The prevalence of stuns and disables really makes you remember that this is a game by the people who made Dota. The game with blinking earthshakers in it. I don't remember where I first heard it, I think fighting games, but I remember the exchange of "How do you get out of this situation?" being countered with "the way out of this situation is to not get into it in the first place." Initiation becomes an arms race. Who can lay an ambush first, who can fly halfway across the map and stun the whole enemy team first, because when a lot of the kit and items in this game revolve around getting close to someone before they can get away from you, eventually all reaction must become prediction.
@ster2 ай бұрын
Pretty much, and skilled teams refuse to engage until they've reloaded their ambush buttons
@6u1ll32 ай бұрын
@@ster That gives you an oportunity to take midboss. If they refuse to engage, you take objetives. MOBAs come from strategy games after all.
@revan12022 ай бұрын
Hard core support player for dota 2, A little bit of column A and column B. My job is as the support was too predict the enemy positions I didn't hate it but what I had was not too worry to much on buying items my abilities mattered more and setting the stage for my carry and initiators putting wards down dewarding locations being a pain to their setups and making bluffs with smoke. All well in good for a dedicated person that enjoys reading the map....That is where your worries come to reality and the same for star here. I'm sure icefrog is behind this madness but the difference in that game was you could glance at your teams lane to see how they're doing to make a call or even keep an eye on the blips of the map etc. I saw earthshaker in the jungle he has blink now and I make sure my team knows he has it and he is top. Calls are made the game continues. With deadlock there are no dedicated roles which drives me a little crazy and I can't make decisions around me team as I don't know their builds or where they're at with confidence I know the health bar and icons on the MINI map but that doesn't help me the first person shooter part with the ambush mechanics are already a problem. TLDR: You're right and it's going to get nasty once players understand the items and builds a little more the CC is not good when you can't watch the fight as a support player who enjoys the job of watching and predicting.
@bunnyfreakz2 ай бұрын
Most of heroes with strong stun in Deadlock shooting peashooter with shitty range. It is balanced that way.
@tilting_cat33442 ай бұрын
laughs in tracking 4 second stun morphling
@Chimmaney2 ай бұрын
"Why don't more people use the source engine? It feels like home." Very high-quality, well-produced video, ster. It feels like home too.
@robotsix62682 ай бұрын
Source 2, from what I can tell, is still very much closed to the general public.
@xythiera72552 ай бұрын
Becouse its a valve only engine that only works becouse they have all the peopl working with it . Why training somebody to us a Engine thats not industry standart needs most likely alot of changes to work in different typ of games that only valve woud be allowed to do over Unreal that everybody knows how to us is usabell for basicly everything you want to make gets all the new tech and tools there is 0 reason to not us Unreal
@n_core2 ай бұрын
@@robotsix6268 The only public Source 2 you can get is through the S&box game, and that game also heavily modified Source 2 into its own thing.
@jojoman69712 ай бұрын
@@xythiera7255 i mean i'm pretty sure while source 2 is still closed with the only third party it got leased to is garry newman ( the creator of gmod) to make S&Box, the first source engine was public its just that it isnt really that easy to use and if you wanted to make money of what you made using the source 1 engine you had to pay licensing fees, which was not really worth it since the source 1 engine was pretty old by the time it became public and engines like unity and unreal engine were free to use
@doesntno2 ай бұрын
Seems like I've been here before. Seems so familiar. Feels like I'm slipping into a dream within a dream...
@jm4n472 ай бұрын
the gimmick part of the video reminds me of kids play battling where one kid has a gun that kills everything in one shot but the other kid has a superpower that makes him invincible but the first kid put an upgrade on that gun to make it so it can kill the other kid and
@carrotsporks2 ай бұрын
That's kind of the best way to summarize Valve's approach to balance lmao
@Androiski2 ай бұрын
thats the dota experience. I don't see it as an issue because as game experience grows you know what to expect out of people and can see their item builds. So you counter that. Skill wins fights, but being one step ahead of the enemy wins the game.
@SmittyWerbenJag3rmanJenson2 ай бұрын
@@AndroiskiSounds like cope, its the lamest form of skill expression to buy an item to win
@greyskies51152 ай бұрын
@@SmittyWerbenJag3rmanJenson What's the coolest form of skill expression? Being the best at wiggling your mouse around?
@Philiqification2 ай бұрын
@@greyskies5115 I mean "wiggling your mouse around" seems more interesting and fun to me than competitive shopping if we're gonna be reductive and hyperbolic
@TheLibraryofLetourneau2 ай бұрын
as someone who's played Dota and FPS games, this definitely satisfies more of that dota itch for me. i think the game will feel more fleshed out the more heroes are added and while you have some bullshit combo, the enemies will have bullshit combos too. as for the long team fight, can't speak for league but those are all items you see in dota but more importantly its all late game gear which is necessary since by that point everyone is extremely tanky or have high dps so each death is earned as it can swing the game to end within minutes if you're not careful.
@The_Rat_Bridget_Fan2 ай бұрын
Woah hi librarian
@HarveyJackson19672 ай бұрын
Liberian less than 3
@MatiasMaldona32 ай бұрын
+2
@g76agi2 ай бұрын
Bro what out in the wild????
@shaphier70572 ай бұрын
Thanks for the new bits and banter daddy
@ster2 ай бұрын
Yeah guys, trust me, I get that its similar to DoTA. I didnt miss that.
@vtnk75972 ай бұрын
you didn't metioned it. So i'd think you did miss
@pussymoney57642 ай бұрын
I played a lot of dota and I still think my remnants from the ashes mechanics are what's carrying me.
@thetree19942 ай бұрын
Probably just thought it was obvious so didn’t bother mentioning it
@redonyellow24682 ай бұрын
It's just your reaction is the same reaction everyone from Dota expected Overwatch and League fans to have. "Everything is too powerful. The items are too powerful. There's too much CC". It's a very predictable video considering your background.
@yezra85632 ай бұрын
It just feels like you didn't do your due diligence beforehand tho. You say you get that it's a MOBA and yet all your complaints are intrinsic parts of MOBAs. It's like you ordered a pizza and complained that there's cheese on it.
@trackpadchad2392 ай бұрын
Any game with an engine derived from Quake will have movement that feels good. John Carmack is the Prometheus that brought us mobility
@dracvich2 ай бұрын
John Carmack is one of the greatest developers to have ever existed Multiplayer shooters wouldn't contain some of the greatest games that it has if it weren't for him and the entire classic iD devs' efforts Real shame that his time at Meta developing VR tech ended with the corporation shafting him though, I hope he's doing well now
@Maximiliankovic2 ай бұрын
but still quake 3 arena has more fundamental and fluent gameplay than this casual/hardcore mess :-(
@trackpadchad2392 ай бұрын
@@Maximiliankovic There's a reason why nobody plays quake 3 anymore lol
@ThatGuyNamedRick2 ай бұрын
the problem with Quake is that developers that use it fight _against_ the jank like Fast Inverse Square Root and the game falls apart. Quake Engine works best when you work with the craziness and just do some error checking along the way.
@lucass81192 ай бұрын
@@trackpadchad239 Yeah, cuz it's old. If you just remake quake people would play it, that's how it works. Newer games get more playtime. That's why call of duty is the most played game ever for like 2 weeks and then everyone forgets about it.
@LLNG2 ай бұрын
5:47 Classic dota 2 moment where teamfights takes a century to finish and then nothing happened afterwards.
@catalyst44482 ай бұрын
This is also just a low elo league gimmick where everyone has spell block refresh or revive items
@Eg9yBoy2 ай бұрын
Except that for dota long team fights are usually associated with high skill matches. 🧊🐸
@sony_mdr75062 ай бұрын
@@Eg9yBoy happens in my herald games all the time
@zezanje12 ай бұрын
ye seems lik this game is much more similar to dota than league. you can see in one of the gameplay cuts that the game has been going on for 45 minutes at that point, which in league happens once every 50 games in low elo and probably evey 100+ games in higher elos. also the fact that every ability is so disgustingly broken is a very dota-like way of balancing the game, if everything is broken, then nothing is.
@tulejumal2 ай бұрын
half of the players dead means nothing happened? in the beta of the game?
@SomeGuyWithAFace92 ай бұрын
the impression i get from this video is that deadlock is a game with very crazy, in-depth combos and wacky item synergies that will be very fun with to experiment with and mess around with, but might be shitty once the novelty wears off and a meta starts to become established this makes me wanna get in on the ground floor now, have fun before a meta is established and experiment and goof around, and then hope in the long term as the meta develops good patches keep the annoying stuff from getting too out of hand
@yoyoniggsniggs64872 ай бұрын
Icefrog is onef the dev so expect wacky and drastic, borderline retarded updates, it converges into metas, but the meta is usually updated every patch.
@raulfreeman3132 ай бұрын
i trust valve and icefrog with the meta stuff. Dota 2 never had a proper "meta" for more than 2 weeks at most, the game is so complex and deep that even if valve never updated for a year, people would STILL find new metas and crazy builds in the game. Its very clear deadlock is headed that direction too and some people might not like it, but the moba/strategy nerd are gonna go crazy for it. But you know what they say. A game for everyone is a game for no one.
@user-rn4kl7uv3y2 ай бұрын
@@raulfreeman313 There is even a time when dota 2 lacks massive updates and yet people find new meta here and there. This is back when the neon prime leak happened a few years ago.
@raulfreeman3132 ай бұрын
@@user-rn4kl7uv3y the thing I will say about moba players tho is, they STARVE for change and content so much and idk how the shooter crowd is gonna feel about that. Maybe im just thinking only about tf2/cs2 fans who dont like change, but it seems like valve is not afraid of filtering some players out if it means theyll have a dedicated and loyal fanbase.
@CoolRobbit2 ай бұрын
@@raulfreeman313 You look at TI2 era Lycan or 6.83 and you tell me with a straight face that Dota has never had a hard meta. I guarantee you there's some bullshit in almost every patch and the only reason people don't get sick of it is that they rework half the game and bloat it with a new mechanic once or twice a year.
@roadhoundd.2 ай бұрын
I feel that part of TF2’s longevity is its simplicity. You have only (usually) 3 weapons to manage, and weapons are mostly balanced against each other. Even a medic running a vaccinator has counter play. (Which probably also explains why everybody hates sniper, since you have so few options on counter play).
@Bloockackack2 ай бұрын
deadlock sounds like it’d be fun for about a week before people find extremely specific strategies that make everything else completely useless and if u don’t run those strategies u might as well just not play
@BronzeAgePepper2 ай бұрын
@@Bloockackack you mean to tell me Overwatch-derived slop plays like OW and has stupid game design and balance decisions that leads to straight up toxicity. Wow, I didn't know that. You're telling me now for the first time.
@stevethepocket2 ай бұрын
And it's low stakes. Dying once doesn't give whoever killed you a permanent cash boost that they can spend on getting even more powerful. All it does is take you out of the action for a bit. There's no concept of "feeding" to get salty about.
@dyadyabafomyot16682 ай бұрын
@@stevethepocketYeah, that's why i don't like mobas. They feel like gambling. Winning feels good, but loosing is stressful and frustrating
@NBASFAN2 ай бұрын
@@dyadyabafomyot1668 thats how it should be. Losing shouldn't be rewarding... what's next life sentence should be celebrated?
@candi_appel2 ай бұрын
as a moba/shooter player, this game is fucking crack cocaine. the movement feels fantastic, the csing/denying feels fantastic, the cc is obviously annoying but is pretty easy to play around ive found unless the team is REALLY coordinated - like 3+ stacks.
@sofialaya5962 ай бұрын
and its still in development right? might get better
@LastHazzerd2 ай бұрын
in shooters, stuns are often so looked down on that they get removed. in MOBAs, stuns are something that tons of playable characters have in their kits. Not sure how that's gonna balance out with this game.
@godlyvex55432 ай бұрын
stuns work great in paladins imo
@gachigasm32102 ай бұрын
Yeah so far it feels like characters with stuns are REALLY strong now, even tho most of them are delayed in some ways. And Dynamo with blackhole is just ridiculous
@Mugnum_2 ай бұрын
Stuns in shooters are tricky. They're obnoxious when they're brief and are locking your aiming: like cree's flashbang in OW that used to lock your camera controls for
@dane13822 ай бұрын
yeah, it feels like valve is trying to cater to both their shooter and dota fanbases in this game, and theyre getting along like oil and water.
@rylace2 ай бұрын
Stuns are cancer and a blight upon gaming. The only PvP games where I think stuns are acceptable are fighting games and that's just because idk how tf you would make a fun fighting game without them since they are pretty integral to combos which is a large portion of the appeal of fighting games.
@BigIndividual2 ай бұрын
This feels like a classic Ster video. It’s nice and comfy…
@Nightflyermike2 ай бұрын
that seems a bit reductive considering the growth that star has made as a creator
@raamoo_2 ай бұрын
this seems a bit reductive implying that his previous content is inferior to what he has made after he grew as a creator
@BigIndividual2 ай бұрын
@@raamoo_ I apologize that this comment has completely destroyed all of Star_’s future creative endeavors it will never happen again
@LordVader10942 ай бұрын
@@Nightflyermike Lol what is blud yapping about
@LordVader10942 ай бұрын
@@raamoo_ Why are y'all so mad about someone being nostalgic over classic Ster lmao, you're jumping out of the woodwork to say "muh reductive"
@BongDerrick2 ай бұрын
Will Deadlock have hats?
@FlawedbyDesign7772 ай бұрын
I‘d rather have radiation poisoning.
@ChuckPickle2 ай бұрын
It most likely will have hats.
@Magmatic_Agnaktor2 ай бұрын
Yeah the cowboy hat for bebop is amazing!
@derangedfreackingtwistedps50482 ай бұрын
Infernus already has a burning flames fancy fedora. HOA hats on arrival
@wildercerrate72952 ай бұрын
It’s gonna be a valve free to play title… seeing as they basically invented hats, loot boxes and all of that… yes they’re gonna have hats. Probably the best hats
@tdcarl7X2 ай бұрын
I have a theory that stuns in video games are designed to instruct the gamer that lack of movement is more deadly than bursting damage. Therefore being stunned ie sitting at a computer game for 8 hours a day is actually more deadly than getting punched.
@sofialaya5962 ай бұрын
wise words
@Jameskii2 ай бұрын
You covered my thoughts perfectly. At the end of the day the simplicity combined with large potential for experimentation has been very enjoyable and I hope it doesn’t derive way too much from its core as the development progresses
@robertshmurda2 ай бұрын
too bad it’s a MOBA, which means that it’s objectively a bad video game
@angel_of_rust2 ай бұрын
@@robertshmurda this
@nineofive.25732 ай бұрын
100% agree with the source engine take. No other engine has what source provides idk why company’s don’t try with it.
@iminumst78272 ай бұрын
Because in 2015, Valve lied and said they would release Source 2 for free for all developers, but then they kept it private, only licensing it out to ONE developer so far. And older Source engines are incredibly outdated.
@Goldfish_Vender2 ай бұрын
@@iminumst7827 Oof. Valve, while very good, do shoot themselves in the foot sometimes.
@RADkate2 ай бұрын
@@iminumst7827 thats because source 2 wasnt even redy by then it only got finished with alyx
@haiperbus2 ай бұрын
@@iminumst7827back then they were still using Havok physics, it was in pre-pre-pre-alpha
@Zanthous_2 ай бұрын
I don't think source 2 is really available or easy to use for non-valve right now.
@scenario5292 ай бұрын
I like to see the goofiness of the game mechanics as the devs trying to see the edge cases of the game mechanics. Like see how far people can take certain mechanics and what kind of effects it will have, so that they will have data and knowledge for future. I think it’s good that they r doing this now with a bunch of different mechanics rather than later. People need to keep in mind that this is still early stage so nothing is set in stone and almost everything can be seen as experimental
@chazfernandes98402 ай бұрын
Like how my buddy got his Bebop hook up to 88 meters LOL
@IoFoxdale2 ай бұрын
I mean, they just feel like (and often literally are) DOTA items. I doubt they’re going to completely overhaul the feeling of the itemisation.
@zezanje12 ай бұрын
this game is pretty much fps dota. dota is like this, and it makes sense that valve will go in that direction. and when i mean like "this" i mean that its just all a big game of rock-paper-scissors. everything counters everything and the entire game you try not to get counterpicked by building a counter to his counter and then he does the same etc. a very annoying way of balancing the game to any player that isnt a hardcore fan imo
@travisumbel68772 ай бұрын
@@zezanje1That isn't the case at all. DOTA balance is more of like a "Here is this hero. They do one thing really well, and in a better way than any other hero. If your team doesn't pick someone to counter them or mitigate what they do, or you can try to pick a different strategy and try do do a different thing more effectively than them. If that doesn't work, maybe some items will help but if those don't work then you better pray that your team is just better organized.". I have found that this leads to a lot of games where both teams have asymmetrical strategies that don't necessarily counter each other but still play against each other quite well and a lot of times it isn't immediately obvious which team actually has the advantage.
@ponjun39702 ай бұрын
"Like see how far people can take certain mechanics and what kind of effects it will have" Every Dota 2 Players who has to experience every new dumb, funny, and broken shit every major patches or every year: "Well about that-" It's the reason why Dota players still call their game still in beta. Always has something new always has something removed or gone. Even returning players think if they're playing Dota 2 or Dota 37 even after reading patches. So after Deadlock officially releases, I bet, the first ones who will call it still in beta game are Dota players. You'll experience Deadlock 2 right away.
@chasethebeat2 ай бұрын
OMG it's the burger food guy
@puppypaws78812 ай бұрын
he will never escape his typecast
@sabani64702 ай бұрын
No he's the diaper guy
@Dog-999i2 ай бұрын
Foot lettuce?
@ru_ffles2 ай бұрын
No its the guy who threw hot greasy bacon on his monitor and keyboard
@cheatlink112 ай бұрын
No, he's the guy who pooped his pants ON STREAM to save jerma
@scenariiecranizatecuАй бұрын
after watching a lot of Jerma's old videos i decided to see what Ster was up to nowadays and i'm quite pleasantly surprised. This is a genuienly hooking video and it earned my subscription despite never having really followed Ster's stuff before.
@spinyslasher658628 күн бұрын
~450 hours in, currently in mid Oracle rank, and I can confirm even in this relatively tryhard level, the game's still a lot of fun even with meta builds. The thing is, the counterplay mechanics in the game prevents item builds from becoming too static. The best players have to constantly adapt to the situation at hand and thus there's no definitive build pathway, it's always changing depending on the flow of the game, the opposition lineup and also their itemisation.
@NitroLemons2 ай бұрын
Even Valve could not make me really enjoy MOBAs, but its best quality is that my friends who only play League will actually play it with me. Definitely agree about the streamlined item buying, it really made a difference for someone like me who kinda hates that aspect of MOBAs.
@nbshftr2 ай бұрын
by far the best thing deadlock does is let me play with my friends and not have to open up riot games client
@colbyboucher63912 ай бұрын
Considering it streamlined is interesting, considering you can pick up more than usual and they do fairly significant stuff.
@Tory-JJ2 ай бұрын
Keep them in league, we don't want them. Holy god please.
@itscfam2 ай бұрын
my thought as well, my friend group is basically split 50/50 between MOBA players and shooter enjoyers. This is has something for both and is actually bringing us together
@lunosse98862 ай бұрын
@@Tory-JJby “we” you mean you? Who is “we?”
@drew3n2 ай бұрын
With so many stuns, shutdowns and movement options I feel like a point of frustration will be that counterplay is dependent on seeing you enemy. In dota or league, its 2d so everyone can see each other within the FOV, or when they cant its a gameplay choice, like with bushes that needs to be worked around. In 1st person you can get jumped with an ult from behind, or above and from that perspective you just get dumpstered out of nowhere. Overwatch kinda has this problem, but its abilities were less hard shutdown overall.
@Chorismos2 ай бұрын
Overwatch basically has no hard shutdowns anymore except for a few ults on tanks and maybe Ana's sleep dart.
@robotj65592 ай бұрын
If you get dumpstered out of nowhere, the counterplay is to not be in that position in the first place. In my experience, controlling vision is not frustrating, its vital. If im staring at a wall, neglecting vision, i deserve to die regardless if its 2d or 3d. If someone crawls out of a staircase behind me, its on our team for not tracking that enemy and its a good play done by the enemy team. Counterplay isn't just what actives and abilities you pop during a fight, but also what you do before it.
@DiscordZe2 ай бұрын
I've been playing a bit now and the sound design tries to address that point. You can hear from where and when people are trying to ambush you. Maybe it is from playing a lot of PUBG and Apex in the past but I pay close attention to the sound of footsteps to know where my enemy is coming from.
@julius99432 ай бұрын
very true, though i've personally been really fond of using some of the items to counter it like indomitable. they never see it coming lol
@chrishaven14892 ай бұрын
@@robotj6559 To my understanding, warding is not really a thing in this game, so the concept of "controlling vision" might mean something different in this game compared to other mobas
@moop89962 ай бұрын
I agree with the occult/roaring 60's vibe the game offers, I love the sign that advertises horn wax to keep horns clean like shoe polish lol.
@vikingraider582 ай бұрын
60s?
@TwoSouthFarm2 ай бұрын
@@vikingraider58The event that caused Earth to be full of magic happened around the 20s. We know the current game is set in the 60s because said event also brought a gargoyle to life and now that gargoyle has been breathing for almost 4 decades now.
@r4mpeij2 ай бұрын
@@TwoSouthFarm Ivy was awoken not even 20 years ago. And the game clearly is 30-40s, not 60s.
@vikingraider582 ай бұрын
@@TwoSouthFarm I mean the aesthetic of the game is definitely not 60s
@TanigakisAsscheeks2 ай бұрын
it feels way more like a 20s/30s game honestly
@boxman70442 ай бұрын
“Everybody is in this sorta free for all across the map” Yep it’s a valve game
@lock_checker4342Ай бұрын
This game has a nice community already; all chat and team chat is hilarious most of the time. That's all that it takes for me to move from League of Legends to Deadlock... period. I hope that people remain friendly for the game's full duration.
@theanonymspysandwichАй бұрын
That's just because you don't get to have two flavors of russians cursing in your ears
@greenoftreeblackofblue66252 ай бұрын
Seems like a Star_ type game.
@FlawedbyDesign7772 ай бұрын
Mentally unhinged and ADHD-fueled
@RADkate2 ай бұрын
truly a niichts type of genre
@humanharddrive12 ай бұрын
it really doesn't
@MM-vs2et2 ай бұрын
Not really. Ster's biggest gripe it seems is the moba aspects of this game. This game is 70% moba. And the higher skill level you go, the more that percentage increases. That's why he thinks the game feels more gimmicky the better you get. That's just moba for you
@KingThrillgore2 ай бұрын
Well what did you expect? A Jerma game? This one doesn't explode his house mid game. Don't get me started on what's in a "Vinny game"
@Carsonist2 ай бұрын
The idea of having 8 activated abilities + shopping + levelling multiplied by ten players makes me stressed out just thinking about it.
@Ya0w2 ай бұрын
From having played it a fair bit, you'd be above average if you actually were thinking during the matches so don't worry.
@Carsonist2 ай бұрын
@@Ya0w lol
@MasticaterTheChewer2 ай бұрын
This game is going to be extraordinarily sweaty because it'll just attract that kind of population having all these mechanics to master, which makes the potential skill ceiling is so absurdly beyond high. It's fun for sure, but also utterly bewildering and confusing to me with my tiny 20hrs of playtime.
@maudiojunky2 ай бұрын
@@MasticaterTheChewer It's definitely more Dota than shooter. I have thousands of hours on Dota and picked up Deadlock easy peasy.
@dillydallyyyy2 ай бұрын
@@MasticaterTheChewer This point is even further pushed by the LAME fact that there is fucking HIDDEN elo in the game without even a comp mode. Literally having to remake accounts every other day because after a certain point the lobbies are so sweaty.
@JackCabbit202 ай бұрын
My favourite little bit is the candlestick head minions go shorter the lower their health is I love the game, i have only 25 hours and played it since last week but already loving the game. My Four main characters are Mcginnis , warden, Kelvin and Ivy in that order of playtime My smite background kicked in and already I am loving this game Also im enjoing just the pve bot matches as a Blue-collar casual
@MRkookos123Ай бұрын
This was the only Deadlock video I watched and after that I started play the game daily. I have 700h in Dota 2 and last time I played it was 2014. I love Deadlock and I'm happy that you made a video about it. PS. I saw you looking youtube comments last stream and I just wanted to comment :)
@randomphoenix202 ай бұрын
I had fun with deadlock, my problems lie with the fact that it is, at the end of the day, a moba and I never liked mobas. The learning cliff is annoying, and the struggle of figuring out why you are getting stomped before you can learn how to prevent that is just too much.
@luk4aaaa2 ай бұрын
play bot matches, learn at your own pace there and then play vs players. and remember, you win through cold hard cash and not kills, maximise the smount of souls you get per minute by taking jungle camps and taking lane creeps.
@santagaben80242 ай бұрын
7:26 ah yes,thank you
@RallForeman2 ай бұрын
As someone that has played League on and off for years. At the counter part portion there are some champions when they get the right items early enough or just fed enough that counter play from certain champions is impossible. There's a funny champion that was called Mordekaiser who's ultimate is to lock them down in a special realm that's super small and don't let them escape (So it's good to use on Squishy Champs to grantee they can't run and you can kill them). The PROBLEM however was a funny little item called QSS (Quick Silver Slash) that everyone in lane against him would buy that CLEANSED all types of CC. So the combo for years was "Fighting Mordekaiser? Buy QSS. He ults you to kill you in his realm? Use QSS and run away (also puts his ultimate on full cooldown. The QSS item cooldown was also around the same timer as Mords ultimate. So you can forever make him waste/escape his Ultimate). Mord dosen't have any movement escape for his E pull, if he misses that or it's dodged, he can't keep up and secure his kill then. They did however fix this...by making Mord's Ultimate ignore QSS Clense because it wasn't considered as Slow/Stun/Charm/Root but it's own thing. It took them years to make this change. YEARS. I got a feeling on full release there's going to be a lot of balance changes around the items because it reminds me a lot of Dota 2. Which is insanely item active use reliant and may turn a lot of people off because very niche meta's for this game are going to be made.
@gragalakaisel14772 ай бұрын
it's kind of different in DotA. because if mordekaiser is in DotA. he'd be able to cancel his ult animation. so it gives a little bit of mind games to people. kind of like how Pudge Hook or Magnus RP or even SF's ult cancel to bait out Movements or BKB or blink daggers anything. Or in Mordekaiser's case. he'd be able to bait the QSS. There are already a hero in deadlock where you can cancel the skill. I forgot which one. I accidentally found out about it by missclicking.
@34elusive2 ай бұрын
@@gragalakaisel1477 You're unable to use QSS or Cleanse on Mord's ult anymore.
@qazx14272 ай бұрын
@@gragalakaisel1477 Worth mentioning that with Morde's ult, you can QSS at any point during the ult and it lasts 10 seconds IIRC, so animation baiting won't do much in Morde's case.
@skyper89342 ай бұрын
Riot went over a 5 year crusade to kill gimmicks. Most weird builds are over, most dumb runes and items got removed. Why? Because you had to keep those gimmicks underpowered or they were extremely unfun. Pyke mid, Kleptomancy, Morgana jungle to name a few.
@dawgyv722 ай бұрын
@@34elusive read man............
@Sillssa2 ай бұрын
My biggest gripe is that its just such a mess as to whats going on, on your screen. Especially during that part where you were making the example of it having too many gimmicks. Its just magic neon lights filling your entire view. It doesnt feel like half the things that happen in this game necessarily need a visual indicator, especially when that visual indicator doesnt actually say anything about what is going on, you just know that something is going on
@evanderholyfeels2 ай бұрын
Id reccomend turning graphical settings to low, cleans up of that clutter.
@Dave01Rhodes2 ай бұрын
It is baffling to me that Valve, who worked so hard on the visual designs of TF2 and Portal to make everything readable at a glance, is fine with making a game that’s a complete unreadable visual mess. Ster said people would want to watch this game more than play it, but I don’t think I can even get over that barrier. I could never get into Overwatch for the same reason… there’s particles everywhere and the game leans entirely on the HUD to communicate information because they wanted the game to be flashy instead of readable.
@ster2 ай бұрын
genuinely as you play the game more i feel that everything happening is very clear despite how it seems at first -- same for a lot of comments about how cluttered the ui feels
@raulfreeman3132 ай бұрын
@@Dave01Rhodes damn, its almost like the game is unfinished 🤯, it also feels like the artstyle and graphics was completely overhauled not even 8 months ago 🤯. muh valve devs have fallen from grace wahh😭😭 #fixtf2 #myballsitch
@Dave01Rhodes2 ай бұрын
@@raulfreeman313 look at in-dev assets for TF2. Readability was always baked in. Maybe they’ll overhaul the Deadlock art completely, but I doubt it.
@FaceD0wnDagon2 ай бұрын
That's definitely my thought as well. The game is very EXCITING and full of potential, but I am just not sure how that potential will be capitalized on. The longer I play, the more games seem to be dominated by very early laning interactions for a gigantic snowball on one side or the other, and when that doesn't happen, tend to get very ratty/split-pushy untill the one team boxes the other into base, and either rolls them or gets durdled out by small trades until the power script flips in a long game. The better the players get, the less that exciting fights seem to happen, and the more it tends toward "victory by strangulation."
@colehoward95132 ай бұрын
I saw that first vindictor feet thumbnail
@GeorgeNoiseless2 ай бұрын
Vinny: I'm going to try it just because it's a Valve game. STER_: I'm going to reveal my Power Level on main, Pokelawls: I've been playing with STER_ all this time. ... Now we wait for the next Four Horsemen Event. P.S. Yeah, heard the bit from the "Thank Goodness You're Here!" stream, alas.
@squiddyte45522 ай бұрын
jerma is a smite head i could see him being very into this
@funyppl2 ай бұрын
This is absolutely not a Jerma-type game though lol
@kona70432 ай бұрын
@@funyppl if he played smite i don't see why he wouldn't play this.
@GeorgeNoiseless2 ай бұрын
@@funyppl That Nude SMITE streamer? Are you sure?
@casserCOM2 ай бұрын
@@kona7043 The problem with most of these guys is that they're old (lol). Jerma is almost 40, Ster is mid-30s, Vinny is almost 40, Poke is 30. This game requires an insane amount of dexterity/alertness/macro/micro/creep farming/soul denying/aiming/advanced builds, etc. It's nothing like Smite. Smite is a joke compared to this game in terms of complexity. (No offense to Smite). Smite is entirely on the ground and features slow, horizontal-only aiming with auto-lock. Deadlock has full range of motion with an extremely in depth-movement system, full verticality, and fast paced movement that's like TF2 on crack. I can see people like Poke and Ster playing this game considering they're still hardcore gamers and such but if you've ever seen Jerma's Fortnite stream, this shit would be a nightmare for him to stream. I'm 22 and even I have a hard time with this game, and I've played shooters/mobas since I was in elementary school. I'm not sure Vinny or Jerm have it in them, and honestly I'm surprised Ster seems to be this competent at the game. He must play TF2 alot still. Would be fun to see them try it for a few games and watch as they progressively get more upset.
@ryorai58042 ай бұрын
0:30 you forgot the magic trick of making your money disappear
@MilkJugA_2 ай бұрын
As a long-tme dota player, its pretty funny to hear complaints or concerns about stun durations. I dont see anything wrong about Dynamo refreshing the ult to cast it again by itself. My initial reaction to the game was that they were overall short or hard to pull off, such as Wraiths ultimate having a kinda slow and audible projectile, just for a 1-2s stun. But then I realized that in Dota, everything is a lot more visible with the top-down camera view, with more unique polarized roles, meaning a support will often be able to have a full supporting toolkit to save an ally from a stun, or the player themselves see the initiation coming from various sources of vision and manages to counter it. So in deadlock, it is kinda hard to counter certain things I think a big difference between dota and deadlock is the economy. Things such as duration extension and cooldown reduction is rare to come by in dota, the items are rather used to enable a hero to cast spells in the first place, hit efficiently and give defensive benefits to counterplay. Most items in dota are also medium to high cost, but built from smaller components, while also gaining item overall takes more time, and given priority to the core roles. This makes the item progression more gradual and slow, and monopolizes most of the direct danger towards 2 or 3 of the players on each team. While in deadlock, threats are hard to keep track of since farm is distributed more. I think if they wanna really make the dota-like high power-ceiling thing work they need to make the game a bit more visible and maybe overall slower maybe
@rawhide_kobayashi2 ай бұрын
the i-m-m-e-r-s-i-o-n and on-demand nature of a gun shoot game makes stun mechanics FEEL SO MUCH WORSE than they are in crinjj babby click power up cooldown games
@MilkJugA_2 ай бұрын
@@rawhide_kobayashi good thing stuns in deadlock is usually reserved for ultimate abilities then
@rawhide_kobayashi2 ай бұрын
@@MilkJugA_ I don't care how reserved they are, there is no acceptable amount. They were all finally removed from TF2 after years of suffering!
@MilkJugA_2 ай бұрын
@@rawhide_kobayashi alright play tf2 then i guess
@rawhide_kobayashi2 ай бұрын
@@MilkJugA_ I will, I will!
@COZYTW2 ай бұрын
I am so happy that Ster is posting more videos here
@TeamPycho2 ай бұрын
To your Metalskin example, you get Silencer, which silences items and moves, and when you think about strategy you have to add timings
@snippids2 ай бұрын
To be fair, all the gimmick stuff is MOBA stuff from DOTA. In MOBAs gimmicks are just called builds.
@alfonshedstrom98592 ай бұрын
Reminds me of that meme that goes "Our GLORIOUS builds vs their CHEESY gimmicks" (it's the same thing)
@VideoGameMantis2 ай бұрын
honestly the more he explained the MOBA bullshit the more my enjoyment of this game grew it's fucked up, but it's kinda beautiful
@genericasianperson64052 ай бұрын
Thornmail on rammus lol doesn't work most of the time but when it works it WORKS
@ohfivohsixohone2 ай бұрын
Yeah honestly seemed like he got some mad value out of all that too, a refresher double black hole then eating lash's ult. Its also good to point out how that only happens late into the game. He would have already had to play like 30min of a much less gimmick intensive game, the real wacky gimmickness that comes in super late games can kinda be draining though. when my Dota games hit the 70 min mark its hard to not feel like the game is just a clown show
@HarveyJackson19672 ай бұрын
MOBA player cope to justify being distressed
@Neonhorn2 ай бұрын
I've been playing the game for about 100 hours, and I already get that feeling of liking to watch rather than play. I do like playing it, but I feel it takes an amount of concentration and thought that some days I just don't have. The MOBA elements of heavy CC and long games can get really grating to me personally, that a bad game can feel like its gone on for too long and burns me out. I have been made to experience the Deadlock Experience multiple times of like 20-30 second CC chains where I may as well just tab out. That being said I love the depth of the movement, the depth of the builds, how everything feels interconnected. It's rare for me to not just latch onto one character and mainly play it, but in this game I've been enjoying multiple of them and I think that's a good thing personally. I feel that a lot of my frustrations with the game personally would be diminished if they were do cut back a lot on the CC. It's felt good to learn the game though, when I started 7's ult felt like the most bullshit thing ever, but now I can deal with it a lot better. Overall I think Deadlock has quite a lot of potential and I hope it goes into a good direction. We're still early in development and I can't wait to see where things go.
@NickGall-xq7bd2 ай бұрын
your brain grows size when you play deadcok
@NickGall-xq7bd2 ай бұрын
3d mobas arent newthere are old ones valve sucks bc doesnt make source 2 public and free
@Dokokoko012 ай бұрын
feel the same its fun to watch but to play its kinda meh, i think they will make it more casual friendly in the long run
@mmksquared2 ай бұрын
I love the sweet genius guy!
@Quadrophenic142 ай бұрын
My 2 cents (from an on-and-off dota fan who has played a little bit of Deadlock so far): I agree with a lot of other commenters (who put it more eloquently than I can) about how this is very much Dota-balance inspired, which I don't necessarily mind. I think that with time/feedback, some of the issues presented can be fixed or at least compromised on. For a specific example about Metal skin, the closest example from Dota would be Ghost Scepter - You enter ghost form for 4 seconds, becoming immune to physical damage, but are unable to attack and 40% more vulnerable to magic damage. I think in this very specific example, if you made Metal Skin have a similar type of trade-off/shorter duration/etc., it might not be so bad. But I think the counter-play and the reacting to choices made before and during the game are some of the aspects I'm really interested in. Again with the Haze example, Metal skin might counter Haze if one hero pops it for that duration, but that doesn't mean she can't sleep the Metal Skinned hero and focus someone else. Also the Hero who buys Metal Skin is devoting an item slot for a defensive item, instead of an item that could serve some other role. I feel like there are ways to play around "counters" and adapt, which will be exciting. I don't think it is going to be as rock-paper-scissors heavy as some might fear. Or at least, it won't just be a sure thing that someone is going to win if they buy X item (nothing exists in a vacuum). As someone who isn't good at shooters (but can enjoy them - Overwatch, TF2-somewhat), I have been enjoying this a lot so far. Meta(s) will undoubtedly form over time, but balance patches and new heroes and items can shake things up and help keep different strategies viable, which is why it is important to keep giving feedback and breaking the game. Thanks for the thoughts/vid, Ster. Hope you continue to enjoy the game
@sk8erbyern2 ай бұрын
same with the ultimate he showed in the video. He says that this ultimate can stun you for 5 seconds but he ignored the fact that this ultimate is a channeling ability so the caster is also being stunned.
@SirKnov-ph4yj2 ай бұрын
Yeah I really enjoyed the video until he kind of fell into the “it’s unfair” hole. The trade offs and builds you can do are what make the game that extra bit of incredible.
@Fluid_McCree2 ай бұрын
this video feels like home, just got an invite, and have the game set to download. love seeing you active again ster, at least on the main channel.
@slartymcguarty29542 ай бұрын
Star_ you are CRAZY for that thumbnail 😭
@thetree19942 ай бұрын
Star is dead, only ster remains
@doghat16192 ай бұрын
I'm sad he changed it, I loved the feet fr fr
@boomstickYT2 ай бұрын
What was it before
@ajaxtaur2 ай бұрын
@@boomstickYT It's currently Warden ( just in case it changes again), but previously it was Vindicta's feet.
@TheLagSpike2 ай бұрын
I think the stuns are a big problem as well, especially with what you are saying with the item counters nullifying some heroes. But I also think the items in the late game are really ridiculous and can help mitigate, Refresher and Curse are two good ones.
@koekelbagstrogoff9662 ай бұрын
Really appreciate the honest review. I can now safely say that this won't be my cup of tea, but I also hope that anyone interested will get the enjoyment they want to get out of it.
@xprocopix2 ай бұрын
i thought that i knew this voice, he's the sidekick from the genius himself, jerma
@DimensionG2 ай бұрын
Seven being airdropped by Ivy was thankfully nerfed, his damage is now halved midair
@ster2 ай бұрын
I think all characters being able to act while being carried is a hard buff
@murph99352 ай бұрын
oh cool, a new Aeon of Strife Styled Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides
@bolicob2 ай бұрын
Phew, i got the good thumbnail
@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s2 ай бұрын
5:15 "But this is a Spider-Man with a gun, from a universe where there are no moral implications!" "I see nothing wrong with this!" "Well, here's a Green Goblin from the universe where everyone wears bullet-proof vests!"
@despicabletaylor2 ай бұрын
I had no idea I was using your build! It just dominates and I love Grey Talon so much. Like a lil Windrunner!! The skillshot is so satisfying
@sirlasagna502 ай бұрын
Great video Ster, it's a good comeback to a style that has been nostalgic lately, and it's heartwarming to see it with a new game like Deadlock The Source 2 engine unfortunately is still not yet open to the public, it is technically still under development even though Valve employees use it. I cannot wait to try it one day.
@AwayWithYouVileBeggar2 ай бұрын
3:26 ENGINEER GAMING!
@linear56952 ай бұрын
I feel like Battleborn did this concept a bit better. It only really died because it came out so close to Overwatch. I hope to see more shooter+moba combos in future, though. fun concept
@SmugLilBugger2 ай бұрын
I honestly believe this game won't be an insane hit, and mostly because the game focuses on the best of both worlds from Shooters and MOBAs, a combination that as far as I remember only Super Monday Night Combat attempted (and failed). I'm not saying the game would deserve having no players, and I'm also not saying it will HAVE no players, but it feels inevitable that it'll be a niche game with a moderate fanbase. You can't force a MOBA fan to enjoy the shooting and you can't force a Shooter fan to give massive hoots about the MOBA aspect of the game - and that's totally okay. Deadlock shouldn't try to be League of Legends, injecting metaphorical needles into your veins to keep the dopamine pumping and keeping you playing; it should simply be a fun game with a niche community.
@DrunkCalamari2 ай бұрын
Having some flashbacks to your Nosgoth video with this one. Glad you’re enjoying Deadlock.
@KengaruZ2 ай бұрын
NEW DEADLOCK ERA OF STER!?!? Seriously though I love seeing you get into new games, especially valve games. Hope you're doing well
@TekharthaMondatta2 ай бұрын
The items were my big question mark and your assessment has me concerned. It's early so hopefully they reel in item power before launch
@YTRingoster2 ай бұрын
As a non-MOBA guy, the item system is really offputting to me, especially seeing how game-changing some of them are. One of the best parts of hero shooters is that you can reason about what your opponent will do *at a glance*, without needing to track what item builds everyone has. If you are familiar with the characters' skills, and have some feel for their cooldowns, you have all the info you need to pick your battles wisely. Items add SO much more information to track, it just feels overwhelming.
@JustinRuta2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@faisaalkamara41812 ай бұрын
it seems like that but for most mobas people can usually figure out what the opponent will build or supposed to build based on their character. after time you’ll think of certain characters and associate them with their respective items
@abhaybhatt42862 ай бұрын
The shooting and art style look great but I hear tower, items, lanes, and my mind devolves into mush
@raprap5432 ай бұрын
As a Moba guy, I have the exact opposite opinion as you. For me, if they didn’t add items, this would just be another hero shooter. And as you’ve said, Items add a whole other mechanic to characters, and as a Moba guy, I like that because that means you can choose to play your character differently everytime, depending on the situation. Not just play the same character with the same abilities for the whole game. I mean look at how bad a Moba with no items did(Hots).
@buyita24slash72 ай бұрын
@@raprap543 but hots was the best MOBA, blizz is shitty at marketing
@Josukegaming2 ай бұрын
A+ analysis and well produced video. Your point of all the extra nonsense that MOBA's bring actively dragging the game down, and I super agree. As much as I love the art style and Valve games, I have no desire to get stunned for 5 seconds or be dead for 60+ seconds when I'm trying to play a mobility focused shooter.
@ascasdasx2 ай бұрын
i hope u continue playing this and upload some shenanigans with jerma like the good old days
@risel562 ай бұрын
Love that Tree of Savior music at the end there.
@manhuntre2 ай бұрын
4:02 'LANDS BETWEEN' ELDEN RING REFERENCE?!!?!? 😱😱😱
@UncleJemima2 ай бұрын
sometime words are just words
@WillingFire2 ай бұрын
@@UncleJemima let him cook
@shoogles_2 ай бұрын
I got Mei walled into the enemy team by my ally McGinnis and saw the next eight years of misery unfold in front of me. I've put it down.
@Scrum_Master_Revolution2 ай бұрын
Playerbase with ptsd from overwatch is actually Deadlocks biggest obstacle to overcome.
@I_am_nobody9992 ай бұрын
I had a similar feeling in a match just now except my ally McGinnis walled a fleeing (and very nearly dead) enemy away from me. So frustrating.
@GarrettTBuse2 ай бұрын
I honestly hope this game gets a TF2 style casual mode. 12v12, drop in or out of a match whenever, no character limits, mid game character switching, and balance things like soul gain , guardians and other moba stuff to accommodate the players. Just let people do some goofy builds and fuck around without worrying too much, but still having objectives.
@RadioactiveBowl2 ай бұрын
That sounds like absolute chaos. Part of me wants it, part of me doesn't. I just don't think 'casual' and 'moba' can coexist.
@purple64192 ай бұрын
@@RadioactiveBowlcould be a hero shooter mode
@creativename612 ай бұрын
Honestly yeah i will say having played it imo 6v6 just dosent work half the time the map fells empty but those teams fights where shit hits the fan is good fun but i feel like they are just so rare that i am left half the time sitting around doing nothing in the early game . 12v12 might be a slight bit to much though i think 8v8 would work a bit better or mabey even 10v10.
@joebagel97152 ай бұрын
It's a Valve game, people will make lots of stupid stuff in it, I've already seen in reddit someone porting a CS2 map into it. With all the dynamic movement that exists in the game now, I cant wait for someone to create jump/surf maps.
@abc123number1america2 ай бұрын
This has to be the worst idea I might have ever read
@daybrake22 ай бұрын
I really like this video and I really like that you're uploading on your main channel again, I will be here no matter what
@WarrenHammer2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video ster, I've been dabbling in the playtest right now and wanted some higher level thoughts.
@fritzman64832 ай бұрын
I am glad even Ster recognizes Soldier TF2 Warden. Infernus is just a W+M1 Pyro
@Steakwolf6672 ай бұрын
for me, this game simply feels 10 years too late
@godlyvex55432 ай бұрын
Paladins has tons of stuns and honestly I don't mind because you can buy stun resistance. It does take away from buying other items, but it feels good being able to just buy the ability to just shrug off stuns.
@imTheMrBEAN2 ай бұрын
Only real OG's know about the feet thumbnail
@JumpMasterJef2 ай бұрын
I've been a fan since the cozy Nuclear Throne streams (still one of my all time favourite games) and i've never known someone to be so consistent in quality, great video. I'm loving Deadlock but i agree with what you're saying about the shooter side of things and my aging hands/brain can't keep up with the kids these days. Still since Vanguard stopped me playing League I have a void to fill.
@birdroll2 ай бұрын
7:26 best part of the video
@Slomsy2 ай бұрын
The stun mechanics sound absolutely awful. But I’m happy it’s not trying to replace TF2. I feel like this is gonna have to compete big time with Smite 2 and other MOBA games.
@NapoleonBorn2Party0072 ай бұрын
11:12 This is why we'll have roles ... We'll need supports to bail us out of lockdowns. It's the same in DOTA
@Peanut61932 ай бұрын
Always good to see a video from you
@skipiripupape19072 ай бұрын
10:07 king raja’s career is about to take off again
@merryexmus2 ай бұрын
The Goat has posted
@sahazra2 ай бұрын
"My concern is that it might turn into a game that is more fun to watch than to play themselves." I could feel myself dissociating just from watching this footage. When 2/3 of the screen isn't being taken up by UI elements, it's just a giant rainbow laser epilepsy hazard.
@davidklemen52642 ай бұрын
Soldier tf2 should canonically just be in the game and the tf2 lore reason is because he has worked alot of side jobs.
@Hobobatman10002 ай бұрын
Died 2021, Born 2024 Welcome back, Stunwatch
@MediaMunkee2 ай бұрын
Aesthetic: don't hate it. Gameplay concept: I'm leery about it. The clip at 5:15: aight ima head out. Really, thanks for as informative a look at this as I could hope for, but it does kinda confirm what I had figured; MOBA elements are my anathema.
@vanilla89562 ай бұрын
I don't understand any of the moba jargon you're saying so I feel like an elementary school teacher hearing about "skibidi rizz" for the first time
@titaniummetroid2 ай бұрын
Babe wake up new Ster
@NoshuHyena2 ай бұрын
Having mega OP techniques, and then balancing them by including hard-counters is a good observation. That's a very DOTA-like design, and something I'm not a fan of. It's along the same lines as "if everyone is overpowered, no one is." But taking it too far leads to goofy, gimmicky gameplay, if I can use your word, and that gets really frustrating. It's a lot easier to see in fighting games, where everyone is buffed to the point of having a touch-of-death combo. Yeah, the game is balanced because every character can do it, but it's sure as heck frustrating and way less fun for it.
@triode35822 ай бұрын
OMIGERD its a ster video! My day is happy :D
@XFanmarX2 ай бұрын
Yeah my biggest issue with Deadlock is all the stuns/movement restricting abilities and the general idea of "Killing is easy but there's no real punishment for dying!" makes it an extremely unsatisfying experience. The game lacks OOMPH. It lacks the satisfying feeling of a kill, like your example, hitting a killing airshot with the Soldier in TF2. This is 90% of deadlock: "I stunlocked and then killed them, how expected." "They stunlocked and then killed me, how expected."
@Jeebussmileyface2 ай бұрын
items have historically been the toughest thing to balance in dota too. The solution there was to add things like items getting longer cool downs/shorter durations the more you use them, and items having a brief cool down if you've been hit. Also! I agree that things feel crazy when someone has a crazy combo or strat going but hopefully it'll be more fun as people being to learn counterplays and how to apply them :)
@lorimouse90862 ай бұрын
As someone who in the last 2 years has put 600 hours in dota 2 and found myself loving to learn it, I am in love with deadlock maybe its because beyond my love of MOBAs I also love shooters but everything about deadlock is just fucking amazing I love the shooting I love the items I love the map I love everything about it and can't wait to see the full valve flavor of the game.
@ACFan1202 ай бұрын
My prediction for this game is that, once it's fully released to the public, it'll be popular for 1-2 months, and then quickly diminish to its small niche player base. I don't see this being the next TF2 for Valve, only because the game feels so intensive to play, and has such a big learning curve at the very start. Like if you aren't using any upgrades at all and are just playing it like a shooter, you're gonna be shit at it, and I guarantee you most people will do exactly that. At least with TF2, you dont ever need extra weapons or anything like that, since your default weapons are the best there is. But with Deadlock, there's both so many possibilities with upgrade combos, but also it feels like there's only one way to optimally play each character so that you aren't shooting sand pebbles at people and aren't being eviscerated. It'll definitely have its fans, but I don't see this appealing to wider audiences in the long run.
@mangonion50852 ай бұрын
Rest in peace to the Vindicta feet thumbnail :(
@StuPdass2 ай бұрын
I really want to play this in the near future. I enjoyed the video btw 👍
@awsomebot12 ай бұрын
It's a good MOBA/ARTS. It's not a class shooter like it seems, though my class shooter friends seem to enjoy it unlike with Dota 2.
@DundletheViking2 ай бұрын
close enough, welcome back super Monday night combat
@hypno56902 ай бұрын
*Gigantic
@CheeseTako2 ай бұрын
I'll never like having hard CC in a shooty game, it feels much worse to get stunned in one of those games than in any other genre for some reason
@sk8erbyern2 ай бұрын
well it's obvious. Movement is your main defense in shooters. Not your armor, not your HP! It is the fact that the enemy will miss their bullets that's keeping you alive. Shooters are balanced around that if they don't have auto aim. As long as you are mobile you will have significant degree of defense. Taking away someone's mobility even for a second makes them like 98% vulnerable. That's not the case in other genres like MOBAs for example. You don't do more damage to stunned people in MOBA games. Landing 82 headshots in a row in Deadlock is kinda insane damage. That's why the supposedly OP ultimate this video showed is not that OP. That ultimate does not simply stun you for 5 whole seconds, the caster is ALSO stunned. That's the trick with channeling abilities. They are balanced around the fact that the caster is incredibly vulnerable themselves by losing their mobility. Pharah or McCree ultimate in OW comes to mind. Very strong ultimates both in terms of damage but they will never be OP.
@coccaa2 ай бұрын
league has that same issue where some champions can be completely countered by 1 item or ability. Characters like trundle for example only deal damage with auto attacks, similar to Haze, and there are characters in the game that can just dodge all auto attacks for a set duration which essentially disables your entire character; same with malzahar, he's like mo and krill in the sense that he can use his R to lock down a carry, which is like his one purpose in the late game, but you can just buy an item that instantly cleanses yourself of the stun and basically malzahar is now useless
@xcloudx01alt2 ай бұрын
I agree with you, it feels like it has good foundations but it's overshadowed by the immense amount of CC in the game, it really strips away the fun