Is Chinese J-20 a better stealth fighter than F-35?

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The video explores the newest Chinese J-20 stealth fighter and the mainstay of US future fighter fleet, the F-35. How do they compare? Which one is better in air to air and air to ground ops? The video offers a detailed technical analysis and gives a final verdict.
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[@pyeitme508]

Love it!

[@johnerelmacahilig5912]

Binkov pls USA VS IRAN

[@savustufavuze3011]

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[@bing4126]

hey bro, you really gotta do US vs Iran with all that's happening now.

[@thibovanmessem7608]

The thumbmail is wrong on the left it is the f35 and on the right the j20

[@sarthakbikrampanta8342]

Aaaaannnndddd suddenly everyone in the comments are aeronautical engineers

[@datrevmeister]

No, but unlike you, we’re not stupid.

[@RobinTheBot]

No no, I watched a video by "Miltary Marvels USA best!!!" on facebook and now I know that f-35s are invisible to everything and have space technology the primitive chinese canrs imagine.

[@reeeec]

The 2 comments here makes the main comments correct. We don't know if J-20 is worst or better but in the facts it's bigger and heavier

[@arminius6506]

How can you forget mentioning our cyber fighter pilots with 10-15 year experience????

[@himanshusingh-qg2su]

And here comes comment from a vetted fool trying to mock others. Lol

[@Raptorftw]

So basically we know literally nothing about the J-20 other than it's called J-20.

[@whoareyouyouareclearlylost323]

Yeah, basically it could be a flying cardboard aircraft, and still rival f-35s.

[@kilpatrickkirksimmons5016]

Exactly. The hook seems to be that China has a stealth program. Full stop. The fact that China is silent on its quality tells me that they haven't caught up to either the US or Russia. The minute they think they have, you can bet they'll be trumpeting their stats ad nauseum.

[@Soras_]

We know Chinese export fighter and J20 would be an huge upgrade with stealth design.

[@cjmjrjm2385]

J-20 is just a 4++ genaration jet fighter not a 5th generation..compare to the american 5th generation jets they are no match..it's gonna be a turkey shoot

[@Soras_]

@@cjmjrjm2385 it s pointless to compare fighter along with different mission requirements.

[@hotchi1566]

If you have no solid data of both fighters, it is better not to do a comparison, because the result makes no sense.

[@alvarozapata4642]

Agree.

[@raymondazadgoli5425]

Exactly. But somehow the plane there's no data for is the better jet?

[@tompalmer5986]

One of the selling points of the F35 has been its total situational awareness.

[@richardbradley1532]

It cannot have total situational awareness just better

[@richardbradley1532]

@F*BLM only god has total situational awareness 😂 Seriously though, do you think it is possible for a future update to give an F35 pilot improved situational awareness? If so the current level cannot be total?

[@belluh-1huey102]

@@richardbradley1532 tbh the trailing edge on the J20 do be looking sus.

[@tomwhitworth1560]

@@richardbradley1532 It's 95 percent awareness

[@popeofpain6904]

Wanna lose brain cells? Please proceed to the comment section.

[@jimboydejuan7869]

Well guess U.S in a nushell comments

[@popeofpain6904]

@@jimboydejuan7869 haha. Not just U.S also China number one comments.

[@MNanme1z4xs]

@@popeofpain6904 Who did China number 1 comment? What strawman are we talking about?

[@MNanme1z4xs]

@kingDeCosta123 So where are they? Find me one example on this or other video.

[@burg2740]

@@MNanme1z4xs you just posted cringe! Your gonna lose some social credit score

[@kingchooet9966]

Summary: we don't know enough about the J-20 to even compare them.

[@zetajolyne3689]

emmm as a Chinese I have to say actually the manufacturers and pilots have talked times about J-20 performance and even specific parameters on SNS & TV just no one translates. Don't look at me I won't too👀

[@RobinTheBot]

@@zetajolyne3689 turn on your vpn and accidentally message me some links lol

[@zetajolyne3689]

@@RobinTheBot Sry you also need vpn to see the link I gave you. So just dictate an interesting one. In a course (declassified) for elected J-20 pilots, the instructor talk to students: "Why do you dogfight?" "Because I have supersonic maneuverability!" "Nope! Because you are stupid !"

[@RobinTheBot]

@@zetajolyne3689 hahaha, fair enough. That's funny if it's no good at dog fighting, that seems to be where it will succeed. The designs seem to be just stealthy enough to close to effective range with something like the F35 so it can punish the slower, smaller fighter. If it's a bad dog fighter that's no good.

[@zetajolyne3689]

@@RobinTheBot oops, the pilot also said: "When enter supersonic, that is her world."

[@Krebssssssss]

A pair of J-20s were tracked on Indian radar from nearly 100 miles away as they flew through Tibet on practice runs. The F-35 flew into Iran, and over Russian and Syrian airspace in Syria, both undetected by Iran's defense systems, or the Russians' so-called "F-35 killer" S-400 and their S-300 SAM systems. That's enough for me.

[@user-dw1mx9nn2x]

but India never provided any evidence though lol

[@hurbrowns5397]

Recently Venezuela said it detected F-22.. These reports should not be taken as seriously because it can't be proved or disproved. Countries will never show evidence.

[@sarthakbikrampanta8342]

No proof has been provided

[@Shubham_Bahirat]

@@hurbrowns5397 Venezuela can't feed their own people how can they detect f22 And India is 4th strongest military Other countries respect India not like lying CCP who lie to their own people

[@sorad.2916]

India? you mean the home of 99% scammers in the world?

[@phoenixlal7428]

J20 looks like a mix of following: F22 (weapons bay) Eurofighter (canard wing) F35 (rudder and engine inlets) F18 or F15 (nozzle)

[@Alecxace]

mainly because it's from stolen blueprints from all of them

[@wetcat833]

Google MIG 1.44 and you'll see where the wind ( in this case, hot air ) is blowing from.

[@appa609]

I think its planform is more like a Viggen or Mig1.42. The delta wing is quite far back and its Canards are very large and stubby. Pretty unusual actually.

[@Jaxymann]

My impression is that the J-20 isn’t meant to be a Chinese version of the F-22, but rather, a large airborne missile truck tasked primarily with using stealth and long-range air-to-air missiles to attack AWACS, aerial refuelling and non-stealthy aircraft, and then operate in conjunction with H-6 bombers with both using cruise missiles to attack American military installations, bases, key infrastructure and naval vessels.

[@XiyuYang]

Nope, J-20 is developed for agriculture, not military purposes, what have you been smoking?

[@Mirpurmad]

I agree with you. its bigger weapon bay suggests that its meant to strike deep in a complex air defence environment. and may be launch cruise missiles or glide bombs as well.

[@RobinPhillips1957]

@@XiyuYang You are not supposed to notice that! LOLs

[@RobinPhillips1957]

A short life sacrifice target!

[@kilpatrickkirksimmons5016]

I think you've nailed it.

[@combot6610]

These may be stealth planes but nothing is as stealth as flight MH370 lol

[@thomasvandenbroek1001]

😂😂😂😂

[@strawberrydragon6252]

The Chinese need to step up their game and find that jet, they can learn how to have invisible planes then!

[@looinrims]

XD Stealth: 100

[@Bababoy6969]

@@strawberrydragon6252 lol bro too bad china uses american f117 stealth tech and more because of serbia that shot down 3 f117 and 2 b2 nice american stealth btw that was in 1995 ish

[@strawberrydragon6252]

@@Bababoy6969 stop being nationalistic You have no way of proving your statement is either true or false.

[@decentish8546]

Hasn’t India said that they’ve spotted the J-20 multiple times on their radar? I think the stealth capabilities of the J-20 are dubious at best.

[@arvidejhed7280]

They could have been wanted to be seen as a display of force

[@jeffpeng1118]

the J20s had installed luneburg lens to enlarge their radiation reflection for training purposes when the indians spotted them.

[@zippyparakeet1074]

@@jeffpeng1118 why would they "train" near an enemy border? In fact, why would you even deploy stealth technology along a volatile border considering how destabilizing it is for the established status quo, the implications that are behind deploying said tech and the sheer value of the tech. Imagine if India got nervous and shot down the aircraft while they can still see it. Boom, billions gone and possibly a new war started in the process. You see where I'm getting with this? How destabilizing stealth is and why countries don't deploy it near volatile borders?

[@mydearfather5192]

what a stupid crap. India saw it because they deliberately want you to see it. It's a display of power. And also to hide the true stealth capabilities of the aircraft. Only a pure idiot or an arrogant fool would make its true abilities known to the public

[@chromazome501]

Stealth is not designed to keep you invisible at all times. It's more so designed to keep the enemy from radar lock on you and it does this by the radar cross section being extremely small. The smaller the better, but on radar it would look like something really small blip in and out of existence. Because it's impossible to completely erase your radar cross section something will always blip in and out of radar. The United States has perfected the tech with the F-22 and B-2 bomber. They are still picked up on radar, but not long enough to actually track them and get a kill. So it's a game of whack-a-mole. Besides, DARPA does not release their best tech to the public in the United States. If planes like the F-22 were produced in the 80s - 90s, then you can almost bet that whatever they have now that is hidden is super advanced. Those people get paid an astronomical amount of money every year to remain 50 years ahead of the curve.

[@ApplePotato]

I think this is a fair comparison. But stealth planes main goal is avoid ground based radars and weapon systems. Some stealth plane have large radar cross section when looking from the top. So a difference in altitude might negate some of the stealth advantages. Just to respond to some Indian comments down below, most stealth fighter are equipped with a lunberg lens. This increases the radar cross section to aid in tracking and avoid problems with civilian aircraft traffic control. Both the F35 and J20 has them. F35 flying to airshows are routinely tracked by civilian aircraft controllers with conventional radar.

[@bordergore7623]

Georgia the state vs Georgia the country I’ll never quit!

[@jyashin]

Georgia the country would win easily. They don't marry their sisters :) ... Look I know it's about Alabama and not Georgia, but just roll with it k?

[@777Outrigger]

Air Force Chief of Staff General David Goldfein has compared the J-20 to the F-117, which reportedly had a radar cross section of .025 M2 . If true, the J-20 stealth level is first generation. .... And thanks for pointing out that that the USAF is now saying the F-35 is more stealthy than the F-22 at .0001M2.

[@tanberetO]

Just keep in mind that the J-20 is made in China. I bought one off Ali Baba for 35,000.

[@ArghastOfTheAlliance]

I don't know which one is better, and I definitely don't trust the comment section experts, but what I am fairly sure about is that J-20 looks way cooler than F-35.

[@marshalmontez6795]

Arghast junk 20 looks terrible big target

[@ArghastOfTheAlliance]

@@marshalmontez6795 Well, it's bigger because it's a two-engine fighter.

[@ifardedandshidded5519]

lol

[@everythingtoknow8809]

DoNt wOrry J20 iS for Agriculture not WAR :

[@noriakikakyoin6557]

zhanhu department?

[@aussieboy4090]

@Nuclear Gandhi How? Where are the similarities?

[@aussieboy4090]

@syed musa :O WOW, DAM CHINESE! THEIR JET EVEN HAVE MISSILES AND A JET ENGINE!!! 100% COPY!

[@NBblowyouup71]

@@aussieboy4090 He's got a reason to be skeptical, Lockheed Martin was hacked several times by China, it was all over the news when it happened.

[@waszkreslem9306]

@@NBblowyouup71 either Chinese are much more advanced in cyber warfare thus are able to make f35 useless as Chinese can hack them before even they will be combat effective or Chinese are cabable of building own 5th gen plane. Choose one. Either option shows that Chinese are capable to be a threat to the US hegemony.

[@TDavis-ml6kl]

I keep picking up J-20's on my baby monitor

[@jsimwa]

😂😂😂😂 baby 👶 monitor hilarious

[@garygranite3603]

brilliant :)

[@TDavis-ml6kl]

@@theguywithcoolpens6466 grounded J-20's are ok!

[@steelgear3876]

J20 stealth is practically nonexistent according to the Indian Airforce so the detection argument is somewhat moot. Especially due to sensor fusion which allows the F35 to detect and engage targets with the radar turned off. The J 20 is not able to do that and would have to rely on active radar to find the F35 which would give away their position. It’s a little like using a torch in dark room to find someone but everyone can see you. Note that active radar waves can be traced back to their source.

[@marcbachelet2322]

Yes, the genius Indian air force said that they detected j20 several kilometers away with Su30 MKI's radar. Actually I also possess a kind of "optical radar" to detect J20 several kilometers away. It's called eyes.

[@total_epicness6776]

incoming salty no profile picture accounts trying to start WW3 in the comments section

[@MNanme1z4xs]

Most of these are e-mercs from Taiwan, usually larping as Angus.

[@paffycat]

Oh look, here's some estimated numbers where we compare a multi-role fighter vs an air superiority fighter where there's barely anything known of coming from either side. LEt'S drAw A vErDicT

[@whoareyouyouareclearlylost323]

And don't forget that the jet could be made from cardboard boxes and still rival f-35, euro typhoon, su-27 and up..

[@daviddebroux4708]

In your defence, yeah, it isn't really that fair to compare a multi-role fighter to a air superiority fighter (simply because it isn't apples-to-apples), but even a multi-role fighter--as the name implies--can still fight in the air: it is not specialised in any specific task, and, therefore, may not always excel at it; the same idea--regarding the latter statement--could still apply to any military aircraft being given the "fighter" (or "air superiority fighter") designation. It's better to be a multi-role fighter (despite the fact that they have a specific loadout per individual sortie) than to be a "specialist"; their uses can be nearly endless and implies flexibility. However, that does not mean multi-role fighters are end all, be all.

[@superfamilyallosauridae6505]

Both are multi-role. J-20 will be flying around with smart bombs and anti-ship missiles in a few years. F-35's IOC was just AMRAAMs and maybe Paveways? In any case, they're both multirole and will both be used for all roles. And while we know very little of J-20, we know a LOT about F-35. You're literally less accurate than Binkov, with a 50% falsehood rate.

[@mickeyg7219]

@@daviddebroux4708 Multi-role fighter doesn't implies sacrificing certain advantages of an air superiority fighter. The only major difference between an air superiority fighter and multi-role fighter is that a multi-fighter also have more sensors and targeting system for ground attack. So multi-role fighters are usually heavier because it carries more avionics, as F-15E and F-18E/F are heavier than F-15C and F-18C/D. Most countries do not have a dedicated air superiority fighter, so they often buy multi-role fighters such as F-16. But F-16 is also known for its dogfighting capability as it's was its original design. Multi-role fighters are the main workhorse of the air power, and stays relevant throughout the conflict where air superiority fighters are only cost-effective in the opening of the war, but once you gained air superiority, its role diminished greatly. If we pinned F-22 against the F-35, the kill ratio should be roughly equal, as the F-22's only advantage is its maneuverability, but F-35 has much more defensive suit and sensors, and it can also use helmet to target in HOB mode (F-22 pilots currently use conventional helmet).

[@casbot71]

@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 Thanks to poor cybersecurity the Chinese (and presumably the Russians) know a lot about the F-35.

[@Feed_The_Fink]

The F-22 just entered the chat

[@zerofucks3392]

The amount of research, time and effort that goes into each video is incredible. Excellent channel.

[@liushenster]

I come from China, my grandparents and parents have been working in China's military factories for 50 years. They told me China was not able to develop any fighter without Russia's help (shit tech also). Here is my information: J1－Lavochkin La-9 J2－Lavochkin La-11 J3－MiG-9 J4－MiG-15 J5－MiG-17 J6－MiG-19 J7－MiG-21 J8－MiG-21 J9－failed J10 －IAI Lavi(from Isarel) J11 －Su-27 J12－ failed J13 －failed J14 －failed J15 －Su-33 J16 －Su-30 J17 －Su-34 ... J20 －Wow! God help China! Ha Ha Ha

[@lastchangdepapa1247]

I come from China, I think ur grand parent was sacked in my grandparent company, that’s why u Tok shit

[@user-dq2dg7nv7j]

Lucky Boy you are right，from China（战忽局工作很成功）

[@Darth-pv5nm]

Forgot one thing.......the difference between American to Chinese pilots, no competition.

[@xXArnOdu974Xx]

How do you know that american pilots are better than their chinese counterparts ?

[@thebigsad5402]

@@xXArnOdu974Xx It can be debatable, but its known fact the US military has some of the best training.

[@yelu905]

Johnny Dotson Training: booming goats

[@f1hotrod527]

I am sure the J-20 has jamming systems. The rudder probably jams, the ailerons probably jam, the landing gear probably jams;)

[@SaltineChips]

ahh, I see what you did there. Or should I say, what *we* did there? *Plays Chinese communist anthem*

[@avery1647]

@@SaltineChips ah yes comrade- I mean fellow united communist people's

[@ManuelPinner]

J in J20 means Junk 20,

[@kansasjayhawk8386]

I put my money on the F35. But that's my opinion. After all, im not an expert like everyone in the comments section.

[@Krebssssssss]

Proud Jayhawk haha! Best comment. I mean, my few hours of Google searching means I know vastly more than the seasoned fighter pilots who fly it, the engineers who spent years designing it, and the US military who’s philosophy guided its design.

[@GAFflyer]

Two concepts that were left out of this video is, which would be another advantage for F-35, are Data Link and Sensor fusion. Really only one aircraft, being it F-35 or supporting AWACS would need to have its Radar on. All other 35's would share the data in real time and could acquire their targets totally silent. If performed perfectly, the first sign of trouble for the J-20 would be the AMRAAMS radar locking them up.

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

If you're not aware, Su-35 is capable of sharing data with each other or other aircraft. Just like Su-27 or Mig-31. I'm more than sure that J-20 has datalink as this technology is not new at all

[@bruceu2274]

Lockheed Martin is currently working on the new AIM-260 missile. It has a higher range, higher speed and of course more modern sensors and technology than the AMRAAM. Total game changer for the USAF and the F-35

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

@@bruceu2274 i'm sure china works on new missiles as well

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

@@user-qn3xu5ee3t The level at which it's applied is very different on the F-35. The F-35 can guide missiles for other platforms for example (HIMARS, AEGIS...), which hasn't been done before to any comparable extent.

[@janhansen3753]

@@ivanlagrossemoule Why do you need to compare? And what is it you want to compare with? Do you expect PLAAF will give all secrets away tomorrow or? Russia have had multi platform tracking for some years now (They can even use civilian radars for tracking which is a grey zone), why wouldn't China have the same?

[@RaiderMXV]

f-35 are being paired with the new f-15ex's, so the f-35's are the spotters while the f-15's are the killers. The f-15 stay at maximum range and use the f-35's for stealth spotting. This would wreck other air in my opinion, but you can decide :D

[@tomwhitworth1560]

Yup, it's a very potent partnership indeed

[@moonman3213]

So, in beast mode f35 can carry 14 or so aim120d missiles and can fire a salvo of about 4-6 at a time? Now, with the low payload of f22 raptors and current uplink, the f-35 (from safe distance since it cannot be stealthy with all those missiles) fires a salvo of 6 missiles and have 6 f-22 (already used up weapons yet still undetected by enemy, and also still tracking multiple targets) take over those missiles, each one engaged with its own target. F-35 now stealthy with no more missiles can RTB and also have x2 aim9x sidewinder for self defense in internal weapons bay. F35 platform was worth it!

[@zippyparakeet1074]

@@moonman3213 idk what you're on about; the major problem with the F22 is that it can't share data with F-35. All 22s can "talk" to each other but they don't have additional space to install the suite required to make them compatible with the F-35s. That's one of the many reasons why production of F-22s has ceased and they're now to be retired in the coming decade.

[@jimmymartino5433]

@@zippyparakeet1074 That and the Pylons for the F-35’s extra missiles would still be attached to the airframe, so it’s stealth wouldn’t really work that well, if at all, at that point

[@RobinPhillips1957]

@@tomwhitworth1560 You got to love the F35, Red Flag kill ratio, 78/1

[@wetcat833]

This video made me give up on your channel. Firstly the F35 is designed to be totally integrated with every unit on the field of battle with instant information sharing creating a totally new class of air warfare. Secondly the J20 is an old experimental MIG 1.44 that was first designed in the '80s. The Russians gave up on it as it was a failure. The Chinese made some cosmetic changes to the nose and air intakes and called it a 5th generation fighter when it hardly deserves to be called 4th generation. The Chinese still have not been able to develop an engine for it and as you stated, are using old MIG engines, leaving them severely under powered and hard to maintain. The operational statistics of the J20 that you stated are a Chinese fantasy that they hope to one day achieve. The few that are flying are used as propaganda and are far from battle ready, while the F35 is currently in active service with participating air forces around the world. As things realistically stand a F16 would have no problem dealing with the J20 providing the J20 doesn't crash before it reaches the battle field.

[@andyxu3731]

yes yes..You army also said U2 and F117 can't be shot down..but even North Korea have theywreckage..lol lol...

[@roannesarabia657]

@@andyxu3731 and why is Russia and China was so in a hurry to look for the debris of japan's f35 when it crashed....???? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@user-iy7fc4ul8n]

The j-20 is just a Chinese agricultural plane, why are you comparing it to a fighter? That's too much.

[@user-jx1mw4wb3n]

Not many people know this. But to be honest., Its true. My company owns one. Very nice plane and can carry a lot of pesticides.

[@yuncheng1829]

zhan hu ju de tong zhi hao

[@adampaula1863]

@@user-jx1mw4wb3n at least they have managed to build stealth plane where not even europe came close to build it

[@Bandit_Sudo]

@Cj Priebe You must be disabled

[@rinharter7758]

Wait you're Chinese but you said that J-20 from your own country is just a metal scrap??

[@tsvetomirmitov2835]

J-20 looks like the illegitimate love-child of F-117 and F-35.

[@myusername3689]

Nah rafale and F-22 And it’s worse than both of those

[@lordspaghettifan5300]

In the words of an Indian Military Radar Technician during an interview: "We would like Chinese to continue to believe that their planes are invisible on our radars"

[@lebaoliu9038]

And we would like to tell you that we would like the unknown people to believe that their Indian ¨experts¨ tell them J-20 is not low-detectable that they can see that on the radar.:)

[@ci2503]

当然，我一直都相信印度是世界第一强国，毋庸置疑

[@mbaxter22]

I want to believe.

[@jaredgarbo3679]

You know they dont keep them stealthy at all times for testing purposes and not to expose their technology?

[@apollo-eu4fk]

I don’t think you get how stealth works they can’t turn it on and off hahaha . The hide their missiles in bays . Stealth comes from material on panels that reflects the radar they can’t turn it off

[@jimmay1988]

The Indian Su-30s already detected the J-20 at a far distance with no special tuning to its radar. This was months ago. F-35s are also airspace data hubs for fleet reconnaissance, using their powerful sensors to coordinate every friendly force and missile towards the J-20s, while staying stealthy.

[@0411029]

Funny Indian press

[@peiranzhang4283]

Why is a J-20 flying near Indian airspace? Tibetan military district is always the worst equipped sector of the Chinese army, why are they given any J-20?

[@joshuagenes]

They may have items on them to make them detectable on purpose. In the US they would put things on the stealth planes so they could be detected by other planes and airports during peace time and then they take them off during war. This helps hide the true capabilities of the craft otherwise other countries would try to test it out by pinging it.

[@user-zo8hs4yh2h]

Detect or not, Pakistan shot down two Indian jets with Chinese J series😂

[@joshuagenes]

@@ivanlagrossemoule Oh I don't I was just trying to educate the original poster as to why they might be detectable. This is something the American's do and I would assume the Chinese would do the same.

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

I would suspect that the J-20's higher super sonic acceleration and air speed design elements in its fuselage are because it uses afterburner(s) for quick and brief burst of speed around Mach 1.5 to 1.8. This is older tech than what the F-22 and the F-35 use for their super sonic modes. It is also at a severe disadvantage if you have to withdraw or intercept.

[@debbies3763]

WW2 the mosquito use speed and a 57mm cannon, too just mangle any thing in front of it, absolutely fantastic to watch here on you tube!

[@77leny]

when india say that J 20 is crap then you know it is crap

[@Tyler_Owen23]

India spent years flying crap planes and hauling around the oldest aircraft in the world. If anyone knows when something is crap. It’s India lol

[@Krebssssssss]

The nature of modern warfare is changing. The way planes are designed now, and the level of sophistication of modern radar systems, essentially makes the way fighter jets operate now almost obsolete. Fighter jets can now see other fighter jets hundreds of kilometers away on radar, and can lock onto targets well out of visual range. Pilots now don't even have to be in the direction of enemy planes in order to shoot them down. Missiles can lock onto targets via helmet-mounted displays, so all the pilot has to do is look in the direction of an enemy fighter. Dogfighting is very, very difficult to do these days because of this, so maneuverability and top speeds don't mean much. What matters more is being able to stay undetected for as long as possible, and being able to see the enemy first, before they see you. This is where the F-35 excels. In addition, jet fighters need to be able to do more than just air-to-air missions. They have to be able to provide support to ground troops, do tactical bombing missions, and perform reconnaissance. The F-35 was built for a new era of warfare. It's almost like comparing a Ford Model T to a Lamborghini when you compare a fifth-generation fighter to a Cold-War era fighter design, like most 4th gen fighters are.

[@mydearfather5192]

You think you're the only one who knows this common sense but the country that has won the international medal table in mathematics, physics and information every single year don't know it? 😂 The J-20 is the new-era design, built specifically to gain air superiority. It has greater combat range, higher speed and supersonic cruise capability, greater weapons load, a larger radar radius, and longer detection range, all of which mean victory in over-the-vision air combat, and Carrier Killer

[@Krebssssssss]

@@mydearfather5192 You mean the same country that has to steal all of their technology? They had to buy the Su-35 from Russia in order to replicate it. They stole the F-35 designs and built it into the J-20 and FC-31 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_FC-31)So yes, apparently, they couldn't figure it out. Knowing math and physics is one thing, but knowing how to apply them is something else entirely. The Iranians and every nuclear scientist in the world knows how a nuclear bomb works, but knowing how to build one is different. The "technical specs" you point out are suspect, as they aren't independently verified. And I'm sorry, but I don't take anything the Chinese say at face value. Maybe you do, but that's your problem. The F-35 has been purchased by several nations, and if they couldn't be verified, we would have known by now. The F-35 has been sold since 2016. And even if the numbers you flout are true, the jet isn't believed to even have AESA radars. And not only that, the J-20 was observed on Indian radars several hundred miles away as they skirted their borders, and were spotted quite easily. So much for stealth.

[@mydearfather5192]

@@Krebssssssss India saw the plane because they deliberately want you to see it. Google Luneberg reflector. It's a display of power, as well as to hide the true stealth capabilities of the aircraft. Only a pure idiot or an arrogant fool would make its true specs known to the public.

[@MadM0nte]

"Few F-22s in existence" tfw when there are more F-22s than Su-35s, and more F-22s than every other stealth fighter combined (excluding the F-35 ofc).

[@cavinhannahs1879]

There are going to be thousands of F-35, and less than 200 F-22 I think that is what he meant

[@hiteshadhikari]

118 f22 are for combat an over a dozen of those were damaged, they also have less than 50% serviceability and are deployed globally

[@reneegiese6315]

HITESH ADHIKARI This is more. than the Rest of the world together has. Or?

[@hiteshadhikari]

@@reneegiese6315 what's the use of 5th gen? It will work against a small nation for sure but against sophisticated enemy with multiple sensors and multiple radar stations, stealth is not as invincible

[@MadM0nte]

There's been like four crashes so the fleet's sitting at 183 right now, war is the final step in escalation, they'll have plenty of time to get those numbers up when peace time is drawing to a close. Anyway 5th-gen is better than something that isn't 5th-gen lol. And don't give me that Russian sour grapes nonsense, 5th-gen was built with sophisticated enemies in mind, and all of the USA's "sophisticated" enemies are building them, just to much less success. It takes more than IADs to defend and air space and more than 5th-gen to crack one. Invincibility is, as always, a myth for public consumption. Stealth buys you time track, target, and kill the other guy before they can do the same.

[@user-zo8hs4yh2h]

Wow the comment section is full of experts! 🙄

[@MNanme1z4xs]

They hacked into military base from home.

[@MNanme1z4xs]

@Bryan Thomas Woo, wo wo. I don't know Lockheed hire cheerleaders. Why don't you go apply for an aerospace engineer, if everybody's resume has stealth plane in it.

[@zebazvikle9582]

Oh chinese non-jewish. Very original. I´m not expert, and a secret, there are not experts, the publications of defense magazines, creates the concept, but the designer of weapons helped by computers, and some scientific (rare) they are human and common people, obvious don´t lose the time with dummies. The aircraft has 80,000 parts, because of that reverse engineering is very dificult, any student of air engineering can build an aircraft, the institute gives him all the tools, but the aircraft subjected at the worst conditions, is work of a few genious. The wings area, the AoA, the g´s supported in angle of turn, ohhh I forget the engine the spirit of all the planes! Ok if you want get crazy with science contact me, I´m on vacation, in the Argentina, land of my wife. I don´t care if you believe or not about my profesion, enjoy my free time a piety I can´t not use the asigned Rafale the 4-FH , or my former 113-H for a low overflight, si descubren quien soy, datos, mision en libia con super etendard SEM-5, y al final Mirage F-1 CR, otro dato el ser provenzal je. C apitaine, armée de l'air, proche la retraite, les annes passent et je ne pense pas obtenir un rang superieur. En honor a mi todavia bella esposa los mocosos que miran como magico lo que no se esforzaron en solo intertarlo, y despues opinan leyendo algunas cosas sueltas, como autoritades. Me voy a aburrir en mi retiro, tal vez me pase a piloto civil, pero mi esposa celosa me lo prohibe

[@user-zo8hs4yh2h]

@@zebazvikle9582 How long did it take you to write this comment? Cause I'm not reading everything ==

[@MNanme1z4xs]

@@zebazvikle9582 Finally someone understand you cant copy an 'F22' from appearance, that way, any toy factory will do. J20 is an awesome plane. Disregard how it compared to F22 F35, Future block equip more powerful engine will make it even more deadly.

[@phillipschneider1965]

Well the Russian call it the floppy fish and they can detect it ,also the India say they also can detect it and they don't feel they are fear it . Now if it was as good as the Chinese says it is they would be using it more . I feel it's only for show.

[@griffin_5979]

The question of this video is like comparing off brand to name brand.

[@Legatus]

Shouldn't the comparison be made between F22 with J20 or F35 with J31 instead? F35 and J20 are not built for the same role.

[@technatezin]

j-25 ghost bird.

[@technatezin]

@Ross Kuehl-Martin Multi-role planes are a misnomer. They make trade-offs to gain useful features for planes intended to perform very different roles making the plane a jack of all trades, but a master of nothing.

[@PolishStalker]

I think it's better to compare J-20 and F-22.

[@bruceu2274]

@Dr ROLFCOPTER! The F-35 had a 20/1 Kill/Loss ratio in exercises against non stealth modern US fighters, the Red Flag exercise has shown that the F-35s stealth is a huge game changer. The Gripen does not have stealth and lets be real, the F-35 has advanced situational awareness thanks to more modern sensors and 360 degree cameras.

[@georgedang449]

@@bruceu2274 Red Flag is a setup, in case you haven't noticed. The F-35 was told ahead of time where the F-16s will come and how they're configured. Canadians ran simulations of F-35s against equal number of nearly half a century old cold war era Su-27 airframes. It was almost a 1:1 kill ration. Look up the specs, Su-27 pulls 7 gs more, supercruise capable, and is just a superior handling airframe. Stealth and able to strike first was the only reason F-35 didn't get wiped. Against F-22 it would be a whole different story.

[@bruceu2274]

@@georgedang449 Red Flag is a exercise where 2 fictional countries fight against each other in a realistic scenario, Red Flag is considered the best annual air combat exercise because of that. Your claims are either made up or outdated. Your simulated fight against SU-27 is strange as Canada obviously doesn't have SU-27s and I call BS unless you come up with facts. The SU-27 has no chance whatsoever against the F-35, the F-35 has stealth, better sensors, excellent situational awareness and better missiles. Exercises have shown (Fact) that the F-35 can't be detected by radar unless it's very close and Russian radars are generally worse than American ones. The maneuverability of the SU-27 is good for airshows but in reality it will be destroyed before it can use it, even if the F-35 can be outfitted with the AIM-9X missile which can fire at 90 degree angles so the F-35 doesn't need the enemy to be in front of it. Just a couple days ago Lockheed Martin reported that they are working on a new air to air missile called the AIM-260 it will have higher speed, higher range and of course better sensors and technology than current missiles. If that missile gets introduced it's game over for every opponent. Edit: putting in some links. The last one even debunks your scripted exercise statement. amp.businessinsider.com/italian-pilots-raved-about-first-red-flag-exercise-with-us-made-f-35-2019-4 taskandpurpose.com/air-force-f35-red-flag-exercise theaviationist.com/2019/02/16/the-first-reports-of-how-the-f-35-strutted-its-stuff-in-dogfights-against-aggressors-at-red-flag-are-starting-to-emerge/

[@allsome5675]

@@georgedang449 When did the Canadians get Su27? they don't even have a 35 yet XD

[@kansasjayhawk8386]

@@georgedang449 How long did this take you to write? Lol

[@tobyli52]

Ability of vertical take off for the F35 is a major major advantage, especially when there is no runway to take off or land after initial missile bombardment

[@Felix-dv9wn]

Tbh, it doesnt really benefit US on anyway since they will be mostly taking off from carriers, so there is no need for vertical takeoff since your runway is carriers, not airbase. And once carriers got bombed, they will go back to repair and wont stay to let the f35 takeoff

[@ace7843]

I agree as the first major target in a war is runways and the ability to no use them is a huge advantage. Just look at the mustard video on Germany’s failed vtol and you’ll see why

[@crazyt1ger08]

The F 35 has the Sidekick system that now allows it to carry six missiles internally......

[@ganggang5643]

not yet

[@mikeyvee27]

granted its the newest planes compared, but shouldn't the j-20 be compared to the f-22, as they are both air superiority fighters?

[@MadManMattt]

F-22 is still America's go to plane for air to air, it was built solely for it. America's air to ground planes are aging and non-stealth, so America built F-35 to have a modern stealth jet with ground attack capacity.

[@josefaschwanden1502]

Yea

[@mickeyg7219]

Well, from what I can recollect, F-15C seems to still be doing most of the air-to-air/interceptor role for the US. F-16 sometimes do the interception as well. Just like the F-15E, F-16, and F-18, the F-35 is designed to be the main workhorse for the US air power.

[@MadManMattt]

@@mickeyg7219 I'm sorry, I was being vague. US still uses it's older planes, being more numerous and cheaper to operate. My point was intended to be that F-22 is still US BEST air-air overall. And versus an opponent that could actually threaten the older planes, would be to go to jet fighter.

[@lyricaltraveller]

When you look at the aerodynamics of the J-20, it becomes obvious to anyone who knows anything about fluid dynamics that the J-20 is not maneuverable at all. It's flight surfaces and size screams bomber interceptor and nothing else. It was designed to climb high and intercept incoming bombers, but could never tangle with real fighters. It probably couldn't even beat a 3rd gen fighter. As far as stealth goes, it has none. Recently the Indian airforce using Russian Su-30s with older radars, picked up a number of J-20s flying inside the Chinese border. So any claim of stealth is propaganda at best. the bigger missiles give evidence of its bomber interceptor role.

[@ronaldwang9838]

【Recently the Indian airforce using Russian Su-30s with older radars, picked up a number of J-20s flying inside the Chinese border】is due to the Luneburg Lens J-20 used in non-combat transitions with other China non-stealth fighters just as the Luneburg Lens F-35 sometimes used. When stealth aircraft are flying in non-combat transitions, a Luneburg Lens is also generally temporarily installed to facilitate detection by the civil aviation control radar. I am not surprised that ordinary people know nothing about this, but I am deeply surprised that Indian Air Force didn't know this and made a such stupid judgement that they can see J-20 through SU-30MKI radar that will lead to fatal battlefield mistakes.

[@ronaldwang9838]

Coupling all-moving canard surfaces and twin outward canted all-moving fins, show that China designer has fully mastered such complicated aerodrodynamics of J-20. J-20 has the latest open source PAVE PACE Avionics system, it can get more powerful information integration capabilities, and it can integrate more variety of sensors or missile systems. J-20 has its over 400 kilometers triple-sided AESA radar operating range, and its over 300 kilometers air-to-air PL-15 missile range.

[@appa609]

It's a trade. The design is a lot like an oversized Viggen. If I had to bet I'd say it has poor energy retention in turns but good instantaneous turn and high AoA. I'd actually bet it's largely meant to be an Anti-Ship platform since that's the more relevant strategic threat to China. Nobody is really dumb enough to fly a (strategic) bomber over China unless all SAM's are already destroyed.

[@user-re3ym2rd2g]

The lighter wing loading however suggests the oposite Coupled with canards , I belive that the J 20 can be quite manueverable Keep in mind that gross weight and wing loading isnt much different from the f 22 , which is very manueverable.

[@reeeec]

Best comments in this thread

[@bloodyblade916]

thanks for the videos sir,you're doing a fine job.

[@johnerelmacahilig5912]

Sorry, but I prefer to the Sopwith camel

[@daviddebroux4708]

Ugh, those death machines? Yikes.

[@user-bz5iy9oy2q]

We use J20 for agriculture, not for army

[@ycyang2698]

True, it works well in my grandpa’s rice fields, so he has got rid of the cattle

[@edloki3057]

I'm curious. Why do you say that? What is the origin of this joke?

[@ycyang2698]

Ed Loki China is just a panda, all claws and teeth are used for bamboo. Trust me

[@user-ni7yk7uv1k]

意义何在，涨他人威风？

[@coconutz7699]

@@edloki3057 Because any Chinese weapon will be compared and attacked by Western media, so we made this joke to satisfy you guys .

[@AndreGrandier]

It reminds me of the time the US was frightened over the Mig-25, only to discover that it wasn't as capable as they supposed...

[@felixleong61]

That one was wild. I was reading the history of the F-15 and thinking " If the Soviets are overexaggerating the Mig-25's performance as a super maneuverable fighter when it is actually an interceptor, what if the Americans made something that is actually that good?" and then those darn Yankees managed to do it in a few short years with the F-15 being one of the most successful fighter programs lol.

[@sypherthe297th2]

The US's enemies need to stop trying to scare the crap out of a nation that can spend almost a trillion dollars on defense a year and has avvess to the best minds in the world because we'll pay for the privilege. If they keep that up US is going to show up with the equivalent of an X-wing one of these days.

[@aaronfaucett6442]

Are you suggesting that the CCP is lying?? 😮😅

[@Fred_the_1996]

it worked as an interceptor, the US simply thought it was maneuverable

[@qwertyuiop1234567180]

One thing that a lot of channels have missed is the difference between the same equipment from different countries. The US normally has significantly modified/upgraded versions of the equipment compared to the exported versions

[@GreyWolfLeaderTW]

95% of this video is "J-20's data is unknown". What we need is a Chinese fighter pilot to defect with a complete J-20 to allow US and allies to perform test trials and examination of the plane.

[@prog1853]

This is like comparing a Yak-9 to a F-86

[@reeeec]

This is a military channel people, not stupid political comments

[@ParallelComparison]

Live with it

[@abdulshakoor5652]

👍

[@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter]

This whole video and average comment: we don't know anything about J-20, but F-35 is better.

[@Dysputant]

Wartunder is free to play. Just remember to play 12h per day to grind up tier lines.

[@bryandepaepe5984]

In WW2 the German tanks were better than the Americans but in the end it didn't matter because there are so many other factors that decide what is "better".

[@andyofzz]

Right, and comparing who has better fighter jets between the US and China is almost pointless, if those 2 nuclear powerhouse going to start a war....good luck humanity

[@RB-rp6ud]

Your assessment could be wrong, coz the J20 has hardly been seen in action or really been displayed in air shows.

[@LeoMkII]

maaaaaaaaan, this channel rocks!! great video, super neutral and well explained, you have a new sub

[@myhometechguy]

It does seem like a fair assessment being what information is available.

[@IloveDoubleD]

J20 was identified flying over Tibet by Indian radar. It's about s stealthy as a 747.

[@zebazvikle9582]

Is an exageration (forgive my bad english I´m french Captain of the Armee de l´Air ( Air Force of France), In many excercises my precious Rafale detects witch optonric+ IRST the F-35 too, the american fellas do not get mad they take notes for improves the plane that is the difference. When they fixed the problems they will saves the lifes of the outstanding pilots of the USA, the combat is full / overcharged of electronic noise, is not a happy adventure, the pilots do not act alone, acts with electronic support ( E-3 Sentry, the another pilots of the squadron, and support from surface), The Rafale is multirrol but the reduced number is a trouble for denial of aerial space of enemies, in F-35 case, the range (attack objetives far inland is not possible, if you add external tanks of fuel increase the RCS, but the americans are very good in solutions. For the luck of NATO against a Reborn Russia. We failed against Lybia, we suffer lack of tomahawks, stand-off weapons, but USA appears and destroy the rest of Gaddafi Air defense system, and put Predators for patrol zones 24 hs, Gaddafi understtod "All is lost". The Nato have in USA the backbone, only France, the british, and secondary actors Italy and Spain. Germany is reforming his power.

[@IloveDoubleD]

@@zebazvikle9582 The F35 has already proven it's stealth flying into Iraq and performing missions. J20 has not. And indeed the F35 is detectable but less so than the J20. And it doesn't have to be completely undetectable just enough to lose a missiles radar tract. The F35 is a good aircraft but it doesn't compare to the F-22. And the F35 is for export, the U.S. isn't going to hand over it's premier aircraft to just anyone, if they are supposedly allies.

[@zebazvikle9582]

@@IloveDoubleD Well, France the anti-american has Rafale, (i´m not complain is magnificent)

[@zebazvikle9582]

The 100 % stealth is not possible, there are reductions of RCS or radar signature. The Rayleigh Effect, and others, explains about the transformations, like Lorentz, Riemann, and the cuantics. The question is to find the way of amplification of the weak radiaton of an F-35, and logarythms for the velocity of reaction. Obvious the sun irradiates the plane, the sun has visble light, IR, UV, and a minimum of X Rays, the radar uses microwaves, the BVR ones uses Ionosphere like mirror, But the resonance, termical noise, based in Max Planck is not posible hide them. But the sky is big and sensor are not so sensitive. Well is hard science, the point if your plain is less vissible to the radar, is a good advantage, make the active missiles perhaps discard your aircraft, the SARH missiles depends of the aircraft radar but the plane get exposed to other enemies, in the sky all is so fast, is better in all be less detectable than other. More in a war where is a place infested of noise, electric al waves, is a dense place.

[@pixelwortel9578]

@@IloveDoubleD an Israëli f 35 was nearly shot down by a syrian s200. I hope the new versions are not as floppy as the Israëli ones

[@thebesttheworldhastoofferchann]

F-22s fleet of 187 is very large by current 5th gen standards and won't be outnumbered for years by anything but the f-35. Also f-22s can be deployed around the pacific to cover f-35s and everything else so acting like they aren't a factor is strange. Aim-120D may have less range but it's a more mature design and has much more experience and testing than pl-15. Also if it's smaller and slower it may be less detectable. Aim-120 also benefits from being fed information from the best sensors and network of any other fighter which one would think would raise it's effectiveness. There is not much known about pl-15 but I am taking claims at face value. Aim-9x benefits from being guided by datalink with block 2. F-35's DAS capability is known to make it difficult to get anywhere near f-35 without being detected and that info is fed into either aim9x or amraam. j-20 isn't known to have much in the way of IR suppression and should show up nicely and with it's current engines will heighten it's IR signature if it speeds up. The same is true for any fighter but it's worse for non super cruising engines. Also f-35's helmet give additional situational awareness than to simply tell the the missile what direction to go. J-20 tries to compensate for all that by being able to hang the non datalink guided missiles out so it's sensor can get the look it needs but that has a signature and drag penalty as well as pl-10 still can't attack targets behind j-20 like aim9 can. Since f-35 has superior stealth and sensors and most likely networking as well and a gun the odds of an f-35 getting behind j-20 seem high. Not much is known about j-20s sensors but they are no slouch I would assume and would at least match 4th or maybe 4.5 gen fighters, same goes for software and networking as china does not have a history of fielding systems like that but they are developing quickly. Also j-20 likely doesn't have the "spike management" software that has taken a long time to develop for f-22/35. So even with the inferior stealth it has it probably isn't as optimized as it could be to know when and where it can be detected. This amount of information gives f-22/35 an advantage but how much can't be known. Also US fighters probably have at least some advantage in both LPI methods to stay stealthy as well as electronic warfare. These things are the more sophisticated parts of a stealth plane, more difficult to engineer than stealthy looking shaping or some sort of radar absorbing coating. Little is known about either but j-20 is the newcomer. At close range f-35 is much more likely to detect first and set the engagement how they want. Also f-35 is not is sluggish as some have suggested and little has been seen with j-20's maneuverability, also j-20 doesn't seem to have a gun. As it stands now it seems j-20 closes the gap in capabilities but a gap still remains and is outclassed by f-35. It's hard to make verdicts with limited information.

[@RW-zn8vy]

The Best The World Has To Offer Channel the F-35 has already outnumbered the F-22

[@bobafett4015]

Summary: J-20 = Chinese photocopy of f-35+f22

[@rajdeepsingh9378]

Pilot training... there are thousands of points to be made... US out classes them... they are battle tested for how many years...

[@Kevin-fj5oe]

Well, apparently they have masses of quick learner and won't have much trouble trained them. And literally disposable human resources

[@MrJaman0083]

Fifth generation fighters are not disposable

[@favoritevideo7263]

Killing children is not training my friend ,you will face highly trained pilots

[@SouravBagchigoogleplus]

But India’s Russian jets achieved a surprising 9:1 kill ratio against USAF. theaviationist.com/2014/05/02/cope-india-2004-results/

[@razathewanderer]

Never battle tested They were never tested against sukhoi 5th generation or some other stealth aircraft They were tested on un armed people

[@mver191]

I have a Chinese friend who was in the army. But even he says that Chinese stuff is sometimes very good on paper, but break down all the time in the field. He said about 1 of 10 fighters were operational, and sometimes they had to switch weapons multiple times during target practice because they jam and break down all the time. It's an army with Ali-Express equipment. Kinda like those Chinese phones that advertise with 80 megapixel cameras, but have a cheap chinese plastic lens, last 30 minutes on battery, and have outdated internal hardware.

[@playlistx8209]

We still don't know much about the j-20.

[@bogdanbogdanoff5164]

Every comparison of consumer tech to critically important military equipment is a full on, layperson-idiocy.

[@playlistx8209]

@Turbocharched Petrolhead Bro send that video these guys don't know what the hell they are talking about.

[@cdgncgn]

China even 10 years ago and China today are different things.

[@bozidarmilinkovic2171]

Are u sure about phones? I have Huawei mate 20 lite,my battery last for 24 hours, not 30 minutes.

[@Tootsilog1]

Let us remember that the J20 was tracked by the Indian Air Force using basic radar while the Israeli F35I were bombing Syrian targets with impunity. The engine of the J20 is also a big question. While the F35 is beginning to establish is superiority, the J20 still has a lot to prove, making the F35 better than J20.

[@wenqiweiabcd]

All the articles I read say that senior Indian defence officials claim that the Su-30mki "can probably pick up J20 from many kilometres away depending on its headings". And then it turns into "J20 reportedly spotted by Su-30mki" in the title somehow.

[@siyangliu303]

F35 a single engine versus J20? I think American need to pay some respect to Chinese engineers. The problem of engines will go way one day just like what 5g races turned out to be.

[@tjti2631]

The J20 isn’t even a 5th generation plane yet .

[@largelampard3721]

@@siyangliu303 Yeah, probably 20 years later. J20 should be compared with F-15. F-35 is far more advanced than J20. China will ultimately loses 5g race. Just like every things else.

[@ezz3274]

Your comment somehow reminds me of this news: India claimed they detect Chinese drone, China said go ahead and shoot them down, eventually Indian found out what they detected are planets. Here is the source: www.theverge.com/2013/7/27/4561422/indian-army-tracks-suspected-chinese-drones-discovers-theyre-planets

[@Fifthmiracle]

The F-35 is a mature stealth design with a lineage over 50+ years old, serving in an Air Force with 30+ years of experience in stealth operations. The USAF has thousands and thousands of hours of actual combat experience. China can't produce a native turbofan engine and are forced to rely on under-powered Russian jet engines; which have terrible reliability compared to western designs, which easier to maintain and have far longer service lives. The F-35 with its next block upgrade will carry 6 AMRAAM missiles internally. When the Small Advanced Capabilities Missile (SACM) is available that number will increase to potentially 12 medium range anti-air missiles carried internally.

[@yourlocalsracomrade9324]

No but WASR 10, yes

[@bloodharrier3333]

If the J-20 didn’t need the canards for stability, it wouldn’t have them. They are added due to a poorly engineered thrust vectoring system and inadequate stability at intermediate speeds.

[@mbr8167]

This guy gets it.

[@dwyderdom]

Its also a very heavy fighter so the canards are needed

[@tadoshka5170]

3 Kind of people in this comment section 1. Those who want to seek knowledge 2. American & Chinese Fuckboi 3. Ordinary People who accidentally stumble upon this video

[@tadoshka5170]

@Brian Cross Actually I'm more of #3 XD

[@philipwidmaier3567]

I think theres not enough information about the J-20 in order to make an accurate comparison. Interesting video though as always.

[@looinrims]

Doesn’t matter, other militaries have to compare themselves to it regardless of their knowledge

[@josephkool8411]

So much has changed since this video was made

[@user-nr6up7xt9b]

J-20 is a copy of every fighter jet in the world. It has a cockpit, a radar and two wings just like every fighter jet🤯

[@bf799]

China timidly said: I copy your stuff, you haven't produced it yet。Trump: wrong

[@levelazn]

every weapon is a copy of chinese rocket and gun powder

[@banegas0411]

@@levelazn *wrong*

[@levelazn]

@@banegas0411 Chinese invented gun powder and rockets. It’s all Chinese copies

[@banegas0411]

@@levelazn they invented their own ill use the 14th century as an example europe already had been using gunpowder and to little trade was conducted between china and European nations for them to copy Chinese weapons or really know anything of china

[@Leoluvesadmira]

This just proves we need more F22s to do its role as air superiority fighter

[@dan7564]

Maybe. If the f-22's know where to find the j 20 for an actual dogfight then so does the f-35,s and they can justau ch their missiles from where ever they are. F35 radar technology is so good that it can lock on and fires missiles at targets behind it. The future won't be about skilled pilots dog fighting over the skies, it's about radars spotting threats and computers telling others to take it out from miles away. It's why top gun 2 made excuses to go back to old aircraft. Because next gen battles would be boring to watch.

[@cattledog901]

Block 4 F35 can carry 6 internal missiles you need to update your info.

[@Hdrghtfh]

Well...China is also working on PL-15 with foldable fins in order to carry 6 missiles in the central bay

[@bruceu2274]

The US is working on the AIM-260, its still top secret but its the direct competitor of the PL-15. Maybe it also comes with foldable fins which could allow the F-35 to carry even more than 6 missiles

[@jeffreymelton2200]

I love War Thunder. I like how you integrated the add into your video

[@Francis-ce1qb]

The Indians detected Chinese J20s doing training missions near the Himalayan mountains, so i would say that the J20s isn't all that stealthy

[@MMA-gb6to]

you need understand how luneburg lens work before commenting on a video about fighter jets

[@Francis-ce1qb]

@@MMA-gb6to it was detected by an Indian Su 30 with 90s technology lol

[@zingbop2418]

@@Francis-ce1qb I believe he’s talking about how a luneberg lens can be used to disable stealth capabilities during training missions. Meaning the j20s probably weren’t even trying to be stealth bois.

[@riccccccardo]

@@zingbop2418 yes f22 uses this to

[@feia5851]

@@zingbop2418 the story is that china use J10& J11 to fight with J20 on manoeuvre time , But J10& J11 can not find J20 , so J20 the luneberg lens(RCS Enhancers), why select Himalaya area. I think u know the border accidents. This is warnings.

[@hiratiomasterson4009]

China has indeed lagged behind the US in terms of electronics and software up until about the end of the 2000s. For the past 10 years, China has rapidly closed the gaps with both microprocessors and the software needed to manage and integrate complex systems, courtesy of a combination formalized technology transfer from Western civilian companies, research and cooperation between Chinese and Western Universities, espionage and increasingly internal pure R&D.

[@johnahearn4058]

Stealing parts of the F-35 development plans helped a bit too.

[@core3086]

Lets use official F35 specs against a J20 with no known specs but lets just assume its 10-20% better... WHAT??? Come on Binkov, you are better than this I really love the look of the J20 though. Sexy AF

[@tristinjudd2595]

@@Eyeofnelms The F-35 wasnt designed to be better than the F-22. Its was designed to be more of a ground attack fighter than air to air. The Air Force has stated that the F-35 and 22 are supposed to work side by side.

[@Eyeofnelms]

And, frankly, neither of these planes do that any better than the F-117. The F-22 is kinda blind as it lacks ground attack sensors, and the F-35 is so small that it can't carry any more bombs than the F-117 internally.

[@pxatm]

@@Eyeofnelms The F-117 was incapable of holding more than two Paveway II or III bombs internally, the F-35 is capable of carrying the equivalent weight of JDAM's or GPB's while also carrying A-A missiles internally, in addition, the F-35 has been purpose built to be a capable low-observable multirole aircraft even when carrying weapons externally. Further the F-35's sensor suite, which includes the newest advances in Synthetic Aperture Radars for ground surveillance, targeting and interdiction, as well as a networked warfare suite and airframe that makes the F-35 just as capable of a fighter as it is a ground attack aircraft. The F-117 was an unmaneuverable, slow and unreliable exclusively ground attack aircraft that depended entirely on its stealth to avoid detection because it largely lacked the ability to respond to confrontation. The F-35 and F-117 aren't even comparable outside of them both being aircraft with stealth capabilities.

[@pxatm]

@@Eyeofnelms Further the F-22 has performed the A-G role quite effectively in the past and is, unlike the F-117, capable of defending itself while attacking, and roles other than exclusively the destruction of preordained targets in contested environments.

[@thebesttheworldhastoofferchann]

@@Eyeofnelms SAR mode with apg-77 is a ground sensor. Also alr-94 can geolocate at least to some extent sam sights.

[@tccameron5643]

The biggest factor, is the pilot experience. The US Pilots have more flight time and most have combat experience. The US is also working on, each pilot of the F35, having a "swarm" of drones to control (with AI.) Drones could intercept/distract missiles, attack, and/or provide a further reach of radar (force multiplier.)

[@Shenstyle]

When was the last time US pilots fought against other pilots?

[@rumanda36]

@@Shenstyle the point being the USAF has a bottomless pit of wealth to draw on, not just domestically but often with cooperating with so many allies abroad. That intelligence makes up a significant portion of how they afford their pilots such a steep learning curve. China clearly trying to make up the difference quickly.

[@Shenstyle]

@@rumanda36 No, the point was : "US pilots have more flight time and most of them have combat experience" More flight time based on what? Most of them have combat experience? The video is about stealth fighter against stealth fighter. I don't think any US fighter jets ever been used for this kind of combat against farmers like Korea, Vietnam, Irak, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen or Libya. Stop bragging about imaginary know-how when all you did during the last 70 years was bullying and stealing poor and defenseless countries.

[@tomwhitworth1560]

@@Shenstyle Irrelevant. US pilots get several times the practice and airtime any of its competitors do. US pilots are the best in the world for that reason....practice.

[@tomwhitworth1560]

@@Shenstyle Umm what?! It is quite simple. If you have more practice at combat flying, you will be better at it. US pilots have several times the flight time under their belts compared to their competitors.... The US airforce spends waaaay more money training their pilots. The USAF is an air combat institution above all others in the world, categorically. And I'm not american. I'm British.

[@randomentertainingvideos3545]

5:28 So according to the video the J-20 is better on short runways but the F-35 can takeoff without a runway and still isn't as good with short ones. Riddle me that.

[@ddaazahh8064]

Let me try... I did some research on the F-35, and I found that a specific variant, the F-35B, is specifically designed to be able to do very short takeoff and vertical landing. The rest of the other variants, however, don't have such capability.

[@peilinma5825]

I am Chinese and I can assure you the canards make the jet easy to detect.

[@tentimesful]

J20 is probably less stealthy than F35, but its much faster...

[@sir_vix]

F35s can share targeting data with each other and compatible friendly forces, thereby limiting exposure from active radar use. The force can then coordinate fire upon targets to efficiently eliminate threats with minimal exposure to risk. The U.S. have recently experimented with using F35 targeting data to coordinate artillery fire; though there are significant communication, logistical and organizational issues which will need to be addressed before such action can be employed rapidly enough for time sensitive purposes, like suppressing enemy AA sites.

[@sir_vix]

Source: www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31471/f-35-cueing-artillery-to-take-out-air-defense-site-during-test-is-a-glimpse-of-the-future I'd also recommend this excellent video on the F35 (albeit with a particular focus on the Australian context): kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4LKf6qoqbuikJY

[@Dr.Westside]

2 years later and I'm still trying to figure out how different the radar cross section is of a metallic golf ball versus a regular golf ball .

[@TP-ie3hj]

Take them out of the box otherwise its the same.

[@user-zk6rx5nt9o]

the speed & altitude will be tremendously different. no point actually: it still can be detected.

[@dougkennedy4906]

Recent findings by India. J20 can be seen with regular radar.

[@steveperks7054]

Rarely does India make me smile, but today they did. That's awesome news!

[@NBblowyouup71]

Doug Kennedy Looks like that Chinese hacking of the F-35 program didn’t work out that well after all

[@workingonanames]

@@NBblowyouup71 hacking? I thought they captured some of the tech.

[@limcharles9730]

lol, cant believe indians are so naive.. all stealth planes not on actual operation will be equipped with amplifiers to increase their RCS.. i guess indians dont have any experience with stealth planes

[@NBblowyouup71]

@@limcharles9730 They actually do, they were working on the SU-57 (Russian 5th generation stealth fighter) with Russia, so it's entirely possible this isn't made up and that the Indians were able to see the J-20 on regular radar on stealth mode.

[@isaytheenay5961]

F35: Stealth Fighter. J20: "Stealth" fighter (cough, cough).

[@maddslothii2532]

I would get that cough checked out... cant be to careful right now probably thanks to a Chinese "level 4" bio lab (cough, cough)

[@BustaPost]

The unfortunate news is we’re likely to find out some day soon.

[@rzmonk76]

Love your work A++

[@michaelpatterson8799]

Apparently they can’t carry f... all weapons when they take off from there ww2 aircraft carrier. Because there engines don’t give enough performance.

[@illyasvielvallkyrie5855]

But j20 is not stealt Normal radar you can detect j20

[@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350]

F-35 Lightning 2 is best against Chengdu J-20. 1) Lower RCS 2) Better RAM coating 3) Equipped with best countermeasures in the World 4) Low heat signatures 5) Better availability in war situation

[@syedhabib636]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6iyanproKiLnNE see this dumb head....

[@syedhabib636]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6uukoqZlJlmi6s

[@syedhabib636]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mn6kdYepat1ggrc lol

[@syedhabib636]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmechYNvf5d4l6M see the reality......

[@syedhabib636]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/roLRiY1oeMmpabM Russia 1960s air defence system can hit and truck so called these fucking stealth in real fight.....

[@neutralperspectives1115]

And some fake super power (self proclaimed) third world country thinks rafale is better than j20...😂😂😂

[@user-vb1ih7ws3o]

rafale took down an f22, while j20 had never been tested in real battle

[@mobiuszero2424]

@@user-vb1ih7ws3o really? when?

[@senior.e1034]

Behind the technology, the pilots experience is very important.

[@kerbodynamicx472]

Guys don’t worry. The J-20 fighter is just an improved J10 fighter and copied from the MiG 1.44 of USSR.

[@pdyt843]

战忽局的友军好

[@user-dn2dc9px4y]

战忽局同志加油，让西方人继续自嗨。

[@tugong1212]

@@user-lo8jw2ep9g 把这家伙拖出去埋了 别留痕迹

[@toddtao8790]

@Sepher Agon yes j20 is only 2 j10's stuck together even chinese general @张召忠believes that

[@heinzcastro3640]

F-35 vs plastic planes 💥

[@user-bl6jy7ey9v]

yes!,!

[@tuna84]

䈙kiss Zhou 战忽局同志加油

[@kerblingtime]

when you realize, J-20s would have to fight like 20 F-35s per J-20s

[@armanaryn8372]

No

[@riddler2222]

China has so much confidence in the J20, that they continue to purchase MIG 35, a high end 4th gen fighter.

[@samz1434]

really, where your source come from? don't just use your imagination

[@azzarobertson95]

not even close. china’s generals have even said this.

[@user-wn1ii2xn4r]

Which general?

[@tomnook9270]

@@user-wn1ii2xn4r probably one of his imaginary friends