IS BIG CHIEF BUILDING A NEW CAR FOR STREET OUTLAWS?! NEW CAR VS SAME CAR!! ANOTHER CROW?!?

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[@justinshearer3016]

For the record, we filmed this before we knew anything about the scope of shawn's updates to his car. We watch his videos and we are fans!! This subject and the debate that ensued earlier that day had nothing to do with shawn. This started the same as almost every conversation we have now days. We need a new chassis, and we've been trying to figure out a creative way to do build one while racing with the chassis we have now. This fun little debate stemmed from me wanting to rebuild the car we have now, instead of building a new one. Logically there really is no difference, but its just the way i felt about it in my heart. And earlier that day, i made the comment that it would be cool to be able to run with or even possibly outrun all those "new cars" coming out with my big old gto....and thats when she called me out on my bullshit, because honestly how could i say this was the same old car if re-using the roof and quarters is the only difference between me "rebuilding" this car and the new cars being built. I can promise you with every ounce of my soul, we werent shitting on shawn in any way. We are happy as fuck for shawn and the OG, and i sent him a message telling him how absolutely awesome it is, that he gave the OG Murder Nova a new chance at owning the streets once again, and how awesome is it that the OG is still around and its a real survivor. It outlived all its rivals and when most people would lock it up in a glass case, shawn has given it the tools it needs to write another chapter in its book of total street domination for 20 years. Shawn and that car carried all of the 405 on its back to the very top of street racing in america, when we couldnt even carry ourselves... and that OG carried us all the way to hollywood. We have so much respect and love for shawn and the murdernova that we celebrate its return, we would NEVER EVER EVER shit on the murdernova getting a much deserved revival. And when he drops the trailer door on the street, we will bow just as we always have.

[@NSR7385]

I didn’t think you were looking down on Shawn and the OG….I think that it is the nature of the beast…. Update what you got, go faster, do what it takes to make it! Love seeing the CROW and the OG…can’t wait to see you all line up and run!

[@mattwalker5852]

Big Chief you are the man bro , big shout out from Troy Alabama !!!

[@michaelwynne4346]

It's crazy how some people think, that never entered my mind that you were talking about Shawn until I seen other people talking about it on here.

[@winzracingNZ]

Shot G. Sense. You make it. And your camera work is more "interesting".. 😁❤️🍄

[@jasonjusti6109]

Beautifully said Chief! I was wondering when I started watching this video where it was going and if there was finger pointing at the new improved OG Murder Nova and like that you clarified it for those that were thinkingyou were. I'm glad to see there's still some communication between you both and would as well as many others like to see you both on a KZbin video together cutting it up like the chief and Shawn podcast days! I'm a longtime follower of both of you and Shawn well before the show. Love what you all are doing with the KZbin channel and miss the behind the scenes banter. Original listener of episode #3 aka the knuckle dragging episode and listener #12!

[@troy4716]

A factory steel roof and quarters was born with a vin number... that identifies that “car”... ANY mods to that car, even a complete drive train, it’s still the same car. The history of the “vin” system validates it as fact.

[@tankeater]

A true "vin" car had the same Vin on the frame, motor and dash. So you are simply stating 1/3 of the "original" car. If I had the CROW and decided to make it a 4x4 mudder with 44s by your own definition, it's the same car???

[@greghenry1188]

The chassis can make a pass drown the strip or street with no body..... Chassis is the car

[@troy4716]

@@tankeater 👍 Absolutely. Also, the older cars don’t have the vin numbers on the chassis.

[@troy4716]

And older GM cars don’t have the vin on the engine either.

[@troy4716]

@@greghenry1188 Would it still be considered a car...?... or a rail. 🤔

[@FinnegansGarage]

hard to explain but Justin is correct.

[@FinnegansGarage]

the soul of the car can either be the chassis and drivetrain OR the body. Depending on when and how those things are changed determines whether the original car turns into a new car.

[@natec599]

Chewbacca defense! It does not make sense that you work days, weeks, months, years for a few seconds in a straight line. It does not make sense that you get paid to do it. It does not make sense that content talking about things that don’t make sense, or showing mundane tasks in pursuit of not making sense are must watch. None of it makes any sense and we all love it! The car is the least of y’all’s worries.

[@toddcallaghan5609]

Exactly

[@richardwilson3187]

Same motor and same body just an upgraded chassis =same car in my opinion

[@gregl5677]

But Jackie reasoning is it changes the performance. So with that logic switching tires can change performance is it a new car? Thats how i look at it. Not a good argument on her side. Hard to explain our side. But its the same car since its based off the original car and what you want it to be. If you just want a racecar buy one like a promod. If you want a specific car you like you buy it and have a chassis made to perform how you want. Its the same car. Cause you got it for what it is. Not to just have a racecar.

[@390fe451]

Besides respecting Chief's tuning abilities and his F it attitude, I will always root for him having a Pontiac with a Pontiac engine, VIN, and steel roof and quarters. Replace the Chassis 10x it's still the same car. The vin and steel roof and quarters has ALWAYS been what Street Outlaws is and should never change and as such, that defines wether or not it is a new car or the same car.

[@johncontrevo3330]

Agree with you on a Pontiac with a Pontiac engine. Much respect for what he does with a smaller engine with less aftermarket support than a BBC or Hemi

[@philiphubbard5771]

I agree with Jackie, pulling the sheet metal off the car and attaching it to a full new chassis is a new car. I like that they took Shawn's dash panel with VIN number and attached it to the new chassis for some sentimental value but its still a new car :) That sheet metal is just along for the ride..........

[@bubbakushingtonIII]

Big Chief explaining what makes new cars is hilarious but I fully understand and agree.

[@GSNxstinkmeter]

In his world it makes since but to others who are coming in may say different. Monza, Doc, Shane, Lutz have completely taken out the old chassis and slapped in a new one and kept their spots on the list. It's evolution and sometimes you might have to rip out the old chassis and put a new one in to compete with the times because your chassis is outdated.

[@jeremybeegle9767]

Chief is so real and straight up idk how anyone hates on him he’s the only reason I still watch SOL

[@kevinblackmon6990]

Loser

[@jeremybeegle9767]

@@kevinblackmon6990 okay boomer

[@adancastaneda5156]

I agree

[@JC-11111]

Seriously. I've liked Chief since before SO. They were doing the King of the Concrete thing and Chief rented our track and had an event. It was badass. Then, a couple of years later I hear about "Big Chief" and Street Outlaws and the first thing I thought was "oh man! I wonder if that's the big Indian dude from OK that came down here?!?" Turns out that it is him!

[@ywb6450]

Jeremy Beegle..does you throat hurt yet...get off your knees

[@lungelinecowboy]

I think you explained it really well from all angles. To me, it's an emotional answer. If I put blood sweat and tears into a car for years it doesn't matter what I do to it, that's the same car. The day that car is destroyed and I can't salvage a single piece from it, that's a new car. Exactly like you said with the old Crow....if it comes into the shop to be rebuilt it's the same car. I think Street Outlaws has crossed the line of what a streetcar truly is. I like that the Crow still has rockers etc makes it legit.

[@phillipmckeownakalucifer.6689]

Chief..... my man.... your 1st season fan here and still big fan now. I really enjoyed the mix up of your whole team as a whole . Your community. Azn, the mad scientist's. All the great pranks yall pulled on each other and so on.... lets get the fa,mily back again for a season . We ol timers loved does dayzzzzz.....

[@amyjelinek4819]

We love street outlaws. We love the cars, the motor combinations and different power adders, different bodies, and all the drivers. As long as we have all that we will continue to support Street Outlaws.

[@kennieb5606]

NOT ALL THE DRIVER U LOVED LOOK AT RAT SHAWN AND OLD MAN CHUCK

[@vanmercier3396]

I agree with chief new roof and quarters makes a “new car”.

[@operation6604]

Exactly... it's the only part thats original to one of these types of builds

[@Chromagen-Grumpy]

So in your opinion if you put a new roof and quarters on your old clapped out piece of shit race car it' makes it a new car

[@Frazier007]

the new roof and quarters of a different body type would change the aerodynamics of that chassis

[@Chromagen-Grumpy]

@@Frazier007 but doesn't make it a new car

[@deanmullins695]

A new car is ground up built car is a new car

[@bubbakushingtonIII]

Damn an hour long video on Saturday, now that's what I'm talking about. The frustration on Chief's face. Lmfao.

[@JDSMotorsports479]

I agree with chief. Look at Doc and Monza back in the day. They were pretty high on the list with back half cars and had the cars rebuilt with tube chassis. They were still the street beast and sinister split bumper. They kept their spot on the list and it was said they rebuilt their old car.

[@safetydave8770]

All I can say is that it feels really good to see another “rabbit hole” in the world. I was starting to think that the one I get taken down was the only one. Good video guys. And sorry Jackie, but you can have 4 chassis setting next to one another and put the crow’s body on any one of them and that will become The Crow. That lie of a car. But we’ll call it The Crow.

[@travismclendon8961]

Thank you for this, my wife and I had just had the same conversation. I agree with Chief and she agrees with Jackie. Lol

[@jamescrisante1673]

LMAO....Genius !!!! Watching and listening to you guys having a " conversation " is a show in its self . Please keep up the good work . I'm feeling ya dawg

[@DeusVult6527]

Nothing wrong with being loyal to your GTOs Chief. Look at the "ride" you and those two "Goats" have taken over the years together. You and your cars are icons in racing. Everybody knows who Lassie is, everybody knows the Crow. Everybody knows who John Wayne is, everybody knows Big Chief. Much respect to you for having standards and being loyal to a car that has changed your life in many ways. Blessings to yall.

[@13Muddin]

What Chief is saying makes sense for what he's doing for the street. For the people that watch their show. Murder Nova just did the same thing to the OG. A new chassis under the factory body panels and Vin.

[@martinsatchell]

I'd say it's the OG with an updated chassis, gotta update to keep up

[@jamesmineau8925]

I think most fans just support big chief and the crow,or they don't. Racing is a team effort, as a fan,I understand there is a ton of upgrades and work that has to be done to stay competitive. I Love watching street outlaws and npk.Yall are awesome!!! Upgrades and mods are part of Racing.

[@olicc]

As a fan, I would like to see Chief continue the Crow for the street including America's list and then also build a competitive car for NPK that meets the NPK requirements and is competitive with top 5. Ryan, Lizzy, Scott Taylor, Justin Swanstrom, all built new cars just for NPK and each are competitive with each other because they maximized what you can do within the rules. I know at least Ryan, Lizzy, and Swanstrom have professional teams helping them though. I'm just saying I would love to see Chief's personality added to that show and competing for a title. Plus, it sucks to hear the other NPK teams say things like the 405 is just Ryan and everyone else sucks and rides his coat tails. I know money and time are limited... but chief is one of the best tuners in the world and I think if he had a car as fast a Ryan and Justin then its a tuner race and Chief is going to win a tuner battle more often than not.

[@kennieb5606]

RYAN MARTIN COULD NOT CHANGE A TIRE ON HIS CAR HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT TUNING ALL BS ,LIKE U SAID THEY HAVE BIG PROS DOING ALL THERE BUILDING AND TUNING ..

[@TrampusWingo]

Let me ask this… Dwayne Mills, he has owned the, now tragically defunct, golden gorilla since he was in high school. Is the car that it became the same car he had in high school? Yes. But it has evolved. And that’s what makes it clear to me, the evolution of the car. It may be continuously updated, it may be completely updated all at once, but in my heart it’s still the same car, and not a new one. I hope that makes sense? Either way, I FUCKING LOVE this video. Because I don’t get to have conversations like these with my peoples. They aren’t race cars. So, thank you, for including us in this discussion, and for helping us that don’t get nearly enough race car stimulation! I need more race cars in my life…

[@edwardnulton7228]

I agree with Chief. The roof and quarters make the car and how he talked about why I completely agree with. Sorry Jackie but Chief is 💯 right lol. As a fan and someone that understands chassis and so on to me it’s just upgrading the old car. The body is the identifying feature that makes up the name of the car. It’s just a new chassis in the old car to me.

[@bendaves77]

If the Vin stays its the same car.. i wonder if this conversation was sparked by Shaun redoing the chassis on the og car

[@joecucch8261]

@@bendaves77 No it started because Chief needs to re do his chassis.

[@bendaves77]

@@joecucch8261 of course he does and that's why Shaun did it to the OG car... the OG car was definitely not safe nor can you compete with these brand new chassis and if Chief is wanting to be the baddest on the street he's going to need a new chassis

[@maanan5761]

You could feel Chawns feeling for the car when he put his hand on the speaker grille and we real fans know that you have the same feeling together for what has given you everything. Not a new car in the heart. Understand and respect you.

[@motrec100]

This comes from a simple man ... having watched everything street outlaws from front to back 3 to 4 times, on the subject of what makes it a new race car, the Vin number is the common denominator. I have heard you guys talk steel body and quarters this and that but at the end I always hear "Vin tag". So in my opinion, re-chassis the whole car, if the Vin is the same, it's the same car.

[@johncontrevo3330]

That's about as an objective measure as I've heard. Nice job getting to the facts. Agree with you

[@chevyfuson]

Anyone who knows anything about racing knows a car has to be updated to stay fast! It can be updated and still be the same car.

[@tankeater]

💯

[@epikmeroッ]

100% correct

[@jasonhira4671]

Correct💯..that’s why 405 boys upgraded chassis,lighter mean faster

[@kevinblackmon6990]

How the hell you figure that??

[@donniedarkoc1033]

I see what Chief is saying. The body is the identity of said car, and doing a chassis up date is just that. It’s upgrading the same car.

[@Bigturboguy]

so many people are yelling at their screens right now tryin to jump in on the new/old car discussion, well done! hahaha

[@kennieb5606]

SO TRUE LOL

[@matthewparker2661]

I'm a fan of the drivers across the board lol loved chief and Shawn from the start. Chuck and Jerry not so much, but would love to shake all of their hands for putting this product out for 10 years.

[@FAZTCATNICK]

Chuck acts like a little girl I hate it. He literally is a kitty kat ! Got little man syndrome!

[@jondoe4667]

The fans that are really into cars, or have built cars of their own will understand a good amount of what's going on with the cars 👍🇺🇲

[@SamNatal]

In general New car to me is completely new car. All New parts. New Motor. New chassis. New everything. Nothing used from the “old” car. Simple as that in my mind.

[@Shewmake]

The VIN number makes the car. No matter how many different chassis you put it on.

[@DriveSafeDon]

I don’t care what’s done to that car as long as it looks like the crow and big chief is driving it and number one. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@michaelrichetta638]

Glad you had this conversation it’s something I’ve been thinking for a while about the chassis and body panels ect.

[@FAQBrooks]

That’s awesome of Chief to still have respect for his friend. People that only see the shows or these videos need to realize that if you’re not friends with any of them then don’t interject your BS opinions about what they do or say!

[@kennieb5606]

MOST R NOT FRIENDS THEY ALL ARE KISSING RYAN MARTIN A.. AND THEY WANT CHIEF GONE FOR RYAN TO TAKE OVER..

[@corp4life342]

Chief gets better camera angles & ya know it Jackie!

[@troy4716]

Yeah, because Jackie is in view 😉😁👍

[@operation6604]

@@troy4716 lol

[@1975Hadji]

@@troy4716 exactly, Chief gets the good angles when he's got the camera. When Jackie has it, we get Chief! 😂

[@troy4716]

@@1975Hadji 😁👍 Yup! She’s fine as a frogs hair split four ways, no doubt 🤙

[@ywb6450]

@Mike Henderson ... nothing worth looking at...Allicia is so much easier on the eyes...get off your knees, throat hurt yet?

[@davem7722]

Shaun just remodeled the OG 😁(not a new car Jackie!)

[@troy4716]

👍Absolutely 👍 Still the same body/vin. 👍

[@hillboysracing9379]

That’s exactly what there talking about to

[@garryclark8636]

Big Chief and Jackie needs to put on a All out Couples race.And make it that it’s team couples race..

[@maxchristensen4742]

I'd watch that either in person or whatever

[@garryclark8636]

@@maxchristensen4742 I would love to see a couples race.Both would have to drive there own car and pull a chip and race who ever u pull

[@garryclark8636]

@@Oldfolks420 yes it would. I really hope that they would make a race one day like this

[@phillipmckeownakalucifer.6689]

I love the whole team , oklahoma, all yalls families the kids, the jokes, the schools of hard knocks, film your whole town and get the community some airtime too. Ill film it tor free for if need be.

[@bretttoynton1982]

I have to say this is probably the best video you guys have made. There are so many things in this video people don’t get and that’s what makes street outlaws so good. I have nothing but respect for you and that beautiful car. I love how you stand by what you say and you will race anyone anytime. Keep being you I have been a huge fan from the first time I saw you and I always will be!!!! Ps Shaun knew you weren’t shitting on him and you never will you guys are the reason we have street outlaws thank you!!!

[@allenlord3679]

2 Tuesdays this week. Damn Christmas came Early.

[@stevesmith1183]

Hell yeah glad you put out a bonus video thank you guys

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Here's my two cents (for what it's worth) Front or back half a car, it is still the same car with an "update". Replace the complete chassis it is a "refresh" of the same car. Replace everything, as it you now have two cars in your garage. You have a "new" car.

[@white24valve]

Yes!! Chief and Jackie!! Havent gotten our hoodies yet!! Hopefully tomorrow!!

[@garythompson4505]

Jackie most of the fans know and understand that if you make the kind of power and boost or spray as much nitrous as these cars do that you have to replace or rebuild certain parts every so many passes. Just like we know most of these cars are not street legal and can't be daily driven on the streets. The crow is a good example,yes it can driven but with the exhaust open it is not street legal. We just don't care because it's part of the story line just like a good movie or any other tv show. Love what all of you do please keep it coming. Justin kudos for keeping a Pontiac when so many people say you can't Pontiacs fast and reliable

[@bigfatandy494]

The OG is still the OG. Same roof and quarters and dash.

[@troy4716]

Absolutely 👍 And vin number 👍

[@MidwestStreetCarsAuto]

i wasnt referring to any particular car, many people on the street outlaws shows are building new cars and weve talked about putting a new chassis on the current car vs building an entire new car

[@bigmanley772]

Chiefs eplanation makes way more sense, build a car around a new chassis =new car build a chassis inside the original car = same car. Ps give chief the camera

[@MrVelocity111]

Completely agree u nailed it

[@charlesarnold3432]

I listened to that whole video lmao …makes sense to me if you do upgrade your old chassis it don’t make it a new car right ?

[@markp5506]

I'll make it easy for you, a "new" car is a new chassis + a different new body as the body carries the vin#

[@MidwestStreetCarsAuto]

but the vin isnt attached to the roof and quarters lol it can be welded onto anything

[@troy4716]

👍

[@markp5506]

@@MidwestStreetCarsAuto How about it's the old car with "upgrades"?

[@jreed740]

Justin’s comment about Shawn is on point! I get his point about the body of the car making the car because deep down all the wins, street hits and sentimental value all go back to the vin number on that car. Just my opinion

[@TorontoSupraMan]

Chief has always been my favourite racer and person on the show but it is killing me watching him trying to keep up with the big dogs with that little Pontiac motor. It’s time to step up and get a better engine and chassis. Got to spend money to make money!! Wish you the best of luck I am cheering for you brother!! Time to go back to #1

[@PCgonerogue820]

Thank you Jackie for doing another video

[@MidwestStreetCarsAuto]

thank you!

[@Top_Notch_Pop83]

Back in the game let's go!!

[@KushMcGee]

Hahaha im with chief on what a new car is lol u guys had me dying

[@joshuahermanson7636]

Justin is correct. Lol Being a self taught mechanic I believe I know enough that I could move there from Colorado and work at midwest and work on/install/fab anything that's needed. Lol there is so many diff ways to look at what I'd considered a new car. It's not just black and white.

[@daverichard1909]

Just think how much work could have been accomplished in the span of this video. Just saying. Love listening to you guys!

[@grahamerosewarne6656]

Well the chassis is what you start with. The rest is built around it. Fantastic content. Can see it from Both ways Chief. 💪💯💨🔥🆒✊👏👍🤟🤜🤛⚡💥. I always LMFAO at Cheif and Jackie.

[@MidwestStreetCarsAuto]

yes!

[@ninaallen7849]

Actually you start with what model car your going to build like I'm going to build a Camaro then you build chassis so really the body is what you first decide on and is what makes the car noticable and what describes the car. Yes a new chassis changes everything but with technology you have to change it often to keep up so long as it has same body it's the same car everyone knows and identifies it by. You can't build a chassis for a rx7 then put an Impala body on it and everything work properly.

[@grahamerosewarne6656]

@@ninaallen7849 I agree with you totally. You have to know what you have before you start any build. I already have the car. Thanks for your reply 🙂

[@juniorfournier]

I agree with chief,, sorry 🙏 Jackie if you put a entire new chassis at the same time it's not a new car,, but if you drop that body on a different chassis at a separate time and place then it is not a new car

[@chadpacetti2710]

Chief totally made Jackie's point when he was talking about remodeling a house

[@jeremyharper174]

he was saying that the roof and quarters is the foundation and the chasis was the remodel is the way I interpreted it but I could be wrong

[@chadpacetti2710]

@@jeremyharper174 I was thinking the frame and foundation was like the chassis and everything else was the roof and quarters was the way i took it. But who knows i can see it from both ways

[@nolansalas5045]

He was referring to a old antique house, what makes that house special isn’t the structural members, but the cosmetic members.

[@stlchucko]

I agree with Justin. It’s hard to explain, but it is what it is. And to add… There is such a thing as a fresh build on an old car. Can end up replacing 90+% of the old stuff, but it’s still the old car.

[@jtwmontecarlo]

Fixing parts replacing parts and updating cars. A new car is a complete new build from scratch. The old crow is sitting in his lot. The new crow is what he's working on now. Lots of updates have been down through out the years

[@ernestcommerford5590]

Love listening to chief his thoughts the man is more logical ! He is old school down too earth racer, builder and tuner he listens to the car and understands it ! He doesn't bullshit .he says like he feels it !!

[@johnhilaman7823]

As long as the body doesnt change it's not new, it just has upgrades. Just like breast implants ,same body just upgraded.

[@YouTube_Censors_Me]

Omg, you 2 are halairious... And that poor dude is standing there with his hands in his pockets thinking WTF did I walk into... 😂🤣😂

[@MidwestStreetCarsAuto]

he doesnt wanna say anything 😂😂😂 hes like i have to be around him all day and she writes my checks

[@YouTube_Censors_Me]

@@MidwestStreetCarsAuto the definition of being between a rock & a hard place.

[@edwardnulton7228]

This whole subject had to come up because of the OG. It’s a good subject and made for an interesting video. I’m a huge SO fan and a huge fan of Chief and I can honestly say that I wasn’t as pumped about him driving The Crowmod as I was about The Original Crow or Mr Crow. It’s both the car and the driver 🤷‍♂️

[@MidwestStreetCarsAuto]

weve been debating all summer about building a new chassis lol

[@edwardnulton7228]

@@MidwestStreetCarsAuto I just figured with the timing that is what caused the question to come up. I know that you guys aren’t talking crap about anyone especially Shawn.

[@douglasenzor48]

@@MidwestStreetCarsAuto great idea, let's build a complete new chassis for ol mr.crow..it's time!!!!!

[@jacklynbraasch]

@@edwardnulton7228 i didnt even know they were uploading a video today to be honest. this footage was from our last video and i cut it out. we had this whole talk before either of us even saw shawn's car. we have been talking to each other all summer about whats next for us and i just shared part of it on youtube 🤷🏻‍♀️ unfortunately it gets twisted into shitting on someone even tho theres plenty of people building new cars in the street outlaws franchise. i honestly don't get how anyone could take it as shitting on someone, it should be like a national award for getting a new chassis and i think its badass.

[@edwardnulton7228]

@@jacklynbraasch I knew that you weren’t talking shit about Shawn or anyone else. I didn’t know that you guys were talking about this all summer and I enjoyed the video a bunch. Sorry if my statement came off like I was meaning that you were talking crap. I knew that wasn’t it. I just thought it’s what started the topic because of not knowing how long you’ve been discussing it and that this was already recorded.

[@adamspencer3620]

You two have one hell of a strong relationship.keep up the videos Thank you

[@petepetersen2870]

Just my opinion. The body is usually gets a racer started. Absolutely the engine, drive train and chassis count, Alot. But when you grenade a couple of rods through the pan, hit a wall and bend the hell out of the chassis the soul of the car, what makes it YOUR car is the body. I understand someone being logical and feeling that the chassis is the car. Most racers aren't logical or they would be accounts or tax lawyers, not racers. Just 1.5 cents. You guys and gals ROCK!! Thank you for what you do that helps the rest of us stay motivated.

[@theparkeys2013]

Hello Justin you've come along way since you became a public icon and its great to watch you grow as a person and a racer. MY BROTHER WATCHED YALL RACE ON THE STREETS AND WAS A FAN OF THE SHOW SADLY HE WAS MURDERED BEFORE SEASON 2 AIRED BUT I KNOW HES GOT AN AMAZING VIEW FROM WHERE HE IS STAY SAFE HAVE FUN GOOD LUCK AND KNOW YOU GOT AN ANGEL AS ONE OF YOUR FANS. NOW GO TAKE BACK YOUR MF CROWN 👑 I mean the first 4 letters of Crown is CROW

[@rallysport4207]

Left 187 for this! Been waiting to hear this addressed

[@montevallomustang]

Not a coincidence

[@caterpillarslim1288]

Cheif: Why's the sky blue? Why are boobs good? How's a positrak in a plymouth work? It just does... lol yall are great I loved the bonus video!

[@gooberb6930]

Well I agree with Cheif dont care what's new or old here for car an driver can't wait start pulling. For Jackie , thanks chief talk me out of tubing an roll cage I have 73 Z28 no rust all new just want bigger cam in it . Keep up great jobs glad see yall again

[@MastaT_150]

I love chief! I was dying! I totally agree with Chief, I think it really depends on the situation and what you feel in your heart but if I had to put something in writing I feel when you start with a fresh car with a new vin and a new roof and quarters it’s a new car you and if change anything to an existing car even if it’s the entire chassis it’s still the same car. If a car retains its soul that’s what matters. Sometime that “soul” means something different to each owner.

[@hondaryderz]

it is tough to decide but I consider a body swap a new car

[@Anewkindofstore]

So Chief thinks it's still the OG Murder Nova and Jackie thinks it's a new car in short ? 🤣

[@johnnyfnhammersticks]

Yeah, and he's right

[@tankeater]

They never replaced the body to the OG... His house talk was 100!!!

[@brockness7133]

yea the og is still the og, she just got a new chassis, same motor same body. its like a person that just got a new pair of knees hips and shoulders still got the same heart and body

[@ChrisHaar]

Chief is dead on with this one.

[@danielhigley8543]

Hell, it even has the original dash with the vin plate and the original A pillars.... same car...

[@tuffram2165]

I think it's pretty obvious who's car they are actually talking about here.

[@MidwestStreetCarsAuto]

we've actually been talking about doing it to this car lol

[@tuffram2165]

@@MidwestStreetCarsAuto I understand I mean most of the 405 have made big changes to try to keep up and I guess as each 405 racer makes improvements that is just moving the time to update the crow sooner because at a certain point it's not going to be competitive as it use to be.

[@mittenstategarage9093]

@@MidwestStreetCarsAuto so would Mr. Crow be a new car or still Mr. Crow? Lmao

[@tankeater]

@@MidwestStreetCarsAuto Was thinking the same!!! Lmfao it's ok Jackie, like Chief said, it all comes down to the driver. You can say you have a new car if yuh want to 😝

[@billwilliams4394]

Chief hit it on the head ,the new OG chassis it's still a Nova so it's the OG and always will be, when you wrecked the OG Crow we all waited for you to get over the crowmod and go back to the GTO/ LeMans . Thanks for the follow up statement because it sounded like Jackie was hating on Shawn , I watch 405 because of all of y'all 405 OG's and because I remember racing at.2am in Houston when I was younger

[@gregorydzieciol2662]

I agree with chief,the body is what determines if a car is new/different ,modifications that change appearance dramatically make it a new/different car

[@bradbrabson4475]

Updating the chassis a bit at a time it's the same car. If you build a new chassis front to back it's a new car. The body panels are irrelevant. Shawn's og Nova is now a whole new car.

[@LonewolfRc]

When are we going to see the Crew mod again

[@tankeater]

Big Chief said it a while back, no one wants to race it on the street, it can't meet NoPrep rules (believe it's because the wheel base is too stretched) and the CROW is faster then the CrowMod has ever been... We'll see it after he sells it to someone lmfao

[@LonewolfRc]

@@tankeater as far as I understand he has it still the one video he said he don't sell anything

[@tankeater]

@@LonewolfRc you are correct, he does, I'm just saying nothing will be done to it until he sells it hahaha

[@LonewolfRc]

@@tankeater I'm not going to sit here and talk to you I'm blocking you you're not Big Chief and you're not Jackie goodbye

[@tankeater]

@@LonewolfRc LMFFFAAAOOO butt hurt much?

[@anthonycollins9414]

I’m that one fan that takes that one day a week to catch up on your alls videos. I don’t care if its new, old, front halved, back halved….. that car is badass and kicks ass.

[@dylanenricholeroux7163]

So glad this is coming out weekly

[@floydarnold533]

Chief and Jackie this is flip just wanted to say I hope you guys have a very very successful season and keep rotating the Earth .Flip Out.

[@dezford5408]

Great video conversation. this is what make Street Outlaws and No Prep fun , the total diversity in cars and engine combinations. I walked away from Nascar years ago when the "car of tomorrow" came out. NHRA has done the same , fuel cars are boring. ProStock is not quite as bad but getting there.

[@allyk5513]

We love you so much you give me something to listen to at work digging ditches and I love you for it

[@john-sutton-tn]

Love hearing good quality information.

[@Kevin1-76]

Bars... updated, new body/look... different car. Different Vin... new car! Just update the "old" crowmod... lol... great video, yall are awesome!

[@williamoddo3706]

Great points on all sides. That was one hell of a debate you three.

[@TheBnbonthebeach]

Dinner time must’ve been interesting after this rant. I love you guys. I love the crow, but big chief is my favorite followed by Jackie.

[@perrylankford4269]

Miss Jackie, It's the SOUL of the car.. I can't explain it, but that's the difference between a "new" and old car...

[@sgcc338]

Best KZbin channel. Thanks Jackie and Justin. I vote Justin get more camera operator time. Just saying he is good with a camera.

[@kennethkimmons7433]

It would be cool to see steel roof,quarters , rockers and A pillars,On the new cars being built. If I understand correctly, that is what chiefs car is, or what's left of it . These are the heart of any car body. Any chassis is fine just so these are wrapped around it. It would help keep what so many of us love to see.

[@brandonjilbert1580]

Super good content! New car is from the ground up. Race cars are made to be improved and updated throughout its life. Just my thoughts

[@edcarlson6871]

I loved this whole video. This was an amazing video with you guys just talking. It made my day listening to this video. Keep this and these videos up. I loved this whole video and I agree with you Jackie on some of the new car stuff. Keep up the amazing editing and amazing videos guys

[@fieldshelby]

Very well said Justin, To me it is more about the "vehicle" type (body panels) vs the chassis but then like Jackie said some fans do have their favorite "driver" and wouldn't care what the car was they are driving.

[@BBBILLY86]

The heart and soul of my big tire car is the body, even though the only original parts are the roof and quarters. In my mind Its still the original car I bought and daily drove in 1989.

[@bsingaround1005]

This is awesome. I have built my RC drag car Smudge. Then I modified it part by part. Then a year later I took my old left over parts and was able to rebuild my original drag car. But the new car built from old parts wasn’t Smudge anymore. The car has a sole… You can change all the parts you want. But the car is it’s sole. Now my RC group marked chassis so we could not change them. But that seems to have died out in the last couple years.

[@mrh3085]

Jackie: “What’s your reasoning?” Chief: “I don’t have any…” 🤣🤣🤣

[@dancurtin1960]

Chief u a good dude. It be great to see some video of you amd shawn together maybe even one more podcast I WAS LISTENER NUMBER 11 LOL greatest podcast ever

[@sowellman79]

Chief is right on the new car thing. Because the body is where the vin is.

[@ByrdsRebuilds]

The chassis is a part of the car just like any other part, sometime you have to replace old parts to make your car faster.

[@jaybrandle]

i have to agree with Jackie on this! new chassis is a new car! Ryan Marten just said it about murder nova in his video! he said “ basically it’s a new car!” Jackie 1 …Chief 0 🤣🤣

[@aicsusa]

Thanks for your thoughts. I look at it as a house, if you leave 3 walls up from the original structure, then you rebuilt the house, if there are fewer than 3 walls then it is considered a new house. Who says so? Uncle Sam and your local tax collector's office! Many times frame sections are replaced on standard everyday street cars and it is considered the same car. Again Uncle Sam says so, it still has the same vin number so it is the same car. Now Shawn has a new car, you have to OG murder nova and the new murder nova. Two different cars! Lutz has a new car, the 57 and the GP! When you are replacing parts on an old car it is not a new car it is just being rebuilt over and over but still remains the same car. BTW NASCAR and NHRA pro classes do have different motors, Nascar has Ford, Dodge, and Chevy for decades, but now also Toytota, NHRA pro stock has different motors and so do the NHRA motorcycles, the obvious are the inline 4's and V-Twin's! I have built many cars and chassis over the years, yes front halves and back halves too. If you have your old car sitting there in one piece and another car sitting next to it then it is a new car, but I think what Chief said is if you switch parts and don't have the old car anymore then it is just remodeled and not new. Cheif has his old car out back, totaled out, so this crow is a new car, even if it has some of the old crow parts on it because the old car is out back so you have two different cars. If Chief just got a new chassis and used all the parts he could off the old car including the VIN from the old car then it is the same car. The ID is what really determines what is new and old if you want the legal definition of the new and old. Do I have you confused now? LOL! I think I have myself confused! LOL! Thanks for sharing, it has been very interesting. Take care and God bless you all! David