Is Carnivore the Next Step After Keto and Paleo?

Mark Sisson answers a question on the carnivore diet.
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[@rehabdisaster5804]

What Dr. Paul would call, "Tier five carnivore" reversed my multiple sclerosis in a month. I've since gained 25 pounds. I was badly emaciated when I started this. I finally enjoy life again. Thanks for doing what you do.

[@zephyrlibs]

Carnivore helps indeed. A lot of research backing for.MS kzbin.info/www/bejne/l17LXpt7raisqKM

[@AJF4Me]

I have MS also and the Paleo diet has really helped but I'm ready to try the Carnivore diet to see if it helps even more.

[@jhssuthrnmama]

How's it going now?

[@evener225]

Carnivore finally got rid of my sugar addiction which I suffered for long time! My digestion, my mood, metal, anxiety, depression, dental care, etc improved so much as well as body composition.

[@Shawn-hs8qk]

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[@nancyk7874]

Agree!

[@Shackofcinnamon]

Colorectal cancer isn’t a good trade off.

[@danielmarone5757]

​@Cinnamon Shack those were cherry picked studies. grass finished meats were not used.

[@johnsnow5264]

It is quite clear that such an extreme diet like carnivore is only popular among those with a lot of health problems. For medical science this should be interesting to study, ie how such an unnatural diet changes the physiology to the better. It is important though to emphasize that carnivore is not for the average healthy person.

[@Amanda.c91]

yes, no fiber is ammaaaaaazing! zero bloat, zero gas, zero constipation, zero carb zen😌

[@jphuwae4505]

👍👍 100% I agree !! Plus fat just melted from my body after I turned carnivore (nose to tail).

[@susun7771]

Superb for psoriasis. Healed up in 2 weeks. No veggies ever! Tried squash but again issues of all you mentioned.

[@RobertWadlow292]

@@susun7771 It's likely you're in remission but not cured. It's probably wise to tackle whatever the dysbiotic pattern is (if the issue is stemming from the gut) as gut issues can get worse over time if not dealt with

[@HappilyCarnivore]

@@RobertWadlow292 I would take a guess and say carnivore is HOW she's dealt with her gut issue.

[@meme-pe4ob]

How can no fibre result in zero consipation.

[@alphacause]

I am not consistently carnivore, as on the weekends I will incorporate some vegetables for variety. However, on the weekdays I am carnivore. I noticed that regardless of how much meat I eat, even if I gorge myself well past the point of satiety, my belly never gets the ugly and uncomfortable distended look. Its only on the weekends, when I incorporate vegetables into my diet, that is when I get that bloated and abdominal distension. I really should cut out the vegetables entirely, but I admit I just like the mouth feel and flavor of charred cauliflower and broccoli.

[@susun7771]

Veggies has latex in them as well and if you are latex sensitive at all ... This is the response you mention that happens along with insoluble fiber. Look it up

[@ascendtoaesthetics]

remove vegetables, use fruit fot variety

[@matthewbradysmit]

you gotta try eating fruit instead

[@gerganageleva9439]

For me, is the answer for happy, healthy life!❤🍗

[@WantToBeFitNow]

Improved mental health and energy are a big reason why I always seem to find my way back to carnivore

[@espianmashias9565]

Same here

[@alphacause]

If I looked HALF as good at 67 at Mark does here at that age, I would be elated. Hell, I don't look that good now, at 44 years of age. Its a work in progress and Mark is my inspiration.

[@rjreddenbaker4351]

Thanks for all your hard work for the cause of health, Mark. I'm listening to your last book now on Audible and am really enjoying it. I went carnivore on 2/2/22 after some fairly serious health issues the last few years, including intestinal blockages and diverticulitis, which led to a punctured colon that almost required surgery in 2018, and then Bell's Palsy in early Feb of this year, as well as being severely obese at 5'6", 275 lbs with a 44 inch waist. As of today (6/30/22) I am down to 197 lbs (-78 lbs) and my waist size is 32, which is 4 inches smaller than when I graduated high school in 1987! It also puts me in the healthy range of height to waist ration for the first time ever. I'm fairly large frame, so 150, where the outdated "BMI scale" says I should be is unrealistic and wrong. Carnivore may not be for everyone, but if you are having health issues and the future looks bleak from a health perspective, it can certainly be successful way of eating and feeling better. I literally (and not figuratively) feel like a different person today due to the dieting changeover to full carnivore. I tell people now that if they can just get rid of processed food and sugar their health will improve and they will start to feel better and better as they return to metabolic health for the first time in years.

[@annh3599]

Thanks for the informative videos Mark!

[@mukeshmonchik2271]

My experience suggests that the keto diet is over-hyped. A good diet ougt to be easy to stick with and be healthy. *Agoge diet* is a great option, I lost a lot of belly fat.

[@lennagingras2748]

Got my plan, looks good 👌

[@zephyrlibs]

Carnivore is way better, check this scientific study kzbin.info/www/bejne/l17LXpt7raisqKM

[@gertch100]

Ketovore is the only diet I’ve ever been able to stick with

[@vibrantvoid8568]

Agoge is so not transparent, probably all the same person with different accounts promoting this

[@barb0138]

I tried it for 3 weeks I just couldn't do it. I still work for a living g I can not afford to be sick for weeks on end. Also I just feel so much better when I eat my vegetables. I also have 1 question, if we are supposed to be carnivore why do we have taste buds?

[@mydlonozka]

i love it keto and carnivore.I change it, I have a period carnivore or keto.

[@TheKingdomWeigh]

I’ve had a lifetime of chronic constipation which now is normal, easy. I’ve been eating Carnivore since June 1, 2021

[@jackbeam5751]

That s idea remind me the way of eating of an old school bodybuilder Gironda as I remember he was just eating a big steak a day or something like that, and follow an atypical training routine based on high intensity and short time training

[@RobotDad]

I did Carnivore for 30 days straight... lost a ton of goo and it did help my auto-immune issues but it got very boring, I need a bit of variety. I like Mark's suggestion of going in and out of carnivore and other protocols. It has taken me a year or so of strict paleo to straighten out most of my auto-immune issues. I realized it takes time to heal and it doesn't happen in a week or even months... at least for me.

[@rosie_amo]

I have ulcerative colitis, were you able to heal that with paleo?

[@nikolaeskimbe296]

@@rosie_amo try wildfit.

[@elleh3495]

purely from a tactile perspective, ive gotta have some crunchy crisp bitter freshness to cut through all the fatty meat. it just balances it and makes it much more enjoyable. radishes, some broccoli raab, or fermented pickles and kimchi used as condiments make carnivore much more palatable.

[@PandaLAG]

Thank you for what you do....I just found your channel, although I've seen you on other channels. I love primal products btw!😄

[@khollern1]

On a whim, I just watched my old P90X get started video. Mark, you were on there, and wow! Has your view on nutrition changed. Not that that’s a bad thing, or I’m trying to play gotcha, but you were diametrically opposite. Eat every three hours small meals etc.

[@RobotDad]

Great points.....I think we've all learned.

[@ericstephenson145]

Gotta resect a guy who is willing to change his mind and own it when new facts are presented.

[@Munchkin71]

I have RA so been on carnivore.I must be doing something wrong cos I find I have gotten worse.I could barely walk anymore and stopped the eggs for a week to get some relief so eggs seem to bother me.I tend to fast all day then eat dinner which is usually beef,and a bit of fruit for my sweet tooth.

[@dannettepeters1507]

Is it not true, that our gut flora, needs fiber (prebiotics) to feed the probiotics?

[@mikemcgrath6150]

He addressed fiber from the regularity perspective but what about as food for ur microbes? I did primarily meat for a long time and felt better than ever, as I was terribly autoimmune for a long time. My end results were muted bc I was consuming milk kefir at the same time w an unknown dairy allergy. But as time went along, I eliminated dairy and again..progress stalled. It wasnt till I added chia seeds and then especially potato starch powder that I noticed magic begin to happen. Prebiotic resistant starch. So I agree that eliminating inflammatory foods is part of it but if uve lost ur health, it is my experience that u need these fiber sources to replant and replenish it. That along w keto dominant paleo, onad, intermittent fasting and pure water fasting is where I'm at.

[@andysmith-vi1bo]

I waiting to see yhe long term effects of keto and carnivore diets . The body needs a balanced diet, but to much meat vrs too much plant-based diet can lead to many complications. Americans have a heavy meat diet as is but a sugar addiction is surely a problem regardless along with processed foods and breads

[@bookworm5433]

Currently I prioritize in this way. 1. Meat 2. Vegetables 3. Fruit 4. Small amounts of dairy. No more than a palm full a day. Mainly as garnish. No processed sugar no processed carbs. No bread or pasta or chips or fries. No cereal. No sugar from unnatural sources. So it's not one thing or the other but mainly meat. Dinner was a roast duck. It was delicious. Whole real food, I find that best.

[@tommybeaumont2827]

After colon surgery 2014...carnivore and keto give me bad diarrhea ...any suggestions on how to fix that...I hate to quit the diets ...i started keto about 8 months ago

[@santiago7620]

How much fat are you consuming? One should eat fatty cuts (and definitely not chicken breasts) but a lot of people go overboard. Fat-Bombs can cause loose stools. Upping the protein generally turns them more solid. It can be a challenge to find the perfect balance between ingesting too much fat (loose stools, weight gain) and too little fat (low energy, bad mood, hunger).

[@ericstephenson145]

Vary your fat intake.

[@Mil891]

I have done two rounds of carnivore foe days each. Everytime is the same: diarrhea, low energy and fatigue when doing cardio to the point where I have to stop after like 15 minutes. Not to mention that eating nothing but meat and eggs is incredibly boring. I always go back to a lowish fat omnivore diet and end up feeling much better each time. Carnivore is clearly not for everyone.

[@robwasnj]

We went the opposite direction years ago and tried a vegan diet which we've now been mostly practicing for 7 years. Reason was my wife's A1c, cholesterol and triglycerides were all getting high, cutting out meat drastically improved both of our lipid panels, in fact my total cholesterol has dropped to 117, A1c is 5.0 and blood pressure is lower than when I was in my 20's. For weight loss I'm sure any diet that helps burn fat will work but I really think for many of us putting all those animal fats into our bodies could lead to heart disease and other health issues. Sadly I've known too many people that looked fantastic on the outside, muscular, not overweight but inside was a different story. One thing I will TOTALLY agree on is sugar and processed foods/breads are absolutely horrible. Even after we went vegan our diets were quite high in sugar, only recently (past 7 months) have we totally eliminated any processed sugars have we started to feel way better. I never really felt any different on a vegan vs omni diet but like I said blood tests even 6 months after the change were mind blowing... but after cutting out sugar, wow, that was game changing and something I wish we'd done earlier. Sadly much of the information we read touted vegan diets but didn't really take into account replacing meat and dairy with sugar isn't a good path to health. I've also become a huge fan of eating less often, my day starts with a green smoothie and then I generally don't eat anything until 4 or 5 pm. I'm more productive not having to think about food and my digestion is better. I'm in my late 50's and 1600 calories a day is all I really need.

[@RobCGilliam]

I'm open to diets and believe people who say these are helping them greatly. Prediabetic in 2019, A1C 5.9%. Initially did keto and 2 meals a day and got it down to 5.5% and lost a lot of weight. Down to my ideal weight of 170. After I was able to up the carbs slightly to a general lower carb diet and keep the same weight. But decided to try keto again because my A1C stayed too close to 5.7. Figured long term keto would fix this. 18 months of strict keto my A1C did not budge. My fasting blood glucose was around 100 and almost always above that during the day. And worse, all the saturated fat skyrocketed my LDL from a lifetime level around 80-90 to 180. I had to just have faith that keto long term and further increase in LDL was not a long term threat. Or change my diet. I opted for veganish Pescatarian because I love fishing and catch enough to supply my family year-round. And I have a garden. So for the last two months I actually got a CGM to track this new low saturate fat and low fat in general diet. 1) I've leaned up so much I look like a body builder with veins I've never seen before popping out. 2) My glucose was spiking up to 180 initially after even a cup of blueberries or other fruit. Or bowl of oatmeal. Systematically this has improved with a rare spike above 140. In the last two weeks I'm seeing numbers that have shocked me. Today my breakfast with vegan protein shake with cup of blueberries, three pieces of guac toast with egg white (not strict vegan) brought my glucose up to 108 and then it quickly went back to 86. 3) My overnight glucose is going in the 70s and 80s. I only saw these levels on keto after a 3 day fast. My morning levels after waking do increase in the 90's, but they were 105-110 before. It seems that keto completely lost my ability to process carbs. High fat/protein diet did nothing to improve my prior insulin resistance. It only masked it. Might be fine if I never planned on changing back to carbs in the diet, but again, you have to weigh long-term high LDL. Seems the low fat veganish eating has improved my insulin resistance. The last week I've had days where average blood glucose is coming in around 97. That equates to a A1c around 5.0.

[@robwasnj]

@@RobCGilliam Wow, that's a great story and VERY similar to ours. Changes don't always happen immediately but my wife and I haven't seen high A1C in years and my blood pressure which was creeping up is almost never over 110/70... and I take NO pills. Like yourself fishing is something I've loved, especially mangrove snapper in the FL keys. For the first years of our vegan diet we didn't touch anything but now a few times a month we enjoy fish. Thanks for sharing all the details, I love hearing stories where people take control of their health without prescriptions.

[@RobCGilliam]

@@robwasnj Right one man. Ever since a kid, something about catch and eat fish seemed like a primal urge. My fish is quite sustainable and clean. Works for me and my moral value set, but respect those who are true vegan for moral reasons. My numbers continue to look better and better. Getting fasting glucose in the low 80's now. Best to ya my friend.

[@RobCGilliam]

Kidney function improve from the GFR number. Liver enzymes AST and ALT both improved. My AST went up to 47 on high fat keto meaning some fat in the liver. That reduced to 30. Blood Pressure sits at 110/75. Resting heart rate drops to 40-45 BPM. These concepts work it seems. Not to say others do not. But I have to cringe a bit when some high saturated fat eaters are wearing LDL's of 300-500 as a badge of honor. Have feeling in 5-10 years some are going to start seeing plaque buildup. I was just not willing to hand-wave the high LDL numbers as meaningless or even healthy.

[@smash0005]

I wish I could try carnivore. My liver can’t process protein and I get really sick. I don’t know why.

[@KenWang2]

You might have to go on a fruit cleanse first and then later incorporate animal foods once you are detoxed. Carnivore is not for everybody.

[@Jay-h9d9h]

@@KenWang2it is for everybody

[@Jay-h9d9h]

how do you know its your liver. your liver shouldn't have a problem. you'd be dead if it couldn't process protein. have you tried carnivore or are you making assumptions?

[@DMNiss]

I am three days into carnivore, drinking plenty of water, definitely eating enough, getting enough salt, no sweeteners, only whole food animal products, and I am still bloated. I'm also struggling with eating so many animals. I love meat and I'm coming from keto. I suffer from lupus, hence the reason I'm attempting this "experiment", "lifestyle", what have you. I've also been an insomniac my entire life. Before anybody tells me to eat a steak, I assure you, I have. In the past 3 days I have consumed a brick of Kerrygold butter, countless eggs, three grass fed ribeyes, high quality wild caught salmon, bacon wrapped chicken thighs, two slabs of crispy pork belly, three grass-fed burgers. I cook all of my food and butter, duck fat, and bacon fat. What gives? Should I return to keto?

[@fatrick9001]

maybe relax. odd thing to start panicking three days into a diet change over STILL being bloated. what you were doing before wasn't helping by your own admission, maybe the cause isn't dietary. I don't think a large quantity of food is some kind of requirement for doing carnivore right, as it sounds like you are assuming? eat until you are satiated and no more. You may be struggling to finish meals from drowning every piece of meat in additional fat. I've done carnivore for a year and I never really added that much additional fat to stuff, I only add fat occasionally. Maybe that clarification is needed because keto people can be weird about "fat bombing" their meals and coffees. I mean a brick of butter? Just why? It's no commandment of carnivore to eat that much butter and fat.

[@DMNiss]

@@fatrick9001 I eat when hungry to satiety. The added butter was to add a bit more fat, as well as salt. I feared an electrolyte imbalance. I have since scaled back. Bloating has subsided. I am having issues with sleep still. As far as fretting, I meditate, journal and am quite active. I consider my stress levels to be fairly low. I am pursuing this lifestyle to assist in the management of an auto immune disorder. I am afflicted with Lupus and I am so over all of the different medications that never seem to help.

[@fatrick9001]

@@DMNiss oh well good to hear at least one of your issues has subsided. you look very pretty in your profile pic so at least you are healthy in other aspects despite suffering from lupus.

[@DMNiss]

@@fatrick9001 Thank you so much. That is very kind of you to say. I hope you are having a wonderful day

[@Ironstarfish]

I get less lean when I eat veggies for some reason

[@JLU-wm8ir]

will carnivore help diabetes?

[@kimdavis7812]

Don’t we need SCFA’s from a variety of foods? Thank you Mark 🇨🇦😊

[@nicolecalhoun5208]

If by a variety of food you mean plant fiber, then no. Humans have no cecum to speak of, no rumen, and a very short hind gut (compared to other primates. That means we suck at fermenting fibers into SCFAs. We do have bacteria that creates some, but they use about half of that for themselves. The ketone, betahydroxybutyrate nourishes our colon in much the same way as SCFAs. Sorry I can’t link to a paper, but if you look into media put out by keto and carnivore experts you can get details as this topic is frequently addressed. Meat RX with Shawn Baker just had a gastroenterologist on yesterday and this was discussed

[@kimdavis7812]

@@nicolecalhoun5208 thank you... so if one has digestive issues after ingesting roughage it is a good indication that it’s really not meant for us?

[@RobertWadlow292]

@@kimdavis7812 www.muhealth.org/conditions-treatments/surgical/bariatric-surgery/getting-started/anatomy-and-function-of-the-gi-tract No cecum huh? Woops!

[@kimdavis7812]

@@JAMuUP I’m starting to think your right .... Thomas DeLauer, Jason Fung, Ben Bickman, dr Eric berg, dr Mindy Pelz.... Layne Norton..... too many with vastly different views... who do you know has actual scientific studies? I do find Andrew Huberman to be knowledgeable.... but it is exhausting sorting thru these purported ‘experts’ .... I’m not an expert but I do want to follow some that have the knowledge....

[@fiona4731]

Now November 2023 and Sisson is “Carnivore adjacent” - his words not mine

[@calliyacurie9323]

while keto did help me lose weight it always give me theses headaches, u say its normal but my doctor say otherwise. he put me into this diet plant which is agoge and i never felt better when on a diet. keto never is the best for everyone

[@johnkarni]

Human metabolism is multi-level cascading bio-chemical reactions, significantly more complex than rocket science and computer science combined. Ancestral diet and the theory of evolution are likely the most effective guiding principles for optimal healthy human diet.

[@johnsnow5264]

And that points to a plant based diet.

[@hunden8404]

@@johnsnow5264 Not necessarily. It points to a balanced diet not containing foods that need to be cooked to get nutritional value. For example, grains and legumes.

[@mshahid2898]

Yes fibre is important long term - 👍🏼

[@hemonc007]

What about Class I carcinogen called red meat? Have these patients been followed for developing cancer? Do you have stock in Tysons? Please declare your conflict of interest if any with meat industry. Also can you provide links to all the "reserach" that you are claiming about autoimmune disease regression with carnivore diet. Also, could you provide links to your research on how including plants in your diet can be harmful.

[@urtyp6596]

For me its just logical. Why would I eat poison plants? Makes everything so easy too.

[@glfriendliness9793]

Over too long a time of high protein andI start to feel just a tad tired. With a salad, I feel lightened up.

[@anofficial1-y5x]

I tried all these diets and gave up on all but one. Only the Agoge diet helped me get rid of that persistent belly fat.

[@dhlong1697]

Naturally evolved toward carnivory, taking the same path in the title--paleo to keto.

[@jayrichh2659]

Very hard to do these low carb/0 carb diets!!

[@glfriendliness9793]

For me, my body still needs some salad. I respect people who find incredible healing from carnivore, but I’d miss my seaweed in my romaine heart with primal kitchen dressing and cherry tomatoes salad! And some blueberries and cherries.

[@SuperCarolkim]

I look forward to not planting a garden next spring, and instead let a multitude of chickens run riot..☺

[@Ruicsandra]

Mark, you say in your last book that in general dietes are stupid and now you are coming up with this type of video? You could haven't been more inconsistent than this!

[@miklimecat9636]

In "general" I think, might be the operative word. Are there exceptions? I would say yes. Keto is more rightly a lifestyle or Way Of Eating rather than a "diet" (diet=>where one stops at a certain point only to go back to a Standard Crappy Diet). Carnivore, a subcategory of Keto, can be both. When used as an elimination diet, it's very useful to track down which plant foods are problematic as you add them back one at a time. Once you know which plants to stay away from, you could potentially go back to being more omnivorous. I'm dealing with skin autoimmune issues. I'm enjoying Carnivore a lot. I can totally see turning this elimination "diet" into a Way Of Eating, especially if it keeps my symptoms from flaring up.

[@johnsnow5264]

As he says, this is mainly/only for certain diseases, such as severe situations like autoimmune disorders. Healthy people can get severely sick from this as they would if they would submit themselves to another extreme treatment like chemotherapy. The best diet for healthy people has been established since a century and its centered around whole plant foods. So dont go and destroy your health just because a new crazy diet is hyped at the moment.

[@fatrick9001]

yeah right, plants suck compared to meat. They don't even seem like food in comparison. You say the rising popularity of carnivore is only about fad diets, but one could say your view is only about clinging to old dogma that was formed by special interest group lobbying long ago.

[@johnsnow5264]

@@fatrick9001 Looking at the increasing interest in plant based products globally, there is no real increase of the carnivore diet - only people living in that carnivore bubble think that. Your next move is predictable: you think those that dont agree with your carnivore fad also live in a bubble. The difference being that meat is a disease promoting food, whereas plants are health-promoting. See the WHO classification of red meat and especially cured meat: suspected or confirmed carcinogens.

[@casper98204]

WRONG!!! We're is your data.

[@johnsnow5264]

@@casper98204 Essentially ALL nutrition science says that. Keto is life shortening. Red meat is a carcinogen.

[@CKC-gk2dh]

What's after Carnivore? Eat nothing!?!?! Just consume the air you breathe?

[@zephyrlibs]

Mark's daily meat preach. Please don't sellout to Cargill Mark.

[@integralsun]

Add Jesus first. Tastes like chicken...but I’m not ready to do cannibalism seven days a week, just yet. Besides, grass fed sources are not always available at my local tribal grocer’s meat counter and as we learned from Mark on this web video, it’s good to mix it up. I use my 3.5 HP Blendtec’s top speed to rip apart the cell walls to get all the phytonutrients.

[@integralsun]

“Put People First is my motto when it comes to diet. Tip: start with the organ meats for their nutritional density value.” -- Hannibal

[@Minney-Me]

Personally, I can't do carnivore. I need my dark leafy greens everyday

[@garyhodges5812]

Why?

[@ulyssesmarshall5061]

U look cute asf, why tho?

[@Luciana-Superluci-Marchi]

Lol That’s not true. Addicted yo anti nutrients?

[@jsagers2008]

"komponents"

[@LaneCodeRedCarnivore]

I cant afford strict carnivore. Because grass fed is beyond my means.

[@robinbeers6689]

You don't have to do all grass fed. Walmart beef-in-a-tube is miles better for you than eating plants.

[@miklimecat9636]

Eat the meats you can afford. Do nose-to-tail. A lot of organ meats are actually cheaper and you only need little amounts to help round out your nutrition.

[@Luciana-Superluci-Marchi]

@@miklimecat9636 exactly, it’s an excuse. Need to learn how to buy.

[@christinawoodard3754]

Im am not a fan of all the animal

[@imfam6807]

Всё дурнее и дурнее. Назад в прошлое. Может Марку попробовать диету инфузории туфельки?

[@rubenvargas3547]

Boring way to eat, no thanx

[@duststorm7287]

Come to the dark side Mark. Meat is the ultimate plan for living a good life. Add Jesus and your life is whole spiritually and physically.

[@smash0005]

Jesus first! Add everything else after! 🙂

[@Sherukka]

@@smash0005 Zlatan is god, so add him!

[@robbykelley3598]

@@Sherukka All hail Zlatan!

[@ginnyfromdablock7551]

Zaltan is nothing

[@mv8771]

1st!

[@GladImnotU69]

Makes sense