Is Commander Philip Graves Evil? (Modern Warfare 3 Story)

[@frostburn3736]

More like "judge, jury and executioner for hire". End of the day, he's just mercenary looking for the paycheck. But no necessery evil. Remember who he was like before the gate incident and that he gave TF141 and Vargas a choice to walk away. He may be a cowboy gun-for-hire, but he's got the rules.

[@Deathmare235]

He’s also a pretty nice guy, as long as he isn’t ruined by “creative writing”

[@anotherHelldiver]

Professionals have standards.

[@mrv1nce196]

bro he murdered civs🙏😭

[@frostburn3736]

@@mrv1nce196 Whose were in cohorts with Narcos or looked the other way. And the chain goes on. I'm not trying to justify Graves, however there never was such thing as "clean warfare". End of the day some bystender or other unlucky soul gets caught in crossfire. There is no escaping it, just praying.

[@antoniothehedgehog6098]

I don't think he's evil he's an anti hero

[@Deathmare235]

No he’s just a hero

[@codm22712]

He’s not evil doss he do evil stuff yeah kinda some of witch is illegal but so dose 141 anti hero or hero idk

[@makokiller13]

Anti heros don't kick down doors merc'n random people on a whim. Also...if you have allies, you generally don't try to kill them with a Tank?

[@makokiller13]

​@@codm22712"Illegal", not evil. 141 don't kill civilians.

[@chargedup803]

​@makokiller13 that's exactly what a anti hero would do. Also he wasn't in the tank so who knows who was controlling it

[@Rares_G4H]

Graves is more of a vigilante. The war crimes he committed in Las Almas were executing corrupt cops or people involved in cartel. So he is somewhere in between good and evil.

[@agentlinrov1474]

How do some people miss that fact? We were clearly shown that Graves only attacks those he deemed as combatants, not obvious civilians.

[@messchleichs]

@@agentlinrov1474 I've watched a lot of vids of people playing the game on youtube, and sadly most of them don't actually pay attention to the story and then spread what little (wrong) information they got :(

[@Deathmare235]

Definitely good, him killing civilians was a writing mistake

[@agentlinrov1474]

Shepherd also screwed Graves over with the failed black bag operation back in MWII. Guessing from there, Graves wanted revenge for his fallen soldiers. And you bring up a good point. Graves never intended to kill Soap, Ghost and Alejandro after the reveal. He wanted them out of the picture, even only detaining Alejandro's comrades. It was only when Alejandro justifyingly assault Graves for his betrayal, that was when they got on the defensive. If Shadow Company wasn't stuck with Shepherd, they would have been great allies to TF 141 and the ULF.

[@triancirc]

No he wanted to kill Soap and Ghost. In the mission you had to craft items you hear him talking to his shadows while burning a house about capturing TF141 and he said “you know my preference” with regard to alive or dead. Pretty obvious.

[@Deathmare235]

How did shepherd screw them up it was a failed operation and there was no point sending reinforcements, the men there were already dead and if anything graves was acting like the villain in that situation

[@NeilB4Zod-gz8vv]

@deathmare they were close enough to base that air support could have been used but Shepard did not want to

[@drunkvax]

Shadow Company is still a major ally to 141 and ULF. Alex and Farah willingly worked with Graves even after knowing what occurred in Las Almas. Shadow company also helped them in their last assault on Konni in Urzikstan, and I believe Shadow company operators were actually on the ground with 141 and ULF as well

[@agentlinrov1474]

@@drunkvax I mean that they wouldn't have the initial bad blood developed during the events of MWII. The 141 were wary when they learned the ULF and SC are allies and even if Farah vouches for them, it's still an uneasy truce... despite Graves trying to rekindle.

[@mrmuhammedalfadhli]

Bro he's just doing his job

[@greatsambino2060]

Literally beat me to it, following and complex completing orders he’s been given by COC very easy to comprehend and understand fn ink 🤦🏻‍♂️ 🫡 🇺🇸 #WHERESMAKAROV

[@Deathmare235]

@@greatsambino2060the orders were dumb though maybe that says more about shepherd than him

[@greatsambino2060]

Even though they might of been dumb orders, they were orders that he was given by his commander and he is a gun for hire remember he gets to carry out what’s been given to him #WHERESMAKAROV

[@Deathmare235]

@@greatsambino2060 still should question dumb ass orders also I wonder what shepherd actually said

[@nickcozzie6614]

@@Deathmare235dumb or not he’s being payed… big money

[@ThasMoneyBro]

I think he’s a “do whatever is needed” type of guy. He works with who benefits him more

[@Deathmare235]

But always with the good guys though

[@Shxlbyyy]

He was a Marine Raider before he was a contractor, which is probably where he met shepherd and has the connections to recruit the way he does.

[@Deathmare235]

I felt like he met shepherd when he became a PMC

[@Shxlbyyy]

@@Deathmare235 Shepherd is very evidently a SOCOM or JSOC commanding officer, the raiders would've worked with or directly under him at some point in time, you wouldn't just hire a random contractor to do these things for you, unless you knew him prior

[@Deathmare235]

@@Shxlbyyy or the contractor has a very good reputation

[@ThePawsketeer]

@@Deathmare235and what better reputation than serving in the American military and directly/indirectly serving the person who would later hire you as a soldier of fortune

[@Deathmare235]

@@ThePawsketeer seems like that would make him too close to shepherd

[@kwamaycampbell32]

He plays both side to gain a profit. Due to him being a contracted military service HAH

[@Deathmare235]

He never works with the bad guys though

[@kwamaycampbell32]

To be honest the term bad guy is subjected to perspective that's what I think stillz

[@Deathmare235]

@@kwamaycampbell32 Makarov is a good guy?

[@kwamaycampbell32]

@@Deathmare235 fam the f work with a huge no sir

[@kwamaycampbell32]

@@Deathmare235 to word what I say better when I say bad guy is subjective it would be based of dessisions amde by that person and interpreted by ppl around them

[@TheHuntsman570]

Commander Graves' backstory is in his bio in multiplayer. He's an American (pretty sure a Texan), a proud former MARSOC Raider, and founder/CEO of Shadow Company. If u ask me he is an anti-hero. He is a blind patriot (like Shepard) who was tired of the gov red tape and wanted to make some cash doing what he loves to do. He doesn't see his own actions as evil, but "necessary" for the "greater good in the name of God, and country." If those actions get him paid, even better.

[@Deathmare235]

How is he a patriot if he’s a mercenary

[@TheHuntsman570]

@@Deathmare235 a "patriot" is defined as someone who vigorously supports his or her nation etc etc. Notice how I said "blind patriot?" What i meant by that was, someone who's views are blurred/skewed or simply following orders "blindly" in the name of loyalty to the country. Doing things that go outside the lines of morality in their own belief of what patriotism is. Gen Shepard is a blind patriot. Doing what HE feels is right and justified to defend the US, even if by illegal or immoral means (as shown by his actions in both MW2 games). As I mentioned according to his bio, Com Graves is a proud former MARSOC Raider, who formed Shadow Company. IMO, he formed the company to get paid doing what loves to do...fighting in the name of the US. While being a mercenary, u can avoid a lot of the "red tape" that comes with waging war for such (just ask Black Water). With that said, (again imo) it seems to me that he's a proud vet, who left the red tape behind, formed his security company, and found himself working with/for someone who had the same ideology as him. He then simply just followed orders in the sake of what he felt was the right thing for the nation. Those missiles were being shipped to fight against our biggest threat in the Middle East, Iran. In MW3 they are shown to be given to Farah who has become a budding ally in said region. There is no mention he contracted outside of the US, against the US, or for anyone else beside Sheppard. So to me, he comes off as a "blind" patriot who now gets paid to do what he loves, all while his vison is blurred. There are plenty of accounts of such things occurring throughout history and there is no reason to believe his loyalties go beyond the US just because he is a merc.

[@Deathmare235]

@@TheHuntsman570graves didn’t even fight for the us, they were fighting with Russia in mw19 Edit: a lot of shadow company members left the us army on bad terms and don’t consider themselves apart of it, including graves himself

[@TheHuntsman570]

@@Deathmare235 and how doesn't he see himself part of it if he is a "proud," former MARSOC Raider? This is written in his game bio.

[@TheHuntsman570]

@@Deathmare235 and were they fighting for Russia in MW19? I remember them fighting against Al-Q ( terror group of MW19) but nothing implies they were fighting for Russia. Especially considering they are working for Shepard on behalf of the US in MW2, and handing missiles to Farah. Again, jaded view of "on behalf." edit: i believe that they were added to the "Russian" side of mp in MW19 just to balance out the operators.

[@KarmaNeverTouches]

I've argued this several times, especially giving them the chance to walk away and not taking the kill shot. The *only* issue is Graves, over the radio, does order to kill Soap when he's pinned. I'm generally on the side of Graves is ultimately a *good* guy (as good as you can be as a merc).

[@Glacio23]

I don't consider him a villain, at the end of the day he's only there to collect a paycheck as he is a gun for hire afterall. But with the gate incident, he disobeyed orders to give TF141 and Alejandro a chance to walk away, he has morales himself as he highly respected TF141.

[@Deathmare235]

Didn’t he disobey orders by shooting them and detaining a bunch of Mexicans, they were ordered to met them leave

[@deandanielson8950]

he’s serial killer who takes credit cards -captain Rick Flag

[@romkuglen]

Graves is an Awsome character.. i hope to See more of him

[@king_jay2608]

I feel like he's just following orders but when it comes to his ass being covered then it's screw everybody else 💯💯

[@Deathmare235]

He allowed himself to take the blame just to save shepherd’s ass the first time

[@IndiaEight5]

There was another video here on YT explaining why Graves's actions were justified and had good reasons not to trust Alejandro. Also, Ghost and Soap drew first blood. Ghost literally had no problem killing a Shadow Operator, whom he considered an ally just minutes ago. It makes me think that the SAS Guys are literal psychopaths and Graves may be one of the most level-headed and sanest persons in the series. I used to like Ghost and Captain Price, but after watching this video and the other video I mentioned, Graves is my favorite character. I also think that Graves is loosely based off Erik Prince, one of the founding members of Black Water. Both headed a PMC and had special operations background (Prince was a Navy SEAL and Graves was apparently a Marine Raider, according to cod wiki).

[@isaiahmercado_]

One thing you missed was while Shadow Company was attacked transporting the ballistic missiles is that Graves was pleading with Shepard to send in a QRF because his team was outgunned & getting killed. I do think Graves' intentions are good.

[@ChristopherSoltis5]

As Ghost said "Fill Graves" no sir, I don't like him.

[@Deathmare235]

“Lying Lt”

[@dillonc7955]

I feel Graves is another moral grey like Captain Price was in the first MW reboot. He can be mistaken for a moral evil since Makarov is also evil but his plans always get thwarted unlike Graves and Shepherd's.

[@Deathmare235]

Graves and shepherd’s plans always get thwarted as well

[@SilentKGaming]

Yeah, I think he’s technically telling the truth about his orders against TF 141. I would guess that Shepard wanted them eliminated outright. 141, Los Vaqueros, and everyone in between. Graves gave them all a chance to walk away unharmed. He thanked them for their service, told them to simply leave the gate, and even said “Let’s not do this” when Ghost became confrontational. And as you said, he didn’t kill Los Vaqueros, he detained them. In that sense, yes he did not act on Shepard’s orders.

[@Khushwindxr]

I want Graves to have a turn around like Yuri , i really really want him to return and save TF-141 from Konni . I really hope MW4 story redeems him.

[@silashurd3597]

I don’t think he’s evil, necessarily. He is after all, a mercenary. Sure he’s done some very questionable things but who’s to not say that he could get a redemption. Another good example: Arthur Morgan. He was what many people would traditionally call “evil”, yet managed to redeem himself as well.

[@Deathmare235]

Arthur Morgan is completely different, he’s a bank robber who wanted to redeem himself, graves is just a mercenary and him turning evil was due to bad, contrived writing, the exact opposite of Arthur

[@dimox115x9]

Graves will be the final option to defeat Makarov when some TF 141 members and Lawsell will die and also when there will be no other option than that. He will help the rest of the team in the last mission of the next MW like Yuri in OG MW3. He will sacrifice i think for the greater good.

[@Deathmare235]

Why is he a final option he’s already helping them

[@ThePawsketeer]

@@Deathmare235yeah, helping, not the ones trying to defeat Markarov

[@Rares_G4H]

An example for evil is Roman Barkov. In Farah's childhood flashback, Barkov used chemical attacks on Urzikstan civilians killing everyone around including, men women and children. Graves on the other hand is bad not necessary evil. You can hear early in the mission ALONE that Shadow Company spared a child to witness what was coming next.

[@oggregster]

Graves is not someone you will like or trust but he definitely someone you need in this type of business and respect what he brings in to the table great character

[@_nick__jr]

Why do i have the feeling He's the son of Adler from cold war...🕶🤔

[@khoward9512]

I also thought they were related when he was first revealed

[@Heheyeahbwoi]

Graves bundles need to be added

[@TheSoapontheWii360]

He was in the MW2 Season 5 Battle Pass

[@Heheyeahbwoi]

@@TheSoapontheWii360 I know but why isn’t he available in a bundle but I can play as Rick Grimes 😒

[@TheSoapontheWii360]

@@Heheyeahbwoi $$$ 💵

[@Heheyeahbwoi]

@@TheSoapontheWii360 I bet any money if they released a Graves bundle without the NVG it would be best selling bundle in the store

[@ShadowNinja05]

To quote the clone troopers from Star Wars, "Good Soldiers Follow Orders." Graves was hired to do a job and he followed through with his orders. He was a Merc so he was just chasing that paycheck from Shepherd.

[@yourcomrade888]

Everyone forgot about the rampage Shadow Company went on through the town right after Soap and Ghost escape ;-;

[@Shadow-1810]

When he said “No, absolutely not sir.” in court he was right, Alejandro decided to take action, and only his Contractors open fire, Graves was only watching the fight while pointing his M4. So no he wasn’t evil. He gave us a chance to leave and Alejandro was like “Nuh uh.”

[@MarioHernandez-fd1rx]

It was a mexican base in a mexican country belonging to mexican special forces.

[@imCaptNate]

“Is Philip gaves evil” thumbnail

[@weixuagaming]

gaves 😂

[@mniakan754]

He’s not evil, he’s in it for the money

[@daansw3r935]

Graves is simply a Mercenary (and therefore guided mostly by the money he's paid for the job he's hired to do) so he's guided solely by the situational ethics of each mission. As a soldier (or those that have to be involved in, or experience horrendous and horrific events as part of job/duties) you have to learn to compartmentalize or lose your sanity. For Mercenaries that compartmentalization takes on entirely new levels. So Graves is neither good, nor evil. He's mainly a tool (mechanism) utilized by the one paying his way.

[@alysiajarman9158]

I was looking for this comment and completely agree. He is a tool for the plot and character within the story. It feels sidetracked it to wonder if he’s good or evil. he’s just useful.

[@VictorReznov-u7d]

He's just doing his job like everyone else

[@ScotsBrah935]

We stan graves in this household

[@braydenmanseau6355]

I have to agree with a lot of people here in the comment section. Graves isn't good or bad he is morally grey, he is basically an anti hero. He does things for the greater good just in more questionable ways. Also don't forget get the dudes a mercenary.

[@ZetsuboNoShima]

Technically the first time we see graves is in the first mission of mw2 when you cruise missile that Iranian dude

[@triancirc]

We were first introduced to him killing General Gobrani in the 1st mission with the guided missile.

[@whipsandvids]

Graves is a mercenary/operator and CEO of shadow company. He does what he's paid to do but when his reputation for himself or shadow company are at stake, he'll do whatever it takes to protect it🤷‍♂️ Anti-hero will be the right thing to call him

[@charlitemtationofficialMCMXVI]

And let’s be real graves didn’t wanna kill task force 141 he gave them a choice as many as possible if were being honest there he didn’t lie in the court room idk why people confused #wewantgraves

[@jz.beck3497]

We do know what Graves did prior to SC. He was in the Marine Corps and when he got out he formed SC. Great video though!

[@alphabravo424]

Honestly he is not evil, Graves just wants to follow orders to be able to keep his reputation of being a good military contractor. But he noticed that TF 141 knew they stuff and kept them alive

[@charlitemtationofficialMCMXVI]

He deserves to be in the store

[@alexnel5152]

hope all is doing well in your life Ink

[@kibblezzz]

Lmk bro I’m down for whatever

[@nimataeb9067]

Philip Graves is a businessman, who cares about his assets. That's all there is. His shadows are his assets, he'll get upset if he loses his assets but he's not going to lose sleep because of it. And when it comes to priorities, his top priority is himself. He's not a bad guy or good guy, he's just a dude hustling.

[@Deathmare235]

He cares a little about his men

[@nimataeb9067]

@@Deathmare235 only if they make him money, that's what it looks like at least

[@Deathmare235]

@@nimataeb9067 he cares about their well-being over money

[@Agent-Gray]

9:46 Thats true and take note, his men shot first at soup not graves only after when he grab the gun

[@neofulcrum5013]

He’s loyal to a fault. Too loyal if you ask me.

[@Emmy.R1444]

He is antihero...he is good but he can be bit cruel

[@justinnguyen3918]

Graves may be a merc but he’s also a patriot, so it’s hard to really classify him as a villain entirely. He’s more of an anti-hero who does what’s necessary to get the job done

[@Glow_work]

I don’t think he’s evil, he’s like Shane from TWD, he makes logical choices but is portrayed as a villain

[@Echo-ey2wh]

His priority is his men 🫡

[@Mik6ix]

Graves isn’t evil , he was hired …

[@RajathHathwar]

Commander phillip graves is new shepherad

[@nickcozzie6614]

He’s a man doing his job. He’s a pmc more than that the head of a pmc he has money and his men on his mind. That’s all he cares about making a living and bringing his boys home safe.

[@Bussin.1]

Graves the goat can’t wait for his return

[@thegoat2874]

Graves seems like a good leader I’d work for him

[@DimitriKurkov]

He's a MERC. Ain't two ways about it. Loyal to his crew and loyal to the highest bidder. Thing is, you don't bid with just cash. Shepherd burnt his crew and no amount of cold hard cash's gonna make up the bid.

[@crimsonhunter278]

"Is Philip Gaves Evil?"

[@chancepearson5790]

He just takes orders he didn’t wanna turn on 141

[@chancepearson5790]

So he is good btw not evil

[@sjbrigante4845]

Graves was a Marsoc Marine before he formed Shadow Company

[@DamienJaw]

6:14, Outcome: Tank Go Boom.

[@Duckling202]

stormtrooper lvl aim☠️

[@adnanhaidershar]

4:47 I like the way how soap says...

[@AncientKing9197]

I'd say he's more like an on and off frenemy

[@Deathmare235]

Just a friend

[@AncientKing9197]

@Deathmare235 before he betrayed them

[@Deathmare235]

@@AncientKing9197bad writing, and after the betrayal he’s just friendly

[@AncientKing9197]

@Deathmare235 No, he's not despite them working together in the mw3. They're just partners, and partners aren't necessarily friends

[@ThePawsketeer]

@@AncientKing9197but most of their partners (apart from most the dudes who witnessed or heard about the incident at the gate) were still on pretty good terms such as Graves’ relationship with the ULF and Alex

[@lonely_boruto]

His rules of engagement allow him to do certain things war crimes is kinda a grey area for him but at the end of the day bro is just doing what he’s paid to do not an anti hero not an vigilante just doing what his contract says

[@ariaz16]

He is a leader of a PMC. Their job is to do what is required for their pay check. He did tell TF141 to leave and gave them a chance. Only issue is its coming from Shepherd, and Graves for his job has to develop the show no remorse attitude. Given that he still gave 141 a chance to walk away

[@Deathmare235]

Don’t think 141 minded that too much, it was mainly the base and soldiers being detained that was the problem

[@ariaz16]

@@Deathmare235 yes, Shepherd gave him the green light but Graves knew they wouldn’t like this. Again he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do for that pay check

[@marcushatcher5689]

His Avatar has the best lines!!

[@immortalghost443]

MW2019 and MWII Campaign was just freaking AWESOME. WTH was MWIII?

[@codm22712]

Hi dose he do bad or evil things yes but so dose tf141 not mutch of a different beetle graves and tf141

[@mrankles7465]

😭😭😭😭 ur grammar 😭😭😭

[@derkaiser16]

​@@mrankles7465 and I took my time trying to understand 😂😭

[@mrankles7465]

@@derkaiser16 same here bro 😭😭😭

[@michaelsowell8172]

Uh oh not Philip Gaves The Thumbnail 💀☠️💀

[@urs__Ahmxd]

Yk Graves Never really wanted to go through Shepherds Orders You Can literally tell That In Mw2 He Did told the TF-141 To leave and gave them even a warning And Later On In Mw3 It was Revealed That Shepherd Gave Him Orders (to graves ofc🤷) To Kill or execute TF-141 Nevertheless F shepard if you ask me tho 🤝

[@DavidRodriguez-zo1zk]

He was such a bro until he needed to turn bad because the “plot” demanded it, I wish that he was also betrayed alongside tf 141

[@shadowspidey7327]

Not so much evil just someone who will do whatever it take to save lives in his own way like he told Soap he just follows orders that come with the job

[@Eddie_Y]

Graves leading Shadow Company, killed civilians in hunt for Soap and Ghost in Las Almas, Mexico. Graves have to atone for that. Graves is evil for the most part with a dash of good.

[@khoward9512]

It may have been his men who went off the reservation killing civilians. Graves has often shown concern for collateral damage

[@Deathmare235]

@@khoward9512 no he hasn’t, even 141 don’t even care about collateral

[@agentlinrov1474]

​@@Deathmare235What about the time he let the women and children live? It was made clear since the introduction of Las Almas that there are cartel members controlling the city.

[@Eddie_Y]

@@khoward9512 Keywords you used: "his men". Those men were under Graves’ command/leadership and responsibility. He may have shown concern in other instances but Graves did not show any concern of collateral damage by letting his men kill civilians in Las Almas.

[@Eddie_Y]

@@Deathmare235 Now I gotta call 🧢 on what you said respectfully. TF 141 always cared about collateral damage.

[@MaliciousAggravator]

Grave embodies the "Soldier following orders" archetype. He does have somewhat of a moral compass with his care and compassion for his men and his somewhat willingness to work with TF141 and smoothening out his soured relations with it's members. Honestly one of my fave characters introduced in the rebooted continuity alongside Valeria.

[@modi5271]

Graves is just a person who’s doing his job

[@undio]

I agree with you ink

[@undio]

Graves a good guy in his heart

[@ChrisTownsend98]

I still don't get how Nolan and Konni knew about the missiles unless Shepard told Konni group about them, or Nolan infiltrated Shadow Company long before. (The latter, I think, is more likely)

[@jwaximus1113]

Keep it up Ink, you’ve been carry Cods story for quite a bit now. Without you I honestly would not care about anything in the story since like BO3 which was the beginning of disappointing stories

[@DELTA-FORCE-18]

Graves was a marine but he wanted to command his own team so he went to congress and they approved him to command shadow company I seen a video on it

[@TaggartCotten]

he was in my head, nowhere near evil until the mission where we try to kill him in the second to last mission, but that was words, not action

[@RaymondLopez-g5v]

All dude has to say was that they were ambushed by Konni mercs….

[@oldskoolj23]

This MW3 needs to be remade with a better & longer campaign

[@dylanjohns8409]

Well at this stage he’s probably the same as Cpt. Price. He’s done bad things but his intentions are to do good. Price intends to do good and help and yet he killed Shepherd.

[@Mik6ix]

W vid fasho !!

[@Soliderboy-04]

Graves goes where the money is🗣️

[@2fast4u969]

Anti hero like Deadpool and many more.

[@thomaservin7373]

Hes a gun for hire all he wants is money and self-preservation

[@SundrySun90]

Haha the thumbnail “Gaves” 😂

[@recon1986]

Dudes not evil hes a military contractor (mercenary) that doesnt make him evil it makes him loyal to the highest bidder...

[@chancepearson5790]

4:15 they are def not a militia they are special forces 😂

[@soufyan8793]

Graves is the new sepherd from the OG cod

[@sarawilson1027]

I think he was just doing what he was told to do and not evil

[@gun_hound]

He's not evil or good. Just a man with a mission. Sometimes ally, sometimes foe.

[@KumarAmartya141]

I love Graves

[@slidersides]

Nah he’s just number 42 from that one Mr. beast video

[@undyingwolf]

He’s a contractor plain and simple

[@Deathmare235]

So he’s a good guy or a bad guy?

[@undyingwolf]

@@Deathmare235 neither

[@Deathmare235]

@@undyingwolf but he’s a contractor, my guess is he’s a good guy

[@ThePawsketeer]

@@Deathmare235”but he’s a contractor” is kind of a stupid point to make to argue he’s a good guy.

[@Deathmare235]

@@ThePawsketeer it’s a mw guy contractors are usually good guys

[@BlackShadow_270-pi8xo]

I think he is neutral and does what benefits him

[@Coobmoobroobn]

He’s shepherds lackey, I hope gets a redemption arch.

[@Kinkzy]

please make a video/videos on infinite warfare, the campaign is so good

[@AntoineVello]

He is classic d&d neutral evil. A mercenary who is it in for themselves and loyal to the highest bidder

[@Deathmare235]

He’s never loyal to the bad guys though

[@AntoineVello]

@Deathmare235 When he isn't loyal to the bad guys, the bad guys aren't the highest bidder or are diametrically opposed to him.

[@ThePawsketeer]

@@Deathmare235you could argue Shepherd is a bad guy. Sure he had good intentions to Urzikstans but then again, he ordered the blue on blue incident, basically ordered the death of 141, and also lied to congress (denying the order he gave at the gate) which is in a way lying in a court of law.

[@Deathmare235]

@@AntoineVello not his fault the bad guys don’t have money

[@Deathmare235]

@@ThePawsketeer who tf cares about congress also he technically never ordered the blue on blue incident just told 141 to leave, I wouldn’t be surprised if the entire time he was thinking that with his conversation with price, thinking price going after him and graves were just threats and not that graves tried to kill them