Is Citizen Now Better Than Seiko?

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Thanks to Andrew at Watch Direct for giving me this review unit. It makes a fairly strong case for itself if you are looking for a Japanese big brand daily, but the dial is not on par with Seiko. In fact, it might take some time for Citizen to catch up, but I am going to enjoy watching them try. Cheers, Jody

[@ahha6304]

Citizen is tougher, more reliable and less problem than Seiko, with half a price of it, seriously people should appreciate Citizen more

[@chris9650]

I hope they don't. We all know what happens once a company starts selling well 🤫😄

[@ahha6304]

@@chris9650 OK true that

[@spikefcast1892]

Yes I say my nb1060 blue is an awfull piece. They should lower their price. ……so I will buy the white one 😋

[@afraza5946]

And less qc issues known

[@calnative4904]

Absolutely

[@shawnlavigne9069]

In Japan, Citizen has always been considered the 'little brother' to Seiko. This always kept Citizen hungry. Seiko has become complacent and lazy. Citizen is making the better watches these days with excellent quality control.

[@MetalMD7]

Sounds like a great idea for a business biopic.

[@atifghafoor6258]

I would say the seiko replacement is orient rather then citizen

[@pb6839]

I disagree with that, Japanese watch fans get far more excited over complicated quartz citizen movements than Seiko automatics. Seiko is just perceived as a cheap automatic watch you buy in shopping mall there. As a Seiko fan, I was a bit disappointed when I realized that, but it also opened by eye to how far citizens quartz movements have come.

[@atifghafoor6258]

@@pb6839 I think citizen is popular for there eco drive watches not there normal battery powered ones.

[@jasongultjaeff9397]

​@atifghafoor6258 I suspect Citizen sell alot more watches worldwide than Orient, who aren't even officially in some markets (like Aus). Citizen have a much larger range, new designs and better technology technology. Orient is big on KZbin and the watch blogs.

[@davect01]

Growing up, I always thought Citizen was a high end brand

[@alexanderm8476]

How wrong you were 😢

[@LawryBoyer]

Same but only bc they had the cool giant colorful chronos and were some of the more expensive options at Macy’s

[@leadreviewer3257]

I like them I wore seiko for over 20yrs and now I have 2 citizen watches I think they are excellent and very good looking

[@djdelarosa25]

idky why but Citizen just never spoke to me in a way Seiko and Orient do

[@MarkDanger777]

​@@djdelarosa25I honestly have the same feeling about seiko instead of citizen. For some reason seikos are so nice but I just cant seem to like it more than citizen models, I like orient stars and citizens more than seikos, also I do have some watches with the seiko nh35 movements and I hate those movements cause they're so bad in accuracy, all of them are 25 to 30 secs off a day.

[@laltromondo84]

I got my first Citizen year 1990. It was a Promaster Aqualand C022, and I am wearing it still today. A batterychange of the three batteries each 3-4 years only. An excellent watch IMHO.

[@Nick-wh4jt]

Got mine right here as well 👍

[@JHamilton791]

In the US, Citizen has been the much more ubiquitous and advertsed "mall" brand for 30+ years. They absolutely body Seiko in sales here. That Blue Angels chrono spinning on a turntable in Macys when I was a kid is why im here today.

[@hyedefinition1080]

Seiko still has had a higher brand perception till now though

[@amvj]

Citizen need to bring more 38mm, 39mm dial watches. Their watches for non-japanese markets are mostly quite big. That is not the case with Seiko.

[@nikolajankovic8326]

Agree

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Indeed, too many 43mm with 21mm lugs!

[@jeanlefranc3817]

Absolutely. A 38 mm, 11 mm thick case elegant eco-drive model with one of these truly nice Citizen dial at around or below €400 would be unbeatable.

[@NotThatOneThisOne]

And, if they're going domed, make the crystal acrylic. It's going to scratch.

[@msmucr]

Exactly my first thought! I'm generally a big fan of Citizen watches, but last 15y or so it suffers that same issue like most of bigger vendors. For year it's almost impossible to buy an affordable, nice looking smaller watch, be it mechanical or quartz. Not sure, who started this fad, that 41-42 mm is a new default case size for everything and maybe after some of moaning, they will now create one, two smaller models from hundred. It should be other way around IMO. My wrist is touch over 18cm, but still appreciate great fit of 36-38mm vintage watches for daily wear, same for many people around me. Of course at a diver, tactical or some busy chronometer - big size makes a sense there. Moreover larger cases require very careful design to successfully accommodate small diameter movement - like with date or day-date position against dial indexes or numerals - often you can see design horrors there :)).

[@DM-0072]

Ive always loved Seiko watches...but Citizen have passed Seiko long ago. Citizen's dive watches are absolutely fantastic and their Eco drive models are really nice. I still love Seiko watches but to me, Citizen is much better in terms of Quality,variety and style

[@leadreviewer3257]

i like it love the blue textured dial and the fact that its a limited edition at a good price sets it apart

[@steveb4012]

As the self confessed Citizen fan, I think the cocktail wins this one comfortably. However, a commendably good effort and I feel this has been a test of the water for Citizen to guage reaction.

[@David-nx2vm]

My Citizen H-145 eco-drive is radio-controlled and has a beautiful navy blue tuxedo dial. Finish, alignment, all spot on. Great daily driver and you never have to adjust it or change a battery. Yes the bracelet/clasp is janky, but that’s the only drawback in my view.

[@markiangooley]

I wore a radio-controlled Citizen for nearly ten years. I wore out five leather watch bands and finally got a steel one. I wear it occasionally now. Still sometimes gets the radio signal.

[@Ashwekar]

Citizen the Citizen Chronometer in the white and more importantly red washi paper looks absolutely stunning. Can't wait to see it in person (if still available) on my trip to Japan

[@elgatto3133]

red washi paper was limited

[@Ashwekar]

@@elgatto3133 :(

[@watchalot919]

I got all excited before I saw the size. It really needs to be 38mm, it also needs to have sapphire at that price.

[@tinyman392]

Citizen needs to do a sub-40mm version of this. I really like the additional lume pips; makes it more useful than than the Seiko; it's a shame that it fades pretty quickly. The Seiko you have does seem to have a much better looking dial. I'm actually wearing my SRPE43 today.

[@kobusvanrensburg4092]

I love Seiko, and I dare say most subs feel the same. However the constant alignment issues, poor spec vs price isn't winning me over anymore. All the Seiko's I now own are older models because they still represented good value.

[@bogrot69]

Same here. People expected their QC to tighten up when they started to bump up their prices but it never happened.

[@darthgiggity7948]

For a Seiko watch to have great specs you now have to spend somewhere close to a thousand US Dollars. For that reason, Citizen, Orient, and of course Casio deserve to get more attention.

[@snacklofter]

👍👍 Totally agree! It's older Seiko's only for me know - I have a Citizen 'Prime' diver - it's superb!

[@paulhopkins1905]

My collection is now down to one Seiko. Their affordable watches all have hardlex and crap bracelets, and misalignment issues. Their more expensive watches are far behind other watches for the same money, and have misalignment issues

[@metatechnologist]

Yea it's sad really. They're trying to shave a dime off here and there and it shows.

[@sivanstar]

Comparing these two beloved brands is quite hard. They both have their own shortcomings. Usually with citizen is a smaller date window and a smaller crowns. I have both citizens and seikos. I guess they both offer diff products for diff customers and theyre both awesome brands!

[@mariog7213]

The crowns might be because citizens focus has been more on quartz watches that don’t require much interaction with the crown. I’m just speculating here but it seems like a reasonable conclusion to me

[@sivanstar]

@@mariog7213 yeah that could be why.. 👍

[@eggsII]

That is a lovely little piece. If you look at it as a GADA, it might be a fantastic addition. It’s more understated than the Presage line, but I’m not sure that’s a bad thing… Presage feels like a dress watch. The Citizen feels a little sportier.

[@steve.oclock3035]

Imo that watch looks a little bit dull. But in general i think Citizen took the Place of Seiko. With Seiko going higher in Price, Citizen is now the Champion kn affordable Watches. The Fujitsubo, the Promaster line and the Tsuyosa are stunning and big seller. Seiko used to be the best bang for your buck when you could buy an Alpinist for 450 $ and an SKX for 200 $. But nowadays Citizen is the Champ of affordable Watches.

[@karlsenula9495]

Orient: "hey what about me???"

[@HaonProductions]

My favorite out of Citizen and Seiko is whichever one makes one of these Cocktail time style dress watches in an appropriate dress watch size. 36mm please!

[@Razor_Burn]

Nice to see another dress Citizen review as the gap to Seiko is closing. Great job Jody and Watch Direct 🎉

[@dazzlerjohnwatchman8215]

The answer simply is Citizen group NOT Seiko! I love Citizen and Bulova. I could care less about Seiko's devotion to Dials its quality control Seiko lacks. So thank you for rising above the one eyed Seiko supporters and giving Citizen the love it deserves. I love Citizen Eco drive, accurate and reliable and still cutting edge in its technology. I will be buying this Citizen watch in the cream, it is glorious. Keep up the good and balanced reviews. Oh Jody I do own some Seiko's but rarely wear them. 😉

[@HillslamsMirror]

Interesting topic. I have indeed seen some amazing Citizen dials. Worth watching. I WILL say that my 2004 Citizen Perpetual Calendar Eco-Drive bought new in '04 and kept ever since has one of the best BRACELETS of any watch I own, and that includes my watches in the $2-4k range. Yup, I said it.

[@nielwilliams4687]

For a long time now, I have considered Citizen the best Japanese watch. Their EcoDrive is amazing. The second hand always lines up with the second indices, the quality is superb and to be accurate to a few seconds a month (usually 4 seconds) is amazing. I would certainly rate Citizen ahead of Seiko.

[@Anirossa]

I got a seiko solar, it does +1s/month reliability I do, however, prefer Citizen for mechanical movements as Seiko should pretty much start using Miyota movements or start trying with thwir own IMHO.

[@daleyfamily2179]

@@Anirossa Why would Seiko us miyota movements? You mean citizen?

[@Anirossa]

@daleyfamily2179 Mean that Seiko should start using miyota and stop producing their own as they are terrible.

[@nielwilliams4687]

@@daleyfamily2179 Miyota belongs to Citizen.

[@Stanjara]

@@Anirossa Ok you are off here. Your time precision is based on quartz tech, and Seiko movement rotor winds the watch in both directions, meaning it won't make such empty spinning noise on your wrist. Lume is also superior. Seiko is one lv above Citizen. Is it worth double the price? It depends.

[@goldencalf5144]

Citizen was my first watch. My dad bought it for me when I was 5. Blue dial, manual wind. Wish I still had it.

[@chriswatchreviews4752]

Currently wearing my Citizen Kuroshio '64 Limited Edition with the Cream Dial that was only available on the Asian market to 1,959 Pieces in each colorway(Signifying the year 1959 when Citizen released their first water resistant watch, the Parawater.) I absolutely love it, and it was a steal on Chrono24 for $275 USD. I definitely think Citizen has caught up to Seiko

[@calnative4904]

Jody, nice review. This would be a great "office" watch. Needless to say I'm a big Citizen dive watch fan and have numerous. As far as Seiko goes I bought one a few years back and was greatly disappointed, and it's only been worn a couple of times. Sadly it really turned me off to the brand.

[@darrentabor4839]

I agree with your conclusion on this dial, but I still think that Citizen Campanola line has the best dials out there. Tetsuo Gido's lacquer dials are breathtaking.

[@Jack908r]

Seiko prices have crept up over the years, while citisen has just kept up plodding along making decent watches. So yes, I agree they have become the better value for money watch.

[@briangeorge7965]

I say it all the time , how can Seiko ,Citizen and overs, not compete with certain micro brands. Sapphire glass , bracelet. Cheers Jody

[@hattyfarbuckle]

and the answer is they generally want to protect the "value" of the models that have the features we want but cost $?00 more. I still find Citizen EcoDrive and Seiko NHs at Sub $200 with Sapphire but they are exceptions/ not popular/ old models

[@Stanjara]

Because Seiko and Citizen make thousands of watches a day in house... while micros buy finished parts without RND, reatail stores and marketing. They also make 500 watches a series and try to sell them through KZbinrs and Instagram.

[@briangeorge7965]

@@hattyfarbuckle thanks for sharing. I don’t wish to get into a massive discussion/ debate . My daily drive is a vintage omega. My bashers are citizens eco Pepsi and Seiko air king . Plus I’m currently making my second watch. Seikos quality control is way past it update day. To bypass none screw down crowns and sapphire and bracelets is beyond explanation. I appreciate your reply

[@gorillasinthewrist]

For the record, I shouted out Vario… I like the subtlety of the dial, but mineral crystal and cheap pressed clasp at this price isn’t good enough.

[@RussellChapman99]

Some great design and value in the Eco-Drive line. No battery required.

[@michaelclark3860]

I just picked up one of the Unite with blue promaster limited editions and the dial is sensational in the direct sunlight. I dare say it would be up there for dial of the year Jody!

[@stevenbetge6538]

I have the green dial. Its true, around the house, I can't see much definition on the dial, but when i wear it during a drive, the sunlight brings that dial to life 🤩

[@genghiskhan7041]

That's a beautiful watch. For the price I would avoid it because of the mineral glass crystal though.

[@hattyfarbuckle]

I love the way the two arrowheads at 12 look the same size as the others but its all let down by the chopped arrowhead at 3... Love the finish and proflle of the case but the bezel, glass and hands look like a 4:45 Friday afternoon rushed selection fron the Citizen parts database. The Seiko dial, hands, bezel and glass look so much more considered.

[@Olddirtytiger]

Love my Citizen Watches 🥰 all 8 of them 😍

[@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm]

Although I really like the cocktail time that you have in the video, I often think they’re trying to hard with some of their other dials. I think this one compares more favorably to a poor man’s Omega aquaracer. And in that comparison $350 US is outstanding for what you’re getting… Thanks, Judy.

[@RampartPh]

i have a tsuyosa and it's incredibly well made and sized universally. their eco-drive line though seems to be produced for those w/ large wrists.

[@007josiah]

I want a citizen chronomaster but I have a hard time spending $2500 on a citizen. Especially when it'll be my first ever +$1000 watch. I can almost get a Grand Seiko (pre-owned) for that price.

[@anthonywhitney634]

Spend $2500 on a Citizen Chronomaster or a G S., they're comparable watches. Get what you like.

[@balders952]

Agree, would rather get a luxury brand like a longines or Oris for that price range

[@hattyfarbuckle]

One of my dream watches is a Citizen Caliber One priced in Rolex territory but offering 1 second per year accuracy. Bonus knowing few people would think it worth stealing

[@lucatangherlini1824]

Citizen wonderful watches but too big.

[@finesse49]

It would make a good every day watch. With the narrow bezel, I'd prefer it at 37mm.

[@jamessmith6402]

From a Seiko fan that is a lovely watch I could cheerfully have that Citizen 👍

[@BOBGAR6]

Citizen needs to drop some serious money at the design department though. Seiko was virtually always sexier

[@ikirikchi]

Jory Goodman (The Time Teller) has an interesting opinion specifically about this type of dials.

[@Miginath]

So glad you are reviewing this model. The history of the Parawater is pretty cool. They left them floating with buoys and people found them floating in the ocean.

[@DumasMoran]

We are spoiled by Chinese watches giving us sapphire for pennies. But I do remember when I first got into watches and was strictly into eco-drives, I found both the AW1490-50A Chandler in titanium with sapphire, as well as the AR3070-04L Stiletto with sapphire, each for under $200. I suppose Citizen is charging a premium for their autos, since the market is kinda forcing them to send a couple westward, even though you can get other-brand watches with better Miyota movements and specs for less $$. There's never been a weaker moment for Citizen to try to make a splash in the auto world, so they need to bring it big time, and that's not ever really seemed to have been Citizen's thing.

[@TravisHi_YT]

I recently purchased a Citizen EO2021-05. I've been waiting years for a small diver, there was no way I was paying the asked prices for an SKX013. Citizen knocked it out of the park, it's an amazing watch. The face, hands & case are gorgeous, even the strap suits it. I have no idea why Citizens aren't talked about as much as Seikos, the tech and build quality are phenominal.

[@jongarzamx]

The battle between Seiko and Citizen will be won by the first to use sapphire within this price range.

[@JHamilton791]

So Orient wins!

[@Firenmage433]

@@JHamilton791😂

[@gnipfl]

Now better? Always has been 😉

[@jackoff1826]

From what I could tell, getting into watches just couple of years ago, Citizen is better, and only more clearly as the more I hear of these Seiko issues that never seem to be corrected.

[@matgreen8605]

I love their eco drive. Great solar action

[@glennbeadshaw727]

Yep 40 Years of battery life which is actually a capacitor

[@jurieprinsloo9618]

I got my first Citizen about a week back, the NK0000-10A (JDM watch)and it is the same case (different finishing) and movement and at the price I paid it was very hard to beat by any Seiko offering. It is also the more classic (vintage?) look with polished hands and a blued second hand, silver/white sunburst dail. I absolutely love it! Nice, video as always, Jody. But we would have to agree to disagree.

[@kensnider4591]

I just bought this watch and I really enjoy it as an everyday. I replaced the bracelet but it's very good for the price imo. Very attractive and wears very well.

[@Substraal]

I bought my first eco drive citizen 8 years ago. It never stopped working Great watch

[@hankhillsnrrwurethra]

At the prices Seiko used to sell, I would put up with the misalignment on their pretty dials. I have the PADI baby turtle and love it. But it looks like it'll be my last Seiko that doesn't have the word 'Grand' in front of it. Seiko is putting out inferior watches at superior prices.

[@EEE_MMM]

Best dials under $500? Zelos.

[@tineye5100]

I think it’s getting there. I’d love to get my hands on a Tsuyosa.

[@Jason-hv4eu]

Good video and review! I agree with all of your points. My initial impressions are good. I’d like the dial, hands and indices. However, the diameter and lug-to-lug are too large. The bracelet needs a greater taper and a better clasp with more micro adjustments. And, of course, I would like to see a sapphire crystal.

[@Spectrecontrol]

This might be the Presage I have been looking for ...

[@nedflanders3769]

I think it's beautiful. I love the dial texture and minimal text.

[@nickythrailkill3268]

Citizen watches are some of my favorites

[@tantu2395]

My experience with Seiko and Citizen only in their entry model, Seiko 7s26 movement is used to gain some minutes in a week time compared to minus some minutes from miyota movement from Citizen.

[@SSS-mp8th]

I have a few Citizens and will be happy to see if they start making some interesting dials and give Seiko some competition on that front.

[@brianmsahin]

I think the best answer is that Seiko are above Citizen in terms of dial design. Citizen have a few good ones but are not competing in terms of the sheer volume of gorgeous dials that Seiko comes up with. This is nice but really copying Seiko here rather than something unique. However Citizen are a great watch maker and I'm sure we will see more from them. The water resistance isn't really impressive. My smartwatch I use to measure swimming laps has 50m water resistance. If this Citizen had 200m water resistance the elaborate story wouldn't sound so stupid. 😂

[@mariog7213]

It wasn’t until relatively recently that I really started appreciating Seiko. If you go to a store like Macy’s that carries both brands, compare the offerings of both without a bias for mechanical movements, it’s clear that dollar for dollar citizen has much higher quality. The thing is that citizen does have some gaudy and/or cluttered designs

[@richardmcginnis5344]

i got a ecodrive chronograph from my girlfriend for christmas 4 years ago and i wear it everywhere except to work where i wear my timex expedition chronograph, don't know why i have to wear a chronograph to work as a painter but it looks really nice when i'm 40 feet up painting the dental work on a 200 year old house

[@KabobHope]

If this watch had been a Seiko the indices would be patterned on actual bird feathers that wafted past the design studio in Japan.

[@oliverwiantrmerholme112]

That’s a looker! Enjoy your day Dr. Jody - looking forward to see the full video when I get off work 😃

[@markdarwin4390]

That is beautiful, in my opinion. Dimensions are also just right for me for that style of watch. would have that in a heartbeat over a Seiko.

[@briankrailerks347]

Check out the new Citizen BN0166-01L. Absolutely stunning dial. The combo of blue and green is stunning.

[@watch_a_mod354]

They keep releasing awesome looking dials and great eeditions of their PROMASTER line. Colorful, fun, intricate dials great specs, great prices. Thats how you win customers. Thats the way seiko did it back then. Nowadays you need to pay 350 up to 500 for a seiko . They arent that collectible anymore.

[@screamlate2]

Looking at that Citizen, it doesn't really 'pop' in any way to my eye. It has a sort of 'generic' feel to it - hard to put into words. But when you brought out that beautiful Seiko towards the end of the video, that really sealed the deal for me. Citizen make some excellent watches, no doubt, but if they want to go head-to-head with Seiko on the dress/cocktail type, they have - as you said - quite a way to go ! Great video !

[@lexschinkel]

I think the parawater dials from Citizen were the most beautiful ever made. So, what else is new 😊

[@wirdy1]

Love citizens & have lots of them, but this one at this price needs a 9000 series inside, sapphire crystal & a milled clasp to be desirable for me.

[@stephenbridges2791]

When you are charging up to $350 for a Seiko 5, you're setting yourself up for a considerable amount of grief. Add to that, a total absence of quality control; and it's not hard to understand. I'd be willing to pay $50 for a Seiko 5 with a crooked dial. Not much more than that, though. Citizen is a much better buy.

[@jamair23]

Jody my man! I'm still enjoying the pleasure of the Cadisen C1032 which you advised almost 4 years ago. It's still beating hard and at $55 CDN it ticks all the feature boxes. Great video mate. Stay Blessed 🙏🏽👊🏽

[@zoltans72]

I bought the Citizen Kuroshio over the Coctail time, mostly because there are not so many of them as the Seiko's and I am not regretting it.

[@stevebrannan4966]

Great review 👍 I think you were right on all counts. It's definitely not in the same league as Seiko, although still has a place in the market at the price. I didn't get the urge to get on the Web to get one where as the Seiko review I did. 👍

[@adamle8878]

i got it for 350 aud brother. cant go wrong with this vintage excellent time piece

[@azdbuk]

I am wearing an an 80's Promaster as I watch this. The secret is out I guess. I do think Seiko is coming out of their nap though.....

[@SampleTracks2224]

I'm ok with as much social media support for Citizen as possible. The range of Citizens available in the UK is poor, but Seiko's is excellent. So really, the more people who swear off Seikos due to groupthink, social-media influencing or anything else, the better - leaving me with less competition and lower prices.

[@MrKylefitzable]

I love my Citizen except the clasp. Spot on review Jodi. Thank you

[@WATCHingJames]

Hmmmm. I like it. But I would pick the Seiko every time.

[@r000my]

Bought my kuroshio 64 for 270sgd earlier this month during 6.6 from citizen on shopre and I love it very much, however my friend mentioned how the dial looks like a butthole and I can't unsee that

[@mrcoolr429]

The answer is yes

[@ignaciopadilla5150]

What a beautiful dial of the citizen shown at the beginning of the video. Does anyone know the reference number of it? It looks like the vintage Seiko Superior Morpho.

[@scottsj4625]

I have been looking for a citizen eco drive dress watch and most are not cheap. Most are super boring too. I like dress watches with leather straps that are soft and comfortable. I wonder if citizen will have it, they are a huge company. So is Seiko.

[@scottlauren3145]

Ahhh I love being early. Citizen have some nice looking watches, but I'm a Seiko fanboy at heart so my answer will always be Seiko.

[@bobyoutube4037]

Morning Jody, it's a meh for me. Not sure the dial is all that, I'm sure seiko will have no concerns about this one stealing their crown. Perhaps it's better in the flesh than on camera

[@josephmarkey9096]

Try getting hold of one in the UK though? I have no idea why Citizen dont stock a fuller range in the UK.

[@SuperSchaps]

Seiko was a good value offering before they doubled their prices. Now, unless you pay 2k, you get a 6R at best and no improvement in QC, which is theft for movements made of punched wheels, plastic gears and horrendous endshakes.

[@Dan-56]

Jody, take a look a Citizen’s “Rolan” line of Eco-Drive watches. Interesting dials and a great price 😉👍!

[@DonCacomixtle]

It reminds me of bulova's american clipper, and honestly i find dial more interesting.

[@AJT296]

I’ve been thinking of buying a citizen eco drive or a Seiko solar for a while. The range of Seikos is very disappointing whereas citizen have a much bigger and much better looking range, plenty of which have sapphire crystal. I think I’m going to wait for their forthcoming eco drive 365 which looks stunning in my opinion.

[@WatchDad79]

I love Seiko but with all the quality control issues lately I’m kind of done buying Seiko’s. My Citizen watches have never had any quality control issues and are very accurate. Love the eco drive

[@matthewhoward7563]

Love the t-shirt. I also love my Citizens they are amazing!

[@wp9409]

I'm literally sitting here wearing my favorite watch, a black gen1 Skyhawk, U600 movement.

[@gjimenez.n]

Citizen is certainly gaining ground in the lower end, where Seiko seems lacking with their new Simplified Seiko 5 line; specially when comparing them spec by spec. However, I still fell that Citizen lacks the distinctiveness and character that Seiko has. Soul, if you will .Nonetheless, Citizen’s recent direction in the last few years appears promising and holds potential. Seiko’s move upmarket leaves a spot that Citizen is filling quite well. It’s all good for us “budget” watch collectors

[@victorutomo7244]

I know you compare it with Seiko cocktail. However, I compare it with Orient Bambino. Dressy 40.8mm with domed mineral crystall.

[@czguy3045]

Hrmm... at first glance, I have to say I really like it. really like that dial. I like the indices and the hands. Definitely don't love the bracelet and obviously hate the clasp thought neither of those are deal breakers as I'd 100% go with a leather strap. I don't love the size for this sort of watch. Seems many of the big companies are just behind the curve with many trends, including size. Five years ago, I'd really have the hots for this watch. I'd EASILY take your Seiko or similar series over the Citizen. Heck, I'd take most of the Bambinos over the Citizen if we're talking just over 40mm casual to slightly dressy watches. Having said that, it's a really nice looking watch that would no doubt make many happy... I just feel it slightly falls apart with some of the details. By the way, LOVE that Seiko! A for effort but I'd give it a B- on leather. C+ with the bracelet as provided.

[@AdAce21]

I think at this point Zelos may be in the running for that title (best dials under $500 USD), although it's hard to argue against Seiko. I wish that stunning Citizen that won your dial of the year last year came in at/under $500 USD.