pretty much been formed already, it is pretty much all the Nato countries, Vs. All of the Anti Nato countries, lead by the BRICS countries. These people DESPISE Nato and the thing is.... I don't even blame them for a second. Nato and the US really had their nose in so many things that don't concern them and made everything worse all the time. The only President in the last 30 years that DIDN'T start some new stupid war was Donald Trump. Obama was just like.... Lets bomb Yemen... FOR PEACE! ....... I'm sorry what? Why? And then removing leaders, creating power vacuums, that allowed fundamentalists to rise up who were FAR worse than the previous leaders and who HATES the west with a passion. And again for good reason... We bloody bombed their countries and still claim we are the good guys! Most of the world HATES us, and it makes total sense why. In spite of that the leaders of the West is utterly blind to it. "Oh they love us over there, they will totally respect us and our culture." ...... Why would they ever respect us or our culture? We clearly don't respect theirs as we are trying to force our values on them and bomb countries... For peace....

[@Godfrey544]

yep i think you're absolutely right. it'll just be a collapse of the Pax Americana.

[@TruthSeeker8834]

More like bronze age collapse

[@OK-yy6qz]

This is exactly how both world wars Started. But this time we have weapons that can cause human extinction within hours so let's not go there please?

[@LasertechStudios3142]

That is a pretty good description of how WWII started as well actually

[@robinannaniaz9670]

I'm from Turkmenistan, let me tell you a secret. For decades the Turanists (Pan Turkists trying to unify the Turkic world) have been craving for an unbroken land bridge between the Oghuz Turks. The Oghuzs are the Turks of Anatolia, Azerbaijan, north Iran, the Turkmen of the middle east and ofc Turkmenistan. They call the project "the Oghuz corridor" and it gives Iran historic PTSD 😄

[@otzi1]

What do people in Turkmenistan think about Turan? Do they feel close to Azerbaijanis and Turks?

[@robinannaniaz9670]

@@otzi1 The educated ones do. The leadership is north Korea level ignorant and bigoted. They keep most of the population uneducated and poor. So can't blame the people. I personally believe my Anatolian siblings have a natural right to their ancestral homeland. I fully support the Anatolian army to invade and liberate us from tyranny. The Azerbaijanis have repeatedly made their wish clear that they want a reunified Oghuz state. I can't wait!

[@Nickel_Eye]

@@otzi1 idk about Turkmenistan, but it's viewed mostly negatively by Kazakhs and Uzbeks from what i've read.

[@linkme2dnet]

@@Nickel_Eye without Armenia developing the strategic military means to deter the az+tr nexus, there is only the slow erosion of its statehood. Nothing else will work - no solution, agreement, memorandum, peace treaty nothing. Any peace agreement without the explicit involvement & military intervention/ART#5 type security guarantee clause by powerful states will just be delaying another future attack. People forget that Azeris are constantly violating nearly all the agreements of 2020 treaty with the excuse of their imaginary corridor. So it is beyond me why Armenia spends a billion dollar acquiring artilleries and rockets from India, while the very weapon it must get its hands on can not be given to it by any other state!

[@shafuimcoming5151]

​@@Nickel_Eyebased Kazakh and Uzbek

[@TemirIIrimeT]

Your statement is critically incorrect - " Azerbaijan always had an upper hand". Karabag was under armenian accusation for nearly 20 years and Armenia had an upper hand. Do your homework and make your statement right!

[@conqueror_the_based]

Short answer: yes

[@taske195]

😂😢😅

[@andrewm2002]

Enclaves don't work when both sides hate each other. The current map will change

[@commonwealthrealm]

The Armenia and Azerbaijan situation in 2023 is surprisingly similar to that of the Second Polish Republic and Nazi Germany in 1939. You have a land corridor splitting up the bigger more populated aggressor country. In both cases the stronger aims to reunite the exclaves by removing the corridor at the expense of their weaker neighbor and ethnically cleansing it. All while also holding territory where the other country / nation has a majority population (Armenians: Nagarno Karabakh in Azerbaijan and Poles: Upper Silesia up to Oppeln in Nazi Germany). This is truly a dangerous situation and any escalation could result in intervention from outside and even put NATO to its ultimate test due to Turkey's support of Azerbaijan (the aggressor if they invade and annex the southern part of Armenia). Then you have the history of the 20th century which makes it even more crucial to maintain the peace and balance in the region.

[@newmapper5939]

but unlike that the corridor and the larger part of the corridor on the other side is ethnically armenian

[@peterfireflylund]

Germany actually had a really good claim back then. Azerbaijan doesn’t. It “just” has the power to take what it wants and an international community that doesn’t much care.

[@royalroyal2210]

But in this case, the "Nazi" will face no retaliation whatsoever from the "Allies" for gobbling up the "Poland", since the "Nazi" are of vital importance for the "Allies"

[@sunjarty8521]

​@@blindpanda6211International community probably would've let Armenia keep Nagorno-Karabakh, if they did limited themselves to the region instead of grabbing surrounding territories back than.

[@commonwealthrealm]

@@peterfireflylund A Corridor which was created by the Versailles treaty as Wilson's point about an independent Poland with sea access and accepted by all parties involved in 1919? Remember that Poles lived all the way up to the Hel peninsula and Germany was guilty of heavy discrimination and germanisation efforts of territories they annexed in the first partition of Poland-Lithuania in 1772. Germans tend to forget that 1939 wasn't their first but fourth partition of independent Polish territory by force. kazwoy.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/slajd152.jpg

[@Khalidg.]

A few corrections and food for thought: 1. Armenia captured Nagorno-Karabakh and 7 surrounding towns and kept it for 30 years; no one cared. 2. Azerbaijan did not INVADE anyone, since it was operating to regain its own internationally recognized territory, which was illegally kept under occupation for 30 years. 3. All of the Azerbaijani population of Nagorno-Karabakh, its surrounding regions, and all of Armenia were ethnically cleansed. Hence the "referendum" you're talking about in your video is seriously under question. With the same logic, Azerbaijanis of Zangazur (now Syunik in Armenian), who were forcefully cleansed from the region, could hold a "referendum" and claim independence the same way. 4. The Western world has never approached the issue with objectivity due to diaspora influence on local politics (such as France and the U.S.A.) as well as "Christian brotherhood" factors. You can easily see the one-sided statements from them all the time, which are somehow always skipped by the "internet storytellers". 5. Armenians of Armenia are pretty much hostages of the external influence of the bigger players, as well as their diaspora, which is a huge political and financial machine in itself, that don't let the countries settle their differences and live in peace after all. These people have lived side by side for literally at least 1,000 years and will be neighbors for the foreseeable future. Think about it, without conflict, Russia has no say in the region, Iran cannot be the biggest transit route for Armenia, France cannot influence Armenia as much, the U.S.A. (especially California congressmen) cannot exploit voters, and the Armenian diaspora pretty much loses its reason to exist.

[@marobroadcast2067]

People watching this video after it happened💀.

[@haykk5375]

An authoritarian regime that has ruled the country for decades amasses troops on the border with special insignias, claiming all of their neighbour's territory is theirs, while denying any invasion. Where have we seen this before?

[@alexccc8982]

Sayuz ne rushimii

[@dirt-kw7cy]

oh no turk nationalists are cuming

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

A telling irony in this conflict is that Russia is supporting the democratic Armenia, while the west is courting the autocratic Azerbaijan for its oil. So much for principled disputes.

[@mightyx5441]

​@@ArawnOfAnnwnif you reread that a dictatorship is supporting a democracy and the west doing west thing working with a dictatorship till it's ties break over a river bc "my water, my river"

[@VandalAudi]

Good thing this authoritarian regime is backed by NATO country then.

[@muhammadhabibieamiro3639]

Tldr really is the only news Channel i go to

[@orkunyucel3095]

The more important question is: Why did Armenia occupy Azerbaijan for 32 years?

[@Y2kedward]

Its not Azerbaijan all of them are christian Armenians

[@shafsteryellow]

​@@Y2kedward the land.

[@Y2kedward]

@@shafsteryellow Armenian land.

[@shafsteryellow]

@@Y2kedward lol dream on

[@OperationNemesis]

It never was Azerbaijan….It has been Armenian lands for thousands of years until Turkic people from Central Asia migrated west to the Caucasus, Anatolia, and the Middle East. Hence why Turkey exists in Anatolia and why Azerbaijan exists in the caucasus today. Most of the South Caucasus historically belongs to Armenia

[@DzhavaAbbry]

I'll explain how things are now. Azerbaijan is actively restoring destroyed houses and historical monuments, as well as building new buildings. From time to time, Azerbaijan returns the refugees (Azerbaijanis) of the 90s back to their homes. The state also offers citizens of Armenian origin to return back to Karabakh, take Azerbaijani citizenship and live peacefully. But it is not profitable for Armenia, because now Armenia has a chance to somehow increase its population.

[@darchness9272]

Eh... really? :D I don't care about Azeris or Armenians and their strungle, but I can smell shit in your post. Take your honey moon story with ya and sell it to someone without a brain kiddo.

[@mattshipley570]

I am visiting both Armenia & Georgia in November. Two fascinating countries that have managed to preserve their Culture for centuries, very excited to see both nations for myself 🇦🇲❤️🇬🇪

[@AthenaCrete]

Can only attest attest to Georgia but it's a lovely country with very friendly people overall. It's a drinker's paradise lol

[@cemo3292]

None of your countries is fascinating 😂

[@bigboyrambo2009]

Because Ottomans ALLOWED everyone to keep their religion culture and language

[@av3902]

@@cemo3292 the most interesting thing about turkey is that everyone's grandpa partook in pogroms and no one talks about it

[@gevorgvanarmenie9788]

@@bigboyrambo2009until 20th century of course. Then you’re either Turkish and muslim or you die.

[@osmanabdinasir]

CSTO can not intervene because Karabakh is not recognised as part of Armenia it’s internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan.

[@mappingshaman5280]

Lmao that's a dumb sentiment. Diego garcia is recognised as part of Mauritius but if Mauritius invaded, you bet your ass that America and the uk would blast it into the Stone age

[@scotthenderson292]

Yeah that's what people don't realize about this conflict. Armenia invaded the region first. You reap what you sow.

[@realteslashow]

Not true really. Azeris went on Armenian territory in 2021 septermber as well. CSTO just dont want tot interfere, because they are not really an allie of Armenia here.

[@grimgoreironhide9985]

@@scotthenderson292Armenians lived in the region for centuries. It was the Russians and that Georgian Stalin who gifted that region to Azeris to create future conflicts. The same tactics which the French and British used against the mIddle East. Look up the Armenian Kingdom. It has existed in that region for thousands of years until the Muslims came and invaded.

[@edyslavico3761]

@@scotthenderson292 in the 1990s Armenia invaded and won. This is just payback

[@PersianGulf007]

The title of this video should be: “Will Iran invade Azerbaijan” From geopolitical standpoint, with Iran, USA, Russia, India, France behind Armenia, there is no way Azerbaijan can invade Armenia.

[@randomhuman5525]

Persian wet dream 😅 If you want to be destroyed by Türkiye, try it.

[@zakaaliyev8415]

50 million South Azerbaijanis laugh at your comment😂

[@bob7098]

Bro💀 EU NATO and USA is behind Ukraine but did they do something about invasion of Ukraine?

[@mnbg5588...]

yes they did

[@solomon525]

As a Georgian, it is pretty worrisome when the Russians fight the Ukrainians up North and Azeris fight the Armenians in the down South. Switzerland 2.0? Let's hope

[@hhhhkkmmcc3089]

I think u forgot about Abkhazia and Ossetia lol

[@williamdavis9562]

@Solomon525. You guys seem pretty safe right now. Russia is too busy with Ukraine to bother you guys. And Azerbaijan's military superiority over Armenia will pretty much ensure this conflict won't spill over, even if it were to I'm not sure Turkey would allow either of those two nations to spread their insanity into Georgia. Georgia seems pretty golden right now with all their rivals "busy" lol

[@Dan19870]

Genuine query; has Georgia seen an abnormal amount of 'Young' Russian men and women seek sanctuary in Georgia to avoid sanctions and potential conscription? Western media stated that tens of thousands left Russia and RT, (IIRC) didn't comment on the emigration.

[@leftidetarg2615]

that comment LOL 😂😂

[@lawtraf8008]

@@Dan19870 I don't know about Georgia but They are all over TURKEY

[@lucifer1friend]

Thanks! for reporting the real news

[@Writer_Productions_Map]

Omfg donation

[@salamov963]

(Real) yeah it is 😂

[@Writer_Productions_Map]

@@salamov963 ah a Russian?

[@BRONCOWEN]

I can’t believe I’ve heard zero coverage about this in the United States. Thanks for this story.

[@williamdavis9562]

It isn't really important enough on a global stage for there to be much news about it here. It is super interesting but not exactly big news.

[@BRONCOWEN]

@@williamdavis9562I unfortunately see plenty of news coverage for sports and celebrity garbage. This is easily more important than that.

[@kizilotesi]

Typical American😂

[@williamdavis9562]

@@BRONCOWEN Yes this is 100x more important than who some random singer is dating. But unfortunately what who a singer is dating tends to get much higher ratings than something like this. Also even if the media did cover it, we know they'll base it on what the state department wants you to think and you'll get an extremely false narrative on the issue anyway. So instead of knowing nothing about the issue, you'd probably walk away with a warped and untrue version of what is happening. If they don't feel an issue is important enough for them to take the energy to lie to us about it, they won't cover it. This is one of those situations. It is just the way our entire system of disseminating information is unfortunately.

[@soundwavesuperior5596]

@@williamdavis9562but why is Kosovo and Serbia more important?

[@reshaldo]

Look: Armenia not living any other Nationalities. On the middle of Turkish population lands but no Azeri or turk living there . Not only Turks Azeris also no other nationalities Why?

[@nekipanic]

Because they don't want muslim sheets on their territory! Muslims is always a problem in every Christian country...

[@rafail2303]

If Ajerbaijan wasn't an petrol-state the west would treat it like Russia

[@spectre8_fulcrum]

And they should.

[@TruthSeeker8834]

​@@spectre8_fulcrumIf west was that good then earth would have a half paradise

[@spectre8_fulcrum]

doesnt mean azer and russia is better than the west @@TruthSeeker8834

[@TruthSeeker8834]

@@spectre8_fulcrum Armenia literally took land from Azerbaijan which is Internationally recognised. So Armenia is 100% fault in here. While Russia has only one condition. Don't have any enemy military alliance in the neighbouring country which i think fair for the small, weak countries. Sure they are wrong but they didn’t initiated the conflict.

[@spectre8_fulcrum]

ethnic armenians live there, and the people living there wanted to be a part of armenia, not azer. bloodthirsty azer were the one who started killing@@TruthSeeker8834

[@Yasinburak1992]

Well we could blame on person, Stalin for creating this messy lines thinking he could reunite the Soviet Union after his death

[@seradar5000]

Yes, shame on azerbaijan and Stalin.

[@tinypie9659]

This didn't age well

[@sosdotgold8442]

It was never Azerbaijan land.

[@AzeEdit6633]

its Azerbaijani land

[@sosdotgold8442]

@@AzeEdit6633 yes Turkey is Azerbaijan land.

[@scoobydoobers23]

Im shocked that even TLDR would try and explain this conflict in 8 minutes. Shit is like millenia old.

[@asirnewazkhan4172]

A- for effort ig

[@boosterh1113]

I mean, sort of, but basically everything before 1991 can be summed up with: Armenians and Azeris are mixed together in the region and they hate each other. Ethnic groups that hate each other being geographically co-mingled is common enough that Westerners don't really care whose ancestors invaded who, or who launched a crusade/jihad against the other several hundred years ago. We just chalk that up to "they have been killing each other for a long time" and start looking for when the paperwork (i.e. treaties, imperial provincial law, declarations of independence, etc.) starts.

[@THEFEZFEZ]

You can look at those borders, knowing nothing else, and realize that this situation was never going to be sustainable.

[@zee9709]

yeah, its only a matter of time, one side gonna give

[@Avazz77]

This video is a propaganda against Azerbaijan. And full of "mistakes". First, Azerbaijan doesn't call that region Nogorno Karabagh, but just call it Karabagh. Second, Armenians were majority only a few small villages and small parts of Karabagh which they moved in early 1900s. Third "the referendum" was on Azerbaijan's land and there were over a million of Azerbaijanis at that time, including my parents and relatives were against that wasn't even asked, and didn't participated in it. And Armenia invaded over 20% of Azerbaijan which includes regions like Kalbajar, Lachin, Fizuli, Zangilan, Jabrayil and other parts that there weren't even a thousand Armenians living but with the population over 60000 people. And my family and relatives were killed by Armenians and forced to move Baku. Where I was born and grew up. Another thing there were hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis living in Armenian before 1990. But there's not a single Azerbaijani right now. They either got killed or forced to move. But still there over 50 thousands aremniians living in Azerbaijan, Baku as the citizens of Azerbaijan. So you have to be unbiased if you're making a video about such a sensitive topic. And when it comes to Armenian whoever participated in the first war and killed Azerbaijanis including my relatives, deserved to die. And fortunately justice has been served by Azerbaijani military and some of those armenian killers went straight to hell in 2020, during second war. Armenia never had balls to be a honorable nation they did meat riding to Russia for centuries and now Russia is weaker they're doing the same to France and the USA. But it won't change the fact that they won't get a single piece of Azerbaijan's land any more because simply they don't have men to fight for them. And no French or American will do that for them.

[@DefenseUpdateBangladesh]

What a way to lie 🤔 This guy telling not less than 70% LIES 🤥 TLDR avoided to tell you that #Karabakh is internationally recognized integral part of #Azerbaijan

[@darter9000]

Sounds like every country needs to review their Russian authored pacts and treaties…

[@skp8748]

Why all csto countries recognise it as azeri territory... they've all pleaded with Armenia to grant them the southern corridor even that they turned down..

[@chrisu9274]

You never really know how a war will end once it starts.

[@kobnjfkdkf5161]

I agree but superior Israeli tech combined with Turkish drones against a outdated Armenian army - we can see the writing on the wall

[@Minposu123]

Dont worry as a turk(🇹🇷) i know my people(🇦🇿) They would only take karabağ and a bit land from armenia not a big land only ekvator side of armenia and it would only be for a few meters long (so azerbajian can have a connection with its land that in turkiyes side) but i know turks and azerbajian wont attack armanias main cities or that type places because it only gonna bring blood and chaos in order make that places safe for azerbajian to controp or own they need to do genocide (which is like biggest crime for turks and if they do genocide even azeri turks or turkiye woulndt support azerbajian so they woulndt do or dare to do genocide) So as long as armenia doesnt attack azerbajian armenians are safe😊

[@kerdart351]

@@Minposu123 You know them ? You know of the genocides done by your ancestors then ? Armenian genocide, Assyrian genocide, Pontic greeks genocide ? Also, how is the situation in Cyprus ?

[@elsadhmidov2485]

Bi savaş başlarsa sonuçta zafer Türk halkının olur❤

[@lba6859]

The day before the war in Ukraine Azerbaijan signed agreement with Russia of strategic cooperation. Coincidentally there was a sequence of more similar type of agreements.

[@user-tq1tz3gg5g]

Путин и его команда великий Туран это значит Путин крыша Алиева

[@koshisunuwarrai]

Spot on analysis. Azerbaijan military have started a military operation into Armenia a week later.

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

5:47 It's not an upside down A; It's a crossed out V. The Azeris are also using a crossed out Z as thier military symbol. They are basically using the Russian symbols.

[@bugrasevinc9696]

Why would they tho, Russia supported Armenia for the longest time and still would if they weren't busy

[@stanchpandora3658]

@@bugrasevinc9696 Not true. Russia has continued to use this conflict as a way to keep Armenia weak and dependent while supplying armaments to Azerbaijan. On paper they say they are Armenia's ally, in reality they are not.

[@stanchpandora3658]

@@bugrasevinc9696 Oh yea, Putin is also more interested in Azerbaijan since they both are dictatorships. Armenia also used to have one, but it was overthrown in 2018 during the Vevlet Revolution. Another objective Putin has is using the conflict as a way to destabilize the parliamentary republic established in 2018 and allow the previous regime to re-establish its control.

[@Tay12345]

🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Armenia = Russia’s side Azerbaijan = Ukraine’s side

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

@@bugrasevinc9696 I believe the relationship between Russia and Azerbaijan is greatly misunderstood in the West. Russia might have a great relationship with Armenia but that doesn't mean they don't also have one with Azerbaijan. Russia and Azerbaijan are quite close. Maybe not as close as Azerbaijan and Turkey but close enough. A significant number of ethnic Russians live in Azerbaijan and a significant number of ethnic Azeris live in Russia. Do you really believe Azerbaijan would have welcomed the presence of Russian peacekeepers if they really believed that Russia supported Armenia in the war. Come on! The 3 countries are ex-Soviet States and they have a complex past and as such a complex relationship. Russia intervened diplomatically in the last conflict to prevent unnecessary bloodshed and to help develop a path to peace, which they did. Unfortunately, Armenia is currently refusing to honor the tri-lateral agreement they signed together with Russia and Azerbaijan. According to the agreement, Armenia should relinquish most of Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan.

[@zjzr08]

This is just a mess IMO as this region is full of a lot of ethnic groups that are just scattered but were under different bigger powers centuries ago like with Mongols I think, Ottomans and then Russia - after the USSR collapsed they became too unstable and just like in Yugoslavia it became aggressive which lands these eventual countries will have when they aren't independent for more than maybe even a millennium ago; there needs to be a long term peace agreement with this like between Greece and Turkey, albeit it may also need population swapping which is seen unfavorably now.

[@PaulV.]

So Armenia hosts joint military exercises with NATO, sends help to Ukraine and in the same time is hoping that Russia will come to their aid? A bit of cognitive dissonance, so to say.

[@Hammov]

you got the last part wrong, armenia isn't hoping for russias help at all, Russia has backstabbed us and never helped us, they sold weapons to azeris and they are pretty much on azeris side (because they're with turkey now and turkey is basically brother of azeri), Armenia is fully trying to lean on to the west now but it is hard to do it instantly or we will become another ukraine and this time russia will really mess us up...

[@SYldz67]

​@@AtarahMataArmenia is not a democracy 😂

[@armenpoghosyan4998]

Its important to note, Russia never intervened by CSTO agreement, there were never Russian troops fighting on the side of Armenia. Their intervention was a a very bad trilateral agreement that is now being broken by Azerbaijan.

[@azeturkmen]

if Armenia didn't occupy rightful lands of Azerbaijan back in 1990s by support of russians...

[@Ukit50]

CSTO agreement is to protect Armenia from invasion , Qarabagh is not part Armenia and not stipulated in the agreement stupid. Yes there are Armenian Russian Wagner army send by Kremlin Russia pro Armenia during 2020 war.

[@kerdart351]

@@azeturkmen Azeris refused to give independance to Karabagh despite the fact that the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia in 1988, legally. Also, Azeris started to make pogroms (massacres) against armenians as soon as 1989 (then massacres against Azeris followed during the subsequent war...). it's quite different, Armenia and inhabitant of Karabagh never recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as an Azeri land (since 1990 and pogroms against armenians btw, same period where azerbaidjan got its independance), and indeed it never was (it's populated by a majority of armenians for thousands of years). The ones destroying armenian heritage and ancient buildings are turks and azeris, not the opposite, especially in Nakhchivan, but there is no armenian remaining in Nakhchivan. On February 20, 1988, the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia. The demand to unify with Armenia, which began anew in 1988, began in a relatively peaceful manner. Azerbaidjan didn't even exist in 1988 lmao

[@aliaraz4320]

Lie: Where did Aremnia's victory winning ARMY in 1993 disappered? BECAUSE THEN IN 1993 RUSSIAN TROOPS PAINTED IN ARMENIAN COLORS/FLAGS WAS THE MAIN POWER WHO INVADED KARABAG + OTHER AZERBAIJANI TERRITORIS (25 OF AZERBAIJAN'S LANDS. LIARS LIARS LIARS

[@MaaanMaanMan]

@@azeturkmenLOL, Armenians lived there for centuries. Historically it belongs to Armenia. If during USSR it was legally given to Azerbaijan, that doesn’t mean that Armenians are occupiers. Stop using such terms. If Putin tomorrow says, that Moscow is USA, and legally acknowledges it, does it mean that people living in Moscow are occupiers? 😂

[@Charles-sg9zu]

I have no idea this two countries have conflicts until now.

[@raiden0801]

Err.. Where were you? They was a war break out on 2021 when Corona virus started in China

[@lololo6345]

For god's sake not this again

[@OshinAttari]

Tell that to Condombaijan Regime

[@TheRiskcan]

How on earth Azerbaijan is “invading”. Itself? Change it to reclaiming it’s sovereignty.

[@joshuachapman247]

@TLDR Looks like you were right, fighting has erupted between Aremina and Azerbaijan.

[@DerivativeOfLog7]

Azerbaijan really be using the "for each" symbol on their veichles

[@PastaSenpai]

🤣

[@TheCentristChad]

And this is why you need to keep spending on your military and have good relations with your neighbors

[@bullmoosevelt4495]

None of those were ever in Armenia’s control. The country was too poor from day one to afford a decent military budget of any kind. And all of Armenia’s neighbors are either sworn enemies, or negligent abusers who simply keep them on a chain for their own interests.

[@user-yl5ro9mb4l]

maybe they shouldn't have invaded Azerbijan in 1992?@@bullmoosevelt4495

[@MikeJackson690]

See: Ukraine. Nuclear disarmament has cost them dearly.

[@TruthSeeker8834]

​@@bullmoosevelt4495Armenia was strong at the beginning and they attack Azerbaijan first

[@michaelfoster9296]

they attacked becuase Azerbaijan besieged Stepankert and began to starve the people to death while also bombing civilians @@TruthSeeker8834

[@quite1enough]

Well, that escalated quickly 😢

[@yoavmor9002]

Folks are hating on Azerbaijan here, claiming they should be sanctioned and Armenia helped and all kinds of stuff... On what basis? They (maybe with some very small exceptions) aren't occupying de jure Armenian land. Their military moves are consistent with the military moves it would make to liberate Nagarno-Karabakh, which is de-jure Azerbaijan's from Armenia; a move they have the right to make. The only thing you can go by with is a human rights record but if we know two things, it's that a human rights record is incredibly hard to base, AND that sanctions are an incredibly ineffective tool to create human rights improvement. The alternative, offering Ukraine style support to Armenia would totally alienate Azerbaijan, and again, that wouldn't be rooted in fighting a violation of international law; BUT THE OPPOSITE, it would in effect be becoming an accomplice in the violation of international law. This is NOT a move that spurs confidence in international partners, this is NOT a move that advance support for a rules based international order. The commies created a catch 22 in the borders of their former subjects. These borders were designed to create war. The only way to avoid wars is an adherence to international law. And that means some nations, like Armenia, get screwed out of their ethnic lands. So be it. It is not the arbitrary Putin style land grabs where if you give a finger he takes a hand. It is a land grab based on decisions made many decades ago, and the situation is not repeatable. That is why diplomacy is the only option for Armenia to gain any kind of victory

[@rochesterjohnny7555]

I feel bad for Armenia, they have no allies in their cause

[@NoName-xq7dp]

They have Iran and don't forget that they still in CSTO

[@baneofbanes]

@@NoName-xq7dpCSTO can’t be depended upon.

[@eren3390]

@@NoName-xq7dpiran LOL

[@ayde92829]

I feel like a new international military convention should be passed around attributing full fiscal responsability for destroyed properties and infrastructure within a warzone , regardless of control, to the sovreign party who destroyed it. liability doubles if it was destroyed in a 'non-formalized "CoNfliCt" '.

[@musqul8566]

Worked so well after WW1.

[@caitgems1]

Good timing bro 💪

[@FATHOLLYWOODB123]

Best way to solve this, give Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan and the Nakhchivan region to Armenia, then sponsor a population transfer program between the two regions, therefore Armenians are not split up and Azerbaijanis are not split up, problem solved.

[@adityamessiah69]

Nope, Why would I have to be forced to leave my house and my land to live as a refugee in my own country?

[@yokinakamura720]

What a mindless way of thinking is that, All that land belongs to Azerbaycan already, they performed a genocide to Turks there to claim that land for themselves, but those they killed inhumanly were never forgotten, that land never was theirs in the first place, and they would have to leave soon or later, they should just thank god that Turks were never as cruel as them. By the way they already agreed to leave, its all over!

[@wesparsons5331]

Any thoughts on whether this will spill into Georgia? Sorry I am unfamiliar with this region and about to head to Tbilisi.

[@aaronhrynyk]

There will be conflict in Georgia but not for a few more years.

[@wakannnai1]

Armenia is more closely aligned with Moscow than Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is a western ally. It's not hard to see who will side with who.

[@ishhanian]

Don't worry, Georgia is a benefactor of the Turkey/Azerbaijan and Armenia bad blood.

[@aliksanon6491]

No Georgia should be 100% safe from the war, just stay away from the border just in case of missed strikes, tbilisi is not gonna feel anything tho

[@marcdc6809]

Georgia lost two provinces to Russia in 1993 (South Ossetia, Abhazia)... here the Tsjetsjens were involved. Georgia had been more aligned with the West, close ties with Nato and the EU even. Armenia is more on the Russian side, they counted on Russia to help them keep Nagorno Karabach. Azerbeidjan is backed by Turkey which is also in Nato. I guess Georgia would be like Ukraine, if they mess with it Nato will help from the sidelines with intel and weapons... Armenia is more like Belarus... or Serbia... not very popular with Nato, more aligned with Russia...

[@empireofred]

Look up Ramil Safarov. That will tell you a lot about Azerbaijan.

[@AnonymousAnonymous-xj5wr]

Look up Serj Sargsyan. He is babykiller. That will tell you a lot about Armenia

[@teemomain8268]

My thoughts on this are about the same with Karabakh as with Ukraine - If A country is too weak to defend self-proclaimed territory itself and relies on outside help ,Its Simply too weak to exist and should concede the land. Survival of the fittest.

[@ais89x]

so if someone breaks into your house and points a gun at you, you should not exist because "survival of the fittest"? You support ethnic cleansing because "survival of the fittest"?

[@spoonkus5893]

“They probably won’t invade don’t worry” yeah, that’s what they said in February 2022…

[@NoName-xq7dp]

Armenia already invaded Azerbaijan in 1991. You are too late

[@CurrentlyOffliner]

Is it invasion when you try to get back your UN recognized lands ? Then why Ukraine trying to invade Crimea with their current offensive ?

[@spoonkus5893]

@@CurrentlyOffliner fuck the UN, they’d rather cover up noncing than stop wars and genocides

[@kerdart351]

​@@NoName-xq7dp Azeris massacred Armenians in 1989, and refused to give independance to Karabagh despite the fact that the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia in 1988, legally. Azeris started to make pogroms (massacres) against armenians as soon as 1989 (then massacres against Azeris followed during the subsequent war...). Armenia and inhabitant of Karabagh never recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as an Azeri land (since 1990 and pogroms against armenians btw, same period where azerbaidjan got its independance), and indeed it never was (it's populated by a majority of armenians for thousands of years). The ones destroying armenian heritage and ancient buildings are turks and azeris, not the opposite, especially in Nakhchivan, but there is no armenian remaining in Nakhchivan. On February 20, 1988, the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia. The demand to unify with Armenia, which began anew in 1988, began in a relatively peaceful manner. Azerbaidjan didn't even exist in 1988 lmao

[@penzorphallos3199]

Russia invades Ukraine : 🇫🇷🇬🇧🇺🇲🇩🇪🇵🇱🇷🇴🇨🇦 Azerbaïdjan invades Armenia : 🦗

[@agaseyidebdurehimov1616]

Isgalci olke ermenistandi Azerbaycan deyil !

[@LUOLMO]

Because armenia that started the war?

[@penzorphallos3199]

@@LUOLMO Armenia started a war by defending a territory they own and inhabit since before the Roman Empire??? Least skizo turcoman imperialist.....

[@adidoki]

@@penzorphallos3199 Armenia hasn´t owned karabakh in milennia, for one they haven´t even been independent in a milennia, saying that land belongs to them is the same claim russians put over the baltics and ukraine

[@pingu9729]

​​@@penzorphallos3199spidermans pointing at each other moment. Ooooooo hizdorigal land sinssee Roman Embire times, hizdorigal Safavid land ooooooooo Kajari Empire land, OOOO Western Azerbaijan land, zoroastrian confederacy land

[@meh23p]

Here’s what I could never understand. If Azerbaijan gets to have Nakhichevan, its ethnic exclave with a large border to Iran, why was Armenia never allowed to posses Nagorno-Karabakh, or Artsakh, and have it be officially recognized? Is it just because Stalin, being a native Georgian, allegedly despised the Armenians and wanted to cut them off from their ancient ally of Iran? One thing is certain. With Aliyev at the helm, they’ll do anything if they think they can get away with it.

[@Kickboxer7267]

Because Armenians displaced and slaughtered 600.000 Azerbaijanis in the region.

[@meh23p]

@@Kickboxer7267source for that number?

[@ander936]

@@Kickboxer7267and nearly 4 million Armenians died at the hands of Turks and Azerbaijanis.

[@potato_nugget]

​@@Kickboxer7267try to make your lies believable at least

[@cactuscartocratus7228]

Divide and conquer. The borders here were drawn by Stalin not to be fair but specifically to cause conflict that could be used if there was a need.

[@ParuyrS]

Western countries can be interested in mutual relations with Armenia, because of Russian factor in South Caucasus is very small now and balance of power is disrupted. And because of that Americans opened industrial area in armenian-azerbaijanis border. I think that the role of regulator in this conflict can take USA. For Armenia there isn’t much time to get stronger, but with help of interested countries like USA and Iran confilct can delayed for a moment to give Armenia a chance to replay.

[@orkhanelekberov4618]

It is seem very easy to sit and write in front of the laptop at warm and silent home whatever your mind is thinking. But believe me your murdered troops also thought like that before they left to sleep at yerablur. The war is not for you, you cant fight, you can only kill people innocent kids and women as in KHOJALY 26 February in 1992 . you *rmenian predict to sit behind the supporting countries and cry from there.

[@neutrino4853]

A landlocked country cannot receive enough support of any kind from a power from thousands of miles away. Maybe from Georgian ports but I am not sure if it is ok to carry that much weapon in the black sea due to Montreaux convention. I think It is better for Armenia and Armenians to settle down the dispute and improve the relations with the neighbouring countries. Many people misses the point that Armenia has 4 neighbouring countries and they have bad relations with three of them including Georgia which is indeed a Christian country. Such international relations is a limitation for any country to prosper. About Russian influence in region, I can still say that it is much more than the US they still have cost advantage in case of a usage of force. Also an action against Azerbaijan may result gas shortages or at least price shocks in Europe so it is unlikely. Under these conditions it is better for Armenians and Armenian state to stop playing the victim and face what they did to regional countries in the past so they are not welcome in 75% of their neighbouring states. Also this type of action would decrease Armenians' dependence on regional or global powers to secure Armenia's territories. I do not say that improving relations is at no cost but still it is better than relaying on others.

[@ParuyrS]

@@neutrino4853 In 21 century countries conducting weapon transportation and not only weapon primarily use air connection as like Azeris with Il76 from Israel and talking about sea ports and land borders is not correct in 21 century. Improving relations is good, but only when in region will be balance between powers. Russia now has interests with Azerbaijan and Turkey it is knowed from everyone. But Russian factor americans want to break down and for that they can use Armenia. For great power balance in region is everything for US especially. Armenia wil try to normalise relations but only when requests from Turkey and Azerbaijan will be lesser than now and when Armenia will strenghthen its hard power.

[@neutrino4853]

@@ParuyrS I believe you are not counting the cost of air transportation. This is a huge parameter. If US wants to ship arms to Armenia for some reason it will be costly and who is going to pay for it? Armenian economy is not in a good shape and also not only Russia but also US is occupied with Ukraine war. Apart from the eastern europe, US has to focus on China and indo&west-pacific power shifts. I am afraid to say but it is not a lucrative deal for US to donate arms to a region in which their power projection capabilities will unlikely surpass the superpower in the region or say the least the regional powers such as Iran and Turkey. For such a scenario to become successful, Iran is critical for ground transportation. However, even if the US and the Iran decide to support Armenia I have doupts that they will collaborate on that purpose because of the Iranian illogical theocratic regime. By the way, to break the Russian overhand in caucasus they dont have to ally with Armenia, they can just support Ukraine so Russians will be much more occupied with the ongoing war. Also supporting Armenia in such conditions is costly, don't forget it is not wise to back the wrong horse. For Armenian state I cannot see a short term solution in favor of them. The least damaging international policy seems to negociate on demands and make them in a plausible level and then compromise. Another scenario can be formally allying with Iran and it could work for short term but this would be the last straw in between Armenian and western relations and damage it for a couple of decades.

[@ParuyrS]

@@neutrino4853 Armenia don’t have much choice in the countries to buy weapon for understandable reasons, but for example India can afford to help Armenia because of Pakistani factor and not only India. I don’t consider official help from US as a weapon transportation, but with their mediation Armenia can negotiate with Azerbaijan at the end. US is a country of big caliber and for them multitasking never was and is a problem if you read world history. And if we consider last peace agenda between Saudi Arabia and Iran for them possible zone of influence is essential in this region. Armenian economy now is being strengthened , but if we compare Armenia and Azerbaijan in numbers its obvious that azeris are ahead. Azeri’s inner political situation now isn’t good and they can’t afford many casualties in future war because of domestic political problems. They now work to scare Armenia with muscles to have more concessions at the table of negotiations. About Iran mentality of the last part 20 century is not proper because in foreign policy after death of Khomeini 1989 their foreign policy was oriented more secular way but in inner policy i agree they are religious. Armenia can use red lines of Iran considered with borders, because if Zangezur coridor will be opened Iran will lost 200 mln market and its against their national interests. In this vein Armenia has chances. With helping Ukraine US can’t low the influence of Russia through Azerbaijan and Turkey because they are in the same “basket”. But Armenia can diversify power balance. But i already mentioned that i truly disbelief about weapon help from US. Iran will not help with the situation of Nagorno-Karabakh, but Armenia should use Iran to the issue of Zangezur’s corridor.

[@Dr-Ekmek]

Hopefully we’ll see Armenia being absorbed into Azerbaijan this decade.

[@user-rx2gf4nx9e]

Hopefully we'll see Turkey being destroyed by dozen earthquakes and floodings!

[@Justin-ee1mv]

It could be another 2020 war situation but we will see

[@ravenlord4]

Waiting for the US to invade Canada to unite with Alaska. Just seems to be the trendy thing lately . . . 😂 Edit: I guess I need more emojis for some readers . . . 😉

[@valkyrie3493]

You need to read up more on history. 🌚🌚🌚

[@ShankarSivarajan]

@@valkyrie3493 It has been more than 200 years since the last attempt. I'd assess the US to be slightly stronger relative to Canada (even backed by Britain) than it was in 1812.

[@m.c.martin]

As someone who wants to be President of the US, I say that is a great idea! Thank you 🙏 😊

[@valkyrie3493]

@@ShankarSivarajan you and the original commenter need to demand a refund on your education. What has Alaska got to do with anything? Do you even know how Alaska became a US state?

[@bluepeng8895]

The difference is Alaska was never Canadian. Artsakh has always been Armenian for thousands of years. Canada has no business claiming Alaska, just like Azerbaijan has no business claiming Artsakh

[@GenXerReacts]

Update: about 2 hours before I'm posting this Azerbaijan has launched an offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh.

[@ukball6401]

Let’s see, if it happens by October

[@JinKee]

Everyone partnered with Russia is having a hard time getting Putin to answer their calls.

[@drago939393]

What about comparisons to the Kosovo situation? To me it seems like it's quite similar, except that NATO didn't bomb Azerbaijan.

[@user-yl5ro9mb4l]

Kosovo din't atack serbia in 1992, Azerbaijan got attacked by armenia in 1992

[@user-yl5ro9mb4l]

Kosovo still has serbians in it but honestly, we are talking about AR en AZ Go fight Albanians somewhere else because I can't be bothered@@BluEclipse94

[@user-yl5ro9mb4l]

@@BluEclipse94 Kosovo tried to give Serbia its serbian majority area for the albanian majority area in serbia but serbia refused. Also my original point still stands, Armenia is the agressor

[@drago939393]

​@@user-yl5ro9mb4l Similar unlawful secession tho.

[@AraVochavatkyan]

​@@user-yl5ro9mb4l INCORRECT. Like the video said, NK held a referendum (peaceful and democratic, as per observers from the time, unlike DoNbAs). One year later, Azerbaijan attacked Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenians have never once in this conflicted initiated violence. It's laughable how much trolling is going on.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Which Azerbaijan vs Armenian war is this one? I lost count a few yeass ago.

[@sahmarvelizade1662]

There are a lot of wrong information in this video. Please, next time search the materials more carefully as this topic is really sensible for millions of people.

[@SalweyGaming]

guess we got the answer today

[@gee8883]

Negotiate a southern passage to nahchivan. Build one road there . No war plz.

[@staxtyaptyapov]

this aged well

[@MurCellic1903]

So many important points missed deliberately or not 1. Karabakh is internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan, including Armenia. You don't invade your own territory/ 2. CSTO doesn't cover Karabakh as mentioned above since agreement based on recognized borders of members. So Russia didn't help because there was no reason to. 3. Armenia not only invaded Karabakh on 90 but surrounding areas which were 20% of Azerbaijan, resulting in 800.000 IDPs. There are much more but report distort the facts rather than explaining it.

[@yaxl]

Too complicated, just reunite the Soviet problem solved

[@everypitchcounts4875]

Armenia & US troops are holding military exercises. So I don't think Azerbaijan will invade right now.

[@last_aid_kit]

Aren’t they exercising on Armenia territory? I am pretty sure Azerbaijan is only interested in Nagorno-Karabakh, which is recognized worldwide as their territory

[@cemo3292]

Calm down Nobody wants to invade this tiny Little Land called armenia

[@qwertyasdfgh1014]

@@last_aid_kit Azeri also want some Armenian land..

[@stbuddha3547]

​@@last_aid_kitthe dictator of azerbaijan has repeatedly claimed armenia as an ancient azeri territory. Which is odd since azerbaijan never existed in the history of mankind before the year 1918. The dictators claims are a warning sign that as soon as azerbaijan ethnically cleanses all indigenous Armenians from their lands aliyev the dictator will come after armenia next.

[@user-yl5ro9mb4l]

thats why there are armenians in azerbaijan but no azeris in armenia I wonder what happened@@stbuddha3547

[@christianlibertarian5488]

I understand that both sides want a section of land, but I've gotta ask, why? From what I know, it is fairly barren, with only 100k people and no big natural resource bonanza. It would seem to be easier to just negotiate a customs union. But, noooo.

[@Inkan1969]

It's the historic home of many Armenians.

[@aydnabdullal6528]

America, France and Greece are the historical homes of Armenians, but they do not want to establish a country there. Because these lands are the lands of America, France, Greece, just like Karabakh is the land of Azerbaijan.@@Inkan1969

[@kerdart351]

Azeris massacred Armenians in 1989, and refused to give independance to Karabagh despite the fact that the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia in 1988, legally. Azeris started to make pogroms (massacres) against armenians as soon as 1989 (then massacres against Azeris followed during the subsequent war...). Armenia and inhabitant of Karabagh never recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as an Azeri land (since 1990 and pogroms against armenians btw, same period where azerbaidjan got its independance), and indeed it never was (it's populated by a majority of armenians for thousands of years). The ones destroying armenian heritage and ancient buildings are turks and azeris, not the opposite, especially in Nakhchivan, but there is no armenian remaining in Nakhchivan. On February 20, 1988, the enclave's parliament voted in favor of uniting with Armenia. The demand to unify with Armenia, which began anew in 1988, began in a relatively peaceful manner. Azerbaidjan didn't even exist in 1988 lmao

[@blastdamage]

My theory is Azerbaijan is using this area to manufacture consent for the invasion of Armenia proper.

[@is-haqal-sabiriy2528]

This a very lopsided narratives. Starting with NK is essentially and legally part of Azerbaijan. And the fact that lachin border was agreed upon at 2020 peace treaty with access of Nakchavan. I never belived my elders who claimed west has selected amnesia but this is insult to our intelligence. I remember peace treaty when repoted by many international press.

[@GustavSvard]

If Europe took actual interest in this I'm sure pressure and incentives could be brought to bear on all parties fairly quickly. * EU/UN troops monitoring the borders * promise both sides investments in, say, sewage & power infrastructure? * Infrastructure investments to tie both countries exclaves to their mother countries - and to eachother! How about a new standard gauge railway going from Turkey to Yerevan to Baku, with the line going through Nagorno-Karabakh, and with a branching through the Azeri exclave that would also connect with the Iran railways? Turkey & Iran use the same rail gauge & the same electrification. I'm sure there'd be some nice freight operations soon enough - freight that has to pay fees for using the rail. A nice income flow is always welcome.

[@sevenoxia7199]

Yeah this is all (sadly) a pipe dream at best. Azerbaijan has essentially used propaganda to wire its population to absolutely hate the Armenians, and Armenians have (to some extent) done the same with Azeri's. Interestingly enough, this is evident in the Eurovision Song Contest, where the Azeri government "interviewed" people asking them why they voted for Armenia in the contest. Ultimately these 2 countries do not like each other and as much as it'd be amazing to see such rail connections between the countries to provide peace, it just doesn't look likely in the near or far future. Also it's a no go going through Nagorno-Karabakh since Azerbaijan is kind of preventing the residents of the area from getting food... it's not a good situation at all.

[@GustavSvard]

@@sevenoxia7199 All good points, sadly. It is indeed a pipe dream. The leaderships in both countries have a lot invested in keeping the conflict going (though the Armenian side obviously don't want a war at all since they wouldn't win). As for routing the proposed railway through Nagorno-Karabakh: that's part of the point! have it go through there to create a connection and have trains running non-stop between there and the main area of Armenia for visa-free travel. Same would go for non-stop trains from the Azeri exclave to the main area of Azerbaijan.

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

@@GustavSvardWhy would the EU which recognizes Nagorno-Karabakh as Azerbaijan territory be interested in allowing Armenia to engage in a continuing land grab?

[@beardedbastard7753]

@@sevenoxia7199 It's also ignores that land borders between Turkey and Armenia are closed and likely will remain closed until Turkey accept responsibility for the ottoman empires actions in the Armenian genocide. Not to mention the logistics of a train through Nagorno-Karabakh are crazy it's mostly mountains no sensible plan of infrastructure would make this part of a plan. A train from Yerevan to Tbilisi has to go a long way around to avoid the landscape of Armenia. That's without the geopolitics you bring up. Both sides need to work on deescalation and agreement of ways to allow normal transport between the current Azeri exclave and the main part of the country without going the long way round as well as the people of Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia. We however seem very far away from that.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

The EU does take an interest. It does business with Azerbaijan.

[@fratercontenduntocculta8161]

And so it's begun. Pay close attention to these frozen conflict areas, I'm convinced that this region is about to see heavy fighting with no Russian "Peacekeepers" to divide the battling countries. I pray this will not spill over into another world war.

[@G0rdonFr33man]

Russia started this very conflict and supported their puppet until it no longer benefited them to do so.

[@amc3463]

I pray for peace ☮️ no war

[@samanthahydeker7914]

didn't pray enough

[@TheAlish23]

This administrative region is called Karabakh, for almost 3 years. It was called Nagorno Karabakh before the war, it's a Soviet name.

[@naapsuvaimne740]

most people know that region as karabakh

[@garoarabian3017]

I know the region as Artsakh. Artsakh is a province of Armenia

[@FresEST]

The West should support Christian Armenia…

[@salamov963]

Thats racism fashistic move

[@hasinabegum1038]

The west doesn’t care about religion nor does Azerbaijanis

[@nenenindonu]

Ewww Christian fundamentalism 🤢 take your ISIS-like extremist views elsewhere

[@mappingshaman5280]

​@salamov963 your negative point being?

[@adambrande]

because basing military conflicts over religion has always been a great idea

[@CAMMfire]

I really hope it is not going to be this bad. War has already started, but the question is now ''how big?''.

[@p.budiel1170]

SPOILER ALERT: They did start an invasion today (19 september 2023)

[@ahmetlologlu6939]

in 1990's war , Armenians not only occupied the Karabakh but also occupied surrounding 7 region totally belongs to Azerbaijan. These 7 regions were even 2-3 times bigger than Karabakh itself. For 30 years azerbaijan insisted Armenia to give back these 7 regions but did not get any reply. Armenians claimed that not only Karabakh but these 7 regions also belongs to Armenians . in 2020's war , azerbaijan succesfully get these 7 region back. only a part of Karabakh stayed under Armenian occupation. And 2 days ago Azerbaijan finished the job and fully liberated its own land so the problem occured in 1990's war is happily over now.