Is Diplomacy STILL BROKEN in Crusader Kings 3?

[@HeyCara]

⭐Looking for an awesome customizable PC for a great price? Use my code CARA at checkout to get a 10% discount when you purchase any Apex Gaming PC today! ➡ tinyurl.com/HeyCaraYT Thanks to Apex PCs for sponsoring this video 😇 - what do y'all think? i certainly didn't expect diplomacy to be this overpowered 💀

[@darkskull9238]

How much money did you spend on the DLC

[@mythos951]

Cara: I was wrong! Diplomacy is busted. Ireland: Casually colonizing England in the back ground.

[@kueapel911]

Ivar the boneless became a conqueror in one of my game playing in persia. By the time I reach byzantine's border, I noticed that byzantine is just anatolia without constantinople. You know what, ivar conquered all of britain, most of europe, half of spain, and the balkans including constantinople, and the year was 920. That's one of the craziest run I've ever had. I became part of his empire after swearing fealty. So he also reached persia.

[@France_Jumpscare]

​@@kueapel911Ivar probably wanted a badass nickname like "the conqueror" and not that stupid nickname that insinuates that he is impotent...

[@seabornebook]

@France_Jumpscare Boneless: fail to produce an heir after 25 marriages

[@Dreigonix]

Power of friendship, baby.

[@Methus3lah]

Best way to get rid of factiond

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

Precisely, why fight silly wars when you can just vassilize everyone around you peacefully?

[@biggybrolunch3809]

Only problem with Diplo, and it's a BIG problem, is that succeeding into a Diplo heir usually doesn't save you from factions because the AI is bad about making friends. Once you get past the initial succession pains, though, you're golden.

[@gerritvalkering1068]

Yeah, I was thinking something similar. The succession is going to be chaos

[@FrankCapybara]

It’s really easy! Just secure the succession to a single heir (with feudal electives), invest the fuck out of the education for that heir as much as possible (force him into a diplomacy education). Save up enough money for multiple gifts before dying, and then once you take over your new character, just make sure he has the gift opinion boosting perk as quickly as possible (usually they will have some other perks already unlocked, but you can just reset the perks, dw about the stress, you can fix that later). After that, once the factions start forming, just spam them with gifts and they will break up immediately. I don't think this would fully work with administrative governments though since factions work a lil different for them.

[@lauraorrico6786]

Really thought you were talking about the DJ for a sec

[@midgematic8659]

@@FrankCapybarai agree with you on thus tactic; I also save up enough before I die so my heir can throw a feast that has the max opinion gain and make the most powerful vassal that hates me the honorary guest (and actually honor them instead of killing them lmfao). You can also do the befriend scheme in the feast to start immediately making friends. Right after you can also do a hunt with the befriend scheme in mind; no need to spend all that much in the hunt since the main focus is to just increase opinion and hopefully befriend another vassal. I noticed that the modifier for how much the vassal liked your past player character does a lot to either help of hinder the transition progress of your next one.

[@biggybrolunch3809]

A good idea. I will say that unless they changed the AI since I last played, opinion doesn't actually discourage folks from joining factions, especially if you aren't their rightful liege and they have rebellious traits. A better use of the money might be to use Ducal Conquest to create titles to shove unruly vassals underneath, use Defensive Negotiations to make a powerful ally, or straight up hire mercenaries and "rearrange" your vassals after a nice war.

[@huntermurphylaw]

This will work out well in the 90s.

[@AC-hj9tv]

The 890s

[@Lorrdernie]

Intrigue in an administrative realm with the servants quarters building might be worth a playthrough, I had a run where I wasnt even bothering to fight my wars because abduct schemes were faster even starting at -200% chance. You also can build yourself a really powerful court through the power of kidnapping

[@Lorrdernie]

To be clear it's the hire agents decision granted by that building change that really kicks it into high gear

[@gerritvalkering1068]

It's the power of friendship, but different

[@skudrinskis]

The Serbian nationalists are gonna go crazy in comments

[@TheBasedTyrant]

When your first character who everyone likes dies Cara: "Okay videos over, I'm sure they all lived happily ever after"

[@TaranAlvein]

The Maleois Family territory, judging by the fact that their ruler's title was "Strategos", suggests to me that one of the Byzantine Empire's top generals revolted and seized a bunch of land for himself.

[@ataberkemir3649]

you should try it on latest start date in italy, there is a 2 county nation there so you can form a duchy almost instantly and then rest just snowballs. With good RNG I think it is possible to form Empire Of Italia in 20 years. Also dissolution factions, they are the bread and butter of high diplomacy characters. Anyone who doesn't like Diplomacy should definitely give it a go.

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

I accidentally formed a cursed border gore empire almost entirely through Diplomacy in my MILF-DILF challenge campaign (members of tge dynasty could only marry people with children.) Started as the kingdom of Alba, vassalized everyone bordering me except most of England, acquired a county in Ireland because one of my step kids (who was already my vassal) inherited it, vassilized the rest of Ireland, conquered a single county in Wales because it's ruler tried to murder my son Ketill (how dare she,) then I vassalized the rest of Wales, then we somehow acquired Iceland - probably because I had 6 kids with Audr the Deepminded, then we somehow got a county in Denmark and vassalized the rest of it, then got Brittany because my stepson (Jarl Haesteinn's son) died and left it to his half-brother (my guy's son) who was already my vassal.

[@RubberToeYT]

The power of friendship is indeed very strong

[@charliehunter9257]

Love this. You know, Cara, I got into your channel way back when you did that (possibly your first?) community multiplayer. I was the chump sitting up in Iceland basically doing nothing. I wish, back then, I'd have known what I could have done with diplomacy. I'd love to join another community MP game. That was so much fun. THanks for being awesome! :)

[@Hadar1991]

0:33 Rash-ka... that bit over the s is there for a reason ;p

[@Gekkotor]

With the right family legacy (the last of the legitimacy path) you are able to get have children grow up to have tier-5 educations without university visits. I have seen it happen once.

[@chrisrudolf9839]

True, but IMHO that perk is not very useful, because you don't really need most of the stuff in the legitimacy path and by the time you get to its end, you probably already have acces to a university and have a family of genius educating genius

[@marioguy23]

been lurking here for 2 months since i bought the game around then..finally subbed from bc this video. well done

[@alexs2195]

Everything on CK3 is broken, every trait is really strong on what they are good, stewardship makes you super rich and stable, intrigue lets you kill everyone, learning makes you a technology center, whats makes you super powerfull, diplomacy allows you to take everything without war... The only one that i feel is not that strong is martial, still really strong for military, but everything makes you have a strong military

[@chriselyr2484]

I agree; every tree is a bit OP if you're actively leaning into it. As for martial? I have to disagree about strategist if you're looking to conquer... Hit and run and Envelopment perks can really turn the tide. X

[@fooooooooooooooo]

Learning does jack sh*t except prolonging your life for a couple of years all other traits are useless.

[@EnforcerErik]

Amazing work! If you create the titles then you'll get more money and vassalize de jure territory much more easily and your vassals will be less likely to revolt. All wins

[@TheBasedTyrant]

I always go, Learning education, then Stewardship, then Diplomacy if I'm creating my own faith, otherwise I go Diplomacy, then Stewardship, then Diplomacy. Intrigue is a literal dump stat.

[@chriselyr2484]

It has its moments; definitely stolen lots of land as a skeezy seducer before now... And who doesn't like fabricating hooks?

[@TheFlyingV]

To think they even nerfed the diplomacy trees too. Used to be able to have a no rebellion empire without ever being stressed just from three perks before they capped gifts and friends

[@pangorofists]

Oh, so now you see how good diplomacy is after all the trash you talked about it

[@HeyCara]

these words im eating sure are tasty

[@chriselyr2484]

​@@HeyCara takes a big person to admit their mistakes ❤

[@pjoterem141]

Ive been playing with -2 domain rule and hooks, therefore intrigue and diplomacy, are so much better

[@penzorphallos3199]

It's is indeed the best game rule if you want an actual feudalism rp game

[@kilanlanc5758]

شكرا على الفيديو الممتع ⚘

[@zosasho8036]

عربي؟؟؟

[@velvet6923]

i still think some parts like making friends and forming aliances should be always available, like you're literally studying for years in order to know how to say hi to someone and give them a small present XD

[@cmitchell6927]

I think I'm missing something important. How did the diplo skill manage to get up to 55? Are there events/training I'm supposed to be doing to raise it? (very entertaining video btw)

[@leserb9228]

As a Serb, this makes me unreasonably happy

[@sluggo2385]

Serbia 🗣🗣🔥🔥

[@chrisrudolf9839]

Diplomacy is even more broken since the introduction of the legitimacy mechanic, because if you push your legitimacy to highest level, you get another notable increase to vassalisation acceptance that alongside the true ruler perk can sometimes be enough to overcome even the -200 of a King if you befriend them and max out all the other factors.

[@winterstar5750]

I'm all for the medieval hippy run. If you gave him spectacles, you could make him a Serbian John Lennon

[@midgematic8659]

I just know the Pope was sweating absolute bullets when the Empire bordering every side of Papacy suddenly converted to Ash’arism 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@saintjiubtheeradicator]

Diplomacy always feels like something I need to go directly into as a tribal ruler so I can have a bigger and better army than every other tribe

[@peehoss6290]

Diplo is actually pretty great as a tribal nation. You get easily vassal neighbouring smaller nations and your units cost prestige meaning you can afford better units

[@drakan4769]

extra note: if you take a diplomatic court you get more acceptance from grandeur level, and if you're not going strict diplo only RP dread also makes people more willing

[@clutch4277]

This was an amazing video to watch especially since im serbian

[@chriselyr2484]

Diplomacy is OP, on the proviso you've laid the groundwork for a diplomatic monarch. If you're in the midst of a lot of troubles and have a monarch who is already halfway down another tree, it seems better to sort of double down on it and prep your heir as a diplomat. In my experience x

[@huntermurphylaw]

I've tried using diplomacy as an adventurer and can't get anything good to happen.

[@renownedhonor]

anything other than martial as an adventurer is to make weird stuff happen

[@1perspective286]

0:22 Hey Cara, please send a screenshot of the character on screen to CreepCast with the caption "Hunter and Isaiah's forbidden love child". Trust me, it'll be a hit with the fandom. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to take credit for your content.

[@MrLocurito]

so, lemme tell a dumb story of how i got dinasty of many crowns, and the sultanate of rum achivement in one diplomatic character, go to 867, play as moldovia, restart or make a custom character until you get diplo 4, make every russian into your vasals, polish too, never make an empire but make kingdoms, have as many kids as possible, when you get your kingdom invasion, go for pontus,THEN you convert to islam, then it's a matter of just grabing the rest of the nedded areas with a holy war and bam, sultanate of rum, then all you gotta do is die and let your realm gravelkind.

[@Thanatos_Khan]

I think it's a lot of fun, especially for new players

[@HaasHungry]

the jokic pic was hilarious haha

[@DevilsAdvocate4k]

Love your vids. Keep it up thank you.

[@sebideee]

the paradox strategy games are pretty new to me, cool videos. i hope to learn something. does this mean that you skilltree video is out of touch`? diplomacy wasnt placed very high

[@mylan4742]

You sure she didn’t place it low because she finds it boring? Many do…

[@bernard832]

Befriending, making alliances, legitimacy, maxing out diplomatic court grandeur, high dread all help.

[@gorantrifunovic4615]

We have the best food in the world! Beleive me! Sarma, čvarci, burek, pečenje, ćevapi, pljeskavice and so on!

[@makaramuss]

Cara sounds like she is having a fever dream trying to understand what she is experiencing entire video

[@molybdaen11]

I just use diplomacy in multiplayer to create a alliance. Other then that there are more important focus trees - like wealth for example.

[@nobodyspecial7895]

I have 100s of hours in Ck3 and I genuinely have no idea how Cara did this xD.

[@Setanta1913]

Ireland just winning in the background.😂😂😂

[@righteousham]

This was ridiculous in the most fun way.

[@ChartreuseDan]

This is a much less depressing sponsor than that app with the trap 3-day "free-trial," congratulations 😁👍

[@WTFisDrifting]

Not the Albanian I expected you to take. Glade you realize diplomacy is awesome

[@poppyTHEdivine]

i see a huge Serbia, i like the vid :D

[@cardiac19]

I had to look up "fopdoodle" don't think I've ever heard that before. "Fopdoodle" is a Victorian-era term that describes aperson who is foolish and often makes poor choices.

[@FlidgetJerome]

I discovered yesterday that this strategy gets even more broken if you combine it with a Pacifist religion and a Holy Legend. Completing a fully upgraded Holy Legend gives you the "Evangelize Pacifism" giving the option to spread your religion to your neighbors as well. No having to do the flipflop of converting yourself.

[@lau_taro0037]

She took it back chat!

[@davidunderwood9728]

I never understood when CK3 KZbin said Diplomacy was bad. Yes you need to invest in it but vasilizing your neighbors is great and saves so much time and hassle.

[@saiyanamek298]

What is that of maileios family?????? Never have I seen something like that!!!

[@gavinchandler838]

Vindication for the diploooo

[@lazykatie42069]

Should've called your empire Yugoslavia

[@skudrinskis]

I think that would be an understatement tho

[@lazykatie42069]

@@skudrinskis lmao true but is Serbia not also an understatement?

[@ChoccyMilk954]

Yugoslavia would mean "south" but the Empire stretches all over the place

[@Infiniti-Beau]

but diplomacy is like a main character stat

[@MENTALTAKEDOWN]

I love how you envelope most the Christian’s that would be willing to become vassals, then immediately convert to Islam to vassalize to the East and south

[@arni6561]

7:33 tough love baby

[@raaaalf]

befriender kings 3

[@psychodoxie6987]

Totaly of topic but why if I play as the byzantine empire does everyone try to claim my throne like bro a distant family memeber who's ancestor I married of to the russians 100 years ago and is now in a different dynasty started a war for the byzantine empire

[@michaelpurdon7032]

Welcome to Rome

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

Everyone wants a piece of the pie

[@demonhunter5520]

Sis I thought you didn't like diplomacy!

[@JustDan718]

I have 1000s of hours in this game, only recently have I learned the incredible monetary gains from taxation tours. Especially if you start 867 and don't have good development, just give away empty holdings to mayors, making the republic vassals, they don't really waste gold on activities and they tend to save it if they can't spend it on buildings. Just go down left hand side of avarice, and pick the republican opinion perk so they like you more. And friends will usually always pay tribute, if they can afford it.

[@donzapatero4808]

Girl you played vassel kings

[@fenixdown22]

Greetings, my charming liege ;)

[@PerfectAlibi1]

Stewardship and Learning are better in the long term.

[@fooooooooooooooo]

Cara your name (Kara) means something dirty in Serbian.

[@rawittooo]

Bro what

[@prodigy7842]

I have a urn, you want my urn? XD

[@Redheisenberg]

I miss ck2

[@littlecoma320]

try this again but polania... it snowballs so much faster

[@LynarMatal]

diplo game yah

[@spymaster3366]

maybe this is this isnt the best area yup welcome to the balkans where small disputes become extended death wars and eveyone thinks they can rule better than anyone else

[@zuelfish1459]

Average Serbian still wants claims

[@Alessandro_Batistuda]

It is pronounced like Rashka

[@chodiloo]

2:18 That's not baronty of Jesus Christ, if it was it would be "баронија Исуса Христа". Let's say it's pronounced pri-ye-polye.

[@Ubdnnbfgb]

Please play rise of nations on roblox

[@TheKorbi]

You could be a VTuber

[@__---__----__---__]

Mad respect for transparently referencing other creators' content on the same topic. 🫡

[@ChaoticArcane]

I got to the point where every campaign of CK3 I play, I eventually start all my kids with a Diplomacy education and then when I take over, I go down Learning, and I literally never have any internal issues. Plus, the game is so easy that in about two or three generations, my army is too strong to be beat by any external threats. It does get boring not doing a roleplay build of choosing any education outside of Diplomacy, but it literally eliminates 99% of the tediousness of the game (and the fun parts. It’s why I have since switched to primarily EU4 🫢)