Why Horologists Love Seiko More Than Citizen!

[@beaubackwoods9328]

Hi Jory, it was me who ask the Question why Nobody talks about Citizen in the live stream 👍🏻

[@Embargoman]

I wear my Timex Expedition more often.

[@nchance1]

Citizen deserves more love in the watch community, Citizen is what peaked my interest in Horology. If you want a nice looking watch, that is also affordable (and reliable) Citizen is a great option

[@appalachiangunman9589]

I’m wanting a Citizen bad right now. I want Eco-drive, radio controlled, chrono, titanium, and sapphire. It can be had for around $700.

[@ashokdeb8365]

Bought a Citizen Eco Drive, titanium in February 2016 and still going strong.

[@gimiked8685]

An eco drive got me into watches.

[@Gojo2OP]

But why have a citizen for 700$ when you can have a seiko for 700$?

[@-.Oz.-]

I know it’s been a year since your comment, but it’s piqued not peaked Usually I wouldn’t point grammar out, but here it changes the meaning of what you’re saying It kind of sounded like you were saying that your interest in watches started waning after you discovered citizen, because after a peak, you only have decline If not for the context of the video, I would not have understood what you meant

[@anthonyuchello2031]

Jory, I thought one of your Citizen bullet points was going to be "Citizen actually cares about chapter ring alignment".

[@ams914]

I'm waiting for Jory to stop being blindly loyal to Seiko. I've switched to Citizen. Evo drives are amazing and they hit all the markers perfectly.

[@carl-williamhumoriste6664]

@@ams914 mine does not hit the marker's, sadly (Citizen Avion eco-drive). I still love it tho!

[@alplain9995]

Mine is perfect As it is the limited edition Blue tooth

[@michaelbarlow6610]

@@ams914 As wonderful as Citizen watches are - and I own a number of Citizen Eco-Drive watches - on many Citizen watches, the second hand does not land precisely on the watch markers with every circumnavigation of the second hand around the watch dial!

[@OscarOSullivan]

Love the Citizen NY0040 Promaster divers

[@2steaksandwiches665]

I’ve had a citizen eco drive for 13 years and it still is ticking and looks pretty good despite lots of use. It will always been in my collection because I bought it when I was broke and it reminds me of my journey

[@az_frontier_8476]

You bought a watch when you were broke. Sounds like me. Citizen for the win, Omega for when you can afford it, nothing else comes even significantly close to them lol.

[@mranderson77]

I just bought an eco drive brand new for $5!!! It's the best watch I've ever had for less than a sandwich! And I'm in the struggle rn

[@2steaksandwiches665]

@@mranderson77 Wait, how did you get one for five dollars?

[@HithereNiceDay]

@@2steaksandwiches665 5 dollars... and a gun?

[@sidharthshivappa1359]

Wow ❤

[@edmunddantes4757]

You won't get anywhere near the qc issues with citizen compared to seiko. In fact I think seiko are taking the piss these days.

[@serenityinside1]

Agreed. Trading on their name and former reputation.

[@henrikhkarpynskyi8712]

Eco-Drive was a real breakthrough in solar watches world. I have old very nicely looking Calibre (with moon phase) with original capacitor - it still works after 15 years (my son wears it now, he likes the face with roman numerals). I think some kind of Eco Drive deserves place in watch collection for it's historical significance next to GShock 5600.

[@marktyler3381]

Battery change is the deal-breaker fir me.

[@markburton9614]

I have a 22 year old citizen eco-drive that seems to work as good as the day I bought it.

[@kinglizzy612]

I couldn't agree enough with this eco drive citizen watches are nice for the price

[@mrhatto]

I have Casio’s, Citizen’s and Seiko’s. I wear a G-Shock more than any other watch. I love my Seiko’s and enjoy wearing them the most. If I were to gift a watch to my nephew/son/brother it would be a Citizen.

[@lebowskiunderachiever3591]

That is exactly what I am looking for , a watch for my nephew's 16 birthday ... Still on the the hunt 🤠

[@TheGaztela]

Tengo G shock, varios Seiko, un Orient. Me falta un Citizen

[@deanspeer1]

Citizen also owns Miyota so IMHO the comparison with Seiko is way more accurate than with Casio.

[@thetimeteller]

Not a bad point!

[@iXus78]

Yeah... Even some Casio are buying & using Miyota movement from Citizen

[@Embargoman]

@@thetimeteller Same as Timex.

[@Zee06]

If I want an affordable automatic I go Seiko, if I want an affordable Quartz.(Eco-Drive), I go Citizen. Both are reliable, and will last. Plus Citizen has the cool Atomic time keeping.

[@ROrneli]

Bulova is not bad neither as far as automatics and affordability, and they are under Citizen

[@anvilangst7573]

Seiko also has the "cool" radio controlled, atomic clock time keeping, and solar/light powered complications. I prefer Seiko due to their longer history, they were the first to introduced the quartz driven movement (which crippled the Swiss mechanical movement for precision, reliability and economy), their leadership in the automatic arena. Both automatics and solar powered are ecology friendly by eliminating the need for replaceable batteries. I believe that Seiko has better customer service. Both Seiko and Citizen are high quality watches, so other factors must be considered to make a choice.

[@Paul-vf2wl]

@@anvilangst7573The brand history is really the only difference

[@JUST5NOW]

Casio tough solar and atomic… is equal or better. Wearing two of them for more then a decade and enjoy.

[@JackDraak]

Zero complaints about my EcoDrive. It's the watch I use to check or set the time on my autos.

[@HFZ916]

Eco-Drives are my no 1 watch of choice for friends and family for the same reasons you gave in the video. I've given 5 Eco-Drives as gifts already.

[@jefferyneu3915]

Yes! I gave my wife a nice Ball Midsize Hydrocarbon. I now believe I should have found her an Eco-Drive in a style she would love. I constantly have to set the time and date for her. She just doesn’t get wearing a watch that isn’t right every time she picks it up. The ladies Eco-Drive Citizens are all too flashy for her. Oh well…. Perfection is difficult to find.😱

[@HFZ916]

@@jefferyneu3915 facts 😂, maybe you should check out solar casio's and seiko's.

[@nezabytes]

Nothing beats ecodrive technology!

[@geratkopfe]

The Citizen Blue Angels family is eminently collectable for aviation, field, and military watch fans.

[@richardbriscoe8563]

As is the Captain America titanium.

[@hugostiglitz47]

Aviation enthusiast here and I just got a blue angel watch, best watch I ever had!!!!

[@ivanmaxwellkahn6053]

You make some interesting good points, but I would also like to add that the finishing on Citizen watches particularly on the entry level models are generally on a higher level than the Seiko's are. Seiko's start's to compete finishing wise as one goes up the price scale. The design aspects of most of the Seiko's are generally much more appealing than most of the Citizen offerings plus Seiko invests more aesthetically into the look of their dial's than Citizen does. I would say Citizen's are superior when it comes to quartz teqnology and Seiko more so in their mechanicals. I have owned both Eco Drive and reqular Citizen quartz watches in the past, and both lasted more than twenty years of daily use whithout missing a beat. I would always recommend them whithout hesitation. Lastly, Citizen watches are on a much higher quality and price scale than Casio. Casio exsell mostly in their digital watch offerings. ⌚

[@tedblack2415]

Agree 100% all valid.

[@MegaRizm]

Does Seiko manufacture Quartz too? Never saw one.

[@ivanmaxwellkahn6053]

@@MegaRizm , Yes, actually they were the first to invent and then produce quartz watches before anyone else did. Check out Amazon for example, you'll see many Seiko quartz watches on offer.

[@richardhurr31]

@@MegaRizm Yes. I have a Seiko quartz.

[@frankmiller95]

@@MegaRizm Seiko is widely credited as the first "major" watch manufacturer to make and promote quartz movements. The Swiss watch industry almost shit themselves before they figured out how to respond and survive. lt's also the reason that the Rolex Submariner, 1680 l bought for $375 in 1975 and sold for $1500 in 1985 is now worth between $22k and $30k. At the time, that seemed like a decent profit.

[@michaelzuccardo5414]

Personally, I think all of the big 3 Japanese watch makers are pretty comparable as far a appeal to the general public. They all have their strong and weak points. I own more Citizen watches that Seiko or Casio, but I like them all for different reasons. I might add that all of the watches I have from the big 3, are solar powered, and function beautifully. I don't see much point in buying a battery quartz watch in this day and age, where similar solar powered watches are so readily available. Solar is more ecologically friendly, and more reliable...ever had a battery watch die on you when you need it most? So, unless there is something particularly special about a quartz battery watch (like a Grand Seiko), I don't see the point in buy one. But that's just me, to each their own. Great video, great topic!!

[@mdunawaym]

I love both. I'm lucky enough to have a Citizen facility in my town, and once a year they have a "sidewalk sale" where all watches are up to 90% off!

[@joseasap5129]

Where are you located lol

[@mdunawaym]

@@joseasap5129 Torrance California! Come on down!

[@FabienTeulieres93]

Wow, in Torrance, good to know. Thanks for the tip. What time of the year do these fire sales usually take place?

[@mdunawaym]

@@FabienTeulieres93 It's the Thursday, Friday and Saturday the week before Thanksgiving. Lots to choose from!

[@mdunawaym]

@@FabienTeulieres93 It's the Thursday, Friday and Saturday the week before Thanksgiving. Lots to choose from!

[@hectormonclova7563]

Have three Citizens, all Eco-Drive, and four Seikos, one 5, two solars and a Kinetic (well, the last one I gave to a second cousin that I love like a son). While the Citizens have never failed me, always a second to three per month, The Seiko solars and the Kinetic their capacitators stopped working, I had to put them new capacitators, and one is waiting for the fix.

[@hectormonclova7563]

Meant one to three seconds ahead...

[@NiC1Z]

I started getting into watches thanks to my Nighthawk. Citizen will always have a special place in my heart

[@ExpeditedProductions]

Another thought….Seiko still has the “it is just a Seiko” vibe to it when it comes to non watch people. I have met at least three Grand Seiko wearers in the last year and as soon as I said “nice watch, Seiko, right?” the were extremely grateful and happy I noticed ….chatted watches a bit, but every time they all said “yes the new spring drive GMT, or whatever blah blah blah- it is even better than Rolex…..instantly putting themselves under a microscope or wanting validation or whatever….pretty much like they are trying to convince themselves it is better than a Rolex…. Here is the thing…..if you want a Rolex….buy it…..Seiko will NEVER have the cache of Rolex….it will have the cache of Citizen and Bulova though……always……always…..to non watch people at least….when I have met Citizen watch wearers. They simply say. Yeah it is just a Citizen, but I love it…..they don’t quantify it….they just love it…..will watch nuts like us know that SpringDrive is cooler than EcoDrive…yes. Will anyone else…..well……go ask anyone on the street which costs more a Rolex Airking or a Seiko SpringDrive (use the Sgla007 for arguments sake)……they WILL say Rolex…..they will also want the Rolex….soooo the point is…if you want a Rolex - buy one…not a Seiko….want a bad ass Seiko…buy a spring drive….want a great Japanese watch that won’t break the bank….buy a Citizen

[@modernclix29]

Yeah… I’m not…reading all…that…

[@ExpeditedProductions]

@@modernclix29 that's fine. Wasn't written for those that don't want to read it !

[@timwillocks4695]

What's with all the dot dot dot.......?

[@ExpeditedProductions]

@@timwillocks4695 signifies a pause or break in thought….could use a comma, semicolon, or dash…..anyway…..be well…..

[@timwillocks4695]

@@ExpeditedProductions okay......I .....see....peace....out

[@spicydragon3881]

I own both and love both. I am a HUGE fan of CItizen's Promaster line, they are tough as nails, always working, always accurate, look good and personally, I think Citizen does far better with their QC. Citizen also has their 'Chronomaster' line and just released another line of ULTRA high accuracy (also ultra expensive) movements/watches. I love both brands, but you cannot get nearly the quality/features per dollar with Seiko that you can with Citizen.

[@anvilangst7573]

I disagree, I give the edge to Seiko and unless you are a trained, professional Horologist, my opinion is just as valid as yours. I do also, have some favorites among the Citizen watches, Bulova and even Casio (the Edifice series). For me, precision, accuracy, function and style are first consideration, with economics being the next consideration, although, I won't needlessly overspend for any specific function or style. For precision, Citizen and Seiko are top dog with their atomic clock radio controlled complications. Next in line is the Bulova Precisionist series (262,000 Hertz quartz crystal at +/-10 SECONDS per year vs 26,800 Hertz at 2-3 MINUTES per year for other manufacturer's). I absolutely LOVE the Bulova continuous sweep second hand...just like a high end Swiss movement.

[@22043sam]

I'll side with Citizen every time. I am a dive instructor and have 3 or 4 Seiko dive watches, a Doxa, a couple of Omega Seamasters, and 3 Citizens. Other than for show, I always wear my Promaster Diver for work. >1000 dives on it.

[@chrisbradshaw7708]

I think you hit the nail on the head here. It's almost Coke vs. Pepsi. Once I swore on Pepsi, now I only drink Coke. When I was younger and "liked" watches I wore a Citizen. When I grew older and became more of an "enthusiast" I gravitated to Seiko. Funny how tastes change because Citizen does make some great pieces. My formal dress watch is a Bulova that I have had for over 20 years.

[@planetdee3587]

My dress watch is a Bulova also. Both Citizen and Bulova make amazing watches in my opinion and are probably the best affordable companies with brand prestige (at least in my area).

[@frankmiller95]

Mine is an undetectable Ziarex fake Submariner...... Only kidding. l like quartz movements. Really good mechanical watches are great, relatively inaccurate examples of highly developed, antique engineering. Really cool in concept, but hardly the best option for an accurate, reliable, very low maintenance timepiece.

[@RichardHorpe]

citizen is hitting the higher end this year with their super pricey in house movement automatic watch. I think citizen still needs to bring the watch size down and introduce more interesting designs. But it has potential for sure. they have lots of cool stuff that they barely advertise like the quartz watch that loses like 3 seconds per year.

[@LobsterRavioli]

I’d have to agree with you. The size is what really bothers me. The sizes are just a bit too big.

[@alanhumphrey4198]

I like big watches!! But nothing larger than 43 mm which is what most of my Citizen watches are.

[@gmbell258]

If I recall correctly. Citizen make the most accurate watch you can buy with the Calibre 0100.

[@iXus78]

You missed to mention that Citizen also own La Joux Perret, a Swiss movement manufacturer, which also own brands like Angelus and Arnold & Son. Citizen also make cheap watches like Q&Q for the lower masses consumers and high end collections like Campanola and Chronomaster (also called 'The Citizen). Most of which follow watch KZbin channels are of course a watch enthusiasts hardcore or not. You are right about the average Joe, they does not know much about brand history or tier level of most watch brands. They buy because the design interested them, affordable in their price range, convenience quartz or solar which is a grab & go watch and accuracy. As for Seiko, most of their collections are from their previous old catalogs. Example; Turtle, Tuna, Monster, 300MM, 62Mas, Capt.Williard and etc. Seiko hardly have new design comparing to Citizen. How Seiko is targeting their watch enthusiasts, are to keep making and selling the same watch design with changing different colors (and specs sometimes), like what Casio is doing with their G-Shock; example DW5600 and DW6900, just keep changing the colors of strap and case. Citizen and Seiko are both great watchmakers brand with rich history and well recognize in the horology world. Citizen are more adventurous in their collections with new design and innovative technology. On the other, Seiko loves to look back their old collections and reissue them for sales. For conclusion I love my Japanese watches, Citizen, Seiko and Casio (even Orient too)☺️

[@CraigRasmussen1]

In comparing the two brands, check out two things. 1. The bracelet for fit, comfort, and workmanship. and 2. Quality of case finishing and dial operation. I have both brands and I think Citizen wins….hands down. Their bracelets are finished better, are more comfortable, and feel like an expensive watch bracelet. A lot of Seiko bracelets just feel cheaply made. The minute and second hands of Citizen watches line up on minute markers on all my 7 watches. The bezels on my dive watches have the “0” marker line up perfectly with the 12 marker on the dial. With both of my Seiko divers, the bezel “0” was on one side of the 12 marker or the other. Also the second and minute hands were slightly off the minute marker when the second hand hit 12. Little things like this cause me to favor Citizen. And…the Citizen Eco Drive is just a butt kicker. Just put them on and go. And they are ungodly accurate. Citizen watches are under estimated. They make damn good, accurate, and affordable watches.

[@xx1j]

Citizen also bought Ateliers de Monaco, their watches are the ones that can content vs Credors or the upper level Grand Seiko (or even Patek, Vacheron, Lange, those levels basically).

[@timgore829]

I think the fact that Seiko makes more (and better) mechanical movements, is a big reason why. I love Seiko. I also love Citizen and own 3 or 4 eco-drive watches all of which are high quality, well made watches. I enjoy quartz as well as mechanical watches.

[@Sama3L]

Citizen vs. Casio would be interesting. I'm a big fan of Casio's Edifice Line

[@peteduran2545]

What drives me crazy about Citizen is the oddball lug widths.

[@jefferyneu3915]

It WAS annoying trying to finding a strap I love for my Blue Angels. Fortunately, Barton makes the silicone Elite in the needed size.

[@thewheelieguy]

A 20mm band works really well on a 21mm watch using 21mm springbars -- especially a leather or elastic band will spread ever so slightly to cover a gap that was only 0.5mm on each side to start with.

[@wheresmycheese8511]

Seiko has been helped by featuring in a heap of movies

[@jjbuckmaster7059]

9 Seiko’s 6 Citizen’s 6 Casio’s presently in my collection. They all have their pluses and minuses and will always have a place in my collection! Thanks Jory!

[@hqz787]

I have Seiko, Citizen, Casio, Timex, Russian, homage and vintage watches, and love them all... if it tells the time and looks cool, it's fine by me... 👍⌚

[@hulkslayer626]

When I was in my 20's, I used to buy Armitron/Relic etc... watches because i wanted to have a watch collection. But then I fell out of love with collecting watches and stopped wearing them altogether. Until my cousin bought me the Citizen Tony Stark watch. By far the most expensive watch I ever had! Loved it! Huge Marvel fan. And honestly it is gorgeous. It is my favorite watch, and probably always will be. I wanted to wear it all the time, but i didn't want to get it damaged at work, so after watching a LOT of KZbin watch videos, i got a Casio G-Shock. So i had an everyday watch and a work watch. Now i wanted a Sunday watch(my only day off) so i got a Seiko SNKN37, my first automatic watch. So now I had a quartz watch with a rubber strap, a solar watch with a bracelet and an automatic watch with a leather strap. And best of all, the Citizen was a gift, the G-Shock was half off ($70) and the Seiko was on Clearance ($60), so I didn't pay full price for anything. My collection is complete.... HAHAHAHAHA still can't stop watching watch videos and planning my next purchase and trying to justify it lol

[@johndavidg.3962]

Heeey! This subject touches home really well! I'm more or less a citizen fanboy myself cuz when I bought my first "luxury" watch, and ... my First watch, really, was a Pro Master, Diver with depth meter, chronograph, without a tachymeter, but a dive timer bezel, for me it was THE Ultimate ONE watch collection, it did EVERYTHING you can ask from a watch to ever do. It was and still is one of my favorite watches, the Citizen BJ2115 Series, right now, I'm hardly working to convince myself that a Seiko skx 009 is better than my citizen Ny0040, which frankly, it is not, my citizen the watch goes one-minute sloe A WEEK, while the skx009 is one minute in the future A DAY, and I took it to a watch repair shop and they said they regulated it and guess what it doesn't work while my Ny0040 I bought from an Italian War Veteran, so I presume the watch Does have more history than I can Ever have. My point is, Seiko is overrated, I'd rather wear my Trusty F-91W or GShock over the skx all day er' day!

[@Profanity92]

Citizen got The Citizen Chronomaster lines and the 001 caliber though, I have no idea why enthusiasts always go with GS’ 9F if they want quartz. Go Citizen!

[@benkenobi6582]

If Citizen put out more automatic watches in the 250-500 dollar range they would clean house

[@louis111]

Seiko has been my nr. 1 for many years now.

[@BrittPearceWatches]

Oh man! I love them both! But my heart definitely leans more Seiko. ❤️

[@Chimney1966]

I have had a Casio (W-250 Marlin) since 1982 (and it still works) and currently having 5 Casio's (all operational) and I have had Citizen watches since 1986 (two retired, three operational in current rotation) Seiko's since 1994 (sold one, still have 4 operational) and two Orient watches and two Orient Star watches (all those 4 Orients in current rotation) They all form my Japanese watch collection. And they form the daily use watch rotation. They are all good. But for me it is often choice between Orient and Citizen, as Seiko's tend to be "background players" (unless really needed specific function eg Chronograph) in use 'sometimes' and "Casio's tend to be in use when going gets tough..." So, from my viewpoint; Citizen vs Orient might be even more interesting than Casio vs Citizen... As said, they are all good watches...

[@Dante80]

Citizen is a bigger company, and sells more watches than SEIKO too. It's just that most of their reaaally good lines tend to stay inside Japan and can only be bought as JDM imports. Chronomasters, Exceeds, Attesas, Campanolas etc etc. It's somewhat unfortunate, but oh well..C: Citizen is also world leader on Titanium alloy/coating technologies (see Duratect), and they license their tech to other companies, even outside the watch industry too!

[@SHAARINGUN]

Casio is just on another level compare to any other watch brands.

[@Nightmareman3]

I agree.

[@niamohamed9898]

God tier

[@reverselee3218]

Agreed. A god amongst men.

[@renngretsch]

Two words MILLED CLASPS

[@Embargoman]

Same as Timex

[@RADIOTHEARTIST]

A lot of citizens vintage pieces which I have some in my collection are very underrated and cool. Like the crystal seven for example.

[@WatchWitt]

Great comparison…never really thought about Seiko catering more to watch enthusiasts, but I think you nailed it. Still love both brands…!

[@paulrylatt9642]

Don't forget about the Bulova Precisionist. +/- 10 seconds a year and affordable. I've had mine for 3 months and 0 second error.

[@rayseaman6204]

I have always been impressed with the quality of both the Citizen and Seiko watches. I really could not choose between them.

[@thereader7776]

I've had a few Seiko automatics and I like them but here's the problem they all needed adjustment after a week or two as they weren't accurate.. Casio does not measure up..

[@arspistorica562]

It boils down to design language; namely, Seiko has one, and markets it better. E.g., everyone mentions that Seiko grows its own quartz crystals; well, so does Citizen. Or that Seiko is completely vertically-integrated; so is Citizen (Citizen does Seiko one better, and manufactures the equipment used to make its watches). Seiko is much, much better at managing their brand image. (It also helps that Seiko's design language appeals to enthusiasts, since most models are sporty-dressy, and feature case sizes in the enthusiast-preferred 36-to-40mm range. I couldn't even begin to describe Citizen's design aesthetic since it's so jumbled.) Seiko designs better watches; Citizen builds them.

[@cgoodwin256]

As a machinist, the fact that Citizen is a leader in screw type lathes because they wanted to make their watches better is the reason I got into watches and why I'll always love Citizen.

[@XDJani0]

Eco drive + radio control is the best combo for reliable timepiece. Sure, it depends on geography, but I think in Europe and Japan Citizen is unbeatable in this category.

[@vintageswiss9096]

Citizen has the single most accurate watch model ever created on earth. Seiko just has better marketing.

[@williamhill7312]

I just bought the Citizen Kurashiro, it compares well with any Presage, mine has the Green dial so I'm pleased with Citizen's efforts in the Automatic Mechanical sector

[@peterwoodaman5936]

Just got my first citizen pro master black dial green bezel. Love it so much. Have a good one - Peter from New Hampshire

[@indytim]

Citizen watches have never let me down. Seiko watches have repeatedly.

[@carl-friedrichmeier8334]

As a watchmaker I love them both, but I miss the awesome automatic chronographs from the 70s...

[@xnihilo1044]

After my Seiko crapped out after two months, my love goes to Citizen. I have four Eco-Drives now. Flawless.

[@jefferyneu3915]

I love both Citizen and Seiko. I own more Seiko, but there are several Citizen models I would love to pick up! My latest preowned Citizen purchase was a Skyhawk Blue Angels AT model. It’s a little picky about where in my house it will pick up the atomic clock signal, but I have worked it out so I can keep it on a south facing window sill. There it gets plenty of light to keep charged and reliably picks up the atomic clock signal. it does world time zones, has a chronograph, count-down timer, GMT dial and is always perfectly accurate. I will never use the calculations on the bezel, but it is also cool to look at! The Seiko “Flighty” IS also very capable, but is neigher solar nor atomic clock radio sync. For me, the Citizen wins every day of the week!

[@thetravelingnomad6203]

I travel a lot, and eco-drive has been a great companion (Navihawk does everything). Also a loss, regardless of reason, won't hurt too bad, financially that is. Reliability, toughness and good looking tool watches. I like them so much I do have a beater/diver, a Weekend, a daily and a chrono of eco drives to wear depending on the moods!

[@clayfallis9169]

Thanks for mentioning my SUN065. Love it

[@ILiveAndBreathe]

Thanks! This confirms my gut feeling about buying a citizen divemaster.... all I want is for it to always work and be able to go swimming and snorkeling with it!

[@MichaelandCathy1999]

I’m rocking a Casio GD-350, GA-2100-1A1, and Seiko Arctura Kinetic Chronograph, circa 1990 in VG condition. I’ve got a brand new Citizen Promaster SST Ecodrive on layaway at my local AD and I can’t wait to get it on my wrist.

[@johnadams3107]

Citizen does have some great watches like THE CITIZEN,Fugu divers,rick mears tough eco-drive,as an example.however they have a lot,and I mean a lot of watches where there is so many things going within the dial its hard to get a quick read,very cluttered and quirky designs.

[@LockheedMartinF22Raptor7]

I only bought my Citizen is to use it as a beater around my workplace. But holy hell it sure takes a beating.

[@rodrigogutierrezreyes4702]

I think Citizen is great. I do think that their design and models are a bit more out there than most Seiko's and that's why people maybe don't talk about them as much, but they have some amazing watches with beautiful finishing too. Talk about the Series 8, the Caliber 0100 dress watch, the "in-house" Caliber 0200

[@wikster6630]

I've wondered a bit why I rarely see reviews for Citizen watches on the various you tube channels I follow regularly like yours. You may be right on the collector aspect for seikos. Like my sarb033 and sarb017 that were added to the collection back when this rabbit hole opened up. Lol! I do have 2 Citizens in there as well. One ecodrive promaster tsuno chronograph and a grand classic with the 9184 movement which runs at 28k bph. Both are great looking watches and built well. They both make some awesome watches, seiko just seems to get the most attention like you said. And as far as the casio comparison, all I have in casio are my 3 Gshocks. Thanks for the reviews you provide, and the rants are entertaining as hell at times. Good luck with the sour patch auction!

[@edwinthomas618]

i started with Seikos but Citizen has captured my heart. QC is better for Citizen now. I love my Citizen Jp2000-08e diver more than my Tuna now

[@VoodooMike]

I suppose you could describe me as a watch enthusiast, and I have a radio-controlled Citizen Ecodrive as my beater watch. I have no idea what model it is, but it looks nice and I can pick it up and throw it on without worrying about setting or winding or changing the battery etc. Perfect for those mornings when you're running late etc.

[@possisvideos]

the high end citizen have the same quality as grand seiko. and citizen has the incredible cal.0100 with plusminus 1 a year! i collect both brands.

[@brianwood9074]

Seiko man myself, grand, king or any watch with a Seiko automatic movement I'm all about it..

[@javierpatricioromero8564]

I think you're right at this point, but Citizen just released the 200 series an entirely new generation of high-end calibers at premium prices, so maybe Citizen is planning a comeback at the top tier.

[@Pitsenberg]

Spot on. I really like my Citizens and couldn't agree more!

[@lostgrunt7833]

Ive got several of both.. enjoy both for what they are! One thing i really love about the citizen i have is its perpetual calendar! White ice looking dial, eco drive, just the way it looks. It's a really nice watch. I've also got a seiko perpetual calendar that's a kinetic quartz.. silver & black. Black dial.. it's got my favorite hands, one of the best looking watches i own, but i enjoy switching out my watches from time to time & i have work watches & watches that i just enjoy. My problem with the kinetic seiko..... i have to wear it! I can't give it enough wrist time at home to keep it charged & i do not want to wear it to work & scratch it up. I bought a winder.. not for my mechanical watches but to charge my kinetic only to find out that don't work. My eco drive... well i just give them a little sunnyshine time & they are happy as can be..

[@easye47]

Seiko, Citizen and Casio are the holy trinity of budget bangers.

[@e28forever30]

With Casio on top. Nobody combines affordability and reliability like Casio.

[@aidahirai1020]

no seiko used to be but now its orient citizen and casio

[@claudiustanciu05]

I got all od the holy trinity (Seiko, Citizen, Orient) and i absolutely love them equally. All have their own particularities & also Orient is extremly underrated.

[@paulhiggins8774]

Citizen do make some lovely watches that don’t have cross eyed workers putting their watches together

[@renngretsch]

As an amateur watch builder that has no depth perception, I must say that I think I could do better than Seiko!

[@dzyknior4977]

Good video, thanks. When you look at the divers line of watches Seiko are definitely more iconic and collectable and look better and appeal more to collectors. However, if you compare a Citizen Eco Drive diver to a Seiko Solar diver, Citizen is way better value ie signed crown, solid end links, milled clasp, comparable loom and a chapter ring that is aligned properly. And you can get a ISO certified Citizen diver for about €210 from a bricks and mortar store with all of the above. Some Seiko divers more than 3 times that price don't offer that level of finishing.

[@zoel86]

i would pay 25 shrute bucks for that sourpatch.

[@paolocruz8392]

Citizen has the Q&Q brand that targets Casio and Swatch markets, then the Reguno brand a little bit upscale so is their Beauty and Youth brand. I believe they still have other brands under their umbrella targeting multiple markets.

[@k0sm1cVRFS]

My first decent quality watch I’ve ever owned is a citizen eco drive that I got a few years ago. Still really love it and think I’ll get a new one at some point and stick with that brand. Great to watch your videos and learn about the different brands.thanks 👍

[@brianpritchard2408]

I love and collect both brands. I have a Seiko 5 6119 8073 watch stolen from my RAF locker in 1972 returned to me from Australia 34 years later a long and convoluted story. I own a Citizen Bullhead Chronograph now worth silly money since appearing in a movie. I also have a very unusual orange and cream coloured Promaster Bullhead LCD chronograph. So I rate both brands about the same in desirability.

[@williamrichardson3776]

15 years ago I bought my first divers watch from Zales. It was the first watch I'd owned that had a screw down gasketed crown. Water got in the watch. Took it back to Zales believing it was a warranty failure. It was returned and repaired no charge. They sent a note along with the watch asking me to please remember to screw down the crown snug next time I set the watch. Water came in through the crown I'd left out. The watch company? Citizen. That was my first Citizen. It has not been my last.

[@gustavoheberle6265]

I love both of them, and I have several models of each. They are rugged, nice looking and fairly precise for the price.

[@harveytrevino2257]

I love the Citizen PCAT with the Blue leather strap, etc.. Omg.. What a beautiful watch.

[@geindor]

You have one major mistake there. Not Seiko, nor Citizen appeal to a true watch collector. Not to mention Casios. You wont be able to replace a Seiko, or a bunch of Seikos or Citizens with a true collector's owned watch. Having said that; We know that Citizen has its own high end watches. They use the brand 'The Citizen' to market very high end and high quality, some are limited editions watches. A good example is the 0200 caliber watch. It is just like Seiko uses their own high end brand, the 'Grand Seiko'. The comparison between Citizen and Casio is somewhat ridiculous. The brands aim for a much different niche. While a Casio watch suppose to be filled with the latest features, keeping the best technological value and advancement, Citizen is aiming more towards bringing a watch to the consumer for what it is - a watch.

[@Mr1MOA]

That's right, I have 4 Citizen watches and love them.............3 of them are Eco-Drives and 1 is an automatic.

[@garyweber8201]

I've owned several over the years, and I've always loved my Citizen watches. The Blue Angels-themed Skyhawk is my personal favorite, but anything with the U680 movement has been fantastic.

[@Strannix1979]

I recently de-toxed myself from an Apple Watch stint and went straight to Seiko. Bought a Prospex Samurai PADI and am trying to find a valid excuse for me to buy an LX with SD movement. I will find the excuse soon I’m sure. In the meantime I discovered this channel and I like it a lot. Thank you for your work!

[@JusTheKing.]

Casio and Citizen are my favorites. Great watches without breaking the budget. Seiko is nice too, but they can get waaayyyy too expensive when you can get what they offer (and more at times) for MUCH cheaper from other brands.

[@micheal903]

Citizens are actually per capita more expensive than seikos

[@richarddsmarais3865]

got some of both, they both have their place in my collection...

[@jh565bb]

I don't actually get it, but at the same time I do prefer seiko for the looks. But I have a seiko 7002 and a 74 citizen 21 jewel day/date and the citizen has manual wind, the seiko doesn't. They didn't put manual wind in their watches for a long time even in the skx007 to my knowledge. So for me, my heart says seiko, but my head says citizen is a better, I feel I get more bang for my buck with citizen.

[@Yguo5]

My first watch is a citizen ecodrive. Worn that for 7 years exclusively. Then got a GS snowflake. Now I’m wearing a Casio for the past 1 year exclusively.

[@XHobbiesPrime]

I actually have one of those 2020 Presage limited editions. So I chuckled a bit when I saw it flash on screen. :D

[@MyWatchTherapy]

I have a sun065 with the tuna can. Love it!

[@rodsalvador3608]

Have you seen the Citizen Series 8? Beautiful!

[@clockworkbike]

Great video. Keep em coming.

[@TheCalamorro]

Although I love watches, I am not a collector, but I buy the watches that I need for my activities. Of course: I prefer that they be mechanical, if possible. In that sense, for diving, I have chosen a Citizen Promaster Fugu. For travel, I use a Seiko GMT SSK003. And for paragliding, and sometimes for diving too, I use my Casio BM 100w Altimeter Barometer Depth Gauge.

[@papawoody9597]

You nailed the difference between horologists and average Joes.

[@vidalaguilera7603]

I have both and tend to wear my Seiko more. I do like citizens chronomaster and was thinking of getting the white paper dial.

[@TheRealBrook1968]

I have both of us and seiko's for semi-formal or formal occasions. I have good-looking citizens and cascio's for daily wear. I do love my squares citizen paradigm gold and black watch for formal occasions

[@Vv20vV]

Citizen offers way more A-T Radio Controlled pieces vs Seiko. Tbh, as of right now, I cannot even think of a single radio controlled Seiko piece.. Never owned a Seiko Solar/Kinetic yet, so I cannot compare it to Citizens Eco Drive; but I do know Citizen makes more eco drives than Seiko does solar/kinetic. So you’re right about the saturation of eco drives in the market giving them a thumbs up in that department. But through my looking glass/experience, Citizen leans more towards the newer generation and nerdy watch enthusiasts & Seiko leans towards the collector as you’ve stated with the automatic/mechanical saturation in the market. I am a growing collector, with about 12 watches in my collection & am a millennial. I do posses 2 Citizens in my collection, zero Seikos as of right now. But my passion for watches did start with a Seiko gifted to me by my parents on my 16th Birthday. It was my daily beater back then, no longer have it as I junked it long ago. But I do plan on adding some Seikos to my collection soon. But being versatile in my watch collecting traits, I can say I do appreciate Citizen’s A-T Radio Controlled options that satisfy my nerdy side of my personality. I hope they continue (along with Casio) continue making radio controlled watches as it’s a neat technology for some & I am in that cult following with those!

[@aeropsyche]

I have a 70's era Citizen Bullhead chronograph & new Seiko 5 SRPD63K1. I like both of them but, there is surely some magic in the Bullhead that no other watch in my collection has. The best impulse buy for me yet😂

[@TBombz]

Citizen just has so much more interesting options to choose from. And they're more affordable and when I see the watches in person the Citizens almost always look higher quality. But my Seiko Samurai Manta Ray is my favourite watch I've got.