Is Brexit changing the UK's political landscape? - BBC Newsnight

[@archiephillips1010]

'I don't really understand a lot of it but we need to be out' - what a healthy democracy

[@whoisme678]

A healthy democracy is one man one vote and to see that vote put to use. Not vote and then request the voter to vote again because of one's own corrupted values.

[@archiephillips1010]

guyverjay or we could just inform the electorate hahahaha

[@ericharvey9456]

500 Brexit MPs would be nice

[@joewood5647]

NO! Brexit is not changing the U.K.'s political landscape, All that Brexit as dawn as show the people of this country what type of people they have been voting in to run their country for years and they are not people who believe in democracy, even though throughout the overturning of the people's voice they keep claiming they do believe in democracy and are working in our best interest. So going against the biggest vote in history , the biggest mandate that the people have given the politicians, the politicians have ignored it because it doesn't fit their criteria. this is them working in our best interest and upholding democracy. Time to wake up people and see who you are being voting in all these years to govern you.

[@joewood5647]

@Kevin Montrond So you are putting making money more important than the survival of not only of the human species but this planet as well to feed the few who role in absolute luxury. Well said "well said" the true face of the human species greed, greed and greed. Let me try and wake you up to reality, I know that's going to be impossible reading your comment. A NO Deal Brexit can only be reckless, because there are too many people in this country for it to actually work without reducing this country's population. where this ridiculous insane system of economic growth of course will have to be scrapped and a community system brought in. to bring sustainability to this country and the people in it , so we don't just keep mindlessly endlessly multiplying and end up destroying the very thing that we rely on for our existence. What is the cause of overpopulation. The greed of individuals wanting to feel more important than those around them, wanting to segregate themselves from the people around them, wanting to be richer than the people around them. It is the reason why Private individual start-up businesses not to benefit there community just themselves. Read on if you wish to know the truth. why your country is in such a mess. A Private individual starts a company, so they can be richer and have a better quality of life than those around them. 1) They need to employ people, but as cheaply as possible, so they can keep more money for themselves, and this was getting such an embarrassment for the government, it is why they brought in minimum wage, and substituted that basic pay with tax credit, so that Private individual could keep more money for themselves. 2) For this Private individual to make money, they have to expand, to expand they have to employ more people as cheaply as possible of course, and they have to sell more of their product to make more money. 3) To do this" what do they need?, well they've got their business, they've got their cheap labour pumping out their product, but there is one vital ingredient missing that stops them becoming richer and richer, that is having an endless supply of people to buy their product. 4) But the employees are on such a low pay that they can't afford to buy their bosses product, this is where the government steps in and gives the employee, credit cards, overdrafts,, bank loans, loan sharks, Day pay loans, so they can buy there employer product at a cost of course to themselves, who are on low pay so getting deeper and deeper in debt. All of this creates the environment you live in, where a few role in absolute luxury , while the rest of you either scrape a living or wallow in poverty. just so them single individuals can be richer, feel more important and looked down upon you. This is what is creating overpopulation, the greed of thousands or even millions of individuals, who do not wish to be a part of society, they wish to stand out in society. Now this is all right as long as you have endless space to operate this greedy selfish endless system in , so if all you individuals who are either scraping a living or wallowing in poverty are happy to live in this society and are happy to see these individuals increasing their quality of life and wealth on your backs, then that's okay then. and the world can carry on spinning endlessly. But if the world you live in is not endless, then you are going to come unstuck, and what's happening is you are coming unstuck, there are so many people in the UK that you cannot physically become an independent country, unless you reduce your population and get rid of this insane system of economic growth. So in a way, the people who wish to stop Brexit and they talk about disasters, shortage of food and medicine are right, because without them massive lorries pouring into the country, this country will starve, but who is to blame for this, the politicians you keep voting in , who talk you into accepting this ridiculous incompatible system of economic growth on an island. Why do you allow yourself to be talked into accepting this ridiculous system, because the majority of you people out there are just as greedy as them single individuals you probably work for on low pay. If any of you had a brain and were capable of using it, then you would realise this system is unworkable, for you would say to yourself , if I cannot endlessly pour water into a cup when I'm making myself a cuppa tea, then how can I believe, I can endlessly pour people onto this island, for the cup I am holding in my hand and this island shared the same problem limited space. So If I cannot endlessly pour something into one limited space then it is only logical that I cannot pour anything endlessly into any other limited space., Which of course includes this island /planet we live on. My question to you people is what is wrong with you? you are claiming to be intelligent people , but where is the physical evidence that shows you are? , I challenge you to show me physical evidence that you are intelligent. I have been challenging my species since the year 2000 and it's coming up to 20 years and in them nearly 20 years you have not once showed me physical evidence that you are as intelligent as you claim to be, you are very clever, very clever indeed, for every single day, you think of new ways of destroying yourself, but you're not intelligent.

[@joewood5647]

@Kevin Montrond You're not listening are you, or taking in what I have written. there is a simple law of physics, whether you stay in the EU or you come out if you carry on embracing a system of economic growth then you are doomed. Because the laws of physics plainly states and tells you, you cannot endlessly put something into something that is not endless. It is why I want to come out of the EU because I want to wake this country up to reality, we live on an island and it does not in any stretch of the imagination represent endless space. So why do the politicians of this island and the people who vote them in believe they can break this law of physics?

[@mr.mintman7545]

52% vs 48% on a turnout of 72% is far from a big mandate. The opposite, actually.

[@johntiseo9578]

So Grimsby MP says she hasn't forgotten that 70% of her electorate voted leave, but she did not say that she would carry out their wishes, lying by omission!

[@timhunt2137]

John Tiseo but not for a no deal. All old.

[@englishmastiff100]

No you just ignore the electorate, not a good move

[@grossherman3841]

There are three things that will make the Tories win a majority, Boris, the help of the the Brexit Party and those who voted to remain but are sickened by the loss of our democracy, that’s what the fight is about now, our democracy that which fuels our freedom, as it has for hundreds of years. The sooner we leave, the better for Britain.

[@ernestoglesby5342]

When this General Election is held, there are going to be MANY MP's in the dole queue. End of two-party politics.

[@cygnetspurs]

Northerners never rejected Labour, Labour rejected them!

[@thanakonpraepanich4284]

Would everything between Newcastle and M38 motorway become free of Labour seat?

[@mapmap1985]

"I'll vote conservative" moves on. "I'm thinking about voting conservative" moves on. "I'll be voting for Corbyn" journalist asks why. Is the traditional Labour voter voting labour the only one that needed investing there???

[@toddy47b]

Yes. And his answer was exactly what was expected.

[@brg9327]

This is going to be the most fascinating general elections for a long time in the country. Very curious to see how it plays out, since you have the two main parties (Lab & Con) are the weakest they have been for a long time and there are two other parties (LD & BP) that look to supplant the main ones. Not to mention the nationalist parties in Wales & Scotland. Probably going to vote Labour myself.

[@brg9327]

@@georgeswampy6224 Interesting how anyone who disagrees with Brexit is brain dead. No I shant be voting for the Brexit Party for two main reasons. 1) I am pro EU, voted remain (as was my democratic right). Plus am a supporter of futher European integration with the intention of the EU eventually becoming a new superstate. 2) The Brexit Party has no manifesto. So beyond leaving the EU what do they stand for?

[@the_9ent]

BRG 0001 Good for you mate. Don’t let the likes of George and his ilk sway you.

[@fatherrob5128]

BRG 0001 Boris and Nigel are going to be housemates at No 10

[@the_9ent]

Father Rob Boris has already turned Farage down to work together. Farage has no chance walking into No10 anytime soon. Keep dreaming. 🤣

[@fatherrob5128]

Imperial Guard it all depends on how badly Labour do you can’t rule anything out

[@kevt3318]

It's also changing the media landscape. . I am already making preparations to dismantle live t.v, so I can bin the BBC tax.

[@andrewwells6323]

Jeremy Corbyn is a national embarrassment.

[@RAF_JIM]

49 and always voted Labour. Never again. Enough said.

[@tadhgknight3484]

You’re making a mistake

[@RAF_JIM]

@@tadhgknight3484 Okay, mate 😆😆😆

[@gigahoe42]

The idea that No Deal would mean its over and we can talk about other things would be funny if it didn't affect so many. Years and years of further discussions will happen, as a deal is still needed

[@elgee6202]

Not necessarily. Many people would be content with sticking to WTO rules for the long term, removing the need for a deal. But even if a deal is needed, it has to be achieved from a no-deal starting basis if a deal cannot be secured before we leave the EU. And the only reason a deal hasn't been secured is because of ... erm ... Remainers. Even if every Brexiteer MP voted against the Withdrawal Agreement, it would've passed with the support of Remainer MPs. It is they who have made no-deal come closer to becoming reality. The idea that Remain MPs have any interest in securing a deal is as laughable as the notion that Nigel Farage does. As is the claim that Boris cannot negotiate a better deal than Labour can when Labour intends to campaign against its own negotiated deal in a second referendum.

[@lizardywizard]

From Newsnight's presentation to the people of Grimsby and then to the comments on this clip. I despair at the country and world I brought children into. The planet needs us ALL to work TOGETHER. NOW.

[@MrRRHHMM]

... and the bbc WILL go..no more licence fee.... not long to wait, now...

[@Valencetheshireman927]

The sooner the better !

[@fatherrob5128]

Boris is now the champion of the northerner

[@NicholasWarnertheFirst]

Northern moron?

[@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871]

Party loyalty is such a strange thing.

[@jordanjames2956]

In a way it is a tradition and we humans have killed Billions for our traditions.

[@petemd11]

Ive never trully understood it. I kinda get that many communities feel that a government has fucked them over and in that case they will vote against them but it winds me up when its for something done decades ago. For example, why would a voter in a Steel or mining community in 2019 vote still for labour if there local MP and council have done fuck all to improve your town in the last 30 years.Its Biting your nose to spite your face. I have always voted for whichever party that i believe best represents my views and ambitions locally, rationally and internationally in the present time, but taking the last few years of performance into consideration granted. Tribal voting robs us all of the best chance of a true, reflective government. Some people vote because they feel almost forced too by family biases. That bullshit has to stop

[@kylesswilhight-blue4787]

No one under the age of 55 here. Just saying

[@kylesswilhight-blue4787]

@richard smith "my working class area". yeah...... you don't sound like a bot

[@Aspartame69]

40 and a labour voter. But cant vote for them till corbyn has gone.

[@kylesswilhight-blue4787]

@richard smith More than happy to engage in a dialogue. However, your name is Rich Smith, subscribed and following exclusively all right wing channels and are off grid. Smells like bot spirit to me.

[@kylesswilhight-blue4787]

@@Aspartame69 Tell me what Corbyn has done that hasn't been accusations that has made you lose his vote.

[@Aspartame69]

@@kylesswilhight-blue4787 His advocacy for the IRA despite not have any official government capacity to hold talks with the terrorist group. His commemoration of the graves of islamic terrorist members black september and his close sympathy for terrorists groups in the west bank and palestine. Probably do to their combined anti-zionist agenda. His casual suggestion that we should repurpose empty, privately owned luxury property to house the victims of grenfell. His expensive principles on nuclear weapons and refusing to deploy them in a retaliatory mannor which in very real terms makes a nuclear strike against the UK MORE possible. His hard like socialism, the experiment has been run to varying degrees, it doesnt work. You can level the playing field, but you cant level the people (no pun intended). I could go on.

[@the_9ent]

I’m sure Johnson and what remains of his party all care deeply for the people of Grimsby 🤣😂

[@BlueKungFu]

Exactly. Can't believe people are this gullible.

[@jadejackson1509]

I really hope Brexit goes through so all these low info voters can see how it works out.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

Well you’re in luck !

[@doug5101]

I'm surprised the BBC actually aired this... as it's clear as day that politics in the UK has been knocked for six with MPS not sticking to their word parties not sticking to their manifestos and parliament not honouring the referendum. The whole system needs a shake up as it is no longer fit for use. The MPS have embarrassed themselves throughout the democratic world and made the possibility of getting a good deal even worse. We should just leave, no deal, no ties with Europe

[@UndisputedChamp834]

Your average leaver is working class in a working class town, that WAS Labour's stomping ground, they've abandoned their own they are finished, ex labour voter here. Not sure who now

[@MrToymaster1]

I know a lot of traditional labour votes and a lot have them said they feel they’re gonna vote Tory to punish labour

[@blueotter5990]

Because the poorly educated read right-wing tabloids. Simple.

[@presidentelectzigenpuss3570]

@@blueotter5990 factual evidence pls

[@sogra8264]

Please inform me why staying in the EU IS A GOOD THING FOR THE UK....Anybody

[@NicholasWarnertheFirst]

Better than the promised chaos of Brexshit.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

@@NicholasWarnertheFirst Yep , you’ve really answered his question . Good job 👏.

[@raviking6572]

Nigel Farage: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

[@elgee6202]

So why are Remainers now taking advice or inspiration from Farage, a man they despise and oppose? If Farage said it, surely that's a reason for you lot to be against it? The Liberal Democrats insisting that they are liberal and democratic is as laughable and insulting as exhuming the corpse of Harold Shipman to appoint him as head of Age Concern.

[@greensupermonkey10]

“I’ll be honest I don’t understand much of it, I just want out” Sums it up.. nothing like a well informed decision!

[@jordanjames2956]

I think that the point is that people are fed up with what seems to many as the elites trying to increase their own power. The sad thing is that it is never going to end in the foreseeable future. Whether Brexit happens or not this is the new normal for politics.

[@thomasarthurmaj]

Some welcome balance there, BBC. Well done.

[@HerbstaMagus]

Everyone in favor of Brexit is a fool! What a sad pathetic situation!

[@joelevansn]

Ah it's that time just before an election again when the BBC decides to ask the question 'can labour possibly EVER win this seat again?'. Why not do this incessantly for the Tories and the Lib Dems? Hmmmmmmmm

[@petretepner8027]

Haven't we put up with enough of this already? Time for Article 7 now.

[@ari1234a]

The driving principle of Brexit is national self-determination - which is why Britain need to agree to whatever terms the Americans give you.

breaking free!...finally...after decades under the boot of bruxelles,raping the women ,stealing the country of it's assets ,enslaving the local population in the on-going process,like a good colonial power is supposed to do and the uk did itself for centuries ......I wonder ,could they give some examples of that tyranny from bruxelles what they are talking about?...juging by the sound they make there must be zillions examples .... taxes on tea?.....a couple of minutes later following happens:...do you believe boris johnson ..... yeah ,.....is the woman her reaction to this question ....I trust boris johnson with all my heart ........may god be with us!!! ....how can people be so stupid+so blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......

[@ishenamara2893]

Big up the propaganda looks like bbc wants u to vote for boris bloody typical

[@007tonygreen]

Brexit party

[@63robroy]

A tory Ad

[@johntowers1213]

Not to pick on him.. but that guy 3:03 is part of the problem of politics's today. I've no animosity to him voting Labour. but god damn vote for them because you think there the best choice not just because that's the way you always vote. Treating political parties like there football teams you support because your dad and granddad did is a sure fire way to get an elected body that takes your vote for granted and a vote you don't have to win is a voter you don't have to win over....I just despair, we really do get the politicians we deserve don't we...

[@tallskin]

"I trust Boris Johnson" - God, they're not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, are they?

[@tvrtvr6984]

Shut up socialist wanker.

[@tallskin]

@blunty How is it our english white working class are the dimmest in the entire EU? Is it education? Is it genetics?

[@WankersCramp69]

@@tallskin oof, racist much?

[@tallskin]

@@tvrtvr6984 I am not a socialist. I am blairite centrist type, like the liberals, centre of the labour party or like the moderate tories who've been expelled from the tory party You're so thick that by your brainless support for johnson with his extremism you've made Jeremy corybyn seem quite attractive as an alternative Like I say you brexiteers are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, are you?

[@gethcreator751]

@@tallskin how is it the middle class and elite are so out of touch with the nation? Something you wankers seem to forget is the working class do most of the work and account for about 80% of the nation and with an attitude like yours you wonder why we hate you all?

[@lordmalcolm2675]

Who's here after the election.

[@johnathanpearson3203]

Down voted biased channel 4. We vote to leave the EU and SM and CU. Labour lies. Labour keeps the poor poor. For themselves.

[@tonyhind6992]

BORIS IS THE ONLY PM WE WANT.

[@whoisme678]

He is the only PM we want IF it were guaranteed he wasn't going to regurgitate May's deal. Judging by how the tories work who's to say what will be said to the general public to have them suck it up.

[@diesel92kj1]

"I'm a socialist at heart" Scariest words to ever be spoken.

[@NoobNoob1986]

These poor people pretending conservatives are going to help them ss a good laugh.

[@tvrtvr6984]

Labour hasnt done anything for the working class for 40 years.

[@waldemarjakowlewitschoswal8235]

Do brits really Think they would be better off the eu then in, you know your politicans and laws do you more harm than eu regulations, but brits want their Commonwealth back, the only Commonwealth you get is with india and pakistan as a colony

[@Gemarica]

The same peole who voted out, fo the same reason: To shake things up. The Brexit vote was a protest vote, now voters are just confused “1984” style. As soon as labourers vote for Tories you now they ae in extreme BDSM.

[@JamesMurphy1984]

Grimsby turkeys voting for Christmas. Vote in Brexit and Conservative austerity for another 5 years and they’ll be no high street left in Grimsby - THAT I can guarantee...

[@stevenmcguinness4751]

James Murphy How short some Memories are, in 2010 Labour stood on a promise of Austerity too.

[@deborahhobbins7131]

this already is no high street it cannot get any worse, years of neglect by all parties

[@3506Dodge]

I was there last year. 'Grim' sby just about has it right.

[@presidentelectzigenpuss3570]

Idiot comment

[@3506Dodge]

@@presidentelectzigenpuss3570 How would you describe Grimsby?

[@presidentelectzigenpuss3570]

I try not to be so judgemental and patronising

[@3506Dodge]

@@presidentelectzigenpuss3570 Describing Grimsby would be "judgemental and patronising?" Talk about a back handed insult....

[@amsterdammancom]

The English need to spend some time in quiet reflection. Yours is a culture and system in need of modernization not fantasizing about a return to Empire. If nothing else, can you at least admit that your not going to unfurl your sails and reclaim your glory days and colonies? You do realize that California has a larger economy than the entire UK right? Get some perspective mate!

[@petemd11]

And your comments are exactly what is wrong with remainer views on leavers. We dont want a return to Empire, stop talking nationalist bollocks. Im quite happy as a leaver to retract somewhat in my ways as a global power if, and its a big if, over a long period of time brexit proves to shrink our economy, our gdp. Preserving our culture, our sense of national identity our social fabric is far more important than wealth. Many polish friends arent rich, but they are happy and they rightly are proud of their country. This EU project that i presume you love and support, is clearly heading down the road to being a superstate. It has a currency, a flag, a nationsl anthem for christs sake. It governs your day to day life more than you know. And it wants more. And it is us Brits, as we have done in the past, who are standing up against it and saying....Nein! This is a call to all countries to join us and stop this madness, love Europe but not the EU. We are british, and be warned, we dont take lightly to be pushed around

[@amsterdammancom]

​@@petemd11 If it matters I am 100% in favor of leave! I was amazed you voted for it, but I am one of those wishing you would get it over with and go away. I took a semester in England and can say from first hand experience that yours is a poor system of most everything. Education was a joke, the three least useful and by far easiest classes of my many years in University. Yours is a society based on lies. Nothing against the UK either, I started as a huge supporter, but the truth causes me to feel this way. Check your own history, it is pretty bad. I like the way you feel the need and ability to offer a warning to the world at the end! England will not be taken lightly! Planning an invasion again are we? Did you get the Americans and Russians to do the heavy work for you once again? As I said, you need to reflect on the truth as it is, not as you wish it was. But I do applaud you for realizing that empire is part of your history, even if we disagree on how evil or virtuous it was. I'm just annoyed Brexit is still a thing. Leave was supposed to mean leave!

[@petemd11]

This little shithole of an island is actually by far and away, the greatest country to have ever existed on planet earth. Our history is tarnished with bad tines, wrong decisions, but name another major country that doesn't have a tarnished history. What a shithole the UK is that so many people from around the world want to come here, to visit, to work or to live. Your views are your own and irrelevant . Looking forward to our independence day, not long now!

[@tallskin]

Dear Brexiters, if Yellowhammer was scaremongering, who were the government trying to scare, given that they never intended to release it?

[@tomherbert2361]

Bunch of degenerates

[@hopperthemarxist8533]

People vote based on feelings

[@frankyfourfingers8913]

People voted for brexit because of none EU immigration . Karma got Blair in the end .

[@enochpowelghost]

Every Mp needs to back to school and learn what "DEMOCRACY" means. Every remainer needs to go back to school to under stand what "LEAVE" means. its as simple as that.

[@michaeledwardparker9497]

What a undemocratic lot of gangster thugs over Turing the people’s vote to Brexit in parliament its a disgrace

[@placepages8071]

Sorry dumbass but the referendum was a stunt that backfired. You ain't leaving son

[@presidentelectzigenpuss3570]

@@placepages8071 and where are you from?

[@allardfreichmann3733]

Globalisation, social democracy, innovate, fight corruption, poverty and waste. Politics of today and the future.

[@Lopez2030]

What a bad comen for the presenter a the end of the report. He tray to defend Bojo??? He sound stupid, next time more respect for the viewers, please.

[@smashingdeano]

Labour are the only party willing and able to heal this nation.

[@deborahhobbins7131]

we are going blue in grimsby!!

[@Valencetheshireman927]

👍

[@raziel3726]

Changing for the Better People had forgotten what Democracy was in this Country Since Brexit People are Invigorated and are more inclined to follow Politics Now!!

[@allmendoubt4784]

What is happening in London will never reflect carrot crunchers grumbin in Grimsb'e.

[@codex8085]

The Labour movement must ultimately diverge from Socialism as their end goals are different. Start a British Labour Movement.

[@sonofanarchy6628]

I'm used to be Labour i will never vote for the hippy criminals afain

[@fumurph]

My favourite Transformer was called Grimlock and he was a dinosaur. All these people are from Grimsby and they are also dinosaurs. Coincidence?! I think not. 😌

[@peerless67]

LOL Anyone would think the BBC work for the Tories. oh wait a minute......

[@SpearMinti]

Turkeys voting for Christmas :(

[@californiadreamin8423]

Don't worry Grimsby , Boris is going to rebuild British Shipbuilding, and all 5 Frigates are going to built in Grimsby !! All the steel will come from Scunthorpe 🌞 Isn't it great when you believe every lie Boris and Nigel tell you ? I admit I'm lying, I'm not the Prime Minister, but Boris never does.