Is B&M Falling Off?

[@BrendanCorwin1030]

I don't work for B&M but i do work in a Cedar Fair/six flags park somewhere in the chain, We have 4 becoming 5 coasters made by them, one area you did not mention is their service/repairs department. Depending on the ride model they will use 60% of the same parts across the 4 coasters i service, I'm going to guess the family and dive coasters are different because they use a different track gauge, but a significant part of that 60% are parts that need to be replaced every few months, which means parks are constantly ordering parts, I want to say we have ordered hundreds of wheel carrier bearings alone. Each coaster they build is an investment that earns them money for as long as the coaster is operating, I expect with having so many of the same parts they make a lot selling the same parts to all these parks. In fact i bet they make almost as much money building new coasters as they are servicing trains and making spare parts based on the invoices i see.

[@theunknown0887]

Sf Great America bro

[@Haze_Productions_II]

That's actually smart not only from a business perspective but from an engineering one as well. Not only can they fabricate fewer parts, they can still charge parks lots of money for parts even though they found a way to make fabrication of new parts much less expensive and more more rides across the world.

[@BrendanCorwin1030]

@@theunknown0887 I can’t confirm or deny it, but that’s a solid guess

[@dojavillager5998]

people have been saying scream at six flags magic mountain had this horrible rattle for years & i still am not sure what they mean because that ride always felt pretty smooth to me.

[@OmegaChrisRBX]

Only people that actually care about the B&M rattles are some nit-picky enthusiasts who would always complain if it isn’t a work of art. As an enthusiasts myself, I still always have a place in my heart for B&M and I still think they hold up among the top.

[@David51295]

I have never had a rattle on the B&M’s I road all of them are smooth and even if it had a rattle I’m sure it wont be that noticeable with their speed

[@AirtimeAxolotl]

I'm tired of people complaining about rapterra, like seriously no one rode it yet

[@danmucciarelli5916]

when the rattle gives you a head pounding headache, then yea I'm going to complain. Banshee and Gatekeeper were actually painful.

[@coastersaga]

@@danmucciarelli5916 Get lost. I rode both of them, and I didn't feel a thing.

[@KingsDominionfan50]

They’re still doing very well. Only people who really care about rattles and stuff are enthusiasts since they love to nitpick. I have been trying to say Rapterras roughness won’t be as bad as everyone’s making it out to be but I get called a “glazer” because I named myself a fan of the park Rapterras at. It’s annoying but honestly I can’t help that the roller coaster community is filled with very entitled people.

[@AirtimeAxolotl]

I don't understand why so many people are saying Rapterra is gonna have a rattle, like seriously no one has even rode it yet

[@Posirep]

Sure it has entitled people but you look at Dorney or SeaWorld....parks that have new B&Ms that run wayyyyyy worse than their 30 year old B&Ms. Both Iron Menace and Penguin Trek are currently the roughest coaster in their parks and thats simply unacceptable for rides that aren't even a year old against 30 year old rides from the same manufacturer. I can almost guarantee you'll get off Rapterra next year wondering how that is the same company that built Dominator...and Dominator wad relocated on top of it

[@Parkitecture]

You could retitle this to “Is B&M the new Arrow?”

[@iliketrains3546]

No they’re not going anywhere lol

[@CarolinaCycloneJames]

​@iliketrains3546 they might. Arrow was the best coaster manufacturer for almost 3 decades. They fell off because they rides stayed rough in the computer era of coasters. Parks aren't going to spend B&M level money if their latest B&M is rough and has a rattle. They would instead go to Intamin or Mack especially since those products offer way better layouts and elements than what B&M can do for less money at that.

[@HayFatYT]

Arrow was rough mostly because of track, not anything else.

[@iliketrains3546]

@@HayFatYT it wasn’t even that, it was the transitions between elements which caused the roughness, not really the track itself

[@oneandonlysound99]

The lack of new innovation is definitely there. I mean, I'm all for them making a long trekking family coaster like the one at Seaworld Orlando, but are we really going to give them credit for mini B&M inverts/suspended coasters? Vekoma has been doing the latter for a long time now, and better. Or a reinvention of a bad 90's fad "surf=stand up new" coaster? However Arrow actually was trying with X2 and got screwed by Six Flags bs. Tennessee Tornado was practically an experiment yet showed they could grow and X2's not nearly as big but still crazy could've been reinvented/rethought and had way better reliability. What is B&M doing, finding ways to make fine coaster models worse? That makes no sense. If they were trying to overcome with cheaper offerings it's backfiring to the very competitor who can outdo them in smoothness and reliability these days, Vekoma of all companies. P.S. Not saying other's can't, hope RMC continues to try new stuff, conversions/customs I-box and single rails need more than a wild mouse type to continue thriving.

[@koasterlover1045]

With the rattle it’s just insane how prevalent it is on penguin trek and phoenix rising. I will say though it doesn’t impact ride experience or comfort, it doesn’t hurt or anything. It’s just noticeable which is weird for B&M. Again tho it doesn’t really matter much more than that, it’s bizarre.

[@aidancarroll2546]

construction (and imperfections that come with cheap or inexperienced contractors) is the biggest reason for the rattles. Every support and footer is adjustable and can be misaligned by the height each support sits on the footer mount treads (Iron Menace). Also B&M has actually made narrower trains as of late (Mako and Fury have a skinnier wheel assembly width than Nitro and Goliath, etc.) Love this video tho

[@typicaluser4116]

Thank you, it isn't even B&M's or Clermount Steel's fault but simply the 3rd party's, who are simply making minor adjustments that end up playing a bigger role then what they might think.

[@aidancarroll2546]

@@typicaluser4116 Like they didn't go from being 30 years ahead of their time for 30 years to bargain bucket overnight... But Cedar fair sure did

[@user-qz2ld3vt2d]

Do we have any evidence of this or is this just a “believe me”

[@Bnizzofashizzo]

The only one that is falling off are the so-called enthusiasts they like to complain about everything.

[@KevinLogsdonMusic]

For real. Modern coaster enthusiasts have zero tolerance for any roughness. Like, do these people ride coasters to feel... comfortable? 20 years ago, roughness on a coaster was the norm. They managed to kill off traditional wooden coasters, which are my favorite. There's very few left, and enthusiasts complain and claim they need to be "RMCed" which, to me takes away the charm and uniqueness of wooden coasters, so it defeats the purpose. They also think everything is boring that isn't the new ground breaking/record breaking thing. Straight foward classic style coasters won't be around much longer because of their attitude. Anyway, rant over lol.

[@Mythical_Arena]

Completely agree. Though I prefer other companies, i still think b&m is good

[@MrHotshot-ez2dc]

I am a modern enthusiast and looooove roughness. Viper at Darien Lake is perfect because it's from the 80s and NEEDS the roughness to be FUN. These dudes gotta stop complaining about roughness. RMC should build their own coasters and only 'fix' wooden rides that nobody likes anymore (I'm looking at you InvadR) Also companies should be allowed to make both family and thrill coasters that people actually want, not Facebook users yapping about how coasters are too scary or dangerous.

[@grandjohn]

​@@KevinLogsdonMusicHonestly though. People said Anaconda was one of the roughest coasters out there, but it barely even bothered me. People are so sensitive.

[@noedgedddddd]

1:14 LOOOOOWWWW TAPER FAAAAAAAAADEE

[@tdcamp03]

Beat me

[@Jcjc-lr4bf]

Iron Menace is supposed to be shake-y it’s a 100 year old machine. Dorney did such a great job with theming in every way literally!

[@overbanked]

The majority of the B&M complaints (roughness) aren't from their older coasters, it's the new ones. Coasters like Iron Menace, Phoenix Rising, Mandrill Mayhem etc One exception is the pretty recent Pipeline, which is very smooth

[@iliketrains3546]

Nemesis reborn and mandrill mayhem are both very smooth coasters so I’m not really sure why people complain about those

[@XCrimsonDoesStuff]

No. B&M is a rollercoaster manufacturer.

[@CCA_]

Idk about B&M rattles, the newest one I’ve ridden is Orion a park were people say all the B&Ms have a rattle. I’ve been there many times with people who don’t know who B&M is and I’ve never heard them complain about a rattle. I that enthusiast once they’ve heard a rattle exist need to go and pay attention for it. Rattle is there but you need really pay attention to it, something that most people will not do. Simply enjoy the ride and no rattle will matter, unless you feel it afterwards.

[@Posirep]

I think the rattles at King's Island are overblown. Diamondback is my favorite coaster there and people say it rattles but I didn't notice it. Thought Orion rattled more than its really. The only bad rattle was one ride on Banshee but all my other rides were fine.

[@michaeledwards1664]

Hardly anyone notices this "rattle" until some picky enthusiast tells them there is one. Try rallying any gravity group coaster.

[@Posirep]

@michaeledwards1664 Oh I know. Mine Blower is in my bottom 3 coasters. Roar-O-Saurus is very violent as well.

[@brockpiano]

Maybe it's day dependent - I went to KI in August and Orion really felt bad. I rode it twice over two days and both days I got a headache just from riding. Diamondback was noticably better somehow

[@michaeledwards1664]

@Posirep Mine Blower is a travesty.. Incredible layout with the poorest track and execution. That steep overbanked turn should be the best element but slows the ride to a crawl on the last half when you're just going through the motions. Of course, B&Ms never have pacing issues that are half as significant. Even when compared with newer steel coasters, they have the least downtime. The most fundamental measure of a working coaster is the percentage of aspiring riders who get to experience them. B&M still remains the best in this regard, rattle or not. Every other time I'm in line for an Intamin, something malfunctions, leading to significant downtime. I'd rather have a minor rattle and be able to ride the ride instead of one with a "temporary delay" every day it operates.

[@IMWBMEGJCC]

8:46 pretty much every manufacturer’s trains shake but people pick at b&m for some reason

[@rossh688]

Penguin Trek and Phoenix Rising are AWFUL!

[@AmateurThoosie]

I think it’s because b&m’s coasters used to be perfectly glass smooth, so when the rattle came along, everyone was shocked at the drop in quality, which is why they were beraded

[@user-qz2ld3vt2d]

Its because b&m used to be smooth… if rmc made an i box coaster with a shake it would be called out.

[@collinparsons3363]

I think the real measure of B&M's quality, is the fact that just two of their coasters have been completely scrapped up to this point. And both of those were removed to make way for something else, not due to maintenance issues, safety issues, or some kind of accident.

[@Coaster-Madness]

Nemesis Reborn has a noticeable rattle on the final turn, but it doesn't really impact the ride experience, it's more of an annoying noise

[@Rickmarine1]

Somthing to keep in mind when talking about B&M coasters is that even a B&M with a BAD rattle is still smoother than 90% of all roller coasters. I’ve been on scream at Magic Mountain and despite the noticeable rattle it’s no where near what I would consider to be a “rough” ride.

[@sirfunkydangle7804]

I think it's parts made from imported steel that has a lesser quality and therefore can't be manipulated to fit the tolerances needed for the smooth ride. And I'm talking more about trains than track. All of the moving parts and pieces plus the connection points in between each car that makes the train articulate around the turns and loops. If we would use good old Pittsburgh steel, the coasters might cost more but it's gonna be butter smooth and last 100 years!!

[@typicaluser4116]

You are somewhat correct, it is the 3rd party manufactures who are changing things that B&M can not control, and by control, this does not include the Clermount Steel as they have not changed a thing.

[@vibeking888]

@@typicaluser4116I wonder how much of the steel is made using HYBRIT, electric arc furnaces, and hydrogen direct reduction. If so, then the EU Green Deal is why they are falling off!

[@GeForce_Productions]

I feel like B&M are the Apple of the coaster industry, likes to perfect models before producing and even if expensive, more reliable and crowd pleasing.

[@Cheezbat]

It’s B&M. There’s NO excuse for this rattle. They need to get it fixed. I’d much rather ride a 25-30 year old B&M over a brand new one and that’s really sad.

[@iliketrains3546]

B&Ms have always been slightly imperfect. Obviously you have some glass smooth rides, but a lot of their older stuff, especially the stand ups, are apparently pretty headbangy. Nemesis inferno at Thorpe park has also got some jolty moments and that is from 2003. I think the reason people nitpick nowadays is because they overrated B&Ms smoothness or just refused to recognise that it wasn’t completely perfect. Obviously it’s much worse now but it still existed back in B&Ms prime years of the 90s and 2000s

[@NavaNoidGMD]

1:12 bro i swear i said "yk what else is massive" to myself and i was immediately disappointed in myself, up until 3 seconds later you said "yk what else is massive". Thank you from saving myself of disappointment

[@shaneh3109]

Orion is still glass smooth if you ask me

[@HayFatYT]

I think they need several strong springs holding the wheels onto the track tighter, so that if there is a 1mm change in track diameter, it wont show, plus of course track size varies ever so slightly throughout the manufacturing process, so having spring'ed wheels would tighten it to the track allow it not to shake. But that's just me.

[@typicaluser4116]

This would actually make there coasters rougher over time and make them have a shorter life span as it is creating extra forces on the track, and plus they have done this since the early 2000's as there 90's rides did not have springs, but just not to the extent you are talking about

[@HayFatYT]

@@typicaluser4116 oh..

[@1trackmindcoasters]

Your first theory is definitely the correct one as channels like Ryan the Ride Mechanic said that B&M is trying to cut costs using higher toleranced cheaper bearings instead of manufacturing their own

[@jollyronacher]

2:35 Kinda like Apple, where they don’t add a new feature to their phones until another company tries it, they see what went wrong, and then Apple releases it when they feel they’ve perfected the feature.

[@oneandonlysound99]

While I could see a bigger, if not semi-giant B&M wing coaster being a good addition given a B&M was just scrapped as well as a launch coaster for Six Flags Great Adventure. Well, if they are going to stay in this era of imperfection to where roller coasters open feeling ten years old, then by all means better go get a vekoma instead. To think of what everyone used to say about vekoma, especially when SLC's were getting put everywhere while others got B&M inverts instead. It's absolutely ridicoulous that you can ride Montu at Busch Gardens Tampa and get a way smoother ride than a family-thrill coaster in the same park. Or how Medusa at SFGADV got work done to it and feels almost brand new yet by all accounts Rapptera is not going to be as smooth as it in 2025? What?! I mean, it's not like any B&M aged ten years is murder/horrible/really rough, it's just downright ridiculous.

[@jonjon10220]

i rode phoenix rising and that had a weird rattle, but it didnt bother me. I think people just complain too much

[@TheKnexMaker]

b&m and Mack Rides are my 2 favourite manufactures, but thats because im from uk and we have not gotten any new intermin's in years.

[@Ace-x4h]

B&M is the Apple of the amusement industry.

[@samlikesrollercoasters]

Me personally, on the newer B&Ms that I’ve been lucky enough to ride, the rattle doesn’t bother me that much; I feel it, but it doesn’t bother me. Maybe it’s a nitpick, but I can see how that may detract from someone’s experience.

[@seanmatias3842]

To me, having a comfortable experience is such an important part of a roller coaster. In terms of florida coasters, mako is the only b&m I can ride that is comfortable and extremely smooth. Penguin treck is brand new and there's so many sections you can feel a very very noticeable rattle. This is a family coaster that doesn't go that fast either, so idk what happened there. The older b&m's have a very very noticeable rate too that's gotten worse naturally. Idk, I don't think I've ridden an invert by b&m that hasn't been shakey

[@rgmitsos5]

I agree with your comments about the comfortable experience. The b&m hyper train design is one that enthusiasts and GP can enjoy once, or many laps in a row. The hourly capacity and dummy proof loading process really makes it the only b&m in orlando that continuously motivates me to plan a trip down there.

[@seanmatias3842]

@rgmitsos5 completely agree. My fiance and I are diehard enthusiasts until it comes to a rough coaster, and b&m's are usually the culprit if im being honest. Penguin trek is the one that was so noticeable for me. Phoenix rising at Busch Gardens too. Both brand new, both pretty rough

[@ajtopia]

I really do believe that it’s a cheaper steel that’s causing the rattle. It’s interesting that older b&ms are still glassy smooth but newer ones are the ones that ride like they’re ripping themselves apart haha

[@flaneurfilms1940]

Fury 325 literally ripped itself apart.

[@typicaluser4116]

It isn't even Clearmount or B&M's fault as it is the 3rd party manufactures and the companies who build these rides in the park.

[@CatGirlSlimeGirl]

One recent "rought" BnM I dont see get talked about is Dr. Diabolical at Fiesta Texas. Every since it opened, it's had a nasty jolt on the turn around coming out if the zero-G roll and into into the mid-course. Its especially bad in the 2nd row. the rest of the ride has a minor rattle, but that one moment is just something else

[@Posirep]

Dr. D is glass smooth compared to Iron Menace. I marathoned it during RCR no problem but had to tap out after a couple rides on IM...IM is really only rideable without issues front row middle seat

[@Lucky_9705]

B&M is likely using cheaper steel on their coasters, and this rattle is the result of that

[@danielward4868]

I have never had a problem with this and found Mandrill Mayhem and Nemesis Reborn very smooth

[@Charlie-Birdie]

RCE Town: I'd say, b&m is one of the most innovative manufacturers Also RCE Town: b&m is not that innovative

[@jonny-b4954]

Likely because Walter Bolliger and Claude Mabillard aren't involved at all anymore. It's finally been long enough since their leaving that the standard corporate BS has come into full fruition. I did find it funny the idea B&M are only supporting coasters. Pshhh, like you go on to say, they invented ALL those coasters basically. There's a B&M in every major park in the world, basically. They made up what 50% of coaster parks use nowadays when it comes to profiling, smoothness, inversions, pacing/layout, maintenance, reliability and capacity etc. They defined what the new post-Arrow era would be for coasters. Those are still mainline attractions and every single one every installed has performed well for the park, to my knowledge. I don't really buy into the idea of a "supporting" cast of coasters. You simply have the best/favorite rides in a park out of the major standout attractions. Doesn't make the other stand out attractions simply supporting coasters or something. Not every coaster by definition can be world class or masterpieces. They're still innovative, just not as much as they used to be. Even back then, they were notoriously conservative. They didn't do the launch on Hulk in the late 90s because of that conservatism (Universal hired local subcontractor) and only recently started doing launches as an option because reliability finally got there. That's how they serve their customers so well. That's how you get reliability. Let's also remember that while most parks have a B&M and thus don't really need another, those coasters are beginning to age. They'll need to be replaced or retracked within the next 10-20 years. I don't recall a rattle on Penguin Trek. It shuffles a little like basically ALL coasters do in high G-sections but that's it.

[@ThrillsofColdplay]

I haven’t ridden these modern B&M’s that opened up shaky like these have

[@antonytsai6611]

i am fine with roughness the smiler doesnt bother me, nor does saw slc's and grand national are fine as well, but i did notice a rattle on the final turn of nemesis reborn if thats how bad it is idm but if its hair raiser levels of rattle then I'd be worried (hair raiser is still my 5th favourite though)

[@jaybamafan-tasymale7505]

I live in Orlando and visit Sea World often, yet to experience rattlesnakes or pot holes on Penguin Trek. Kracken, yes, a slight rattle in the back, nothing terrible. I think people are looking for these issues so badly, they get jumpy

[@thisisjustanchannel]

Yeah, I've done nemesis inferno and mandrill mayhem to know that b and m is getting pretty "rough" now

[@thisisjustanchannel]

However, as from stats, b and m is still VERY reliable as whenever I go to Chessington mandrill mayhem is ALWAYS up, intact I've never seen it down.

[@iliketrains3546]

Inferno was built in 2003…

[@Froggy_Mapping]

@iliketrains3546Yeah, exactly. Inferno is smooth and MM is rough. You can tell the difference (at least, that's my understanding of it)

[@thisisjustanchannel]

@iliketrains3546 fr

[@iliketrains3546]

@@Froggy_Mapping No, I have ridden both and MM is far smoother

[@AirtimeAxolotl]

The newest B&M ive been on is penguin trek and its rough especially for a new family coaster

[@ThousanWhite]

No. The reputation has simply been overstated from the beginning. A lot of their coasters were rough and uncomfortable decades ago, which is why a lot of them have been moved and converted into new designs. I think it’s a classic case of cherry-picking as some of their SPECIFIC models are usually smooth like their sitdowns and hyper coasters. However their inverts, stand ups, floorless, and dive coasters have always been a little rattly, aggressive, and sprinkled with a few potholes. I would argue that it’s because of their wide diversity of coasters that it’s easy to falsely pick and choose.

[@EastCoasters]

Great video, thanks for the love dude 🤌🏽🥃

[@SpiderWaffle]

I wish an insider could give us more insight. I was thinking it might be mostly the construction companies doing bad jobs, I'm not sure if B&M has much say in that, or the buyer's usually sort that out on their end. At any rate, almost every B&M in the last couple years is much rougher than a new coaster ever should be, they need to change something quick, this sucks!

[@clubstep8244]

All the B&Ms in Europe are perfectly bearably attractions. Not rough in any painful manner, especially compared to some truly rough rides

[@matthewgarcia9502]

I honestly wouldn’t have minded a super smooth & fun little family coaster by b&m but after riding pheonix rising at busch gardens i was SUPER disappointed it felt like a dollar general train installed on a steel track. I’m pretty sure the rattle is coming at least in part from that cheap looking plastic at the top of the ride that hides the track.

[@mythicgamingmk1105]

B&M had a couple bad rattles on new coasters but that’s life you win and lose and B&M makes coasters like the newer hyper as smooth as it gets like Candymonium or Mako

[@crashcoaster3852]

I'd say the turning point for this recent roughness trend started with Dr. D. Anything built before it is pretty much fine.

[@coastercookieYT]

Honestly B&M roughness really depends for me. I get regular headaches and it takes specific things to irritate them. So sometimes a rattle is worse than rough for me. For example banshee Goliath (Sfog) and D-back don’t hurt. But Orion and silver bullet hurt my head so much I can only ride them 2-3 times without taking a break

[@Project_Storm1999]

Same with me something about the rattle triggers the headaches I can ride a rough coaster all day with no issues

[@AirtimeAxolotl]

I marathon orion all the time and I never thought it was rough or had a rattle

[@salvisworld813]

Well this is true for a coaster like phoenix rising which ive heard has a bit of a rattle on some of the terms and even heard that mamba a coaster at the same park thats been there for over 20 years is smoother than phoenix rising.

[@typicaluser4116]

Phoenix Rising and Mamba can't even be compared as they are built by different manufactures. Phoenix Rising was very smooth, however the rattle is mostly vibrations, of the train rather then felt. I also think it is not even B&M's or Clermount Steels fault but rather a 3rd party who builds B&M's chassies for there trains.

[@salvisworld813]

Sry my bad i got it confused i meant to say montu i had gotten them switched up

[@typicaluser4116]

@salvisworld813 Montu is just as smooth if not smoother, and so is kumba and sheiKra.

[@Heatherofscots]

Montu is very smooth. Yes, PR has a rattle in spots. Penguins Trek also has a rattle in spots but Mako is still smooth. It may not be a huge problem now but I wonder how these new B&M's will age. I thought Pipeline was pretty smooth when it opened but it has already developed a rattle as well.

[@joshfreund6008]

But they cost 30% more than 15 years ago so its a wash But they probably cost 50% to manufacture so maybe not

[@Puffa_]

Ive never noticed any roughness on a b&m except for the last row on oziris once (and it wasnt anything massive)

[@Posirep]

Oziris is also old B&M. All of them had a tiny rattle here and there. The complaint now is with how new B&M has made it their entire personality

[@jabłko-jakub]

Now B&M are building more family coasters, i feel the track, or the spine at least looks way too large to the point it looks strange in my opinion. I hooe they come up with something smaller soon

[@Bk187O]

that's exactly what I thought. Why not make a smaller track size? It looks so funny being that large with tight turns and small hills.

[@one2many1030]

Theories suggest that the price of steel and precious metals have significantly been more expensive since the pandemic - the car industry faces this too and that's why newer cars are getting more and more expensive, among other reasons - and so word has it that B&M's metal suppliers are different now with a different quality than their past models so that they can still offer products that are not too astronomically priced in today's market. And other theories suggest the rattle, even on absolutely brand new coasters, is due to the wheel assembly and the materials used to make their wheels.

[@evan9902]

I will say I’ve noticed the rattles getting worse. I rode Iron Menace last summer and it’s shaky. Nothing unbearable but it’s definitely more shaky than your average B&M. Especially comparing it to another dive like Valravn (which I also rode this past summer) and that was butter smooth (and it’s 8 years older). To be clear though I still thought Iron Menace was a very fun ride and It’s not a big deal at all, the shake doesn’t ruin the rides or anything but it is noticeable. Although I will say, I also rode Orion this past summer which people say has a shake and I thought it was butter smooth.

[@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois]

Coaster Thoosies never shut up with their complaints

[@swiftbifo17]

It’s ok if it’s rough.

[@crveech]

Some B&M coasters have gotten a little rougher with age but not too bad. Howerver, Diamondback at King's Island has gotten too rough to enjoy. You can hear a loud rattle every time a train goes down the first drop. And don't get me started on Banshee. I did ride Iron Menace last summer. If you ride on the edge and towards the back, the rattle is very bad.

[@LTCoasters]

I love B&M coasters! Their gimmicks are fun. As far as the rattle, I usually don't care. If you have ever been on Magnum or Corkscrew, that is painful, and I still take a lap on them. I think the thoosie whine is way worse than rattle on Iron Menace.

[@ColdCheesesteak1]

Iron menace is so shaky I can’t ride it more then twice

[@AirtimeAxolotl]

Same with penguin trek

[@typicaluser4116]

@@AirtimeAxolotl I don't know what you got on Penguin Trek but Penguin Trek was smoother then Iron Menace by far but simply the contractor who screwed up on this one as they grinded the track to much after the 2nd launch.

[@Casas-Brawl.]

They talk about the rattel of b&m (that is not that noticable) but no one talks about the Mack rides rattel for example hyperia and voltron

[@rickjohnson9673]

7:48 iron menace banshee diamondback and Orion have a bad rattle. I’ve felt it on nitro before but last time I did it in November it was smooth so idk what the problem is

[@MRLShmungus]

less innovative: surf coaster, flying coaster, floorless.

[@themeparklunatic1996]

I absolutely hate how the industry is going with rides that are short and fast Magic Mountains west coast racers didn’t feel like a complete ride to me and it ranks the bottom of my list

[@adariusreese6615]

We can have nothing😂😅

[@Brandon-qd2lb]

How bad is it gonna get with raptera?

[@KingsDominionfan50]

Not bad at all

[@haunter_1845]

It's not B&M that's falling off, it's all the thoozies that think their 10k hours in planet coaster makes them smarter than an industry.

[@mikeroberts3230]

But is quality over quantity be great at one or two things?

[@chuck4714]

Yes

[@maxhagenauer24]

Unfortunately, yes Mainly for 2 reason B&M is falling off. Their rides aren't as smooth as they use to be and not as intense as they use to be.

[@coastersaga]

I've ridden Mako @ SeaWorld, and my dad says it's glassy smooth. Behemoth at Canada's Wonderland has a rattle simply because it's now 17 years old.

[@maxhagenauer24]

@coastersaga Mako is glass smooth but its not that old of a ride, but many modern B&Ms like Banshee and Iron Menace and Phoenix Rising raddles when like all the old ones, or most of them are the ones that are glass smooth. People may say Behemoth is rough but they also say Diamondback is rough when it was glass smooth from my experience.

[@coastersaga]

@@maxhagenauer24 Same with mine. I only bring up Behemoth because it's at my home park, and I have also ridden enough rides from specific manufacturers to know what roughness is.

[@maxhagenauer24]

@coastersaga Yes well then you would know a lot of the old rides are actually really smooth and the brand new ones are rough already.

[@coastersaga]

@@maxhagenauer24 You're just nitpicking. If B&Ms were truly rough, people wouldn't ride them

[@gojewla]

I think there has been an over saturation of b&m’s and if they had been a little more selective with their clients they would perhaps be more in demand. When they keep building similar (I.e. generic) rides, the excitement about them goes down (candymonium, Orion, etc. Al.). They are a great manufacturer for sure, but I think coaster enthusiasts are quick to turn against manufacturers and whine about little problems that don’t matter. A couple years ago, people were making videos disparaging intamin, which is totally ridiculous. What’s next, RMC?

[@MrHotshot-ez2dc]

Loooww taper faaade

[@rossh688]

I don't mind most of their coasters, other than the the older otsr's. But, the 2 new family coasters SUCK as far as vibration goes. They are like riding the grocery cart with the wobbly wheel that hits, occasionally. B&M should be ashamed.

[@shanepetyko8004]

What's really sketchy is how they are being sued by vekoma and vekOma will win you could say that's negative or whatever but it's the truth they steal design

[@shanepetyko8004]

It's public record. Maybe you should research that.

[@JerkyPuck]

I’m super tired of Dive Coasters. They are so boring after the drop and are all way too short. I like the gracefulness of B&Ms, but I miss the intensity of their older coasters.

[@gleesinnpiano2653]

B&M is simply getting outclassed by their competitors. One of the least innovative manufacturers for coasters

[@sooeeren]

B&M is overrated af (like F.L.Y) And no, i don't think they are bad.

[@leeroyjenkins7178]

F.L.Y is built by Vekoma?

[@sooeeren]

I know, but I think it is overrated lol ​@@leeroyjenkins7178

[@randalheller7460]

So iron menace does have a really bad rattle but that’s not biggest issue with it imo. I went in with no expectations and came off of it being one of my least favorite coasters I’ve ever been on. The rattle is present the whole way through but the worst parts of the ride are the inversions and the way they are profiled. It feels like an old arrow before they used computers, there is something seriously wrong with that ride and it can give some mild whiplash especially in the outer seats. The other newer b&ms have the same rattle and I can tolerate it and still enjoy myself but there’s some serious issues with iron menace