Why Libya Could Split into Two Countries

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Libya has had a tough time since the Arab Spring back in 2011 with a decade-long civil war and multiple divisions. Some suggest that splitting Libya into two or even three nations might be a viable solution, but are we anywhere close to even a ceasefire?
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2 - www.aljazeera.com/program/al-...
3 - irep.ntu.ac.uk/id/eprint/3797...
4 - Vandewalle, Dirk (2006). A History of Modern Libya
5 - Vandewalle, Dirk (2006). A History of Modern Libya
6 - Vandewalle, Dirk (2006). A History of Modern Libya
7 - www.history.com/this-day-in-h...
8 - data.worldbank.org/indicator/...
9 - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...
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11 - channel16.dryadglobal.com/wil...
12 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fezzan_...
13 - dhadelli/status/1...
14 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_res...
00:00 - Introduction
00:48 - History of Libya
04:03 - First Libyan Civil War
04:40 - Second Libyan Civil War
05:37 - Failed Ceasefire & Potential Splits
07:33 - Sponsored Content

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@beast6029
@beast6029 9 ай бұрын
Crazy how Libya just 50-60 years ago was a booming nation with a higher gdp per capita than most western countries.
@liviuadrian1101
@liviuadrian1101 8 ай бұрын
​@Ric9k-mu8sj schizo posting 101
@tommyscott9085
@tommyscott9085 7 ай бұрын
​@@liviuadrian1101Explain how that was "schizo" it is a fact.
@raghadalnajjar9144
@raghadalnajjar9144 9 ай бұрын
I'm libyan and we want to unify the country not split it. Libya will never be divided, we may have different political opinions but we all love libya❤️🇱🇾🇱🇾
@TheAlchaemist
@TheAlchaemist 9 ай бұрын
Then it would be a great idea to stop killing each other. Just saying...
@espadad7256
@espadad7256 9 ай бұрын
The west wants to split the world into small portions so they can steal your wealth much easier
@ENTERTAININGVIDEOS1
@ENTERTAININGVIDEOS1 9 ай бұрын
BMA You love Libya that's why you mercilessly ki#led your leader! You reap what you sow!! Muslims are not allowed to revolt against a "muslim leader", Syria, Iraq, Libya,etc., are all the results of showing your back to Islam & going exactly what Allah has ordained not to!!!
@jrgenm.dsollie4849
@jrgenm.dsollie4849 9 ай бұрын
What are the differences between the East and West? Are there economic differences, ideological or demographical, or is it a tribalist issue?
@Libyansavior
@Libyansavior 9 ай бұрын
East Libyans don't like something called Libya Tell them that
@MaJetiGizzle
@MaJetiGizzle 9 ай бұрын
Correction, outside powers think it’s easier to split Libya up. Libyans generally understand how financially/economically impractical that would be to do.
@raghadalnajjar9144
@raghadalnajjar9144 9 ай бұрын
Yes exactly we libyans will never want our country to split🇱🇾
@Anthony-db7cs
@Anthony-db7cs 9 ай бұрын
Source?
@Hoppp4848
@Hoppp4848 9 ай бұрын
​@@Anthony-db7cshes prolly libyan
@Anthony-db7cs
@Anthony-db7cs 9 ай бұрын
@@Hoppp4848 didn’t know one person represented everyone else’s view.
@Hoppp4848
@Hoppp4848 9 ай бұрын
@@Anthony-db7cs do you live in libya?
@mardasman428
@mardasman428 9 ай бұрын
There isn't actually much of a debate inside Libya about splitting up the country. In fact, both parties want to unify the country, just under THEIR OWN rule, as the West needs the oil fields in the East and South, while the East needs the prestige, power and relevance of the capital Tripoli and surrounding metropolitan area. Sure, Libya would do well in federalizing and devolving powers inside the country, but that's all, a split is not in anyone's interests. In fact, separation is more of a threat used by both sides to pressure the other for more power.
@pechudin9086
@pechudin9086 9 ай бұрын
Ah, so a "One Libya policy" situation then.
@benknowles9633
@benknowles9633 9 ай бұрын
If only they researched it
@revenger211
@revenger211 9 ай бұрын
@@benknowles9633 they don't care about portraying what goes down on the ground level. I've followed this channel for a while and I noticed that they portray stuff the way they want it to seem rather what it actually is
@curtisthomas2670
@curtisthomas2670 9 ай бұрын
A split would benefit the west and is this the most likely outcome
@mardasman428
@mardasman428 9 ай бұрын
@@revenger211 They churn out a huge amount of material in a short amount of time, of course the average quality of that material isn't going to be that good in the end, so they will brush over stuff or just follow what some news articles are saying.
@A.Severan
@A.Severan 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for discussing my country. Though I might add that Cyrenaica being split from Tripolitania is actually a modern idea brought from Italian rule in the 20th century. Modern western Libya and eastern Libya along with Fezzan in the south were united for centuries before Italian colonialism. So no, a split doesn’t make as much historical sense as many seem to think.
@hssh7
@hssh7 9 ай бұрын
true and italy were the one who wanted the idea, we have many more states, kingdoms and empires which we built on our own. Also there will be no division. Libyan elections again are gonna happen in 2024 as hafter is finally budging. he could turn into a general instead of the leader.
@joshuafrimpong244
@joshuafrimpong244 9 ай бұрын
@@hssh7 or it could be the other way around, or he may back out. There are many possibilities
@elementallynx493
@elementallynx493 9 ай бұрын
​@@hssh7"Built on our own." They aren't the same country, and you act as if the Ottomans didn't rule over the land for so long. The region belonged to hundreds of different countries and Empires, none of which were Libya.
@A.Severan
@A.Severan 9 ай бұрын
@@elementallynx493 Ahmed Karamanli (then-ruler of autonomous Tripolitania) expanded the border around the early 1700s to include what later became Fezzan and Cyrenaica. Tripolitania was independent from the Ottomans from 1711 to 1835. Yes, built on our own.
@hectorsalasdelacolina9758
@hectorsalasdelacolina9758 9 ай бұрын
😊
@geektome4781
@geektome4781 9 ай бұрын
I found it odd that Benghazi was described as being in the “North” and not the East.
@hughjass1044
@hughjass1044 9 ай бұрын
I don't know for certain but I'm pretty sure that Cyrenaica is pronounced "seer-a-NAY-ca" and not "cy-REN-cia."
@daco3557
@daco3557 9 ай бұрын
That’s correct. They totally screwed up the pronunciation
@cuber5003
@cuber5003 9 ай бұрын
I cringed so hard when he said that. That's how bad it was
@hughjass1044
@hughjass1044 9 ай бұрын
They do that constantly. I like TLDR and I want to support them but honestly, they need to take this a little more seriously, put in a little effort and strive to be better if they want to be taken seriously.@@daco3557
@AmirSatt
@AmirSatt 9 ай бұрын
It is pronounced Kirenaika
@adrianokury
@adrianokury 9 ай бұрын
The video was going well and then this unjustified incorrect pronunciation popped, probably taken from nowhere. Ouch.
@mm-ve7lf
@mm-ve7lf 9 ай бұрын
hi I'm a Chadian citizen who was Born and live his whole life in Libya and I saw firsthand the effect of the Libyan civil wars and its aftermath and with all due respect to the TLDR team from editors to researchers but I have to respectively disagree although yes for all practical reasons Libya is basically two countries but nobody in the political establishment from the west or the east seen to have an actual real will to divide Libya into two entities politically completely independent from each other, it doesn't matter if either of them genuinely believe in Libyan unity or simply and let's be honest simply trying to achieve their own personal interest. Nobody is benefiting from Libyan division not the political establishment and obviously needless to say not people of Libya
@rohankishibe8259
@rohankishibe8259 9 ай бұрын
I see you're living up to your country's name!!! What a Chad!! Respect my guy, from Tunisia ❤️🥰
@Ivan-NZ
@Ivan-NZ 9 ай бұрын
I salute you. I want to ask you, as someone who lived his whole life in Libya: Is it true that during Gaddafi's time education was free, as well as that the state paid for your stay at foreign faculties, and even more importantly, is it true that that the electricity was not paid for, and that you were provided with free houses immediately after marriage or finishing school? In my country, there is a common belief that all of the above is true. I would like you to answer honestly and objectively, so that you know exactly how things are. All the best.
@mm-ve7lf
@mm-ve7lf 9 ай бұрын
@@Ivan-NZ Yes it's 100% true, I fact most of this service still free to this day although the quality had fallen immensely depends on where are you in Libya special in case of the electricity
@rohankishibe8259
@rohankishibe8259 9 ай бұрын
@@Ivan-NZ I Tunisian and I know it's true! Many of my friends went to Libya at that time for work or marriage, or buisness, everything in Libya was cheap, so people, especially from the south near Libya used to buy a lot of stuff for cheap and sell it here for a great margin, mark-up, my father did it once for laughs since he already has a job, it was the best moment in my childhood because I got so many chocolate and candy and toys, I was the class most popular because I brought so many delicious stuff every day for 2 weeks
@gothicgolem2947
@gothicgolem2947 9 ай бұрын
A question what are your thoughts on Gadaffi?
@simsufian
@simsufian 9 ай бұрын
We’re not splitting. Despite out problems we see each other as brothers
@WildXstElementZ
@WildXstElementZ 9 ай бұрын
Do you not wish for it to develop.
@Solid_Snake88
@Solid_Snake88 9 ай бұрын
I hope u do not split but eastern side is controlled by Russia
@SP-rt4ig
@SP-rt4ig 9 ай бұрын
@@Solid_Snake88 The Eastern faction is also backed by France, interestingly. Strange, given that Russia and France are competing against each other in West Africa (like in Niger).
@LancesArmorStriking
@LancesArmorStriking 9 ай бұрын
​@@SP-rt4ig France doesn't want an Islamist government, which is why they support Haftar. The other side supports Tripoli because 'Russia bad' basically The entire purpose of bombing Libya was to uproot the last Soviet-aligned governments in North Africa.
@greg_mca
@greg_mca 9 ай бұрын
That has got to be the most cursed pronunciation of Cyrenaica I've ever heard
@greg_mca
@greg_mca 9 ай бұрын
It's more like Sy-rè-nay-ika btw
@ashkembimber
@ashkembimber 9 ай бұрын
It really got me like:💀💀💀
@rafaela.cardenas-heredia9127
@rafaela.cardenas-heredia9127 9 ай бұрын
I read this comment before watching the video, and thought: "it can't be that bad". Then I got to the part when he pronounces it. It is that bad. Cursed af.
@mrgarland5210
@mrgarland5210 9 ай бұрын
Don't forget about Tripolitania 😂
@vladd896
@vladd896 9 ай бұрын
I mean, with that pronunciation it's more like the land of sirens, "Sirensia"
@jmantime
@jmantime 9 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention that NATO members France and Greece support Haftar’s LNA government ( + Russia, Saudi Arabia and UAE ) V.S. The U.S, Turkey, Italy and Britain ( + Qatar, Pakistan and Iran ) supporting the Tripoli government with weapons, drones and naval vessels. This is the current Libyan Proxy War 2014 - Present.
@erikthomsen4768
@erikthomsen4768 9 ай бұрын
I should expected to find you here
@pierrecurie
@pierrecurie 9 ай бұрын
France + Russia vs USA + Iran is one of the stranger alliances I've seen.
@holdenennis
@holdenennis 9 ай бұрын
randomize teams
@khamuleasterling1454
@khamuleasterling1454 9 ай бұрын
You forget to mention that while the western powers supported the Tripoli government from the start, France supported the military government!
@clementl.9566
@clementl.9566 9 ай бұрын
France has its own agenda. It usually doesn't follow other western powers that are American puppets. Like France, other countries support Haftar, mainly Russia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates.
@joshuafrimpong244
@joshuafrimpong244 9 ай бұрын
that, my friend, is what france does
@leometz7287
@leometz7287 9 ай бұрын
Because both governments said they'd stop the refugee boots for money
@jeddgangman4502
@jeddgangman4502 9 ай бұрын
Why was that the case
@joshuafrimpong244
@joshuafrimpong244 9 ай бұрын
@@jeddgangman4502 because its france, and they have a thing for supporting dictators as long as they back france
@Bobbytheship33
@Bobbytheship33 9 ай бұрын
I dont think libya would split, both populations of the east and the west want a united libya, elections wont happen soon but a united banking system was a good start and a united military is in the current talks. Its a very slow path but i hope the best for libya and libyans like me
@user-cz1pk8ru2j
@user-cz1pk8ru2j 9 ай бұрын
Gold standard dinar.
@AmirSatt
@AmirSatt 9 ай бұрын
Other african and Middle eastern countries: nope
@asharahmad1068
@asharahmad1068 9 ай бұрын
​@@AmirSattand now they are suffering and Europe was ruling over Africa
@Miminyte500
@Miminyte500 9 ай бұрын
Could you clarify the halving of the GDP per capita mentioned at 3:18? From the graph shown Libya's GDP per capita most definitely did not halve from 1992 to 2002.
@0xCAFEF00D
@0xCAFEF00D 9 ай бұрын
That graph is weird. Being lazy and just taking the graph Google gives me: Lybia gdp/capita: 1992: 7622$ 2002: 3789$ So just at a glance it seems accurate.
@mardasman428
@mardasman428 9 ай бұрын
GDP per capita is not a real measure of economic output or living standards, it is especially problematic for energy-exporting countries, whose GDP rises and falls depending on commodity prices. After the economic crisis, most industries didn't need a lot of oil and gas, so oil and gas prices fell during that time, which meant a huge fall in GDP for Libya. But after the end of the crisis, it reversed that trend again.
@ThoriberoCaroli
@ThoriberoCaroli 9 ай бұрын
When the entire economy is dependent on oil exports it is not really that unreasonable.
@AmirSatt
@AmirSatt 9 ай бұрын
@@mardasman428 GDP per capita is the only reasoneble way to measure to wealth of a country. There might be problems if you don't consider inequality, but there are no better ways
@mardasman428
@mardasman428 9 ай бұрын
@@AmirSatt Yes, exactly, it is the best tool to statistically rank and compare economies in NUMBERS, but that doesn't necessarily mean that these numbers are always a good measure of economic activity or the strength of an economy overall. In the end it's still a flawed way to categorize it and it's dangerous to take it at face value without understanding its shortcomings.
@Egg.335
@Egg.335 9 ай бұрын
As a tunisian I approve that western libyans are closer to maghrebis than they might think
@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273
@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273 9 ай бұрын
Remove you liberal perspective out of the discussion No Libyan person wants the split
@EM-tx3ly
@EM-tx3ly 9 ай бұрын
I smell Tunisian takeover Joking ya Khoiya
@raghadalnajjar9144
@raghadalnajjar9144 9 ай бұрын
I love Tunisia🇱🇾❤️🇹🇳
@1wun1
@1wun1 9 ай бұрын
​@@EM-tx3ly Tunisia tryna get bigger
@Threezi04
@Threezi04 9 ай бұрын
True, Tripolitania and Tunisia have been under the same governments for most of history even, don't get any ideas though 😜
@melonking9752
@melonking9752 9 ай бұрын
Libya was the last Ottoman Land in the North Africa and it was occupied by Italy. Ottomans lost the war because there was also an ongoing Balkan Wars. Then Italy joined the Axis in WWII and lost Libya to Britian and France.
@dominant2576
@dominant2576 9 ай бұрын
We know, what's your point?
@tonyhart2744
@tonyhart2744 9 ай бұрын
@@dominant2576 he is turks thats why
@zkf5448
@zkf5448 9 ай бұрын
The Balkan wars happened because the ottomans couldn’t defend Libya so they saw its weakness and attacked
@huskyplays3610
@huskyplays3610 9 ай бұрын
@@dominant2576 most likely to explain a bit more for the people who don't know the history of Libya since the explanation from TLDR News is just of what happened in the years around Libya becoming independent.
@melonking9752
@melonking9752 9 ай бұрын
I was just trying to expand modern day Libya's history
@captainufo4587
@captainufo4587 9 ай бұрын
Cyrenaica to Cyrenzia is a feat of mispronunciation that deserves an award.
@marcjulianzuther6660
@marcjulianzuther6660 9 ай бұрын
The Graph shown at 3:25 does in no way support the claim, that the GDP per capita halved between 1992 and 2002. The "population density" map at 6:25, showing only one colour, doesn't really help to understand the actual population density. Why was the orange region in the bottom left not explained?
@yahiaouifedi6263
@yahiaouifedi6263 9 ай бұрын
As a Tunisian, Libya spliting in two is a big NO Maghreb states and the arab world will surely act, and any attempt of splitting won't be recognized, ever since the split of Sudan, the Arab commonwealth isn't the same. therefore the idea to split libya will never occur. One of them have to die or one gotta control everything, nothing will be split, you take all, or lose all. Thank you
@qrsx66
@qrsx66 9 ай бұрын
"One of them have to die or one gotta control everything, nothing will be split, you take all, or lose all." The mentality that plague the Middle East, that prepares conflict after conflict, persecution after persecution, endless cycle of revenge and massacres. You can complain about NATO and the CIA !! Please develop this idea : can it be unity when there are winners and losers, tyrants and slaves, opressors and persecuted ?
@posticusmaximus1739
@posticusmaximus1739 9 ай бұрын
Merge into a unified arab magreb superpower
@Badranltd
@Badranltd 8 ай бұрын
I don't wonder how Tunisia was low key the most successful Arab Spring experience unlike the sh&$ that went down in my country (Syria) ..... I think that's because most of you are real real educated and wise people ... shout out to my fellow Tunisians 🇸🇾❤️🇹🇳 And peace for Lybia and all the Arab World 🇱🇾❤🙏
@malekaltayari3936
@malekaltayari3936 8 ай бұрын
​@@Badranltd ان شاء الله يعود الشام شامخا لا مناص من التحسن تحياتي من تونس 🇹🇳🌹🇸🇾
@MoezPS3
@MoezPS3 6 ай бұрын
Inshallah we split peacefully
@gavv5911
@gavv5911 9 ай бұрын
Can't wait to hear about this in the Editorial!
@thijstermeulen5536
@thijstermeulen5536 9 ай бұрын
At 4:17, you state that NATO decided to intervene. While NATO indeed intervened, it was under a UN mandate (1970 and 1973). Framing it as a purely NATO endeavor is a misleading narrative. While the NATO lead coalition made many mistakes, it was sanctioned by the UNSC, meaning even Russia and China were not opposed to this intervention.
@user-op8fg3ny3j
@user-op8fg3ny3j 9 ай бұрын
And since when we're Russia and China the bastons of freedom?
@sueyourself5413
@sueyourself5413 9 ай бұрын
Not being opposed to something is not the same as joining it. It's just another disgusting example of the practices of Americania rules the waves.
@filipe5722
@filipe5722 9 ай бұрын
UN mandate is how the members of UNSC provide diplomatic cloth to their geopolitical interests. China and Russia don't oppose one NATO move, and in exchange NATO UNSC members don't oppose another China or Russia move. So in the end, it's not really that misleading.
@intermaria
@intermaria 9 ай бұрын
Sweden, Qatar, Jordan and the UAE also joined militarily so it wasn't exclusively NATO
@juanbautista3764
@juanbautista3764 9 ай бұрын
True, but NATO abused that mandate, since 1973 resolution was based on the R2P, so with no threat for the civil population NATO didn't have the right to intervene, and that was achieved some days after the riots thanks to the meetins that the African Union held with gaddafi. Even if the civil population was still under threat, NATO had the right to intervene in order to just protect them, but not to provoque a change of regime. They should have done like when the first gulf war took place, which was a justified intervention since It was based on protecting the soverignty of other state and they didnt provoque a regime change.
@vitoanania6042
@vitoanania6042 9 ай бұрын
Can you please make a video on the Ustica plane accident, in which France allegedly shot down a commercial airliner to assassinate Gaddafi. Recently the former Italian prime minister Amato mentioned this asking for the matter being finally clarified.
@ILoveFishMilk
@ILoveFishMilk 9 ай бұрын
as a Libyan this video is poorly researched. there is no sentiment of spliting up the country between the general populas, at most youd find people disagreeing with whether tripoli should remain capital or not. also we wouldnt have been in this mess were it not for nato pushing for its interests in libya.
@nabeelaboufayed5735
@nabeelaboufayed5735 9 ай бұрын
Says Regan, the mad dog of the West ..😂
@AmirSatt
@AmirSatt 9 ай бұрын
Mad dog recognizes other mad dogs
@nietzscheankant6984
@nietzscheankant6984 9 ай бұрын
Everyone except (mostly American) Conservatives hate the old asshole Reagan.
@jaywee6430
@jaywee6430 9 ай бұрын
​@@AmirSattLibya isn't even middle eastern
@nabeelaboufayed5735
@nabeelaboufayed5735 9 ай бұрын
@@AmirSatt 😅😅😅😅
@maherhamadouch2005
@maherhamadouch2005 9 ай бұрын
Not going to mention the fact that Gaddafi did a lot of good for his people
@_jpg
@_jpg 9 ай бұрын
They did mention it, aren't you paying attention? ^^'
@maherhamadouch2005
@maherhamadouch2005 9 ай бұрын
@@_jpg where? I didn't hear it at all
@_jpg
@_jpg 9 ай бұрын
@@maherhamadouch2005 Beginning around 2:20
@maherhamadouch2005
@maherhamadouch2005 9 ай бұрын
​@@_jpgthat was about 5 seconds
@lordInquisitor
@lordInquisitor 9 ай бұрын
​@@maherhamadouch2005do you want them to dedicate 40 mins on everything gidafi did or focus on the video topic
@hssh7
@hssh7 9 ай бұрын
For 6:18 we was only split but we fought for our independence, libya was always one country whether you like it or not, the name libya comes from "libu" and there were kingdoms and states in libu
@TRUTHANDCONSEQUENCESWILLNEVER
@TRUTHANDCONSEQUENCESWILLNEVER 9 ай бұрын
"We did it Patrick we saved Libya!" (Over 10 years later):
@criminalfailures2977
@criminalfailures2977 9 ай бұрын
The last 1/4 of a video being skipped must kill viewer retention
@georgios_5342
@georgios_5342 9 ай бұрын
Nice analysis! Sorry for pointing it out, but you butchered the name Cyrenaica 😅 It's supposed to be like Si-re-nay-ka. The name is ancient Greek, Κυρηναϊκή, and it was a confederation of Greek cities until it was conquered by the Romans and later the Arabs
@emirayub6418
@emirayub6418 9 ай бұрын
As a Moroccan 🇲🇦 I support a united libya 🇱🇾 & a united maghreb region similar to U.K or Scandinavia
@posticusmaximus1739
@posticusmaximus1739 9 ай бұрын
It would be a superpower
@19932603A
@19932603A 9 ай бұрын
Unironically, Libya, like Iraq, would have been much more stable if the West didn't yeet their leaders (Gaddafi and Hussein). Imagine, yeeting an autocrat and not expecting the state to fall into despair.
@Solo-vh9fm
@Solo-vh9fm 9 ай бұрын
I don’t agree, a war was already underway in Libya without NATO involvement. The only difference if NATO wasn’t involved is that Gadaffis regime may have still been in control of a large part of the country like Syria. I believe Iraq would have ended up the same way
@matthewmiller6568
@matthewmiller6568 9 ай бұрын
Ehhh I mean there was a civil war already going on and if no intervention occurred it would just be another Syria. Plus Gaddafi was literally a pedo
@serebii666
@serebii666 9 ай бұрын
Iraq under Saddam was no stable place. Saddam had already become overtly hostile again after reneging on the international oversight commissions set up after the Gulf War in 1998. The US and UK were already from then on engaged in conflict with Saddam in enforcing the mandated northern and southern Iraqi no-fly zones, to keep him from bombing his Kurdish and Shia populations. From then on everyone expected him to ramp up the chemical weapons production like he had and used in Iran and on his Kurds in the past, especially since he was building up his forced in the Republican Guard. And don't forget he tried to have George H. W. Bush assassinated during a visit to Kuwait in 1993. Saddam's Iraq was no good for the international community, let alone the local region, after numerous wars with his neighbors. The main problem was after removing him, America tried to set up a Western style government and individualistic consensus democracy, but without the necessary local cultural underpinning that is necessary for it (and can only develop over time and autochthonously), similarly to the failure in Afghanistan. At the very least today, Iraq is no longer vying to invade Kuwait or Iran again.
@darksg1295
@darksg1295 9 ай бұрын
Both countries would have ended up like Syria without western involvement. You forget about the Arab spring. And Qadaffi would have lost with or without NATO involvement.
@ratelslangen
@ratelslangen 9 ай бұрын
@@Solo-vh9fm Bullshit. The war was instigated precisely by NATO and it was involved right from the start.
@tahaymvids1631
@tahaymvids1631 9 ай бұрын
As a maghrebi, really sad to see this :(, I wish Libya had political stability.
@phoneblaster
@phoneblaster 9 ай бұрын
...but they have clearly shown that they do not have the mastery to self govern. Just look how Gaddafi was killed and these so called muslims shouting AllhoAkbar and killing an innocent man . Has anyone killed the man who got Gaddafis golden gun . No . Some will say oh he was a dictator . Is the west not a dictator. Fools are easy to fool .
@ratelslangen
@ratelslangen 9 ай бұрын
Western capitalists wont allow stable challangers to their rule.
@twirlyturd4364
@twirlyturd4364 9 ай бұрын
Thank NATO for your freedom are u not satisfied ?
@StormShadowHarris
@StormShadowHarris 9 ай бұрын
@@twirlyturd4364 You do not sing the national anthem and charge at the guns just because NATO paid you too. Well, maybe you would, shill. You do seem susceptible to propaganda. But a country in revolt? Get real.
@posticusmaximus1739
@posticusmaximus1739 9 ай бұрын
Unify into Maghrebia, it would be a superpower
@alwaysorange4425
@alwaysorange4425 9 ай бұрын
Whenever someone is like hey we’re offering a lifetime membership for as long as we exist it never looks good.
@philliplamoureux9489
@philliplamoureux9489 9 ай бұрын
Good! You did show the divisions in Antiquity, which reflect the very long political separations between these regions going back to the Roman times.
@audreydupuy2628
@audreydupuy2628 9 ай бұрын
Great vidéo!
@geoffhoutman1557
@geoffhoutman1557 9 ай бұрын
Having the capital in Sirte might help a lot (see Canada, Australia etc). There’s also a great story about when the Greeks and the Carthaginians (?) were running Cyrenaica and Tripolitania respectively and couldn’t agree where the border should be. Check out the Philani brothers (sp). Great story. Mussolini also put a grand arch about 20 k from the old border. Gone now...
@adrianzanoli
@adrianzanoli 9 ай бұрын
Sirte was/is a pro Gaddafi city... Would be a very controversial choice to most libyans.
@cuber5003
@cuber5003 9 ай бұрын
​@@adrianzanolinot to mention near his birthplace, neither side would want to risk his son gaining more popularity from them
@everettduncan7543
@everettduncan7543 9 ай бұрын
​@@cuber5003in a fully democratic system it would be totally fine. Washington DC is dominated by Democrats, and was chosen as a linkage between the North and South when it was built.
@adrianzanoli
@adrianzanoli 9 ай бұрын
@@everettduncan7543 but Libya is not a democratic country... It isn't even a country at the moment, it's more like solving the american civil war by randomly declaring Dallas the new capital of the federation and hoping one of the two sides give up their goal.
@cuber5003
@cuber5003 9 ай бұрын
@@everettduncan7543 Washington DC isn't associated with a controversial leader, especially one like Gaddafi who traumatized many Libyans in the first civil war not too Long ago.
@SarastistheSerpent
@SarastistheSerpent 9 ай бұрын
The mispronunciation of Cyrenaica was hilarious 😂
@orktv4673
@orktv4673 9 ай бұрын
You must mean Sairencia.
@GiulioImparato
@GiulioImparato 9 ай бұрын
3:11 France tried too but was so good they shot an Italian Civilian plane full of people instead.
@humusir1113
@humusir1113 9 ай бұрын
Just got Nebula with your link, hope it helps
@Quantum-1157
@Quantum-1157 9 ай бұрын
As a British person you are saying splitting Libya makes sense??! How atrocious! Maybe the UK should be dissolved and 3 independent countries not controlled by London should emerge - that makes sense because before the English invasions and conquests we had Scotland, Wales and Ireland who absolutely loved the English!
@sheck
@sheck 9 ай бұрын
They’re really biased, always spewing westerner propaganda. Gaddafi was awful, but, everything that went wrong in Libya was/is because of the west, from colonization, puppet regimes, attempted assassinations, disarming Libya by illegally invading Iraq, fueling the civil war and arming terror groups. These guys call themselves impartial journalists but all they are is imperialist hacks. How is he quoting Reagan and making it seem like Blair(the war criminal)’s visit was the economic highlight of Libya for the past century?
@Juan-qu4oj
@Juan-qu4oj 9 ай бұрын
Rule Britannia
@Quantum-1157
@Quantum-1157 9 ай бұрын
@@Juan-qu4oj take a look at who is PM of brittania today 😝😂🤣🤣🤣
@qrsx66
@qrsx66 9 ай бұрын
Just a note that it might not be the best lense to understand or analyze a situation, to only translating it to a situation you know.
@missm10
@missm10 9 ай бұрын
6:51 nice glitch
@Savings_and_Grift_Plan
@Savings_and_Grift_Plan 9 ай бұрын
Theres an editing mistake at 6:50 where the lower half of the screen goes black
@prism560
@prism560 9 ай бұрын
aye! i see the influence in the split of the roman empire can still can be seen like that.
@supersosta7827
@supersosta7827 9 ай бұрын
As Libyan... I can confirm none of GNU, GNS, HoR or HCS wanna divide this country, I've lived here all my life and the people always want a united one country, even if the idea of Separation was pushed from outside, it's not True, the 2014 revolution or Civil war, coup call it what you want wasn't a separate move, as Cyrenaican fr Benghazi i Call for United State of Libya and no more discussions about Separation because if we wanted it, we would have got it a years ago.
@ashey68
@ashey68 9 ай бұрын
Is poverty big there
@V3locities
@V3locities 9 ай бұрын
​@@ashey68We have many issues but poverty have never been one, we have a higher gdp per capita and HDI than north africa and ukraine
@supersosta7827
@supersosta7827 9 ай бұрын
@@ashey68 you gor your answer honey ^^
@ashey68
@ashey68 9 ай бұрын
@@supersosta7827 is he right?
@supersosta7827
@supersosta7827 9 ай бұрын
@@ashey68 yeah he is right... We have many problems regarding basically everything but it was never poverty or hunger
@mrhand3350
@mrhand3350 9 ай бұрын
Libya become another Korean peninsula
@hssh7
@hssh7 9 ай бұрын
lol, no, there will be no proper division. Libyan elections again are gonna happen in 2024 as hafter is finally budging. he could turn into a general instead of the leader.
@GrammarNaziAUS
@GrammarNaziAUS 9 ай бұрын
​@@hssh7Lol, no. Libya just turn into another division of Italy, as it always meant to be.
@Abdri
@Abdri 9 ай бұрын
​​@GrammarNaziAUS had a good chuckle on that one, keep going
@krushnaji4940
@krushnaji4940 9 ай бұрын
​@@hssh7oh my sweet summer child
@Lords1997
@Lords1997 9 ай бұрын
That would be interesting
@DagothUr
@DagothUr 9 ай бұрын
This episode was nice
@amerycarlson1326
@amerycarlson1326 9 ай бұрын
Well, if it does happen, I would say it is because it is part of a supremely obvious pattern of partitioning which includes South Africa, Somalia, Zaire, Yugoslavia, Sudan, India, Korea, and so on. Did everyone miss the now deceased husband of the infamous Valerie Plame getting mixed up with a particular figure in Sudan who bases his investment decisions on foreknowledge of that particular partitioning playing out? Apparently so.
@StormShadowHarris
@StormShadowHarris 9 ай бұрын
A figure in Sudan basing his investment decisions on a pre-existing and popular independence movement achieving their stated goal? Wow, what a Nostradamus...
@griegomas
@griegomas 9 ай бұрын
I dont know much about the topic, but I see a lot of passionate people (i'm guessing Libyans) calling out what seem to be inaccuracies in the video. Kudos to the fact checkers - I will be looking for other sources of info on the subject.
@qrsx66
@qrsx66 9 ай бұрын
But keep in mind that even from a Lybian, there's no absolute truth about unity, independence or historical view. They are ideologies, sometimes, it just feels great to defend a grand idea of "unity." But you could sense some divisions even under Muhammar Khaddafi's iron rule, to today on the ground situation. Or some will defend "unity" but only agree if it's their vision/camp that is at the helm. "Unity" for person A might be different from "unity" for person B and those two persons might participate in the split while just hearing them talk you would think they're together.
@neverburstx4638
@neverburstx4638 9 ай бұрын
W map update, finally dropping an update 🤯
@user-he8ws1wy6r
@user-he8ws1wy6r 9 ай бұрын
That sounds excellent!
@madmanwithmasck
@madmanwithmasck 9 ай бұрын
TBF seeing how they're doing, being split into two might be the best thing for them, since they're already are.
@JonsFrapeProductions
@JonsFrapeProductions 9 ай бұрын
One more for the totally unbiased channel
@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 9 ай бұрын
Why do people assume democracy and prosperity go together? Some of the poorest nations are democracies.
@random-username5
@random-username5 9 ай бұрын
The video glitched at 6:50
@m0s3b_
@m0s3b_ 9 ай бұрын
لن ننقسم نحن دولة اتحادية اشتراكية واحدة تحيا ليبيا 🇱🇾⚒
@ashey68
@ashey68 9 ай бұрын
Is poverty big there
@linaabusriwel1222
@linaabusriwel1222 6 ай бұрын
​@ashey68 not really we have lots of problems but poverty is not one if them
@gbadspcps2
@gbadspcps2 9 ай бұрын
I propose that we name the two nations Lib and Ya.
@qrsx66
@qrsx66 9 ай бұрын
The best proposition so far !
@LucaCardello
@LucaCardello 9 ай бұрын
next time please reconsider the role of Italy in Lybia as it is fundamental for both countries during the last 100 years
@marcob1729
@marcob1729 9 ай бұрын
How can you state the sanctions as halving the economy on a time span that includes showing how the lifting of sanctions increased the economy of the country?
@chadbrad8100
@chadbrad8100 9 ай бұрын
The borders would look gay
@hybridstryker233
@hybridstryker233 9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@Fummy007
@Fummy007 9 ай бұрын
Yeah I dont like it either.
@V3locities
@V3locities 9 ай бұрын
Thats what im saying ☠️
@RUTHLESSambition5
@RUTHLESSambition5 9 ай бұрын
I bet they miss gaddafi now. Look at this place. It's destroyed
@theotherohlourdespadua1131
@theotherohlourdespadua1131 9 ай бұрын
Doubtful. The dude is the reason they fell. What will you do when Gaddafi decides to shoot at protesters which he did in 2011 starting this civil war?
@Anverse-14
@Anverse-14 9 ай бұрын
Gaddafi only delays the inevitable. We saw what happened to Tito and Yugoslavia. While an autocrat is useful to unite different tribes and races under one government by force, the result is that the unity is only defined by that one person only
@kuayinal-kadir6846
@kuayinal-kadir6846 9 ай бұрын
@@Anverse-14difference being this isn’t really and ethnic conflict and is mostly a political power grab issue.
@aopmemer2817
@aopmemer2817 9 ай бұрын
5:34 the map is wrong Ik they’re basing it of the liveau map but the west government has more land reaching sirte
@chilloutcentral2097
@chilloutcentral2097 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Sarkozy and Cameron, the biggest mess makers in history.
@AxelVengerberg
@AxelVengerberg 9 ай бұрын
it's SY-RE-NAY-CA, not whatever the hell it was you came up with. Butchering Ukrainian place names I can understand, they're difficult to pronounce, but come on now.
@rafaela.cardenas-heredia9127
@rafaela.cardenas-heredia9127 9 ай бұрын
Take it with a bit of humour, pal
@zergling2621
@zergling2621 9 ай бұрын
Take a chill pill
@rizkyadiyanto7922
@rizkyadiyanto7922 9 ай бұрын
he doesnt care about people he talked about.
@rafaela.cardenas-heredia9127
@rafaela.cardenas-heredia9127 9 ай бұрын
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 He just communicates the news. He's not supposed to care.
@rizkyadiyanto7922
@rizkyadiyanto7922 9 ай бұрын
@@rafaela.cardenas-heredia9127 at least respect the pronounciation.
@MikeGill87
@MikeGill87 9 ай бұрын
"Syrencia" - wtf? :D Please, work more on pronunciation of place names. It makes your reaserch look bad.
@TheOceanChannel2
@TheOceanChannel2 9 ай бұрын
Ya that would make the most sense for them to split
@adineatha9766
@adineatha9766 9 ай бұрын
Roman and Byzantine split 😆🤣
@beyondcalisthenics
@beyondcalisthenics 9 ай бұрын
Libya could split into two : East Libya & West Libya Zimbabwe could split into two: Mthwakazi Kingdom & Zimbabwe Nigeria could split into two: Biafra & Nigeria My conclusion: itwill take another 400 years to make Africa one country!!
@JUAN_OLIVIER
@JUAN_OLIVIER 9 ай бұрын
Africa is a large continent with very different people in it. There is not logical reason for it to be one country.
@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme
@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme 9 ай бұрын
@@JUAN_OLIVIER India exists
@adambrande
@adambrande 9 ай бұрын
​@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasmemy favorite continent, india
@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme
@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme 9 ай бұрын
@@adambrande it's not considered a continent because it's a country but deserves to be a continent just asz much as europe
@futuredoctor1966
@futuredoctor1966 9 ай бұрын
Are you crazy Africa is continent their is no one who can make it one country And we don't want one African country
@foxyboiiyt3332
@foxyboiiyt3332 9 ай бұрын
Libya is the 16th largest country in the world. Split in half even close to equally both new countries would be bigger than France. Just some context
@Myron90
@Myron90 9 ай бұрын
The world is not trying to pronounce all that
@a_random_W
@a_random_W 9 ай бұрын
Bro the world is starting to look like an unhistorical hoi4 game
@Riddlegetfamous1233
@Riddlegetfamous1233 9 ай бұрын
Libya will never split
@Fummy007
@Fummy007 9 ай бұрын
It already has.
@V3locities
@V3locities 9 ай бұрын
​@@Fummy007Split on paper but the people are still one 🇱🇾☝️
@NetMan_PL
@NetMan_PL 9 ай бұрын
6:49 technical difficulties
@jzisers
@jzisers 9 ай бұрын
This is basically resemble to Korean War or Vietnam war just between those two wars
@agentopaque3776
@agentopaque3776 9 ай бұрын
I think breaking up a few countries in Africa would solve alot of ongoing civil war. Somalia is another country which forcefully needs to be broken into 3 in order for stability to be achieved. Theres no point in having the same culture, religion and language if everyone despises each other through past tribal issues. It will take centuries for these countries to move away from Tribal governments, breaking them up is a quick solution. Doesnt matter if there are 1000 countries in africa, so long as stability is achieved. Europe had decades of wars, rebellions and border skirmishs which define its modern day borders.
@totalnike03
@totalnike03 9 ай бұрын
While were at it, lets break up the united states in northern and southern states? Lets break up spain into spain and catalonia. Lets break up the UK as well
@agentopaque3776
@agentopaque3776 9 ай бұрын
@@totalnike03 United States and Spain arent failed states in 30+ year constant civil strife and infighting bro, nobody in these countries likes each other so wtf is the point of a unified state. You would rather they stayed in constant warfare and decay for decades rather than breaking them up and letting the new countries develop themselves? Africa is a shitshow compared to Asia, Europe, and the Americas. Some drastic measures need to be taken in order for the dream of a stable and prosperous Africa to be realised.
@boslyporshy6553
@boslyporshy6553 9 ай бұрын
​@@totalnike03Who drew the lines?
@Apollorion
@Apollorion 9 ай бұрын
Not "decades", the correct word is "millenia"!
@editorrbr2107
@editorrbr2107 9 ай бұрын
@@totalnike03the US is more properly about seven culturally, religiously, and ethnically distinct regions. But the devolution of powers through federalism really has helped keep the peace Our biggest split now is the rural/urban divide.
@user-mt6xx3xg3m
@user-mt6xx3xg3m 9 ай бұрын
As a person from Libyaa lot if what he says not true
@bankruptwizard
@bankruptwizard 9 ай бұрын
i gotta ask you. Do people miss Gaddafi?, i have relatives from libya who fled in 2011. They celebrated and showed me videos and photos of 54th al fateh anniversary. They loved Gaddafi more than anything, always wanna see other opinions.
@user-mt6xx3xg3m
@user-mt6xx3xg3m 9 ай бұрын
@@bankruptwizard I am from a city called Sirte. Literally everyone in my city loves Goddafi ..Some areas of Libya are not much, but most of Libya loves him
@bankruptwizard
@bankruptwizard 9 ай бұрын
@@user-mt6xx3xg3m my relatives were from bani walid. Seeing recent news its a Gaddafi stronghold. May peace and prosperity come to you again and to libya.
@Libyansavior
@Libyansavior 9 ай бұрын
​@@bankruptwizardwe as tripoli ppl *west Libya* love Gaddafi and his policies But the east are such dumb ppl They always want their cities to become more developed than the capital Also bcuz the most of the oil comes from the east That's why they want to spilt the country Well as we know the capital always needs to be the most beautiful city in every country But They had a second side and they want their city to be the best although its a shit hole and its ppl are dumber than dumb They wanted the revolution And now they want to bring a crazy sick person called "heftar" to lead Libya Like why did you make a revolution in 2011 and now you want to bring a worse dictator than Gaddafi to lead Libya
@ashey68
@ashey68 9 ай бұрын
​@@user-mt6xx3xg3mis ls poverty big there
@wilhelmheinzerling5341
@wilhelmheinzerling5341 9 ай бұрын
Shocked, the Egyptians don't want to get their hands inthis dilemma
@frontrowviews
@frontrowviews 9 ай бұрын
Gadhafi before his autocratic era was the best thing to ever happen to Africa
@galfinsp7216
@galfinsp7216 9 ай бұрын
How so?
@yodesuyo
@yodesuyo 9 ай бұрын
He killed the indegenous amazigh people and arabised the rest
@jhonklan3794
@jhonklan3794 9 ай бұрын
Look at the graph, he saw declining GDP literallly every year under his tenure.
@timloo6191
@timloo6191 9 ай бұрын
​@@galfinsp7216Libya was filthy rich
@timloo6191
@timloo6191 9 ай бұрын
​@@yodesuyoso do the americants
@juamu1132
@juamu1132 9 ай бұрын
the power of democracy at full view
@linusfotograf
@linusfotograf 9 ай бұрын
Please explain
@juamu1132
@juamu1132 9 ай бұрын
do i need to explain the clusterfuck these people made libya to what is now? they wanted democracy they instead got ash.@@linusfotograf
@qrsx66
@qrsx66 9 ай бұрын
You must admit that Kaddhafi had a total power on this country for decades, and that the state of Lybia today is also his responsability, his legacy.
@juamu1132
@juamu1132 9 ай бұрын
the people chose to kill him and now you want qaddafi to take responsibility for this mess. i thought democracy would solve all their problems? let democracy work for them and watch as these people go back to the stone age.@@qrsx66
@marcomartinez1843
@marcomartinez1843 9 ай бұрын
You're using the wrong graph at 3:22.
@darynkatano
@darynkatano 9 ай бұрын
Colonialism moved lots of places in Africa into a corner where all available options were always going to lead to conflict. Keeping the colonial borders causes civil war, and redrawing borders to match ethnic lines causes ethnic cleansing
@Doge811
@Doge811 9 ай бұрын
They were all united under the ottoman empire for hundreds of years.....
@qrsx66
@qrsx66 9 ай бұрын
Would there be more ethnik cleansing if borders were redrawned to match ethnik lines, really ? Or it's the non redrawing of borders that call for ethnik cleansing, or at least cultural genocide ? I think it would be less, I prefer to see borders moving than people being displaced or killed, or culture and language being exterminated. We see too much of those !
@qrsx66
@qrsx66 9 ай бұрын
​@@Doge811 The Ottoman empire is just another of those colonial empires. I thought Africans didn't like them.
@atakanpayman
@atakanpayman 9 ай бұрын
@@qrsx66 The Ottomans were not a colonial power per se. Colonialism uses the "colonies" in order to enrich the ruling country. Whereas in the Ottoman Empire Libya was simply another province or territory of the Empire just like any other province. So the Ottoman rule in Africa is much different when compared with the colonial powers of the time.
@ZMB-on5ub
@ZMB-on5ub 9 ай бұрын
I just hope this doesn't start an East versus West Libyan rap feud. The last thing that country needs right now is a string of diss tracks. God help us if someone's mother gets insulted. But if someone gets served? Even God has his limits. Prayers for Libya.
@hoze1235
@hoze1235 9 ай бұрын
This is libya - lil Benghazi
@hssh7
@hssh7 9 ай бұрын
there will be no proper division. Libyan elections again are gonna happen in 2024 as hafter is finally budging. he could turn into a general instead of the leader.
@ZMB-on5ub
@ZMB-on5ub 9 ай бұрын
@@hssh7 But what if Haftar is revealed to be a mark ass buster? Surely his street cred would take a hit.
@Skyrimfan002
@Skyrimfan002 9 ай бұрын
6:16 What the... Cyrencia? Are you even trying? Come on
@idruvak
@idruvak 9 ай бұрын
Youre forgetting the underground water tunnels in the south
@jotarokujo9164
@jotarokujo9164 9 ай бұрын
Quite an irony when Gaddafi remains mourned by most of Sub-Saharan Africans, yet disliked by the Arab world (including North Africa). The division is not about Libya, it is about North vs South of Africa.
@GrammarNaziAUS
@GrammarNaziAUS 9 ай бұрын
Weirder still, when one takes into account his Arabian supremacist policies in Libya, and his Islamic beliefs, when Sub-Saharan Africa is neither Arabic, nor Islamic, outside the fucking terrorists.
@asharahmad1068
@asharahmad1068 9 ай бұрын
No he is not disliked by the north Africans. Maybe the government but not the people
@jotarokujo9164
@jotarokujo9164 9 ай бұрын
@@asharahmad1068 He insulted Saudi King and questioned other Arab governments. Meanwhile Arabs are too tribal to accept it. Saudis do not give a damn on his death.
@MaJetiGizzle
@MaJetiGizzle 9 ай бұрын
Honestly, this is one of the least well put together/most Western biased videos I’ve seen out of TL;DR. You all should really stick to European News because you clearly either don’t understand or care enough to understand the situation on the ground for most Libyans who clearly don’t see a political split of the country as being practical for extremely sensible geopolitical reasons.
@mundrakeshav22
@mundrakeshav22 9 ай бұрын
Just out of curiosity, do you think Vitol funding the Libyan rebels early in 2011 was a right move ?
@myosotis4507
@myosotis4507 9 ай бұрын
Cyrenaica is pronounced see-ran-eye-kah, as in the words see, ran and eye.
@alishermukhametkali9230
@alishermukhametkali9230 9 ай бұрын
The Qaddafi leadership was the best period in modern Libyan history
@qrsx66
@qrsx66 9 ай бұрын
If all he did and put in place was so great, how could it lead to such a situation and not persist by itself ? Or his system was rotten and it was doomed to collapse into chaos after him. If so, how great was he to not prepare for a sustainable system and society ?
@Libyansavior
@Libyansavior 9 ай бұрын
Senussi
@zackgravity7284
@zackgravity7284 9 ай бұрын
Libya was stable under gaddafi
@hybridstryker233
@hybridstryker233 9 ай бұрын
🤦‍♂️🧢🧢🧢😂😂😂😂
@YujiroHanmaaaa
@YujiroHanmaaaa 9 ай бұрын
@@hybridstryker233 It had his flaws but it was stable for decades pre 2011 before the West decided to destroy it. Libya had a better livingstandard than most european countries
@abdimalikelmi729
@abdimalikelmi729 9 ай бұрын
Italy was stable under musolini
@cuber5003
@cuber5003 9 ай бұрын
Libya was stable under Idris 😂
@MagicNash89
@MagicNash89 9 ай бұрын
Germany was stable under Hitler! Until 1945 happened🤣
@lif6737
@lif6737 9 ай бұрын
I read the title as split labia
@darkfool2000
@darkfool2000 9 ай бұрын
Libya is already two separate countries in all but name. Whether anyone recognizes it or not doesn't matter. It's like how Somaliland has been separate from Somalia since the early 1990s, but nobody recognized it. In Libya, it's even more apparent since both sides are backed by different power brokers. I think people forget that Libya was not created by the Italians, it was created by the Ottomans and before that the region around Benghazi tended to be aligned with Egypt and the region around Tripoli tended to be aligned with the Maghreb. Whether this split is recognized or not doesn't matter, as there doesn't seem to be a powerbroker willing to put enough military heft to force the two sides back together, and that's when you considered that militarily dominating Benghazi and Tripoli with naval blockade would be the easiest naval action any country with a real navy could do. No, I think countries like France or Turkey (who are the main powers interacting with Libya) are more interested in the current status quo, because it means that both sides can get oil from Libya on the cheap.
@solssun
@solssun 9 ай бұрын
The history of Libya and its current trajectory is interesting but you have to stop with these speculative, click-bait video concepts. It undermines TLDRs credibility
@dominickskinner407
@dominickskinner407 9 ай бұрын
-He is still liked by the Arab world. -NATO didn't 'decide' to intervene, they followed a UN mandate. -That was not a halved GDP. I'm sure commenters will/have pointed out the rest of the inaccuracies, while you covered the topic itself well, your background before the story was just inaccurate. Love you guys, but the research on this needed more.
@suleyman8696
@suleyman8696 9 ай бұрын
He was seen as a crazy guy in the Arab world
@dominickskinner407
@dominickskinner407 9 ай бұрын
@@suleyman8696 I hear it from my Arab friends all the time, like anytime the conversation of colonialism or progress in northern Africa comes up. I spend quite some time in Turkey, where I also hear praise for the guy. Post-Gaddafi, hatred certainly rose incredibly, praise did not stop, however.
@asharahmad1068
@asharahmad1068 9 ай бұрын
​@@suleyman8696it was his craziness that made Libya 4rth richest and prosperous country with better living standards than most European countries from a shithole. It was his craziness that would have crushed us dollar and euro with the gold dinar which would have benefitted entire Africa and also middle east
@mojungle3054
@mojungle3054 9 ай бұрын
Not that my opinion matters, but why don't they do a Belarus/Russia style of union? United cooperation due to long cultural ties, but independent to suit local differences
@saudiarabiathelandoftwomos4221
@saudiarabiathelandoftwomos4221 8 ай бұрын
Libya should be kept that way but the country was too corrupt. But we might try to keep Libya united.
@USB740
@USB740 9 ай бұрын
That was the plan all along. To fragment the country. All the former colonial powers, UK, France, Italy (including US now for many decades) has used it as a modus operandi to split countries into factions and weaken them, that way they remove them as threats to their hegemony. Gaddafi as the central authority was a threat with his economical ambitions, influencing the rest of Africa to overthrow the post-colonial grip that Europe still had on the continent.
@benjamin-mh3fw
@benjamin-mh3fw 9 ай бұрын
What are you smoking bruh?
@user-cz1pk8ru2j
@user-cz1pk8ru2j 9 ай бұрын
@@benjamin-mh3fwdo your research
@timloo6191
@timloo6191 9 ай бұрын
Yes
@rizkyadiyanto7922
@rizkyadiyanto7922 9 ай бұрын
​@@benjamin-mh3fwwake up.
@hssh7
@hssh7 9 ай бұрын
Exactly, finally someone said it. libya will forever be 1, united, also there will be no proper division. Libyan elections again are gonna happen in 2024 as hafter is finally budging. he could turn into a general instead of the leader.
@stivenstivens
@stivenstivens 9 ай бұрын
Great movie.
@Aboda._03
@Aboda._03 8 ай бұрын
As a Libyan this is so wrong on so many levels..
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