F35 vs SU35 - which would win?

F35 vs SU35 - which would win?
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F35 vs SU35 - which would win?
American F35 and SU35 are two of the world’s latest fighter jets. We thought it will be interesting to compare the capabilities of these modern aircraft and try to determine which would win in a real aerial battle against each other.
The F35 comes with three types of models know as F35A, F35B and F35C, all with different functions. Pentagon plans to acquire over 3,100 F35, which if delivered will make the F35 one of the most numerous fighter jets ever built.
On the other hand, SU35 is the upgraded version of SU27, though an exceptional jet with much improvement. It is so modernized that it attracts the attention of many countries and only China could make its purchase.
1. Specifications
Let’s have a look at some specifications first.
As of today, around 500 F35s have been built so far. F35B and F35C are comparatively more expensive as per unit cost of F35B and F35C are $116M and $109M respectively, while F35A price tag is around $79M. Operated by crew of 1, the Aircraft’s empty weight is 29,300lb and maximum takeoff weight is around 70,000lb. The jet is powered by a single engine producing 43,000 pounds of thrust. With the help of this engine, the aircraft can gain top speed of Mach 1.6 or about 1,228mph. With the maximum range of 1,700mi, the jet can combat within the radius of 770mi. F35’s climb rate is around 45,000 ft/min and it can reach at maximum altitude of 50,000ft. The aircraft is fitted with 4 internal hardpoints and 6 external weapon stations with a total payload capacity of 18,000Ib. F35 is also armed with a 25mm 4-barrel rotary cannon.
In contrast, around 115 SU35 have been built so far with per unit cost of $85M. Operated by a crew of 1, the aircraft comes in at weight of 41,888lb with maximum takeoff weight of 76,059Ib. The Jet is powered by 2 afterburning turbofan engines generating 64,000 pounds of thrust combined. With the help of these engines, the jet can reach at top speed of 1,500mph. With ferry range of 2,800mi, the jet can combat within the radius of 990mi. SU35’s climb rate is around 55,000 ft/min and it can reach at maximum altitude of 59,000ft. The aircraft comes with 12 hardpoints with ordnance carrying capacity of 17,630Ib. The fighter jet is also armed with a 30mm auto cannon.
2. Stealth
The F35 has lead in this category as SU35 is not a stealth aircraft at all, however for perspective, the SU35's radar cross section is between 1 to 3 sqm, or about the size of a large table while the RCS of F35 is about the size of an insect…
3. Maneuverability
SU35 is based on SU27 platform, so its status as a "super maneuverable" fighter is a matter of fact. Although both jets can slip into heavily defended targets on the ground. F35 will be better in those scenarios while the SU35 is better for air to air battles…
4. Radar & Avionics
The F35 is outfitted with latest AN/APG-81 radar capable of tracking 23 targets in 9 seconds and engaging 19 of them in 2.4 seconds. The range of F35 radar is confidential; however some defense analysts believe that this radar can detect a target beyond 300 miles. On the other hand, SU35 employs the powerful Irbis-E radar, capable of detecting an aerial target up to 250mi away. With the help of this radar, SU35 can track 30 airborne targets and engage 8 targets simultaneously.
5. Firepower
Both planes are equipped with state of the art missiles capable of shooting each other. SU35's need to carry ordinance outside the fuselage is a slight disadvantage, but in general the first aircraft to score a clean hit will win…
Watch full video for detailed Conclusion.
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#F35 #SU35 #Stealth

[@sammomin8115]

The only way to know who is better is a paintball fight, so no one gets hurt.

[@андрейиванов-к1п1ъ]

Каждый год всем желающим русские предлагают вступить в учебный воздушный бой с СУ-35 . прошло 7 лет . желающих до сих прор нет.

[@gjswank]

Untill one cheats and freezes their paintballs..

[@Kevin-pd5xh]

@@gjswank thats a myth

[@christophersisto3645]

@@андрейиванов-к1п1ъ Who would be dumb enough to allow a controlled situation for another country to study their technology?

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

@@gjswank XD. Then someone uses a bearing ball.

[@unclezlatin1495]

I love How the cold war continued in the comment sections in youtube

[@brianstevens7241]

i love the cold war, PERIOD!

[@unclezlatin1495]

@nhà độc tài Yang Wen Li no one asked but ok

[@NapoleonBonaparte5]

The cold war never ended it just paused for 20 years and continued after that mess in Libya

[@blockvfive1196]

ill solve it all i like the united states of russia (i like both lol)

[@unclezlatin1495]

@@blockvfive1196 this guy Just single handedly ended all national conflicts

[@igormar78]

I hope they will never meet in a real-world scenario.

[@LRRPFco52]

@Douglas Jones Flying hunter of the shadows death-distributor, not a death-trap like a Flanker. Su-35 doesn’t even do very well against the Gripen C or J-10C. Why? Lower RCS values, better missiles. Guess who has a far lower RCS value and better missile PK than Gripen C or J-10C? Chinese PLAAF already did tactical exploitation of their Su-35S and concluded it’s a lot of hype. They want AESAs in their Flankers, with their own IRST and PL-15 missiles, not any of the Russian stuff. The only missile they liked was the R-73, but their copy of the Israeli Python HOBS missile is superior when they tested them. If you allow a Flanker to get within visual range of a 4.5 Gen fighter, it will be at least on parity with you. F-35 has IR stealth systems that make the WVR an uphill battle, so don’t ever get near an F-35 is all you can say. They don’t let you anyway, so it doesn’t matter. Rules of the new road...

[@LRRPFco52]

@Douglas Jones F-35s have their own Local Area Network with Line-of-sight data link, not omnidirectional Wide Area Network like 4th Gen fighters have. F-117A combat record: 1271 combat sorties in Desert Storm 850 combat sorties over Bosnia/Serbia 1 shot down 0 combat fatalities It has no radar, no EW, no radar warning, nothing but a good navigation system and FLIR + laser spot tracker hidden in the belly for guiding its Laser-Guided Bombs. They were ordered to fly the same corridor multiple nights in a row. The night in question, the EA-6Bs were down for maintenance, and Russian spotters in Italy relayed what aircraft were taking off. No EA-6Bs with HARM missiles meant SAM sites could search longer, be a bit more bold. Dani's SA-3 crew set their radars to lower frequency against orders, and got a brief glimmer of the F-117As when bomb bay doors were opened, then disappeared. They had to turn around and fly over the same area by orders of Clinton's SECDEF, while SAM batteries were scanning actively. Dani's crew saw them at 13km, manually tracked and fired a Salvo of 2 different SAMs from the site. One missed, while the other proximity-detonated near the F-117, causing a wing to shear off and go out of control. Pilot ejected and went into E&E mode, got picked up by AFSOF CSAR elements. Had that been an F-35, the F-35 pilots would have seen every tiny RF and thermal emission overlaid on high resolution AESA ground-mapping imagery from over the horizon, actively looking for SAM sites to smoke. Totally different ballgame.

[@carlgreene538]

I course they won't America or it's stooges only ever pick on countries that cannot fight back.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@carlgreene538 Like Russia invading Finland, Baltics, Georgia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Ukraine.....

[@carlgreene538]

@@LRRPFco52 I wasn't talking about Russia I was talking about America and not in the past but now.

[@CharlesOffdensen]

The lack of stealth is a problem not just against other fighters, but against anti-air ground weapons as well.

[@chrismair8161]

Then stay on the Ground.

[@kisstamas7760]

There are no stealth fighters, its just a propaganda. The first stealth fighter F-117 was shot down by an old russian radar and rocket system in the 90's, just by modifying the wavelength of the radar (by officer Zoltan Dani). The precise explanation of "stealth fighters" is that they are invisible for most of the radar systems, but not all.

[@RocketboiC4]

@@kisstamas7760 the door was jammed open, and the interior of the Bombay of the f117, get your fucking facts right

[@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA]

@@kisstamas7760 absolute indectability does not exist, but it is a factor to take into account. In that case "something" was detected but not "where" they simply fired at random, the F117 was not even equipped with a radar alert, or countermeasures, the pilot simply did not know that he was being shot at, so he could not take any defensive action .

[@khoipham2261]

@@kisstamas7760 First off, the SAM operator correctly predicted the F117 bombing route, as it was used multiple times. Not only did the operator have early intelligence, but the bomber pilot didn't know they were detected in the first place. The low frequency radar gave early warning, however could not achieve a radar lock onto the F117 until it's bomb bay doors were opened.

[@prinsnalawansa8870]

Hope these two will not meet each other.....

[@joeblowme5427]

Why not ? it will be fun

[@commonsenselogic]

Only at airshows.

[@jzisers]

if They Fight = World War 3

[@shabab189]

JOE BLOW ME yeah fun, so fun, in fact so much fun😐

[@joeblowme5427]

@@shabab189 , BLOW ME🤣🤣🤣

[@ramilespenilla4296]

Both are capable of killing each other, it's just a matter of who see first.

[@joeblowme5427]

And the F-35 would see and shoot fisrt

[@rajaydon1893]

@@joeblowme5427 you don't know how things play out in a war do you

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

@@rajaydon1893 no one does tbh

[@dz7290]

No the SU35 will shoot first

[@joeblowme5427]

@@dz7290 , IN YOUR WET DREAMS MAYBE

[@PrashantRawat]

SU 35 is an amazing jet for strikes .. but F35 is a flying computer and it will always eliminate threats beyond visual range... F35 is just on another level.

[@Jab_Air]

@Tony MontanaRussia has lost more planes through accidents than it has in battle. The only Russian aircraft in history to have a positive Kill to Death ratio is the SU-27.

[@PerSon-xg3zr]

@Tony Montana f35b is the least maneuverable of the 3 variants. The f35b crash was because it injested a rain cover into its lift fan.

[@johncostello3174]

@Tony Montana Due to a rain cover that should have been removed before flight. Simple human error.

[@seven.8228]

Yes another level of uselessness

[@startingbark0356]

@@Jab_Air because old russian aircraft with bad pilots fought much newer american jets

[@3dkiller]

Close combat SU35, range combat F-35

[@Sillymarin]

This comparison didn't age well. There is no comparison between those two. They are galaxies away.

[@bengoacher4455]

tbf Russia haven't deployed any to Ukraine. Although this is because they only have 4 which they use for airshows haha

[@bjkarana]

@@bengoacher4455 and even those 4 were probably just painted over F-15s, haha.

[@jefflow1986]

@@bengoacher4455 They are exclusively for airshows!

[@kevadu]

Well airshows are all the Su-35 is good for. It's pretty spectacular at them, though...gotta give them that much.

[@TheLastCrumb.]

True, the su probably works when it rains unlike some other planes

[@Философ]

7:37 I thought it was a pilot's face when he was worried about his favorite aircraft in competition xd

[@Johnny-xi4ti]

In ur dreamz

[@RobertJackson-lm8wi]

I know this doesn't retain the airplanes I remember racingdirt bikes and roll 1980s CR60 two-cycle engine was whipping the 1990s to cycle 250. a lot of it's in the driver pilot did anything racing drag or NASCAR

[@lt6787]

Robert Jackson ช

[@peted5217]

Avoiding sight contact with a defender by pre-elimination with further reaching ordinance is an ancient and well proven technique. Definitely favored in prolonging the lives of Pilots and aircraft.

[@gillsejusbates6938]

@Jesus is coming. Read the Gospel. you internet christ cucks are really off-putting

[@AvroBellow]

This is of course assuming that the F-35 has no ordinance on its wings because as soon as it does, it's no longer stealthy and the Russians could pick-it off with their R-37M LAAMs while remaining safely outside of AIM-120 range. Even if an unladen-winged F-35 successfully takes down an Su-35, it will be doing so at the cost of its own existence. The second that bomb bay opens, the "invisible" F-35 has the RCS of a Strike Eagle which means that it would get an E-37M up its butt. The Russians also have IR-guided LAAMs which would easily spot the P&W F135's gigantic exhaust plume. There is no "clean win" scenario for the F-35 and, considering the huge difference in manufacturing cost, Russia would happily trade one Su-35 for every F-35 downed because that's a financial victory for them. I have no belief that it costs more to build ANY Sukhoi than it costs to build any variant of the F-35.

[@hulkhogan4203]

"Russia is no less competent in terms of modern warfare technology" that didn't age well

[@highdefinist9697]

Yeah. More like: The F35 would win by default, because the SU35 would not show up because it would have been shot down by Ukrainians before it could even get in range.

[@mistrants2745]

@@highdefinist9697 it would have dropped out of the sky before reaching the Russian border when its fuel ran out...

[@SiberianMaestro]

@@highdefinist9697 you're funny

[@blakkelure]

Read techology again...

[@Makumazaan]

@@highdefinist9697 I raise your bet. The F35 would win by default, because the SU35 would not show up because it would have been shot down by Ukrainians before it had been produced.

[@adityarai5367]

0:19 i was like wtf when did this got developed.

[@ahmadariqdarwish2042]

At 90s

[@jhk8396]

Something to note is that USAF has trained against allied MiG-29s in mock battles (thanks to the fall of the USSR). Of course there are going to be differences, but the general flight envelope of the MiG-29 & Su-27/35 are very similar. NATO has likely already understood the strengths and weaknesses of Russia's fighter jet design doctrine. This contrasts Russia, who hasn't had any experience with American jets except 80s F-14/16s. Also, the F-35A and F-22 handle have much superior AoA abilities compared to American 4th gen, so another mystery. *I pray to God that none of what I said will matter and WW3 doesn't break out, and I'm not even a fighter pilot so what do I know*

[@jkim6200]

Don't worry. Not every expert at "Janes" or "Jane's" has combat experience. This includes experience flying military aircraft.

[@legend9805]

F15 they have iran and will also study about them hahaha

[@Elpincheway]

Doesn’t matter they have S300’s S400’s and now S500’s 😯😲

[@jooger69]

@@legend9805 Iran has the stripped out F-14A from the 1970s

[@foshizzlfizzl]

I hope you understand that you can't compare the capabilities of a MiG-29 or an Su-27 with a Su-35S or an Su-57? There are 20 years of modernization and development between them. Don't mistake the Su-27M (wich often was called Su-35) with the latest Su-35S, wich is based on a Su-30.

[@alanmoore2197]

In a beauty contest its the SU35 every single time...

[@spartanx9293]

Beauty is subjective and russian planes are like supermodels nice line's from a distance but plenty of imperfections up close personally my favorite 4th gen aircraft Is the f/a 18 superhornet

[@anuragtiwari5081]

@@sergiosaudiolog2259 😁😁😂

[@Bojan8309]

@@sergiosaudiolog2259 Is what you think lol

[@johntechwriter]

Ha Ha Ha

[@shaundavidssd]

The problem with beauty is it's often lacking in brains ....

[@jasonstclair1329]

Scrap em all and build bbq’s

[@jozefhorvat3625]

👌👌👌👍👍👍

[@johndavis2589]

It seems that one thing is never made clear. In the early days of F-35 videos when they were still testing, I saw the F-35 get followed by a drone from behind and the F-35 was able to shoot it down without facing the target. The directed aperture system enables the aircraft to target in all directions while flying in any other, so the F-35 doesn't need to maneuver.

[@crankthetank3581]

The su-35 can do the same with its look and shoot capability, basically all the pilot needs to do is look in the general direction of its target and bam you have a lock on to it

[@johncostello3174]

The winner is usually the one who sees his opponent first. With the superior stealth and ability to fire missiles in any direction the advantage is with the F-35

[@D3nz13]

@Verbal DK Yup, they are so behind western civilization. That's good for them, at least they're not creating 100 new genders, BLM shit and other crap that's destroying Europe right now, hah.

[@sontung4552]

@@D3nz13 ah yes, that's what a loser always say after losing a debate. When you lose a debate, you start to talk about genders... to attack your opponent. You are the person who change your ground while losing to opponent.

[@arthurdolle5257]

@@D3nz13 yes culturally the Russians are still in the Stone age

[@DzpcbElectronicWorld]

The F35, 5 Gen. aircraft should be compared to the SU57 5 Gen. not the SU35 4++ Generation.

[@puppetmasternostringsonme8293]

Su35 is enough

[@DeadSkyWT]

@@puppetmasternostringsonme8293 Not at all

[@puppetmasternostringsonme8293]

@@DeadSkyWT ask your Generals

[@DeadSkyWT]

@@puppetmasternostringsonme8293 My generals? I am not from America, lol. And, the SU-35 can't do much against the F-35.

[@DeadSkyWT]

@@puppetmasternostringsonme8293 They can put up a fight though

[@tremedar]

The F-22 is the opponent any Russian jet will face in a dogfight, that's its role in the air fleet, the F-35 is a sniper, sets up for a shot, takes out its assigned targets and leaves the area.

[@voodooo3971]

we saw how your f22 escaped from su35 on the sky of Syria

[@tremedar]

@@voodooo3971 Yeah, they should have stayed and fought and started a full scale nuclear war. Fucking moron.

[@Barefoot433]

@@voodooo3971 Like you think we wanted them to know we were there at that moment and get into a dogfight? I’m sure you’re an advanced straying of the highest order.

[@voodooo3971]

tremedar that’s what I’m talking about you only hero against weak countries like Iraq Libya Syria Yugoslavia Vietnam but when you face Russia you squeeze you tail under your ...

[@nonav5763]

The real truth is that All countries are always chasing the yanks and the brits in all forms. Always copying, always trying

[@LemmingOverlord]

At this point, the question is: which one would take off and not explode during cruise? And we all know the answer...

[@dudfromnowhere]

What's the answer?

[@OneGuyIKnow]

"Who would win?" AN/APG-81 Beyond Visual Range capabilities: *"Am I a joke to you?"*

[@trewtewe1778]

yes you are 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rockandrollismylife]

AIM-120 can do the job.

[@Duchovicius]

​@@rockandrollismylifeR-37 can do a job with its 300km range

[@v.german11b]

What happened to the time tested old saying: "Mine is bigger than yours!"?! 😁

[@TheRealBillBob]

That only applies to bombs.

[@v.german11b]

@@TheRealBillBob You are a "Bob"... 😝

[@TheRealBillBob]

@@v.german11b Uh okay. I guess that's funny in your own mind.

[@v.german11b]

@@TheRealBillBob Look who's talkin'! You are the "joker on steroids" 😝

[@minarawa9645]

The Sukhoi is dancing in the air, amazing

[@googlgfacef218]

its called the cyka ballet

[@stevegardnermax]

Stunning Russian maneuverability, the faster and better armed SU-35 is an amazing adversary. I'm sure both airplanes have some secret tricks up their sleeves too.

[@KjetilBalstad]

That dancing equals loss of power, and is mostly useless outside airshows...

[@nicolascage1261]

my lovely friend how are you doing is me Nicolas cage 💋👄💋❤❤❤💋💋💋

[@Cyco2k5]

Which would win? In a beauty contest, SU35 hands down, it just looks so elegant. Guess that's sorted, didn't even have to watch the video 😎

[@AdA-rl4eo]

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee, a man can’t touch what a man can’t see… stealth superior 💯

[@poiu17472]

So the man create the net that stop the mosquito which flies in the black night... or drigt the standing water.

[@fork9001]

Of course a modern 21st century lockheed jet is better than an old soviet late 80s fighter. Except maneuverability, Su-35 was designed to be supermaneuverable unlike the F-35.

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@fork9001 yeah and that isnt even a better - worse scenario since the f35 is designed to kill its opponent long before it ever come into visual range

[@fork9001]

@@Helperbot-2000 Pretty sure Su-35 has BVRAAM options too, but it’s inferior to the F-35.

[@TheRealBillBob]

That's probably true when you are always fighting militants, but when you are fighting a foe with modern weapons, that superiority is eroded. Radars, stingers and Patriots have kept Russia from Air Supremacy, but not Ukraine's jets.

[@lawrencetendler7747]

If you combine these two warplanes you have an even more effective warplane: The FU 35. ( eff you )

[@johnbolwell5969]

First shot is a huge advantage and that should always go to the F35 due to its stealth. The SU35 manoeuvrability only becomes critical in a close, visual encounter, which should not occur if the first-shot missile does its job in a 1 on 1 engagement. If it does become a fight the visual envelope then it will come down to pilot tactics. Therefore, missile quality on the F35 and the Defensive Aids of the SU35 are key to the fight.

[@GlitchersCO]

Yeah an F-35 equipped with a Python-5 fox-2 would be one hell of dog fight to for any opp

[@damianketcham]

The F-35 would never engage visually with the Sukhoi. They should be able to identify the type of aircraft they are targeting. They possibly might after gaining a significant numerical superiority.

[@lexwaldez]

And training. Russia has basically zero combat training available. If you look at what they get it's almost criminal. It actually probably is criminal as the generals are no doubt selling aviation fuel and pocketing the money.

[@alexdarcydestsimon3767]

@@damianketcham yeah, flight Time available on the F35 is very low compared to any other aircraft... So the USA should triple their F35 aircraft number. They might just do that ... And close hospital and schools and roads to be able to do that. Thanks god, it seems US AirForce and US Navy are smarter than that because they - cancelled their F35 orders and are buying F16 F15 and F18 instead of F35. - push hard on the throttle to have a 6 gen fighter asap. Only the Russian F35 is worth keeping, i mean the US Marine VTOL F35 which VTOL system is originaly russian designed. It is worth keeping this version as it is far less complex than the Harrier. Pity that there is the US software part.

[@Abc-i3q]

The Am 120 hasn't got as much range as the r77/r37 . + The maneuvers the su 35 can pull will play a roll in dogeing missles..

[@1HonestGuero3]

SU35: Power is everything! F35: You can't hit what you can't see!

[@armancho76]

lol ...SU 35 Pilot " peekaboo I see you " ...Italian F35 Pilot " mayday maday i need a diaper change" lmao

[@Eugenetra7]

@@armancho76 Making fun of yourself?)

[@arielalicaway6554]

HAHAHAHA SU 35 EASY TARGET ORDINARY U.S.A. MADE portable handheld missiles.... kill highest score.... SAD PUTIN OLD TECH

[@TheRealBillBob]

Actually the Su-35 can see it.

[@koshersalaami]

I recently watched a video about Baron Manfred von Richthofen, the top scoring WWI fighter ace. Most of his kills were not in dogfights, nor was that his preferred method of killing. Most were attacking unsuspecting targets. This is the philosophy of the F35. And, by the way, the price of the SU35 and the F35A are not very different. Then there’s the question of numbers. There are a whole lot more F35’s than SU35’s and this will continue to be true; in fact, the balance is likely to tilt more. From what I know of Russian numbers, it will take Russia until 2027 to have enough SU35’s and Su57’s combined to roughly equal American F22 inventory., which is to say a little under 200 fighters. This completely ignores F35 inventory which is already over double that. If SU35’s face F35’s it will not be at a 1:1 ratio. Nor will it even have to be greater than 1:1 in stealth fighters because of American airborne data sharing as an F35’s data can provide firing coordinates for F15’s and F16’s beyond Russian radar range.

[@vermilion7777]

This is the philosophy of all modern jets. Close combat is quite obsolete with modern medium-long range missiles. It's more elecronic warfare than anything.

[@jozseffarkas1767]

@Kicabran Ticta one big kaboom ,and noone flying after that

[@guaporeturns9472]

All leading aces practiced this way of fighting

[@marvinmarquez5395]

@Hendrix Cody against who? afghanistan? iraq?

[@panan7777]

Current F35 production rate is one plane every two work days. There is not even a theoretical chance the russia can match this. See dear putin, PhotShop weapons don't win real wars; good for fans, but nothing else. For those unfamiliar with Ukraine: the ground is thawing and huge convoy is limited ONLY to paved roads. Blow first few vehicles and everything stands still. Sitting ducks for Ukrainians. I found that they have flooded the fields as well. Running out of fuel and even food. By far the worst part is exposing to the world just how hugely incompetent they are.

[@christianvasquez7009]

Well after seeing what’s going on in Ukraine and how how Russian Air Force is doing. F 35 is the supreme fighter.

[@tommygun5038]

They would never see the F35. Just like all US and NATO 4th and 4+ fighters in training.

[@neilmenon8943]

Too bad China already acquired all the F35 designs through espionage.

[@ValerySchollaert]

"Well after seeing what’s going on in Ukraine and how how Russian Air Force is doing" Are you in Ukraine ? Because I've some journalist contacts there, as well as in Russia, and what you say is only matching Western propaganda. The truth seems to be that destroying Ukraine army wss even easier than expected. The superiority of Russia on Ukraine is just overwhelming. They are now using hypersonic missiles, not needed to win over Ukraine of course, but to show USA and EU that, in addition to the speed, they have also the precision.

[@ramirexbruv6292]

@@ValerySchollaert yes but the Russians suffured more casualties then the US did in the Iraqi war the Russians suffered 7,000 casualties and the US suffered only 4,431 in the iraqi war

[@ValerySchollaert]

@@ramirexbruv6292 Russians claim 500 casualties. I guess the truth is between the two extremes. I give no trust to US claims, but remember that, in Iraq, it was a coalition that included the first military power in the world against one fairly small country alone. Here, it is Russia alone against a larger (compare to Iraq) country, the latter being armed by the west. Impossible to compare.

[@matsv201]

The two aircrafts have nothing in common but the number. They are totally diffrent fields. F35 A multirole fight/attack aircraft, SU35 a swing role air superiority

[@davelowesky8054]

And Russia doesn’t have enough su35s to keep up. And it doesn’t have enough spare parts to keep them in the air in a war with the USA. They would have to rely on China to make parts at a relatively high rate. But we would bomb those plants We see it now with them in Ukraine.

[@matsv201]

@@davelowesky8054 Well .. Russia don´t have enough of anything. Specially not pilot. They having 1000 fighters sounds very impressive... Until you realize that they really just have 200-300 pilots with sufficient hours

[@1rstTry]

“We thought it would be interesting to compare…” this is a thought exercise and the narrator said that.

[@matsv201]

@@1rstTry you can compare a hatchback to a barge if you wanto.. but waht would you get out of it

[@bluerisk]

And the US won't send such aircraft on 1:1 dogfight missions. They will have a better intel and take care that they have a numerical superiority alone in escort fighters. Intel, communication and coordination are the great assets of the US military. Even the Western Europeans could trash this Russian air force. There are a lot of jokes about how few jets are actually airworthy, but therefore these numbers are correct and can be buckled up if needed. Actually, the press is often over exaggerating these numbers.

[@miles-thesleeper-monroe8466]

If we believe the unverified hover and invisibility hype of the F35 maybe it's responsible for the wave of ufo sightings in America 😂

[@saine414]

Russian is not even stelth at all... No need to compare, the F-35 would win easily, no matter what the Russian plane can do, if you can't see you are dead!

[@CarlosOliveira-iu4jw]

go play some more battlefield...

[@wurzelbert84wucher5]

The "stealth" is hardly working in reality.

[@oshiwatanabe3480]

Easy to test...let the F35 invade in the Russian sky then what happens next. Think of it!

[@chriscalderin6677]

I am a American patriot if half the systems in the su 35 were broken I would still pick it if my life depended on it let's not lie to ourselves

[@chriscalderin6677]

You must be a brandon voter it shows you have no clue

[@FFE-js2zp]

One is a Striker, the other is a DCA Fighter. Thats like comparing an apple to a rabbit.

[@jcxz983]

Rabbit would win though...

[@FFE-js2zp]

@@jcxz983 I thought the tortoise won by exploiting the rabbits overconfidence?

[@jcxz983]

@@FFE-js2zp The tortoise, yes. But the tortoise had the advantage of not getting eaten by the rabbit.

[@FFE-js2zp]

@@jcxz983 I get you. What most people, in fact most air forces don’t understand is that we don’t plan to trade 1 for 1 in visual dog fights any more, and haven’t for quite some time. At least the USAF doesn’t. We train to handle visual merges but only because it’s is always a dangerous contingency-that an enemy leaker gets too close to a friendly asset, generally by their own luck plus a massive OCA failure. We won’t even accept that merge, and will instead separate, unless we can bring a 2:1 advantage, again, unless we get anchored and cannot first escape. Dog fights are not in the game plan. Ever. Not under ANY circumstance. If they do occur, and against a competent opponent they probably will, the pilot(s) involved are presumed guilty of a massive F-up until they prove their innocence. If they come out on top, they’ll get a Silver Star, if they lose a national asset in an objective-less visual fight with a POS or many POSs, their grave will be shat upon.

[@spoonkiller_actual]

A couple of SU-35s would probably have a hard dealing with a couple of F-15s. F35s and F22s would wipe them out. Maybe the S-500 would save them... but those would most likely already be neutralized before moving in F22s or F35s. The Russians do know how to make a good looking plane though.

[@elmazielmazi6203]

Nahh the Su 35 is designed for air superiority , while the f35 multirole. Ofcourse the Su 35 would win

[@herobo123456]

@@elmazielmazi6203 the su-35 is outdated like most russian equipment compared to the west

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

Russian jets are proving to be all show in Ukraine. They can't even get air superiority and seem to be very vulnerable to the NATO handheld AA weapons.

[@gianfrancobox]

@@elmazielmazi6203 when the SU 35 realizes that it has been hooked by an F35, it will have already been shot down. the power and maneuverability of a SU35 may be superior, but the technology of the F35 puts it in a better position even in dogfight

[@elmazielmazi6203]

@@gianfrancobox American propaganda for sure!!!

[@0cypher0]

The doctrine differences are significant, Su-35 is clearly still based around the concept of close target engagement whereas western concepts are based around medium to long range engagement and network centric warfare. The average AMRAAM missile doesn't give much of a rip about the Su-35 having a bigger gun or thrust vectoring as it comes barrelling in at mach 4 from 80nm away. You can ask the Serbian air force how well supermaneuverability served their pilots during BVR engagements. At closer ranges those two enormously hot engines are an ideal target for the latest generation of sidewinder missiles which have significantly improved in their maneuverability compared to the older AIM-L/M variants. Basically it's touting your skill to fire an uzi when you are fighting an enemy that has carbines and sniper rifles.

[@maryrafuse3851]

Excellent points all.

[@hwbxjr]

Su35- 4gen f35- 5gen this could have ended comparison is incorrect

[@arunprakashkumarakrishnan4741]

Why not just strap these AMRAAMs to a much cheaper Cessna 152. We are talking about air superiority fighters and not the payload's capability. Besides TWO hot engines is not much more of a heat signature than a single hot engine...its how you program the missile to recognize the heat signature, heck they can even lock onto heat being reflected by the sun through the fuselage

[@crigeorge9549]

serbs didnt have awacs support , nor they had the best equiped variants in terms of electronic warfare(jaming), nor they could afford to atack in packs of over 20 aircrafts group and fire multiple missiles at a single target. So your example is irelevant. Same applies in Iraq.

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

After seeing the total fail which is the Russian airforce in Ukraine. I think the SU-35's primary purpose is to look good at airshows.

[@beyahero1010]

F-35. Hi SU-35. Hello S-400. HEY!! WELCOME TO MY WORLD 😆

[@myusername3689]

Hypersonic missiles: hey- SR-92: Haha laser weapons go brrrrrrrrrr

[@bilakaeraastakeriada]

SU-57: Hahah kids

[@tropicalstorm339]

@@bilakaeraastakeriada None has been delivered yet and the first batch of delivery (22) is set to occur by 2024. A production version is set to be shown this year at the Moscow air show in July.

[@shankc3526]

@@tropicalstorm339 They already have twelve that are built. The plane is officially in service.

[@tropicalstorm339]

@@shankc3526 A report as of January this year (2021) said that they received one on Christmas... *one.* It says that development of the Izdeliye 30 engine (the final production engine) is still ongoing. The first one delivered in 2019 crashed. The other 10 are *test aircrafts* and not for combat. Again, the engine that will eventually power the *real* SU57 is still in development.

[@ru2yaz33]

The maneuverability is limited by the human body which can only handle about 9 Gs, both planes are limited by the pilots.

[@sarahbrown5073]

True. American military pilots seem to be having a lot of health problems, lately. Russian pilots didn't take an mRNA injection.

[@freeskierdude_]

@@sarahbrown5073 hahahaha did you see the tubby guy the ukrainian's shot down? He was a vet of multiple wars too.

[@person8203]

The F35 has 360 degree targeting and firing. That alone means the pilot doesn't need to be pulling high G maneuvers. It can fire and let the missile do the maneuvering. SU35 wouldn't stand a chance.

[@Metoo3232-pu2wc]

@@sarahbrown5073 LOL You anti vaxxers are too much. I got all 3 shots. I ran a half marathon last week and beat my pre vaccination best time.

[@floydandrews3054]

@@bail10k31 ridiculous

[@flypimpinogflypimp2126]

They both have their strengths and their weaknesses. I would love to fly a MIG though I'm not going to lie

[@randomentertainingvideos3545]

MIGs? The same one with over 40 crash counts, I guess your a daredevil type, not going to argue, Stay safe

[@youloh3458]

Forgot to add "All the data is approximate, since the Ministries of Defense of both countries sent us to fuck with such questions" 🤣

[@ListlessSpectre]

F35 was actually able to fly in formation undetected by the SU35 if that says anything.

[@kdaltex]

Story!

[@cecirodrigues2016]

F35 falls from sky by themselves... no guns fired. xD

[@ListlessSpectre]

@@cecirodrigues2016 So I've heard....sheesh.

[@callsingCLUELESS]

@@cecirodrigues2016 nahh you call that stupid pilots not the planes fault

[@chiguinson]

@@cecirodrigues2016 woww.....cristopher Columbus you just discovered that? ...go tell the Americans so they wont spend trillions of dollars on F35s. You are a genius!

[@sahalimran7877]

Just because they have 35 in there name doesn't mean that they are for same class

[@joedoc6124]

was just thinking this lmao, completely different generations

[@glandhound]

Su-35 had it's first flight in 1988.

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

Whom ever sees the enemy first wins so this isn’t even close.

[@robinjahn1294]

that`s right, so being as undetectable as possible is an extremely important property (not online stealth capablities of the jet but the ability of the pilot to use stealthy tactics)

[@lagrangewei]

this assume if it is a 1 on 1, in large formation battle, you won't have the benefit of staying out of detection. especially if your mission is to protect other plane like refueler, bomber, transporter. than the problem of the F35 carrying only 4 missiles would become a worrying problem. this is why US is buying more F15. F35 is good for certain role but it can't do enough in a war where both side has 100s of planes...

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

@@lagrangewei You always have the opportunity to reduce your threshold of detection. There isn’t one tactic that fits all situations. Everyone assumed while the Iraqis had Russian equipment they couldn’t fly it as well or had the tactics of the Russians. Well he have now seen that the Russians fly Russian equipment no better than the Iraqis did.

[@lagrangewei]

@@matthewhuszarik4173 which is my point. stealth can be a liability as much as an asset. as for your russian comment, it make no sense considering the russian were successful in supressing ukraine, this is why ukraine ask for a no-fly-zone. i am not sure why you bring that up when that is not what we are discussing. the silly statement that it is about who see who first is flawed. it is also a failure to understand early warning system.

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

@@lagrangewei The Russians have not successfully suppressed Ukraine air assets. That is why we have seen the Ukrainians taking out tanks, ammunition dumps, oil storage, and command centers from the air. The Ukrainians also haven’t been able to suppress Russian air assets. Right now the air war is the only part of the war that favors the Russians, but they still aren’t dominating it. That is why the Ukrainians have asked for a no fly zone. It hurts the Russians in the one area they have an advantage over Ukraine. It hurts Russia more than it hurts the Ukrainians. Stealth is never a liability unless you sacrifice some other critical resource to achieve it.

[@Subutai2024]

For what Russia has shown in the war against Ukraine, it leaves a question open about the quality of the training of the pilots. Now, these two planes are of different kind. The F35 has a clear advantage, since it can “see” the SU-35 much earlier than this one can spot - if ever - the F35.

[@nti-fascista]

The f35 does not work

[@kisstamas7760]

The F-35 has a lot of problems, it is totally unreliable. The engine tends to be overheating and if this occurs, the computer reduces the power of the engines which is not a good thing in a combat - or any - situation. A lot of F-35 just felt down because this. A SU-35 is a rock solid construction, it works in very extreme conditions and requires very few maintenance against the F-35 which costs about twice and requires a constant maintenance.

[@leedex]

@@kisstamas7760 How do you know the SU35, is rock solid when Russia can’t effort to mass produce them. Russia is about “we have the best”, but they can’t prove it. It’s Russian propaganda to boost their weak economy with arms export and intermediate their “enemies”. Look at their military in Ukraine 😂

[@alvisdeneldgamle]

@@nti-fascista rus pilots do not fly🤣🤣🤣

[@kisstamas7760]

The F-35 has a serious problem. When the engine is on full thrust its tend to be overheating. In this case the computer reduces the power of the engines, so the F-35 falls like a rock in most of the cases (just google it). The SU-35 works in very rough conditions, it doesn't require a continious maintenance and it costs half of the F-35. The US military industry is about money, the russian military industry is about protecting their homeland. Thats a difference.

[@gcom9052]

If hostile aliens ever reach reach Earth they will piss themselves laughing, that we have weapons pointed at ourselves.

[@Barefoot433]

You don’t think hostile aliens point weapons at other aliens, whether on the same planet or not? If not on same planet, it’s probably only because they already fought and won the wars of local dominance.

[@PrimeRsoul]

Don't worry. Trump would build a wall. He already tried that for illegal aliens. To scare them off he would call them Fake Aliens and claim they're actually Chinese. Eventually, they will just disappear, like magic.

[@lapinbuggs356]

Excellent point !

[@predattak]

They will piss themselves laughing at how many comment section experts in warfare youtube has :))

[@lapinbuggs356]

@@predattak you're right in general, but as a former French navy Pilote (1989) … i think i'am a little bit … don't you think ! ;-)

[@청솔향-g9u]

F says Invisuable range : You are Fucked up! visuable range : I am Fucked up!

[@LRRPFco52]

Read about PLAAF exercises against Royal Thai Air Force, Falcon Strike. A Chinese test pilot said that because of the RTAF Gripen low RCS and longer reach AIM-120, the Su-27SK got killed 44 to 2 in BVR, but was opposite in WVR against the under-powered Gripen, and had the helmet-cued R-73 or Chinese copy of the Python-3. Then they sent J-10s down to even out the odds, especially the later J-10C with DSI inlet and really low RCS, with much longer range PL-15 BVRAAM. PLAAF also did internal tactical exploitation of all its fighters against each other and even the Su-35S did not fair well against the J-10C. Why? Lower RCS and AESA in J-10C equals first-look. PL-15 equals first-shoot. F-35 has a lower RCS 3 decimal places lower than J-10C, a bigger, superior AESA, and IR stealth. So no matter the distance, the F-35 is superior to any Flanker variant, and there isn’t anything you can do to change that.

[@jolldoes1515]

The Covid 19 aircraft is the most fear since invisible .

[@natoisnazi]

Tiniest aircraft with bombs on it and will nuke your immune system

[@nizzy4333]

@xc5647321 xc5647321 yessir

[@maxamedaxmed6699]

covid 19 was hayene.not a virus.!

[@SirOreo62]

They are really different planes, designed for different types of missions. They are not comparable. The F35’s primary designed is not like the F15’s or F22’s which are a true dog fight , air-to-air fighter planes. The more comparable plane to compare would be the F22.

[@slimdunkin117]

Su35 will outperform all of them in air to air combat.

[@damianketcham]

@@slimdunkin117 In what envelope? BVR? Not a chance. The Su-35 would probably not even make the merge. It would be forced into defensive maneuvers like notching a locked missile which would put it at more of a disadvantage. The Irbis-E is a great radar but it’s maximum deflection angle is 120 degrees. It would never be able to get a missile off.

[@SteveFrench_420]

@@slimdunkin117 you're out of your mind. The F-22 can't be touched when it comes to air to air combat. That's what it was designed to do. It's a stealth fighter.

[@SteveFrench_420]

I'm not so sure. The Su-35 and the F-35 are both multi role aircraft. The F22s role is stealth fighter. A good comparison out of Russia to the F-22 would be the Su-57.

[@bomccoy5236]

@@slimdunkin117 Russia is a paper tiger. They will be obliterated just like your pathetic Russian troops in Ukraine.

[@exeuropean]

We allhave seen how superior the Russia military is in Ukrain. The US would have a field day against them

[@caravanstuff2827]

The resin the us and NATO is always at war is to keep there militry alliance " Sharp and battle ready"... unlike China and Russia who practice with each other without any real danger of being attacked and killed... it's one thing marching in red square and the forbidden city and another going to war with a real enamy who's seriously going to kill you...the way Putin is going it won't be long before thay find out!!!.🤔

[@jefflei215]

bro is your spacebar ok?

[@lmesen1873]

When was the last time the US proved their combat efficiency vs a capable opponent? It took them 39 days to capture Baghdad in a 20+ nation coalition against a demoralized Iraqi army with soviet era equipment, and they essentially lost Afghanistan.

[@sealoftheliving4998]

@@jefflei215 Nop its malfunction 😅😅😄😄😄

[@unsharded8503]

@@lmesen1873 It was the fourth largest military at the time. Soviet equipment was new too. You do realize 39 days is a normal amount of time for a country to invade? Blitzkrieg lasted 6 weeks. What are you on about???

[@AC-ri3qz]

Su35 more weapons , super maneuverable, very powerful engines , beautiful jet . A lot cheaper to build.

[@mikkihintikka7273]

quality over quantity in weapons. one nuke can deliver more damage than million slingshots

[@randomentertainingvideos3545]

More weapons because it's lacking stealth, not as maneuverable because again, lacking stealth and the F-35 is VTOL so it can land on some destroyer's (Not to mention aircraft carriers) and the SU-35 looks very 4th gen (For obvious reasons I guess, and lastly I don't think the USA cares about cost anymore.

[@pashapasovski5860]

@@randomentertainingvideos3545 you forgot, not nearly as fast,agile, but much more expensive! F35 was brought to replace every single plane, from A10 to F15 and even F22! That's what Lockheed promised to people and the congress! That's why Lockheed got the greatest tender in the history of US investments! Lockheed broke every single promise, delivering a lemon,a flying cellphone! Now ,after Pentagon payed (taxpayers) 1.7 trillions, they are bringing back F15,16 and probably F18!

[@randomentertainingvideos3545]

​@@pashapasovski5860 I'm not saying you're wrong but I never said it was perfect, just that it was a different type of fighter. And also I DO NOT agree with the pentagon's plan with replacing everything. It's a stealth, carrier based fighter. The SU-35 isn't stealth or carrier based, it's an air superiority fighter like the F-15. And remember, it's VTOL which ruined many characteristics but allowed it to land on some destroyers like the Zumwalt. (They seem like brothers don't they both stealth both not perfect).

[@pashapasovski5860]

@@randomentertainingvideos3545 being a US taxpayer, I take it personally when they piss all over us and call it warm showering! I remember that Q and A with reps asking questions and Lockheed talking about generations and even though we have 3 largest and best Airforce in.the World, they sold the necessity of this tender! I mean, F15 89- 0 and not only did the money got wasted, but it made Russia and China to start competing for parity and investing billions in their programs! And all this time we are fighting wars against countries without Airforce! Now,I'm supposed to justify this robbery out of patriotism, hahaha!

[@datcat8458]

Modern war now is basically who can see the other guy first. Guys, by see each other first I meant who's radar can see the other first, not actually see each other with there eyes. In modern warfare who ever fires of the first missile is more likely to win because unless you are facing off against a very well trained, and very skilled pilot. The person that fires a missile first, even if it misses, puts the enemy into a defensive stance against your attacks.

[@Bojan8309]

How can you see a plane 100 km away from you..? with your eyes?

[@hawker4014]

@@Bojan8309 sensors you absolute weapon

[@tahncavanagh4405]

More like which radar see the other plane first

[@wisam111]

That’s what they said when they invented air to air missiles how wrong were they

[@dena5498]

Su35 has the smart rocket. The fight to be finished before this is started. I think it's not secret information.

[@silyshkin5223]

Do you know about the l-265 "Khibiny-10M” Su35 electronic countermeasures aircraft complex? It is possible that the su-35 will be able to block the f-35 radar signal then you will have to use melee missiles where the su-35 has more advantages. In fact, we won't know who will have the advantage in battle until these fighters meet on the battlefield.

[@SR-September]

it is better that this does not happen..)) greetings from Russia bro

[@mikethomas4423]

@Eclipse538 electronic countermeasures are completely designed to make heat signatures dissappear ..they scramble the enemies target locking capability and can put out enough radio static to completely nullify any amram or sidewinder with lock capabilities. It's precisely what electronic countermeasures where designed to do .

[@compresswealthdivideeconom3757]

What kind of field, grassy, mountainous, ....?

[@theostragonidis7548]

@Eclipse538 ​ Sandwitches ARENT MADE TO MAKE YOU LESS HUNGRY

[@mikethomas4423]

@Eclipse538 lol the cheek of Americans to ridicule " cave people" ...took you eight years ...billions of dollars and how many dead to capture osama bin Laden ?🤣??? Air superiority...you can't even hold down one airport in Kabul .

[@objection_your_honor]

I hope I never see any of these machines of violence.

[@ovidiudraghici9941]

The only problem with F35 is that is fantastic on paper only, just like a Jeep. Hopefully it'll never be tested for real.

[@SamuelMwangi-i7d]

The problem with USA doesn't need hype to sell they are always in war...who do you sell weapons and you rarely involved in war...propaganda and media hype.Actually Israel Germany or Japan with their capabilities cannot just deal with USA to get crap.

[@quachhengtony7651]

I love how everyone in the comment section are military experts.

[@richhenry8004]

I would assume dogfighting depends on the quality of the pilot. Given recent events im not sure id place a large wager that russia is full of well trained active duty fighter aces.

[@charlessmith3940]

Conscripts make great pilots

[@gourmetbanana]

@@charlessmith3940 Wouldn't matter if all their bullets have been traded for Vodka 🤔

[@squidysnose69]

There arent any aces currently serving in the airforce

[@Nickalaich]

@@charlessmith3940 Conscripts cannot and would not be pilots in any circumstances. Special-trained officers only

[@williamzk9083]

Because of the F-35's stealth it will get a first shot first kill.

[@stevelawrence7111]

Comes down to technology. Russian planes are using Garmin satnavs duct taped to their consuls.

[@summoner1451]

The SU35 looks better, but the F35 is more advance and has better sensors, meaning it would pick up the Su35 first. So the F35 would win /thread

[@panan7777]

Organizing beauty contest?

[@dadthelad]

The look of the F35 has definitely grown on me. It's like any new fashion, or car style, it looks weird at first, but then it grows on you, everyone copies, and the older style suddenly looks dated. So now I find any fighter that doesn't have the stealth look, just looks dated.

[@panan7777]

Form follows the function.

[@jade7631]

Uh it has bad radars but good stealth most american planes have a problem with radars but there stealth is incredible

[@ramirexbruv6292]

@@jade7631 You're entirely wrong at this point ok now so for example in my logic and calculations u would see all over in the internet that the An/apg 81 has a km of 150km can I tell u the reason why? It is because of LPI or the US just don't want reveal its true capabilities LPI is a low probability of intercept radar it is a radar employing meassures to avoid being detected by Passive radar detection equipement such as RWR radar warning recievers when some detects u by radar u will get a warning and electronic support recievers and now Time to get into this now so PD means tracking possible at a range of 55 to 65 percent detection range. Now cued search small search. Box can easily extend the range to 50 percent because of much longer dwell times being used meaning how much the radar focuses on the object. That means 345km range against 3m2 rcs and 454km in those criteria and also the su 35 and rcs of 1m2 I think sof yes the apg 77v1 the upgraded variant uses the same GaaS modules that is on the apg 81 and the An apg 77v1 has a detection range of 400km for 1m2 target and that means An Apg 81 that means 400km for 1m2 target that is the rcs of the su35 in think so yes the f35 will just far away flank it after it detects it and use other kind of tactics The US just has better sensors avionics and radar and better stealth capabilities the rcs of the su 57 is 1m2 and it has the rcs of a clean f18 superhornet

[@lemonacidrounds7293]

Oh, they both 35 OK now we know they work together in pretty much everything

[@strangefaust6330]

Well, these birds can still face each other without devastating WW3. Two other countries which bought the planes from US and Russia can clash in some local war... But the outcome would much depend on the well prepared pilots too...

[@kamov52510]

Don't they get Export Versions wich are downgraded?

[@gabe.ch5555]

I have two names in mind, Maverick or rather Ice Man ???

[@luisgalindo4530]

I agree with you 100%. It all depends on the experience and expertise of the pilots. Obviously,both planes are extremely dangerous but the one with the best pilot,would end up being the best plane.

[@moh8b74]

basically its the situation now with iran and israel

[@mohamedshafeer4013]

It’s not about the flight, it’s about pilots

[@MrOrangemind]

Is that ak47 mounted on the plane for su35..it sounds like 😂

[@ecksdee1637]

haha typical american always underestimating your opponent

[@smoaky123]

ECKSDEE 1 I mean fighter jets kinda are on the way out like battleships during ww2, multi role stealth craft are the future and Russia is hard pressed to compete in that category.

[@spartanx9293]

@@ecksdee1637 that gun will never see use against an enemy aircraft

[@TheMotodiaries]

30ml variant lol

[@specterufo4009]

Reminds me of the Tiger tanks against the Shermans. It was quality against quantity and in that case quantity won. Do not forget History.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

Limited supply of the actual Tiger tanks was problematic - fewer than 500 MKIIs and circa 1350 Tiger 'E' were made, a lot due to bombing raids destroying production and raw material shortage, however using much larger tanks in conditions not ideally suited and reduced range of the tank was a huge factor rather than just being outnumbered. A Tiger II could barely muster a 100 miles, A sherman could reach about 150 miles, the Cromwell was closer to 170miles on tarmac'd roads, the Cromwell was also much faster than both the Tiger's and the Sherman and had a similar engine output of 600hp to the Tiger, the Sherman was around 400hp.

[@augustkirial6899]

I dosent work like that Any more

[@suryapratamak1690]

Times have changed. The f35 and f22 can kill multiple f15s and 16s in no escape zone type positioning and launch energy without them knowing where they are.. the su35 has no chance. When 3 or 4 ..f15s and f16sat a time can consistently take down f35, then i can be comvinced that the su35 or rafale or whatever gen4+ has a chance.

[@Toronto-Brad]

Something else to consider in the same vein as the Shermans/T-34/Tiger experience in WWII, is that fact the F22 and F35 are maintenance queens. They require expensive repair work after every flight, especially to their stealth coatings. You can make the assumption that in a war with a peer power, like Russia, your ability to maintain these jets will be removed at the outset of hostilities, as well as the runways to land and take off. The jets may be "invisible" to radar, but the airbases are certainly not invisible. With their exact coordinates already dailed into short range weapons. Best if your plane is able to operate off a highway or a backroad when ballistic missiles destroy airbases on mass. It is believed the Russians have engineered this ruggedness into their Flanker and Mig warplanes.

[@javier8341]

@@Toronto-Brad yup f-35 and f22 canot win anything if they canot be in ready operational status ! thats a great point for the russians jets

[@migmit]

Answer: ukrainian tractor would kick both of their asses.

[@captainalex157]

ukrainian tractor companies are gonna be the big winner from this war. Invest now!

[@trutacgear]

Haha true ..

[@trutacgear]

@@captainalex157 There is no war at all ..This is a fucking propaganda like covid horse shit ... Everything is for the fucking mind control and money ...Don't you see those images are from old wars back in the 90s and video game simulators..

[@jonnyskidmarks]

Ukrainska Pravda Thu, August 11, 2022 at 7:51 AM·1 min read OLENA ROSHCHINA - THURSDAY, 11 AUGUST 2022, 16:51 The Russian Federation has lost two squadrons of the latest Su-35 fighters in Ukraine, that's about 24 aircraft, and now tolerates the return of the old Su-24M bombers. Source: Oleksii Hromov, the Deputy Chief of the Main Operational Department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at a briefing at the Ukraine Ukrinform media centre Quote: "Over the last week, the Ukrainian Air Force have destroyed 27 air targets. In connection with the significant losses of aviation equipment, the occupiers are considering the option of using outdated bombers - the Su-24M, which were removed from the aggressor’s combat team during 2005-2018." Details: According to the General Staff, Russia supplied Su-35 aircraft to China. Out of 24 units, only 9 were functional, which indicates the low efficiency and the unreliability of this technology. The largest number of operational failures of these aircraft was related to on-board systems. "The Su-35 aircraft has also shown a low level of survivability. During the full-scale aggression, the occupiers have lost two squadrons of such aircraft, that's about 24 planes," Hromov said. SU35 = JUNK

[@gandalfderturkise3982]

Man i Love both of them😂👌

[@dranzergigs8333]

So basically f 35 vs Su 35 is like a sniper rifle vs an ak 47. A sniper stays hidden and kills the target from far away. An ak 47 sprays bullets all over the place in close to medium range to completely decimate the enemy. Which one wins depends on the scenario.

[@Sir_Richard_Stewart]

But. STH Korean Soldiers are taught to snipe up to 300 m with an ak47 in single shot. And can hit a cigarette at 250 m. It's Training and practice. In all things.

[@bryjb10]

If a Ukrainian Mig29 can mop the floor against the SU-35 then the SU-35 doesn’t have a chance against a F35.

[@Shulcyo]

In which fairy tale did this happen?

[@bryjb10]

@@Shulcyo has your government blacked out all your media and told you lies?

[@bryjb10]

@@Shulcyo considering it’s been a week and Russia still doesn’t have air dominance against a small force like Ukraine just shoes Russias technology and skills were hyped.

[@mrbasfed1948]

It depends on pilot. A plane can do shit by itself. P.S. It's like a kindergarten talk - my dad will bring a tank to fight and my dad will bring an atomic bomb.

[@Shulcyo]

@@bryjb10 There is no need for air dominance. Cost for running aircrafts is a lot higher than shelling and sending guided missiles. My gvt is US GVT

[@machomac1910]

Dude this narrator is everywhere. I’ve seen so many of his narrated videos but i’ve never seen his brand. He’s currently the main narrator for WATP. This man deserves some credit.

[@brucelong6092]

It's always good to destroy your enemy from a distance.

[@haqqizillysozo]

Don't be reliant on stealth, the f117 incident might happen again 😂

[@vasiliyt8600]

@@haqqizillysozo The F117 incident happened, because it flew for days the exactly same route over Serbia. Other than that, the F117 was a slow first generation subsonic stealth bomber.

[@haqqizillysozo]

@@vasiliyt8600 that's why you can't rely primarily on stealth, and abandon other aspect. If it shot down with the state of the art missile at that moment, that's plausible. But what so called "STEALTH" taken down by 3 decades old technology, that's so funny. Not to mention the earlier U2 stealth spy plane shot down by ussr

[@vasiliyt8600]

@@haqqizillysozo The F117 got shot down, because the route was known by the Serbs, *after* some time. This was US's fault for using the same route day by day. Usually in such missions, you always change the routes to be less predictable by the enemy. The U2 was *not* a stealth plane at all. It was slow (Mach 0.7 max) cruising high altitude reconnaissance aircraft. This plane relied only on it's high altitude of 24Km (80K ft), since the early SAM systems weren't capable enough to shoot down planes at that high until 1960. In 1960 the Soviets used their newly developed S-75 (in 1958) high-altitude defence system to shot down the U2 plane. After that incident, the US military developed the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird, in 1963 (a long range high-altitude Mach 3+ strategic reconnaissance Aircraft. 26Km & Mach 3.34). It was used continuously (over Soviet territory), until way after the end of the Soviet Union (1999). Even this plane wasn't a Stealth plane. First stealth generation aircraft was the F117.

[@x5HYx9UYx]

Which would win lol? Um it all comes down to the pilot 👍

[@chasetoyama8184]

Not really, the F-35 is stealth so if they engaged in BVR combat, the F-35 would win. In WVR combat, I’d say they’re be pretty evenly matched, but I don’t know their specs, so don’t quote me on that.

[@forbalkanufo907]

@@chasetoyama8184 f 117 was stealth too, and Serbians shut it down.(1999)

[@negodnik9226]

@@forbalkanufo907 they just didn't know it was invisible

[@forbalkanufo907]

@@negodnik9226 haha yea...

[@williamanderson2326]

@@forbalkanufo907 Should we compare that to the very long history of NATO fighters dominating Russian built counterparts? Also the f 117 incident isn't even comparable to this discussion.

[@fakhrulayser2404]

This comment section basically is a bunch of 5 yr olds arguing about whos dad is stronger... And im very annoyed by these people, please just grow up

[@wadopotato33]

This is a discussion. No one gives two shits if you are annoyed. That is a sign that you aren't grown up.

[@cesaralvarez7112]

@Wade French you just pulled the I know you are but what am I card. A mountain isn't wrong lol. These comments are literally about who's daddy is stronger. Like grow up get a job man up and do things for yourself. Just a life lesson that you maybe never learned. Most of you people don't even study political science and have no idea what you are talking about. All your info comes from video games and movies. You clearly know nothing of history or warfare

[@donaldstein3851]

If you are actualy annoyed then you must also classify yourself as a five year old. Now be quiet and go stand in the corner!

[@kealahau6727]

If you are annoyed , why do you go read the section comment ?

[@wadopotato33]

@@cesaralvarez7112 I know you are but what am I card? A mountain isn't wrong? What is the sweet fuck are you talking about? People who get annoyed because someone disagrees with them are not adults. If a persons ego is so easily offended they should simply stay out of discussions. Pretty simple. Somehow I think you read a little more into this or something was lost in translation.

[@robfox5464]

It's just a guess as the SU35 has been tested in battle as a plane while the F35 only has a proven record as a submarine and, even in that role, the F35 does not perform well; it sinks. 🤣

[@spartanx9293]

Why is an air superiority fighter being matched against a multirole fighter edit yep did more research I was wrong the su35 is multirole just with more emphasis on air superiority edit re retracted I just got a few months of education and now I know I was full of shit the aircraft is an air superiority fighter

[@omermete4181]

They are both multirole fighters

[@spartanx9293]

@@omermete4181 the su35 is not unless a variant exists that I am unaware of and i recently found out that this is actually an unfair fight for the flanker

[@orcakinggaming9388]

Technically the SU35 is both air superiority and multirole

[@spartanx9293]

@@orcakinggaming9388 that's not how it works an air superiority fighter is by definition not multirole it is either one or the other

[@spartanx9293]

@@orcakinggaming9388 why would i be thinking of the f22 the f35 is multirole the su35 is not it might have a variant that is multirole but I don't know for sure

[@Johnmk24]

The Ukrainian AF is knocking them out of the sky with older Migs & 1980’s US made stinger anti aircraft missiles.

[@jesss3725]

Even Russia is shooting down their own planes. 😎 Glory to Ukraine!

[@sticksjke]

yeah i heard ghost of kiev has shot down over 50 planes.

[@HectorHugoLG]

F35 You did it again, you don't learn from your elders: F4: "Dogfight is no longer needed" Mig 21: "Yes sure, look my cannons shoot down your planes" Stealth is a relative advantage, it depends on your enemy capabilities of detection wich can be modernized, on the other hand you cannot suddenly change the F35 to make them more maneuverable

[@dumdumbinks274]

The main reason 4th gen fighters were designed to be highly maneuverable and have guns is because missiles of the day were unreliable for many reasons... They weren't poorly designed, just nobody knew how to handle or use them properly. The AIM-7 for instance had an overall hit-rate of around 30% by the end of the war, but half of those were not even misses... there were many faiures causing missiles to not track the target, not ignite the motor etc. A fall-back option was considered necessary for the next generation of fighters, and although missiles are much more reliable and capable today, the lessen has never been forgotten or ignored. The F-35 is a very capable dogfighter 2nd only to the F-22 within the USAF. Contrary to popular claims the MiGs were not better dogfighters than the F-4. The majority of US fixed-wing losses in air combat were due to NVAF hit and run tactics, not dogfighting. In hindsight the losses should have been expected since US aircraft made up 95% or more of aircraft over Vietnam at any one point in the war, meaning many many more targets for the NVAF to choose from. Stealth is relative yes, but even if it one day does become obsolete (highly unlikely unless radar stops being the most capable sensor type) stealth designs still have the advantage aerodynamically thanks to internal weapons removing parasitic drag as a factor... thus they retain their maneuverability and speed throughout the entire flight, and because of the lack of parasitic drag stealth designs are more fuel efficient leading to longer range. Even the F-15 is slower than the F-35 if both are configured for the same strike mission.

[@Thetequilashooter1]

IF you knew about the war in Nam, you would know that the North Vietnamese actually tried to avoid fighting the F-4. They had very few Mig-21's in their inventory, and it took the US to use trickery to get them out and fight. Read up about Operation Bolo, or even here on KZbin, and you'l see how F-4's pretended to be F-104 Thuds by changing their electronic signature and call signs. It resulted in heavy Mig-21 losses, so much so that after the battle the North Vietnamese hardly used them anymore.

[@HectorHugoLG]

​@@Thetequilashooter1 So much american proud here, you can also know that F-4 originally did not had cannons, you can also know that not all missiles are pretended to be used for beyond visual range, you can know that at long range the missile will reach the target with little energy (thus a maneuverable airplane that detects incoming missile can handle to avoid) and you can also be little intuitive and at least consider the maneuverability to be important in any combat plane.

[@dumdumbinks274]

@@HectorHugoLG USN F-4s never had a cannon integrated and performed better in air combat than the USAF F-4E which did have a cannon. And as I mentioned maneuverability was not a problem as the MiG-21 was not superior in that aspect over the F-4. The problem was never 'dogfighting'. The problems were situational awareness and poor training.

[@wadopotato33]

They don't need to be more maneuverable. They already are maneuverable. The idea that they aren't is Internet Urban Legend and not based in fact.

[@snarky77005]

9:35 Stealth or maneuverability? Stealth is always going to better to have. What good is maneuverability if you can't even get close enough to dogfight? This is almost like asking: "which is better for crossing the ocean a car or an air plane?"

[@Rsken1-vo3xb]

Stealth is obsolete in this modern era and will only continue to be as radar systems get more advanced. Air defence and radar systems will always be able to detect even the most stealth fighters and bombers. Why do you think isreali f35s didn’t enter Iranian territory in their latest attack? Because they got locked on and shit themselves, launching rockets from iraq 😂 Even if the stealth fighter gets close the monuevrability and speed of the su35 will be the difference.

[@fjm1235]

If the SU35 got within visual range & engaged the F35 in a dogfight, the F35 would be toast. With the F35's stealth & advanced avionics, it would shoot down the SU35 from beyond visual range.

[@la7dfa]

The problem with Russia is always money. They have very little when they have spent a buttload on ICBM's and the navy. So the training of the airforce is down to few hours a month. So even with better dogfighting properties, it is not sure they will win. And as you say stealth and avionics is superior. Hell the Russians have no chance to control a mixed airspace in Ukraine. One thing is to fly around in Syria, but if you have capable enemies, the Russians might even be shot down by friendly fire.

[@tonyhoward9268]

The pilot may have a little influence on the outcome of a head to head engagement I promise

[@isthistwitterbruh]

Nobody asked, but this is 100% true in the game Battlefield 3 lol. The Flanker SLAPS the F35

[@TheRealDonLayton]

@@la7dfa Money, reliability and now, as we see from Russia vs Ukraine, training.

[@Zesmas]

just because a SU35 is better at dog fighting does not mean its will win every dog fight. whoever is the better trained/skilled will be the victor. the plane just helps them win.

[@oldsagerat]

SU 35s are referred to by US pilots as "targets of opportunity " The Russians didn't think things over well when they built this jet. Spare parts are built in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@kinwhakklkin7590]

Also after over mont of fighting in UA we know another thing. If we want to know how many SU 35s can be destroyed by one US F35 we just need to count the air-air rockets of F35 🤣

[@myyoutubename152]

@CtrlAltDelicious69 SU35 pilots get far fewer (half) the hours of training compared to F35 pilots.

[@mikewalsh1402]

Hilarious 😂🤣

[@mikewalsh1402]

@CtrlAltDelicious69 Stealth versus non stealth, I know who wins!

[@bmx7596]

And now after seeing the Ukraine war the biggest problem with the Russian jet is a Russian is flying it.

[@dj1arrem]

Like a short-sighted warrior with a dagger in his hand. VS Good eyesight for archers with a bow

[@shrin210]

Then Archer would definitely win.

[@evanwochos451]

Except you can't see the warriot until he is right behind you

[@generalkenobi5173]

@@shrin210 not if the warrior can get in close.

[@datamasked623]

April 2020. I think we all know how bad the U.S. by itself would absolutely humiliate the Russians now after seeing how terrible they are at waging war. Utter incompetence.

[@thephilfamilyadyrul3786]

Put my money to su-35.

[@Jungletraveler00_12]

Answer: the better pilot

[@cgdrider]

As a 3rd Generation of Lockheed Team members, we still stand by the Motto: Look to Lockheed for Leadership!

[@graymalkin26]

As the Red Baron reportedly said, it's not the crate but the man in the crate.

[@Popesontour]

Those Russian jets are just so damn pretty! Deadly also!! The F35 just screams business though!! All Russian and US hardware is well tested and deadly. It comes down to operator usually when using high tech systems. Just my opinion though.

[@dt2419]

F35 would dominate. It would kill the SU35 before it knew it was there. Before you say biased I am not American and actually really like the Russian jets.

[@MSM5500]

You should consider F35 not as a war aircraft on its own but as an integral strike unit incorporated into the entire complex of military forces it belongs to. In a case of possible conflict rusia will have gotten lost the vast of its air force just within hours. The entire cohesion of rusian military units in large-scale combat operations is just bad, so for any intangible success they always pay with their own huge death toll.

[@dt2419]

MSM5500 I agree, it’s a flying supercomputer with the ability to share info between aircraft and have a perfectly coordinated strike without many issues. However I’m absolutely sure it could hold it’s own by itself

[@MSM5500]

@@dt2419, Yes sure, without a doubd F35 is very capable on its own but unlike rusia the US as well as NATO command will never put any their aircraft into a situation where risk assesment hasn't been done yet. The days of supid dogfights are gone forever. It's way more efficient to freeze bank accounts than use of force against mentally sick characters such as Putin. The There is no point to prove anythyng to anyone in this world cause even Jesus Crist didn't prove anything either.

[@AbdulQadir-vl4bz]

A plane is as effective as the pilot who operates it

[@gooldii1]

Aha. So, a me 109 is more capable, than a F15? really?

[@edwardenglehart9443]

@@gooldii1 i believe he means when it is this close

[@AbdulMalani-lt8ob]

Pilot with Guts and courage will winner

[@Theonewhodanceswithwolves]

After the magnificent preformance in Ukraine, it is safe to say even an f-14 can go head to head agains't the su35

[@Travis_22]

Hell an F4 Phantom 🤣

[@stefanomarchesani8804]

As far as I know no SU 35 were taken down, instead they striked dozen of ucrania mig 29 and su25

[@comradegnome6571]

@@stefanomarchesani8804 Atleast 3 SU-35's have been shot down. There's literally images of them

[@NKVD_Enjoyer]

your country was owned by goat herder

[@JamesJoyce12]

the last words of the SU35 pilot... "what is that flash....?" Because Russia did so well in Ukraine of course.

[@zbychulatara]

No. Last word are Stinger stinger aaaaaaaa

[@MrBoBrilO]

You mean did well by not bombing cities to pure ruins and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians as usa did?

[@MrBoBrilO]

@@zbychulatara Yeah russia looted an insane amount of unused stingers ukrainians prolly don't know how to use em lol

[@JustinThorts]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@m3_lon264]

Comparing the f35 to the su35 is unfair because the f35 is like one of 3 5th gen fighters in the world

[@Lerppunen]

Should not really be compared to SU-57 either because Russia will never have them in meaningful numbers.

[@startingbark0356]

@@Lerppunen 12 known are not bad, especially when russia had to recover from communism in the 90’s

[@hwbxjr]

Su35- 4gen f35- 5gen this could have ended comparison is incorrect

[@onyxul]

They needed 2 sidewinders to shoot down a balloon. How many sidewinders will they need to shoot down a SU35 from BVR?😂😂😂

[@vincentphan5097]

You use an amraam in BVR so zero sidewinders are needed 😂

[@josephchibuike6167]

@@onyxul I love this shit,maybe 30 sidewinders

[@jacqueline5621]

Su 35 is absolutely badass 😍💪✈

[@nicolascage1261]

my lovely friend how are you doing is me Nicolas cage 💋👄💋❤❤❤💋💋💋

[@nicolascage1261]

@BeagleworldYTwhat You do you mean

[@ahumblegamer4644]

At close range, at long range its a complete embarrassment. The f35 will be a silent killer, while the next 6th gen Airforce/Navy planes will annihilate Russian aircrafts close or long range.

[@randomentertainingvideos3545]

Yes, compared to a zero.

[@DoneDealNikhil]

So its basically an Agile Gymnast with leathal fighting skills VS a Couch Potato with remote controls and latest gyzmos at his finger tips!

[@KjetilBalstad]

Wouldn't call the SU a potato... And I think the F-35 has more gyzmos...

[@zanderhenderson4561]

@@KjetilBalstad he’s talking about the other way around

[@KjetilBalstad]

@@zanderhenderson4561 But that would not really make any sense now would it...

[@josephweaver5385]

Why Have a dog fight when you own the enemy and they cannot even see you. Bang SU-35 Gone!

[@spartanx9293]

You are where the su-35 is going to be way down with missiles right the f-35 is going to be more agile in the situation

[@jaxzor]

asuming the SU35 will take off.

[@Oniphius1]

Cant shoot down if you cant see it. How are the Su's working vs Javs?

[@docwho10th88]

Imagine being hit by weaponry from an unknown, unseen and unidentified aircraft from hundreds of miles away. Talk about being helpless! F-35 for the win!

[@ParkerUAS]

The F-35 though has to make that stealth BVR (Beyond Visual Range) kill. If it gets into a "turning dogfight" with a competent pilot of a modern Russian or Chinese aircraf there are limitations in its flight envelope that could be exploited. The benefit that F-35 operators have is the training to mitigate those short comings and exploit shortcomings of their adversary. This isn't something that seems to be as well worked out in the Russian forces.

[@docwho10th88]

@@ParkerUAS Yea...they are more bark than bite...just look at the primitive tech and laziness and cutting of corners of Chernobyl.

[@pcATgmCom]

What is the range of the F-35 missiles?

[@tommygun5038]

@@ParkerUAS .....The dogfighting days have long been over. F35s don't need to be behind their opponent too fire missiles.

[@ParkerUAS]

@@tommygun5038 this same argument was used in the late 50s and early 60s l, so the F-4 was built without an internal gun. Then Vietnam showed that even with missiles, there was a need for guns in a turning dogfight. The truth is that since Vietnam there hasn't been an true air war of equal combatants. As such to say the days of dogfighting is over are myopic at best. There is a reason the F-35 has an internal gun and it isn't just strafing in a CAS role. The truth is that if it is in a full stealth set up it only carries four missiles and could quickly wind up in a guns engagement for survival.

[@tking1170]

This comparison should have been done using the F22 Raptor. Winner hands down in air superiority.

[@massargueye7125]

Contre ,su 57 vous verrez.!!!!

[@badgerresistance4322]

Well after seeing the worlds 2nd most powerful army in Ukraine, Russia has not been able to claim air superiority. F35 all the way. However USA managed to defeat the world's 4th largest army with F 16s in 2 months in desert storm.

[@dipline86]

We have already heard bullshit about the second army of the world. It is incorrect to compare with the "Desert Storm". Russia, conducting a special military operation in Ukraine, is not at war with the enemy state. For us, this is a civil war on our historical territory with a loyal population. Hence such slow progress or did you want to see a war of annihilation with carpet bombing of cities? Like the US in Vietnam or the war against Iraq? Look at Mariupol and ask yourself the question, why are all the houses broken but intact? Because there are civilians in every basement. Russia cannot use heavy weapons with a caliber of more than 30 mm. Therefore, take propaganda out of your ass and look at the military operation from the point of view of military science. You will be pleasantly surprised...

[@viktor3495]

Россия контролирует воздух, а США не могли победить талибов больше 20 лет

[@napobg6842]

@@viktor3495 you are sad

[@NKVD_Enjoyer]

america got literally owned by goat herders and some rice farmers so what are you even talking about.