"Is DBD dying?" | Dead by Daylight

[@Zoulz666]

I think probably the biggest reason DbD is ahead of the competition is because it isn't tied to a singular IP. Literally any horror franchise can make an appearence in the game. In TCM for example, you can only ever expect characters & maps etc inspired by that IP.

[@TheDapperDragon]

This. DbD is mid at best, it's no where near peak. Even The Breakers was better. But since anything can pop up, it can fortnite itself to life forever.

[@dravenlee5524]

I’ve been saying this forever and people still try arguing with me that Texas Chainsaw is going to overthrow DBD. I tell these people “Texas chainsaw will die the same was Friday the 13th and Evil Dead did, because they can’t really branch out to other horror characters. They’re limiting themselves to a single horror franchise which only will bring in a small audience, while DBD can bring in well over a dozen different horror franchise fans and now, even actors fans.”

[@SoraGremory0121]

@@dravenlee5524 even then, I love DBD style games, Loved friday 13th but when I played TCM it was honestly so garbage, that game will definitely be dying out soon

[@gratifizzle]

All these games are for casuals who are trash at real competitive games.

[@soundrogue4472]

As someone who doesn't play DbD but watches the gameplay for fun; from a viewers perspective it feels engaging to watch and be on the edge of my seat. The other games... not so much. I might play the game myself one day, who knows but the game is really fun to watch. It's cool to see all the unique/ different builds with the perk system and the single alone threat coming in towards the survivors is fun to watch from the killer side or survivor side. For TCM; it's not fun watching the killer or survivor. It's too boring with one side having all the power to survive easily with little to no actual teamwork.

[@burglarcat5406]

Its kind of funny that a recurring problem in every game of this genre seems to be that the poor helpless victims have too many ways to clown on and bully the murderers who are supposedly terrorizing them

[@RemOmni]

This is true, fight back mechanics ruin the illusion of playing as a killer who's not supposed to be stopped but rather delayed.

[@Alex-uq1el]

Easily the worst problem this game has, imo. It sucks on both sides. As a killer, it is the most frustrating and agonizing thing you can have to deal with, and as a survivor, it sucks having your whole team screw around and get in trouble like idiots when you just wanna play the game normally. Huge immersion killer.

[@tomramecin6995]

​@@RemOmniThey always get stopped in the movies though. I'd say the killer getting absolutely everyone is not the rule in those horror movies DbD refers to. So to me it's perfectly representative of what I like in those movies. The monster always get it in the end and it's often pretty stupid the way they do. The way to get rid of Freddy is actually simply not to be afraid of him so, survivors trolling is exactly that to me :)

[@RemOmni]

@@tomramecin6995 Sure but then that would be a completely different objective, if the objective was to stop the killer before he kills everyone that's completely different then having to complete generators to escape, the problem with DbD is the goals don't align.

[@raiden3295]

That's why I think flashlights should vanish from DBD

[@mr.reggit4060]

TCM has a chance to stay around but the devs need to pump out content like characters and maps. And they need to figure out how to slow games down or extend them.

[@Dionysus-207]

TCM will be dead in 2-3 months from now 100%

[@Prazca]

tbh ive already stopped playing tcm personally Its just got too methodical as someone who typically plays video games alone, the aspect of team coordination is almost completely lost on me and even the times I have played with other people its not super captivating (wanna prefix I only play family)

[@SlimPug]

I feel your pain, solo player here who ocassionally plays with my girlfriend but even when we play family together there are allot of times where our 3rd just quits or sabo's the game. I still check in here and there but I am playing casually while they pack on more content. I played sea of thieves past the point of caring anymore before they added fun content so trying to not make that mistake here. @@Prazca

[@Prazca]

@SlimPug they label it a "Party Game" but it honestly feels more stressful to play then dbds "Competitive" gameplay, its not like aa you play the game more you'll learn to avoid vicitim stabs or use the family powers better since the fundamentals are simple on purpose. with a small amount of exaggeration, all of dbds gameplay is skill based so unless youre dealing with a bug you (usually) feel like what happened wasnt out of your control since its based on skill in so many factors while in tcm you just have to deal with the fact pressure valve will turn on because lleland has 2 bone shards and a tackle and your team arent doing shit to help you

[@TheeGreenguy]

@@Prazcaskill issue

[@themr_wilson]

The only thing that will kill Dead by Daylight is Behaviour. I mean that in a positive note

[@lutherheggs451]

Well its because no other game really wants that god awful sweaty try hard community.. DBD literally has the worst community of any game, filled with alot of the stupider, sweaty, tryhards who would wear sweatbands to play a game of Clue. Its so pointless to pay attention to the sweaty tryhards when balancing something. The DBD tryhards have absolutely ruined almost everything about the game, they want anything interesting nerfed into the ground, because tactics or losing bad. They don't want anything to happen that might ruin their 398th win for the day.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

At the most, DBD would probably hit a plateau for the most part

[@yoshihuo6911]

On the topic of Home Sweet Home Survive: They actually shut it down and rebranded, opening a new version of the game that’s free to play called Home Sweet Home Online which is why you couldn’t find matches Survive is a dead/unplayable server It’s still the same gameplay but it gets continuous content updates like new characters/cosmetics and it still has a large player base in Asia

[@Kingkaiju05]

When I first saw it I thought it was a Korean knock off of dbd because some Korean femboy was playing on TikTok live

[@r1tesh]

@@Kingkaiju05korean femboy? 😭

[@lesbwian7023]

Scrolled the comment section to see if someone else had already pointed this out!

[@cinnibarbrenneka]

@@Kingkaiju05 username checks out I suppose

[@kidkobra7376]

The history of DBD as an asymmetrical horror game is insane, how many games have come and gone for a variety of reasons is truly unbelievable

[@tomhall4986]

Dbd hasn't killed any of them off too they all done it to themselves

[@leerylynx]

Even though I've only played VHS for a couple of months, it was still sad hearing what happened to it. I really liked its style and the whole concept of movie monsters coming to life. And, as you said, the music was dope. Pity the game didn't last.

[@_.L4RA._1]

It didn’t last bc I’m pretty sure it got hacked and it was a small community since it was pc only

[@luxxers]

@@_.L4RA._1This is false it was 100% the devs. They never advertised the game, they spent more time making cosmetics than actual content, they would ignore and silence anyone who was negative, and didn’t have a long term plan

[@leerylynx]

@@luxxers The fact that they decided not to advertise their game is mind boggling to me

[@ghostflame9211]

how did people hear about it then? was it really just word of mouth lol idk i suppose the game just felt bigger than it really was at the time@@leerylynx

[@jun1orbaitor44]

@@ghostflame9211 Ive only ever heard of it from YT videos from people playing it, then i never played it because IM NOT A PC GAMER, just a casual Xbox series X player

[@mazm8536]

Short answer for all those with a short attention span. NO

[@Spanishy]

After watching for 2 minutes I can conclude that Fortnite is dying

[@mooode841]

It's actually not 😅

[@Swag_Of_Sparta]

​@majedjur01 it should 😂

[@thekidabyss5539]

@@Swag_Of_Sparta i rather play that than trash dead by daylight

[@ZikedY]

@@mooode841it isn't dead, but compared to 5 or 6 years back it is dying

[@YeeBaa]

I play dead by daylight now but never been bored of a game like dbd I need some fortnite now and bro fortnite gave most money tourneys they are not dying lol

[@Webhead123]

And for F13, sure, it was possible for scenarios where coordinated survivors could try to bully a Jason, particularly one who wasn't super experienced. But if the Jason player knows what they're doing, it was honestly far less of a problem than most killer-bullying in DbD. That's because the "bully" items in F13 were very limited and most of them had counter-play. Even the dreaded pocket knife was counter-able and a good Jason player was usually able to suss out when a player had one. In 700 hours, I was only ever "unmasked" about a half dozen times and the counsellors never once actually managed to kill me. Yeah, F13 had plenty of bugs and wasn't the most polished or balanced game but it was a whole lot of fun, especially with friends and I miss it dearly.

[@mitchellmahurin3465]

For real. Just morph away and try to take them out one at a time. Don't grab them if they got pocket knives and equip +damage Jason's and you're set.

[@Bluehood77]

Exactly this guy was a terrible jason if you actually block attacks aswell as phase grab Jason can be extremely powerful.

[@cherrycola1144]

It’s a pity F13 went the way it did. I felt like it was a far more enjoyable and fun game than DBD ever was or has been.

[@DoctorTheo]

This may sound a bit weird, but whenever I feel burnt out from DBD, I go to SCP Secret Laboratory. It's another asymmetrical horror game, but not really in the usual sense. There's 3 teams, SCPs, MTF, and Chaos Insurgency. The way you win is very complicated, but nobody pays attention to that since it's more of a result screen to show you what happened in the game and less of an objective to persue. This leads players to lean on goofing off, and role playing. It feels like a polished GMod gamemode. I know it's not the typical DBD style of game, but it's a nice change of pace for me. The biggest hurdle is trying to find a good server to play on

[@cottoneyejoesfm]

It actually is a polished gmod gamemode, originally inspired by the breach gamemode, which obviously was based on containment breach.

[@beggarsbazooka4717]

Redmann and Blutarch is such a good comparison. It really did feel like that when they fight each other over the franchise.

[@numberjuan4947]

I think a decent change for Connie’s ability could be, rather than immediately unlocking a door, while her ability is active the tool break bar doesn’t fill, it would still be useful and save time without it being able to be used midchase and at an ungodly speed

[@grizzofeu653]

DBD can't die as long as it's number 1 of Asym horror. The only ways of its' death are BHVR and A new competitor rising above it but, that's not likely due to people going back to what's safe and familiar such as DBD, not to mention all of the licenses.

[@FridaysJanKenPon]

I've said this since before Nemesis release the only thing that will kill DBD is BHVR but the fact they can get multiple IP's will keep it alive even though player count won't ever surpass the first Resident Evil chapter era. Long story short: People like shitty games/things as long as it has addicting qualities.

[@knightsofsumeria]

Screw Illfonic. Never forgive them for the trash they released in predator hunting grounds

[@BDeity]

Most asyms should change their names to: "Dead by Dead by Daylight"

[@mitchellmahurin3465]

DBD has a simple yet addictive game loop. It's also oddly applicable to different IPs which helps keep it varied in a more meaningful way.

[@MellowHypez]

I miss VHS. That game was fun as hell. It would be pretty awesome if someone decided to buy the IP/game and give it another go. Also, the community was really chill from my experience. Unlike DbD where 90%+ of the players are giga sweat lords.

[@Hypno_Daddy]

sadly I dont know how likely that is, since Hellbent basically disbanded or to my knowledge laid off everyone except 4 people and I dont know who exactly owns the IP now.

[@AverageAmish1]

They'll balance the game when they're done releasing content > Who is the next license killer? > Pay more money > Broken game > Toxic community > repeat

[@otisvale9445]

Honestly man props to you for making a hour long video very entertaining and informative! I love longer content and have never seen it for dbd except for otz 10 hour long tier list on grass patches

[@bL4ckSalamander]

I've quit the game before the ring chapter came out and honestly never even thought of looking back, I got fed up with the devs priorities, recognized I was not the target audience and chose to devote my free time to playing games that make me feel good instead of feeding a cycle of frustration that is DBD

[@bloo_jahy]

Fun Fact: Another balance issue that was in Friday the 13th was that Jason could only pinpoint the location of scared campers, therefore if a camper wanted to hold the game hostage they could run off into the woods at the start of the match, going where there is nothing scary to see, and crouch down in a bush to hold the match hostage potentially forever.

[@Bluehood77]

The longer you sat in darkness the more scared your character would get. And the matches had a 20 min limit. Aswell as most Jason's being able to see where people are when he enters rage towards the end of the match.

[@bloo_jahy]

@@Bluehood77 Thanks for the reply! I've never played the game but I have a friend who has played since launch and I was relaying information from him.

[@brock6856]

​@@bloo_jahyfake news....

[@BasementDweller_]

Never understood this as DBD is too big to die unless Behavior pulls the plug on the game itself, it’s not going to die for a long time.

[@families9654]

Yeah which is surprising cuz all you do is sit and hold M1 on a generator every match

[@sylvain_3]

DBD has things to learn about all these other games, for example there are times in DBD when you know it's imposible that you could escape, however I love in TCSM that no matter how the game is going you at least always have a chance to win or escape...

[@bunnythehutt2148]

The biggest recurring problem asyms face is the devs themselves. If games like VHS had devs who actually tried they would still be alive today, but every time the devs start fucking around and don't take the opportunity they have.

[@raisnhed]

I think there’s been a couple of times DbD was at least sort of close to dying. The most recent was obviously before Alien got announced. Knight, Skull Merchant, and the Singularity were all varying degrees of disappointing and Nick Cage was just another survivor. Hype and interest in the game was very low and I truly do think that DbD would’ve been on it’s last leg if we didn’t get Alien or something just as beloved and popular. BHVR is clutch af and every time the game’s truly suffering they end up fixing the issue and then some.

[@clockwerk152]

I believe the worst thing in friday is when u are alone, you a team of players and one of them are jason. He would kill everyone BUT his friends. And then make everyone in the lobby hostage by "playing" with his friends

[@theplayeralsoknownasmousecop]

This video is well produced. And your analogy has a lot I can agree with. Like and subbed

[@soundrogue4472]

So in other words; those who came first to a genre have the biggest and best advantage at building an audience/ getting people to play it. I mean... yeah that's always been the case.

[@FridaysJanKenPon]

You are one of the few in the world who gets it. We know it's not because Dbd is an depth game lol.

[@soundrogue4472]

@@FridaysJanKenPonA lot of competitive online games are very complex and lack actual depth. Gameplay with depth is harder to make competitive because people tend to gravitate towards complex games for some reason. (Most of the time)

[@FridaysJanKenPon]

@@soundrogue4472 Depends on what you qualify as comp. I believe the more solid in common sense and more compact mechanics wise a game is the more competitive it can be. Super complex games will always be more chaotic fun such as the first Modern Warfare 2 game, or Marvel vs Capcom 2 but I would never consider it serious comp. Games that try to make "Everything" viable that continuously updates like Dota, and etc will always have an edge. Regardless of what shines in the meta they stay on it unlike other game genres/franchises. To each their own though on an olive branch note. Just could never see inconsistent metas be considered competitive it's why I chuckle a lot whenever I see a Dbd tournament being played

[@soundrogue4472]

@@FridaysJanKenPon depth doesn't mean everything is viable.

[@Webhead123]

God, I miss F13 and VHS. I think the issue of people's discontentment with DbD largely stems from the fact that it hasn't changed dramatically since inception. So, after 7 years of playing basically the same game over and over again, many people have become restless with it and just want something new. I'm one of those people and I really don't play DbD anymore because there's just no joy left in it.

[@Webhead123]

@larsliamvilhelm Sure, the details (perk metas, map balancing, killer powers) may have changed pretty drastically but the core game play loop is still the same. Gens, loops, hooks, pallets, items. Sometimes that's good enough to keep the game interesting for a while and sometimes it's not.

[@FridaysJanKenPon]

​@larsliamvilhelmIt's not a different game. Nothing has changed.

[@Interitus1]

TCM isn't doing well. A major issue with Friday the 13th and TCM is they lock you into a single franchise. This is what kills them. You can add new maps, even new characters. But you will be stuckin that world. I think VHS actually had a better idea, but they utterly flopped handling it in every way posible. If it was made by a better dev maybe we would have seen something.

[@Doncroft1]

Every video you've made so far has been phenomenal. Can't wait to see more, Skrump.

[@mooode841]

Long story short, if there's no alternative DBD won't be dying any time soon. Even TCM can't cope with DBD content, killers, survivors and maps. TCM has 3 killers and one map, that's it. If there was an alternative to DBD it was Friday the 13th. I enjoyed that game more than DBD, but I think we all know that went down.

[@deathknight1239]

That's why im excited for the killer klowns from outer space game

[@fuzzmanx]

Game development seems to be extremely difficult. The game released and looks great, but THERES NOTHING COMING OUT LATELY ?? How is that the case when there's so much love in its design and functions? It must be rough...

[@coltonwilkie241]

And TCM devs are also asking for $10 per character. Baffling to ask for money for new content when the base game has literally no content.

[@mooode841]

@@fuzzmanx Yeah , the lawsuit didn't help Friday the 13th either.

[@mooode841]

@@coltonwilkie241 Exactly 💯

[@jgravemans6076]

Coming up here to stand up for my homie Evolve, who tragically caught strays in this video

[@TheDapperDragon]

Yep yep. Ahead of its time. But no good games survived those days

[@spinozilla2421]

@@TheDapperDragonstill kicking tho, there discord server and last year turtle rock brought back Evolve 2 back online so people could play on that version again

[@zach4992]

tbh as someone who play alot of f13th jason was alot stronger than you give him credit for you can avoid pocket knifes by just attacking instead of grabbing plus throwing knifes and you picked the worst jason its like putting a baby nurse against decent players jason is pretty strong and kinda unstoppable once you learn him

[@deathknight1239]

This video is exactly why im so excited for the killer klowns from outer space game, it looks like its the spiritual successor to Friday the 13th but with the ability to play killer with friends and after watching the trailers im fully confident that they will avoid the pitfalls these other games have fallen prey to and i believe it will be able to go toe to toe with dbd as long as they stay consistent with good updates and take the communities feedback to heart when the game is fully released. Also why didn't you talk about the evil dead game? Its the only game since Friday the 13th to have any sort of lasting impact at least until texas chainsaw massacre got released anyways.

[@ThePilleroflightning]

Don’t forget the game with the bunny rabbit toys. That looks pretty good too.

[@SmolDuragTV]

Dbd will always surpass any game in its category due to the fact it’s not limited to any single IP. Any horror franchise could end up in dbd. You guys should just appreciate new games for what they are instead of hoping it will top dbd.

[@SmolDuragTV]

@@glowiedetector You’re incorrect if you think DBD is IP dependent. They have a whole roster of their own IP. The point is they have almost every major horror franchise IP as well. No game is going to compete with that. People just need to accept new horror games for what they are. A new game that you can enjoy individually away from DBD. DBD will never have competition. Look at TCM, already dead.

[@SmolDuragTV]

@@glowiedetector It’s actually not ridiculous at all. You’re comparing first person shooters and battle royal games to an asymmetrical horror game which is way more complex. Shit comparisons. Your point is understood. But dbd has and will never have competition my guy. They’re too far ahead of the game. You’re delusional. We have over 300+ perks, 30 killers, and almost 50 different map variations. If you think any brand new game has a chance of coming in and stopping or even competing with that then you’re just lost. I think you seriously underestimate how much of a power house dead by daylight is. But hey think what you want. I don’t gotta convince you of shit. The proof is in the pudding. Every game in the horror category has failed miserably. Asymmetrical games are way more tricky to balance and develop than ALL those games you just named. Also you look childish when you quote what I said the way you did. It’s not 2018 anymore guy. You can debate or speak opinions without sarcasm or childish behavior.

[@SmolDuragTV]

@@glowiedetector LMAO. “Keep throwing insults” if calling you delusional is an insult you’re clearly over emotional and way too sensitive. Get a grip. Have a good one guy 👍🏽

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

As long as DBD has a bunch of well-known lisences, it won't die. It's just that simple - and BHVR knows it - since no one cares about their original chapters anymore.

[@j3b1s3]

That is true but sooner or later they are going to run out of chapters that are licensed

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

@@j3b1s3, yeah.

[@Ayuoki]

Hey!! Home sweet home survive turned into Home sweet home online and the HSHS steam chart screenshot you showed is just a legacy build that the developers allowed players to play. HSHO is still being updated and tournaments are still being hosted! ♥️

[@HelicopterDown]

If you have to ask if a game is dying it probably isn't. Dead by Daylight absolutely has several more years in its cycle for sure, the community is thriving as much as ever, and the gameplay is as balanced as it has ever been. I have no idea what a sequel could ever look like, but I definitely see them making it someday.

[@jada4203]

No it's not balanced lol.

[@jada4203]

@larsliamvilhelm I started in 2018, with 6k hours and it's still unbalanced no matter what.

[@jada4203]

@larsliamvilhelm Their biggest mistake was balancing the game around perks, if they had focused on balancing the core game, perks wouldn't be a necessary advantage to win and then you have the RNG factors of the game, at that rate it's mostly luck. You also have to remember not everybody has the luxury of buying every single dlc, and the shrine at the best of times doesn't have good perks that are useful. SWF argument isn't valid because that's a straight disadvantage and is not intended by any means, but it's also not a ban offence. The game may be a better state than before but it's still nowhere near balanced to be considered competitive by any means.

[@Worms2pl]

as a person with 3k hours put since 2017, couldnt go on without a few breaks couple months each. I usually was coming back to licensed content cuz of a game being a horror icon smash bros. I switched to survivor over the years tho recently cuz found it less stressfull

[@VinDicator-70]

9/10 TCM matches are incredibly imbalanced. If I’m playing survivor, I will get 3 teammates that are between level 00 and 2, and we’ll get matched with 3 level 10 family members. Result: complete slaughter. If I play family, the other 2 are level 00 and 1, and all 4 survivors are level 8-10. Result: 2-4 people escape in under 5 minutes. Plus, if 3 survivors escape, there’s a 99.9% chance that the last one will DC. Games are over too quickly, and take forever to queue into. I gave the game 2 weeks, got bored and left.

[@bababab6906]

When the main thing that stopped you from playing is something being fixed in a single patch. Actual baby mentality lmao

[@VinDicator-70]

@@bababab6906Some people have limited time to spend playing video games, and as such, place a high value on that time. As a result, they expect a certain degree of enjoyment and satisfaction from the time that they spend playing, and have neither the time nor inclination to dedicate dozens of hours grinding. You sound like you’re one of those losers who takes no thought in whittling away large swaths of your time, because you place such a low premium on it, and you actually believe that success in a video game equates to actual achievement. Adolescent mindset.

[@misanthropicworld6958]

Nah dbd is doing fine Tcm is dying the q times to get into a match is so long and even you are q up there’s always one person who doesn’t want to play leatherface and leaves then I have to wait another 5 minutes so my conclusion is TCM is dying

[@Tonyseil]

I've only recently gotten into DBD because my friends had introduced me to it- and honestly I'm having such a great time playing it; its been my go-to for weeks alongside them, despite the fact they've been playing it for years

[@sabsinoname]

Same here, but it was my son introducing me to the game 😂 i play it a year and a half now and most time i love it. But you can play it to often and get pissed then you take a break... its that simple.

[@Tonyseil]

@@sabsinoname awww thats so wholesome!!

[@ThatOneBlackSuperHero]

im suprised you didn't mention Evil dead 'the game' had friends that said that was going to kill Dead By Daylight

[@deathknight1239]

It definitely could have but the devs didn't care about the game and immediately announced that they are going to stop updating the game once their next game that they actually care about is released

[@12ww37]

Saber fumbled so bad to work on other projects and also sealed the games fate by locking it to the epic store for most it's lifespan too

[@coltonwilkie241]

There's people that also said Texas Chainsaw Massacre would kill DBD. There's people who thought Friday the 13th would do it. There's people that thought Predator Hunting Ground would do it. There's probably even 5 people that think Killer Klowns from Outer Space will do it. If someone ever says that "insert game will kill DBD" just immediately assume that game will be dead about a year after release and you'll be right 100% of the time.

[@ReekyCheeks]

The biggest problem, from a survivor perspective, is that so much time is spent doing gens. Unfortunately, there aren't more interesting ways to get out or other things to do. It just feels a bit incomplete or too little. It has only marginally changed in almost a decade now. For ex. TCM crew did many of these things better and Behavior should learn from them. Not saying TCM is perfect by any means but it did a good job shaking up the genre. Time will tell if it can fix matchmaking among its many other problems and keep up.

[@dearcastiel4667]

-Launch game after 1 week break -Using Distortion -Not going on a gen straight away -First to be found by killer despite being behind a loop at the edge of the map -Get downed by anti-loop power -Get unhooked -Run halfway across the map before getting healed -Heal on the edge of map behind structure -Killer coming straight from the opposite position i came from -Get tunneled (nobody was injured since i got hooked) -Killer doesn't even slug, go straight for second hook -First gen pops -DC -Leave for a week

[@wavefile1674]

People called dbd "dying" every year since 2018. In reality, the game's playerbase is still pretty ok and the game itself is way more balanced on both sides now.

[@BrianRocksNow]

This was such a good video, Skrump. Awesome job. Excited to see what's next!

[@spookieboogi6161]

Don’t forget your melee weopan breaks eventually so you can’t stun Jason infinitely

[@srirachasaws4715]

this dude "forgets" a lot of things especially when they oddly convenience the hunting/killing role of the game

[@thelastgamer1]

I don’t think it is I think it’s slowed down a bit but it’s far from dying. If dbd was actually in trouble everytime someone said “dbd is dying” it would be six feet under.

[@ohno5507]

VHS always makes me sad to think about. It had so much potential, but was horribly mismanaged. The toxic positivity from the playerbase didn't help either. Any criticisms were dismissed, and people acted like everything was fine despite it clearly not. I think if the game didn't come out with such glaring issues (which the launch was heavily delayed for, mind you, which added to the massive waiting just to play the game), and was more casual friendly, the game would at least be alive still.

[@KevinDurantBurnerAccount]

The only players who say DBD is dying are people who cry about the old DBD. DBD is in a great state.

[@its.fundip]

Those character sprites are pretty cute! Wonder who made them 🤔 Anyway, another banger

[@RexIsGod]

Identity V is the closest competition DBD has - but the Chinese devs don't care about the US market. If they ever did, I'd be very concerned about the life of DBD as Identity V has a LOT more content and skins they can actually trade/own.

[@its.fundip]

I love IDV! They'll never optimize the game for PC. The emulator runs like garbo. And also I think they work with BHVR? For the mobile DBD? I think? I could be wrong. So if they do work with BHVR, I don't think they'd ever kill DBD.

[@RexIsGod]

@@its.fundip I don't know if IDV devs work with BHVR. But if they ever decided to compete with DBD, I think DBD would get killed. IDV is a much more full game with a ton more content - and you can own/trade your skins, which I really wish DBD had.

[@j3b1s3]

​@@RexIsGodnah😂. This is the funniest shit ive seen all week aint no way a mobile dbd knockoff will beat original but keep dreaming bud😂

[@RexIsGod]

​@@j3b1s3IDV Isn't only mobile. China gets the good version. USA gets the trash, so I understand why you didn't understand.

[@soundrogue4472]

1:04:57 I would disagree; DbD is still alive because it's fun to engage with having edge of your seat gameplay and moments, not perfect but still fun synergy of builds and seeing how survivors have to work together/ use their perks effectively unlike TCM and other games.

[@Jomacomi]

2 seconds in, this game isn’t dying it’s in the late stages of decay

[@lechadeur]

I'm surprised everyone keeps talking about VHS but never about Last Year when there's videos like that

[@yomama2376]

Why do none of these videos talk about identity v? The same studio develops the dbd mobile app. Its very similar to dbd, with unique killers and survivors, licensed characters, maps, “kiting” aka looping, unique killer powers, objectives to complete, you can free other survivors, etc. and I haven’t even played the game, ive just caught this from clips on tiktok. Its very popular in asia and younger players who use mobile

[@LightWavess]

For me personally its either Killers prepared to face the most sweaty teams equipped with the best perks in existence making each and every solo q experience for me impossible to win. Or survivors playing like absolute Gods forcing me to play the same scummy way to win. It come to the point where i question if i am playing with humans or bots set to play on auto-win mod

[@Hypno_Daddy]

While not necessarily a "revival", Video Horror Society is still playable with a mod made by the community that redirects traffic to a server run by the mod creators. While cosmetics and progression from your time playing before are gone, the mod server unlocks all cosmetics and perks. The server, due to one digit number of players still playing doesnt have matchmaking but allows for peer to peer custom games to be able to be created. So for the current time being, anyone with VHS in their library is still able to play customs if they desire to do so.

[@jrperry1611]

12:52 this entire montage is the stuff I go through with this game if it was X4 specifically because of the modded lobbies player count, modded lobby’s players, and the ability to just rejoin.

[@artemis1993]

Everytime i hear someone say "DBD is dying" my mind immediately goes "Ah shit, here we go again..."

[@Vèrò-q2u]

Dbd would actually become quite a lot better with a proper matchmaking system, that includes smurf detection.

[@ryan489]

I understand all the arguments and yeah TCM falls into the same traps. The victims end up understanding the game too well and make it a chore. The biggest thing they need to do is slow the games down and balance XP gains. Looking only at the steam charts is limiting since it’s on consoles as well.

[@holycannoli157]

If i ever start not having fun in dbd, I don't play for a a couple days, or week. Works everytime

[@anomer19]

Amazing video, crazy that you only have 5.67k subs. Keep up the good work!

[@rjseven]

Prop night would have been a good dive into as well. This is good gaming history though. Loved learning about aspects on these games that i didnt know why they died

[@RippingBones]

Yes, Propnight is amazing

[@sydneyskindasquare]

I just feel incredibly burnt out from this style of this game, I think the problem lies when you take away the horror and it becomes strictly competitive, it becomes EXHAUSTING.

[@j.o.7521]

Amazing Video, really good documentary and love the editing style! Really thought you had more subscribers and its incredibly good for just your 3rd video

[@Wizardbeard91]

If an asym wants to compete with dbd they will need to start with at least 3 licenses at the start with intention to add more and a fun engaging game style but that probably wont happen

[@imsentinelprime9279]

I just wamt more asym that can have multiple killers. With a fairly big map and good horror elements. With it being well balanced for survivors and killers. With survivors having just as many ways to counter killers, just as many ways the killers have to kill survivors.

[@Wizardbeard91]

@@imsentinelprime9279 agreed I don't mind being beaten in games but when you got bad mmr like overwatch and 1 sided stomps happen often or in dbd where wether you win or lose its rarely a hard fought game from the winning side I want a game where your progress during the match doesn't feel like all for nothing maybe a game where the mechanics include survivors reviving after death over and over so you can get kills without survivors feeling like the whole match is over and an objective for survivors that forces interaction with the killer wether it be trying to trap them or being chased progresses an objective or something but dbd has become monotonous

[@leokunkler4605]

Yeh know what? I have fucking grown to love your videos (even though there are only three of them) and I just hope to have the pleasure of keep watching them in the future. Maybe you don't care, but I really like your content and I hope to still see you around in the future. Now please have my subscription my good sir

[@clockwerk152]

2:41 you mf i switch from wifi to my own Internet

[@sandwichboy1268]

No mention of Evil Dead: the Game?

[@ronaldachille7998]

It would be nice to see the Entity confronted in a plot that makes sense. It could solve the burn out that might be occuring due to DBD simply marketing horror nostalgia.

[@N3RDYG0GGLES]

Honestly respect for how you refused to keep us in suspense and gave us the answer right away, but still went into more detail anyway

[@ElleVervain]

honestly, those rumors about DBD slowly dying have been around for some time now, and I never felt the same until a few weeks ago. Not necessarily that it is 'dying', but I do feel like I'm loosing my bond tot he game :D After that many years I can agree, I feel burned out by DBD, but it doesn't feel like quitting DBD is something I can do so easily. You can't replace it, and everytime there is a new rift I'm thinking.... okay, I'm gonna play it just for the rift. Bam- sank money into it again and then I HAVE TO play basically :D

[@DreamJumper16]

Why does everyone always forget about Last Year The Nightmare? As far as balancing goes, shouldn't the killers be stronger due to it being a horror game?

[@aburrito4973]

Hopefully. The game is so boring I don’t know how people get so angry over it.

[@yuhhbaby3179]

Hope this shit gets lots of attention. I started editing my own vids a little while ago and oh my GOD just looking at this video I imagine this shit was so much effort. The vid I posted on dbd got little to no traction so I'm hoping that doesn't happen to you cuz this is good ass content dude!!

[@Ghostkillaz]

Not even known this channel for 10 minutes and im already subbing cuz 2:40, you got me 😂

[@fabricearnout9093]

Home sweet Home is a thai inspired game, not japanese :/

[@pegeta]

Everything asian is Japanese to a lot of people sadly. Personally I prefer Korean devs.

[@therewillbestars8118]

the best thing about dbd is that along with an extremely simple core mechanics every game is not like the other and you don't know what to expect. you can have 9 routine matches and the 10th will make you feel like something to remember had happened. it's variable and fun. I can compare only to evil dead the game, which had cool mechanics but pretty soon you'll notice that pretty much every game goes the same scenario and there is not much you can change.

[@moneypyrex5242]

Imo dbd just has more variety is why people can’t leave or keep coming back.

[@LivingDeathGuy]

My favorite asym game, Evolve, only died because of the worlds worst publishing team

[@daniel-tv4hx]

Honestly I wish evolve did better, had a lot of potential

[@SirGlacius1]

Great video! For me, Dbd is like an ex-girlfriend. We started dating back in 2017 when Bubba released and it was great, but not perfect. I remember old DS and DH. But we broke up when it decided to give survivors speed meta. As if the enduring meta wasn't bad enough and yes, I used to main killer. These really fast survivors gave me severe hacker flashbacks so we broke up around 3 months ago. But I still stalk the game on social media, hoping for a change and I've seen great things like the anti camping mechanic but the FoV slider and an improved UI for killers is still missing. But I would consider coming back only if the speed meta is nerfed (MFT+Hope). In the meantime, I'm enjoying No Man's Sky.

[@sumbunniii8721]

💀💀

[@Webhead123]

I've ultimately decided to largely quit the horror asymm genre, mostly because the games within it that I enjoy all die out and the one that hangs around (DbD) has almost no fun left to it for me. I haven't played TCM and I don't think I will...because I'm not convinced to invest time and money into another asymm only to see it fade away after a year and everybody start pushing DbD again. Same thing with Killer Klowns. I'm a fan of the film and I love a lot of the ideas that have been revealed about it...but in this fickle generation, and as evidenced by all the other failed attempts, I just don't trust a niche concept like that to hold a larger community's attention for long enough to be worth my time. So, I'll just go back to the many, many other games that are calling for my attention and will likely just have to leave the horror asymm in the past as a once memorable but now obsolete slice of my gaming history.

[@thenegativoneify]

Great in depth video... Instant sub... Keep em coming

[@timi8018]

i just made an 9 month long brake from dbd ,i was burn out from this game and become toxic now a i play again not that offen but more calm than before.

[@kingofthedepths3513]

Giving up on the killers, considering my mains are blight and deathslinger, and they are the same ethnicity as me giving up on them would be giving up on myself

[@oinkayaya]

I fuckin' hope so

[@its.fundip]

not fast enough

[@XpertGreekGamer]

i aint watching allat at least not yet so i'll leave a comment as a reminder even with the alien chapter, the growth stopped, not only is the game stale, but the growth alongside with it that's it, unless some big new innovation comes around that won't change, no amount of pixels running around wood is gonna change that, alien proved that, idc how creative you get with those running pixels, it don't matter, you're running around fkin wood again

[@pizzashovel8236]

I was a bit reluctant to click on this video when I saw the clickbait tiltle that has been extremely overused by the community, but I genuinely enjoyed the video and the points you brought up. Editing was crisp and the script was really well put together. Good Job!

[@spencerbowden2979]

Dead by daylight just ended up over feeding the bunny that is game content and neglecting the kitty that is game balance. And every time they fix the problematic shit they add new problematic shit a month later.

[@mobs2r]

I think it would be cool if Dead by Daylight licensed the characters from VHS to help them with their new game now that it's shutdown.

[@Passion7188]

This video was done so well I just had to subscribe lol good stuff Skrump!

[@gamingmitmeinemgutencomput9941]

Yo skrump,Comp Friday the 13th player here. you ran into a bully squad in the compilation you showed there,i faced a lot of the people you actually ran into in my lobbies aswell (maybe you ran into me at some point in the video,that's quiet possible) so lemme just help with f13 real quick,in case you ever wanna touch the game again after those rounds. the most important part of jason are obviously his abilities and yes they take way longer than 3 rounds to understand fully. so i will just give you a few tips here. you can't just morph to every point of the map,the game has Morph spawns and jason will teleport to the nearest one,you can actually memorize them cause they are always the same,making them a double sided blade (my team likes to trap the morph spawns as counselor to get jason stuck there) But as jason you can learn them to actually morph grab people. sense is the obviousl ability which really doesn't need a lot of explaining. Shift is the 2nd most important ability after morph. You don't Ever wanna short shift (enter shift and instantly leave it cause you think you're in grab range) instead you wanna use the full duration of the shift,the counselor will try to dodge it and burn stamina in the process,making them a easier target later. even if you don't get the shift grab on them,they now wasted at least half their stamina and will be easy prey. stalk will make your terror radius disappear and also help with jasons hearing,counselor noises are louder. stalk will have a longer duration if you stand still and not move. But the most important part of stalk is that it will cause a static to appear on the counselors screen,the same static appears when jason uses his shift and morph ability. often the counselor thinks you shift so they will just start running around to dodge it even tho you aren't even shifting,then you can activate your shift and get a counselor that has no stamina left. the 5th ability is rage,which is pretty much a buff to all other abilities (increases the range of sense and lowers the cooldown of all abilities) it also makes you immune to melee weapon stuns,flare gun stuns and firecracker stuns+ it allows you to break doors instantly. Now the most important part about Jason combat is the combat stance which you activate by pressing C. if you are in combat stance (will call is cs from now on cause lazy me) jason will lock onto counselors,making it easier to get a hit off. If you hold right mouse button while in cs,you are immune to melee weapon stuns even if you don't have the rage activated yet. breaking doors in cs is also wayyyyyyy faster than with the long asf animation. Now what you have to know is that some jasons deal more slash damage than others. jasons with +weapon strength will deal 30 damage while jasons without it will only deal 20. if a counselor loses 50% of his health,they will start limping. a throwing knife ALWAYS deals 30 damage. what advanced players like to do is combo-ing counselors,we slash,then throw a knife,then slash again,this will 100% make the counselor limp. if other counselors are around to save in case of a grab,you just go into cs and slash them,if the counselor nearby goes for a save,you block the hit in cs and then finish the job. there is obviously a lot more to the game,i have over 2.6k hours in f13 and still play every day, someone on my team has over 10k hours and still learns. the game is wayyyy more complicated then what you showed here,but i don't blame you,it seems like its easy to understand when in reality it's the total opposite. also what you wanna know is that ping matters way more than in a lot of other games when it comes to combat,so you wanna host your own lobby if you play in pubs to make sure to not have any delay. I hope i could help.

[@gamingmitmeinemgutencomput9941]

also just a little thing i noticed when watching the video,you went up against cheaters. the game only spawns 3 pocket knives per round,2 in drawers and one at a campfire. so you getting stunned by like 7 of them in one round is Literally impossible. so at least one of the players you went up against actively spawned pks in using cheats.

[@mobs2r]

Home Sweet Home: Survive has a sequel called Home Sweet Home: Online by the way. VHS also shut down their servers with peertopeer & are no longer offering licenses for the game.

[@peacecraft82]

I don't know why everyone gives Sonny a hard time. He is my main when I play victim and I think his ability is great. I've been able to escape so many times thanks to it.

[@himonji]

i've seen a few people mention it in the comments here but i wanted to bring up a few points about identity v myself. i'm honestly shocked at how many dbd players don't give the game a try. in my opinion it's balanced a lot better and despite the learning curve for the different character abilities it doesn't require the same kind of grind that dbd does. it also has a thriving competitive community that i think a lot of players want from dbd. the only things that i think are working against it for dbd fans are: - being aimed at mobile players and having a less than ideal pc port - theming being less slasher and more tim burton (and collabs that reflect this) - substantial gameplay style differences that just feel wrong; best example probably being how camping and tunneling is considered valid and standard practice in identity v - the devs actively not advertising to western audiences (i assume so as not to step on bhvr's toes considering the companies have a great working relationship) it's probably the game with the greatest potential to dethrone dbd and i wish more people would give it a better shot than trying it for an hour, being confused by the controls/mechanics, deciding the game sucks because they can't figure it out, and then quitting for good.