Is Borderline Multiple Personality? (BPD and OSDD)

[@Mastershvke]

I was diagnosed with BPD when I was 16 during a long term psychiatric hospitalization, I became aware of alters when I was abt 19-20 years old especially after having flashbacks of repressed trauma. I still suffer from most of the symptoms of BPD such as intense emotions, chronic emptiness, risky behavior, self harm, and definitely fear of abandonment. However I have a pretty strong grip on it now unless u are intimate with me such as my fiancé, my family members, and close friends u really won’t be able to tell unless u rly analyzing me or have the disorder yourself or have profound knowledge of the disorder. But a lot of professionals I’ve opened up to have said they think I was misdiagnosed with BPD and actually have DID which went unnoticed bc I wasn’t aware of the alters until I was 19 and even then I didn’t open up abt them until I was 26. But it’s definitely a relief to know the disorders can be co-occurring bc i was so torn for so long over why I have all the BPD symptoms but still have episodes of my personality splitting. It makes a lot of sense now to me.

[@JesusLightsYourPath]

Ya, people with BPD dont have alters so you may have both

[@JesusLightsYourPath]

May I ask how you discovered your alters? I think I have D.I.D. I'm in therapy to find out

[@Clarity0yx]

@@JesusLightsYourPathyou dont have alter you have diffrent person with same name xd

[@JesusLightsYourPath]

@@Clarity0yx What do you mean

[@Clarity0yx]

@@JesusLightsYourPath im pretty calm and good guy beliver in christ and that can easly swift to violent cryminal/sociopath and at this time im dont know who i am why im doing such a things xd diff person take a wheel but im still know my name i know thats me and im felt guilt when im back to basics

[@Diana_the_Goddess]

As a BPD person I can say that every single thing that professor said is true. I just recognize everything that tracks me whole my life

[@jessj6727]

Now I can see how a professional can accidentally misdiagnose a patient with bpd when they actually have OSDD or vice versa. Loved this lecture! ❤

[@emilianomartinez33686]

It's common to confuse both diagnoses, they are really similar and in many cases could be both. It's known that 2/3 parts of people with BPD based in trauma has also DID or OSDD in categories 1a and 1b.

[@alicjaxyz932]

What about differences in bpd and Partial DID (new in icd 11)? Can you make video about it? They seem very similar to each other (no amnesia, one "host")

[@samvaknin]

Search the comorbidities playlist.

[@OriginalAivien]

P-DID in the ICD-10 is analogous to OSDD-1 in the DSM-V (the subtypes a or b are leftovers from the DSM-IV). It's interesting how both manuals seem to almost compete with each other. Makes it all the more difficult to receive accurate diagnosis and therapy.

[@OriginalAivien]

*ICD-11 Typing error.

[@siennaskye_journey]

@@samvakninI’m looking for something on p-DID too and can’t find anything in that playlist

[@janedrew3050]

Hey Sam thanks for all the information on borderlines lately. Really appreciate it.

[@milicavukajlovic6476]

I am experiencing coercive control from my primary family as you speak. I did not know that kind of abuse had a name. Thank you Sam.

[@reflux043]

Coercive control is something specific, its a persistent act of intimate terrorism, and its a crime with up to 5 years imprisonment, so its best to do the research and figure out if it is coercive control you are experiencing, compared with other forms of abuse. There's a difference. If it is coercive control, you should report it.

[@milicavukajlovic6476]

@@reflux043 I live in Serbia, so taking any action towards imprisonment is impossible inside a country where there is no law, otherwise I would to finally get some piece of mind. Thank you for your answer.

[@mrbr0skii923]

Thank you for your well researched and presented viewpoint on the topic. Very insightful and it's great to see how the borders of our understanding are continuingly expanding.

[@bobbirutherford4344]

OUTSTANDING!!!!

[@dorenecollins833]

Thank you Professor Sam I really appreciate your insight and analysis. Sending you my very best of wishes from Pennsylvania USA.

[@gfsdagfasdjones1728]

The assertion that BPD is less manageable than DID holds true in my case, because the DID has always seemingly helped regulate my moods by switching, a reset of sorts. Before the switch it's like a volcano and then suddenly things seem semi manageable for a while. AvPD might actually be the most debilitating to regulate in my case (though there's lots of overlap in how the symptomology of both BPD/AvPD feel in the body), and DID/autopilot/the ability to switch has been an absolute blessing when out in public to manage everyday life.

[@katadam2186]

Found your comment interesting, can you expand on the ( switching) part what is happening when this occurred? Are you experiencing anger, stress issues, feel stuck, things aren’t good enough, shame? And do you know what caused this in you for example parental abuse in some way like never praised, put down, not seen, or physical.. it’s not easy to see or understand what’s happening to the person that’s experiencing this, saw it in a parental relationship and as a kid it was confusing, scary always trying to make something ok for them?

[@katadam2186]

@@gfsdagfasdjones1728 Thanks for answering and I may say I’m extremely sorry for what that evil predator did you you as a kid and the other kids. It’s something he is behind bars hopefully never to get out. I wonder how so many couldn’t see what the piece of garbage was up to or see a change in their kids behavior. I have known some people from a small town near that the same thing happened except he was a guy that was married with kids and she would babysit, hurt so many boys and girls..a monster that knew exactly what he was doing and is still free( local cops said it was to many years) so many deeply hurt people. I have a few more questions I would like to ask. I would like to put them together though out and send it to you soon as possible

[@abledadood2842]

​​@@katadam2186not the original commenter but me personally I tend to overthink and react extremely negatively to stressful situations and it stirs up a lot of negative emotions and it really does help when I can switch into someone who thinks differently than me because it helps us sort out the situation and the emotions completely. What the commenter also could've referred to is that the alter they switch into didn't experience the stressful event therefore if you switch they're not gonna have those negative emotions.

[@wyrmwood4594]

Yes but I also have no memories which helps to reinforce the shift with what little memories I do have that we share,and the reason I don’t have memories is caused they are either have been altered to hid the truth or blocked from me do to trauma

[@amberenergyhealertarot6617]

Yesssss, i have multiple sides of ny personality, i view them all as myself but they are very different from each other. and i dont feel different i just seem different. If that makes sense. when I switch, even my health issues (eyesight, hypoglycemia, etc) and my memories will change (not alter the memories i have, but like i will entirely lose certain nemories obe dat and it will be back the next: names, lyrics, exes, etc)

[@didou8105]

Thank you so much for this lecture professor Vaknin

[@Shams_Hussam99]

Thank you very much Professor Sam Vaknin 🌹🌹

[@kerrymarshall2071]

Fascinating

[@sounddesign777]

Gracias profesor.

[@bouytb]

Is "out of sight out of mind" ABSOLUTE for a bpd?

[@zosoart]

No, it's definitely not absolute for us.

[@OriginalAivien]

It also happens in ADHD.

[@sonshyne-in8yo]

Thank You Professor Vaknin 💜 ~ Peace ~&~ Blessingz from Boston Massachusetts

[@marioaflores1]

I love the laugh Professor :)

[@user-wi3yx3gy2o]

Despite many psychiatric and psychological professionals wishing to seem themselves as having all the answers and their patients being comparatively in the dark, leading to a tendency to discount a lot of what the patient sees when they reflect on their own problems and characteristics, often people with DID and OSDD actually are aware of the essential nature of the problem, even if they lack words for what they are experiencing or are unaware of the full extent of what is going on. On the contrary, many patients are told that they can't have it or else they would know they have it, while many others are told they can't have it or else they wouldn't suspect that they have this type of problem. Most disturbing are the practitioners who tend to diagnose everything as something other than DID and OSDD, or even these and BPD, simply because they are too uncomfortable with making such diagnoses, and are unwilling or unable to refer a patient to someone who can make such a diagnosis. This might not matter that much if the treatment protocol is the same, but often it is not. And this is to say nothing of the practitioners who only recognize depression and anxiety, and in extreme cases bipolar disorder and the psychosis disorders, so they treat everything as one of those disorders.

[@QuirkyQubits]

What if you are aware of a switching ? And remember everything ? Than what it makes you ?

[@samvaknin]

A borderline. Watch my video on OSDD.

[@QuirkyQubits]

@@samvaknin thank you , ill do it now...

[@JerinMathews]

​@samvaknin can you add link here?

[@chezdreadful6412]

Thankyou, it's scary!

[@daliacezar]

I don’t know about extreme situation. What about instantly mental shift and behavior reaction to an outside stimulus and triggers. Like a chameleon skin changing phenomena.

[@carlacosta752]

Olá professor 🌟 Seus ensinamentos são preciosos pra mim. Obrigada.

[@englishwithsanjuktadas]

Thank you so much, Sir!

[@MikaelRegium]

I just want it to stop.

[@JusDion]

We can't replace our memories I'm afraid 😣

[@user-wi3yx3gy2o]

I think it might be reasonable to say OSDD (type 1) (and partial DID under the ICD-11) are almost DID, and that DPDR, PTSD, PBD, and complex PTSD are almost OSDD and partial DID, but the divisions are greater as between the complex dissociative disorders (DID, partial DID, and OSDD) on the one hand, and the others on the one hand compared to the difference among the complex dissociative disorders, and compared to the differences between BPD, C-PTSD, and certainly compared to these differences between DPDR and these, the difference between PTSD and these others, and the difference between dissociative amnesia disorder and these. Subjective sense of self, subjective experience of volition, and often memory are quite separate in the complex dissociative disorders as compared to BPD for example (“I’m not sure why I did that but I know I did it as opposed to an alter because I experienced it” vs. “I don’t remember doing it or it felt like it was this alter it someone Jess doing it, or I only remember it as an observer, but with no sense of volition or memory of the emotions that went with it.”

[@markredankite]

My GF has BPD and I recognise all of here shema modes. However I recognise everything in this video aswell. How do you differentiate Switching/OSDD co-morbidity from schema modes in BPD? Is there a difference and if so, what would the definition of a schema mode/child mode be vs the definition of an alter/different selfstate?

[@samvaknin]

These are just different languages which describe the same phenomena.

[@taylormatthews3767]

i don't have anything crazy but i definitely understand this as i have experience with doing it myself. its hard to hide it.

[@educocult]

Fascinating (for those with an interest in Cults) summarisation at 15:01. Thanks Prof yet again!

[@lysep222]

Can u please do one on the new phenomenon "gang stalking,"

[@dilfuzakhaydarova2859]

Thank you so much Dear Professor

[@KELSEYYYYY]

Then how do you keep living? Is there anything that makes you fulfilled? What on earth even keeps you going? Is it something outside of earth? 😂Asking for myself, I'm borderline, osdd, ied, cptsd, and possibly narcissistic as well, although not diagnosed with npd. Existential crisis over here. Feels like I'm gettin em atleast once a week. Idk wtf to do.

[@Jerichojet]

Are some BPD's aware that they switch even subtlety? Do all BPD's suffer from abandonment, shame and humiliation?

[@samvaknin]

Yes and yes.

[@philosopher24680]

Would you be interested in doing a longer video on the male histrionic? I know you've accurately noted he's more antisocial and sexual than his female counterpart, but I think HPD as well as NPD are the ruling mental diseases of our age and is worth exploring despite being neglected by researchers, and I have no evidence for this but I suspect the male histrionic is more common on social media due to his greater grandiosity. Also, does the histrionic require a greater quantity of supply than a narcissist because their false self mechanism is "weaker" (and thus less self-sustaining), because it certainly appears so? Would it be accurate to say that whereas a narcissist's false self is a more infantile ideal ego, the histrionics false self is closer to an ego ideal (but with no actual core ego functions)?

[@amirat8162]

Thank you!

[@claude2571]

I'm curious about profound giftedness, are you interested in making more videos based on your experiences?

[@irisred7238]

I think you can have both, honestly

[@samvaknin]

Yes, you can.

[@juliallorente2719]

Can a very childlike personality be a substate? Who talks like a baby, love stuffed animals and chubby things? Then a very productive and zero tolerance for laziness and unfairness be another one? I feel I have both and I need to hide myself when the baby expresses, and then hide my feelings of disgust for laziness, naive or driveless people when I am with people with those traits and fall in love with intelligent and ambitious people?

[@samvaknin]

Both are self-states. Watch the video about IPAM.

[@juliallorente2719]

@@samvaknin I never expected you replying to me. Thank you so much

[@saltycrackerss855]

Is it possible for borderlines to return to some kind of baseline self state after a switch? Or do they assume the new identity permanently?

[@cherry2261]

as someone with borderline, switching often goes back and forth, or often depends on outside factors. The new identity is not permanent. You could go back to the one that was before the switch, or you could end up in another one entirely. it all depends. it is not stable.

[@Clarity0yx]

It base of values im always back to my masculine catholic patriotic state coz im bulid my personality on this fundaments

[@Amaproracin]

Maybe I missed it, but I would like to hear a discussion on thee effects of a bpd person an their romantic partner. Long term or even after break-up. You touch on it threw out your discussions, but not ever in length. Thanks Professor

[@samvaknin]

You missed it. More than once.

[@monicad866]

Is 2 months being held captive while being indoctrinated as a young teenager long enough to be considered long term coercive control?

[@samvaknin]

Yes.

[@airadlab8626]

Sounds like a blockbaster

[@airadlab8626]

@@TheSapphireLeo Liquid Metal Borderline souds like a movie

[@Eleventyeleventh]

Not the most flattering thumnail😅scared me clicking on this in the dark lol