Is Bigscreen Beyond REALLY Worth the Hype?

[@replacesoundboard]

17:18 I feel like the advantage of OLED is not the colour, but when you're in complete darkness. When I tried switching from my Vive Pro 1 (AMOLED) to the Vive Pro 2 (LCD), I instantly noticed how everything looked like a grey mist instead of actually being dark. The bump in resolution was nice, but I couldn't stand constantly having a lit monitor on my face. For many people, it doesn't seem so important though, seeing that a majority of headsets are LCD nowadays. But for me, it was important enough that I kept using the Vive Pro 1 for a very long time, until I made the switch to the Beyond (because of the bumped resolution, and also because I knew for a thing that as I grow up, I won't be capable from wearing the Vive Pro 1 weight on my head anymore).

[@cerberus0351]

You nailed it with this. I did some night flying and some super dark scene things and it’s really black. Like really really black. So black that there was a “wow” moment. But this is such a small amount of the VR I play I think it still matters less to me than the form factor.

[@SpookeyClown]

OLED really is a selling point.

[@cerberus0351]

@@SpookeyClown It'll be nice if it becomes a standard for VR lenses. It's not a deal breaker or maker by any means, because it only seems to pay off in dark scenes, but it just seems like a technology that is super readily available and should be included in tech at this price point.

[@epicjourneyman2145]

So...I've had pretty much every VR headset since the Oculus DK1 in 2013 and what I can honestly say is: if you play a lot in VR, get a Bigscreen Beyond. It's really that simple because it looks great, is super comfortable, and just works. I haven't hardly touched my Pimax Crystal since, though I will say that it's still worth having a Quest 3 for travel or showing off VR to friends. Ther's nothing to be on the fence with here, it really is that good.

[@cerberus0351]

Glad you had a good experience with it too!

[@replacesoundboard]

I actually started watching the video. 2:55 There's a 3D printed soft strap mode you could get which improves the fit of the top strap. You could wear it in halo mode so the top strap is what holds your headset on your forehead, which I read reduce pressure from the gasket on your face.

[@replacesoundboard]

Got me self some 3D printed soft strap mode. Comfort wise, this is day and night. Wow.

[@replacesoundboard]

18:43 I'm also glad the current VR market seems to have a headset nearly for everyone. There is no such thing as a one-size-fits-all

[@cerberus0351]

Such a great point. Options are important and having so many shows is that the industry is in a good place.

[@anime-girlfriend]

when i first got my bsb a few months ago i hated it because the stock strap wasn't working for me. luckily i decided to buy the new headstrap as it just released so i just had to wait a month and that fixed the comfort issue i had because i was going to do anything to make it work. i also feel like i might have to redo my face scan at some point. but i dont have an iphone so i've been delaying it. at least it doesnt bother me compared to the stock strap personally.

[@cerberus0351]

I think the stock strap is quite comfortable. The more I'm using this the happier I am with the product! It's my favorite headset at the moment, although I have been also using my Crystal Light a lot lately as well

[@replacesoundboard]

12:38 I've set the fan speed at 60%. Since I'm wearing wired IEMs, I'm hearing a low hum which was somewhat annoying at higher speed. The headset gets slightly warm, but it's nowhere near as close as the Vive Pro 2's temperature (which I also found tolerable). My eyes may get dry because of how isolated it is and the warmness, but I just have to blink more and drink water (which I can without a straw do because the headset is so small).

[@altunuz]

I'd love to hear your impression of night-time flying in DCS for an example since it can get very dark at times and maybe that could play into the OLEDs strength.

[@cerberus0351]

Honestly it’d probably be terrible. But I can explore it. The darkness is where the glare starts to become noticeable. Maybe I’ll do a night race in ACC tonight to see what’s up as well as a quick flight

[@replacesoundboard]

The major takeaway for people who are hesitating is: this is not a headset for everyone. If you're fine with a wired experience with base stations, an extremely small field of view (smaller than on the OG Vive; only 30% of the lenses is the sweet spot; beyond that, it gets blurry, and if you turn your eyes too much, you get out of the field of view entirely), want 4K micro OLED without screen-door effect or as little weight as possible, and can deal with the other negatives of the headset (some glare which I find very minimal and nearly non-existent but some cannot tolerate any form of glare at all for example), go ahead. But you won't be able to share it with anyone because the gasket will be custom fitted for your face only. People who have the same IPD as you may be able to hold the headset just to see what it looks like by removing the gasket, but that's it. If however you're more of a Quest 3 user who likes the freedom from wireless, standalone, inside out tracking, big field of view, glare free lenses, ultra affordable, this may not be a headset for you.

[@SargonDragon]

If you're getting an extremely small FOV and only 30% of the lens is the sweet spot, that's a fitment problem. Your cushion is too thick. I had that with mine. I got a thinner cushion and now the FOV is similar to my Quest 3 (like is noted in this video).

[@replacesoundboard]

@@SargonDragon My eye lashes are already touching the lenses though, don't know if I can get closer

[@SargonDragon]

@@replacesoundboard Ah. Yeah. That's where the Beyond really isn't for everyone. Some face shapes or longer eyelashes can make good fitment not feasible for this headset.

[@replacesoundboard]

@@SargonDragon Despite that, I'm still very satisfied with it. As long as my eyes remain focused mostly around the centre, the field of view is good enough for me. I just have to avoid turning my eyes too far.

[@replacesoundboard]

@@SargonDragon Ah, I just tried something crazy: I removed my face gasket and adjusted the "halo mode" from my 3D printed soft strap mode and that allowed me to use the headset without the face gasket. In doing so, I was able to approach to headset relatively close to my eyes. And when the lenses were sitting against my eyelids... Oh, wow, what a gigantic field of view. Although in doing so, my eyes were getting dry super fast because of the heat. Plus I could get hurt if I accidentally hit a wall or something. I think I'm going to try asking for a thinner face gasket. But the "halo mode" means I could potentially share the headset by just removing the gasket

[@justfeeldbyrne2791]

I'm looking for this as an upgrade to a vive so being locked in steam vr is not a issue for me.

[@cerberus0351]

I prefer it to the alternatives I’ve used in the past. I have good enough hardware that steam VR isn’t an issue and I like not having to run any middleware. This is still my go-to headset at the moment for what it’s worth. I did absolutely hate the glare last night though playing metro awakening. It was terrible. But I don’t play dark games all that often so it’s still mostly moot for me

[@justfeeldbyrne2791]

@cerberus0351 to be honest even with the glare, I'm sure it's no where near as bad as the vive lenses. I never modified my vive so I still have the original lenses, so yeah lol. Edit: I'm just saying it's an upgrade for me, not discounting a problem with the headset

[@replacesoundboard]

Which Vive are you upgrading from? Is it the OG vive?

[@justfeeldbyrne2791]

@replacesoundboard yup, the original one

[@replacesoundboard]

@@justfeeldbyrne2791 I guess it should be a clear upgrade then. The binocular effect seems similar in my opinion. The only downside comes from the lenses, because of their small size (fitted to the 1-inch panels). As long as you remain in the sweet spot and move the eyes just a bit around, it's perfectly fine. Once you start moving the eyes beyond that, you may notice colour shift (red hue when going up/down; green hue when going left right) if you are looking at the very edges, which are also too blurry to see anything. I usually avoid turning the eyes too far, because then I'm out of the lenses boundary/field of view entirely. I moved from the Vive Pro 1 into it, and even though I clearly lost some field of view (I liked the Fresnel lenses; even if it was blurry, I could still see the edges to some extent), I'm happy about my purchase.

[@AeroTechOG]

I loved this video, these honest reviews just make it amazing, you should make more review videos.

[@cerberus0351]

I only make reviews if I have a real opinion on an item. And in this case I felt I had something to say. I’m happy you enjoyed it

[@johnathonj94]

hm...bubba here, have u tried wrapping a small piece of cloth on top/front of the pad were its supposed to connect to the face? my thinking here is it may slightly adjust the point of contact to be just above the eyebrows the way u like it?...it could also slighty change ur fov? idk how but its what my dumb brain is telling me

[@cerberus0351]

Not a bad suggestion. I haven’t bothered with it. Once you get used to the feeling then you don’t notice it anymore. The headset is so lightweight that things like that don’t matter for long

[@johnathonj94]

@@cerberus0351 lol fair nuff

[@cerberus0351]

It’s a weird feeling at first but it’s super comfortable. I think the part that’s not perfect is the nice bridge. I have however seen some really interesting facial interface mods that I may give a shot to if it ever bugs me.

[@warchaser388]

Damn....nice review...so this is the one that was getting the half-mentions as you tested it out over the last couple of weeks. When you initially held it up i started questioning which of the headsets you mighve thrown in the yard after getting too disgusted, and happened to pick up the pieces to see the nuts and bolts...lol. It looks very much more comfortable just based on weight alone.

[@cerberus0351]

Hugely comfortable but with compromise

[@replacesoundboard]

Have you noticed Shiftall is selling their MeganeX Superlight to US consumers? Although it's nearly double the price for 8K micro OLED

[@cerberus0351]

This is the first I’m hearing of this headset! I’ll have to look into it. Double the price is thought to swallow but if the form factor is super lightweight then it may be worth it

[@replacesoundboard]

@@cerberus0351 Do you have an Nvidia though? Because it only works with Nvidia. That's why I went with Beyond because I have an AMD. I guess it saved me some money x)

[@replacesoundboard]

@@cerberus0351 It looks like my comment got swallowed up by KZbin for using forbidden keywords (i.e. company names). Keep in mind though that it only works with the green GPUs. I have a red GPU so I can't use it, which is why I went with the Beyond with which I'm kind of satisfied (although it's not for everyone). I guess it saved me some money x)

[@replacesoundboard]

@@cerberus0351 Also, good to know: Their previous headset (which had the same resolution as the Bigscreen Beyond) is currently only sold to Japan, and is a wireless -standalone- headset. They also both have IPD adjustment

[@SargonDragon]

@@replacesoundboard I don't believe that's true. Neither of Shiftall's two previous headsets actually shipped. And neither was a wireless standalone headset. Here's hoping the new one does ship because it does seem like a great device, and I want one if it delivers on its promises. This company has a troubled history though, so I'd temper expectations accordingly.

[@krivimara]

i got one a while back, and i ended up returning it. waiting for months to receive my order, only to notice the disappointing FOV, a face gasket that didn't fit properly, PLUS an incorrect IPD, i figured it wasn't worth the hassle to get it fixed. a big waste of my time and money.

[@cerberus0351]

That’s such a common story. They seem to be doing a lot better now. I got mine in under 5 days and things are pretty solid. The FOV is about on par with my quest after I added a thicker facial interface. I’m sure getting all those issues fixed wouldn’t have been worth it. I honestly expected to pay the restocking fee on mine, but I guess I’m one of the lucky ones.

[@steeltribe3967]

Nice vid. Love mine.

[@cerberus0351]

Seems like we are the minority!

[@AndreSmith]

Dear God!!!😢 this headset is plagued with problems concerning IPD adjustments the crazy glare and the fact that you only have a limited time to have all these things fixed before big screen charges you extra outside of their warranty. I use my quest 3 more than my big screen beyond to be honest. Big Screen told me they discord that their IPD measuring algorithm was quite off for a percentage of their buyers, so the scanning app is not at all reliable.

[@cerberus0351]

This is the common story. I heard this so much for so long that I stayed away. But apparently I’m one of the lucky ones. The glare is terrible but you start not seeing it and my ipd came in okay. That being said. I love the quest 3. It’s probably the best headset on the market at the moment. Especially for the price

[@bnolsen]

So...while you may be willing to spend 1000usd on a headset AND almost 2000usd on a computer to drive it, many/most of us are not in a position to do that.

[@cerberus0351]

100% agree. But how does that related to my options on a headset? I never bragged about money in this video. I simply gave my thoughts about a headset. And for what it’s worth I can promise you my financial situation is not a fluke. I am where I am because I’ve been willing to do things most won’t or don’t want to do 🤷‍♂️ Stick around, you may hear the story!

[@Fingerknee]

Many are though

[@uncleswell]

People who aren't in the position to afford this are also not in a position to be investing their time watching videos that don't provide any value to them. That said, there is value in this video even if you can't afford it, or if you don't plan on buying it. Maybe you're deciding which headset to get, and how much you're willing to save.. or maybe you're just interested in the tech... Maybe you're a VR game dev, trying to find out about this headset from a consumer's perspective to inform development, or whether it's worth targeting as a platform. Or maybe you're an investor in the company... Etc. Would you watch a review of a Cirrus Jet and comment how most people can't afford one?

[@cerberus0351]

@@uncleswell well said

[@NeoCreatesStuff]

So then dont watch the video? There are plenty of people that would be willing to do that, me included.